when I directed community theater, I would have been thrilled to have performers such as these. As far as all of the vibrato comments concerning the soprano -- let me tell you, she is fine. I would ask her to lift the pallette a little more, as it is slipping down and causing the unusual sound -- but it is still lovely. it's not the Met people ! Get a grip on trying to tear people down...
i think it's just the frequency of the soprano's vibrato that makes it sound off. it's not pitch, it's just a very fast vibrato, which i personally don't prefer, but to each their own.
I beg to differ about the criticisms. For someone who grew up with voice teachers, this group did excellently. The guy has a nice lyric tenor voice and the soprano is wonderful. All I can say is they did a wonderful rendition and have promising voices. Keep up the great work.
when one sings, control is not always a good thing. controlling certain areas that should be left alone can cause tension and may put restrictions on the voice, causing a poor sound and eliminating a free tone. her voice/ vibrato could be a little more focused i suppose, but that isn't really control, it is placement and technique.
and she is not showing off, she is acting! she was cast because the conductor wanted to SHOW OFF (which would show off bernstein's music) her voice anyway.
I agree with some of the comments made before. I sang this song for all-state chorus, so i can agree that the tempo is a bit too fast for this song, especially with all the high notes the woman playing Cunegonde (i probably spelled that wrong) has to sing. Of course, it was a little different for me, because it was a choral arrangement, but I sang "Glitter and be Gay" for my junior year of high school chorus final.
So anyway, I think that she was just having some trouble holding the vibrato. I'm not too big a fan of holding the vibrato for the whole note when it's sustained so long, but that may just be me. I think the intonation was fine, there was a moment (when the orchestra drops out) that sounded a bit jumbled to me, but it was only for about 2 seconds.
overall, I think you all did a really good job. I think there are many people who don't actually sing, or have never sung something this complex that are eager to put in their 2 cents, but don't get everything that is going on (not trying to be offensive to anyone here, i'm just talking in general) but good job & you all sound wonderful. can i ask who you are in this video Edhyde24601, sorry if you mentioned it somewhere and i missed it! and sorry i couldn't fit this all in 1 comment hah
Thank you for your constructive commentary. It is refreshing to read a well-constructed comment for once! I agree that people don't understand the complexity of the song and forget that this is community theatre, not NYC Opera. To answer your question, I am the one who played Candide in this production.
I also have to agree with your comments, though I would take one point with your vibrato commentary. It's a very controversial topic in vocal instruction anyways, so we all have opinions. :). If vibrato is being produced, and not allowed to flow naturally (I am one who believes vibrato is a natural side-effect of well produced tone and technique), then it will stand out, or become to wide. Good to see a commenter on here who isn't completely retarded. :p.
What I don't understand is why everyone seems to associate heavy timbre with "pitch being all over the place." As far as I can hear, the intonation is fine. The real problem at the time for her was "consistancy of vibrato." This is an issue that has presently resolved after hearing her sing more recently. I appreciate constructive critism, and I hate negative comments. I wish people could tell the difference....
I do agree on the most part with Yman. My technique was not very good at that time. I have since learned about the concepts of Legato line and relaxation in singing. I also agree that the tempo is way too fast. I had argued that with the conductor throughout the entire run.
May I also add that I am not the person you hear squelching out those high notes at the end of the song! The version that we did had Candide on a lower part than you hear in the "Scottish Opera" version.
this is bad. they go way too fast. and the guy is trying too hard. he needs to relax a little bit, he is sacrificing tone quality for volume. the womans pitch was all over the place.
Ugh, those sheep. Of course, they represent all that is wrong with Candide - music this glorious can't be just a spoof. But still, they kind of make me want to throttle the director. Singing's great, though.
and the soprano is just a bit show-offy. no love, man, just her trying to show off. Compare this to how they performed it for stephen spielberg at the kennedy center.
Cunegonde has quite a heavy timbre. Was she able to maneuver the Eb's and such throughout the show? I only ask cause I [as Candide] had a Cunegonde once who was completely miscast and I wanted to murder her throughout the entire run!! ;-)
when I directed community theater, I would have been thrilled to have performers such as these. As far as all of the vibrato comments concerning the soprano -- let me tell you, she is fine. I would ask her to lift the pallette a little more, as it is slipping down and causing the unusual sound -- but it is still lovely. it's not the Met people ! Get a grip on trying to tear people down...
dbrel 2 years ago
excellent attempt. thanks for putting this up
kalindoscopy 2 years ago
AMAZING. sound i loved it. alot of people can critize but your not the one doing it. so hush up already
jesussierrra 2 years ago 2
i think it's just the frequency of the soprano's vibrato that makes it sound off. it's not pitch, it's just a very fast vibrato, which i personally don't prefer, but to each their own.
nickles8189 2 years ago
I beg to differ about the criticisms. For someone who grew up with voice teachers, this group did excellently. The guy has a nice lyric tenor voice and the soprano is wonderful. All I can say is they did a wonderful rendition and have promising voices. Keep up the great work.
alexmz123 3 years ago
the sopranos vibrato isn't very controlled. It is going everywhere, she is pretty much showing off, and she is too loud on the top c.
fallenangel272 3 years ago
when one sings, control is not always a good thing. controlling certain areas that should be left alone can cause tension and may put restrictions on the voice, causing a poor sound and eliminating a free tone. her voice/ vibrato could be a little more focused i suppose, but that isn't really control, it is placement and technique.
and she is not showing off, she is acting! she was cast because the conductor wanted to SHOW OFF (which would show off bernstein's music) her voice anyway.
MattQ88 3 years ago
she the soloest she is supposed to be louder than the choir.
jesussierrra 2 years ago 2
I agree with some of the comments made before. I sang this song for all-state chorus, so i can agree that the tempo is a bit too fast for this song, especially with all the high notes the woman playing Cunegonde (i probably spelled that wrong) has to sing. Of course, it was a little different for me, because it was a choral arrangement, but I sang "Glitter and be Gay" for my junior year of high school chorus final.
crzysox17 4 years ago
So anyway, I think that she was just having some trouble holding the vibrato. I'm not too big a fan of holding the vibrato for the whole note when it's sustained so long, but that may just be me. I think the intonation was fine, there was a moment (when the orchestra drops out) that sounded a bit jumbled to me, but it was only for about 2 seconds.
crzysox17 4 years ago
overall, I think you all did a really good job. I think there are many people who don't actually sing, or have never sung something this complex that are eager to put in their 2 cents, but don't get everything that is going on (not trying to be offensive to anyone here, i'm just talking in general) but good job & you all sound wonderful. can i ask who you are in this video Edhyde24601, sorry if you mentioned it somewhere and i missed it! and sorry i couldn't fit this all in 1 comment hah
crzysox17 4 years ago
Thank you for your constructive commentary. It is refreshing to read a well-constructed comment for once! I agree that people don't understand the complexity of the song and forget that this is community theatre, not NYC Opera. To answer your question, I am the one who played Candide in this production.
Edhyde24601 4 years ago
I also have to agree with your comments, though I would take one point with your vibrato commentary. It's a very controversial topic in vocal instruction anyways, so we all have opinions. :). If vibrato is being produced, and not allowed to flow naturally (I am one who believes vibrato is a natural side-effect of well produced tone and technique), then it will stand out, or become to wide. Good to see a commenter on here who isn't completely retarded. :p.
trumpetingbandgeek 3 years ago 2
What I don't understand is why everyone seems to associate heavy timbre with "pitch being all over the place." As far as I can hear, the intonation is fine. The real problem at the time for her was "consistancy of vibrato." This is an issue that has presently resolved after hearing her sing more recently. I appreciate constructive critism, and I hate negative comments. I wish people could tell the difference....
Edhyde24601 4 years ago
I do agree on the most part with Yman. My technique was not very good at that time. I have since learned about the concepts of Legato line and relaxation in singing. I also agree that the tempo is way too fast. I had argued that with the conductor throughout the entire run.
Edhyde24601 4 years ago
May I also add that I am not the person you hear squelching out those high notes at the end of the song! The version that we did had Candide on a lower part than you hear in the "Scottish Opera" version.
Edhyde24601 4 years ago
this is bad. they go way too fast. and the guy is trying too hard. he needs to relax a little bit, he is sacrificing tone quality for volume. the womans pitch was all over the place.
yman4444 4 years ago
the singing was bad. that woman is flat. sorry. hehe
retoricalanswers 4 years ago
no she wasnt what are you talking about??
youyouooxx 4 years ago
Too Fast!
Montparnasse24601 4 years ago
a touch too fast?
theycallmezach 4 years ago
Ugh, those sheep. Of course, they represent all that is wrong with Candide - music this glorious can't be just a spoof. But still, they kind of make me want to throttle the director. Singing's great, though.
franklinshepard 4 years ago
the sheep and the pigs! what the living hell.
and the soprano is just a bit show-offy. no love, man, just her trying to show off. Compare this to how they performed it for stephen spielberg at the kennedy center.
klickenpod 4 years ago
No she was really good. There is a clip of G&BG on my channel as well which show off her high notes.
Edhyde24601 4 years ago
Cunegonde has quite a heavy timbre. Was she able to maneuver the Eb's and such throughout the show? I only ask cause I [as Candide] had a Cunegonde once who was completely miscast and I wanted to murder her throughout the entire run!! ;-)
BlazingRiverBand 4 years ago
But no, we are much bigger in real life. hahaha
Edhyde24601 4 years ago
Though I do you what you mean, the sizing of the actual video seems rather misconscrewed now that I really take a look :-)
Edhyde24601 4 years ago
Oh wow. Is this a little person (is that the appropriate term?) production? Nice.
buddyboy80 4 years ago