i've been there. i stood atop El Mirador. they had dug a tunnel in one of the pyramids to find what might be at its center. a surprise to the archeologists, they found another temple underneath the one they were digging! i stood in the crevice they made between the two temples, and faced a mayan mask 10 feet tall full of color. the mask was a statue/gargoyal hanging off the buried temple.. i can't begin to explain how rad it was and the many book of mormon relations there were. endless!
The description tells that the creation story of the Mayans involved a massive flood. Now, exactly how many societies from around the world include a humongous flood? Oh, that's right. A lot.
In societies where floods were known to be the most dangerous natural disaster and bringer of life, such as the Middle East, it makes sense that many societies would include some sort of flood story.
@Ettoredipugnar No they do not! but many of the Algonquian tribes in the Great Lakes region can be traced back throught mitochondrial DNA to ancient Israel. The Hopewell lived in that region and were entirely wiped out by combining neighbor tribes according to their oral histories. Joseph HIMSELF saught out the Sac and Fox to deliver a history of their forfathers...The Book of Mormon being that history.. according to History of the Church: 4: 401-2
@biggdannyd Also, do you have a source of the Hopewell being "wiped out" by neighboring tribes? Archaeologists generally claim that “The great Hopewell culture thrived for 600 years. Then, around 500 AD., the culture disappeared with no signs of violence.” And that they "dissolved" rather than "collapsed."
Why would they share DNA, Lehi was not a Jew he was from the tribe of Manasseh not Judah. There is no DNA test to accurately tell someone it cousins, sometimes it's even hard to tell if someone is your mother of father.
They are finding a ton of evidence. The church doesn't have to say anything about it, because the book of Mormon speaks for itself, and the HOLY SPIRIT of God guides the flock of the church of Christ.
@LDS4Life71 Hello Friend, wrong! the church is not saying anything because if it was, they would proudly show the writtings, symbols, anything that has to do with the book, but because there's nothing, they won't dare do anything and later be proven wrong.
wrong! There is plenty of evidence and there is irrefutable evidence. The church doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. The Spirit of the LORD guides it, and testifys to those that sincerely pray about the truthfulness of the book of Mormon.
To be honest the burden lies on you to find out for yourself.
Why isn't the LDS church said anything about this finding? why arent they saying we have found a proof that the book of mormon is true? or, if the language written in their rocks connects the book of mormon? why aren't they finding any evidence connecting the book of mormon? why?
The only "proof" that the Church needs is the Holy Ghost that confirms to every member and sincere investigator the truth. Also the Church has more intelligence than to foolishly claim that an archaeological finding "proves" anything. Science collects evidence that people demand is "proof" of there claims.
@ViCe1986 Stenvgevarsel1 is a sour, bitter anti mormon. It's no wonder he will say rediculous things like he is. Dr. Hansen in the video above just happens to be a latter day saint, and he is dilligently working on the truth.
@viCe1986...what makes you think the mayan story of creation is the same as the jewish/christian story. are you familiar with it....it talks about some kind of dragon god creating wooden people. dont just believe everything blindly....think before posting nonsense. seriously
@mobregonjr From the news report: "For decades historians believed the Popol Vuh was tainted by the Catholic views of Spanish conquistadors. Finding this frieze changes everything, because it predates the Spanish arrival by more than a millennium."
@theskepticchristian your right! I dont know how familiar you are with the Giant Pyramid in Cahokia, IL called monks mound but their is a definite connection between the ancient middle east and the americas ;)
@ConvinceTheWorld AMEN!!! And also connections with ...The Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith! REAL ONES like mounds and trenches and hills and walls and "their houses, yea, their cities, and their temples, and their synagogues, and their sanctuaries, and all manner of their buildings"of wood rather than stone/brick. No wonder it's been so hard to find their cities, they all burned to the ground so easily!
A little Meso-American history on names, Mirador is not a mayan word it is a Spanish word. By the time the conquistadors arrived Mayan language and culture was long dead and forgotten. We do not know what the ancient name of any Mayan city was called, all we have is the Spanish names given to them.
If the Mayan adopted Judeo-Christian ideas that pre-date the Catholic Spaniards,that give great evidence of ancient Jewish immigrants to the Meso-Americas.
Such evidence strongly supports the Book of Mormon claims!
@ViCe1986 the Mayans were there over a thousand years prior to the arrival of the Nephites. You know what DOES fit the timeframe of the life of the Nephites? the native American Hopewell.
Only TWO cities were mentioned in the Book of Mormon for the first FOUR HUNDRED YEARS on the Promised Land...
@biggdannyd The Hopewell were a small, peaceful group that dated from around 100 BC to 500 AD. The Mayan are a group of similar indians with MANY sub-groups within itself. Most LDS scholars believe that the Nephites were one of these sub-groups.
@ViCe1986 ACTUALLY mayan is NOT a dead forgotten language. The written form is being looked into and is being remembered. Some mayans in central mexico speak it privately among themselves because spanish is more encouraged. The locals abuse those who don't conform to their language. I have heard from anthropologist at asu west about names ONLY partly being given by the spanish. CERTAINLY NOT ALL.
Ancient Mayan is a dead language, just like ancient Greek and Latin are.
I have no doubt that some form of Mayan has evolved with the natives over time, but it is not ancient Mayan. Just like we can't read or understand Old English even though we speak English, same thing goes for Mayans.
Also even if they could speak ancient mayan, that still doesn't help you decipher there ancient runes which are not known.
Just like with the Egyptian hieroglyphs, Mayan runes cannot be translated unless we find some record written in both Mayan runes and a written language we know (like the Rosetta Stone did for Egyptian hieroglyphs). Without this missing link, we can never find out the Mayan names for many of these cities only the Spanish names given to them.
Only in the same way that some people today can read and speak Latin, it is our best guess and we have no way to ever know if we are pronouncing anything correctly.
The very Pyramid itself proves a connection with Egypt just as plausible as much as your argument says it doesnt. The first page of the book of Mormon says "EGYPTIAN". The book is TRUE! Come unto CHRIST and REPENT for he cometh quickly!
@ConvinceTheWorld Thats true, but maybe its the other way around, maybe this people influence the egyptians. I don't know their is so much mysteries. However, it is almost certain that when Leih came to the americas, his group influence the pre-classic maya, and together became the Classic Maya.
God is the governor of all the laws in the multi-universes. The Big Bang (if it happen) did not come from nothing, it was caused by God somehow. He probably created earth from solar nebula (not magically out of nothing). Probably created animals using natural selection. To me (with respect) atheism is just in the mind, atheist use scientific evidence as an excuse to justify lack of belief. One person can know that God exists by experiencing spiritual experiences.
They are not jumping to conclusions like overzealot creationists. At least Mormons consider the possibility of something being created from something rather than nothing. They don't drag their feet as much as Protestants, Catholics and Muslims do when it comes to Evolutionary Science. non-marxist atheists have an easier time hanging out with Mormon Scholars than Evangelical ones.
@LoneIndividual God is the governor of all the laws in the multi-universes. The Big Bang (if it happen) did not come from nothing, it was caused by God somehow. He probably created earth from solar nebula (not magically out of nothing). Probably created animals using natural selection. To me (with respect) atheism is just in the mind, atheist use scientific evidence as an excuse to justify lack of belief. One person can know that God exists by experiencing spiritual experiences.
There is only one reality. Stop it with the multi-verse crap. God created the Cosmos, which has many aspects and elements to it, but it is all together. Dimensions are merely an issue of depth perception.
ps: I think that God was the first living being. Who is to say that God didn't emerge out of goo and create us right after?
changes everything predates the spanish arrival by more than a millenium.its funny how archiologist are so confident about history but new things continue to be found. he says there are still thousands of pyramids yet to be uncovered
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
The book of Mormon is a "new" religious book. So there would be a lot of lack of evidence for awhile, but slowly and surely, given it time and patients, many things from it will come to light. I am NOT a Mormon, but I am currently reading the book of Mormon and I'm confident they'll find more evidence in support of it.
@Xmetalearth Go to AMERICANTESTAMENTdotBLOGSPOTdotcom
and there are quite a few photos of items and places that show evidences of the book of Mormon. It's down the page on the right hand side are three links of them.
@Xmetalearth Recommend for the most direct and best "evidences" of the Book of Mormon that you get "Lehi in the Wilderness - 81 Evidences" and the DVD's for the same by Potter/Wellington. The first part of the BOM has already been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
@Xmetalearth It's an amazing book, eh? I'm not a Mormon either. If you're thinking of looking into their main church I'd recommend reading the writings of David Whitmer, one of the three witnesses to the book, his 'Address To All Believers In Christ'.
@Xmetalearth or they will do the explaination of WHY their not finding things to reverse support the idea. for instance we aren't finding nephites cause they never lived in this location. SHRUG, SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
Very interesting it's like the Rosetta Stone. But all that can prove is that there was a small possible lost tribe of Israel that came to America. Probably very small. But not a massive civilization. Dig up the Hill Cummorah
@ChildePC El Mirador is not the ancient name, but a Spanish name given to it. We don't know what it was actually called. It dates within Book of Mormon time periods.
@fairldsorgWhat I find most interesting is the Creation story that was found. As mentioned, the Popul Vuh was thought to have been influenced by Christian thought, because of the many Christian concepts in it. It has been called the Mayan Old Testament. Since it was discovered in a pre-Columbian context, it proves that it could not have had any modern Christian influence on it.
@fairldsorg Okay i Checked the wikapedia side of the story. Its amazing that any one would find anything christian in it. I vaguely remember the death an resurrection of the twins heros. But considering that people idealised their hero the way they did their plants in this case corn a resurrection motif should have been obvious.
@ChildePC Google V. Garth Norman - Popol Vuh and the Tree of Life for one aspect. I have read the Popul Vuh and found it to have many Christian stories and teachings. It has things like a creation by a Triune God-Caculhá Huracán, Chipi-Caculhá, and Raxa-Caculhá.Thus let it be done! Let the emptiness be filled! Let the water recede and make a void, let the earth appear and become solid; let it be done. Thus they spoke. Let there be light, let there be dawn in the sky and on the earth!...
@fairldsorgThen the earth was created by them. So it was, in truth, that they created the earth. Earth! They said, and instantly it was made.” The story goes on to tell of the creation of animals, fish, all manner of vegetation, and the creation of “our first mother” and “our first father”. It also implies that the creator wants them to multiply.
@fairldsorg There is also the story of the woman being tempted to eat the fruit of a tree and asking, "Must I die, shall I be lost, if I pick one of this fruit?" (Popol Vuh, p. 119).
The story of a great flood is recounted among the early Americans (Popol Vuh, p. 90).
@fairldsorg“they had, among them, information of the flood and of the end of the world, and called it ‘butic’ , which is the word which means flood of many waters and means [the final] judgment, and so they believe that another ‘butic’ is about to come, which is another flood and judgment, not of water, but of fire, which they say would be the end of the world, in which all the creatures would have no quarrel...” (Popul Vuh pg. 92)
@fairldsorg Sounds to me a striking resemblance of the book of Revelation in the Bible. Also the Hopi Indians have similar prophecies in relation to the book of Revelation as well.
@fairldsorg Their are some native american stories that fit these naratives as well. I wrote a college paper on the bofm both in support and against leaving the reader to make up their own mind. Interestingly, the jahovah witnesses were in support of part of the bofm story.
@fairldsorg Okay, If I past this commentary came through a peer review board. It would be judged as unacceptable. Considering there is a 1000 year marked period of time for the bofm almost every site in mesoamerica would nicely fit into that category. what people lived here and how hebrew were they. You showed a giant stone face in the video. Thats not hebrew. It goes against the torah as an idol So It would be lamanitish. there was no explaination of their creation story. So I cant tell.
Motherhood complexities: "Motherhood is a marriage of love and grief." And the post "On Turning Eight," in its interweaving of two distinct but ultimately connected narratives, beautifully illustrates it. It was hard to read, but ultimately uplifting to do so.
75% of the items mentioned in the book of Mormon are present in ancient Meso America. Only 3% of the pyramids have been excavated in Guatemala. They've found baptismal pools with fantastic murals of the Popol Vuh. Dating back before the time of Christ.
...they were numbered among the people of the church of Christ; and their names were taken, that they might be remembered and nourished by the good word of God,...to keep them continually watchful unto prayer, relying alone upon the merits of Christ, who was the author and the finisher of their faith.
@LDSapologist71 I found no evidence there, I found random blogs and restaurant reviews. If you are going to claim that this is a Mormon temple, then you are going to have to provide evidence, or else there is no point in making the claim, it's dishonest.
there is linguistic, cultural, and other evidences that link the Maya to the book of mormon. The most common Mayan hieroglyphic reads "IT CAME TO PASS" which only happens to be very common in the book of mormon. this is ONE example of MANY!
The book of Mormon is true, and you had better read it, because the world will be judged by the testimony it gives.
@LDSapologist71 Really? That is the one thing you present as "evidence"? You may wish to consider changing your name. And just because you say the BOM is true, does not make it true. I really hope that as an apologist you understand that difference between making a claim and defending a claim. And look at your arrogance, I "better" read it huh? Shut your arrogant and presumptions mouth. I have already read it, and the Bible too, as well as the D&C, none of them reveal a morally supreme being.
@LDSapologist71 What does Quetzacoatl have to do with your claim that the temple discovered is a Mormon temple? Do you think if you just spit out names it some how makes you credible? And here you are again, making claims, but failing to defend the claims. You REALLY need to look up the term apologist as well as "evidence". You still have shown no evidence whatsoever. You can't be an apologist with just claims. Any moron can make claims, for example "wood is divine, it's true".
@LDS4Life71 Lol, nice turn around...But, could you private message me some of Shawn's lies? I would genuinely like to see how blatant they are. Thanks
@php12345 75% of the items mentioned in the book of Mormon are present in ancient Meso America. Only 3% of the pyramids have been excavated in Guatemala. They've found baptismal pools with fantastic murals of the Popol Vuh. Dating back before the time of Christ
@php12345 75% of the items mentioned in the book of Mormon have been found and verified by FAIRLDSdotORG with the help of LDS and non LDS archaeology in Guatemala.
Not a Mormon temple a Hebrew temple, built by the Nephites or Lamanites. The people of the Book of Mormon, after the designs of the Egyptians. Another interesting tid-bit is that Lehi was a merchant by trade, he spent a lot of time traveling between Israel and Egypt, so he had a fair if not indepth knowledge of Egyptian architecture and history.
Helps explain how Egyptian style pyramids wind up in Central America!
Maybe the odd coincidence that Mayans ancestors held Jewish/Christian beliefs about the creation of Earth almost 1,000 years before secular history records Christians or Jews in the New World.
Now the Book of Mormon claims that Hebrews have been in the New World since around 600BC.
Seems like that would be a excellent explanation how Hebrew beliefs ended up in Mayan culture.
Also it is remarkable how similar the Egyptian pyramids are to the Mayan pyramids! How did that work
haha Joseph smith never read spaldings book, and the idea that sydney rigdeon read it is even more absurd. And it wouldn't of made any difference because joseph smith never met sydney til the book of mormon was already published..soo try to find something else to discredit the BoM.
@turkishsilver101 You also shouldn't make such claims. Sidney Rigdon did work at the publishing company where the Manuscript Found was. So to say he didn't read is 10x worse then me saying he did. (Which I won't)
"Maya glyphs were used in the same six ways as those in Egyptian writing." (A Comparison of Maya and Egyptian Heiroglyphs, Katunob 11, August 1979, pg. 1-8.)(46)
When the New Orleans 1st Ward recently acquired its third set of full-time missionaries, they were assigned to work in the Chalmette area. Bishop Seamons conveys optimism when speaking about those increased missionary efforts in Chalmette and prognosticates that Chalmette could well have its own Church unit again.
It is found in the Popul Vuh, which has been published for years now. It was thought to have been a post-Columbian production because it had many similarities with the Christian creation. However, there are also many differences between the two. I'll send you a link that briefly discusses the Popul Vuh
@robbiehammie That would be because the "anti-brigade" are often silenced through moderation because most Mormons do not embrace honest and open debate but rather, they treat YT as a one way soap box, they are eager to be heard, not so willing to hear. Watch, and see if my posts don't disappear soon, or if I fail to reply to a followup after being banned for daring to appose the Mormon view.
@LDSapologist71 So, because a word (arguably) can be translated to match a word or phrase in the BOM, you conclude that the source of the word before it is transliterated is the source of the BOM. "Oh Oh I have no FACTS that make the BoM plausible." Are you being sarcastic here, what does your god say about sarcasm? BTW origins of the BOM are not necessarily going to make it plausible. Plausibility would be based on the accuracy of the contents. You have given me something to work with though.
the Mayan temple in Chicha Itza has a serpent that goes down it every solstice, and it is symbolic of the brazen serpent Moses thru down in front of Pharoah. The Mayans weren't gentiles, but part of the house of Israel. They practiced circumcision on their men, baptism by immersion as Christ taught, and understood the ideas of Resurrection long before the Catholics ever even showed up, proving the Catholics are just counterfeit.
"Lehi" or even the name of "Jesus Christ" somewhere, they wont' believe it. They'd say that it was a "mormon archeologist..." or "We cant trust it.." or "The devil had something to do with it!" Archeology will never produce enough evidence for faith's sake.
But behold, when the time cometh that they shall dwindle in unbelief, after they have received so great blessings from the hand of the Lord—having a knowledge of the creation of the earth, and all men, knowing the great and marvelous works of the Lord from the creation of the world; ... 2 Nephi 1: Verse 10
This is just the beginning, no doubt. It is interesting to me that this is coming to light just 3 yrs before the Mayan calendar is to end. Wouldn't it be something if absolute proof of the Book of Mormon were to come out by then! That would be earth shaking enough without the cataclysmic events portrayed in the recent movies. Even so, there would still be some who would refuse to believe.
some indian legends feel that it will be a day of a great awakening.
It is prophesied that the faithful will become even more faithful and at some point, the gentiles will reject god's messengers and all missionaries will be pulled from the Gentile nations and focus their attention on the garden now in bloom, the faithful and wonderful saints and people of the South American countries, where these great Book of Mormon civilizations once lived. The sooner, the better I should say!
@ GospelTruth777 That's not what the video is called. Its called Mayan Temples of the Book of Mormon... or as the book of Mormon describes with a certain amount of description:
Jarom 1:8 And we multiplied exceedingly, & spread upon the face of the land, & became exceedingly rich in gold, & in silver, & in precious things, & in fine workmanship of wood, in buildings, and in machinery, & also in iron and copper, & brass and steel, making all manner of tools of every kind to till the ground,
Ese es un video bien especial para los miembros de la Iglesia Sud y fortalece el Testimonio a los cuales ha tenido fe en el Libro De Mormon. Ya sale a la luz evidencials sobre su veracidad!
Correction the video title says "Mayan Temples and the Book of Mormon" not Mormon Temples. It is an amazing news story and does correlate with civilizations mentioned specifically in the Book of Mormon so sure just as interesting as any site mentioned in the bible which runs parallel to its writings, there is so much more we have yet to discover very exciting hopefully it won't be destroyed by local greed and/or the elements.
No, but it does show that Christian principles were being taught in Mesoamerica at the same time period as The Book of Mormon. And yes, it is possible for a N. American setting, but evidence points more to a Central American setting. A North American setting is gaining popularity right now, but a lot of it is founded on mis-information by the ones who writing books and holding firesides. It's not to say that at least part of it happened in N. America, but a lot of the "evidence" is not correct
I think you are right from what I understand that Central America seems to be more of what is mentioned in the Book of Mormon however, I think it is safe to say considering the time period, civilizations and events that North America was well-included in the events as well especially considering the records were found in the eastern US.
It is not iron clad proof because not all people living in this area belonged to a Judeo-Christian church such as the people who recorded their history to us in the Book of Mormon. Tell tales of a 300 BC Judeo-Christian belief is more than enough to strengthen an already strong testimony for those who God has already born witness to as a true record. These Christian stories were destroyed once before by early catholic settlers perceiving it was a satanic form of Christianity.
That may also be true. America is a "Big Ass" place and we learn that the final remnants of the Nephites were driven out of their lands and may have migrated very far from "the land of nephi"
Although it doesn't definitively support our claims of the Book of Mormon but it does strengthen the words written about the history of one group of people who lived there as described in the Book of Mormon, and the validation of the Popul Vuh. 300 B.C. a people DID dwell there who could have influenced this civilization with biblical ties.
It's definitely food for thought.
I will be following this story closely and be updating my blog as FairLDS adds more videos to its support.
It is always saddening to me how many people want "proof" and "evidence" to believe in the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, as if Jesus taught his disciples to rely on archeology to gain faith.
Yet, even when such remarkable discoveries such as this happen, the inherent pride of the nay-sayers will likely still keep them from admitting they were wrong.
As time goes on, no doubt more discoveries will continue to appear that relate directly to and confirm the veracity of Mormonism.
Evidence doesn't hurt, though in my experience the proof is there for those who want to look. Take a look at the work of Jack West. Its quite impressive. BUt I think proof can help affirm faith. But in the end faith should be the foundation of your beliefs.
I was just about to make that comment.. However, there are people that have seen, yet, still disbelieve as you said... And that will never change. But we do know that ALL will hear of the fullness of the gospel in its purity and they will have the decision to accept it or reject. It's a sad thing to think about but without that freedom of choice, that free agence, we would be in line with Satan's plan.
Who knows. If this people were established in 300 B.C. around the time the Book of Jarom was written, it may not have included a "temple ceremony" as we now have. This may have came later closer to 33 A.D. when Christ came. One would have to view a "newer" building created closer to 40-50 AD to see if it was an actual temple. The 12 disciples did possess the "sealing power" just as Peter did in the New Testament.
Triadic temples such as La Danta are interesting to compare to the temple described in Ezekiel 42 and around there, The Triadic temples seem a better match than what reconstructions of Herods temple are, and may explain what all the structures are for; especially the: "gallery against gallery in three stories." And the gates etc. One would expect Nephi and other Prophets to have had some revelation associated with building temples, and they should have performed the same functions as Ezekiels.
Also associated with the Triadic temples is writings upon the walls, by the gates and stairways to upper chambers. It would be interesting if the applying of 'masks' began in the same era as the BofM records God writing upon the wall of a temple and it being interpreted by Aminadi. I would think it highly likely that the writing would then be applied to every temple by the priests?
i've been there. i stood atop El Mirador. they had dug a tunnel in one of the pyramids to find what might be at its center. a surprise to the archeologists, they found another temple underneath the one they were digging! i stood in the crevice they made between the two temples, and faced a mayan mask 10 feet tall full of color. the mask was a statue/gargoyal hanging off the buried temple.. i can't begin to explain how rad it was and the many book of mormon relations there were. endless!
glycoboy 3 months ago
@glycoboy I cannot tell you how jealous I am...
fairldsorg 3 months ago
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kjvjay 5 months ago
em........what does the book of mormon have to do with this video?
thorkyll 6 months ago 3
The description tells that the creation story of the Mayans involved a massive flood. Now, exactly how many societies from around the world include a humongous flood? Oh, that's right. A lot.
In societies where floods were known to be the most dangerous natural disaster and bringer of life, such as the Middle East, it makes sense that many societies would include some sort of flood story.
QBRebel16 6 months ago
@biggdannyd not to sound like a jerk... I couldn't get it to post so I wrote it out like that
biggdannyd 6 months ago
Do the dna tests do the Mayans ,and Incas. share dna with modern day semetic isralies. ?
Ettoredipugnar 7 months ago
@Ettoredipugnar dna is not a good test, because there are too many fallacies with it.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@Ettoredipugnar No they do not! but many of the Algonquian tribes in the Great Lakes region can be traced back throught mitochondrial DNA to ancient Israel. The Hopewell lived in that region and were entirely wiped out by combining neighbor tribes according to their oral histories. Joseph HIMSELF saught out the Sac and Fox to deliver a history of their forfathers...The Book of Mormon being that history.. according to History of the Church: 4: 401-2
biggdannyd 6 months ago
@biggdannyd Also, do you have a source of the Hopewell being "wiped out" by neighboring tribes? Archaeologists generally claim that “The great Hopewell culture thrived for 600 years. Then, around 500 AD., the culture disappeared with no signs of violence.” And that they "dissolved" rather than "collapsed."
fairldsorg 6 months ago
@Ettoredipugnar
Why would they share DNA, Lehi was not a Jew he was from the tribe of Manasseh not Judah. There is no DNA test to accurately tell someone it cousins, sometimes it's even hard to tell if someone is your mother of father.
ViCe1986 6 months ago
They are finding a ton of evidence. The church doesn't have to say anything about it, because the book of Mormon speaks for itself, and the HOLY SPIRIT of God guides the flock of the church of Christ.
LDS4Life71 8 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Hello Friend, wrong! the church is not saying anything because if it was, they would proudly show the writtings, symbols, anything that has to do with the book, but because there's nothing, they won't dare do anything and later be proven wrong.
pinkflare303 8 months ago
@pinkflare303 americantestament.blogspot.com
wrong! There is plenty of evidence and there is irrefutable evidence. The church doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. The Spirit of the LORD guides it, and testifys to those that sincerely pray about the truthfulness of the book of Mormon.
To be honest the burden lies on you to find out for yourself.
LDS4Life71 8 months ago
@pinkflare303 see the video Hard evidence for the book of Mormon. It is irrefutable.
LDS4Life71 8 months ago
Why isn't the LDS church said anything about this finding? why arent they saying we have found a proof that the book of mormon is true? or, if the language written in their rocks connects the book of mormon? why aren't they finding any evidence connecting the book of mormon? why?
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan
The only "proof" that the Church needs is the Holy Ghost that confirms to every member and sincere investigator the truth. Also the Church has more intelligence than to foolishly claim that an archaeological finding "proves" anything. Science collects evidence that people demand is "proof" of there claims.
ViCe1986 6 months ago
@ViCe1986 Stenvgevarsel1 is a sour, bitter anti mormon. It's no wonder he will say rediculous things like he is. Dr. Hansen in the video above just happens to be a latter day saint, and he is dilligently working on the truth.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
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TubeNumber1USA 8 months ago
@viCe1986...what makes you think the mayan story of creation is the same as the jewish/christian story. are you familiar with it....it talks about some kind of dragon god creating wooden people. dont just believe everything blindly....think before posting nonsense. seriously
mobregonjr 9 months ago 2
@mobregonjr Where does it teach that? I have yet to hear of something so.
LDS4Life71 9 months ago
@mobregonjr From the news report: "For decades historians believed the Popol Vuh was tainted by the Catholic views of Spanish conquistadors. Finding this frieze changes everything, because it predates the Spanish arrival by more than a millennium."
bmw311 5 months ago 4
@sethbockholt what are you talking about? you dont even know what your saying. stop copy pasting everything you hear and some real study.
ricsta001 9 months ago
@theskepticchristian your right! I dont know how familiar you are with the Giant Pyramid in Cahokia, IL called monks mound but their is a definite connection between the ancient middle east and the americas ;)
ConvinceTheWorld 10 months ago 2
@ConvinceTheWorld AMEN!!! And also connections with ...The Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith! REAL ONES like mounds and trenches and hills and walls and "their houses, yea, their cities, and their temples, and their synagogues, and their sanctuaries, and all manner of their buildings"of wood rather than stone/brick. No wonder it's been so hard to find their cities, they all burned to the ground so easily!
biggdannyd 6 months ago
@ChildePC
A little Meso-American history on names, Mirador is not a mayan word it is a Spanish word. By the time the conquistadors arrived Mayan language and culture was long dead and forgotten. We do not know what the ancient name of any Mayan city was called, all we have is the Spanish names given to them.
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ViCe1986 10 months ago
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This is a important find for BoM archeologists for 3 reasons:
1) It fits the time frame of the arrival of the Nephites
2) It fits the story of the arrival of the Nephites (the built cities and temples when they arrived)
3) It supports the idea that the ancestors of the Mayans held a Hebrew concept of the creation of the world, that pre-dates the conquistadors.
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ViCe1986 10 months ago
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If the Mayan adopted Judeo-Christian ideas that pre-date the Catholic Spaniards,that give great evidence of ancient Jewish immigrants to the Meso-Americas.
Such evidence strongly supports the Book of Mormon claims!
ViCe1986 10 months ago
@ViCe1986 the Mayans were there over a thousand years prior to the arrival of the Nephites. You know what DOES fit the timeframe of the life of the Nephites? the native American Hopewell.
Only TWO cities were mentioned in the Book of Mormon for the first FOUR HUNDRED YEARS on the Promised Land...
biggdannyd 6 months ago
@biggdannyd The Hopewell were a small, peaceful group that dated from around 100 BC to 500 AD. The Mayan are a group of similar indians with MANY sub-groups within itself. Most LDS scholars believe that the Nephites were one of these sub-groups.
fairldsorg 6 months ago
@fairldsorg Just like the anti Nephi Lehis' were another sub- group.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@biggdannyd
Yeah too bad that the population, culture, and geography don't fit but instead fit central america along the Guatemala Mexico boarder.
ViCe1986 6 months ago
@ViCe1986 ACTUALLY mayan is NOT a dead forgotten language. The written form is being looked into and is being remembered. Some mayans in central mexico speak it privately among themselves because spanish is more encouraged. The locals abuse those who don't conform to their language. I have heard from anthropologist at asu west about names ONLY partly being given by the spanish. CERTAINLY NOT ALL.
ChildePC 10 months ago
@ChildePC
Ancient Mayan is a dead language, just like ancient Greek and Latin are.
I have no doubt that some form of Mayan has evolved with the natives over time, but it is not ancient Mayan. Just like we can't read or understand Old English even though we speak English, same thing goes for Mayans.
Also even if they could speak ancient mayan, that still doesn't help you decipher there ancient runes which are not known.
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ViCe1986 10 months ago
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Just like with the Egyptian hieroglyphs, Mayan runes cannot be translated unless we find some record written in both Mayan runes and a written language we know (like the Rosetta Stone did for Egyptian hieroglyphs). Without this missing link, we can never find out the Mayan names for many of these cities only the Spanish names given to them.
ViCe1986 10 months ago
@ViCe1986 There are people today that can read, and speak fluent Mayan.
LDS4Life71 9 months ago
@LDS4Life71
Only in the same way that some people today can read and speak Latin, it is our best guess and we have no way to ever know if we are pronouncing anything correctly.
ViCe1986 6 months ago
The very Pyramid itself proves a connection with Egypt just as plausible as much as your argument says it doesnt. The first page of the book of Mormon says "EGYPTIAN". The book is TRUE! Come unto CHRIST and REPENT for he cometh quickly!
ConvinceTheWorld 10 months ago
@ConvinceTheWorld Thats true, but maybe its the other way around, maybe this people influence the egyptians. I don't know their is so much mysteries. However, it is almost certain that when Leih came to the americas, his group influence the pre-classic maya, and together became the Classic Maya.
TheSkepticChristian 10 months ago
@ConvinceTheWorld Well not this people, but I mean earlier native americans.
TheSkepticChristian 10 months ago
God is the governor of all the laws in the multi-universes. The Big Bang (if it happen) did not come from nothing, it was caused by God somehow. He probably created earth from solar nebula (not magically out of nothing). Probably created animals using natural selection. To me (with respect) atheism is just in the mind, atheist use scientific evidence as an excuse to justify lack of belief. One person can know that God exists by experiencing spiritual experiences.
MisioneriesinChile 11 months ago
What is the problem with Jesus visiting the America's? What's the problem with the Mayans believing the creation story?
THIS ONLY HELPS PROVE THE TRUTH OF CHRISTIANITY! Zeitgeist concludes otherwise.
Stop trying to destroy Mormonism and invest your own time into bring others unto Christ FOR THE SAKE OF THEIR SOULS rather than THEIR MONEY.
LoneIndividual 11 months ago
@ChildePC
They are not jumping to conclusions like overzealot creationists. At least Mormons consider the possibility of something being created from something rather than nothing. They don't drag their feet as much as Protestants, Catholics and Muslims do when it comes to Evolutionary Science. non-marxist atheists have an easier time hanging out with Mormon Scholars than Evangelical ones.
LoneIndividual 11 months ago
@LoneIndividual God is the governor of all the laws in the multi-universes. The Big Bang (if it happen) did not come from nothing, it was caused by God somehow. He probably created earth from solar nebula (not magically out of nothing). Probably created animals using natural selection. To me (with respect) atheism is just in the mind, atheist use scientific evidence as an excuse to justify lack of belief. One person can know that God exists by experiencing spiritual experiences.
MisioneriesinChile 11 months ago
@MisioneriesinChile
There is only one reality. Stop it with the multi-verse crap. God created the Cosmos, which has many aspects and elements to it, but it is all together. Dimensions are merely an issue of depth perception.
ps: I think that God was the first living being. Who is to say that God didn't emerge out of goo and create us right after?
LoneIndividual 6 months ago
changes everything predates the spanish arrival by more than a millenium.its funny how archiologist are so confident about history but new things continue to be found. he says there are still thousands of pyramids yet to be uncovered
dasmithsful 1 year ago
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LDS4Life71 1 year ago
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Revelation 22:18:
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
martinh103 1 year ago
wow. do they expect me to believe these lies? how dumb do they think people are
TheWhiteGeorgeBush31 1 year ago
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LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@ChildePC mirador is a spanish name not the original name of the city.
The LDS church doesn't have to comment any discovery in the Mayan cities
cesarcris 1 year ago
The book of Mormon is a "new" religious book. So there would be a lot of lack of evidence for awhile, but slowly and surely, given it time and patients, many things from it will come to light. I am NOT a Mormon, but I am currently reading the book of Mormon and I'm confident they'll find more evidence in support of it.
Xmetalearth 1 year ago
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@Xmetalearth Go to AMERICANTESTAMENTdotBLOGSPOTdotcom
and there are quite a few photos of items and places that show evidences of the book of Mormon. It's down the page on the right hand side are three links of them.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@Xmetalearth Recommend for the most direct and best "evidences" of the Book of Mormon that you get "Lehi in the Wilderness - 81 Evidences" and the DVD's for the same by Potter/Wellington. The first part of the BOM has already been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
leeuniverse 1 year ago
@Xmetalearth It's an amazing book, eh? I'm not a Mormon either. If you're thinking of looking into their main church I'd recommend reading the writings of David Whitmer, one of the three witnesses to the book, his 'Address To All Believers In Christ'.
TheLoonwolf 1 year ago
@Xmetalearth or they will do the explaination of WHY their not finding things to reverse support the idea. for instance we aren't finding nephites cause they never lived in this location. SHRUG, SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
ChildePC 1 year ago
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GovernmentSham912 1 year ago
@GovernmentSham912 We actually have a video of a linguist who discusses just that. Just type in Brian Stubbs linguistics to find it.
fairldsorg 1 year ago
@GovernmentSham912 The Los Lunas decalogue stone. The Hebrew Ten Commandments written in Hebrew.
TheLoonwolf 1 year ago
@TheLoonwolf
I looked into it.
Very interesting it's like the Rosetta Stone. But all that can prove is that there was a small possible lost tribe of Israel that came to America. Probably very small. But not a massive civilization. Dig up the Hill Cummorah
GovernmentSham912 1 year ago
@GovernmentSham912 Or the Ohio Decalogue Stone, also Hebrew, on virtually the opposite side of the country. From the same tiny group?
TheLoonwolf 1 year ago
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@TheLoonwolf
i said a small tribe that traveled
Dig up the Hill Cummorah
GovernmentSham912 1 year ago
awesome thanks for sharing!
osup31 1 year ago
opps edit that
ChildePC 1 year ago
@ChildePC El Mirador is not the ancient name, but a Spanish name given to it. We don't know what it was actually called. It dates within Book of Mormon time periods.
fairldsorg 1 year ago
@fairldsorgWhat I find most interesting is the Creation story that was found. As mentioned, the Popul Vuh was thought to have been influenced by Christian thought, because of the many Christian concepts in it. It has been called the Mayan Old Testament. Since it was discovered in a pre-Columbian context, it proves that it could not have had any modern Christian influence on it.
fairldsorg 1 year ago
@fairldsorg Okay i Checked the wikapedia side of the story. Its amazing that any one would find anything christian in it. I vaguely remember the death an resurrection of the twins heros. But considering that people idealised their hero the way they did their plants in this case corn a resurrection motif should have been obvious.
ChildePC 1 year ago
@ChildePC Google V. Garth Norman - Popol Vuh and the Tree of Life for one aspect. I have read the Popul Vuh and found it to have many Christian stories and teachings. It has things like a creation by a Triune God-Caculhá Huracán, Chipi-Caculhá, and Raxa-Caculhá.Thus let it be done! Let the emptiness be filled! Let the water recede and make a void, let the earth appear and become solid; let it be done. Thus they spoke. Let there be light, let there be dawn in the sky and on the earth!...
fairldsorg 1 year ago
@fairldsorgThen the earth was created by them. So it was, in truth, that they created the earth. Earth! They said, and instantly it was made.” The story goes on to tell of the creation of animals, fish, all manner of vegetation, and the creation of “our first mother” and “our first father”. It also implies that the creator wants them to multiply.
fairldsorg 1 year ago
@fairldsorg There is also the story of the woman being tempted to eat the fruit of a tree and asking, "Must I die, shall I be lost, if I pick one of this fruit?" (Popol Vuh, p. 119).
The story of a great flood is recounted among the early Americans (Popol Vuh, p. 90).
fairldsorg 1 year ago 2
@fairldsorg“they had, among them, information of the flood and of the end of the world, and called it ‘butic’ , which is the word which means flood of many waters and means [the final] judgment, and so they believe that another ‘butic’ is about to come, which is another flood and judgment, not of water, but of fire, which they say would be the end of the world, in which all the creatures would have no quarrel...” (Popul Vuh pg. 92)
fairldsorg 1 year ago 2
@fairldsorg Sounds to me a striking resemblance of the book of Revelation in the Bible. Also the Hopi Indians have similar prophecies in relation to the book of Revelation as well.
Xmetalearth 1 year ago
@fairldsorg Their are some native american stories that fit these naratives as well. I wrote a college paper on the bofm both in support and against leaving the reader to make up their own mind. Interestingly, the jahovah witnesses were in support of part of the bofm story.
ChildePC 1 year ago 2
@fairldsorg Okay, If I past this commentary came through a peer review board. It would be judged as unacceptable. Considering there is a 1000 year marked period of time for the bofm almost every site in mesoamerica would nicely fit into that category. what people lived here and how hebrew were they. You showed a giant stone face in the video. Thats not hebrew. It goes against the torah as an idol So It would be lamanitish. there was no explaination of their creation story. So I cant tell.
ChildePC 1 year ago
how recent was this?
tamasandy 1 year ago
Motherhood complexities: "Motherhood is a marriage of love and grief." And the post "On Turning Eight," in its interweaving of two distinct but ultimately connected narratives, beautifully illustrates it. It was hard to read, but ultimately uplifting to do so.
omiolo 1 year ago
It's amazing that the biggest pyramid in the world has been hidden for so long!
bigbuggie5 1 year ago
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75% of the items mentioned in the book of Mormon are present in ancient Meso America. Only 3% of the pyramids have been excavated in Guatemala. They've found baptismal pools with fantastic murals of the Popol Vuh. Dating back before the time of Christ.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
...they were numbered among the people of the church of Christ; and their names were taken, that they might be remembered and nourished by the good word of God,...to keep them continually watchful unto prayer, relying alone upon the merits of Christ, who was the author and the finisher of their faith.
Moroni 6:4
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
Why are Mormons tagging new discoveries with their name? Seems a desperate act.
whanethewhip 1 year ago
@whanethewhip
excuse me? The book of Mormon came from there!
FAIRLDSdotORG
for the truth
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71 Excuse you for what? You claim that the BoM came from the newly discovered temple? What evidence do you have to show for this claim?
whanethewhip 1 year ago
@whanethewhip
There is allot of evidence linking this.
Jefflindsaydotcom
is very good resource
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71 I found no evidence there, I found random blogs and restaurant reviews. If you are going to claim that this is a Mormon temple, then you are going to have to provide evidence, or else there is no point in making the claim, it's dishonest.
whanethewhip 1 year ago
@whanethewhip
there is linguistic, cultural, and other evidences that link the Maya to the book of mormon. The most common Mayan hieroglyphic reads "IT CAME TO PASS" which only happens to be very common in the book of mormon. this is ONE example of MANY!
The book of Mormon is true, and you had better read it, because the world will be judged by the testimony it gives.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71 Really? That is the one thing you present as "evidence"? You may wish to consider changing your name. And just because you say the BOM is true, does not make it true. I really hope that as an apologist you understand that difference between making a claim and defending a claim. And look at your arrogance, I "better" read it huh? Shut your arrogant and presumptions mouth. I have already read it, and the Bible too, as well as the D&C, none of them reveal a morally supreme being.
whanethewhip 1 year ago
@whanethewhip
Where do you think the legend of Quetzacoatl comes from? The God that taught them?
come on! And yes the Book is true, and yes it reveals a morally supreme being.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71 What does Quetzacoatl have to do with your claim that the temple discovered is a Mormon temple? Do you think if you just spit out names it some how makes you credible? And here you are again, making claims, but failing to defend the claims. You REALLY need to look up the term apologist as well as "evidence". You still have shown no evidence whatsoever. You can't be an apologist with just claims. Any moron can make claims, for example "wood is divine, it's true".
whanethewhip 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71 Maybe if you read some of your fellow apologist friends' work, you wouldn't make stupid claims about Jesus being Quetzalcoatl.
php12345 1 year ago
@php12345
They aren't stupid, maybe you should do alittle research.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 I have, I'm trying to tell you that Mormon apologists refute the theory that Quetzalcoatl is Jesus.
php12345 1 year ago
@php12345
Better than straight up misleading people like Shawn McCraney does.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 Lol, nice turn around...But, could you private message me some of Shawn's lies? I would genuinely like to see how blatant they are. Thanks
php12345 1 year ago
@php12345
Every episode Shawn lies about us. He is master of twistianity.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 Send my some specifics man. I'm serious. I expect at least some.
php12345 1 year ago
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@php12345 There is a LINK that shows pictures to PHYSICAL EVIDENCE at Americantestamentdotblogspotdotcom
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
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@php12345 amercantestament dot blogspot dot com has a link and shows physical evidence.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@php12345 ok I'll send
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 Thanks for the spam message. No thanks. You aren't doing any good by changing subjects left and right.
php12345 1 year ago
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@php12345 75% of the items mentioned in the book of Mormon are present in ancient Meso America. Only 3% of the pyramids have been excavated in Guatemala. They've found baptismal pools with fantastic murals of the Popol Vuh. Dating back before the time of Christ
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@php12345 75% of the items mentioned in the book of Mormon have been found and verified by FAIRLDSdotORG with the help of LDS and non LDS archaeology in Guatemala.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 And the other "25%" can't be found because it didn't exist during that time frame.
php12345 1 year ago
@php12345 you are sure great at drawing your own conclusions.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 You make it quite simple. JK
php12345 1 year ago
@whanethewhip
Not a Mormon temple a Hebrew temple, built by the Nephites or Lamanites. The people of the Book of Mormon, after the designs of the Egyptians. Another interesting tid-bit is that Lehi was a merchant by trade, he spent a lot of time traveling between Israel and Egypt, so he had a fair if not indepth knowledge of Egyptian architecture and history.
Helps explain how Egyptian style pyramids wind up in Central America!
ViCe1986 10 months ago
@whanethewhip
Maybe the odd coincidence that Mayans ancestors held Jewish/Christian beliefs about the creation of Earth almost 1,000 years before secular history records Christians or Jews in the New World.
Now the Book of Mormon claims that Hebrews have been in the New World since around 600BC.
Seems like that would be a excellent explanation how Hebrew beliefs ended up in Mayan culture.
Also it is remarkable how similar the Egyptian pyramids are to the Mayan pyramids! How did that work
ViCe1986 10 months ago
haha Joseph smith never read spaldings book, and the idea that sydney rigdeon read it is even more absurd. And it wouldn't of made any difference because joseph smith never met sydney til the book of mormon was already published..soo try to find something else to discredit the BoM.
turkishsilver101 1 year ago
@turkishsilver101 You also shouldn't make such claims. Sidney Rigdon did work at the publishing company where the Manuscript Found was. So to say he didn't read is 10x worse then me saying he did. (Which I won't)
php12345 1 year ago
That has nothing to do with the book of mormon or should I say "The Spalding Manuscript".
tonydegn 1 year ago
@tonydegn
"It came to pass" The most popular of all Mayan hieroglyphics.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
brilliant~thanks
iamearthbornami 1 year ago
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"Maya glyphs were used in the same six ways as those in Egyptian writing." (A Comparison of Maya and Egyptian Heiroglyphs, Katunob 11, August 1979, pg. 1-8.)(46)
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
When the New Orleans 1st Ward recently acquired its third set of full-time missionaries, they were assigned to work in the Chalmette area. Bishop Seamons conveys optimism when speaking about those increased missionary efforts in Chalmette and prognosticates that Chalmette could well have its own Church unit again.
omiolo 1 year ago
amazing! and the world still doubts it?
MormonGirl131 2 years ago
I don't see anything Jewish looking. I see glyphs that look Chinese and pyramid step built temples. Is this proof?
monitorpotato 2 years ago
Yes, you just need to know what your looking at.
MarkNParker 2 years ago
Very Awesome!!!!!
Sigmanuwife 2 years ago
Hey this is fantastic...is there anywhere we can find what they have actually said in their creation of the world? That would be interesting.
I find it strange that none of the 'anti' brigade are here!!!!!!! (that I can see)
robbiehammie 2 years ago 4
It is found in the Popul Vuh, which has been published for years now. It was thought to have been a post-Columbian production because it had many similarities with the Christian creation. However, there are also many differences between the two. I'll send you a link that briefly discusses the Popul Vuh
fairldsorg 2 years ago 2
@robbiehammie That would be because the "anti-brigade" are often silenced through moderation because most Mormons do not embrace honest and open debate but rather, they treat YT as a one way soap box, they are eager to be heard, not so willing to hear. Watch, and see if my posts don't disappear soon, or if I fail to reply to a followup after being banned for daring to appose the Mormon view.
whanethewhip 1 year ago
@whanethewhip
You can dare all you like. It doesn't change anything.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71 And you can make claims all day, simply stating a claim does not make it true. This simple fact obviously eludes you.
whanethewhip 1 year ago
Ok.
1. Mitla (mayan word) for Desolation.....
Hmmm Desolation is mentioned in the book of Mormon...
2. Pan Cha'lib (Mayan word) for Bountiful
Hmmm Bountiful can also be found in the book of Mormon.
3. The most prominent hieroglyphic in Mayan is the one that reads "AND IT CAME TO PASS"
Oh Oh I have no FACTS that make the BoM plausible.
JEFFLINDSAYdotcom
FAIRLDSdotORG
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71 So, because a word (arguably) can be translated to match a word or phrase in the BOM, you conclude that the source of the word before it is transliterated is the source of the BOM. "Oh Oh I have no FACTS that make the BoM plausible." Are you being sarcastic here, what does your god say about sarcasm? BTW origins of the BOM are not necessarily going to make it plausible. Plausibility would be based on the accuracy of the contents. You have given me something to work with though.
whanethewhip 1 year ago
@whanethewhip
Also there are some videos under my favorites that talk about the evidences.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71 Please show me where these discoveries are.
php12345 1 year ago
@php12345
You could start by going to the website...
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 Any scholarly reports or essays that prove how a snake on the wall mean Adam and Eve story or whatever lol?
php12345 1 year ago
@php12345
the Mayan temple in Chicha Itza has a serpent that goes down it every solstice, and it is symbolic of the brazen serpent Moses thru down in front of Pharoah. The Mayans weren't gentiles, but part of the house of Israel. They practiced circumcision on their men, baptism by immersion as Christ taught, and understood the ideas of Resurrection long before the Catholics ever even showed up, proving the Catholics are just counterfeit.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
This is incredible!
It only strengthens my testimony in the
Book of Mormon...
Even if someone finds the name, "Nephi" or
"Lehi" or even the name of "Jesus Christ" somewhere, they wont' believe it. They'd say that it was a "mormon archeologist..." or "We cant trust it.." or "The devil had something to do with it!" Archeology will never produce enough evidence for faith's sake.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago 3
LOL!
GohModley 2 years ago
Wow, I really wish I had a time machine. First I would travel to Constantinople, then I would go back even further and travel to the Americas.
TirianCreed 2 years ago 3
Bigger than LA!
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
Friar Diego that "taught" the Maya was a LIAR!
The origins of the influences in Mayan culture and Christianity were known long before the Catholic conquistadors showed up!
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
@LDSapologist71 Cool video that's amazing.
casandra391 2 years ago 2
And their are thousands more to be discovered :O. WOW!
TheOptimusprime9 2 years ago 2
Thank you for plugging my blog in regards to the transcription I was able to make.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
Richard Hansen's my DAWG!
brian8793 2 years ago 2
But behold, when the time cometh that they shall dwindle in unbelief, after they have received so great blessings from the hand of the Lord—having a knowledge of the creation of the earth, and all men, knowing the great and marvelous works of the Lord from the creation of the world; ... 2 Nephi 1: Verse 10
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
Thank you all for your support of my comments!
Oh Happy Day! Hugh Nibley would be jumping up and down for Joy in this!
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago 2
This is just the beginning, no doubt. It is interesting to me that this is coming to light just 3 yrs before the Mayan calendar is to end. Wouldn't it be something if absolute proof of the Book of Mormon were to come out by then! That would be earth shaking enough without the cataclysmic events portrayed in the recent movies. Even so, there would still be some who would refuse to believe.
arklyn 2 years ago 13
some indian legends feel that it will be a day of a great awakening.
It is prophesied that the faithful will become even more faithful and at some point, the gentiles will reject god's messengers and all missionaries will be pulled from the Gentile nations and focus their attention on the garden now in bloom, the faithful and wonderful saints and people of the South American countries, where these great Book of Mormon civilizations once lived. The sooner, the better I should say!
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago 3
@ GospelTruth777 That's not what the video is called. Its called Mayan Temples of the Book of Mormon... or as the book of Mormon describes with a certain amount of description:
Jarom 1:8 And we multiplied exceedingly, & spread upon the face of the land, & became exceedingly rich in gold, & in silver, & in precious things, & in fine workmanship of wood, in buildings, and in machinery, & also in iron and copper, & brass and steel, making all manner of tools of every kind to till the ground,
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago 5
read the Popul Vuh creation and then compare tell me if these people accepted the TRINITARIAN version of God of the LDS understanding.
omiolo 2 years ago 5
= or of the LDS understanding.
omiolo 2 years ago 5
Fascinating. Thanks for posting. I just shared with friends and family.
lds9999 2 years ago 5
This is great thank you!
pangeanet 2 years ago 5
Ese es un video bien especial para los miembros de la Iglesia Sud y fortalece el Testimonio a los cuales ha tenido fe en el Libro De Mormon. Ya sale a la luz evidencials sobre su veracidad!
*estoy muy animado!*
TheLdsLifeSpanish 2 years ago 5
It's MAYAN TEMPLES, not mormon temples. Sheesh you guys are ridiculous.
GospelTruth777 2 years ago
Correction the video title says "Mayan Temples and the Book of Mormon" not Mormon Temples. It is an amazing news story and does correlate with civilizations mentioned specifically in the Book of Mormon so sure just as interesting as any site mentioned in the bible which runs parallel to its writings, there is so much more we have yet to discover very exciting hopefully it won't be destroyed by local greed and/or the elements.
pangeanet 2 years ago 7
Interesting discoveries about the time period the creation writings were written. Thanks for posting this.
LDSPrinciples 2 years ago 3
It does not validate Book of Mormon. Recent evidence suggests the possibility of a North American setting for the Book of Mormon.
gsigfolk 2 years ago 3
No, but it does show that Christian principles were being taught in Mesoamerica at the same time period as The Book of Mormon. And yes, it is possible for a N. American setting, but evidence points more to a Central American setting. A North American setting is gaining popularity right now, but a lot of it is founded on mis-information by the ones who writing books and holding firesides. It's not to say that at least part of it happened in N. America, but a lot of the "evidence" is not correct
fairldsorg 2 years ago
I think you are right from what I understand that Central America seems to be more of what is mentioned in the Book of Mormon however, I think it is safe to say considering the time period, civilizations and events that North America was well-included in the events as well especially considering the records were found in the eastern US.
pangeanet 2 years ago 5
It is not iron clad proof because not all people living in this area belonged to a Judeo-Christian church such as the people who recorded their history to us in the Book of Mormon. Tell tales of a 300 BC Judeo-Christian belief is more than enough to strengthen an already strong testimony for those who God has already born witness to as a true record. These Christian stories were destroyed once before by early catholic settlers perceiving it was a satanic form of Christianity.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago 3
That may also be true. America is a "Big Ass" place and we learn that the final remnants of the Nephites were driven out of their lands and may have migrated very far from "the land of nephi"
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago 3
Although it doesn't definitively support our claims of the Book of Mormon but it does strengthen the words written about the history of one group of people who lived there as described in the Book of Mormon, and the validation of the Popul Vuh. 300 B.C. a people DID dwell there who could have influenced this civilization with biblical ties.
It's definitely food for thought.
I will be following this story closely and be updating my blog as FairLDS adds more videos to its support.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
STUPID pride , lets kill it
elderwannabe1and2 2 years ago
if im rich iwanna go there :D
elderwannabe1and2 2 years ago
It is always saddening to me how many people want "proof" and "evidence" to believe in the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, as if Jesus taught his disciples to rely on archeology to gain faith.
Yet, even when such remarkable discoveries such as this happen, the inherent pride of the nay-sayers will likely still keep them from admitting they were wrong.
As time goes on, no doubt more discoveries will continue to appear that relate directly to and confirm the veracity of Mormonism.
DefendingMormonism 2 years ago
Evidence doesn't hurt, though in my experience the proof is there for those who want to look. Take a look at the work of Jack West. Its quite impressive. BUt I think proof can help affirm faith. But in the end faith should be the foundation of your beliefs.
SeraphimTheApologist 2 years ago
Christ did say,
"Blessed are they who have not seen yet still believe." yet many will still NOT believe, just as Laman and Lemuel have proven this.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
I was just about to make that comment.. However, there are people that have seen, yet, still disbelieve as you said... And that will never change. But we do know that ALL will hear of the fullness of the gospel in its purity and they will have the decision to accept it or reject. It's a sad thing to think about but without that freedom of choice, that free agence, we would be in line with Satan's plan.
Nixmix24 2 years ago 2
The preparation that counts will be made by the young men making choices to rise to their great destiny as priesthood servants for God.
omiolo 2 years ago
How close is this creation story to the one in our temples???
Picknroll6 2 years ago 3
read the translations of the Popul Voh yourself and you be the judge.
omiolo 2 years ago
Where would I find that translation?
Picknroll6 2 years ago 2
google
Popul Voh translation
and then read a couple of them.
omiolo 2 years ago
Who knows. If this people were established in 300 B.C. around the time the Book of Jarom was written, it may not have included a "temple ceremony" as we now have. This may have came later closer to 33 A.D. when Christ came. One would have to view a "newer" building created closer to 40-50 AD to see if it was an actual temple. The 12 disciples did possess the "sealing power" just as Peter did in the New Testament.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago 5
Triadic temples such as La Danta are interesting to compare to the temple described in Ezekiel 42 and around there, The Triadic temples seem a better match than what reconstructions of Herods temple are, and may explain what all the structures are for; especially the: "gallery against gallery in three stories." And the gates etc. One would expect Nephi and other Prophets to have had some revelation associated with building temples, and they should have performed the same functions as Ezekiels.
MarkNParker 2 years ago 2
Also associated with the Triadic temples is writings upon the walls, by the gates and stairways to upper chambers. It would be interesting if the applying of 'masks' began in the same era as the BofM records God writing upon the wall of a temple and it being interpreted by Aminadi. I would think it highly likely that the writing would then be applied to every temple by the priests?
MarkNParker 2 years ago 2