Avro Vulcan Bomber - Barrel Roll

[MrMoss2001]

What are the odd's that when xh558 runs out of hours, on the last flight, who ever is piloting that day will roll her? :-D

Please please please please!!!!!!!

[GotecskeXD]

DO A BARELL ROLL

[fyrep0w3r]

Do a barrel roll!

Oh, he actually did!

[Jackaky]

was this from vulcons victors and cuba?

[ToonandBBfan]

The Vulcan was extremely agile for its size.

Amazing plane

[CharleyFarley1040]

B17, your main bomber in European theatre , 1 ton of bombs to our Lancester 2.5 tons ! Game , Set and Match. Plus your much vaunted bombsight, once the more qualified RAF got hold of it, was evaluated and laughed off the planet ! It was deemed to not been much inproved since thw 1920's. Sad. Thats the best you could achieve. As as to your claims of ! putting a bomb in a pickle barrel from 20,000 feet, " Get real !!!'s

[raynkar]

@CharleyFarley1040

Hi Charley. An interesting comment there! When you talk of 'our Lancaster' am I to understand you were in the RAF at that time, and saw actual combat, or perhaps you are in the RAF now, or are you just talking out of your a**e, and have no combat experience at all, but are still still happy to rubbish the efforts of brave men?

Once I had been in combat myself, I learned to value EVERYONES efforts as they all helped :)

Just my own thoughts.

[CharleyFarley1040]

@raynkar 'our' Lancaster, as in British. If you read my post carefully, you will note that at no point do i rubbish any brave efforts, i comment on US claims to have a 'wonder' bombsight. My Father was aircrew in Bomber Command WW2. Can i suggest you read posts twice prior to posting replies. Then you won't get in such a pickle unnecessarily.

[raynkar]

@CharleyFarley1040

Hi, and thanks for the reply. No pickle at all here, just a reference to your use of 'our'. Perhaps if you meant British, then British would have been a better choice of word.

I'm also sure you may well have read the original USAAF (not USAF then, and I noted you never said 'their') claim, and probably understood it in its proper context.It's also possible you are VERY aware that the USAAF had far more accuracy than the RAF as a general rule. You probably also know why.

[raynkar]

@CharleyFarley1040

I think you might get on well with one of my friends.

He talks of how 'we' killed millions of jews.......Now maybe you are happy to be part of that, as it's his choice of word for humanity, but personally I've never killed one, and prefer him to use the correct words, to avoid me getting in a pickle lol

I found your initial 'pickle' comment funny though, and hope you are treating this as light heartedly as I am :)

[CharleyFarley1040]

my penisisdead, enough said, so is your brain, muhahaha

[mypspisdead]

whoever doesnt like this needs to shoot themselves!

[mjeshaw]

I used to live near the end of an RAF runway in the 60s. These things came over our roof on full take off power at low level, rattling every window and object in the house, - ABSOLUTELY DEAFENING - and scaring the hell out of me and my baby sister. Concorde was much worse though. especially with reheat on. I went past Heathrow on a LOUD motorbike in 1985, just as it was commencing take off. Couldn't hear the bike at all, or even feel the vibrations from the engine above those four Olympuses.

[speedy231278]

" he saw the Vulcan take off,go up 50 feet, then turn its afterburners on and go vertical"

What afterburners???

[mypspisdead]

@speedy231278 he just broke my bullshit detector :(

[mypspisdead]

@CharleyFarley1040 hahaha, but kid. you just broke my bullshit detector

[CharleyFarley1040]

The USAF used to hold airshows at Mildenhall.As they knew my Father,he used to always get VIP tickets.I remember in 1980-82 'ish standing next to a four star Airforce General in the Officer's Mess. When he saw the Vulcan take off,go up 50 feet, then turn its afterburners on and go vertical to the runway, his words were ' Holy Crap ' i turned and laughed, he asked me ' what was that sucker ?' I said, ' Oh, thats one of our retired airplanes, you know, the one that bombed the Falklands'.

[digireedoo]

@CharleyFarley1040 I'd give anything to see the performance of a Vulcan that had afterburners fitted! The Olympus engines in the Vulcan were not fitted with reheat, that was just raw RR power!

[jers59]

@CharleyFarley1040 sounds like you were smoking lot of pot in 1980-82 , in 80 and 82 the vulcan was not retired it was still in service they should have shown 3 B52,s bomb load 70.000LBS each carpet bombing target area against 3 vulcans bomb load 21.000LBS each same as WW2 B29

[CharleyFarley1040]

Jers,your father wasn't the RAF Liason Officer who advised the US ArmyAirCorps when they started daylight bombing operations over Germany.He spent 3 mnths with you americans explaining how good the Luftwaffe fighter pilots were.On one mission,your commanders were stunned when only 6 B-17's came back from 36.And as to bomb load,our Lancasters carried 2.5 times as many bombs with half the crew.BTW, my Father flew with Guy Gibson VC MC DFC, the most highly decorated Allied Pilot of the war

[jers59]

@CharleyFarley1040 sounds like you are in the pub drinking to much wood pecker, the US flew precision day light bombing missions unlike the RAF with there poorly protected halifaxs and lancasters and B29 carrried the largest bomb load in the war flew the longest and most dangerous missions over the vast pacific and just 2 B29,s ended the war

[mypspisdead]

@CharleyFarley1040 and i saw a cessna 172 the other day with after burners

[603mac]

I bet Falk had his suit on!!!!!!!!!!

[wnb65]

Jers59, you talk like an idiot. First 1956 to 84 is not 18 years, fool. Second, B-52's are not flown as bombers anymore, they carry cruise missiles, thew RAF does not have a requirement for a large cruise missile carrier - hence no Vulcans. Third - the Vulcan did not have metal fatigue issues, you must be thinking of something else, if indeed you are thinking.

[Saighton]

@wnb65 Cruise missiles was it, in Tora Bora? Methinks not, mate. But maybe they used a non-B52 type to bomb Bin Laden's hideout? Look it up...

[digireedoo]

@wnb65 The Valiant was retired early due to a switch from high to low level operations which induced premature wing fatigue. Sadly, jerk59 never lets a massive misunderstanding and total lack of knowledge get in the way of a good rant about his good ol' boys. He'll be telling us they won Vietnam next......

[jers59]

@wnb65 wrong again you are daft, B52,s are still flown as bombers the B52 and B1 dropped over 70% of the bombs over afghanistan, the B52 has flown the longest bombing mission in history carried the largest bomb load in history,

[mypspisdead]

@jers59 actually the vulcan carried out the longest bombing run in history :)

[jers59]

@mypspisdead Wrong B52 have flown 35 hour bombing missions, B2 have flown 40 hour bombing missions just last week B2 flew 25 hour bombing missions, Buy a new book

[tonydmakintea]

Text VULCAN to 82055 to donate and keep the Vulcan in the air for next year! Texts cost £3.

[LordFlasheart575]

B52s fall out the sky if rolled past 45 degrees because theyre a hunk of shit.

[jers59]

@LordFlasheart575 B52 is greatest bomber ever could carry 70.000LBS of bombs the vulcan lowly 21.000LBS same as WW2 B29LOL, B52,s are still in service because they were overbuilt the vulcan retired after only 18 years due to corrosion problems in wings. B52 records longest bombing mission 35 hours, only jet bomber with air to air kill only jet bomber capable of carpet bombing

[jers59]

@LordFlasheart575 thats why the only vulcans left are in museums and B52 aviations greatest bomber has been flying since 1952 and will be to 2045, for total of 93 years, vulcan service life measly 18 years. B52 put the fear of god in soviets in cold war flying operation chrome dome missions B52 was faster could fly longer and longer distance and carry 50.000LBs of more bombs, missiles then vulcan

[digireedoo]

@jers59 bloody hell, jerk59 is still around making an idiot of himself!

[jers59]

@digireedoo how is life on the dole? what are you going to do when conservatives cut your benefits? UK where you can be arrested for talking negative about muslims terrorist, where they give paki muslim terrorist 300.000 pound house for him and his inbred family to live, what is VAT now? 20% maybe, MOT fee?

[edwardsweeney24]

@LordFlasheart575 that is a great comment mate :)

[SAHBfan]

I saw Vulcans displayed at airshows years ago & they used to chuck them around like acrobatic biplanes;-)

There are 2 reasons why you don't see this now. Firstly, with old aircraft want to be very gentle on the airframe to preserve it, but secondly the rules were much more lax in the 1970s. There a helluva lot of red tape governing airshows, now. Many manouvers that were once big crowd pleasers are no longer allowed. Very high speed passes, sonic booms & flying over the crowds are all out.

[qwertdr]

No, my comment on this page explained all - it was regarding the Vulcan display flight demonstrated from 1984 - 1992.

Airframe fatigue is not a major problem. They would operate it's old air show if more engines were available. It's all about preserving engine cycles.

[drlargepants]

I'd love to hear a sonic boom from an aircraft :(

[mypspisdead]

@SAHBfan i blame communism O.o

[bengacris]

do a barrel roll

[johnp94]

if anyone sees XH558's take off at fairford on sunday you know it can still be done

[AVABlinkDrWho10]

how come it doesnt do it now? is it too old? or the pilots just cant be bothered?

[qwertdr]

It's a bit obvious really, even you said one of the factors. That was in a time, when it was new and the authorities weren't so strict. As there is only one flying, they must conserve the fatigue of both the airframe and engines to keep it flying for as long as possible. If moves like this were proposed now, insurance would go through the roof.

[AVABlinkDrWho10]

oh!! i got the impression this planes was heavy and hard to handle, when infact its quite agile? well at least back in the day?

[qwertdr]

They could start up now and do it if they wanted to.

[drlargepants]

Too old, and the engines need preserving.

[fatboy69s]

jez. never seen that before. just speechless. fantastic.

[FLINTY876]

it just proves how much thew vulcan was like a fighter!!!

[kickbuttpilot777]

Sweet! I thought the Bone was the only heavy that could pull off that kind of maneuver.

[snetterton88]

Not seen this before,just one word,awesome!!!

Thanks for posting.

[MegaBrits]

Britain is basically a huge hard on. I feel better now I have said that - LOL.

[tkey]

Falk rolled the Vulcan on returning to Avro's Woodford base after a previous Farnborough appearance - that time he did it so low and so loud that he smashed all the skylight windows in the assembly building!

Thats what was being discussed in this short clip.

[slipersox]

woooo go woodford

[Woodyf650]

@tkey nothing to do with what you commented, but was that vulcan crashing or was it just very manouverable that day because i am not sure if they could do rolls:-)

[tkey]

@Woodyf650 ... this from wikipedia.

Avro test pilot, Wing Commander (retired) Roly Falk, demonstrated the aircraft's high performance in the second production Vulcan, XA890, by performing an upward barrel-roll immediately after takeoff at the 1955 SBAC Farnborough Airshow.[3] The roll was performed while gently climbing so that positive g was maintained and stresses reduced.

[tkey]

This clip was taken as she was returning from a display at Farnborough and Falk once again performed a roll over Woodford airfield (smashing all the windows in the assembly building in the process!)

[george385]

@Woodyf650 The Vulcan can easily do rolls - and figures of eight with ease. Thats what they were designed for - to out manoeuvre other threats at altitude. Nothing at the time could match it.

[mypspisdead]

@george385 and the design is still ahead of its time :D

[copewood333]

Yes - it was Roly Falk!

[lincolnlad88]

who was flying this, anyone know ?

[vorn29]

Sadly wouldn`t be allowed in any aircraft of that size now due to regs. The old hunter sonic boom over Farnborough in the 50`s would have been something to savour too.

[stretchmark8]

now let's see a B52 do that! don't think so somehow.

[peepeevagi]

It's been done in a B52.

But it's nowhere near as gracefull or a pleasure to watch.

[SRTST51]

@stretchmark8 B52 certainly can't do that. But it does carry a hell of alot more bombs than the Vulcan, which it was designed to do, drop bombs not perform aerobatics. The Vulcan certainly is more pleasing to look at though.

[mypspisdead]

@stretchmark8 last time i saw a B52 do something like that; it crashed into a building in 1990 something

[rockinroy555]

Farnborough surely...

[tkey]

no woodford,cheshire . honest

[paddy7891]

just been watching a video of the vulcan, it was at the Farnborough Air show that the pilot rolled ir