@VrM1104 Its the same people and thats why you have those runes in Haga Sophia and also the runestones here in Scandinavia and especially in Sweden called " the Varangian runestones and also the Greece runestones, The Baltic runestones and the Ingvar runestones that tell of the travels to the east. You can google them if you want and look for your self.
lol its funny that the guy in swedish says something like "we could never imagine it would be this fucking difficult" but they didnt translate the curse word :P
According to Arab and Byzantine sources the word 'Ros' was widely used all over Black sea coast as far back as VI century.
The treasures from East ended up in Sweden because vikings were pirates.
Origins of so called 'viking objects' could be disputed. I can claim that all those objects belongs to the native cultures of Russia and Ukraine and there is no way anyone can prove me wrong.
@Gjalpinulva No here you lie and there are no Arabic and Byzantine sources about that. The first acount that identify the Rus was in the Annales Bertiniani, or The Annals of St. Bertin, are late Carolingian, Frankish annals in 838 AD.
There they are indentified as Swedes who had visited the Byzantine empire.
@BirkaViking There is no point to argue. This video show just one of a few versions of what really happened. If you want to be fair and historically correct you have to show all hypothesis. Otherwise it looks like you simply what to prove how great civilized Scandinavians built a state for worthless Slavic savages.
I have no problem with you being proud of you great ancestors but it doesn't look good when you do it at other's expense.
@Gjalpinulva Hi there and you couldent have more wrong about my intention. Iam after the truth and nothing else since I like history. I have also read about this subject for a very long time and this is 100% correct what is said in this video.
Because the sources are real and nothing else.
Its has nothing to with being interferior or not.
History are history. The interferior shit alias superior shit is only some old shit between Slavic and Germans and has nothing to with history.
@BirkaViking History is WRITTEN by people and RE-written many times. All we have now are pieces of evidence and some approximate conclusions which are subjective and may vary alot depending on historian's perception and preferences.
Look at how much arguing about what happened just 70 years ago during WWII. Survivors of this war are still alive and we already have insane number of speculations and history twisting.
@BirkaViking So saying 'this is 100% correct' about things that happened more than 700 years ago sounds abit dillusional. Because history is a bitch used by people in power for crowd control purposes for centuries.
@Gjalpinulva Well you have the Russian Primary chronicle as a very good source, Then you have Arabic, Byzantine and Frankish sources.
And on top of that you have the archelogic findings plus also Runestones that tell about the jouneys to the east and also Byzantine empire. You have also runic grafiti in Hagia Sophia after the Varangian guard.
And also the first Rus rulers had Scandinavian names until Sviatoslav.
So this so correct as it can be even if you dont like for some reason?
@BirkaViking Primary chronicle was written by Christian monks at the times when church was still fighting for the ground among stubborn pagans. These monks were desperate to prove the new religion worth it and used every opportunity to downgrade pagan's capacity for complex social structures such as building and sustaining strong and sufficient state. In par with mass destruction of any evidence against their agenda it was very effective.
@BirkaViking Also church needed the support of nobility and nobility was looking for the basis for their right to inherit titles. Because before all ruling titles were chosen by Veche and alot of people were not happy with the dukes passing titles and privileges on their offspring. The story of outsider being called to rule has drawn a clear line between those who can rule and those who can't.
@BirkaViking The names that you call 'Scandinavian' were widely used all over the lands from Scandinavia to Crimea. But for some reason (I think its simple 'divide and rule' strategy) they were banned by pro-Greek Orthodox church. Since the church had the privilege of naming newborns all those names disappeared in just 3-4 generations and became 'alien' to Orthodox population.
@BirkaViking Ask modern arab if he can tell the difference between Russian and Swede. I'm sure 99% of them wouldn't be able to distinguish neither appearance nor language. And 1000 years ago it was the same. For them we all look, talk and behave absolutely same way. So its not all that clear what Arabic and Byzantine sources talking about. Often their accounts can be interpreted in a few different ways. Thats why we have a few theories and all of them are credible.
@Stonegolem42 I fail to see facts. All I see is some tales which often contradict each other or even themselves. Some academics calling those tales 'proven facts' doesn't actually turning them into facts.
@Gjalpinulva I dont want to offend you or something but you should never blend in your personal feelings like you did earlier in this video. History is history and we can like it or not but personal feelings shouldent get involved in this subject.
You felt that I neglected Slavic history and you feelt very bad about it.
I first want to say that noone is more supreme then anyone else like both Slavic and Germans first thought in this subject.
@BirkaViking I have no 'personal feelings' on the subject. I consider all Indo-European nations my brothers and all those conflicts are just childish attempts to prove that they have right to live.
All I'm trying to say is that your theory is credible but it only tell one side of the story and doesn't show all picture. The motivation of sources is highly questionable. They might have assumptions and lies.
@Gjalpinulva The sources are as good as any other history sources plus the archelogic in this subject. And as I said earlier when this Chroichle was written the Norse names had since long dissapeard in the Rus rulers. Still the Rus rulers let this priest write the Chronichle to remeber the foundating of the country.
And about the Indo-European nations I agree with you.
@Gjalpinulva The Vikings was either invited as a ruling class or simply won wars in the east so they got that possition they got. We cant know this for sure but we can know that they were there as also those Russian archelogics says in this video.
And also when the Russian Primary Chronichle was written the Rus rulers had Slavic names since a long time back. They probably let this priest write the history of the lands so they should rememeber the foundation history of the country.
@Gjalpinulva Chronichles was written all over Europe for this meaning.
Then as you can see also the first Rus rulers had Scandinavian names and not Slavic names.
The Arabs also witnessing a viking ship burial among the Rus chieftains. This is also like the Russian archelogic says in this video a cermony from Scandinavia.
The Rus are also identified as Swedes in the Frankish chronichle Annals of St. Bertin.
@BirkaViking Skandinavians could adapt the names by marrying slavic women, adapting both cultures could end up with slavized names like (Female), Birkov (Male), Birkova (Female), Birkaschenka (Female), Birkaschenko (male), and so on .. Svenskhova (female), Svenskhov (male), the same to arabian names adapted to slavic traditional nameforms, Ahmedov (male), Ahmedova (female) (ahmed) ... Some Skandinavian and German, and foreigner names are traceble into the nowadays Slavic surnames.
@Gjalpinulva But if you look at the findings from the east found here in Sweden ( the enormous Viking treasures found here you will see that they are found both in the Swedes,Gutes and some in Geats.
@Gjalpinulva And no the Vikings wasent superior and hated the Slavic culture if so the later ruler would never taken Slavic names and adopted to the Slavic culture.
@BirkaViking You never know! It's your opinion, but maybe not there's... Not every tribe thinks the same, my friend.. Never forget that the real Rus' remains an Normann, which was native to Svenska and Norway!! .. you can't deny it, the roots of the name Rus' was given by fins of beeing Normann, Normann's came from skandinavian northern Tribes.
The Varangians travelled through Russia very much the way the French and British fur traders did in Canada, except they used canoes and 'York boats'. We called the overland stretches 'portages'.
@BirkaViking History of Russia was written by the Germans Miller, Shletser, Bairon from the Vatican.Two of them did not even know the Russian language.Theory on the origin of Rurik was Shletser He relied on the "the story of time years"but he did not want to see what is written there.There said quote: and the language of the Slavs and Rus is one.Many of you know the Swedes who speak Slavic language?
@199leg There isent any source at all what you said and I have never get your point when you lie. Everyone who isent mentaly retarded can see that all the first Rus rulers had Scandinavian names and nothing else.
The lying Communist era is gone and its time for you to wake up and see the truth dude,
@SlazerlentonTV But as late as 1019 Jaroslav the wise with help of his swedish queen Irina, known to the orthodox church as saint Anna of Novgorod. In Husaby, Västergötland, Sweden baptized as Ingegerd, called for troops from Sweden to help him get the upper hand over his brother Svjatopolk in Kiev. The coup succeded and the Jaroslav Rurikid dynasty was safe on the throne.
@SlazerlentonTV Russia and Ukraine had never been a protectorate of Sweden :-) Rurik and Oleg had ruled Kievan Rus, therefore their interests were not ones of Sweden.
@kenstarr2009 Мой друг поверьте,это бессмысленно пытаться переубедить этих ущербных дураков из Швеции,Дании и прочих карликов.Если вы приведете хоть 1000 научно подтвержденных данных о том ,что Рюрик не был шведом,датчанином,немцем они все равно будут верить в придуманные ими-же сказки.Им так удобней и приятней верить-фантазировать о том что они основали Русь и что мы были их протекторатом))). Хотя на самом деле все в точности до наоборот.Бог с ними с убогими)а мы просто подождем.
@BirkaViking The Slavs named the Varangian all the inhabitants of the Baltic Sea( including living Slavs for example Veneti) ."The story of time years "read.Baltica was previously "Varangian Sea".
@199leg Да ладно, даже если Рюрик и Олег были норманнского происхождения, это мало что меняет - они были приглашены на княжение, и вряд ли пришлая норманнская дружина диктовала условия - она просто подчинялась наравне со славянами, и пришлые норманны (не все, конечно) становились славянами - оставаясь на Руси, начиная говорить и думать по-русски.
Насчёт протектората - потомки норманнов знают, что Русь не была их протекторатом, просто лишь самые незнающие спрашивают такое :-)
@kenstarr2009 Также, о норманнском влиянии на английский язык - посетите английскую страничку в википедии "Old Man of Hoy" - где живут потомки "норманнов" и посмотрите на этот столб и подумайте почем уже облик его и английское слово "Hoy" так понятно славянскому слуху без перевода: "старый х..й" - вот оно наследие истинно-норманнское влияние! Там много "удивительного"! Что уже говорить о пришедшем с норманнами культе Лады в английском Леди... англичане, конечно же, отрицают тождественность.
@199leg В любом случае, не обошлось без норманнского присутствия, просто большинство на Западе преувеличивают норманнское влияние на Руси. В основном были "славяне" норманнского происхождения - обрусевшие норманны, поэтому в отличие от того же английского языка в русском не чувствуется норманнское влияние. И не такие уж они тупые, просто им хочется чувствовать гордость за своих предков:-)
@kenstarr2009 Да Бог с ними пусть чувствуют только не в ущерб другим.Да и почему собственно мы должны воплощать их фантазии в мнимую реальность.А то вот как они все хотят повернуть,Русь они создали принесли сюда государственность)))Сами у себя государство смогли создать намного позже чем мы,жопу лопухом вытирали ,чтобы костер развести ждали пока молния в дерево ударит а все туда-же "ЦЕВЕЛИЗАТОРЫ" мать их за ногу.Скандинавов как и финнов на Руси называли одним словом Чухонцы.
@BirkaViking Just there are two different points of view. It can be shown in simplified view as:
1) Normanik - Normans had come to Rus, ruled Russians and founded state.
2) Slavonik - Normans had not present in Russian story.
Of course, the truth is out there. It's between those points of view and even maybe beyond them. In any way, take it easy. However, those two points of view are not 100% right - they are right particullary in each own kind.
@kenstarr2009 There are no Norman and Slavic teorys its only political shit from the past. But there are souces and all sources show really well that the Varangians came from the Sweden area including the archelologic findings. So why does some here try to lie about obvius facts?
Its retarded.
As I said earlier the Varangian Rus did exaktly the same as the Normans did in France. They blended in and become one with the etnich people of the area.
@Metaldude1945 Hehe well I actually never said you had wrong I just said no one can know for sure how many the Franks was. But we can know for sure that the Franks was many more Germanic tribes then the Varangian Rus was.
Because if you follow the track after the Varangian Rus (There the treasures from the east ended up) It leads to the areas of the Gutes, Swedes and some Geats areas in now a days Sweden.
@BirkaViking I'd say Finland was a Scandinavian country but not Nordic and Iceland is Nordic but not part of Scandinavia. But other English-speakers might differ from me.
@Oswulf1 Well if you shall be strict in whats Scandinavia its Sweden, Norway and Denmark according to many. But Finland are included in the Nordic countrys.
If you count Finland to Scandinavia many says then Fennoscandia.
But I admit its little fuzzy. And since Finland was a part of Sweden for so long time its even more fuzzy :)
@BirkaViking So do you realize that Nordic languages, Nordic culture and Nordic subrace originated in Eurasian steppes (modern Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan). They slowly migrated towards Europe. Which makes parts of populations of Novgorod and Scandinavia nearly identical genetically and culturally. So there should be no surprise in close involvement into political affairs of each other. Significant differences are result of acceptance of Catholic and Orthodox religions.
@Gjalpinulva I have heard that the first agriculturers in Scandinavian countries came from northern Poland and Ukraine like 3000 before Christ. But there are also signs of gepidic migration from Västergötland, gothic from Gotland, skirs from Småland etc.. Known people from Västergötland: musicgroupTimoteij, Agnes Carlsson, Jessika Andersson, Linda Bengtzing, Olof Mellberg etc..
@Gjalpinulva Well all Europeans came from the east from the beginning, they came only in diffrent Waves.
Then you also had a migration to the east from Scandinavia in diffrent waves also. First around 100 bc -300Ad like the Goths and Gepids and so on. Then also during the Viking age.
@BirkaViking Only Indo-Europeans came from the East. The rest of European subraces have different origins.
You claiming that Rus state was founded by migrants from Scandinavia. But it doesn't make sense. Culturally and genetically Scandinavians were nearly identical to native populations all the way to the Black sea. They most likely participated in some processes but had no major impact on it.
@Gjalpinulva And also all Europeans came from the east from the beginning but in diffrent ways and thats why all languages here also are Indo-European.
Not all waves were indo european,there was previously paleolithic and neolithic waves,of pre-nordics,sardinians,danubians/eberians,Iberians,basques,also said to have constituted the cro magnon cultures,and N.africans,north anatolians(geneticly J the closest of the native/indigenous european haplogroup I )who brought in agriculture and sedentarism,Europe has a dual macro cultural ancestry,the indo european and the native european.
@StellandBlood Well Iam not good at all at so old history but dident the first humans came to Europe around 40 000 years ago from the east. If I dont remember wrong?
Yes,that is true,if you want better information about this,I recommend a visit to a site that publishes and constantly updates archeogenetic data,called Eupedia.
@BirkaViking Another thing is why do you need to build a state in the place where its already exists? At least some form of it existed long before Viking age. Roman legions have tried to conquer Sarmatian lands many times with no success. Only massive Turkic invasions forced Sarmatians to migrate. Those moved North were known as Roxalani or Rosalani (Rox/Ros mean Light or Blonde). Thus Blond Alans gave the name Ros to the population of the area.
@Gjalpinulva First of all Iam not claiming anything, this video shows real sources that everyone can find easily to read.
And its not one sources either. First you have the Primary Russian Chronichle that tell that the Slavic, Baltic, Finnic tribes send messages to the Varangian Rus who came from the other side of the ocean.
Then also all frist Rulers had Scandinavian names and nothing else.
But they only after 2-4 generations started to integrated with the bigger Slavic population.
@Gjalpinulva They did exaktly what the Normans did in France, they integrated fairly fast in the bigger Frankish population and started to speak French and so on.
But they keept their name "Normans"
Then you have the Frankish sources who the Rus was inform of (Rhos) And they were Swedes and nothing else. In Finish they also call Sweden for Routsi.
The name derives from Roslagen that means the law of the Rowers.
@Gjalpinulva And also the Arabic source decribes a Rus Chieftain ship burial. And that is north Germanic custom and nothing else.
And on top of that Viking objects has been found all over Russia and Ukraine.
And also the treasures from the east ended up in now a days Sweden. In the areas of the Gutes, Swedes, and Geats. So the Rus was proably a mix of these 3 tribes.
@Gjalpinulva The Rus also traded much with the Arabs so it has also been found more Arabic coins in now a days Sweden then in the Arabic world from the Viking age.
@Gjalpinulva I agree, as a Swede. I always tought many Russians look like us compared to British, French and some austrians and germans ( only some germans ) hehe.
@12345678909269 Brits and Franks have very high percentage of Celtic R1b DNA which came from totally different source thus looks different. Germans also have strong Celtic influence. Meanwhile R1b is nearly absent in Scandinavians and Slavs. We have many variations of Nordic, Baltic, Finno-Ugric and Cro-Magnons and that's why we look very similar.
@BirkaViking Also for Byzantine and Arabic historians there are no differences between people from Gothland and people from Dnieper river. They all tall blue-eyed blondes living by barbaric pagan customs and fighting like crazy.
@BirkaViking Norman theory bursts at the seams.And no need to accuse me of lying,I am not guilty that you do not print Russian studies on this topic already there are 300 years old.I am not guilty that you do not print ancient Russian Chronicles.I unlike you don't lie. Rurik's Grave v=eiYUn3v78yc&feature=related
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Even DNA descendants of Rurik said that Rurik was not Swede!
@BirkaViking By the way Soviet Studies in contrast to your Western Research,Soviet more professional.Can you say that Nester in the ancient Kiev was a Communist?
@kenstarr2009 В том то и дело, что норманнами франки называли именно славян... Пишет посол франков в Константинополе Лиутпранд Кремонский (Xвек) о флоте славян, атакующем Византию - буквально: "мы их называем норманнами", при этом ПВЛ даёт состав флота Олега, Игоря, Святослава: варяги, словены, чудь, кривичи, мери, поляне, древляне, радимичи, хорваты, дулебы, тиверцы.. - Вы заметили в составе флота - хотя бы одно чисто германское или скандинавское имя племени? 90% славяне, остальные финны...
@dm1968r Не пишите чепуху. Varangian leader Rurik is credited with founding the first Rus state. Although recent genetic studies have identified two major lines within Rurikids, N1c1a and R1a - This Finnish and Slavic type
@BirkaViking A good joke! However, you do not understand ... The message is written - Rurik - ie descendants of a sort of Rurik, on-line Igor, Svyatoslav, and so on - lies the remains of the monasteries. Today there are descendants, they live among us.
@BirkaViking Nestor tror,betyder det att Igor - son till prins Rurik, bokstavligen - Igor Ruriksson, Sviatoslav - son till prins Igor; Vladimir - son till prins Svyatoslav ... Hela gren av familjen av Rurik, den manliga linjen - upp till modern tid. Detta innebär att N1c1a och R1A - Denna finska och slaviska typ - sant.
Vi tror inte Nestor, innebär detta följande: Rurik - Igor - Svyatoslav - Vladimir - och så vidare = fiction, fantasy?
@klochkow73 Hehe oh man you seems to be very strange that deny the Primary Russian chronichle and on top of that you also deny Arabic, Frankish and also Byzantine sources and also the archelogic findings.
Then Varangian is a Germanic word that means under oath. The Germanic tribes was famous for their fight to death code that the Roman knew about since the days they tried to invade Germania.
@klochkow73It has to be noted that we cannot know for sure what haplogroup Rurik belonged to since no DNA known to originate from Rurik's body exists today. In similar cases, establishing the haplogroup of an ancient king, the scientists have had access to the actual body. The Swedish ruler Birger Jarl is an example of such DNA-investigation.
@klochkow73 Although no physical sample could be taken from the remains of Rurik's body, the FamilyTreeDNA Project could establish a firm link of many members of the Rurikid dynasty to a male born around the year 820 CE in the Uppland Province of Sweden. Ruriks DNA should most likely been of the haplogroup I1 (Y-DNA).
@BirkaViking Rurik No Swede.Conducted genetic studies of DNA the descendants of Rurik.Haplogroup I1 the descendants of Rurik is missing.His progeny, two haplogroups R1a1 and N1c1, Rurik was probably Slav R1a1.Theory Of Šlecera on the Swedish the origin of Rurik turned out falsehood.Shletser perform order Catherine 2 German by origin.Catherine need to justify its presence on the Russian throne,from there and this blatant lie about Rurik.
@199leg Then you have all archelogic findings in Russia and Sweden who speak for it self that the Varangians was Vikings from now a days Sweden.
The Varangians even married with Nordics up to the middle of 1150Ad.
Plus Rurik is a Nordic name and Oleg=Helge
Olga=Helga
Igor= Ingvar
The first Rus rulers had Scandinavian names and everyone knows that also. The ship burial the Arabs saw the Varangian Rus do is also a north Germanic custom and nothing else.
@BirkaViking Rurik's grave found,This Kurgan (Шум гора) under Novgorod,My grandmother was born in the village where the Kurgan.By Rurik was buried in Slavic tradition in Kurgan.
@BirkaViking With regard to the names You obviously are not familiar with the Slavic culture.The Slavs was adopted to name 2,the second name was from nicknames.For example a huge number of names similar to Tatar nicknames similar.Oleg is not a Scandinavian name,It is not means to Scandinavian.Oleg name comes from the Slavic "leg"- Angel and translates as Holy- pure.Rurik on Slavic language means Falcon.On the Scandinavian is nothing indicates.Coat Of Rurik Falcon with raised wings up.
A nice film, but as usually very self-complimenting and scandianavian centered:)
"Gardarika" was a "country of cities". Vikings, being ordinary sea pirates came to the land, which had a lot of towns and they for sure could not found any state since they had no own one. Scandinavian states appeared much later than Rus. Plus don't forget that all scandinavian architecture has come from Russia. Read : perunica.ru/zodchestvo/2049-istoki-russkogo-domostroitelstva-i-ego-vliyanie.html
After Wilhelm the Conqueror took England, a lot of saxons also travelled to the east, they joined the Varangian guard, and from then the varangian guard went from being scandinavian-dominated to saxon-dominated, according to some historians.
@WatchRyder Yep, Harald Hardråde fled from the battle of Stiklestad where his brother fell, he fled east and eventually ended up in the Varangian Guard, and was made leader.
He participated in several battles there, but eventually travelled home to claim a part of the kingdom.
@kenstarr2009 О каком миксе вы говорите?)Скорее это они микс,посудите сами.Финно-угорская гаплогруппа в России состовляет 16-20% и в основном это Карелы,Мордва и прочие коренные жители России.Гаплогруппа I1в России 6-8%.Тогда как в той же Швеции гаплогруппа славян R1a1 составляет 23-38% и кстати в основном они проживают на побережье Балтики.
@199leg Yaroslav the Wise even fleed to Scandinavia and he got help from the Varangians against his brother Svyatopolk. Yaroslav defeated his brother became the grand prince of Kiev in 1019.
@199leg в любом случае в нас есть примесь финнов и норманнов, потому что нет абсолютно "чистых" наций. А также скифов и сарматов - много набрали наши предки-славяне - потомки венедов, двигаясь на восток, на место Киева, Полоцка, Новгорода и других древних городов. Другое дело, что нас это ни к чему не обязывает. Основа всё равно славянская.
И они (скандинавы) тоже с примесями, ничего особенного тут нет.
I came to see the Varangian Guard that was Constantinople elite guard. These people are traders
VrM1104 1 week ago
@VrM1104 Its the same people and thats why you have those runes in Haga Sophia and also the runestones here in Scandinavia and especially in Sweden called " the Varangian runestones and also the Greece runestones, The Baltic runestones and the Ingvar runestones that tell of the travels to the east. You can google them if you want and look for your self.
BirkaViking 1 week ago
lol its funny that the guy in swedish says something like "we could never imagine it would be this fucking difficult" but they didnt translate the curse word :P
Ullbritt 3 weeks ago
I can speak Swedish AND Russian!
Horosho, spasibo bolshoi!
WesternPAdude 3 weeks ago
@WesternPAdude now you just need to learn the most important language, old norse! :D
Ullbritt 3 weeks ago
@Ullbritt Ok!
:)
WesternPAdude 3 weeks ago
@Olegmoroz1379 Well look at the video if you underrstand spoken English before you say anything.
If you need to ask anything more you are welcome.
Cheers
BirkaViking 3 weeks ago
According to Arab and Byzantine sources the word 'Ros' was widely used all over Black sea coast as far back as VI century.
The treasures from East ended up in Sweden because vikings were pirates.
Origins of so called 'viking objects' could be disputed. I can claim that all those objects belongs to the native cultures of Russia and Ukraine and there is no way anyone can prove me wrong.
Same goes for the ship burials.
Gjalpinulva 1 month ago
@Gjalpinulva No here you lie and there are no Arabic and Byzantine sources about that. The first acount that identify the Rus was in the Annales Bertiniani, or The Annals of St. Bertin, are late Carolingian, Frankish annals in 838 AD.
There they are indentified as Swedes who had visited the Byzantine empire.
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@Gjalpinulva And the ship burial custom is a north Germanic custom and nothing else.
The first findings of the Norse men in the east are found already in the early 700 Ad in the area of Ladoga.
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@BirkaViking There is no point to argue. This video show just one of a few versions of what really happened. If you want to be fair and historically correct you have to show all hypothesis. Otherwise it looks like you simply what to prove how great civilized Scandinavians built a state for worthless Slavic savages.
I have no problem with you being proud of you great ancestors but it doesn't look good when you do it at other's expense.
Gjalpinulva 3 weeks ago
@Gjalpinulva Hi there and you couldent have more wrong about my intention. Iam after the truth and nothing else since I like history. I have also read about this subject for a very long time and this is 100% correct what is said in this video.
Because the sources are real and nothing else.
Its has nothing to with being interferior or not.
History are history. The interferior shit alias superior shit is only some old shit between Slavic and Germans and has nothing to with history.
Cheers
BirkaViking 3 weeks ago
@BirkaViking History is WRITTEN by people and RE-written many times. All we have now are pieces of evidence and some approximate conclusions which are subjective and may vary alot depending on historian's perception and preferences.
Look at how much arguing about what happened just 70 years ago during WWII. Survivors of this war are still alive and we already have insane number of speculations and history twisting.
Gjalpinulva 3 weeks ago
@BirkaViking So saying 'this is 100% correct' about things that happened more than 700 years ago sounds abit dillusional. Because history is a bitch used by people in power for crowd control purposes for centuries.
Gjalpinulva 3 weeks ago
@Gjalpinulva Well you have the Russian Primary chronicle as a very good source, Then you have Arabic, Byzantine and Frankish sources.
And on top of that you have the archelogic findings plus also Runestones that tell about the jouneys to the east and also Byzantine empire. You have also runic grafiti in Hagia Sophia after the Varangian guard.
And also the first Rus rulers had Scandinavian names until Sviatoslav.
So this so correct as it can be even if you dont like for some reason?
BirkaViking 2 weeks ago
@BirkaViking Primary chronicle was written by Christian monks at the times when church was still fighting for the ground among stubborn pagans. These monks were desperate to prove the new religion worth it and used every opportunity to downgrade pagan's capacity for complex social structures such as building and sustaining strong and sufficient state. In par with mass destruction of any evidence against their agenda it was very effective.
Gjalpinulva 2 weeks ago
@BirkaViking Also church needed the support of nobility and nobility was looking for the basis for their right to inherit titles. Because before all ruling titles were chosen by Veche and alot of people were not happy with the dukes passing titles and privileges on their offspring. The story of outsider being called to rule has drawn a clear line between those who can rule and those who can't.
Gjalpinulva 2 weeks ago
@BirkaViking The names that you call 'Scandinavian' were widely used all over the lands from Scandinavia to Crimea. But for some reason (I think its simple 'divide and rule' strategy) they were banned by pro-Greek Orthodox church. Since the church had the privilege of naming newborns all those names disappeared in just 3-4 generations and became 'alien' to Orthodox population.
Gjalpinulva 2 weeks ago
@BirkaViking Ask modern arab if he can tell the difference between Russian and Swede. I'm sure 99% of them wouldn't be able to distinguish neither appearance nor language. And 1000 years ago it was the same. For them we all look, talk and behave absolutely same way. So its not all that clear what Arabic and Byzantine sources talking about. Often their accounts can be interpreted in a few different ways. Thats why we have a few theories and all of them are credible.
Gjalpinulva 2 weeks ago
@Gjalpinulva
"worthless Slavic savages"
Today,only ignorant retards think such things.
StellandBlood 3 weeks ago
@Gjalpinulva I find your revisionism in the face of facts disturbing.
Stonegolem42 2 weeks ago
@Stonegolem42 I fail to see facts. All I see is some tales which often contradict each other or even themselves. Some academics calling those tales 'proven facts' doesn't actually turning them into facts.
Gjalpinulva 2 weeks ago
@Gjalpinulva I dont want to offend you or something but you should never blend in your personal feelings like you did earlier in this video. History is history and we can like it or not but personal feelings shouldent get involved in this subject.
You felt that I neglected Slavic history and you feelt very bad about it.
I first want to say that noone is more supreme then anyone else like both Slavic and Germans first thought in this subject.
BirkaViking 2 weeks ago
@BirkaViking I have no 'personal feelings' on the subject. I consider all Indo-European nations my brothers and all those conflicts are just childish attempts to prove that they have right to live.
All I'm trying to say is that your theory is credible but it only tell one side of the story and doesn't show all picture. The motivation of sources is highly questionable. They might have assumptions and lies.
Gjalpinulva 2 weeks ago
@Gjalpinulva The sources are as good as any other history sources plus the archelogic in this subject. And as I said earlier when this Chroichle was written the Norse names had since long dissapeard in the Rus rulers. Still the Rus rulers let this priest write the Chronichle to remeber the foundating of the country.
And about the Indo-European nations I agree with you.
Cheers
BirkaViking 2 weeks ago
@Gjalpinulva The Vikings was either invited as a ruling class or simply won wars in the east so they got that possition they got. We cant know this for sure but we can know that they were there as also those Russian archelogics says in this video.
And also when the Russian Primary Chronichle was written the Rus rulers had Slavic names since a long time back. They probably let this priest write the history of the lands so they should rememeber the foundation history of the country.
BirkaViking 2 weeks ago
@Gjalpinulva Chronichles was written all over Europe for this meaning.
Then as you can see also the first Rus rulers had Scandinavian names and not Slavic names.
The Arabs also witnessing a viking ship burial among the Rus chieftains. This is also like the Russian archelogic says in this video a cermony from Scandinavia.
The Rus are also identified as Swedes in the Frankish chronichle Annals of St. Bertin.
BirkaViking 2 weeks ago
@BirkaViking Skandinavians could adapt the names by marrying slavic women, adapting both cultures could end up with slavized names like (Female), Birkov (Male), Birkova (Female), Birkaschenka (Female), Birkaschenko (male), and so on .. Svenskhova (female), Svenskhov (male), the same to arabian names adapted to slavic traditional nameforms, Ahmedov (male), Ahmedova (female) (ahmed) ... Some Skandinavian and German, and foreigner names are traceble into the nowadays Slavic surnames.
kevinvandijk 1 week ago
@Gjalpinulva But if you look at the findings from the east found here in Sweden ( the enormous Viking treasures found here you will see that they are found both in the Swedes,Gutes and some in Geats.
BirkaViking 2 weeks ago
@Gjalpinulva The sources plus the archelogic findings in this subject speak for it self.
BirkaViking 2 weeks ago
@Gjalpinulva And no the Vikings wasent superior and hated the Slavic culture if so the later ruler would never taken Slavic names and adopted to the Slavic culture.
End of story.
BirkaViking 2 weeks ago
@BirkaViking You never know! It's your opinion, but maybe not there's... Not every tribe thinks the same, my friend.. Never forget that the real Rus' remains an Normann, which was native to Svenska and Norway!! .. you can't deny it, the roots of the name Rus' was given by fins of beeing Normann, Normann's came from skandinavian northern Tribes.
kevinvandijk 1 week ago
@kevinvandijk I have never said enything other then the Varangians Rus was Scandinavians either from the beginning?
The Varangians Rus got their name from Roslagen here in Sweden. And the name means the Law of the Rowers.
The Finns also still call Sweden for Routsi.
Cheers
BirkaViking 1 week ago
Russia is not Rus'-Ukraine!!
TheCossackmate 1 month ago
@TheCossackmate You can ask any Russian historian about that, and they will all say that the Rus kingdom counts as the first Russia.
And thats what is said also in the Primary Russian Chronicle
BirkaViking 1 month ago
How they managed to navigate so far with the technology available is so incredible, great video.
vito445 1 month ago
Its all semantics, Finland is tied in with scandinavian history and culture
vito445 1 month ago
The Varangians travelled through Russia very much the way the French and British fur traders did in Canada, except they used canoes and 'York boats'. We called the overland stretches 'portages'.
Oswulf1 1 month ago
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199leg 1 month ago
@BirkaViking History of Russia was written by the Germans Miller, Shletser, Bairon from the Vatican.Two of them did not even know the Russian language.Theory on the origin of Rurik was Shletser He relied on the "the story of time years"but he did not want to see what is written there.There said quote: and the language of the Slavs and Rus is one.Many of you know the Swedes who speak Slavic language?
199leg 1 month ago
@199leg There isent any source at all what you said and I have never get your point when you lie. Everyone who isent mentaly retarded can see that all the first Rus rulers had Scandinavian names and nothing else.
The lying Communist era is gone and its time for you to wake up and see the truth dude,
BirkaViking 1 month ago
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199leg 1 month ago
History is not a good friend of nationalists,and their linear and romantic fairy tales......really not a good friend......
Better to dismiss it,as a jewish conspiracy,and continue on their perceived "wonder world"......
StellandBlood 1 month ago
that's some serious viking bling,
jadewindsong 2 months ago
Interesting this Varangian Country in modern Russia and Ukraine was indepence or it is was protectorate of Sweden?
SlazerlentonTV 2 months ago
@SlazerlentonTV It was independet atleast what I know of.
Cheers
BirkaViking 2 months ago
@SlazerlentonTV But as late as 1019 Jaroslav the wise with help of his swedish queen Irina, known to the orthodox church as saint Anna of Novgorod. In Husaby, Västergötland, Sweden baptized as Ingegerd, called for troops from Sweden to help him get the upper hand over his brother Svjatopolk in Kiev. The coup succeded and the Jaroslav Rurikid dynasty was safe on the throne.
alarik36 2 months ago
@SlazerlentonTV Russia and Ukraine had never been a protectorate of Sweden :-) Rurik and Oleg had ruled Kievan Rus, therefore their interests were not ones of Sweden.
kenstarr2009 2 months ago
@kenstarr2009 Мой друг поверьте,это бессмысленно пытаться переубедить этих ущербных дураков из Швеции,Дании и прочих карликов.Если вы приведете хоть 1000 научно подтвержденных данных о том ,что Рюрик не был шведом,датчанином,немцем они все равно будут верить в придуманные ими-же сказки.Им так удобней и приятней верить-фантазировать о том что они основали Русь и что мы были их протекторатом))). Хотя на самом деле все в точности до наоборот.Бог с ними с убогими)а мы просто подождем.
199leg 1 month ago
@199leg Varangian is a Germanic word that means under oath (a sworn person) Old Norse væringi.
Old English wærgenga,
Old Frankish wargengus
Langobardic waregang
BirkaViking 1 month ago
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@BirkaViking The Slavs named the Varangian all the inhabitants of the Baltic Sea( including living Slavs for example Veneti) ."The story of time years "read.Baltica was previously "Varangian Sea".
199leg 1 month ago
@199leg Да ладно, даже если Рюрик и Олег были норманнского происхождения, это мало что меняет - они были приглашены на княжение, и вряд ли пришлая норманнская дружина диктовала условия - она просто подчинялась наравне со славянами, и пришлые норманны (не все, конечно) становились славянами - оставаясь на Руси, начиная говорить и думать по-русски.
Насчёт протектората - потомки норманнов знают, что Русь не была их протекторатом, просто лишь самые незнающие спрашивают такое :-)
kenstarr2009 1 month ago
@kenstarr2009 Также, о норманнском влиянии на английский язык - посетите английскую страничку в википедии "Old Man of Hoy" - где живут потомки "норманнов" и посмотрите на этот столб и подумайте почем уже облик его и английское слово "Hoy" так понятно славянскому слуху без перевода: "старый х..й" - вот оно наследие истинно-норманнское влияние! Там много "удивительного"! Что уже говорить о пришедшем с норманнами культе Лады в английском Леди... англичане, конечно же, отрицают тождественность.
1oden2dva3tree 1 month ago
@199leg В любом случае, не обошлось без норманнского присутствия, просто большинство на Западе преувеличивают норманнское влияние на Руси. В основном были "славяне" норманнского происхождения - обрусевшие норманны, поэтому в отличие от того же английского языка в русском не чувствуется норманнское влияние. И не такие уж они тупые, просто им хочется чувствовать гордость за своих предков:-)
kenstarr2009 1 month ago
@kenstarr2009 Да Бог с ними пусть чувствуют только не в ущерб другим.Да и почему собственно мы должны воплощать их фантазии в мнимую реальность.А то вот как они все хотят повернуть,Русь они создали принесли сюда государственность)))Сами у себя государство смогли создать намного позже чем мы,жопу лопухом вытирали ,чтобы костер развести ждали пока молния в дерево ударит а все туда-же "ЦЕВЕЛИЗАТОРЫ" мать их за ногу.Скандинавов как и финнов на Руси называли одним словом Чухонцы.
199leg 1 month ago
@kenstarr2009 В отличие от некоторых здесь Ям на самом деле заинтересована в истории и что isent же, как и чувство гордости за что-то.
Я никогда не понимаю, почему некоторые пытаются лгать об источниках и коммунистической эпохи, давно прошли.
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@BirkaViking Just there are two different points of view. It can be shown in simplified view as:
1) Normanik - Normans had come to Rus, ruled Russians and founded state.
2) Slavonik - Normans had not present in Russian story.
Of course, the truth is out there. It's between those points of view and even maybe beyond them. In any way, take it easy. However, those two points of view are not 100% right - they are right particullary in each own kind.
kenstarr2009 1 month ago
@kenstarr2009 There are no Norman and Slavic teorys its only political shit from the past. But there are souces and all sources show really well that the Varangians came from the Sweden area including the archelologic findings. So why does some here try to lie about obvius facts?
Its retarded.
As I said earlier the Varangian Rus did exaktly the same as the Normans did in France. They blended in and become one with the etnich people of the area.
End of story.......
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@BirkaViking You are right, that the points of view are just political. I also think that all disputes are mindless.
kenstarr2009 1 month ago
@BirkaViking I see you have understood what I have said to you before, Birka. :D
Metaldude1945 1 month ago
@Metaldude1945 I have said this all the time but some seems dont to get it.
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@BirkaViking Well, you didn't seem to agree on the Franks for example ;)
Metaldude1945 1 month ago
@Metaldude1945 Hehe well I actually never said you had wrong I just said no one can know for sure how many the Franks was. But we can know for sure that the Franks was many more Germanic tribes then the Varangian Rus was.
Because if you follow the track after the Varangian Rus (There the treasures from the east ended up) It leads to the areas of the Gutes, Swedes and some Geats areas in now a days Sweden.
Cheers
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@BirkaViking Could you please explain in a couple words what do you mean by Nordic?
Gjalpinulva 1 month ago
@Gjalpinulva Nordic = North Germanic.
And in Scandinavia we also speak north Germanic languages.
But today also Finns and Finland are included in the Nordic countrys.
Cheers
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@BirkaViking I'd say Finland was a Scandinavian country but not Nordic and Iceland is Nordic but not part of Scandinavia. But other English-speakers might differ from me.
Oswulf1 1 month ago
@Oswulf1 Well if you shall be strict in whats Scandinavia its Sweden, Norway and Denmark according to many. But Finland are included in the Nordic countrys.
If you count Finland to Scandinavia many says then Fennoscandia.
But I admit its little fuzzy. And since Finland was a part of Sweden for so long time its even more fuzzy :)
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@BirkaViking So do you realize that Nordic languages, Nordic culture and Nordic subrace originated in Eurasian steppes (modern Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan). They slowly migrated towards Europe. Which makes parts of populations of Novgorod and Scandinavia nearly identical genetically and culturally. So there should be no surprise in close involvement into political affairs of each other. Significant differences are result of acceptance of Catholic and Orthodox religions.
Gjalpinulva 1 month ago 2
@Gjalpinulva I have heard that the first agriculturers in Scandinavian countries came from northern Poland and Ukraine like 3000 before Christ. But there are also signs of gepidic migration from Västergötland, gothic from Gotland, skirs from Småland etc.. Known people from Västergötland: musicgroupTimoteij, Agnes Carlsson, Jessika Andersson, Linda Bengtzing, Olof Mellberg etc..
alarik36 1 month ago
@Gjalpinulva Well all Europeans came from the east from the beginning, they came only in diffrent Waves.
Then you also had a migration to the east from Scandinavia in diffrent waves also. First around 100 bc -300Ad like the Goths and Gepids and so on. Then also during the Viking age.
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@BirkaViking Only Indo-Europeans came from the East. The rest of European subraces have different origins.
You claiming that Rus state was founded by migrants from Scandinavia. But it doesn't make sense. Culturally and genetically Scandinavians were nearly identical to native populations all the way to the Black sea. They most likely participated in some processes but had no major impact on it.
Gjalpinulva 1 month ago
@Gjalpinulva And also all Europeans came from the east from the beginning but in diffrent ways and thats why all languages here also are Indo-European.
Cheers
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@BirkaViking
Not all waves were indo european,there was previously paleolithic and neolithic waves,of pre-nordics,sardinians,danubians/eberians,Iberians,basques,also said to have constituted the cro magnon cultures,and N.africans,north anatolians(geneticly J the closest of the native/indigenous european haplogroup I )who brought in agriculture and sedentarism,Europe has a dual macro cultural ancestry,the indo european and the native european.
StellandBlood 1 month ago
@StellandBlood Well Iam not good at all at so old history but dident the first humans came to Europe around 40 000 years ago from the east. If I dont remember wrong?
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@BirkaViking
Yes,that is true,if you want better information about this,I recommend a visit to a site that publishes and constantly updates archeogenetic data,called Eupedia.
Best regards.
StellandBlood 1 month ago
@StellandBlood Ok thanks for the tip :)
But then I had right about that all Europeans came from the east onlu in different waves :)
Cheers
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@BirkaViking
Scandinavia is the part of Europe with the most native lineages(30% to 35%),there is a great native cultural heritage,still today visible.
StellandBlood 1 month ago
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@BirkaViking
Scandinavia is the part of Europe with the most native lineages(30% to 35%),there is a great native cultural heritage,still today visible.
StellandBlood 1 month ago
@BirkaViking Another thing is why do you need to build a state in the place where its already exists? At least some form of it existed long before Viking age. Roman legions have tried to conquer Sarmatian lands many times with no success. Only massive Turkic invasions forced Sarmatians to migrate. Those moved North were known as Roxalani or Rosalani (Rox/Ros mean Light or Blonde). Thus Blond Alans gave the name Ros to the population of the area.
Gjalpinulva 1 month ago
@Gjalpinulva First of all Iam not claiming anything, this video shows real sources that everyone can find easily to read.
And its not one sources either. First you have the Primary Russian Chronichle that tell that the Slavic, Baltic, Finnic tribes send messages to the Varangian Rus who came from the other side of the ocean.
Then also all frist Rulers had Scandinavian names and nothing else.
But they only after 2-4 generations started to integrated with the bigger Slavic population.
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@Gjalpinulva They did exaktly what the Normans did in France, they integrated fairly fast in the bigger Frankish population and started to speak French and so on.
But they keept their name "Normans"
Then you have the Frankish sources who the Rus was inform of (Rhos) And they were Swedes and nothing else. In Finish they also call Sweden for Routsi.
The name derives from Roslagen that means the law of the Rowers.
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@Gjalpinulva And also the Arabic source decribes a Rus Chieftain ship burial. And that is north Germanic custom and nothing else.
And on top of that Viking objects has been found all over Russia and Ukraine.
And also the treasures from the east ended up in now a days Sweden. In the areas of the Gutes, Swedes, and Geats. So the Rus was proably a mix of these 3 tribes.
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@Gjalpinulva The Rus also traded much with the Arabs so it has also been found more Arabic coins in now a days Sweden then in the Arabic world from the Viking age.
Cheers
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@Gjalpinulva I agree, as a Swede. I always tought many Russians look like us compared to British, French and some austrians and germans ( only some germans ) hehe.
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@12345678909269 Brits and Franks have very high percentage of Celtic R1b DNA which came from totally different source thus looks different. Germans also have strong Celtic influence. Meanwhile R1b is nearly absent in Scandinavians and Slavs. We have many variations of Nordic, Baltic, Finno-Ugric and Cro-Magnons and that's why we look very similar.
Gjalpinulva 3 weeks ago
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Scandinavians have about 25% to 30%R1b(danish have 50%),If I remember well,I can be wrong.
I wouldn´t call that absent,similar to the weight of the R1a.
In slavs,yes,it is far more irrelevant.
Haplogroups/ancestry were considered by the experts in this field to make a poor explanation,to populations appearance.
StellandBlood 3 weeks ago
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@Gjalpinulva
Scandinavians have about 20% to 30%R1b(danish have 50%),If I remember well,I can be wrong.
I wouldn´t call that absent,similar to the weight of the R1a.
In slavs,yes,it is far more irrelevant.
Haplogroups/ancestry were considered by the experts in this field to make a poor explanation,to populations appearance.
StellandBlood 3 weeks ago
@BirkaViking Also for Byzantine and Arabic historians there are no differences between people from Gothland and people from Dnieper river. They all tall blue-eyed blondes living by barbaric pagan customs and fighting like crazy.
Gjalpinulva 1 month ago
@Gjalpinulva Infact in Crimea in Ukraine was the last once who spoke the east Germanic Gothic languages before it died out.
Cheers
BirkaViking 1 month ago
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199leg 1 month ago
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199leg 1 month ago
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@BirkaViking Norman theory bursts at the seams.And no need to accuse me of lying,I am not guilty that you do not print Russian studies on this topic already there are 300 years old.I am not guilty that you do not print ancient Russian Chronicles.I unlike you don't lie. Rurik's Grave v=eiYUn3v78yc&feature=related
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Even DNA descendants of Rurik said that Rurik was not Swede!
199leg 1 month ago
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@BirkaViking By the way Soviet Studies in contrast to your Western Research,Soviet more professional.Can you say that Nester in the ancient Kiev was a Communist?
199leg 1 month ago
@kenstarr2009 В том то и дело, что норманнами франки называли именно славян... Пишет посол франков в Константинополе Лиутпранд Кремонский (Xвек) о флоте славян, атакующем Византию - буквально: "мы их называем норманнами", при этом ПВЛ даёт состав флота Олега, Игоря, Святослава: варяги, словены, чудь, кривичи, мери, поляне, древляне, радимичи, хорваты, дулебы, тиверцы.. - Вы заметили в составе флота - хотя бы одно чисто германское или скандинавское имя племени? 90% славяне, остальные финны...
1oden2dva3tree 1 month ago
wiki/Rus'_people
dm1968r 2 months ago
Yes, in western Russia to 7 - 20% of Scandinavian I1a haplogroup
dm1968r 2 months ago
@dm1968r Не пишите чепуху. Varangian leader Rurik is credited with founding the first Rus state. Although recent genetic studies have identified two major lines within Rurikids, N1c1a and R1a - This Finnish and Slavic type
klochkow73 2 months ago
@klochkow73 First of all Ruriks grave hasent yet been found and to 100% know about the Genetics you must find the grave.
Cheers
BirkaViking 2 months ago
@BirkaViking A good joke! However, you do not understand ... The message is written - Rurik - ie descendants of a sort of Rurik, on-line Igor, Svyatoslav, and so on - lies the remains of the monasteries. Today there are descendants, they live among us.
klochkow73 2 months ago
@klochkow73 Sorry there I dont get what you meant?
BirkaViking 2 months ago
@BirkaViking Nestor tror,betyder det att Igor - son till prins Rurik, bokstavligen - Igor Ruriksson, Sviatoslav - son till prins Igor; Vladimir - son till prins Svyatoslav ... Hela gren av familjen av Rurik, den manliga linjen - upp till modern tid. Detta innebär att N1c1a och R1A - Denna finska och slaviska typ - sant.
Vi tror inte Nestor, innebär detta följande: Rurik - Igor - Svyatoslav - Vladimir - och så vidare = fiction, fantasy?
Vems text - sanningen?
klochkow73 2 months ago
@klochkow73 Hehe oh man you seems to be very strange that deny the Primary Russian chronichle and on top of that you also deny Arabic, Frankish and also Byzantine sources and also the archelogic findings.
Then Varangian is a Germanic word that means under oath. The Germanic tribes was famous for their fight to death code that the Roman knew about since the days they tried to invade Germania.
BirkaViking 2 months ago
@klochkow73It has to be noted that we cannot know for sure what haplogroup Rurik belonged to since no DNA known to originate from Rurik's body exists today. In similar cases, establishing the haplogroup of an ancient king, the scientists have had access to the actual body. The Swedish ruler Birger Jarl is an example of such DNA-investigation.
BirkaViking 2 months ago
@klochkow73 Although no physical sample could be taken from the remains of Rurik's body, the FamilyTreeDNA Project could establish a firm link of many members of the Rurikid dynasty to a male born around the year 820 CE in the Uppland Province of Sweden. Ruriks DNA should most likely been of the haplogroup I1 (Y-DNA).
BirkaViking 2 months ago
@BirkaViking Rurik No Swede.Conducted genetic studies of DNA the descendants of Rurik.Haplogroup I1 the descendants of Rurik is missing.His progeny, two haplogroups R1a1 and N1c1, Rurik was probably Slav R1a1.Theory Of Šlecera on the Swedish the origin of Rurik turned out falsehood.Shletser perform order Catherine 2 German by origin.Catherine need to justify its presence on the Russian throne,from there and this blatant lie about Rurik.
199leg 1 month ago
@199leg But you cant have a DNA research with out the Ruriks body?
A blood line can be broken many times over 1200 years.
And the Russian primary chronichle tell very well that the Varangians came from the other side of the Ocean.
And then you also have Frankish, Arabic and Byzantine sources about the Varangians.
And not one single sources tell that the Varangians was Slavic becuase they were Nordic from the beginning.
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@199leg Then you have all archelogic findings in Russia and Sweden who speak for it self that the Varangians was Vikings from now a days Sweden.
The Varangians even married with Nordics up to the middle of 1150Ad.
Plus Rurik is a Nordic name and Oleg=Helge
Olga=Helga
Igor= Ingvar
The first Rus rulers had Scandinavian names and everyone knows that also. The ship burial the Arabs saw the Varangian Rus do is also a north Germanic custom and nothing else.
Cheers
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@klochkow73 So please man no more lies on my channel you can go and lie some where else if you have the need for it.
BirkaViking 2 months ago
@BirkaViking Rurik's grave found,This Kurgan (Шум гора) under Novgorod,My grandmother was born in the village where the Kurgan.By Rurik was buried in Slavic tradition in Kurgan.
199leg 1 month ago
@199leg
And Ruriks grave are not found so stop lie dude..............
BirkaViking 1 month ago
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@BirkaViking With regard to the names You obviously are not familiar with the Slavic culture.The Slavs was adopted to name 2,the second name was from nicknames.For example a huge number of names similar to Tatar nicknames similar.Oleg is not a Scandinavian name,It is not means to Scandinavian.Oleg name comes from the Slavic "leg"- Angel and translates as Holy- pure.Rurik on Slavic language means Falcon.On the Scandinavian is nothing indicates.Coat Of Rurik Falcon with raised wings up.
199leg 1 month ago
Takker
hinschwarte 2 months ago
Thank You.
SuperSparky2012 2 months ago
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A nice film, but as usually very self-complimenting and scandianavian centered:)
"Gardarika" was a "country of cities". Vikings, being ordinary sea pirates came to the land, which had a lot of towns and they for sure could not found any state since they had no own one. Scandinavian states appeared much later than Rus. Plus don't forget that all scandinavian architecture has come from Russia. Read : perunica.ru/zodchestvo/2049-istoki-russkogo-domostroitelstva-i-ego-vliyanie.html
koro3koro3koro3 2 months ago
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koro3koro3koro3 2 months ago
Tack för upload och delning, denna video är awesome!!!
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leganewu 2 months ago
I appreciate your good job man! You are worthy of praise:)
cheers from Poland
nihonjin19 2 months ago
I was awaiting part III to download it.
Cheers, Birka!
LankaDutch 2 months ago
@LankaDutch Oh well it has been up a long time now :)
Cheers
BirkaViking 2 months ago
This is grand. I'm gonna take the time and review all the videos.
cubrick2001 2 months ago
Interessting video
siriusstar10000 2 months ago
great ;)
sawyers145 2 months ago
Awesome video! great upload.
Wulfia1 2 months ago
Nice upload, the Varangians were one of the best Byzantine warriors, they were fearless and respected soldiers.
Zorro11144 2 months ago
Som alltid bra uppladdningar!
IcyViking 2 months ago
After Wilhelm the Conqueror took England, a lot of saxons also travelled to the east, they joined the Varangian guard, and from then the varangian guard went from being scandinavian-dominated to saxon-dominated, according to some historians.
Vikingskog 2 months ago 2
@Vikingskog Yeah thats correct :)
Cheers from Sweden
BirkaViking 2 months ago
@Vikingskog
I heard that too, wasn't Harold formerly a Varangian Guard Captain before he headed back to Europe?
WatchRyder 2 months ago
@WatchRyder Yep, Harald Hardråde fled from the battle of Stiklestad where his brother fell, he fled east and eventually ended up in the Varangian Guard, and was made leader.
He participated in several battles there, but eventually travelled home to claim a part of the kingdom.
Vikingskog 2 months ago
Thumbs up!
Greetings
George
Fliegenpilzhamburg 2 months ago
@Fliegenpilzhamburg Thanks man :)
Cheers
BirkaViking 2 months ago
These are great programs.
SnyderRon 2 months ago
very educative video
CroPETRO27 2 months ago
@CroPETRO27 Yeah this documentary is really good :)
Cheers from Sweden
BirkaViking 2 months ago
Great Dane Viking
CombatArchery 2 months ago
@CombatArchery Thanks man :)
Cheers from Sweden
BirkaViking 2 months ago
Those darned unruly Slav's.
There would be no Russia without the Viking's.
They took their ships up the main rivers and trading posts formed and became towns then cities.
When a country had a problem, it went to the Viking's for advice.
The Viking's also made some of the most difficult to produce and complex swords ever forged.
Like the "Sutton Hoo" sword I'm currently reproducing.
Conan568 2 months ago
Bra att du laddade upp denna dokumentären igen!
joonte1010 2 months ago
Nice.
AdamForExample 2 months ago
@AdamForExample Thanks :)
Cheers
BirkaViking 2 months ago
Again a good example of your uploading I enjoyed watching, Birka!
LankaDutch 2 months ago
@LankaDutch Thanks man that you liked my uploads:)
Cheers from Sweden
BirkaViking 2 months ago
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xXDominoXx 2 months ago
Russians = Norseo-Slavs
xXDominoXx 2 months ago
@xXDominoXx Yeah you can call it that :)
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BirkaViking 2 months ago
@xXDominoXx Russians are Slavs with significant Finnish mix and some Norse mix too.
kenstarr2009 1 month ago
@kenstarr2009 О каком миксе вы говорите?)Скорее это они микс,посудите сами.Финно-угорская гаплогруппа в России состовляет 16-20% и в основном это Карелы,Мордва и прочие коренные жители России.Гаплогруппа I1в России 6-8%.Тогда как в той же Швеции гаплогруппа славян R1a1 составляет 23-38% и кстати в основном они проживают на побережье Балтики.
199leg 1 month ago
@199leg Yaroslav the Wise even fleed to Scandinavia and he got help from the Varangians against his brother Svyatopolk. Yaroslav defeated his brother became the grand prince of Kiev in 1019.
BirkaViking 1 month ago
@199leg в любом случае в нас есть примесь финнов и норманнов, потому что нет абсолютно "чистых" наций. А также скифов и сарматов - много набрали наши предки-славяне - потомки венедов, двигаясь на восток, на место Киева, Полоцка, Новгорода и других древних городов. Другое дело, что нас это ни к чему не обязывает. Основа всё равно славянская.
И они (скандинавы) тоже с примесями, ничего особенного тут нет.
kenstarr2009 1 month ago