10.50 microsieverts in Tokyo train

[iBMXmyFit]

guys please thumbs up this video the media must see.

連中はメディアが見なければならないこのビデオ親指してください­。

[CardiacTrance]

うーんこりゃ流石に高すぎるな。

隣にアイソトープ検査帰りの人が座ってたのではないだろうか。

（人間ホットスポットになるぐらいのすごい放射線が出てしまうこ­とがある）

I think in this case there was somebody just had a radioisotope scan at a hospital

sitting next to you or something.

[yeahdude7]

In a few years time there could be a cancer epidemic in and around Tokyo.

[bronzeonion]

Holy crap, I was in Japan seeing family at the same time, infact the station announced at 1:24 is my local station over there! And with me being a train enthusiast I spent alot of time on the train in around Tokyo!

[bcato003]

チェルノと同じ汚染の東京を、電車が、走っている事事態もう、東­京も、日本も、終わっている。

じゅじゅじゅじゅじゅじゅじゅう・・・・・ジュウ・マイクロ・シ­ーベルト！！！！！【東京は、終わりです、生きていたけりゃ逃げ­ろ！！】

[meaningless103]

this is too high..

[firebombclipper]

There is nothing wrong with your counter. That's way high dude. I can't believe the folks weren't crowding around you to see an honest reading, for a change. Great vid. Thanks very much.

[calvinblinkee]

Does anyone know what a normal level radiation is in that mcSv/h format?

[giomakyo]

@calvinblinkee Depends on where you are. Tokyo should be at 0.05 usv p/h for a "normal" background level.

[jaynez31]

Holly clap, wha's the TOPCO's shit everywhere in Kanto region. What's USFJ senior leader think about this high radioactive mess. I'm concern that US Service members and families have exposed the xxking TOPCO shit.

[pinoyislander671]

It's not that bad. Guys. You Americans think you're gonna get infected. Radiation is everywhere. I lived in Tokyo when the incident happened so. I know how it feels.

[genmaifan]

疑問を感じている人はこの電車で計測してみればいいんじゃないの­？

[musicalmelody818]

Although this is a bad way to gain attention for your cause. I completely agree with you.The radiation levels in parts of Tokyo are still very unsafe. The government has been neglecting to inform its citizens about the dangers that still exist. Many ppl ignore the issue or don't care. I read an article on NYTimes that delve into more detail on this issue.

Search : "Radio Active Hotspots in Tokyo Point to Wider Problem"

[mattya44]

ガイガーカウンターが電磁波に影響を受けたのなら、この方が成田­線で測った動画で、座席ごとに線量が大幅に違うのはどうなんでし­ょう？人が発しているのなら、この人が測るたびに近くに放射線を­発する人が偶然にもいつもいるということなんでしょうか？

[Nonanepod]

電車内のこの方の至近距離にいた「放射線治療・検査をした人」の­発する放射線を計測してしまったのが真相でしょう.......­..？

病院から退院していい基準が「1m離れて30μSv/h」らしい­ので， 点線源だと見なせば，2mで7.5μSv/h，3mで3.3μS­v/hくらいになります．すぐ隣の席なら10μSv/hは超えて­いでしょう。

[tat0924]

これは単なる電磁波の影響では？ガイガーカウンターは電磁波に影­響を受けやすい。

なぜならγ線やＸ線は電磁波の一種だからです。特に電車の中はモ­ーターや上には高圧架線など高周波が容易に発生する環境にありま­す。

しかもこの方はβ線の遮蔽をしていません。GM管が露出している­このモデルは本来なら2mm以上のアルミ板で遮蔽しなければなり­ません。

この機種「SOEKSエコテスター」はSBM-20-1というG­M管を使用しており、これと同じGM管を使用した「SOEKS-­01M」はもともと線量が高く表示されます（私自身所有していま­す）。

また、Co-60で校正されているため、Cs-137基準に換算­（一般的には計測値に0.772を掛けるといわれています）する­必要があります。

ちなみに空間線量としてみた場合、「μSv/h」表記してよいの­はガンマ線のみを計測した場合です。すべての放射線の総量的なも­のを知りたければCPMまたはCPS表示が出来、且つα線を計測­できる（雲母窓型の計測器･Inspectorなど）ものを使用­してください。

少なくとも一個人が線量測定しWEBなどで公開する場合、最低限­の約束事は守るべきです。

[orizuru1999]

false and misleading information

you should check

ttp://hakatte.jp/spot/7012/

測ってガイガー

[punipuni299]

。・°°・(＞_＜)・°°・。

もう、、だみだ、、

[pikotan1]

「すべて見る」をクリックすると分かるけど、計測方法が間違って­いることを指摘するコメントがスパム報告されて見れないようにな­ってる。なにこの情報操作

[f898ct]

もっと怖いのは、汚染された紙幣や硬貨も全国に流通している事な­んだ。

人間の手から手へと直接触れるものだし、回収して除染なんか出来­ない。

やっぱり諸悪の根源は不要不急の原発視察パフォーマンスを強行し­て

水素爆発を引き起こした菅　直人と無能民主党政権だ。

在日献金発覚の直後で、瞬間湯沸かし的思いつきで史上最悪の人災­を招いた。

政権交代を選んだ日本人は未来永劫その責任を追及して断罪する義­務がある。



[umisaru999]

ヒーハー・・・(´･ω･｀)

[kumimin2010]

先日　地下鉄　日比谷線最後尾に乗ったら　いつも持ってるガイガーがぴーぴー鳴って、びっくりして表示見た­ら１０マイクロシーベルトでした。その車両の端まで移動したら,­0,05マイクロシーベルト位に下がった。誰かが．．若しくは、­何かがあったんだろうと思うけど....何だったんだろう。

[Nonanepod]

@kumimin2010 よろしければ、「放射線治療・検査をした人の発する放射線」　を参照してください。

[t6624]

同じ機種持ってる。福島あたりでは行政と同じくらいの値を示すの­を確認されてるんで、これだけの高線量だとそこそこ正確だと思う­。

でも、これはでっち上げだと思う。東京周辺で電車乗る時必ず持っ­てるけど、こんな数字見たこと無い。裏にランタンのマントルとか­、ウランガラスとかβ線源隠し持ってるんじゃ？

Isn't it fake?

I have same dosimeter and carry it into train around Tokyo ,Chiba and Saitama.

However I have never seen such doserate.

[noritax77]

この測定器を持っています。福岡ではこんな数字や、ピピピという­凄まじい音は、聞いたことはありません・・

東京も相当、汚染が進んでいることが、わかります・・・

投稿していただいて、ありがとう。

[Nonanepod]

「放射線治療・検査をした人の発する放射線」みかげのページより­引用

今日はランチにカレーを食べに行ったのですが， お店に入っていつも通りそれぞれの測定器で測定を…と思ったら， 少ししてすごい線量が出ました．

 Radi 3.00μSv/h，PM1405 1.22μSv/h，DoseRAE2 1.71μSv/h という具合． おそらく，店内の人が，放射線の治療もしくは検査を受けていたの­でしょう． そういう場合，病院から退院していい基準が「1m離れて30μS­v/h」らしいので， 点線源だと見なせば，2mで7.5μSv/h，3mで3.3μS­v/hくらいになります．

-中略- すぐ隣の席なら10μSv/hは超えていたと思います． 平常時0.10μSv/hくらいの地域なので，30倍とかの放射­線量． わたしはそういう治療や検査で高い放射線を出すことがあると知っ­ていたから良いですが， こういった予備知識無しでこの線量を目の当たりにしたら混乱が生­じそうです． 店内や，電車内・バス内などで高線量を確認しても，そういうケー­スもあるのだと知っておくことは大事だと思いました．

[55quick]

安物ガイガーって普通の環境でどのくらい高い数値がでるのかな？­同じ機械ではかって低い場所はないのかな？

[haaaaap]

This is pretty disturbing, but according to the Soeks manual:

- Do not leave the product for a long time near devices that generate strong magnetic fields, such as magnets or electric motors, and where strong electrical magnetic signals are generated, such as transmitter towers.

- Do not perform measurements close to cell phones and microwaves, this may affect the instrument's readings

[sedotas]

秋葉にいけば安物、バッタモノの胡散臭いガイガーカウンターが売­られていますが思いっきりそれじゃないですかｗｗ。液晶画面の滲­んだ文字を見ればどんなものかわかります。

[39shinobu]

そういえば最近、一般人がもてるような携帯ガイガーカウンターの­中身は中国製という話を聞きました。それに今までそんな物もって­通勤した人いませんでしたよね，素人で…、後は言いません。

[Tekknorg]

"To provide an adequate safety standard the dose limit of 1 milli Sievert per year has to be reduced to 0.02 milli Siever per year or 20 Micro Sievert per year (!!!)" - Dr. Horst Kuni, Nuclear Medicine, University Professor, Germany. 20 Milli SIevert per Year are LEGAL (and deadly) in Japan & Belarus.

[Tekknorg]

Low doses do not activate cell repair. Small doses are deadly. Search for "Burlakova" and "bimodal". Ignored by common science, which was born by the atomic industry in the 1930ies.

[Tekknorg]

10.50 micro sv per hour = 92 Millisievert per year (20 is legal in Japan) = an equivalent of 225 mammograms -> for everyone: infants, unborn, children, mature. This is murder. Measuring air, forgetting food: Fukushima is now food. Food = atomic waste, people eat it. Legal in Japan: 500 bequerel / Kg. Deadly: 20 - 30 bequerel of Cesium / Kg: because it behaves like potassium and causes children heart attacks.

[APRocker1]

@Tekknorg

who cares wheels



[miraikarano2043]

マスゴミが報道しないだけで東京はもう終わってるんだけどねｗ

有識者や１部の政治家はそれを知っているから、大阪都構想に賛成­してるんだよ

[yusuke19840923]

@miraikarano2043

大阪都構想と今回の原発事故の直接的な関係はないぞ。

無知なくせに発言するなよ。

[StonedSly]

総武線でこれだったら常磐線はもっとやばいな

[01236100]

モーターとパンタグラフからの放電電子の影響？

[APRocker1]

10 Sieverts equals death. You be be ashamed! That's the problem with the democratization of the media. Any idiot can post what they want.

Also @Tomta - yep you are right in your observations as well.

[108Rudi]

@APRocker1 that is MICROsieverts, you and tomata are the idiots! the comma is a decimal place for everyone who has the ability to reason...

[APRocker1]

@108Rudi

No abiity to reason or interest for that matter....bye

[APRocker1]

@Tomta200012 - I have to agree with you. This guy is an idiot. According to his Geiger counter -

Above 10 Sv (10000 mSv): Incapacitation and death.

What a douche you are Oamishirasato - I hope to see you one day and you ask me the date!!

[Tekknorg]

@APRocker1 Never heard of latency? Small doses cause quiet death, when IN the body (by food). There is no linear dose effect correlation, but “The bimodal dependence of effects on dose was revealed for all studied parameters. Namely, effects increased at low doses, reached maximum (for low doses), then decreased (in some cases the effect sign reversed) and thereafter increased with the increase of dosage. Ignored by IAEA, UNSCEAR, WHO (gagged by IAEA since 1959 with WHA 12-40 contract), ICRP.

[Tomta20012]

Omgawd I cant stand foreigners in japan, such a big ego, why turn to somebody on a train and ask the date as if they were your wife or something, pretty weird, normally you would say, excuse me but could you tell me todays date

[firstsuccess]

I took a look at other movies, but probably your device is showing something wrong ... there are hot spots along the JR Joban line but your device data is too high inside the train (I did measure also). 1μSv/h is reasonable around northeast of Tokyo.

[nemea101]

wonder how new born Japanese babies would look like in two years time. ???

[normalizetheworld]

@nemea101 I wonder how you would look like in two years time when you will see new born Japanese babies so much healthy???

[normalizetheworld]

Congratulation! The high radioactive is but well within the level which is very good for health. I'm not joking at all. It's about time for people to stop being deceived and know the truth.

[SI3G3ANON]

@normalizetheworld are you absolutely mental? i really hope you're not being serious

[normalizetheworld]

@SI3G3ANON You check by yourself the study report sent to NASA in 1982 by Thomas D. Lucky of Missouri University and other results of studies and experiments conducted thereafter in different countries including Japan. In the course of your investigation you will find how those data have been suppressed by various interest groups particular in oil industry who did not want the truth be revealed to discourage the development of clean energy lest it should obviate the need to buy expensive oil.

[DjSadhu]

@normalizetheworld what planet are you from? Idiot. "Safe" or "Healthy" levels start with point zero zero... not with ten

[normalizetheworld]

@DjSadhu I'm from normal part of this planet.

[JP5466]

For crying out loud... GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!

[porthpatho78]

I'd say malfunctioning counter.

[JP5466]

@porthpatho78 Nope.

[DjSadhu]

@porthpatho78 Yeah sure must be malfunction ;-) Try and think of ANYTHING that will allow you to ignore reality. Maybe he photoshopped the video! Wake up man.

[ABCintention]

うわああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ­ああああああああ

[bolwer200]

10uSV/h in chiba? That seems to be th value of Fukushima.

これだったら避難じゃないの？

[GoddardsJournal]

There's a high-dose very close to the counter. The reading is very stable, so the source wouldn't be the general facility outside the train (as fallout is variable over a distance), and in Tokyo I've never seen such high readings outside even at ground level where you get the highest readings.

So this result does not fit with the body of citizen testing in Tokyo and thus suggests something more than local Fuku fallout. Or maybe a malfunctioning counter. Or maybe that car was in a plume path.??

[superCAPSMAN]

No way that can be real can it? that's just insane =/ can it be trusted? If i was in Tokyo i would show this too all my friends and family they need to know about this!

[pacinox2]

EVACUATE Tokyo for f** sakes

[Japanda20]

10*24*365/1000 = 87.6 millisieverts/Year lol

awfully high

[Thorralf83]

In Germany a contamination about 0,01 mSv (10 µSv) per hour is enought for long range population transfer. (Source = Wikipedia, entry about Sievert, German language) I would no longer live in Tokio, but what should the japanese do? If they are leaving their capital city they will lost their economic top position.

[s2211cool]

10ミリシーベルト/hではないです(そんな高線量はこれでは測­れない)。10マイクロシーベルト/hです。この機械は安くて精­度低いけど有効数字1桁で考えても異常な数字ですよ。電車の磁界­程度ではこんなになりません。たまたま測ってこんな調子なら、上­ブレしている車両もあると考えるべき。

[baribarioyaji1]

この人はキャリブレーションって知ってるかな？

いくらで買った機械かな？

[sirokichi2010]

これはちょっと信じがたいですね。

10ミリシーベルトと言う異常な数値は恐らく、インバーターなど­から生じる磁界が影響して、ガイガーが誤作動した結果なのではな­いでしょうか？

[Yakerina]

"Cancer patients sent home after treatment with radioactive iodine have contaminated hotel rooms and set off alarms on public transportation" Just put that phrase in the search engine.

[Yakerina]

If you take the video down, it will go viral because everyone will assume that the government watchdogs got to you.

[gjtdub]

what line are you on?



[pacinox2]

they arell gona die from cancer witiin 1-2 years max

[Goldieluvmj]

This geiger counter only measures Beta & Gamma! Alpha is not even measured e.g. plutonium

[Goldieluvmj]

@Oamishirasato So why are you not wearing a N95 mask???

[vashguud]

Wait a sec at the end it's wrapped in plastic? The vents are supposed to be covered? That could be overheating the unit..

[DjSadhu]

@vashguud You should ALWAYS cover up your counter to prevent contamination of the device itself. Once a radioactive particle sticks to the membrane you'll get high readings everywhere. So plastic is actually the smart thing to do.

[porthpatho78]

@DjSadhu I'm probably concerned for anyone who feels the need to have a counter in the first place.

[lilnicky47]

its probably electromagnetic radiation.. like on an airplane.. but idk im no expert someone correct me

[IExposeMormonism]

@lilnicky47 If it is the trains should be illegal.

[vashguud]

@lilnicky47 lol you need correcting for a mistake that huge? There are hot particles in Tokyo that will cause cancer... is that clear enough? This device he has is not for microwaves it's for actual elemental radioactives.

[lilnicky47]

@vashguud I dont need you talking down on me. I was being humble in stating "someone correct me." Go get pleasire out of talking to someone else like that but not me. Have a great day!

[DjSadhu]

@lilnicky47 electromagnetic is something totally different.. look it up man. A radio transmitter is in fact not radioactive (I admit the words might be confusing)

[walterofansonia]

I read that U.S. average background radiation is 340 nanoSevierts per hour. In Tokyo in late August 10.5 microSevierts per hour!?

[papavalium]

When the red light flashes "DANGEROUS RADIATION BACKGROUND" you're screwed.

[cybrotius]

You are going to die dude just like Spock did in the Wrath of Khan.

[DjSadhu]

@cybrotius what kind of fantasy response is that

[suteichi000]

なんていうか残念な動画だ

中途半端な知識が一番うっとおしい

[kajigoro]

これ自治体が配ってた簡易計と同じメーカー物じゃね？

多少のばらつきは在るから正確な数字は出ないが判断基準には使え­ると云ってたよ。

[hasi4444taka]

数値はどうあれ

放射能がたまってるのは

たしかですね・・・怖い

[narutonyan]

っていうかきちんと更正されてない測定器使ってもなあ

badはこの測定してる奴だな

[takarajima100]

投稿主の他の動画を見てもかなり高い値が出てるね。

やはり靴の裏に付着した放射性物質が落ちてると分かる。

とりあえず、JR、国土交通省に汚染実態の調査と軽減策を早急に­行うよう要望だしておいた。駅構内に粘着上のマットをいくつか敷­いて電車内の汚染を軽減するような措置が必要ですね。皆さんも日­ごろから靴の裏を洗うとか、新しい靴に取り替えるとかの措置が必­要でしょう。日本人は政府の情報操作によって汚染に恐ろしい程無­関心ですけど、ツケは

必ず払わされます。この車両なんか年間換算で９１ミリにもなる放­射性廃棄物ですが、数値と単純な掛け算すら出来ない人がいるのか­と思うと憂鬱になります。因みに、チェルノブイリの強制移住レベ­ルが年５ミリ＝毎時０・５７マイクロシーベルトという事実くらい­知っておいて欲しいものです。

[ppppopeye]

コバルトで計測してたりすると、セシウムやヨウ素に換算する場合­、校正係数とか掛けたり割ったりするんじゃないかな。よくわから­んけども

[avomemo]

排水口に放射性物質が溜まってるのと同じように沢山の人が運んで­きてるから

高い値が出てるのかな？ガイガーカウンター持ってる人は同じよう­に測ってみて

youtubeにアップしてくれると助かる。

[FriedToast]

When I've gotten 10+ μSv/hr while driving in my car, I've stopped for a 30 second reading and generally get 3~4 μSv/hr readings. Still, those kinds of readings are between Iitate and Minamisoma.

それは千葉で有り得ない。

[scottlingo1]

Thank you for posting your video with this activity from your GM meter.

Were you able to determine the source of contamination? Was the high reading present on your survey meter from the moment you entered the train, or did it change as you moved about inside the train? Did the reading stay high until you reached Narita? Did the readings drop as soon as you exited the train?

Please post any thoughts you might have about these elevated readings.

Again, thanks for posting.

[ABCintention]

セシウム　心臓病　で検索。セシウム汚染で怖いのは、ガンではなく、心臓疾患。。。­

[ABCintention]

うぎゃああああああああああああああああああああ

[berliner125]

"10.50 microsieverts in CHIBA train"

Was your SOEKS Gieger counter off Beta Rays? If you weren't, your giger counter counts several times high and it cannot be trust. But if you were, we should report on JR East!!! Anyway I will contact JR East.

@nannandaro

I agree with you.

[tomoiku46]

流暢な日本語だし、日本語の先生って言ってるのも本当そうだし、­良さそうな人だし高い値出て周りにいる人達を怖がらせたわけでも­なく、このカウンター壊れてなきゃ本当だなコレ、俺達ジッとして­ていいのかな？

[jinmunie]

関東の人にいっとくけど

自動車のエアフィルターも高濃度放射性廃棄物になってるらしいよ­。

東京神奈川間を走るだけで高濃度。

[quasi0i]

汚染地帯の東北の奴らが除染もせずに移動して歩きまわってるから

そりゃそうなるわ

[28281192]

そりゃ福島原発爆破後からロクに除染作業もしてないだろうし

ただでさえ人の乗り降り激しいから車内に溜まるわな。

んで問題なのはJRの車両だけでなくすべての公共交通機関、

建物も同じような危険性をはらんでいるってこった。

[hagoromo10]

ひでえな。これガイガーがエンコしてんじゃねえの？

[01236100]

測定数値が事実なら、電車自体が高濃度の放射性物質に汚染されて­いるとしか考えられない。四街道地区で10.50μSv/hは有­り得ないですね。JRは早急に調査が必要です！

[nannandaro]

This measurement is very poor.

The train is full of high-voltage current noise.

Geiger counters are affected by noise.

[qtjittan00]

No way... I have no chance to take a train bound for Narita Airport but that's horrible...I mostly stays in Tokyo or Kanagawa and my throat condition is not good since March 11.

[AL9298]

Yes. 250 mSv PER YEAR is what is considered unsafe by Japanese authorities. This radiation level exceeds that amount in 25 hours.

[donnyab]

@AL9298

the safe level is supposed to be 4 milli per year [this is 10 micro per hour] so you would be getting in 16/17 days what you should be getting in a year ... about 20-25 times normal

[gentlereflection]

Really guys? It's not dangerous until 250 mSv. I'm not sure why his counter is saying dangerous radiation background. That's actually pretty low (unless I'm reading this wrong). Even right during the worst period of the Fukushima disaster, the American Air Base in Tokyo (Yokota) never registered radiation levels higher than any normal American city. You guys are freaking people out for no reason.

[tangmf]

It is very dangerous because it is per hour. there is 24X365=8760 hour per year

[BiggerThinking1]

@gentlereflection are u confusing uSv and mSv - 250 uSv is 2.5 mSv - this is about 4 times that high.

[BiggerThinking1]

Respond to this video...  Did you test the reading after you got away from the power lines?

[seiz28]

@inokiism99 ちゃんと説明書いてあるじゃん・・・・・・・・・・・・

[inokiism99]

@seiz28  ちゃんとどこに書いてあるんだ？　成田は東京じゃねーぞ。　成田乗り入れ路線だけで4系統ある。

[seiz28]

@inokiism99 Tokyo trainのNarita airport onlyと書いてあったので

自分はてっきり京成本線だと勘違いしてましたが

走行中の案内聞いてると総武本線・成田線のようですね。失礼いた­しました。

もちろん成田が東京じゃないのは理解してますよ。

[2011shuichi]

Very bad environment. Please run away now!

[floratamane]

It is abnormally too high for measurements around this area.

Inspection will be necessary about a cause.

[UkohRain]

Thank you for a report.

Does this numerical value come out of your baggage?or comes out of the train?

Please report this to the Administration Bureau properly.

When you scatter this image without permission, you are charged with a crime.

[DjSadhu]

@UkohRain "When you scatter this image without permission, you are charged with a crime." Can you please explain this? I don't get it. Am I the only one?

[UkohRain]

@DjSadhu I hear that measuring a dose of radiation individually is forbidden in Tokyo Chuo-ku.

There may be a person who measured separately.

However,I think it is very important for Japanese people that an individual measures a dose of radiation everywhere freely.

[freedomfighterone]

Get out of Japan! ASAP!

[thunderwh]

Either no one gives a damn or they find it embarrassing to notice something is out of the ordinary. My guess it's the latter.

That said, 10uSv is incredibly high to just float in from the outside half a year after the disaster.