I saw a bit of this in the movie "Transcendent Man." I recommend it to anybody who has not yet seen it. It's all about Kurzweil and of corse the DVD has extras, like Herbie Hancock and Stevie Wonder talking about him, and a Q&A session where he's asked a lot of doom and gloom questions, I guess because Hollywood has conditioned us to expect The Revolt of the Machines.
We didn't hear the whole snippet of music, but from what we heard, it didn't sound like a computer wrote it! Hell, computers can't write music that good even today. Plus, computers were very rare back then and most people didn't have access to them--this was long before the invention of the personal computer. How could the guy have guessed it was computer generated (unless the rest of the piece sounded a lot worse than the snippet we heard, or he made a lot more guesses than this clip showed?)
dam you can tell how dumb the people in this country are getting when the Miss America from the 1960's sounds like she has PHD or Masters and now your lucky if they can spell their name.
WHO CARES WHERE THE FUCK YOU FOUND THIS VIDEO?! DON'T GIVE THUMBS UP TO DICKWADS DEMANDING THUMBS UP JUST BECAUSE YOU READ THE SAME FUCKING WEBSITE AS THEM.
@koobecafmit yES, Yes, that's Bess Myerson (a Bronx girl) who was Miss America back in 1945. Better living through plastic had not yet arrived on the scene.
It's 1965. Computer have already been in existence decades by then and were quite common in businesses and offices. It wouldn't be that hard to guess.
Hi there I am Zorglub99 from year 2046, I just wanted to give you guys a heads-up about the singularity. It is awesome in here, its like virtual reality but it feels real. Everything looks, sounds, and feels like real life, but you can control it all with your imagination. Everything you can imagine, you can experience. I am looking forward to seeing you guys in here, its great fun!
@Malagraves Do you really think you are witty and clever with your comments? You make an ass of yourself just as much as the people you are commenting to. You make people like 4QBUD pissy and spam trash comments Don't you think just now and again, you could fuck off? BTW, This is coming from a 'thinking person.'
*treat others how you want to be treated* You think all those people are ignorant asses, well I think the same of you. Go watch a Christopher Hitchens video and chill the fuck out
@Malagraves I don't have the energy to be mad at you, I just felt like making a point and having some fun at the same time, but if you really think you are so far above these people intellectually, why bother responding to them? Just to get their gears working? To piss them off? That's just a form of trolling, I've probably done it too, but you do it A LOT.
i bet the believers of that day wouldn't believe it if i told them that one day those fancy computer/machines would be able to be used as life support someday.
1000 years ago you were thought to have been "Cavorting the Devil" if you did anything out of the norm. Today you call yourself Gods because you can rub two sticks together and make fire without your King putting you to death for it. What silly Children we are to believe that simply because we learn new things from the abilities built in us that we now are as the one who created us! Take this Hammer and show me what else you can do, Silly Humans! If you become proficient will you be another God?
@Malagraves Blow me and Guzzle the Jizz you Shit eater. Go fuck yourself. That dried piece of shit between your ears should be better used rather than a repository for the gibbering's you learn from your fellow dullard liberals. When you give up trying to pretend that you have something to say don't. No one wants to hear it.
Did I say Blow me? Oh yeah and about the trolling for christians, eat me. Thinking people, Hahaha like you can fool me in to believing you are a "Thinking person" Tool!
17 year old amazes the World and uses a Computer to write sheet music. Mo, he's not the first and he didn't invent the function, he simply did it also only at age 17 and from a place in Neyw Yoork City. Can you believe that. A kid from a place like that and he already knows how to plagiarize other peoples work as though it were his own.
Wow and way to go Future Man as we look, Back,,, into your Pasttttt…. Ouwwwwooooewahhhh BTW if he's 17 in 1965 can you guess how old he is today?
that is pretty cool however he should've played the music that was being written at the end of the clip. to gauge how similar it would've been to the original. Gurantee you 80% of that computer was empty boxes.
Computers composing completely original music one day will be pretty damn interesting to hear.. But this is a computer following a set pattern( or like that lady said 'algorithm'.)
I read the article in Time magazine & was not surprised to find this composition to be uninspired. Kurzweil may believe in the capacity of computers to generate and surpass what can be supremely transcendent, but I cannot see how.
It's not that hard to write music. You just put in some notes on chords, like what Kurzweil's computer's piece came up with. A melody is almost just random notes.
But for the music to be a masterpiece - I don't know if his computer could do that. Perhaps completely by chance.
This guy was a genius to do what he did at age 17, especially in 1965. What I'm surprised about is that people in 1965 were able to guess correctly that a computer composed the music, I'm surprised that they were even able to grasp such a concept b/c it's still an amazing thing for me today in 2011 that an AI can compose music.
@wrathy87 Yes! I was just at Borders, browsed through that article and yes it was confusing and scary sounding! But it is only theory, no one knows what the future will be like.
@gebregio Ahhh, what was confusing about it? I thought it was awesome.
As far as being scary, I think it is on one hand, but on the other hand WITHOUT the singularity I don't see a lot of hope for humanity. Things will definitely be very different, but I think it will be beneficial.
@mustachecrossing It will never happen,at teast on the lvl of singularity. all the cashiers,bamk tellers,mon and pop hardway sores,The cars of Detroit are now the cars of asia, but people will soon get backed into a corner and like the wounded animal, yes, times are gonna be hell before some sanity is restored.Do you smell a Revolution of some type?
@joeknee4767 Ehh not really. The powers that be have gotten very effective at diverting people's anger away from the people screwing them over, i.e. people love Walmart, Target, McDonald's etc but hate labor unions and nonprofits. As long as we keep blaming the unemployed for being unemployed, blaming the poor for being poor, etc no one will even take the time to notice the radical changes that neoliberalism has made to our economy over the last 30 years.
@mustachecrossing What was confusing is the tone from the author that introducing a new level of technology intelligence will end humanity as we know it, and that there are scientists that are ok with it.
How can it be benificial? Ok, I can see that maybe diseases would probably be deleted like files are on computers (that would be awesome), but overall it seems that only the super rich and the powerful are going to benifit from this or rule through this.
@mustachecrossing What was confusing is the tone from the author that introducing a new level of technology intelligence will end humanity as we know it, and that there are scientists that are ok with it?
How can it be benificial? Ok, I can see that maybe diseases would probably be deleted like files are on computers (that would be awesome), but overall it seems that only the super rich and the powerful are going to benifit from this or rule through this.
@gebregio Yeah, he mentions in passing that it's controversial, but doesn't really go into detail about what moral objections there may be and how they intend to overcome them. And that's a good point about social stratification - they seem to be under the impression that advances will benefit everyone, much like in the 50's and 60's people dreamed of a utopian future. While we have the capability of feeding, clothing, educating and providing medical care to the entire world, it isn't happening.
@gebregio: That is a very good reason to get rid of the corporate monopolies and oligarchies now, and to reduce the obscene concentration of wealth at the top. When these technologies come, human labor will become more and more obsolete. At that point, the ultra-rich can just ignore the people, or kill us off. Incidentally, that is one of the things the Unabomber was freaking out about.
@Malagraves And what if not technology allowed for the MASSIVE population growth over just the last few hundred years? You are worried about some being so prosperous that they would have the means to get rid of the rest? The only powers that could do that are governmental, and even that is limited. Obscene concentration of wealth at the top? We have a growing welfare system bigger than most governments AND the most billionaires in the world. lol, yea you are a thinker alright. Juvenile
@Clyaton: You said "The only powers that could do that are governmental, and even that is limited." You obviously have not read much Kurzweil. In the very near future, it is going to become increasingly easy to create bioengineered, self-replicating threats, such as modified viruses. The power to do so does not lie merely with governments, not even now.
@Malagraves You are correct there, I have not.. While it seems like a very valid concern, where are they? Oh, that's right, in the very near future.... I do worry about bioengineering don't get me wrong, but to rely on Kurzweil's words would simply be a political scientist trying to interpret an actual scientist's work. And if it is so damned easy, who is gonna stop it? Not you or I, so why put so much stock in bio-warfare scare talk? (not saying that's what kurzweil is doing)
@Clyaton: You also said: "Obscene concentration of wealth at the top? We have a growing welfare system bigger than most governments AND the most billionaires in the world."
@Malagraves A.K.A. we are a prosperous nation who takes care of the poor and needy (and not so poor and needy on top of that), with money from the top, because we are wealthy..... So we are doing exactly what you prefer ALREADY then?
@Malagraves Are we not in part prosperous because of these big corporations you want to abolish? I personally hate what corporations have become (individuals in the eyes of the law, often without consequence (LLC)),but to say they aren't big because they aren't efficient or effective and usually SERVE people in various ways is disingenuous. Most are and do. The rich being rich isn't a problem, usually what IS the problem is the laws that protect them, the favoritism shown to some over others.
What you are worried about is a few rich freaks like the Georgia Guide stone contributors killing off everyone with the consent of our government. Who cares if the rich could 'ignore' others anyway? Does this take away from everyone's ability to care for oneself? Your liberal collectivist thought is paradoxical, and you might as well be branded a socialist.
How would YOU get rid of corporate monopolies, through the power of the public? seize control? Use government force to steal? I want to hear what YOU would do, so that I might continue my criticism. Who are your political fav's? What is your political philosophy? What was the last book you read? The Communist Manifesto perhaps? Please do tell thinker
madputz, when satan tried to be as omnipotend as his creator, he and his followers were sent to hell, therefore i dont think it is God's idea to create a perfect being,but instead to just start something and see how far it goes.
@satychary AGREED!!!! Schools were better then than now. and so were woman ...elegant no janice dickinson behaviour and no Carrie Prejan here LoL we are lost nowdays!
Miss America used words like super-critical, mathematics, formula, and unusual, and example. I have never met a model or actress capable of such vocabulary.
Man's arrogance is never to be underestimated. Computers are machines that follow programs. In some cases sophisticated programs, but programs nevertheless. Wonders to us to be sure but they will never be sentient. They will always follow programs. They will be slaves, robots, etc. Man is truly sentient and will one day see God. How each man is received of God depends on that man's relationship with Jesus Christ. Then will begin a never ending wonder for man, either in heaven or hell.
@Malagraves ...a name that means prayer beads and graves.....or sickness and graves....hmmm....never mind. Your premise is unsubstantiated. Your debate "technique" is transparent. When did you stop beating your wife? Ad hominen is the last resort of vacant minds....and you had to start with that...poor fellow. Is there nothing of substance you have to offer? Here I AM. Declare if thou hast knowledge.
@KJVWordofGod: I put forth no premise. I asked you a question. You are the one making a bunch of unsupported and ridiculous assertions. Of course, given the name you choose to use on this forum, that is completely unsurprising. As for offering something of substance, I submit the following: people who claim knowledge of an afterlife are either fools or liars, and should not be trusted.
@Malagraves ..you are a liar..we are all liars. The only fool is one who declares words without knowledge. You have never been physically dead. You cannot claim no afterlife as you have no proof. I, on the other hand, have the witness of over 500 men who saw Jesus after his death. No matter that they lived before I was born. I also have the witness of the apostles who died for Jesus. Why would men die for a myth? And you did attack me ad hominem (again) with your assault on my moniker..duh!
@KJVWordofGod: Wrong again, fool. You tell me I cannot claim no afterlife, when in fact I never made such a claim. You have no witness of anything other than unsupported claims in a translated book of mythology. Why would men die for a myth? Because they are credulous fools, easily manipulated. You may want to learn the definition of ad hominem. Mere insults, such as I offered you, do not meet the criteria.
@Malagraves In fact did claim no afterlife claiming anyone with knowledge of it is a liar. Or at best agnostic in respect thereto. And you did meet the ad hominem requirement. Does it bother you so much to be called out on it? And you're still name calling. This subject must touch a nerve with you...why? Are you not confident in your own future? One should be sure of their ultimate situation. I AM. You should check out 23 minutes in hell....it's a book/audio/video. Don't go there.
@KJVWordofGod: No, I did not "in fact claim no afterlife." I said "people who claim knowledge of an afterlife are either fools or liars, and should not be trusted." That statement stands as true. It makes no claims whatsoever as to the existence or nonexistence of an afterlife. Then again, given the utter lack of credible evidence supporting the existence of one, it is perfectly reasonable to reject believing in such. That goes double for the specific afterlives described by theists.
@KJVWordofGod sorry KJWord boy, looks like you are simply not up to the job of arguing/ refuting anything Malagraves has to say...thanks for playing, now run along back the church sandbox and don't worry your simple mind about important things like this...just click your heels three times and repeat "Jesus loves me, Jesus loves me, Jesus loves me..."
DEC introduced the PDP-1 in 1960, most likely he found a kit version or something like that. I think he says he built it, he didn't claim to have created it.
As an IT professional this strikes me as faked. Guess what, relays cannot compose music. There was either some programming going on somewhere in an actual computer (doubtful in 1965) or else it was just a routine to transcribe music that was composed by a human.
About 40 years ago i read a book proposing that the next evolution of mankind would be machines (computers). homospiens would go extinct. He also proposed ufos are not piloted, but are themselves the inteligent entities. Similarly to what our future would be. Always thougt he had hit the nail in the head. APES TO MAN, TO COMPUTERS.
@agentdoubleozero We may not know that there is a god. But if so or if not, it is increasingly clear that the universe, evolution, and humanity are a mechanism to eventually produce a perfect being - God.
Mike Treder - in his articles for the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies - completely rips Kurzweil's arguments into shreds. The exponential growth of technological progress will be sidetracked by ethical, economic, political and environmental issues.
@OxygenBurglar if that's true, why hasn't all the ethical, economic, political and environmental issues of the past stop the growth of technological progress? If WW2, civil rights, water gate and 3 Mile Island didn't stop the growth of technology, I don't know what can.
@OxygenBurglar: Where exactly does he do that? Everything I have seen from him has been supportive of much of Kurzweil's predictions. Look at his review of The Singularity Is Near, for example.
@TheForwardGaze@satychary AGREED!!!! Schools were better then than now. and so were woman ...elegant no janice dickinson behaviour and no Carrie Prejan here LoL we are lost nowdays!
@TheForwardGaze@satychary AGREED!!!! Schools were better then than now. and so were woman ...elegant no janice dickinson behaviour and no Carrie Prejan here LoL we are lost nowdays! unfortunately
It's scary, very scary kiddies. I suspect technology suppression is much greater than most realize. All things hidden will be revealed and then... God save us.
I also suspect the internet is a tool to use us for creating artificial life.
quite impressive at 17 and in that time period. he's no dummy. but it's interesting to note that despite significant intellect he stills gets a lot wrong. like michiu kaku. it's all part of the weird reality that is humanity and what we truly are. for neither of them have realized the quite obvious that qualia is impossible in the physical thus proof that we are spiritual beings. for what is bool pain=true; but a bit set that falls short of sensation. the marvel is really that obvious. think
@DanFrederiksen Without any evidence of the supernatural and how it would prevent any of Kurzweil's ideas from taking place; I don't think it's fair to claim that our intelligence is not just the function of biological machines that can be recreated in different forms.
@pgdevil I have proof. I just don't know the nature of what the proof proves is real is.
you can make a robot have any reaction to any event. you can even make it actually intelligent like a chess computer is narrowly intelligent but no matter complexity it will never actually experience a sensation. nothing physical can. nothing in quantum mechanics has an experiential sideeffect. to the physical it is superfluous yet we have it. ergo we are more than the physical. pain is proof.
@pgdevil you will only understand if you try. there is no chance I could be wrong. none.
you can't just invoke a 'mind' and leave it at that. you imply that it would be the same yet you have no idea what we are. how can you then know it can be copied in the physical? of course you can't. because it can't.
you will only understand if you actually think. I know it's a radical thought but indulge me. just maybe thinking isn't so bad
This is the best video on YouTube. It has many layers.
Nallenbot 2 weeks ago in playlist Robotics
Thumbs up if you are still watching this in the year 2052!
TheArkaydian 1 month ago 2
this guy is a fuckin genius man, that's the kind of people we need.
Alex1591cali 3 months ago
Don't suppose there's a video of the full piece played?
TheScottKirk 3 months ago
Man! Kurzweil was an attractive looking kid.
Reliken 5 months ago 2
Our main instrument is a Kurzweil k2000 from 1990 in the group.
It´s not a coincidence.
ShareTheSphere 6 months ago
I love those 60s glasses.
ekszentrik 6 months ago
Who gives a shit who sent people here?
Depreciated10 6 months ago
Proof that evolution works both ways.
sjgraemail2 6 months ago 2
wow
06kachito 6 months ago
Kinda interesting. I explore these topics.
MysterEy1 6 months ago
A seminal moment, and nobody present knew it.
Majik47 7 months ago 4
Reminds me of the YouTube Clip "Look around you - computers"
sushimamba7 7 months ago
I saw a bit of this in the movie "Transcendent Man." I recommend it to anybody who has not yet seen it. It's all about Kurzweil and of corse the DVD has extras, like Herbie Hancock and Stevie Wonder talking about him, and a Q&A session where he's asked a lot of doom and gloom questions, I guess because Hollywood has conditioned us to expect The Revolt of the Machines.
SailorBarsoom 7 months ago
We didn't hear the whole snippet of music, but from what we heard, it didn't sound like a computer wrote it! Hell, computers can't write music that good even today. Plus, computers were very rare back then and most people didn't have access to them--this was long before the invention of the personal computer. How could the guy have guessed it was computer generated (unless the rest of the piece sounded a lot worse than the snippet we heard, or he made a lot more guesses than this clip showed?)
TimothyArends 8 months ago
dam you can tell how dumb the people in this country are getting when the Miss America from the 1960's sounds like she has PHD or Masters and now your lucky if they can spell their name.
badaboomrock 8 months ago 2
@badaboomrock Omg i was thinking exactly the same thing. She was gorgeous and well spoken.
hoes87 8 months ago
@badaboomrock And Australia is following you all the way.
Gumardee 7 months ago
he was handsome back then
graciauser 8 months ago
what an ugly little kike!
BlackJackLanza 8 months ago in playlist I've Got A Secret
@BlackJackLanza
You are disgusting.
swarze 8 months ago
@BlackJackLanza I lol'd
cbappa2 8 months ago
that time magazine article blew my mind
TheMrkanyewest 9 months ago
WHO CARES WHERE THE FUCK YOU FOUND THIS VIDEO?! DON'T GIVE THUMBS UP TO DICKWADS DEMANDING THUMBS UP JUST BECAUSE YOU READ THE SAME FUCKING WEBSITE AS THEM.
mchenrinson 9 months ago
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@mchenrinson GIVE ME A THUMBS UP IF YOU HAVE LEGS AND ARMS
KevinDolin 9 months ago
It already is well past the year 2045. We are but the simulations in a post-human society living in a fog of ignorance.
nogginyt 10 months ago 4
Wow, beauty queens were once intelligent too...
koobecafmit 10 months ago 67
@koobecafmit Yup and actresses as well. Look up Hedy Lamarr. I found out about her this semester in my communication networks class.
aakside 9 months ago
@koobecafmit yES, Yes, that's Bess Myerson (a Bronx girl) who was Miss America back in 1945. Better living through plastic had not yet arrived on the scene.
bronxboy1952 6 months ago
so how does man become immortal??
antmiu2 10 months ago
@antmiu2 Read "The Singularity is Near"
InfiniVide 10 months ago
I came here from the Time's article, and I think Ray is going to be the cause of people from the future coming to our time, and "Taking our jobs".
faethor7 10 months ago
@faethor7 Darned Goo Backs
GeekBoy03 10 months ago
@faethor7 if people came from the future, they'd already be here.
loldoctor 9 months ago
the dude who guessed it was totally in on it... theres no way someone back then would have been able to guess it and been so blase about it
lceman11 10 months ago 2
@lceman11
It's 1965. Computer have already been in existence decades by then and were quite common in businesses and offices. It wouldn't be that hard to guess.
LastEmperor28 10 months ago
This article in Time Magazine was really interesting. first time I heard about the "singularity" concept.
Fiveotheband 11 months ago
@spidy05 me too! :D
ohsoskinny305 11 months ago
Hi there I am Zorglub99 from year 2046, I just wanted to give you guys a heads-up about the singularity. It is awesome in here, its like virtual reality but it feels real. Everything looks, sounds, and feels like real life, but you can control it all with your imagination. Everything you can imagine, you can experience. I am looking forward to seeing you guys in here, its great fun!
Bulgroz99 11 months ago 19
@Bulgroz99 do you have any friends there ?
can you enjoy some time with a girl? if you know what I mean...
MsBraidBreaker 1 month ago
@MsBraidBreaker Are you hitting on me? I have a lot of imaginative friends and girlfriends, the real ones suck.
Bulgroz99 1 month ago
A TYPEWRITER!?!?!?!?!
scubielouie 11 months ago
Sampled pianos suuuuck!
mastashaker916 11 months ago
how did they get that in just 2 guesses?
ff2paladin 11 months ago 5
@ff2paladin It's almost like the show was fixed.
fishnchunks 10 months ago
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Heopful 11 months ago
@MikeFromTheUK1: Would you care to provide an example, or are you passing wind?
Malagraves 11 months ago
@Malagraves Do you really think you are witty and clever with your comments? You make an ass of yourself just as much as the people you are commenting to. You make people like 4QBUD pissy and spam trash comments Don't you think just now and again, you could fuck off? BTW, This is coming from a 'thinking person.'
*treat others how you want to be treated* You think all those people are ignorant asses, well I think the same of you. Go watch a Christopher Hitchens video and chill the fuck out
Clyaton 11 months ago
@Clyaton: The entertaining mad-on you provided is reward enough, thanks.
Malagraves 11 months ago
@Malagraves I don't have the energy to be mad at you, I just felt like making a point and having some fun at the same time, but if you really think you are so far above these people intellectually, why bother responding to them? Just to get their gears working? To piss them off? That's just a form of trolling, I've probably done it too, but you do it A LOT.
Clyaton 11 months ago
i bet the believers of that day wouldn't believe it if i told them that one day those fancy computer/machines would be able to be used as life support someday.
whiterabit998 11 months ago
Those were the days when you could actually fall in love with Miss America...
dsawatzky 11 months ago
came here, aft reading article : 'singularity' - Time.
SGbranz 1 year ago
HOLY SHIT this is culture
secret260 1 year ago
I can hear it.
222billcarlin222 1 year ago
Um, am I the only one who can't hear it?
thinkhmm 1 year ago
where's the sound?
thinkhmm 1 year ago
1000 years ago you were thought to have been "Cavorting the Devil" if you did anything out of the norm. Today you call yourself Gods because you can rub two sticks together and make fire without your King putting you to death for it. What silly Children we are to believe that simply because we learn new things from the abilities built in us that we now are as the one who created us! Take this Hammer and show me what else you can do, Silly Humans! If you become proficient will you be another God?
4QBUD 1 year ago
@4QBUD: Take your foolish religious trolling elsewhere. Thinking people are having a discussion.
Malagraves 11 months ago
@Malagraves Blow me and Guzzle the Jizz you Shit eater. Go fuck yourself. That dried piece of shit between your ears should be better used rather than a repository for the gibbering's you learn from your fellow dullard liberals. When you give up trying to pretend that you have something to say don't. No one wants to hear it.
Did I say Blow me? Oh yeah and about the trolling for christians, eat me. Thinking people, Hahaha like you can fool me in to believing you are a "Thinking person" Tool!
4QBUD 11 months ago
17 year old amazes the World and uses a Computer to write sheet music. Mo, he's not the first and he didn't invent the function, he simply did it also only at age 17 and from a place in Neyw Yoork City. Can you believe that. A kid from a place like that and he already knows how to plagiarize other peoples work as though it were his own.
Wow and way to go Future Man as we look, Back,,, into your Pasttttt…. Ouwwwwooooewahhhh BTW if he's 17 in 1965 can you guess how old he is today?
4QBUD 1 year ago
@4QBUD I ask that only so someone can actually learn something from this episode.
4QBUD 1 year ago
that is pretty cool however he should've played the music that was being written at the end of the clip. to gauge how similar it would've been to the original. Gurantee you 80% of that computer was empty boxes.
Computers composing completely original music one day will be pretty damn interesting to hear.. But this is a computer following a set pattern( or like that lady said 'algorithm'.)
Heopful 1 year ago
@Heopful: You don't seem to know how algorithms work, nor do you seem aware of the size of computers from that era.
Malagraves 11 months ago
Cylons and Skynet are mankinds realities as long as we allow the godless to continue down this path. mans demise in the making.
pokerfacecom 1 year ago
@pokerfacecom: You are totally right. Cylons, Skynet, and God belong in the same sentence. Do you know why?
Malagraves 11 months ago
coolness!!!one of the greatest minds in history,,
samallche7 1 year ago
Impressive, but there's always the chance that she could've been coached.
Remember the Quiz Show scandals of this era...
jbperez808 1 year ago
Oh my god, look at how young ray was! He actually looks a bit like venomfangx.
TheJamesrocket 1 year ago
Thumbs up if Rob Roy sent you.
dbl1 1 year ago
I read the article in Time magazine & was not surprised to find this composition to be uninspired. Kurzweil may believe in the capacity of computers to generate and surpass what can be supremely transcendent, but I cannot see how.
alleluiacone26 1 year ago
THUMBS UP IF YOU WERE SENT HERE FROM TIME MAGAZINE. Now pat yourself on the back. You're awesome.
dag101101 1 year ago 125
lol just the front cover of that issue made me read all of it and come to this
ElPlosh 7 months ago
@dag101101 Knowledge grows exponentially.Possibilities are endless.
Mobowah 6 months ago
0:30, 2:09
TEOutfit 1 year ago
0:33,
TEOutfit 1 year ago
he was pretty hot :)
HeyJudeFace 1 year ago
Damn! This video is prehistoric!
harrymuse 1 year ago
3 people are scared of the singularity.
ushockey08 1 year ago
i found this video trew 2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal nice eh? anyone else?
spidy05 1 year ago 230
@spidy05 Me too :-)
AnExplorer1000 1 year ago
@spidy05 I did, just read the article today in spare time at school, great read
HardbeatAcolyte 1 year ago
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@spidy05 That's why I saw this too.
hotdad34 11 months ago
@spidy05 Me too.
RocMegamanX 8 months ago
I like it... a lot!
WINGCHUN619 7 months ago
Thumbs up if you're here cuz you read TIME magazine!!!
bigdaddy843 1 year ago 111
Singularity. Sh*t.
TheCityOfKingsALC 1 year ago
It's not that hard to write music. You just put in some notes on chords, like what Kurzweil's computer's piece came up with. A melody is almost just random notes.
But for the music to be a masterpiece - I don't know if his computer could do that. Perhaps completely by chance.
Still pretty impressive, though. At 17.
leelokyan1923 1 year ago
This is VERY Impressive! WOW 17 yrs old!
LoreeEvans 1 year ago
Building a computer that can write music at 17... Nowadays you have to have some type of degree just to get a program to say "Hello World!"
I3L4NK 1 year ago
This guy was a genius to do what he did at age 17, especially in 1965. What I'm surprised about is that people in 1965 were able to guess correctly that a computer composed the music, I'm surprised that they were even able to grasp such a concept b/c it's still an amazing thing for me today in 2011 that an AI can compose music.
gothatway09 1 year ago
Has anyone read TIME February 21 2011??? READ IT it will Blow you away ! i only got to the second page then things got too confusing! XD
wrathy87 1 year ago 5
@wrathy87 dude the singularity already happened a long time ago, google Stephen Thaler
3xXlovepainXx3 1 year ago
@3xXlovepainXx3 waddya mean?
wrathy87 1 year ago
@wrathy87 Yes! I was just at Borders, browsed through that article and yes it was confusing and scary sounding! But it is only theory, no one knows what the future will be like.
gebregio 1 year ago
@gebregio Ahhh, what was confusing about it? I thought it was awesome.
As far as being scary, I think it is on one hand, but on the other hand WITHOUT the singularity I don't see a lot of hope for humanity. Things will definitely be very different, but I think it will be beneficial.
mustachecrossing 1 year ago
@mustachecrossing It will never happen,at teast on the lvl of singularity. all the cashiers,bamk tellers,mon and pop hardway sores,The cars of Detroit are now the cars of asia, but people will soon get backed into a corner and like the wounded animal, yes, times are gonna be hell before some sanity is restored.Do you smell a Revolution of some type?
joeknee4767 1 year ago
@joeknee4767 Ehh not really. The powers that be have gotten very effective at diverting people's anger away from the people screwing them over, i.e. people love Walmart, Target, McDonald's etc but hate labor unions and nonprofits. As long as we keep blaming the unemployed for being unemployed, blaming the poor for being poor, etc no one will even take the time to notice the radical changes that neoliberalism has made to our economy over the last 30 years.
mustachecrossing 1 year ago
@mustachecrossing and you're a communist right?
Tezcax 1 year ago
@mustachecrossing What was confusing is the tone from the author that introducing a new level of technology intelligence will end humanity as we know it, and that there are scientists that are ok with it.
How can it be benificial? Ok, I can see that maybe diseases would probably be deleted like files are on computers (that would be awesome), but overall it seems that only the super rich and the powerful are going to benifit from this or rule through this.
gebregio 1 year ago
@mustachecrossing What was confusing is the tone from the author that introducing a new level of technology intelligence will end humanity as we know it, and that there are scientists that are ok with it?
How can it be benificial? Ok, I can see that maybe diseases would probably be deleted like files are on computers (that would be awesome), but overall it seems that only the super rich and the powerful are going to benifit from this or rule through this.
gebregio 1 year ago
@gebregio Yeah, he mentions in passing that it's controversial, but doesn't really go into detail about what moral objections there may be and how they intend to overcome them. And that's a good point about social stratification - they seem to be under the impression that advances will benefit everyone, much like in the 50's and 60's people dreamed of a utopian future. While we have the capability of feeding, clothing, educating and providing medical care to the entire world, it isn't happening.
mustachecrossing 1 year ago
@gebregio: That is a very good reason to get rid of the corporate monopolies and oligarchies now, and to reduce the obscene concentration of wealth at the top. When these technologies come, human labor will become more and more obsolete. At that point, the ultra-rich can just ignore the people, or kill us off. Incidentally, that is one of the things the Unabomber was freaking out about.
Malagraves 11 months ago
@Malagraves And what if not technology allowed for the MASSIVE population growth over just the last few hundred years? You are worried about some being so prosperous that they would have the means to get rid of the rest? The only powers that could do that are governmental, and even that is limited. Obscene concentration of wealth at the top? We have a growing welfare system bigger than most governments AND the most billionaires in the world. lol, yea you are a thinker alright. Juvenile
Clyaton 11 months ago
@Clyaton: You said "The only powers that could do that are governmental, and even that is limited." You obviously have not read much Kurzweil. In the very near future, it is going to become increasingly easy to create bioengineered, self-replicating threats, such as modified viruses. The power to do so does not lie merely with governments, not even now.
Malagraves 11 months ago
@Malagraves You are correct there, I have not.. While it seems like a very valid concern, where are they? Oh, that's right, in the very near future.... I do worry about bioengineering don't get me wrong, but to rely on Kurzweil's words would simply be a political scientist trying to interpret an actual scientist's work. And if it is so damned easy, who is gonna stop it? Not you or I, so why put so much stock in bio-warfare scare talk? (not saying that's what kurzweil is doing)
Clyaton 11 months ago
@Clyaton: You also said: "Obscene concentration of wealth at the top? We have a growing welfare system bigger than most governments AND the most billionaires in the world."
That is exactly my point.
Malagraves 11 months ago
@Malagraves A.K.A. we are a prosperous nation who takes care of the poor and needy (and not so poor and needy on top of that), with money from the top, because we are wealthy..... So we are doing exactly what you prefer ALREADY then?
Clyaton 11 months ago
@Malagraves Are we not in part prosperous because of these big corporations you want to abolish? I personally hate what corporations have become (individuals in the eyes of the law, often without consequence (LLC)),but to say they aren't big because they aren't efficient or effective and usually SERVE people in various ways is disingenuous. Most are and do. The rich being rich isn't a problem, usually what IS the problem is the laws that protect them, the favoritism shown to some over others.
Clyaton 11 months ago
What you are worried about is a few rich freaks like the Georgia Guide stone contributors killing off everyone with the consent of our government. Who cares if the rich could 'ignore' others anyway? Does this take away from everyone's ability to care for oneself? Your liberal collectivist thought is paradoxical, and you might as well be branded a socialist.
Clyaton 11 months ago
How would YOU get rid of corporate monopolies, through the power of the public? seize control? Use government force to steal? I want to hear what YOU would do, so that I might continue my criticism. Who are your political fav's? What is your political philosophy? What was the last book you read? The Communist Manifesto perhaps? Please do tell thinker
Clyaton 11 months ago
Are you Michael Moore's bitch?
Clyaton 11 months ago
@wrathy87 666 days until Dec. 21 , 2012.
DickiLeaks 1 year ago
madputz, when satan tried to be as omnipotend as his creator, he and his followers were sent to hell, therefore i dont think it is God's idea to create a perfect being,but instead to just start something and see how far it goes.
agentdoubleozero 1 year ago
What is surprising about the model being articulate? That she is female and also intelligent?
What is surprising is the expression of surprise :)
satychary 1 year ago
@satychary AGREED!!!! Schools were better then than now. and so were woman ...elegant no janice dickinson behaviour and no Carrie Prejan here LoL we are lost nowdays!
pipitta21 1 year ago
Miss America used words like super-critical, mathematics, formula, and unusual, and example. I have never met a model or actress capable of such vocabulary.
cmcrossey 1 year ago 3
Man's arrogance is never to be underestimated. Computers are machines that follow programs. In some cases sophisticated programs, but programs nevertheless. Wonders to us to be sure but they will never be sentient. They will always follow programs. They will be slaves, robots, etc. Man is truly sentient and will one day see God. How each man is received of God depends on that man's relationship with Jesus Christ. Then will begin a never ending wonder for man, either in heaven or hell.
KJVWordofGod 1 year ago
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fokionzervoudakis 1 year ago
@KJVWordofGod Can you really expect to be taken seriously from an intellectual standpoint?
Malagraves 1 year ago
@Malagraves ...a name that means prayer beads and graves.....or sickness and graves....hmmm....never mind. Your premise is unsubstantiated. Your debate "technique" is transparent. When did you stop beating your wife? Ad hominen is the last resort of vacant minds....and you had to start with that...poor fellow. Is there nothing of substance you have to offer? Here I AM. Declare if thou hast knowledge.
KJVWordofGod 1 year ago
@KJVWordofGod: I put forth no premise. I asked you a question. You are the one making a bunch of unsupported and ridiculous assertions. Of course, given the name you choose to use on this forum, that is completely unsurprising. As for offering something of substance, I submit the following: people who claim knowledge of an afterlife are either fools or liars, and should not be trusted.
Malagraves 1 year ago
@Malagraves ..you are a liar..we are all liars. The only fool is one who declares words without knowledge. You have never been physically dead. You cannot claim no afterlife as you have no proof. I, on the other hand, have the witness of over 500 men who saw Jesus after his death. No matter that they lived before I was born. I also have the witness of the apostles who died for Jesus. Why would men die for a myth? And you did attack me ad hominem (again) with your assault on my moniker..duh!
KJVWordofGod 1 year ago
@KJVWordofGod: Wrong again, fool. You tell me I cannot claim no afterlife, when in fact I never made such a claim. You have no witness of anything other than unsupported claims in a translated book of mythology. Why would men die for a myth? Because they are credulous fools, easily manipulated. You may want to learn the definition of ad hominem. Mere insults, such as I offered you, do not meet the criteria.
Malagraves 1 year ago
@Malagraves In fact did claim no afterlife claiming anyone with knowledge of it is a liar. Or at best agnostic in respect thereto. And you did meet the ad hominem requirement. Does it bother you so much to be called out on it? And you're still name calling. This subject must touch a nerve with you...why? Are you not confident in your own future? One should be sure of their ultimate situation. I AM. You should check out 23 minutes in hell....it's a book/audio/video. Don't go there.
KJVWordofGod 11 months ago
@KJVWordofGod: No, I did not "in fact claim no afterlife." I said "people who claim knowledge of an afterlife are either fools or liars, and should not be trusted." That statement stands as true. It makes no claims whatsoever as to the existence or nonexistence of an afterlife. Then again, given the utter lack of credible evidence supporting the existence of one, it is perfectly reasonable to reject believing in such. That goes double for the specific afterlives described by theists.
Malagraves 11 months ago
@KJVWordofGod: As for "23 minutes in hell," what a joke. No thinking person would be swayed by such nonsense.
Malagraves 11 months ago
@KJVWordofGod sorry KJWord boy, looks like you are simply not up to the job of arguing/ refuting anything Malagraves has to say...thanks for playing, now run along back the church sandbox and don't worry your simple mind about important things like this...just click your heels three times and repeat "Jesus loves me, Jesus loves me, Jesus loves me..."
oneirishpoet 11 months ago
DEC introduced the PDP-1 in 1960, most likely he found a kit version or something like that. I think he says he built it, he didn't claim to have created it.
leenstl 1 year ago
Surely his name is pronouced KurtsVile!
samthegreencat47 1 year ago
we are borg. Resistance is not futile one man can make a difference.
TheTime4solutions 1 year ago
As an IT professional this strikes me as faked. Guess what, relays cannot compose music. There was either some programming going on somewhere in an actual computer (doubtful in 1965) or else it was just a routine to transcribe music that was composed by a human.
leenstl 1 year ago
@leenstl Do more research on this machine, it was not faked.
MadPutz 1 year ago
@leenstl: So much for your credentials.
Malagraves 1 year ago
Cool beans maynard!
JoeyBravo1 1 year ago
About 40 years ago i read a book proposing that the next evolution of mankind would be machines (computers). homospiens would go extinct. He also proposed ufos are not piloted, but are themselves the inteligent entities. Similarly to what our future would be. Always thougt he had hit the nail in the head. APES TO MAN, TO COMPUTERS.
agentdoubleozero 1 year ago
@agentdoubleozero We may not know that there is a god. But if so or if not, it is increasingly clear that the universe, evolution, and humanity are a mechanism to eventually produce a perfect being - God.
MadPutz 1 year ago
does anyone know where to hear the full piece? I would like to juge by myself...
butterf1yz 1 year ago
Kurzweil's gospel axe has been swung for far too long.
OxygenBurglar 1 year ago
Incredibly gifted at 17!!
cacaolover1 1 year ago
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Ray Kurzweil is a nut and he wont be needed in the future
id1337x 1 year ago
Mike Treder - in his articles for the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies - completely rips Kurzweil's arguments into shreds. The exponential growth of technological progress will be sidetracked by ethical, economic, political and environmental issues.
OxygenBurglar 1 year ago
@OxygenBurglar if that's true, why hasn't all the ethical, economic, political and environmental issues of the past stop the growth of technological progress? If WW2, civil rights, water gate and 3 Mile Island didn't stop the growth of technology, I don't know what can.
AAL 1 year ago
@OxygenBurglar Subtract all of that bullshit, it's probably still pretty close.
Pacinofan78 1 year ago
@OxygenBurglar But what about the Zeitgeist movement in correlation with Kurzweil's thoughts?
Thimblefish 1 year ago
@OxygenBurglar: Where exactly does he do that? Everything I have seen from him has been supportive of much of Kurzweil's predictions. Look at his review of The Singularity Is Near, for example.
Malagraves 1 year ago
Who's the guy who guessed that the piece had been written by a computer?
questionch 1 year ago
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Ray Kurzeweil doesn't know shit about music. Fuck.
dmCraz 1 year ago
@dmCraz Hee hee, yeah, okay; tell that to Stevie Wonder.
speedysavant 1 year ago 2
man jews are teh smartests
bobjimjones 1 year ago
@bobjimjones The Chosen Ones indeed
Devilboy668 1 year ago
The beauty pageant winner was surprisingly articulate. How things have changed.
TheForwardGaze 1 year ago 152
@TheForwardGaze I was thinking just that.
bluejester28 1 year ago
@TheForwardGaze My thoughts exactly.
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@TheForwardGaze @satychary AGREED!!!! Schools were better then than now. and so were woman ...elegant no janice dickinson behaviour and no Carrie Prejan here LoL we are lost nowdays!
pipitta21 1 year ago
@TheForwardGaze @satychary AGREED!!!! Schools were better then than now. and so were woman ...elegant no janice dickinson behaviour and no Carrie Prejan here LoL we are lost nowdays! unfortunately
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@TheForwardGaze Impressive, but there's always the chance that she could've been coached.
Remember the Quiz Show scandals of this era...
jbperez808 1 year ago
@TheForwardGaze - According to Wikipedia, Bess Myerson ran for Senate in 1980. Not articulate enough to win, I guess, but it was a "close margin."
kahunna 11 months ago
he's a freakin genius thats what he is
haha he looks so different..yet still sounds the same after 40 or so years :P
jtaylor1mybaby 1 year ago 5
@jtaylor1mybaby Yeah to have built a computer like that back in 1965 and only 17?? That's just crazy...
Swazic 1 year ago
It's scary, very scary kiddies. I suspect technology suppression is much greater than most realize. All things hidden will be revealed and then... God save us.
I also suspect the internet is a tool to use us for creating artificial life.
caveatemp 2 years ago
quite impressive at 17 and in that time period. he's no dummy. but it's interesting to note that despite significant intellect he stills gets a lot wrong. like michiu kaku. it's all part of the weird reality that is humanity and what we truly are. for neither of them have realized the quite obvious that qualia is impossible in the physical thus proof that we are spiritual beings. for what is bool pain=true; but a bit set that falls short of sensation. the marvel is really that obvious. think
DanFrederiksen 2 years ago
What is a spirit?
pgdevil 2 years ago
@pgdevil I do not know. I have only identified the spiritual. I have no idea what it is
DanFrederiksen 2 years ago
@DanFrederiksen Without any evidence of the supernatural and how it would prevent any of Kurzweil's ideas from taking place; I don't think it's fair to claim that our intelligence is not just the function of biological machines that can be recreated in different forms.
pgdevil 2 years ago
@pgdevil I have proof. I just don't know the nature of what the proof proves is real is.
you can make a robot have any reaction to any event. you can even make it actually intelligent like a chess computer is narrowly intelligent but no matter complexity it will never actually experience a sensation. nothing physical can. nothing in quantum mechanics has an experiential sideeffect. to the physical it is superfluous yet we have it. ergo we are more than the physical. pain is proof.
DanFrederiksen 2 years ago
@DanFrederiksen
Watch this:
/watch?v=X85Lpuczy3E
Empirical proof is the standard skeptical people go by. Imagine if that artificial hand was hooked up to an artificial mind, instead of a human mind.
pgdevil 2 years ago
@pgdevil you will only understand if you try. there is no chance I could be wrong. none.
you can't just invoke a 'mind' and leave it at that. you imply that it would be the same yet you have no idea what we are. how can you then know it can be copied in the physical? of course you can't. because it can't.
you will only understand if you actually think. I know it's a radical thought but indulge me. just maybe thinking isn't so bad
DanFrederiksen 2 years ago
He was just as confident and well poised at 17. His list of accomplishments is pretty astounding.
MrReadingman 2 years ago