I am completely baffled as to why "exceptional" would mean what this guy is twisting it into. If you know the Plan of Salvation, and your friends don't it doesn't mean that God thinks those who don't understand it are any less important than you, and I don't think the mission president meant that either. This is the essence of why the Lord suffered through the Atonement. When you are nit picking at this level, it means you are on the prowl for an excuse long before you think you found one.
Umm......I am not sure why he was concerned about one cinder-block church being built on a First Nations reservation. I have seen beautiful brick churches on reservations. There is a huge one in Chinle. The way a church is built has everything to do with the person in charge of the project, and the funding alocated for attendance. Our small branch building has a stick frame structure , and most of the members here are of European ansestry.....it must mean that the church is out to get us
From what i've read here, many people are very ignorant, scared of the truth. That being said. You have your right to your opinions and that is gods greatest gift to man; freedom of choice. However, what choice you make will affect you for the rest of your life and eventually will judge you in the end. You do not have to listen to other mormons testimonies. You can find your own answers thru prayer and seeking the truth. Find out for yourselves. the answer is closer than you think. God bless.
so someone says that you are the "exception" and you got offended...and the reason you got offended is because all you can see is skin color and not spirituality. If you could just strip away the skin color issues you have on this for a moment, and consider that statement again, in the spiritual sense, and you will see that it is true and NOTHING to be offended about.
Jesus said straight is the gate and narrow the way that leads to eternal life. THAT means EXCEPTION. Should we be offended?
mormonanswerman This is nowhere to be found in the HOLY BIBLE it is only in MORMON SCRIPTURES this is not Christianity of Jesus Christ its Racism of the DEVIL REPENT!
"...the Lord God did cause a skin of BLACKNESS to come upon them (Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5:21)"
"And the skins..were DARK,according to the MARK which was set upon their fathers..which WAS A CURSE upon them...(Book of Mormon,Alma 3:6)"
"and the CURSING which hath come upon their skins...(Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:5)"
@Ilegalplayer The scriptures you choose to quote and base your racist comments on have nothing to do with people of African heritage. To ease your pain a little you would do well to understand that this "blackness" has to do with tattoos, and simply self imposed generation after generation...It is pitiful how you add "(BLACK AFRICANS)" to gods scriptures.
Leave it to a MORmON, a person devoted to the white & delightsome based & advocating Book of MORmON as scripture to tell some one else to settle down on the skin color issue. MORmONS!
@mormonanswerman Hey mormonman How does the Lord tell YOU if something is true? Tell us. Jesus wasn't a mormon. Where does it say "mormon" in the holy bible? You have alot to learn from native americans pal.
@beone011 "Mormon" isn't in the Bible Sherlock....it is the name of a man that kept ancient records safe on the American continents about 1800 years ago. I don't understand why people get offended by the idea that the Lord cared about everyone in the world, and not just the people in Judeah and Europe. Before the Lord left to return to his Father after he was resurected he said "other sheep I have, which are not of this fold, them also I must bring...."John 10:16, Now that is in the Bible
@OneCrazyAuntie Hey crazy auntie, your brainwashed. Jesus didnt preach 'mormon' crap even if he visited other sheep now did he. Did jesus say to be a 'mormon' anywhere?Your religion teaches racism against blacks and native americans this is bullshit. If I called YOU cursed and filthy you would react the same. see "mormon lady went to hell" on youtube. The Truth
@mormonanswerman WOW ! that quip, that pathetic attempt to take the higher ground to get the upper hand on race matters coming from a MORmON -a member of LDS Inc -THE most formally racist /bigoted organization in US history. Why dont you tell Charlie what he really thinks according to MORmON dictate now. MORmON!
@mormonanswerman I will stay with the Holy Bible. The whole premise of the mormon book is to fictionalize/marginalize Native American beliefs. If I told you you were from Timbuktu and we called u --------ities you would see the foolishness of it all.
@mormonanswerman As a Native American member, I'm totally embarrassed when I hear my own native members complain and act immature. I'm proud of my skin color and have no shame of the real history. My message to Charlie "that was then, and this is now", sure stuff happens. GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know that the past has bad memories,but let us remember that people in the church aren't perfect.Politics don't give us church callings,it's the Lord.Even if we question the choice of men,we need a humble heart of patience and know the Lord knows what he's doing and MEN will make imperfect choices at times.If any native portrays the church in any way,Doctrine & Covenants 4 should be read over and over again to keep yourself in line as a representative.I love my people & pray for them.
I'm native,member of the church,i would have to disagree with the substance of this message.If we're truly trying to do missionary work,we focus on Jesus Christ and the Atonement as our core message.The Lamanite challenge is truly to put aside the oral traditions,pow-wows,and sunday rituals as our #1 priority and let the church be #1 in our lives.I've seen too many natives believe too heavily in old ways and the bad past,which results in cloudy thinking,even among lamanite members.
So would you rather be called "Indian?" Thing is, we believe that many of the Native American population comes from Lamanite descent. I don't see anything negative about that at all.
By the way, my great grandmother served in the church and many people received benefit from her service. She proudly talked of her Lamanite heritage. This guy is "the exception" because he focuses on finding faults and believes if another holds a position in the church that they are deemed better than him.
thing is, your belief is WRONG! & it was founded in some of the most rabid racism & exploitation/manipulation ever know of. I dont need or want your labels but since you are so into them, would you rather be called MORmON or STUPID?
Its your choice & there is nothing negative about it, because I say so! MORmON!
FTR I dont have any lamanite heritage because there is no such thing. Call me a lamanite & you might end up with a bruised ass heritage! MORmONS love to treat other like MORmONS.
I dont want to be treated like a MORmON but since you are so fond of it, I will happily oblige you, MORmON! I just want to see the MORmON church shoved right back where it belongs, permanently back into the huge collective MORmON anal orifice mentality that gave it birth. the world does not want your MORmON gift. It wants you to MORmON yourself into oblivion & leave the rest of us alone!
You can call me a mormon all you want. I can call you a child of God if I want. That's what I believe, and there's nothing you can do to change it. When you can think of an intelligent argument I'd love to chat. You have your right to disagree, but I have my right to express my opinion, and you are a part-sister Lamanite with me haha.
Its exactly what can typically be expected from MORmONS & precisely why there is no need for reservation in commonly using the term MORmON. I am not a Lamanite, I have never been a Lamanite, I will never be a Lamanite, YOU are a POS MORmON & always will be. & to think MORmONS are always whining about being misunderstood & mislabeled even as you MORmONS go around foisting your BS labels on others even including God.
you/ a MORmON speaking about intelligence is like a Lizard talking about chemistry, & you are right about one thing, you will always be utterly stupid with out any possible remedy, but dont expect others to pretend like you are anything besides an idiot.
Your analogies make no sense whatsoever. Chances are that most Mormons are familiar with the basics of anti-Mormon propaganda, and take just a wee smidgen bit of guilty delight in knowing how to tear them into sad, minuscule little shreds of deflated logic, exposing them for the shoddy ideas that they are, and leaving said propaganda curled up in a corner, whimpering and sucking their thumbs.
Do I care what bitter people like you think about the LDS Church? No, I sure don't. Mormonism has, and will always be viewed as something other than what it is by the general public. Lies, half-truths, and misunderstandings are how I would categorize the litany of complaints and accusations out there against us, and I'm not in the least bit concerned. In my view, Satan does a remarkable job of stirring people up against the church because
"Satan"really does do a great job of lying about the MORmON church, because any one who inspects the deal KNOWS that NObody lies about MORmONISM more than MORmONS do, no one else is even close! MORmONS are dependent on the ongoing smoke screen they keep up &blame on others, to shield their cult from the exposure that would aptly destroy the LDS cult -Founded on lies, Maintained by lies. if you finger "satan" for all the lies about MO' ISM it might be something u finally get right! MORmON
@carkunkula It is people like you that threw the matches on the pyres of the witch hunts of the Dark ages. If it wasn't for our laws to deter it, people like you would still be doing it. You preach love but practice hate, and you justify yourselves doing just because you prefer to believe stupid gossip. It is no wonder you think you know so much about lies, satan and morons, people always blindly accuse others of what they are guilty of themselves.
@OneCrazyAuntie "You preach love but practice hate, and you justify yourselves"
this shows just how full of SHIT you really are. I have never preached love for MORmONS, because I dont have any love for them. The only thing I have preached is logic. Your mind must have been stuck with your own BS MORmON tactics/ routine where you lie your ass off saying one thing meaning another
just like the current LDS where they talk about loving gays & take away their rights. e routin thl
he knows it is the primary threat against his kingdom. So I recognize that for what it is, and don't allow any thing to come between me and my salvation.
@carkunkula I am only writing this for the benefit of others viewing your ranting. The BIble says not to argue with fools in the book of Proverbs. The whole reason why John Calvin came up with his deterministic theories was because he couldn't figure out why so many people in the world lived and died without access to the gospel when the Bible said it was imperitive. So he came up with his theory that some people were meant to be lesser, or even evil, and some were meant to be good.
@OneCrazyAuntie yah & calvin was hot on the trail of exactly why Xtianity is a total load of BS & then he blew it & came up with determinism instead of arriving at the real valid conclusion. But what can be expected from minds poisoned by religion?
@carkunkula Cont'd The idea that God predetermines who is going to be imortant enough to know the gospel is nonsense, even though I think that Calvin was a good man, he should of asked God like Joseph Smith did instead of coming up with his own theories. And "Baptism for the Dead" is in the Bible...it is mentioned in a letter to the Corinthians in 15:29 by Paul. This is God's back up plan for people in the spirit world that didn't get a chance to hear the gospel in mortality. 1 Peter ch 3&4
Even if the typical Latter-day Saint eschews confrontation and honestly does avoid such discussions in the real world, it's a comforting pleasure to know that one could rend such pitiful attacks asunder if one wanted to.
The fact that you have resorted to personal attacks merely grants me that pleasure this day.
mormons4truth: Your wrong! Where did your get your information, from the science community. What do they know? My Patriarchal Blessing tells me clearly my true lineage, I believe Heavenly Father. Also, the Prophet Joseph Smith has said the Book of Mormon is an ancient record of my people; western tribes of indians, descendants of Joseph that was sold into Egypt, and that America is our promised land. You might try to refute this fact because you want to deny the truth. But it is scripture!
You have been blessed with a knowledge of the plan of salvation, eternal families, living prophets, and continuous revelation. The church you deride has done more than any organization on earth to emphasize the divine heritage of the native population of this continent, while reaching out with any and all resources available to assist them temporally and spiritually.
Hey Charlie! what were you hoping to accomplish by all this? Dude you're doing your people NO favors by this garbage.
yakamanative8 2 months ago
I am completely baffled as to why "exceptional" would mean what this guy is twisting it into. If you know the Plan of Salvation, and your friends don't it doesn't mean that God thinks those who don't understand it are any less important than you, and I don't think the mission president meant that either. This is the essence of why the Lord suffered through the Atonement. When you are nit picking at this level, it means you are on the prowl for an excuse long before you think you found one.
OneCrazyAuntie 1 year ago
Umm......I am not sure why he was concerned about one cinder-block church being built on a First Nations reservation. I have seen beautiful brick churches on reservations. There is a huge one in Chinle. The way a church is built has everything to do with the person in charge of the project, and the funding alocated for attendance. Our small branch building has a stick frame structure , and most of the members here are of European ansestry.....it must mean that the church is out to get us
OneCrazyAuntie 1 year ago
From what i've read here, many people are very ignorant, scared of the truth. That being said. You have your right to your opinions and that is gods greatest gift to man; freedom of choice. However, what choice you make will affect you for the rest of your life and eventually will judge you in the end. You do not have to listen to other mormons testimonies. You can find your own answers thru prayer and seeking the truth. Find out for yourselves. the answer is closer than you think. God bless.
yashti1979 1 year ago
where is the follow up segment for this particular video. I would like to watch it.
settypatch 2 years ago
so someone says that you are the "exception" and you got offended...and the reason you got offended is because all you can see is skin color and not spirituality. If you could just strip away the skin color issues you have on this for a moment, and consider that statement again, in the spiritual sense, and you will see that it is true and NOTHING to be offended about.
Jesus said straight is the gate and narrow the way that leads to eternal life. THAT means EXCEPTION. Should we be offended?
mormonanswerman 3 years ago 5
mormonanswerman This is nowhere to be found in the HOLY BIBLE it is only in MORMON SCRIPTURES this is not Christianity of Jesus Christ its Racism of the DEVIL REPENT!
"...the Lord God did cause a skin of BLACKNESS to come upon them (Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5:21)"
"And the skins..were DARK,according to the MARK which was set upon their fathers..which WAS A CURSE upon them...(Book of Mormon,Alma 3:6)"
"and the CURSING which hath come upon their skins...(Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:5)"
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
@Ilegalplayer The scriptures you choose to quote and base your racist comments on have nothing to do with people of African heritage. To ease your pain a little you would do well to understand that this "blackness" has to do with tattoos, and simply self imposed generation after generation...It is pitiful how you add "(BLACK AFRICANS)" to gods scriptures.
trappedhere2 2 years ago
BLACKS ARE LEAVING THE Mormon church WHEN THEY learn THIS IS IN Mormon SCRIPTURES ABOUT BLACKS!
the MORMON CULT GOD CURSING AFRICANS BLACK
"..the LORD shall CURSE the land..A BLACKNESS came upon all the(BLACK AFRICANS)..of Canaan,that they were despised among all people..(LDS Moses7:8)"
The MORMON CULT saying Black Africans are CURSED from the PRIESTHOOD
"...CURSED...to the Priesthood..being of the(BLACK AFRICAN)lineage by which he could not have the right of PRIESTHOOD(LDS Abraham1:26-27)"
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
Leave it to a MORmON, a person devoted to the white & delightsome based & advocating Book of MORmON as scripture to tell some one else to settle down on the skin color issue. MORmONS!
settypatch 2 years ago
@mormonanswerman Hey mormonman How does the Lord tell YOU if something is true? Tell us. Jesus wasn't a mormon. Where does it say "mormon" in the holy bible? You have alot to learn from native americans pal.
beone011 1 year ago
@beone011 "Mormon" isn't in the Bible Sherlock....it is the name of a man that kept ancient records safe on the American continents about 1800 years ago. I don't understand why people get offended by the idea that the Lord cared about everyone in the world, and not just the people in Judeah and Europe. Before the Lord left to return to his Father after he was resurected he said "other sheep I have, which are not of this fold, them also I must bring...."John 10:16, Now that is in the Bible
OneCrazyAuntie 1 year ago
@OneCrazyAuntie Hey crazy auntie, your brainwashed. Jesus didnt preach 'mormon' crap even if he visited other sheep now did he. Did jesus say to be a 'mormon' anywhere?Your religion teaches racism against blacks and native americans this is bullshit. If I called YOU cursed and filthy you would react the same. see "mormon lady went to hell" on youtube. The Truth
beone011 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman yes, he was offended because the implication is that he came from inherently Ifaulty stock. Thats plenty of reason to be troubled.
carkunkula 1 year ago
@carkunkula There is no such thing as "faulty stock."
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman WOW ! that quip, that pathetic attempt to take the higher ground to get the upper hand on race matters coming from a MORmON -a member of LDS Inc -THE most formally racist /bigoted organization in US history. Why dont you tell Charlie what he really thinks according to MORmON dictate now. MORmON!
carkunkula 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman I will stay with the Holy Bible. The whole premise of the mormon book is to fictionalize/marginalize Native American beliefs. If I told you you were from Timbuktu and we called u --------ities you would see the foolishness of it all.
beone011 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman As a Native American member, I'm totally embarrassed when I hear my own native members complain and act immature. I'm proud of my skin color and have no shame of the real history. My message to Charlie "that was then, and this is now", sure stuff happens. GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yakamanative8 2 months ago
I know that the past has bad memories,but let us remember that people in the church aren't perfect.Politics don't give us church callings,it's the Lord.Even if we question the choice of men,we need a humble heart of patience and know the Lord knows what he's doing and MEN will make imperfect choices at times.If any native portrays the church in any way,Doctrine & Covenants 4 should be read over and over again to keep yourself in line as a representative.I love my people & pray for them.
pwrballads 3 years ago 2
I'm native,member of the church,i would have to disagree with the substance of this message.If we're truly trying to do missionary work,we focus on Jesus Christ and the Atonement as our core message.The Lamanite challenge is truly to put aside the oral traditions,pow-wows,and sunday rituals as our #1 priority and let the church be #1 in our lives.I've seen too many natives believe too heavily in old ways and the bad past,which results in cloudy thinking,even among lamanite members.
pwrballads 3 years ago 2
I wonder what your intentions of putting this up were...
I also find this video quite negative. My great-grandmother is Cherokee.
gord1921 3 years ago 2
My great grand mother was also
cherokee, and there is nothing more
"negative" than being called a lamanite because some whacko cults deems it appropriate based on their idiocy.
carkunkula 2 years ago
So would you rather be called "Indian?" Thing is, we believe that many of the Native American population comes from Lamanite descent. I don't see anything negative about that at all.
By the way, my great grandmother served in the church and many people received benefit from her service. She proudly talked of her Lamanite heritage. This guy is "the exception" because he focuses on finding faults and believes if another holds a position in the church that they are deemed better than him.
gord1921 2 years ago
thing is, your belief is WRONG! & it was founded in some of the most rabid racism & exploitation/manipulation ever know of. I dont need or want your labels but since you are so into them, would you rather be called MORmON or STUPID?
Its your choice & there is nothing negative about it, because I say so! MORmON!
FTR I dont have any lamanite heritage because there is no such thing. Call me a lamanite & you might end up with a bruised ass heritage! MORmONS love to treat other like MORmONS.
carkunkula 2 years ago
I dont want to be treated like a MORmON but since you are so fond of it, I will happily oblige you, MORmON! I just want to see the MORmON church shoved right back where it belongs, permanently back into the huge collective MORmON anal orifice mentality that gave it birth. the world does not want your MORmON gift. It wants you to MORmON yourself into oblivion & leave the rest of us alone!
carkunkula 2 years ago
You can call me a mormon all you want. I can call you a child of God if I want. That's what I believe, and there's nothing you can do to change it. When you can think of an intelligent argument I'd love to chat. You have your right to disagree, but I have my right to express my opinion, and you are a part-sister Lamanite with me haha.
gord1921 2 years ago
thanks for insisting on being so insulting!
Its exactly what can typically be expected from MORmONS & precisely why there is no need for reservation in commonly using the term MORmON. I am not a Lamanite, I have never been a Lamanite, I will never be a Lamanite, YOU are a POS MORmON & always will be. & to think MORmONS are always whining about being misunderstood & mislabeled even as you MORmONS go around foisting your BS labels on others even including God.
carkunkula 2 years ago
you/ a MORmON speaking about intelligence is like a Lizard talking about chemistry, & you are right about one thing, you will always be utterly stupid with out any possible remedy, but dont expect others to pretend like you are anything besides an idiot.
carkunkula 2 years ago
Your analogies make no sense whatsoever. Chances are that most Mormons are familiar with the basics of anti-Mormon propaganda, and take just a wee smidgen bit of guilty delight in knowing how to tear them into sad, minuscule little shreds of deflated logic, exposing them for the shoddy ideas that they are, and leaving said propaganda curled up in a corner, whimpering and sucking their thumbs.
gord1921 2 years ago
My analogies dont have to make sense to MORmONS ! After all batpizing for Dead people makes sense to you!
speaking of NON sensical, how does propaganda suck its thumb? Your coming in here & lying like a MORmON only rends you. Glad you enjoy it, MORmON !
carkunkula 2 years ago
Do I care what bitter people like you think about the LDS Church? No, I sure don't. Mormonism has, and will always be viewed as something other than what it is by the general public. Lies, half-truths, and misunderstandings are how I would categorize the litany of complaints and accusations out there against us, and I'm not in the least bit concerned. In my view, Satan does a remarkable job of stirring people up against the church because
gord1921 2 years ago
"Satan"really does do a great job of lying about the MORmON church, because any one who inspects the deal KNOWS that NObody lies about MORmONISM more than MORmONS do, no one else is even close! MORmONS are dependent on the ongoing smoke screen they keep up &blame on others, to shield their cult from the exposure that would aptly destroy the LDS cult -Founded on lies, Maintained by lies. if you finger "satan" for all the lies about MO' ISM it might be something u finally get right! MORmON
carkunkula 2 years ago
@carkunkula It is people like you that threw the matches on the pyres of the witch hunts of the Dark ages. If it wasn't for our laws to deter it, people like you would still be doing it. You preach love but practice hate, and you justify yourselves doing just because you prefer to believe stupid gossip. It is no wonder you think you know so much about lies, satan and morons, people always blindly accuse others of what they are guilty of themselves.
OneCrazyAuntie 1 year ago
@OneCrazyAuntie "You preach love but practice hate, and you justify yourselves"
this shows just how full of SHIT you really are. I have never preached love for MORmONS, because I dont have any love for them. The only thing I have preached is logic. Your mind must have been stuck with your own BS MORmON tactics/ routine where you lie your ass off saying one thing meaning another
just like the current LDS where they talk about loving gays & take away their rights. e routin thl
whe
carkunkula 1 year ago
he knows it is the primary threat against his kingdom. So I recognize that for what it is, and don't allow any thing to come between me and my salvation.
Best of luck with your chosen path.
gord1921 2 years ago
@carkunkula I am only writing this for the benefit of others viewing your ranting. The BIble says not to argue with fools in the book of Proverbs. The whole reason why John Calvin came up with his deterministic theories was because he couldn't figure out why so many people in the world lived and died without access to the gospel when the Bible said it was imperitive. So he came up with his theory that some people were meant to be lesser, or even evil, and some were meant to be good.
OneCrazyAuntie 1 year ago
@OneCrazyAuntie yah & calvin was hot on the trail of exactly why Xtianity is a total load of BS & then he blew it & came up with determinism instead of arriving at the real valid conclusion. But what can be expected from minds poisoned by religion?
carkunkula 1 year ago
@carkunkula Cont'd The idea that God predetermines who is going to be imortant enough to know the gospel is nonsense, even though I think that Calvin was a good man, he should of asked God like Joseph Smith did instead of coming up with his own theories. And "Baptism for the Dead" is in the Bible...it is mentioned in a letter to the Corinthians in 15:29 by Paul. This is God's back up plan for people in the spirit world that didn't get a chance to hear the gospel in mortality. 1 Peter ch 3&4
OneCrazyAuntie 1 year ago
Even if the typical Latter-day Saint eschews confrontation and honestly does avoid such discussions in the real world, it's a comforting pleasure to know that one could rend such pitiful attacks asunder if one wanted to.
The fact that you have resorted to personal attacks merely grants me that pleasure this day.
gord1921 2 years ago
What is a native mormon?
In case you have not heard the latest, you are not a Lamanite.
You are a descendant of Mongolians, not Hebrews whose skin was turned brown for being bad.
mormons4truth 3 years ago
mormons4truth: Your wrong! Where did your get your information, from the science community. What do they know? My Patriarchal Blessing tells me clearly my true lineage, I believe Heavenly Father. Also, the Prophet Joseph Smith has said the Book of Mormon is an ancient record of my people; western tribes of indians, descendants of Joseph that was sold into Egypt, and that America is our promised land. You might try to refute this fact because you want to deny the truth. But it is scripture!
Arythmnmaker1 3 years ago
You have been blessed with a knowledge of the plan of salvation, eternal families, living prophets, and continuous revelation. The church you deride has done more than any organization on earth to emphasize the divine heritage of the native population of this continent, while reaching out with any and all resources available to assist them temporally and spiritually.
GospelRestored 3 years ago 3
"lamanites were blood thirsty savages"
don't tell that to Samuel the Lamanite or the Sons of Helamen!
As a person of Sioux ancestry I find this video offensive and very negative and self serving.
omiolo 3 years ago 9
@omiolo, thank you!
NeCacaluXuxultic 10 months ago