Vietnam Hue Siege Aftermath

[LoneKook]

Obviously this docu was made before they found the shallow mass graves with 3000 civilians lain in them, murdered by NVA forces on orders from above. They went around with clipboards with peoples' names on them, taking them out and executing them.

[CharlieDoan]

kk Song Huong = Perfum River

We call Song Huong is Normal but translate to English "perfume River" sound funny

[takpiboon]

choose it wrong i will choose like

[riowest2000]

I remember crossing that bridge many times...also have picture of a beautiful church before it was blown up...

[johnnyruskie]

In response to DrCruel ("This is the sort of thing Left-wing activists are responsible for"): that's right! And the free and democratic bombs/bullets of the ARVN/US Marines carefully hit only the evil Communists. Them pesky Communist varmints!! Grrr...!

War is hell, boys and girls...

[DrCruel]

@johnnyruskie I think there's a big difference between bombing military targets and leading civilians to trenches with their hands tied, then shooting them in the back of the head.

Then again I'm not a pesky Communist varmint, to whom shooting unarmed "class enemies" in the back of the head makes sense. Grr.

[lithopoonwit]

Again my point is; i honor the American military man, anyone who contributed to the fight against communism, but political America (under British rule!) has done just the opposite. it has always supported communism, Stalinism. Their warcrimes in Europe are disgusting, they supported and supplied Stalin, the work of Zionist warmongers is to conquer the world for communism. The UK is main war criminal in Europe.

[lithopoonwit]

The british reporter suggests that the civilians of Hue owe their own destruction to their alleged support of NVA communist troops. Some false information. Many civilians were massacred by the communists, and they, the communists, are the ones to be blamed for the destruction.

[lithopoonwit]

History shows Communism is the most ruthless bloodiest killer ever. USA in conjunction with the Communist world have taken care of the most bloodbaths in 20th century history. USA was never a real enemy of communism,on the contrary, they helped Soviet Union to survive against Germany,they helped Ho Chi Minh to gain power,they supported Paris communist peace talks.They never prosecuted communist mass murderers.They're interested in money,and killing succesfull societies like the Vietnamese were.

[lucirz]

yes i agree with you 100%. also if you look at latin america, you would definitely see american involvement in communism. the fact is that americans have no problem with communism as long as they remain in control. but when they fear someone else will be more powerful than them, they go to war and justify it be saying its a war "for democracy". they position themselves as the "good guys". but come on we're all adults and we know there are no "good guys" in the world, everyone is selfish.

[lithopoonwit]

By the way, i credit the ARVN and US troops for the excellent and heroic victory they gained on the communists during Tet offensive, and though the city of Hue was badly damaged, they kicked the murdering commies out. And what are the zionist serpents in the USA doing with this victory? right, turn it into a defeat, and start negotiate with the defeated communists in Paris. What a great way to backstab your own fighting troops. Way to go treacherous USA.

[tientienlao]

@lithopoonwit You have made a clusterfuck of history with your accounting. Research it again until you get it right. Number 1 killer 20th Century were the Germans, second the Russians, third the Chinese, then the Japanese. We killed 4.6 million armed North Vietnamese. North Vietnamese killed 5 million Svietnamese civilians. Wiped out 15,000 hamlets and villages for non-support of communism. US has never been the mass murderer.

The use of atomic weapons in WW2 saved millions on both sides.

[lithopoonwit]

US supported Communism by supplying Stalin against Germany. The Germans had no option but to attack Stalin, since he was about to overrun Western Europe. US citizens are misinformed by Zionists. England and the US have supported Communism and thus made themselves complicits in the world's most vicious killer ever. Jews are not innocent. They rejected Jesus Christ and they are behind the world's most cruel massacre's. They want to rebuild the Temple of Solomon with their evil magic.

[tientienlao]

Soviets have yet to attack Western Europe. That is paranoia. Hitler made Stalin strong and Hitler was insane. I don't believe for one minute that without any action on the part of the Germans, the Soviets would never have attacked West. Jesus was first and foremost a Jew, not just any Jew he was a Rabbi that learned and taught in the Temple. Jesus disdained the Judges of the Temple for their parlaying with Roman control of Judea. However most Christians until the 3rd Century AD were Jews.

[lithopoonwit]

It was not Hitler, but the UK and the US who have supported Stalin the most. What possible good would it have done to Germany to give aid to Stalin, this maniac? Stalin had massive amounts of armor and troops at the borders, and they did not have maps of the Soviet Union on them (which they were supposed to defend) but they had maps on them of Western Europe, which they were set to attack. By quick encirclement movements the Germans managed to destroy these armies just in time.

[mixerd0822]

@lithopoonwit god bless the jews. they are good people.

[TOMP66666]

After the Soviet Union's collapse in 1991, the communist authority in Vietnam switched to its big brother Red China, a new leader of a few remaining communist nations including China, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and Cuba, for China's backup to remain in power in Vietnam. There are ten divisions of more than 100,000 Chinese troops disguised as mine workers in the central highlands, who will repeat another Tiananmen Square massacre in case Vietnamese revolt against the communist regime.

[MrShanghaiman]

How do you know? Were you there to investigate? I am just curious and I don't like the damn communist.

[lechinhluan]

Vietnam, China now have market economy with one leader, one party system, use extremist nationalism to replace the fading Marxism. The so-called Vietnamese, Chinese communists now are actually extremist nationalists or extremist rightists or fascists. They suppress minimum wages, ban private unions to attract foreign investors

[DrCruel]

For fascists to conquer and enslave a people, there must be brutality. Genocides are optional, but it would seem Marxists tend to prefer them.

In any event, business has returned to Vietnam and Cambodia. Of course now the people of Indochina are exploited and brutalized as never before - but as it is the Marxist elite that profit from their labour, and not the common peple, all is well with the Leftists.

I'm presonally sickened. But that's of little consequence.

[Malaka57]

Why can't you people understand that there is not "left= bad" and "right= good", but rather a system that simply no longer functions and keeps breaking down? We no longer exist in the left-right paradigm, and people who opposed the American involvement in V werre not supporting the other side. This war was absolutely avoidable, like most wars. The more you remain stuck in that Manicheism, the more you support war, any war.

[DrCruel]

At long last, that becomes the final stand - it is admitted, finally, that the Vietnamese communists are not "nationalist patriots" but instead ruthless killers and tyrants ... but it is then claimed that the US was at least as bad ... later it's sneaked in that the US was worse, and we're back to the "heroic communists" again ...

The US army was not the equivalent of the NVA. Nothing the US did in Vietnam compares to what the Marxists did in Hue, and in countless villages.

[theanhbeo]

in a revolution there must be deaths

[DrCruel]

If Marxists are simply fanatics, murderous acolytes of an insane religion, then I could almost understand the reasons for thier outrageous massacres of innocent people.

But they didn't kill people for their dissent. Their mass killings were for convenience, and motivated more by ethnic racism and avarice than by any ideological stance. And today, these same communist party thugs rent the labour of the survivors out to Western corporations.

It would be hard to imagine a more cynical evil.

[zzzpqd]

Bravo, you speak the honest truth of communist evil behavior.

[cucudato]

They are both evil, can't you see? American with their agent orange. Dont forget.

[DrCruel]

An aside - of the thousands killed at Hue, the majority killed were deliberately murdered by Vietnaese Marxists. These were civilians executed by the Marxists for being insufficiently enthusiastic about the Marxist takeover, or simply because they had the wrong vocation and thus belonged to the wrong "class". Massive trenches were filled with the resultant corpses - a method of mass killing not seen since the Nazis.

This is the sort of thing Left-wing activists are responsible for.

[DrCruel]

America did do something that was terribly wrong - we gave up on the Vietnamese, leaving them to the brutalities of communist thugs. Millions were robbed, abused and murdered in our wake. Many of the native survivors were forced to move elsewhere, having lost everything they owned save for the clothes on their backs.

Soldiers for the UN fought for the freedom and lives of the Indochinese, against Marxists pirates backed by Russian and Chinese thugs. Shame on those who helped the Marxists win.

[zzzpqd]

Bravo, somebody that actually knows what the score was. Now look at the evils done by Marxist/Leninist in Indochina. Millions and millions slaughtered because they didn't politically agree with communism.

[poor750]

DrCruel

Totally agree

[Hampupu13]

@DrCruel Dont glorify the Americans. Agent Orange, torture and rape. You didn't give two shits about Vietnam, it was just about communist-paranoia. And to use your type of allegation, 'this is the sort of thing capitalists are responsible for"

[DrCruel]

@Hampupu13 Don't make excuses for the Vietnamese Left fascists. They made a mockery not only of democratic principles, but of their own ideology. Since 1998 they and their once-again Khmer Rouge allies have been renting out the labour of Indochina to transnational corporations, all to profit the Communist elite.

And I'm supposed to not give two shits about Vietnam? Well fuck you too.

[poffa2]

Pellejönsfakta!!!!!!

[deltapunk21]

Uh no Hue was not the Ideal place as the Vietnamese people as all sane people are anti-Communist, and the Communists took some 5,000-8000 people out of the town and murdered them for being too "anti-Communist" and thats just those they could find. Most of the refugees were escaping those asshole who btw they fucking hated.

[UBeKiddinMe]

I was there. I remember like it was yesterday. I remember the fighting at the Citadel.. We kicked their ass... Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. USMC

[Dogmeat1950]

right on ubekiddinme

[googerblah]

Of course, God would approve of your sentiments.

[toledopilot]

I served my time in hell. In fact I served over three years in Vietnam. I sent many of them to see God and for his judgement. My country right or wrong. My God tells me to follow man's laws.

[googerblah]

Hamlet's dilemma.

You see, the young prince couldn't bring himself to kill Claudius after the ghost tells him to, because he wasn't sure if it was God or the Devil telling him to kill.

[Frogstomp121]

How many wives did you widow? How many sons did you kill? How many brothers did you murder? All those grieving families have the rest of their lives to think about the loved ones they will never see again. People you will never know, yet they do exist.

If you cannot see the world through someone else's eyes and realize that the world is full of 6 billion unique and different people, cultures, and religions and think that your opinion or country is the only one that matters, than what?

[UBeKiddinMe]

How many American's died? How many Vietcong tried to kill me? How many American lives did I saved by killing the enemy? How many enemy of America today want to kill you, your mother and father, sister and your brother. How many enemy of America want to see the fall of freedom. You pussy, you coward, you whimpering little puppy. And if you are an American go hide your face in shame, move to another country, Go suck some shit SCUM BAG. I am proud to say I served my Country Semper Fi. USMC.

[Frogstomp121]

And the Vietnamese soldiers go back to their homes and say, 'How many Americans tried to kill me?' How many lives did I save by killing them? How many enemies of Vietnam want to kill me, my mother and father, my sister and brother?

They are people, not animals. They breathe the same air and bleed the same blood as you do.

If you can't see life from all angles than your opinion will always be painfully one-sided. Your opinion is not the only one that matters in this world.

[toledopilot]

Frogstop121, We need to send pukes like you into combat zone like Iraq to see how long it is before you start shooting back at who is trying to kill you. And when you don't shoot back and you are killed, that's just one less unpatriotic American there is to buy foreign manufactured goods. Since you are a liberal, I guess you will never understand the concept of freedom and why you are enjoying it today.

Enjoy your 4th of July and all holidays, because it came at the expense of brave Americans.

[Frogstomp121]

And you're one of those guys that is so hopped up on American patriotism you're blind to any concept of a larger world. God forbid I should buy something that's made out of this country.

So let me understand your concept of freedom. Kind of like nuking a few hundred thousand Japanese men, women, and children so us Americans can sleep easier at night. Is that it? Better them than us?

[toledopilot]

Frogstomp121 youre right! I am one of those Americans thats definitely patriotic. I fought for freedom in Vietnam and I have been on the streets of the USA fighting rapist, murderers, thieves, terrorists, and any other type of criminal. Yep, Ive served my country while whimpering, whining people like you preach brotherly love. Wake up to reality Brotherly love doesnt exist and will not as long as there are humans. I dare you to walk down some of the streets in Detroit at 2:00 a.m.

[toledopilot]

Frogstomp121.... It is obvious you're not an American...

[Frogstomp121]

I am an American, only one who can look at things unbiased. You are one who thinks that America can do nothing wrong.

[toledopilot]

FrogStomp121 - Good luck with your Optical Rectum-ites.

[ssmiley91]

Didn't the British run away in Iraq...the war was unwinnable, wasn't it?  Then the Iraqis showed them how to fight...lol..brits...

[NEXT109]

nah we just didnt fancy keep getting blown up by US 'friendly fire'!! If the Brits run how come you lot pay the SAS to train the US Delta force?!... lol!! did you hear about the battle at Karul?! its not really talked about.. it was where a squad of 5 SAS rescued 200 USA troops from 150 Iraqis!! lol!! yea we run haha!!

[ELBORI74]

@NEXT109.... Oh please!!!!!!!! Stop the B.S.!! 200 American troops are going to call upon 5 SAS to rescue them from 150 Iraqis!!! That's a load of B.S. and you know it...

[NEXT109]

Yea sure it is mate. As you americans are so known for your knowledge of international affairs. BTW They didnt call on them the SAS were on patrol in the area.

[ELBORI74]

Now about your theory that U.S. Delta Force was trained by S.A.S. thats another B.S. story of yours. Delta Force is a S.F unit attached to the U.S. Army, and all special forces unit does what we call cross training, and another thing alot of soldiers from different countries that want to be a sniper comes to the U.S. Army sniper school here in Georgia. So don't fan yourself and think that the British S.A.S. is the best in the world.. Hahaha!! 200 U.S. troops saved by 5 S.A.S. that was funny..

[Dogmeat1950]

lol love how the brits talk about Friendly fire even though in WW2 they had the worst FF against anyone lol. killing over 315 Americans in less then an hour.

really cut the crap kid.

[kewlboy567]

We still fought in Korea even though British artillery killed many many US troops.

[NEXT109]

Are you autistic? Do you take everything literally? There are far more complex reasons for the withdrawl than friendly fire. I was just insulting someone who was insulting us.

[ELBORI74]

Let me tell you something! I served 15 years in the U.S. Marines and what you told me is a load of bs 200 of our guys are going to be saved by 5 S.A.S. soldiers on patrol in Iraq from 150 Iraqi fighters. b.s.

[kewlboy567]

Yes but you were still using it as a excuse. The US never used british friendly fire as a excuse.

[phuquy617]

Communism is communism. The nationalìsts of South Vietnam fought against the international Communists with their hearts and minds and their bare hands.

[maximilian333]

How insightful it was to mention Hue's nationalism as a fertile soil ideal for the guerilla movement of the communists.

A British general recently drew a similar conclusion about the nationalism rather than ideology driving the guerilla movement in Iraq.