NON-AHMADIYYA MUSLIMS HAIL BARBARIC KILLER AS THEIR HERO IN PAKISTAN (ISLAM AHMADIYYA)

[ixiGODDESSixi]

lmaoo ahahaa what do they know about our beloved prophet anyway?

[AlmightyEddie123]

this religion is barbaric..in with the new out with the old

[IslamAhmadiya]

@AlmightyEddie123 Islam is not barbaric. It is the misuse and exploitation like all other religions that is barbaric. Ahmadiyya Community in Islam is the practical example of Islam's peaceful and magnificent message for all: /watch?v=lWVqtk_pkLI

[AlmightyEddie123]

@IslamAhmadiya ...its my opinion buddy. I mean beheadings...and stoning..cmon

[IslamAhmadiya]

@AlmightyEddie123 There is not a single place in Quran where punishment of death has been prescribed in the form of either beheading or stoning. These are the innovations made by the Mullahs of today either having no knowledge of the beautiful teachings of Islam or they have their own political or financial vested interests.

[LePetitGrosse]

@IslamAhmadiya muhammad himself personally ordered beheading of the quraishi jews. maybe its not in the quran but muhammad, muslims greatest prophet doing that! to say its wrong to behead people means blasphemy against muhammad. not?

[IslamAhmadiya]

@LePetitGrosse If you are referring to Jews of Banu Quraiza, then you should read the full context of the story. First of all it was not because of mere blasphemy. Read the full story in its complete context and you will see that they were punished by the judge from the tribe of their own choice and the decision was made according to the law of Torah and not law of Quran. Read story about the woman who used to regularly throw rubbish on Holy Prophet whenever he used to pass her house.

[7613465]

oh please if i have many things to discuss but first of all you have to leave that dirty faith which calls mirzaiy qadyani and accept mirza as kafir

[IslamAhmadiya]

@7613465 Is this how you discuss things with people. When somebody holds a belief considering it to be true and you hold a belief other than him, when you discuss things with that person do you ask him to leave his beliefs and discuss things with you only then? Any sane, balanced, unbiased person will tell you that a decent conversation is only possible if you are open minded and unbiased. How can you discuss things if you don't hold any views? Hatoo Burhanakum (Bring proof) if you are truthful!

[7613465]

MARZIAY ARE KAFIRS

[IslamAhmadiya]

@7613465 Who are "Mirziay"? I think you mean Ahmadiyya Muslims are "Kafirs". Well, if you have anything more intelligent to say only then come and discuss these issues with me. As far as issuing fatwahs of kufr are concerned, that is the hallmark of your Mullahs. They seem to have done nothing for Islam other than kicking everybody out of its fold who doesn't go along with their stupid, irrational, violent, intolerant, and hate filled interpretations of Islam. Shame on you and your Mullahs!

[DrXxShahxX]

@IslamAhmadiya when you say come with proof .. man the whole muslim ummah don't accept you guys as muslims there is nothing to discuss ... you guys are not even allowed to enter mekka.. what more proof do u need .. and now dont tell me that the whole muslim ummah is wrong and u guys are right.. come to the right side bro!!

[IslamAhmadiya]

@DrXxShahxX Which Muslim "ummah" are you talking about? "ummah" of barelvis, deobandis, naqshbandis, shias, salafis...so on and so forth? All these sects have already got fatwahs of kufr against each other. So what kind of "ummah" are you taking about? The very fact that they have all unanimously stood against us despite fatwahs of kufr against each other, speaks volumes about our truthfulness and their hypocrisy. Holy Prophet declared 1 Jamaat out of 73 to be the TRUE ONE. Ponder over this!

[DrXxShahxX]

@IslamAhmadiya You are absolutely right that the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said that only 1 sect out of the 73 will enter paradise.

The Quran Says: And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves

Those who does not devide them self into sects and follows the teaching of prophet Muhhamed peace be upon this Ummat al-mu'minin i am talking about.

[DrXxShahxX]

@IslamAhmadiya THE TRUE ONE = NOT DIVIDED

[IslamAhmadiya]

@DrXxShahxX Division is only possible if there is no Divine Leadership. It is only Jamaat Ahmadiyya in Islam that is united under one Khilafah. Anyone who would cut themselves from this great blessing of Allah will be divided and devoid of true blessings of Allah. Jamaat Ahmadiyya under the great blessing of Khilafat continues to progress and march forward with the grace of Allah. If you want, you can keep your beliefs intact. Everyone is answerable for their own actions before Allah

[ThePakistani1986]

@7613465 , tera Islam se keya taaluq jo qatil ke sath hay?? Nabi Akram, s a w se muhabbat hum kartay hain jo un ke har qadam ke nishan pe qadam rakhnay ki koshish kartay hain , tum log to namaz ke reham karnay ke waqt huqooq ibaad ke waqt muslim nahi hotay , jab kisi ko qatal karnay ki baat aati hai to Islam yaad aa jata hai , naam nehaad sarkari musalmano...

[masieha]

@00al47ex00 Brother lots of comments with out a clear answer to the reference provided to you (Sahih Bukhari Vol 2 Kitab Ahadith ul Anbiya).

Previously, I was struggling to get any reference from Quran/Hadith in support to your claim from you. Now I am facing the same problem again. Please clear these topics one by one. Frequently changing topics derails the logical flow of a conversation and does not allow a conclusion to be reached.

[masieha]

@00al47ex00 You are in denial to Sunan Ibn Majah so that your beliefs can be properly maintained. Ibn Majah is one the 6 most authentic books of Hadith and is not written by any Ahmadi :)

Anyhow brother! Jesus AS was of red complexion, curly hair and broad chest; however, the Jesus of later days is a man of brown color with straight hair (Sahih Bukhari Vol 2 Kitab Ahadith ul Anbiya)

[masieha]

@00al47ex00 Does this mean that there is no direct reference to verify your claim, and the only way to do it is via lengthy interpretations? Anyhow brother! How do you interpret this Hadith?

Holy Prophet Mohammad SAW says, “The Mahdi is none other than Jesus son of Mary” (Sunan Ibn Maja, Kitab ul Fitan, Chapter Shidatu Zaman, Volume 2)

[masieha]

@00al47ex00 Brother I will continue to wait for your reference from Quran &/or Hadith in support to your claim that Jesus AS is a prophet of Allah and is NO LONGER A MESSENGER OF ALLAH. Otherwise, should I conclude that your claim is just your personal opinion? I would appreciate if you could clear this point ASAP so that we can move forward.

Regarding Ibn Sa'd, Kitab al-Tabaqat, brother IslamAhmadiyya has already explained to you that it is just an interpretation.

[biggerturtle]

Religion is the scourge of mankind

[IslamAhmadiya]

@biggerturtle It is not the religion that is the cause of affliction in the world, it is rather the exploitation of religion by people that is the cause of this narrow mindedness, illiteracy, hate, intolerance so on and so forth. To see the living example of religion being a real force of good, watch this video: /watch?v=lWVqtk_pkLI

[IslamAhmadiya]

@00al47ex00 Brother masieha will respond to your posts so I won't interfere in the discssion right now. However the (Ibn Sa'd, Kitab al-Tabaqat...p.47) is just an interpretation of a person in regards to what happened to Jesus. These are not the words of our Holy Prophet. You don't have to respond to my post as it will side track your discussion that is already taking place with brother "masieha".

[masieha]

@00al47ex00 Brother! You have claimed that ISA AS is a prophet of Allah & is no longer a messenger of Allah. Our discussion started with this point. As it was causing all sorts of confusions, I asked you to provide reference from Quran &/or Hadith. Instead of sticking to my request, you have gone all across the place and haven’t answered my question yet. If this claim is your personal opinion to maintain your own beliefs then it’s a separate story; otherwise, I would like to learn about it.

[drahmad93]

I got your point, however, it is so called Pakistani Mullah's /Zia-ul Haq fanatic outcome.

Otherwise No. of countries like -- Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh etc. they do not have explanation of Blasphemy law that we have in Pakistan. (Why not use Blasphemy Law when they even Hurt Ahmadiyya Religion/Christian in Pakistanyou will be kicked back with a new case against you.

Therefore I belief that "Mullah" is mind-set of lost his power of thinking in religion and worldly affair -just stubborn.

[IslamAhmadiya]

@drahmad93 You are absolutely right that Islam has got nothing to do with the ignorance of these people. You are also right that this is the result of the extremism brought into this society by Zia-ul-Haq. One thing that I would like to add here though is that Pakistani society was affected by this venom of extremism from the very moment when Ahmadiyya Jamaat was declared as non-Muslim by the constitution of the country. This opened up a pandora's box of narrow mindedness, fatwahs etc...

[IslamAhmadiya]

...Since then, Ahmadiyya Jamaat was singled out and targetted by the state backed persecution in one way or the other. Such an attitude was encouraged openly by even the so called moderates of the country. Pakistani public saw these injustices being committed against our Jamaat in the name of Islam and remained silent. If we want to change the condition of our country, then we will have to change our overall attitudes. We will have to be dignified enough to stand for the truth. That is only way

[masieha]

@00al47ex00 Brother, I am still waiting for any Quranic and/or Hadith reference from your side.

Anyhow, just to summarize your beliefs: After Holy Prophet Mohammad SAW, a Prophet/Messiah (Jesus AS) will come. However, no new message will be delivered by that Prophet/Messiah as Quran & Sunnah is the final Shariah. Is this correct? Peace be with you.

[Horsemamofkaos]

Peace for all!

[drahmad93]

Its Not Ahmadiyya or Non-Ahmadiyya Issue! It is killingsof "Humanity"-- a dictation and closing the doors for freedom of speech and communication of difference in opinion!

Shame as nation! as someone who observed a 'Misuse' of law and to save innocent...as Aasiatestified,she did'nt stuff were using by the Fanatics against her!.Don't be emotional to 'support' or 'no support'. Thinkings process should not be stupid.. we are deling with killer..Did any body has courage to face the turth....

[IslamAhmadiya]

@drahmad93 The reason why I chose the word Non-Ahmadiyya in the title of the video was to make it clear that Ahmadiyya Muslims do not follow the ways of these people seen in the video. Watch this video and see why these people hold such barbaric killers as their heroes. It is not just a small bunch of people raising slogans, rather it is a sad depiction of the overall society Pakistan has become. Watch this brother: /watch?v=BvB5cIs808c

[masieha]

@00al47ex00 Thank you for your ethical approach towards an open dialogue. I will be happy to discuss all these references with you one by one. However, your claim that Jesus AS is a prophet of Allah, but he is no longer a messenger of Allah needs to be verified first through Quran and/or Hadith as it will automatically answer most of your concerns.

[guidedfox]

brothers pray to allah that we might be guided as one, follow the quran and teachings of the rasul (s.a.w) and ask youself are you on the right path. Pray for me brothers I want to make hajj but at the moment it seems like a dream for me please pray for me

[hotwahid]

the is no chia soeni soefie ahmidijan

it can by only moslim

haram haram to call you somthing else than moslim

Divide and rule that they did with the Muslim

[IslamAhmadiya]

@hotwahid Since you don't want to discuss anything, I won't force you to respond you my answer to your comment. Holy Prophet (pbuh) himself prophecied about the division of Muslims in this age into 73 SECT. According to the words of Holy Prophet 1 SECT/Jamaat out of those 73 had to be on the right path. So man made sects certainly are there to divide while the Jamaat in Islam established by God himself through the hands of Imam Mahdi was a great Divine plane to bring unity in the world!

[hotwahid]

@IslamAhmadiya one of the group would be correct but the person who thinks he is right will certainly not Only Allah will know ... you're not enter with your goed deeds in paradise but by Allah's SWH forgiveness you wil enter it

[IslamAhmadiya]

@hotwahid Did Holy Prophet (pbuh) say in his hadith that anyone out of those 73 sects who believes that he is following the true path will certainly not be following the right path? It is true that it is Allah who truly knows who is on the right path and who is on the wrong path, but Holy Prophet has given the signs of true Jamaat. Watch this and see how beautifully the hadith of Holy Prophet has come true: /watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo

[rajaftab]

Mumtaz Qadri you are great. You have done a great job. May ALLAH reward you.

[masieha]

@00al47ex00 You have claimed that Jesus AS is a prophet of Allah, but he is no longer a messenger of Allah. Please provide references from Quran and/or Hadith in support of your argument.

[galgadott]

what a shame, this is what has happened to the the people who 'consider' themselves 2 be 'true' and are ignoring the very BASIC teachings of the Holy Quran !!what PITY! truly the people who can truly say they are true muslims are those pure of heart !!! what dont ppl understand...islam=peace, islam=brotherhood...islam=love­4Allah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!not hatred, separation, materialistic goods, political motives.....?may allah help those who cannot understand...ameen!

[ayounb]

@00al47ex00 I truly pity you, for you are in a deep deep ignorant hole, for instead of reading yourself the claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as), you rely on reading summaries from the opponent of the Jamaat. Do yourself a favor and read the claims of the Promissed Messiah(as) in his own books, rather hearing it from your friends. As for Messiah and Mehdi being the same, There is a Hadith of The Holy Prophet(pbuh) That Mahdi is no other than Messiah.[Ibn-Maja]

[KhoonEJiger]

That's why they are facing Allah's wrath.

[masieha]

Holy Prophet Mohammad SAW says, “The Muslim is one from whose tongue and hands other Muslims are safe” (Bukhari). Mumtaz Qadri rejects this beautiful teaching of Mohammad SAW. However, he is named as the hero of Islam by these fanatic people – the followers of THE WORST CREATURES UNDER THE SKY (Mishkat ul Masabih). The mentality of these people is simply disgusting. They have seen the signs of Aazab-e-Elahi via natural disasters, but they don’t want to think.

[IslamAhmadiya]

@00al47ex00 Do you know Jews to this day state that the prophecies about their Messiah have yet not been fulfilled. Do you also know that the enemies of Holy Prophet (pbuh) accused him of being an agent of the surrounding tribes in order to conquer Mecca. Were they right or the true prophets of Allah. So keep your lectures about "origins of Ahmadiyya" to yourself please. Hatoo Burhanakum. (If you have solid proof bring it here). Discuss the issues with me in light of Quran humbly.

[IslamAhmadiya]

@00al47ex00 Do you know Jews also claimed that Jesus (their Messiah) died an accursed death? Muslims today (and you are now following their word blindly unfortunately) make the same against the Promised Messiah (as). Do you continue to see your similarity with the Jews in exact fulfilment of the prophecy of Holy Prophet in which he likened the Muslims of today with the Jews of the time of Jesus? I thought we discussed "Finality of prophethood" earlier? Do you want to discuss the topic again?

[IslamAhmadiya]

@00al47ex00 Name of Promised Messiah is not just Mirza Ghulam rather (Hadhrat) Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Watch this video and see your expectations being so similar in terms to the Messiah to the expections of Jews in reference to their rejected Messiah ie. Jesus: /watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo

All odds are against you from Quran and hadith unless you just want to be stubborn. If odds are with you then bring me proof from Quran where it says Jesus is alive and he would return literally in his physical body.

[IslamAhmadiya]

@00al47ex00 How can one person have two titles of being "Jesus" (metaphorical) and Imam Mahdi? We have had this discussion before too. Here is the link where a non-Ahmadi scholar quotes one of such ahadith: /watch?v=4OdNyOsLaAM

Holy Prophet himself said that the coming Imam Mahdi would have same name as his, his parents name being same as his parents' so on and so forth. That was to indicate that in metaphorical sense the coming of Imam Mahdi will be like the second coming of Muhammad (pbuh).

[hotwahid]

@00al47ex00 100% truth

[ayounb]

@00al47ex00 We believe in the Holy Quran AND Ahadith. We don't just accept one, and try to explain ahadith independently. In order to understand ahadith,you must be firmly grounded in the Holy Quran as well. Non-Ahmadi muslims tend to prove their position by only holding on to specific ahadith. Yet if you took the time the ponder over the Quran and Ahadith together, it becomes clear that 1-Jesus(as) died a natural death 2-That the Second Messiah would be from the Ummah of Holy Prophet(pbuh)

[hotwahid]

@ayounb zn hy now to talk arabic :)

[IslamAhmadiya]

@hotwahid What do you want to discuss? Don't just leave ignorant comments here. If you have anything intelligent to say then discuss the topic with me in a rational, logical and humble way.

[hotwahid]

@IslamAhmadiya i dont want to discuss anithing

a only stand bihid soms answers

[mneasn]

bahut afssos ki baat hai keh Hadrat muhammad SAW ka naam lai ker kataal wo Gharat ki jari hai ........... mera tou dil kaam utha hai yai video dekh ker.

[abdulbaaqi]

If the muslims realy want to live peacefully they will have only one choice to accept faiths of Ahmadiyya Islam.