i hate pro-lifers, but in this case, the perp woman was really that bored??? The PP staff weren't even protesting or doing anything aggressive. The PP staff were just chilling by the street.
What a dumbass. She wasn't even provoked, she was the "bad guy" in this case. What an idiot.
This pro-lifer is lucky he didn't get worse from these freaks.
The "pro-choice" assailant is the type that likes to burn the skin off the unborn babies and rip their spines open when they are half-way out of the womb and trying to cry....or scream.
This pro-lifer is lucky he didn't get worse from these freaks.
The "pro-choice" assailant is the type that likes to burn the skin off the unborn babies and rip their spines open when they are half-way out of the womb and trying to cry....or scream.
Pro-lifers, learn the TRUTH about Abortion & Choice. Most abortions are unwanted or coerced. Many are forced. Learn what you can do about it. Go to theunchoice(dot)com & clinicquotes(dot)com.
@Golgotha357 Free Speech IS a constitutionally protected right: but, as the liberal motto goes, "Tolerance for me, not for thee." Just because something is legal does not make it right (i.e. slavery, etc.). Any way in which you try to confound the issue, abortion is still killing a human being. The terms "embryo" and "fetus" are simply stages of human development such as an infant, toddler, adolescent, etc. A baby outside of the womb is no less dependent on the parents than inside the womb.
Making abortion illegal is not the answer either. 44% of the abortions in the world happen where abortion is illegal at serious risk of the mother dying shortly after. Check out the links in the sidebar for Indoctrination, the pro-life way 1/2, it links to a UK study showing that 44% of abortions performed around the world are illegal. Making contraceptives available, making people aware of contraception and making it affordable is the solution, criminalizing abortion is not.
To top it off, is that a Planned Parenthood, they're standing in front of? Because if it is, only 3% of the services PP provides are abortions, they also provided health services like contraceptives, because remember women, these volunteers don't believe in any social programs to help you raise your child. I go to the Planned Parenthood in my city for gynecological exams and get dirty looks, but oh well, I don't have the money for a 200-300.00 per visit gynecological appointment.
@breemystic According to former PP employees, the 3% statistic is misleading because PP unbundles its services when reporting them. Last year, Planned Parenthood saw 3 million clients and performed 324,008 abortions—at least one in 10 Planned Parenthood clients receives an abortion. As Abby Johnson, ex-PP director and employee of eight years has shared, they push for abortions above anything else because it’s the most profitable part of their business. PP does VERY little prenatal care too.
@LifeReport Fine, 10%, I stand corrected. I was wrong, I am more than happy to say I'm wrong. However, that still means that the majority of people going into that PP center that they're standing outside of are going in there for gynecological care. Which means those people standing outside are making a false judgment towards people who just don't have money to pay a gynecologist. I know I don't.
@breemystic I 100% agree with you. I think the stat is 89% of PP clients are not there for an abortion-related appointment. That's why we train ALL of our volunteers to not say anything judgmental, or even give a judgmental look at someone just because they walk in. We're not protesting women getting birth control or any other health related check ups. We're protesting abortions that kill innocent, vulnerable human beings. I think all pro-lifers standing outside of PP should understand that.
@LifeReport, I'm glad that you do train your volunteers not to look or say anything judgemental. Because what I run into with my PP in Springfield, Ohio, where Abortion is not one of the services my PP provides and because other PP's do abortion, it's seen as the Abortion place, even though the nearest one is 45 minutes from me and is not a PP either. I still get dirty looks when I walk in there and it's just not cool, so thank you for training volunteers to be nonjudgmental.
@LifeReport I also wanted to thank your organization for not using the Graphic Images. One of the main reasons, I'm Pro-Choice which I've been since 2008, is because I went to a church in 2008 that had Presidential Nominee John Kerry/John Edwards. Needless to say alot of people were at my church, this was a big thing, so much that you had to park up to 5 minutes away, when I was walking up to the my church to worship, I had to see those graphic images, because Kerry and Edwards, weren't Pro-Life
@breemystic No matter how much you may prefer a candidate, the fact that he or she supports killling babies is still a significant sticking point. In most political races, voters are limited to choosing between a bad and a worse candidate. But, you are still responsible for the ballot which you cast: you are putting your name behind every decision which that potential president or congressman will make. Sometimes you are forced to take the bad with the good, but you must still oppose the bad.
@huskerfraz So you're defending Pro-Life people holding up signs in front of a CHURCH? That's not exactly what I wanted to see on the way to going to church.
And by the way to most people, the sticking point isn't the candidate's stance on abortion. I know several people that wanted to vote for Kerry/Edwards, because they knew Bush would only have the Rich in mind and they were right considering the Bush Tax Cuts took place and my SS money went to pay for the Bush Tax Cuts.
@breemystic I'm supporting people's right to free speech; it doesn't matter if you want to face the truth, somebody thought you should know it. I said, "the fact that he or she supports killing babies is still A significant sticking point" for some people, not "the" sticking point for everyone. Regardless of a candidate's other credentials, some people can not find it within their conscience to support someone who condones kill babies. Bush tax cuts were only for the ruch? Do your research.
@huskerfraz "I'm supporting people's right to free speech; it doesn't matter if you want to face the truth, somebody thought you should know it."
Okay, outside of what you quoted, I understand that the most important issue right now to Pro-Life people is to overturn Roe V Wade and then make a constitutional amendment to the US constitution giving a fetus a right to own a woman's body and thus making her not a person the moment she gets pregnant.
@huskerfraz I mean seriously, I wish more focus would be put on born people having insurance. I wish more people would get behind universal healthcare.
I live in Ohio by the way, the home of the Heartbeat Bill Abortion ban, that was passed by the Ohio House of Reps that would ban abortion after a Fetal heartbeat can be detected.
On the same day that the house voted for that, they tabled an amendment to require insurance companies to have MATERNITY COVERAGE. How much sense does that make?
@huskerfraz And by the way, at the time, I saw those signs when I was walking to enter my church. I was anti-abortion myself. So you need to stop assuming things about people that you don't know.
The graphic disrespectful signs was one of the reasons why I am Pro-Choice, the other was the fact that it slowly sunk in that once a woman becomes pregnant, then she doesn't own her body again until she delivers, while she's pregnant to anti-abort people her body belongs to the fetus.
@breemystic You're not making any sense, I'm going to have to chalk this up in the "lost causes" column. I hope you realize how shallow those arguments you are using really are and accept some intellectual humility. I'll leave some parting thoughts for you...
@huskerfraz Okay let me help you for a minute. Insulting someone that's on the other side, has a low chance of converting someone to your side. I can change my mind over good arguments, but I don't change my mind, when someone not only doesn't answer any of the questions, I have, but says that I'm not making any sense and that I'm a "lost cause."
First of all, my entire argument was yes it is a human being, what could it likely be a plant? It has human dna. Abortion is killing.
@huskerfraz But not all killing is bad, I've given examples of killing that we condone and don't protest. I didn't see those women that were holding up graphic signs outside of my church, instead of a more respectful sign holding up anti-war, anti-death penalty, anti-police being able to kill someone consider a suspect.
My next argument was that until the Human Fetus or Unborn Human Being can survive outside the womb, it's supported solely by the mother's body.
@huskerfraz If the mother's body is more a part of the unborn human being's body, then why doesn't the woman die when the unborn human being is born if the mother is part of a child?
I'm sure you'll have some names to call me and that's fine. But you know the old saying, you catch more flies with honey then you do vinegar.
@huskerfraz And last but not least, my argument goes back to the fact that the woman has a constitutional right to decide what happens to her reproductive system. She has a right not to be an incubator for an unborn human being. Pregnancy is no walk in the park, it can be fatal or have permanent affects on the woman's body. She gets to decide if she wants to let someone use her body.
That's why when someone gives an organ, blood, plasma, it's called a donation, not mandatory giving.
@breemystic Then she should take the morning after pill.
Clinics are killing infants half-way out of the womb. There is no such thing as a right to kill an infant or child. The situation is now getting even worse than I imagined it could become. There are now reports of mothers murdering infants (ages 4 months to 10 months) and even OLDER CHILDREN (ages 8 to 10 in these stories) and being RELEASED on all charges. No other charges pending on anyone.
@Soothfish How does someone take the morning after pill if she's already pregnant? The morning after pill only stops implantation. Next, "Clinics are killing infants half-way out of the womb." Okay two things, first off, I'm in Ohio. In Ohio there is a Post Viability Abortion Ban, which 41 states in the US have, and the "Partial Birth Abortion" would be a late term abortion. 2nd, Partial Birth Abortion has been illegal in Ohio for years now.
@Soothfish And like I said, I'm one of the 90% of people that are against late term abortions. Only 10% are in favor of it. You're preaching to the choir.
But while you're at it, if this is really a concern about women's health and women dying of reproductive decisions. Keep this in mind, CSection is not natural, birth is. CSection kills women, did you know that of the 873 women that died in Pregnancy related conditions, 839 of those were not due to abortion and 31.1% of those were CSections?
@Soothfish By your logic, if 1 woman dies, then late term abortions should be legal, yet in the 2009 preliminary CDC report and other research I've did on this topic, 31.1% of those 839 women died from CSection. Should we ban that too? Should hospitals be able to get court orders to force the woman to have a CSection, which does happen? But strangely, since this is about women's health, don't care if you're a woman, it's never brought up when CSection Related, again against late term abortion.
@breemystic I don't really see the point in arguing about this sort of thing. Very very few abortions (probably 1%) are done for medical emergencies. Most are done because the woman is fearful of the future and believes that the baby is better off dead than enduring even the slightest difficulty in life (as if any of us have no troubles financial or otherwise!). An even worse attitude is that the baby at any trimester is totally worthless and only adult-like personalities have value. Horrible.
@Soothfish You just used unrelated talking points and put words in my mouth that I didn't say.
THis is what I was responding to. Hopefully, you can show some respect and read what I wrote.
"What happens is that they look the other way until one day a woman dies from a complication."
Should deaths from giving birth via CSection be overlooked? Should CSection be banned, because it has a 1 in 2500 death rate, if your concern is about women's health. CSection is not always medically necessary.
@breemystic That doesn't make sense. A C Section is designed to protect life. An abortion is designed to kill.
Almost everything in the world is potentially dangerous. We don't legalize gunning down a crowded mall just because those people have a small chance of dying some other way.
@Soothfish Should hospitals force a woman, through court order to give birth via CSection when it can kill her at a rate of 1 in 2500 women? If she wants an elective CSection instead of vaginal delivery, should she have to be informed by the OB/GYN about the possibility of her dying from CSection, if it's not medically necessary?
@breemystic Also, C Section is now considered safer than vaginal delivery for many women. Both of my in laws got a C Section. But that's all besides the point.
I would expect any decent human being to risk his or her life if a child was about to be hit by a speeding truck. Child birth may be painful but it is significantly less dangerous than a speeding truck and equally important as saving the child in the highway. Nobody is forced to be heroes but I'm not required to respect selfishness.
@Soothfish And if you don't want to debate, then don't respond to my comment, it's really that simple. You responded to me, I answered and gave you a question that I had based on the part that I quoted.
I am for first trimester abortions, because if a woman, don't care if you're a woman, doesn't have to give born people blood, bone marrow or have her organs given to people upon her death without consent, then she shouldn't be forced to give her blood and kidneys to an unborn.
@Soothfish A woman being forced to let an unborn use her body, and yet she's not forced to give her blood, bone marrow or organs to a born person, implies that Pro-Life people like yourself don't value the born as much as the unborn.
Do you believe that you should legally have to give your blood, bone marrow and have your organs harvested when you die? If not, then why should a woman have to be biological life support?
I appreciate if you've taken time to read my position.
@breemystic This isn't about legality. It may be ultimately impossible to stop a pregnant woman from killing her unborn child.
However, it is still an evil and selfish thing to do. The woman you describe is killing the baby for HER own comfort. There are people in this world who have made incredible personal sacrifices to do what is right. My own aunt has Down Syndrome. My grandparents brought her to term despite pressure to abort. Then they raised three other heroes despite the poverty
@breemystic If you want to get into legality then ok. We already have laws in place that forbid someone from removing life support AND basic nutritional support from a comatose patient without it being explicitly stated in a will or advance health care directive. An unborn child is a somewhat comatose patient that NEVER gives consent to this. Roe Vs Wade 1973 conflicts with this law.
I have an advanced degree in biology so don't bother telling me that the fetus doesn't have a mind. It does.
@Soothfish And before you say, that the woman had a part in making the unborn biologically dependent on the woman's body, answer this question for me.
If a woman has to carry an unborn to term because she created that dependency, then if she passes along a gene for say hemophilia, or a disease that affects the kidney or genes for cancer. Should she have to give blood, bone marrow or a kidney to her born child, because she did make that child dependent on a part of her body to live?
"Women should be able to have control over their own bodies."
Absolutely! However, I would take it a step further and say that everyone, in general, should be able to have control over his or her own body, not just pregnant women. This inalienable right extends to all genders and races regardless of creed, nationality, religion, age, disability, etc. A person’s right to control his or her own body extends only so far as one does not affect other people’s rights to control their own bodies.
"The idea that life starts at conception is just a religious opinion."
Scientifically speaking, when the mother’s egg and the father’s sperm combine a brand new, unique genetic code or DNA strand is instantly formed; that is, a genetically separate and distinct human has been conceived in the formation of the first cell of the embryo.
Until a baby is birthed, it is part of the woman’s body.
A mother is just as attached to the developing child in her womb as the child is physically attached to his or her mother. A mother may be able to survive after being physically separated from the fetus or embryo, like a severed toenail, hair strand, or even a digit or limb, but the developing child cannot survive without the mother. Without the heart, lungs or brain a person cannot survive...
Until a baby is birthed, it is part of the woman’s body.
...because these organs sustain the rest of the body. Functionally, the mother is more accurately a part of the child’s body than the child is a part of the mother’s body.
A fetus is not a human being until it becomes conscious or can survive outside the womb.
A newly birthed infant is no more able to fend for itself outside of the womb than when it was previously inside the womb; the child must still be nourished, cared for and protected for years to come. “Embryo” and “fetus” are simply medical terms denoting a stage in human development such as infant, toddler, adolescent, adult, etc...
A fetus is not a human being until it becomes conscious or can survive outside the womb.
... A human can only reproduce another human, no where along a human’s biological or psychological development does it begin or cease to be a human. If consciousness is the only factor which validates life, then does someone cease to be alive when he or she falls asleep or is knocked unconscious?
@huskerfraz Yes, that's actually what left wingers believe. That is why they kill people who appear irreversibly comatose. Remember Terri Schiavo? If a human being is not able to participate in the world of scumbag liberalism, then the scumbag liberals consider them fair game. They kill the unborn, they kill disabled children, and they kill the comatose.
@huskerfraz And if you ask me, taking money that people have paid to Social Security and other "Entitlements" and putting it into the General Fund for the purpose of funding war, which kills innocent born children and babies and pregnant women and to give the Rich a tax cut, while paving the way for these "entitlement" to be cut to make sure the Rich keep their tax cuts, while the low income people die from hunger, poverty, disease and war is not very Pro-Life.
@breemystic People being allowed to keep the money which they have earned is more important than the gov't coercing the gainfully employed to support the lifestyles of the unemployed who did not responsibly plan for their own wellbeing. I never said I liked Bush, by the way, he had a very liberal agenda: he expanded size of gov't and its reach on regulation, expanded entitlement programs, passed Every Child Left Behind act, TARP, ran up the debt ceiling $5 trillion, etc. Obama is Bush dejavu...
@huskerfraz And by the way, I would have been fine if the Pro-Life group held up a sign like Victor was, because I do respect the right for someone to protest, but I just don't think Graphic Signs of Aborted Embryos and Fetuses or in your language unborn children, was the most respectful way to protest in front of a person's place of worship. I've seen very respectful Pro-Life signs that get the Pro-Life stance across much better.
@breemystic Being kind and honest is not synonymous with nice, and being nice is not always appropriate. Especially when people persist in commiting evil acts such as killing babies. I mean, you aren't really disputing that killing human beings is wrong are you?
@huskerfraz I'm not saying you have to be kind and nice. But when it's a person's place of worship, the people holding up graphic signs should have been respectful. Next, I have a problem with this. "gov't coercing the gainfully employed to support the lifestyles of the unemployed who did not responsibly plan for their own wellbeing." Get this into your head, in the case of medicare and Social Security, PEOPLE have PAID CASH into these programs.
@huskerfraz Clearly you have never lived below the poverty line. I have, I've worked minimum wage and I know people who work minimum wage even though they have a DEGREE. The economy is bad right now and minimum wage at fulltime 40 hours does not pay the bills much less for a retirement fund.
If the elderly shouldn't get medicare and SS then why am I paying into something that I'm never going to get. I don't have money to put into a retirement fund and I'm Gainfully employed.
@huskerfraz That's why people like you will and always be Pro-Human Fetus Life. Do you support the killing of innocent children through war when we go to other countries and start war? Do you support police that can kill a suspect without giving them the right to a trial by jury. Do you support the death penalty considering people serving life terms have been found to be innocent sometimes nearly 2 decades later? That's killing. Yet I know Pro-Life people who support that kind of killing.
@LifeReport Do you think that's right that just because we had a Democratic Presidential Nominee that people in my church should have had to walk past a protest and images of aborted fetuses, just because the majority of the church didn't want to vote George Bush for a 2nd term, who clearly didn't have the majority of the church's needs in mind? Anyway, thank you for a very balanced show and point of view. I've subscribed and you are first Pro-Life organization that I've taken seriously.
You know you can't blame some people for lashing out on Pro-Birth like that, I say Pro-Birth, because those volunteers standing out there only care that the baby is born. VIctor doesn't care what happens after the baby is born.
Now, and please read before attacking me, I do think the way the woman handled herself was just as disrespectful and she definitely shouldn't have been violent.
But on the otherside, there are volunteers at other places that scream insults at people.
This is an awesome video! I like how you were so calm and collected and laugh when she leaves. You can tell you had the armor of Christ on. So then what happened after this????? Did you report her?
I'm comfused, people standing out there not saying anything unless spoken to like the ones heard talking to the cameraman, and someone attacks verbally and physically, then prolife people are acused of violence by the driveby media. Who's the violent ones, huh? Why isn't this type of violence splashed acrossed the Networks. It reminds us of how the Tea Party people were acused of violence also, but all they did was gather and be encouraged. Oh,Tea Party people were attacked also. Yuppers, bias
I don't understand how its legal for you guys to be anywhere near Planned Parenthood. I don't like the way that person reacted, but how are you guys able to be anywhere near a place that performs abortion ? In Canada you're not allowed to be anywhere near the place if you have signs or plan to use language to get your point across in anyway.
He sounded reasonable to me. I don't think they should be trying to get abortion abolished, but helping women in a respectful way to question their decision and maybe not go through with something that they might regret isn't a bad thing at all.
A woman had a question. With no where else to turn, she goes to a church and a preist was there. She asked ''Father, why is there no cure for cancer." He said that he would pray to god for the answer. A week passes and the woman comes back. She says "What did God say Father?" and he said "There was a cure but, the person who had it was aborted."
@tritic16 God probably would have had the same answer if a woman asked why another holocaust hasn't occurred. Sorry, but this is a lousy argument. Great people have been aborted, but horrible people have also been aborted.
that was not assault maybe by lawyer terminology, she interfeared with the direction of your camera as you seem to want to with her life choices, do you stand near toilets as men relieve there tensions, for all the possible lives they may be wasting. Where do you draw the line? maybe promoting options would be a better way of promoting your beliefs than leering at people in a troubling time.
Would it be OK if somebody knocked down the camera of a gay rights group and shouted obsceneties? It's not that much different. Even if people disagree, let them do it in a civilized fashion! No matter what the beliefs are at stake, that woman wasn't in the right to do what she did.
@XploitedbyAbortion Have you ever heard of Abby Johnson? She was the director of a Planned Parenthood in Texas who quit after seeing an ultrasound of an abortion, and after being told by her superior that she needs to push abortion more, for that was where the money was. So yes, money is a MASSIVE motivator. It's what makes PP the most money, and a lot of the services they provide is to set up for an abortion (contraceptives, especially the crappy ones they give out, can fail, and they know it).
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@XploitedbyAbortion Hey bitch, wanted to tell you something. Don't blame things on yourself because you're retarded and feel remorseful for killing a human being. The baby, unless you did it after the 3rd-4th month was as alive as a rock. Don't listen to what 'life' fags are telling you and move on with your life. Unless you were damaged in some physical way and can't have another child. If you werent, go on and fuck like a bunny if you want a kid. You did nothing wrong, just gave yourself time.
Usually when people want to do abortions are: People who don't have the economic efficiency to raise a child, people who got pregnant without their consent(rape, dumped by their boyfriend, one night stands). If children come to life from them, they will sure be poor, mistreated, and generally will have poor life quality. You 'pro'-lifers should think a bit of the damage you're causing. Which is a lot. Let me list the problems you cause too.
Hi Razgrits. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I'll respond in a reply to your last comment instead of replying to each individual comment, because that gets really confusing later.
I disagree that religious people are more likely to kill than atheists, because religious people believe that there are eternal consequences to their actions. Atheists don't, which is probably why you see much more bloodshed in the last century due to atheist beliefs than religious ones.
Men care what women do because we believe the entity killed in an abortion is a living human being. (More on that later.) So just like men should care if women suddenly started killing their toddlers all over the world, we care about abortion. However, keep in mind, argument don'ts have gender. People do. You must attack our argument, which you do in later posts, and not just our gender. After all, female pro-lifers make the same arguments male pro-lifers do.
Your argument about masturbation is a common one, but it makes the mistake of confusing parts with wholes. Somatic cells and sperm/ovum are parts of our bodies. But embryologists agree something changes during fertilization. The sperm and ovum die and a new individual, living organism is created, the human embryo. That simple fact is not disputed among scientists. Whether that embryo is valuable or not IS disputed, but no biologist things masturbation kills millions of people. Nor should you.
You're right, I don't remember being born. The problem is, your argument proves too much. If creating lasting memories is what makes a person valuable, than we should be able to kill our own children until they're around 2 years old. So obviously the ability to create memories is not what makes us valuable, so remembering our birth is irrelevant to the abortion debate. It DOES have a brain at birth, in fact much earlier than birth. You can do some research online and learn about that though.
If abortion doesn't kill a human being, than you shouldn't need to defend the reasons women have abortions. If abortion doesn't kill a human being, I won't care about abortion anymore, because it would be tantamount to having a mole removed. However if it DOES kill a human being, than no justification for abortion is adequate, just as no justification for killing a toddler is adequate.
Your accusation of us being "retards" are simply more ad-hominem attacks, so I won't bother responding to it.
See, you just have to have an excuse for everything. So, let me answer the same way. About atheism's fault on more deaths over the past centuries. Let me remind you of the dark ages of Christianity. The inquisition? Reminds you anything, yeah, we love that don't we... oh- and Hitler was a Christians, he hated Jews too- I'm sure Orthodox people must love him. I'm sure that covers the religious part of the discussion. Now, you're right, alone sperm is nothing, alone an ovary is nothing...
Together though, they are an embryo, which is the greek word for fetus so lets stick with that. The brain is created at the earliest stage, I can't help but agree, but the neurons are hardly working. In fact, at first they don't. And usually abortions happen in the very early stages of pregnancy, if not, it usually happens for more important reasons than 'personal' choice. Which means the baby will be dying yes, but if the woman knows she doesn't want a baby, and does before it's too late
and puts her own life at risk while 'murdering' the baby, then I'm sure you wouldn't mind, right? Yet, your question was, 'is there actually a right time to kill a baby? Can we be sure the baby isn't a human being yet?' No, but why do you have to be so grim about it? You are not the one carrying it, and you sure aren't the baby. Why do you care that much? What if that baby was born under the wrong circumstances? You never answered me, would you like to be a baby, which instead of being aborted>
was born in a world, where your father had dumped your mother, your mother died from suicide a bit after your birth because she couldn't raise you, and you are stuck with your uncle, a drunk abusive bastard with a sadistic-streak? You see why abortions are important? I mean, this is an extreme case, but you know, it's possible. It's one of the many possible outcomes. Why let it happen? Who are YOU to put someone through so much torture? That's what I want to know.
I'm against abortion because it kills an innocent, living human being. I don't think people are valuable based on their current capacity to use their brain. So yes, I do "mind" when young babies are aborted too.
I'm so grim about it because abortion is a grim thing. Look it up on youtube and see that evidence for yourself. I'm grim about it the same way I hope I would have been grim about slavery, even though it wouldn't have effected me personally. I would have been grim about the Holocaust even if I wasn't Jewish, BECAUSE the Holocaust is a grim subject, whether it effects you personally or not.
If the potential for living a tough life is enough to legitimize abortion, or even make it "important" in your words, why not extend that logic to it's natural conclusion? We should immediately kill all toddlers, even teenagers living in homes with abusive parents. After all, who are YOU to put someone through so much torture by keeping them alive?
If your response is that it's different to kill the toddler or teenager, then the question is, what is different about the unborn that we should be able to kill them but not toddlers for the same reason?
The point is, in one case you have a dead mother and an abused child and in the other none abused and one """death""" which isn't even death because, the importance of memories is that you care know what pain feels like and remember it, hold it inside you and having torture you, understanding your surroundings and what you go through. Is it THAT hard to understand? I really don't get your mindset. If you are a true christian then you should consider abortion,
since it's an innocent soul it will go straight to heaven. You should consider that if it makes you feel better. I personally just think of them as THINGS that don't hold memories nor have the capacity to understand pain so it doesn't matter to them, nor us, if they are dead or alive. They WILL become alive the moment they see the world, as long as they are in there, they are as much of living being as the stomach or the bladder or a tooth. And since they are a part of that woman's body
She has every right to 'give it up'. I can't see why would you put someone through a guilt trip about it, just so you can have them get tortured for the rest of their life because they slept with the wrong person, they got raped, they were forced by family, they were drunk, they made the wrong decision, or a condom broke which then- it's the man's fault.
Just tell me this so we can end it, you understand that what you are doing is evil? If your answer is yes, I'll simply leave and let you be.
See, this is frustrating, because you won't even ackowledge that somebody has "died" if they're killed while they aren't making memories.
Are you a Christian? If not, I see no need to respond to your "Christian" argument for abortion, since I don't think you believe that argument. I think it's a ploy to make me stop caring and go away. If you ARE a Christian and really believe that, than I'd be glad to have a theological dialogue on the subject.
Unborn babies ARE in the world, they're just outside the woman's body yet. I don't think people's value is dependent upon their location. I flew to Trinidad a few months ago for a speaking tour. If THAT trip didn't change who I am, than a 6-inch trip down a birth canal certainly doesn't either.
It's certainly convenient for you to choose to think of unborn babies as "THINGS." You wouldn't be the first to dehumanize a group of human beings that are unwanted. However, people are people no matter what you personally choose to think of them as. I could think of homeless people as "THINGS" or "TARGETS," but that wouldn't make them any less human.
You're confusing parts and wholes when you confuse babies with bladders and teeth. Those organs are a PART of a whole body, whereas the unborn are a WHOLE self-integrating entity, who has his or her own parts working for the good of his or her whole body. This is rather elementary biology we're talking about here, but it's an important distinction.
Obviously I don't think what I'm doing is evil. I think very few people actually think what they do is evil. But that doesn't mean there isn't a right of wrong answer. We can both think we're right, but the absence of consensus does not equal the absence of truth. (For example, most people used to think the Earth was flat, even though it never was.)
Really, this is pointless, you're pathetic, dangerous and retarded. There is absolutely no way you think this is logical. but for having a 'theological' answer to give me as well, I see you already thought about the subject on christian levels too, which simply means it's full of crap. So the point is people stop believing in imaginary friends like god and start thinking with logic, maybe this will solve the abortion deal along with the christianity deal.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I've provided you sophisticated arguments on a scientific and philosophical level. You've mainly responded with attacking my character, yet you charge that I'm the one being illogical. You won't even attempt to refute my latest arguments. So I wish you well, and sorry we couldn't move the dialogue further.
There is no point to answer you if you just won't actually understand, and type words randomly out that you heard being used by 'smart' people... sophisticated arguments? Shhs- my toaster is more sophisticated than that, and as far as scientific and philosophical goes I've gone through a whole different level with that my friend, you can't possibly believe anything you said is either of these three things, and no, that wasn't an attack, it was a simple claim as to what you are. Naturally.
@falkenlaser Liberals? Tolerant? Dude, I am me, I don't categorize myself in a group of people that share a political side or belief or generally anything. I am myself, as everyone should be. I have my ideas which are mostly fucked up, fucked up but LOGICAL. People like the uploader here are just dangerous because I had personal experience with a friend who wanted an abortion and one of these assholes changed her mind... now she's uneducated and a mother living at her mother's... good life, huh?
@Razgrits If your friend really wanted an abortion, she could have chose to ignore that sidewalk counselor, and gotten the abortion. But, since she did talk to him, and chose to keep her baby, then it sounds like she wasn't fully sure she wanted one.
If you claim to be pro-CHOICE, you should support her decision for keeping the baby. But, it sounds like you would rather her had the abortion, which would make you pro-abortion instead of pro-choice.
@Razgrits Also, look what XploitedbyAbortion said. She's had an abortion, and she wishes there were some sidewalk protesters outside the abortion clinic she went to, for she regrets her abortion now, just like many women do. Just because a women gets an abortion doesn't mean she's going to lead a "good life".
It's too bad the people who work at these clinics don't live up to the idea of "choice" they promote. If they did, they would provide the same info these pro-life advocates give out.
@falkenlaser XploitedbyAbortion has a retarded name to begin with and that only, for me, weights down her words for this specific matter. Now, for my friend which you don't know but still try to act like you do: Pro-lifers as such low scums that not only use illogical ways like acting as if it's biology, but if that fails they will turn the subject straight to 'god' and say, god doesn't want you to kill babies. I support her choice of keeping the child, but I don't support the life she leads>>
@Razgrits Wow. You said your ideas are fucked up, and I agree, but I think this one is illogical. Just because someone has a name you think is stupid, even if they make a valid point (that does blast your point away), you ignore them. I think it's that you just don't want to look at the other side. You want to live in your own little world, in which the only truth is what you want to be the truth.
@falkenlaser Dodging my questions? Fine, in anycase, you are the ones living in your own little world, I can't really tell you how sarcastic what you said is, and at the same time makes you such a hypocrite. You're telling me I live in my own little world while you are the one who's supporting some godly fagots that ruin other people's lives and overpopulate this place. A woman can give birth to other babies, 'letting go' of a single one won't make a difference if she wants a child in the future
@Razgritz Alright, I'm going to make this clear. If you don't understand it, you're hopeless:
SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO THOSE PRO-LIFERS! IF SHE REALLY WANTED AN ABORTION, SHE COULD HAVE HAD ONE! THE PRO-LIFERS WEREN'T FORCING HER!
And, you dodged what I said. XPLOITEDBYABORION HAD AN ABORTION, AND REGRETS IT! SHE WISHES THEIR WAS PRO-LIFERS TO HELP HER BEFORE SHE GOT ONE! WHAT, WOULD YOU RATHER WOMEN WHO ARE UNSURE ABOUT GETTING ONE GET ONE, AND REGRET IT LATER?
@falkenlaser A child that she can support, not a child that will be raised in humility and have an uneducated stripper for a mother.Just because two fagots out in the street made her feel remorseful for a life changing decision which usually is for the better of both mother and child.For the woman to be considering an abortion there is a reason,so people should just shut the fuck up and leave her alone to pick what she wants. Not cause depression to her for what should have been an easy decision
@Razgrits You are living in your own little world because you're completely ignoring what else could happen. XploitedbyAbortion is an example of this. But, you ignores what she says, all because you don't like her name. What I think you don't like is that she proves your point wrong, and you don't want to face that fact! Yes, it IS unfortunate that your friend is unhappy, but who's to say her life is ALWAYS going to be like that?
@Razgrits Also, you asked me one question, and that is if your friend killed herself. I think that would be terrible. But, who's to say she wouldn't if she got an abortion? Say she got a job at an abortion clinic, and she watched an abortion on an ultrasound screen. After seeing it, she became super depressed, and ended up killing herself because she realised she had before killed a baby.
@Razgrits Don't believe that this could happen? Look up Abby Johnson. She quit her director position at a Planned Parenthood after seeing an ultrasound of an abortion, for she saw it was indeed a human, and alive. When it was touched with the cannula, it woke up, and began trying to swim away. When it was finally caught, it still was struggling to get away. But then, its body parts were pulled apart. Who's to say a clinic worker who had an abortion saw this, and entered into clinical depression?
@falkenlaser Okay, now you're just forcing me to call you a retard. Well, Xploited can always get another child, the last thing she needs is retard like you telling her she killed a living human being. And just to add on that, that retardness, about babies moving while being aborted is totally fake. I don't know which pro-lifer scumbag got that out in the open and you uneducated Christians believe like your fucking god. Make your studies, if they baby is big enough to move you CAN'T abort it.
@falkenlaser It is just physically impossible to remove it without injuring and threatening the mother's life. And that's after the forth month. When the baby has evolved enough to grow it's fucking head. Before that, the brain is semi function. There are occasional electrical discharges to start up the body's main motor skills for later use after the birth. And your reasoning is one of a special needs child... 'what ifs' don't work here, put some fucking facts down.
@falkenlaser If I go on about 'Who's to say your mom doesn't have balls and your dad is gay?' I can start pointing at random situations too. If you look at things logical. My friend, because I know her, if she had an abortion, she'd be more successful with her life, and get another child when she's MORE prepared for it. And for the last time, baby's don't struggle against abortionists. Check your sources, not fake vids and shit people pass at you. Find a legit site with encyclopedic knowledge.
@Razgrits And oh yeah, your rage on how bad us pro-lifers are isn't going to stop our cause. Even if abortion is legal forever, there's still going to be girls like XploitedbyAbortion who want us or later wish we were there.
@falkenlaser Main difference? When you get an abortion, you can have a baby later, when you don't, your life, and your baby's life are ruined. Forever. Whatever cause or beliefs you may have it won't change facts, Abby isn't a fucking fact, it's a fucking retard.
@Razgrits Hey everyone, in a personal message he sent me, Razgrits promised to kill pro-lifers someday. Here's some further proof pro-"choice" people support violence.
Thanks Razgrits. You've helped us prove out point.
Yeah, actually I have planned to take out more than 50 members of the top of pro-life movement, listed all to be killed at the same day by 20 different individuals. And none will find out how it happened or who's at fault. Of course you can blame pro-choice people if you want. After all, we are the infidel, illogical assholes, who are completely retarded because they don't believe there is a man in the sky that will burn people in fire pits because they get abortions.
@falkenlaser The point of the matter is, you people have the right to express your own 'beliefs' to people WHO COME and ask you. Not pick people that are about to take one and put them in a guilt trip in hopes they'll share your beliefs and move towards SALVATION! Shit, who the FUCK do you think you are? Just saying that sickened me. Who do you think you are to advise someone for something so personal?! And on top of everything, think you're doing something good!
@falkenlaser If it wasn't for that baby, right now, this girl wouldn't be a fat ass, yes, I'm anti fat, don't like that too I guess? I just dislike to see people eating more than what they need. Now, she has a baby which she must feed and take care off and lose time of her studies and work at a humiliating job to keep both herself and the baby fed while living under her mother's roof, you're retarded. Would her killing herself make you understand? Doubt it, you'd blame it somewhere else.
[>]3. Yeah, you people are retards. You cause more damage, in your attempts to save a 'human' being which I again repeat, it's not a human at least until it's born... personally I don't consider it a human up until it's at least 1 - 2 years old so it's brain is functional and it grows capable of holding memories. Well, you ruin the lives of REAL human beings by making them feel guilty or by making them have a child. This child will probably not have a fair life....
[>]If you don't already know it, every time you masturbate you kill millions of potential children. Every time you have sex, again you kill millions of potential human beings. So, why don't women have the right to kill of a potential human being just like we men do. Besides, I doubt you remember coming out of your mom's cunt, at least I don't, so I doubt the 'child' cares if it dies, or the fact that it doesn't see the difference. It's just a pile of cells with no brain.[Cont]
You know what I see here? The people who are commenting at least... And please, tell me if I am wrong.
1.Christians
2.Men
3.People who's iq is a lot less than average. i.e. retards.
Let me explain now.
1.Yes, those who believe in god just because it's a popular belief without questioning and wondering and generally don't have a mind of their own, are just as likely to kill for their religion like they did in the dark ages of Christianity.
2.Why the fuck do men care what women do?[continue]
I consider myself prochoice, but this kind of behavior is completely uncalled for and quite outrageous. Everyone has the right to peacefully express their opinion...that's what democracy and this country is all about.
I 100% agree with you, and thanks for commenting. Abortion is a tough issue, but good people on both sides of this debate can come together and have a rational dialogue about it, instead of screaming at each other, or worse, assaulting one another.
My only question is was this woman ever brought up and convicted of any assault charges.I ask because I truly hope she was.I dont care how strongly you feel about and issue you dont have the right to attack someone with an opposing view.
She is being charged, and we were able to get her license number. She hasn't been convicted yet based on how long these processes take, but I'm sure she'll end up being fined.
Neither of them were abortion-minded. They were there for birth control or prenatal testing. They were surprised by the assault, but stuck around for a while after to finish their conversation with Victor.
Neither of them were abortion-minded. They were there for birth control or prenatal testing. They were surpsied by the assault, but stuck around for a while after to finish their conversation with Victor.
That surprises me, as the hateful content came from the pro-choice gal, and so I assume you do this hoping youtube will take down the video, and that's just censorship. I'm anti-censorship, of both pro-life and pro-choice videos.
ThomasJS1, don't talk in generalities. Not ALL of them would do that. Just like not ALL pro-lifers are murderers. There are wackos on both sides. I 100% condemn the psycho that murdered Dr. Tiller.
There is something called tack and lack of it. Pro-lifers picket a planned parenthood location is what I call lack of tack. 1. It's none of you business. 2. She is free to take information or not . 3. Who are you to judge.
Sorry, I'm kind of anal about spelling. The word you were using is spelled "tact." A tack is an object you use to suspend pictures or calendars on your wall. :) Secondly, it's not a lack of tact to picket peacefully in front of abortion clinics. We feel very strongly that murdering unborn children is wrong. Where else can we/they make a difference but in front of a building that exploits that very inhumanity?
Thirdly (actually, I think this is my second point, but anyway...) She is free to take information or not. No one at these vigils forces the information on anyone. Plus, no one at these vigils judges anyone. They're not there to judge, only to try and get people to think twice about an issue that they've probably been misinformed about.
This is a prime example of the hypocricy of the abortion industry & their supporters. They consider any attempt by a Pro-lifer to tell a woman there is an alternative to abortion verbal abuse. But when they really verbally & physically abuse a Pro-lifer it is OK.
I see a woman a in post abortion trauma here. Let's pray for her. Okay. This is a bit like "road rage" ... frustration, crowdedness, uncertainty ... lack of peace ... she pursued "abortion rage" right up to direct attack. Pray for her. People who do not realy care or understand, do not experience rage. Pray for her. Please
I like how the girls who were actually in the Planned Parenthood clinic say, "Does that happen to you all the time?" Apparently they weren't even upset by the peaceful protesters that were standing there.
She obviously feels that a vacuum and some metal objects propped up inside a women is what they all have been wanting their whole lives. That is what rights are all about right? There is a reason they do not let you hold your child if it survives the salt burn attempt to kill it...natural instinct tends to trump the ideologies of the pro -kill-the -baby crowd. I guess whats weird is to want to love your child and hold it when you see and hear it.
Yeah, all pro-lifers must be like that, since it's happened what- 3 times in 20 years? How many pro-lifers are there? I thought you on the Left tell people all the time not to stereotype!
What does a "sky god" have to do with this? These people are against killing human beings and you're obviously in favor of it. Stick to your convictions if this is really what you believe, rather than trying to bring religion into this.
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Kimwed2b 2 weeks ago
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Kimwed2b 2 weeks ago
i hate pro-lifers, but in this case, the perp woman was really that bored??? The PP staff weren't even protesting or doing anything aggressive. The PP staff were just chilling by the street.
What a dumbass. She wasn't even provoked, she was the "bad guy" in this case. What an idiot.
Wolfboy183 1 month ago
This pro-lifer is lucky he didn't get worse from these freaks.
The "pro-choice" assailant is the type that likes to burn the skin off the unborn babies and rip their spines open when they are half-way out of the womb and trying to cry....or scream.
Soothfish 3 months ago
This pro-lifer is lucky he didn't get worse from these freaks.
The "pro-choice" assailant is the type that likes to burn the skin off the unborn babies and rip their spines open when they are half-way out of the womb and trying to cry....or scream.
Soothfish 3 months ago
Pro-lifers, learn the TRUTH about Abortion & Choice. Most abortions are unwanted or coerced. Many are forced. Learn what you can do about it. Go to theunchoice(dot)com & clinicquotes(dot)com.
n4kma 6 months ago
@n4kma But coercing a woman to carry to term or give up a baby for adoption is totally okay.
breemystic 5 months ago
When you go protesting constitutionally protected rights then be prepared to get knocked out.
Golgotha357 7 months ago
@Golgotha357 Free Speech IS a constitutionally protected right: but, as the liberal motto goes, "Tolerance for me, not for thee." Just because something is legal does not make it right (i.e. slavery, etc.). Any way in which you try to confound the issue, abortion is still killing a human being. The terms "embryo" and "fetus" are simply stages of human development such as an infant, toddler, adolescent, etc. A baby outside of the womb is no less dependent on the parents than inside the womb.
huskerfraz 5 months ago
Making abortion illegal is not the answer either. 44% of the abortions in the world happen where abortion is illegal at serious risk of the mother dying shortly after. Check out the links in the sidebar for Indoctrination, the pro-life way 1/2, it links to a UK study showing that 44% of abortions performed around the world are illegal. Making contraceptives available, making people aware of contraception and making it affordable is the solution, criminalizing abortion is not.
breemystic 8 months ago
Shows what violence will do. NOTHING. Violence will get you nowhere in life. And abortion is not the answer.
mjt19741 9 months ago
To top it off, is that a Planned Parenthood, they're standing in front of? Because if it is, only 3% of the services PP provides are abortions, they also provided health services like contraceptives, because remember women, these volunteers don't believe in any social programs to help you raise your child. I go to the Planned Parenthood in my city for gynecological exams and get dirty looks, but oh well, I don't have the money for a 200-300.00 per visit gynecological appointment.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic According to former PP employees, the 3% statistic is misleading because PP unbundles its services when reporting them. Last year, Planned Parenthood saw 3 million clients and performed 324,008 abortions—at least one in 10 Planned Parenthood clients receives an abortion. As Abby Johnson, ex-PP director and employee of eight years has shared, they push for abortions above anything else because it’s the most profitable part of their business. PP does VERY little prenatal care too.
LifeReport 9 months ago 2
@LifeReport Fine, 10%, I stand corrected. I was wrong, I am more than happy to say I'm wrong. However, that still means that the majority of people going into that PP center that they're standing outside of are going in there for gynecological care. Which means those people standing outside are making a false judgment towards people who just don't have money to pay a gynecologist. I know I don't.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic I 100% agree with you. I think the stat is 89% of PP clients are not there for an abortion-related appointment. That's why we train ALL of our volunteers to not say anything judgmental, or even give a judgmental look at someone just because they walk in. We're not protesting women getting birth control or any other health related check ups. We're protesting abortions that kill innocent, vulnerable human beings. I think all pro-lifers standing outside of PP should understand that.
LifeReport 9 months ago 2
@LifeReport, I'm glad that you do train your volunteers not to look or say anything judgemental. Because what I run into with my PP in Springfield, Ohio, where Abortion is not one of the services my PP provides and because other PP's do abortion, it's seen as the Abortion place, even though the nearest one is 45 minutes from me and is not a PP either. I still get dirty looks when I walk in there and it's just not cool, so thank you for training volunteers to be nonjudgmental.
breemystic 9 months ago
@LifeReport I also wanted to thank your organization for not using the Graphic Images. One of the main reasons, I'm Pro-Choice which I've been since 2008, is because I went to a church in 2008 that had Presidential Nominee John Kerry/John Edwards. Needless to say alot of people were at my church, this was a big thing, so much that you had to park up to 5 minutes away, when I was walking up to the my church to worship, I had to see those graphic images, because Kerry and Edwards, weren't Pro-Life
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic No matter how much you may prefer a candidate, the fact that he or she supports killling babies is still a significant sticking point. In most political races, voters are limited to choosing between a bad and a worse candidate. But, you are still responsible for the ballot which you cast: you are putting your name behind every decision which that potential president or congressman will make. Sometimes you are forced to take the bad with the good, but you must still oppose the bad.
huskerfraz 5 months ago
@huskerfraz So you're defending Pro-Life people holding up signs in front of a CHURCH? That's not exactly what I wanted to see on the way to going to church.
And by the way to most people, the sticking point isn't the candidate's stance on abortion. I know several people that wanted to vote for Kerry/Edwards, because they knew Bush would only have the Rich in mind and they were right considering the Bush Tax Cuts took place and my SS money went to pay for the Bush Tax Cuts.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic I'm supporting people's right to free speech; it doesn't matter if you want to face the truth, somebody thought you should know it. I said, "the fact that he or she supports killing babies is still A significant sticking point" for some people, not "the" sticking point for everyone. Regardless of a candidate's other credentials, some people can not find it within their conscience to support someone who condones kill babies. Bush tax cuts were only for the ruch? Do your research.
huskerfraz 5 months ago
@huskerfraz "I'm supporting people's right to free speech; it doesn't matter if you want to face the truth, somebody thought you should know it."
Okay, outside of what you quoted, I understand that the most important issue right now to Pro-Life people is to overturn Roe V Wade and then make a constitutional amendment to the US constitution giving a fetus a right to own a woman's body and thus making her not a person the moment she gets pregnant.
breemystic 5 months ago
@huskerfraz I mean seriously, I wish more focus would be put on born people having insurance. I wish more people would get behind universal healthcare.
I live in Ohio by the way, the home of the Heartbeat Bill Abortion ban, that was passed by the Ohio House of Reps that would ban abortion after a Fetal heartbeat can be detected.
On the same day that the house voted for that, they tabled an amendment to require insurance companies to have MATERNITY COVERAGE. How much sense does that make?
breemystic 5 months ago
@huskerfraz And by the way, at the time, I saw those signs when I was walking to enter my church. I was anti-abortion myself. So you need to stop assuming things about people that you don't know.
The graphic disrespectful signs was one of the reasons why I am Pro-Choice, the other was the fact that it slowly sunk in that once a woman becomes pregnant, then she doesn't own her body again until she delivers, while she's pregnant to anti-abort people her body belongs to the fetus.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic You're not making any sense, I'm going to have to chalk this up in the "lost causes" column. I hope you realize how shallow those arguments you are using really are and accept some intellectual humility. I'll leave some parting thoughts for you...
huskerfraz 5 months ago
@huskerfraz Okay let me help you for a minute. Insulting someone that's on the other side, has a low chance of converting someone to your side. I can change my mind over good arguments, but I don't change my mind, when someone not only doesn't answer any of the questions, I have, but says that I'm not making any sense and that I'm a "lost cause."
First of all, my entire argument was yes it is a human being, what could it likely be a plant? It has human dna. Abortion is killing.
breemystic 5 months ago
@huskerfraz But not all killing is bad, I've given examples of killing that we condone and don't protest. I didn't see those women that were holding up graphic signs outside of my church, instead of a more respectful sign holding up anti-war, anti-death penalty, anti-police being able to kill someone consider a suspect.
My next argument was that until the Human Fetus or Unborn Human Being can survive outside the womb, it's supported solely by the mother's body.
breemystic 5 months ago
@huskerfraz If the mother's body is more a part of the unborn human being's body, then why doesn't the woman die when the unborn human being is born if the mother is part of a child?
I'm sure you'll have some names to call me and that's fine. But you know the old saying, you catch more flies with honey then you do vinegar.
breemystic 5 months ago
@huskerfraz And last but not least, my argument goes back to the fact that the woman has a constitutional right to decide what happens to her reproductive system. She has a right not to be an incubator for an unborn human being. Pregnancy is no walk in the park, it can be fatal or have permanent affects on the woman's body. She gets to decide if she wants to let someone use her body.
That's why when someone gives an organ, blood, plasma, it's called a donation, not mandatory giving.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic Then she should take the morning after pill.
Clinics are killing infants half-way out of the womb. There is no such thing as a right to kill an infant or child. The situation is now getting even worse than I imagined it could become. There are now reports of mothers murdering infants (ages 4 months to 10 months) and even OLDER CHILDREN (ages 8 to 10 in these stories) and being RELEASED on all charges. No other charges pending on anyone.
Soothfish 3 months ago
@Soothfish How does someone take the morning after pill if she's already pregnant? The morning after pill only stops implantation. Next, "Clinics are killing infants half-way out of the womb." Okay two things, first off, I'm in Ohio. In Ohio there is a Post Viability Abortion Ban, which 41 states in the US have, and the "Partial Birth Abortion" would be a late term abortion. 2nd, Partial Birth Abortion has been illegal in Ohio for years now.
Murdering infants is an entirely different thing.
breemystic 3 months ago
@breemystic What happens is that they look the other way until one day a woman dies from a complication.
Soothfish 3 months ago
@Soothfish And like I said, I'm one of the 90% of people that are against late term abortions. Only 10% are in favor of it. You're preaching to the choir.
But while you're at it, if this is really a concern about women's health and women dying of reproductive decisions. Keep this in mind, CSection is not natural, birth is. CSection kills women, did you know that of the 873 women that died in Pregnancy related conditions, 839 of those were not due to abortion and 31.1% of those were CSections?
breemystic 3 months ago
@Soothfish By your logic, if 1 woman dies, then late term abortions should be legal, yet in the 2009 preliminary CDC report and other research I've did on this topic, 31.1% of those 839 women died from CSection. Should we ban that too? Should hospitals be able to get court orders to force the woman to have a CSection, which does happen? But strangely, since this is about women's health, don't care if you're a woman, it's never brought up when CSection Related, again against late term abortion.
breemystic 3 months ago
@breemystic I don't really see the point in arguing about this sort of thing. Very very few abortions (probably 1%) are done for medical emergencies. Most are done because the woman is fearful of the future and believes that the baby is better off dead than enduring even the slightest difficulty in life (as if any of us have no troubles financial or otherwise!). An even worse attitude is that the baby at any trimester is totally worthless and only adult-like personalities have value. Horrible.
Soothfish 3 months ago
@Soothfish You didn't address the point in my post about CSection.
breemystic 3 months ago
@Soothfish You just used unrelated talking points and put words in my mouth that I didn't say.
THis is what I was responding to. Hopefully, you can show some respect and read what I wrote.
"What happens is that they look the other way until one day a woman dies from a complication."
Should deaths from giving birth via CSection be overlooked? Should CSection be banned, because it has a 1 in 2500 death rate, if your concern is about women's health. CSection is not always medically necessary.
breemystic 3 months ago
@breemystic That doesn't make sense. A C Section is designed to protect life. An abortion is designed to kill.
Almost everything in the world is potentially dangerous. We don't legalize gunning down a crowded mall just because those people have a small chance of dying some other way.
Soothfish 3 months ago
@Soothfish Should hospitals force a woman, through court order to give birth via CSection when it can kill her at a rate of 1 in 2500 women? If she wants an elective CSection instead of vaginal delivery, should she have to be informed by the OB/GYN about the possibility of her dying from CSection, if it's not medically necessary?
breemystic 3 months ago
@breemystic Also, C Section is now considered safer than vaginal delivery for many women. Both of my in laws got a C Section. But that's all besides the point.
I would expect any decent human being to risk his or her life if a child was about to be hit by a speeding truck. Child birth may be painful but it is significantly less dangerous than a speeding truck and equally important as saving the child in the highway. Nobody is forced to be heroes but I'm not required to respect selfishness.
Soothfish 3 months ago
@Soothfish And if you don't want to debate, then don't respond to my comment, it's really that simple. You responded to me, I answered and gave you a question that I had based on the part that I quoted.
I am for first trimester abortions, because if a woman, don't care if you're a woman, doesn't have to give born people blood, bone marrow or have her organs given to people upon her death without consent, then she shouldn't be forced to give her blood and kidneys to an unborn.
breemystic 3 months ago
@breemystic As much as I hate debating this, there is no other choice. This is a matter of life or death.
Soothfish 3 months ago
@Soothfish A woman being forced to let an unborn use her body, and yet she's not forced to give her blood, bone marrow or organs to a born person, implies that Pro-Life people like yourself don't value the born as much as the unborn.
Do you believe that you should legally have to give your blood, bone marrow and have your organs harvested when you die? If not, then why should a woman have to be biological life support?
I appreciate if you've taken time to read my position.
breemystic 3 months ago
@breemystic This isn't about legality. It may be ultimately impossible to stop a pregnant woman from killing her unborn child.
However, it is still an evil and selfish thing to do. The woman you describe is killing the baby for HER own comfort. There are people in this world who have made incredible personal sacrifices to do what is right. My own aunt has Down Syndrome. My grandparents brought her to term despite pressure to abort. Then they raised three other heroes despite the poverty
Soothfish 3 months ago
@breemystic If you want to get into legality then ok. We already have laws in place that forbid someone from removing life support AND basic nutritional support from a comatose patient without it being explicitly stated in a will or advance health care directive. An unborn child is a somewhat comatose patient that NEVER gives consent to this. Roe Vs Wade 1973 conflicts with this law.
I have an advanced degree in biology so don't bother telling me that the fetus doesn't have a mind. It does.
Soothfish 3 months ago
@Soothfish And before you say, that the woman had a part in making the unborn biologically dependent on the woman's body, answer this question for me.
If a woman has to carry an unborn to term because she created that dependency, then if she passes along a gene for say hemophilia, or a disease that affects the kidney or genes for cancer. Should she have to give blood, bone marrow or a kidney to her born child, because she did make that child dependent on a part of her body to live?
breemystic 3 months ago
@breemystic I don't understand what you are saying. The procedure you describe is not a treatment for hemophilia.
Soothfish 3 months ago
"Women should be able to have control over their own bodies."
Absolutely! However, I would take it a step further and say that everyone, in general, should be able to have control over his or her own body, not just pregnant women. This inalienable right extends to all genders and races regardless of creed, nationality, religion, age, disability, etc. A person’s right to control his or her own body extends only so far as one does not affect other people’s rights to control their own bodies.
huskerfraz 5 months ago
"The idea that life starts at conception is just a religious opinion."
Scientifically speaking, when the mother’s egg and the father’s sperm combine a brand new, unique genetic code or DNA strand is instantly formed; that is, a genetically separate and distinct human has been conceived in the formation of the first cell of the embryo.
huskerfraz 5 months ago
Until a baby is birthed, it is part of the woman’s body.
A mother is just as attached to the developing child in her womb as the child is physically attached to his or her mother. A mother may be able to survive after being physically separated from the fetus or embryo, like a severed toenail, hair strand, or even a digit or limb, but the developing child cannot survive without the mother. Without the heart, lungs or brain a person cannot survive...
huskerfraz 5 months ago
Until a baby is birthed, it is part of the woman’s body.
...because these organs sustain the rest of the body. Functionally, the mother is more accurately a part of the child’s body than the child is a part of the mother’s body.
huskerfraz 5 months ago
A fetus is not a human being until it becomes conscious or can survive outside the womb.
A newly birthed infant is no more able to fend for itself outside of the womb than when it was previously inside the womb; the child must still be nourished, cared for and protected for years to come. “Embryo” and “fetus” are simply medical terms denoting a stage in human development such as infant, toddler, adolescent, adult, etc...
huskerfraz 5 months ago
A fetus is not a human being until it becomes conscious or can survive outside the womb.
... A human can only reproduce another human, no where along a human’s biological or psychological development does it begin or cease to be a human. If consciousness is the only factor which validates life, then does someone cease to be alive when he or she falls asleep or is knocked unconscious?
huskerfraz 5 months ago
@huskerfraz Yes, that's actually what left wingers believe. That is why they kill people who appear irreversibly comatose. Remember Terri Schiavo? If a human being is not able to participate in the world of scumbag liberalism, then the scumbag liberals consider them fair game. They kill the unborn, they kill disabled children, and they kill the comatose.
Soothfish 3 months ago
@huskerfraz And if you ask me, taking money that people have paid to Social Security and other "Entitlements" and putting it into the General Fund for the purpose of funding war, which kills innocent born children and babies and pregnant women and to give the Rich a tax cut, while paving the way for these "entitlement" to be cut to make sure the Rich keep their tax cuts, while the low income people die from hunger, poverty, disease and war is not very Pro-Life.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic People being allowed to keep the money which they have earned is more important than the gov't coercing the gainfully employed to support the lifestyles of the unemployed who did not responsibly plan for their own wellbeing. I never said I liked Bush, by the way, he had a very liberal agenda: he expanded size of gov't and its reach on regulation, expanded entitlement programs, passed Every Child Left Behind act, TARP, ran up the debt ceiling $5 trillion, etc. Obama is Bush dejavu...
huskerfraz 5 months ago
@huskerfraz And by the way, I would have been fine if the Pro-Life group held up a sign like Victor was, because I do respect the right for someone to protest, but I just don't think Graphic Signs of Aborted Embryos and Fetuses or in your language unborn children, was the most respectful way to protest in front of a person's place of worship. I've seen very respectful Pro-Life signs that get the Pro-Life stance across much better.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic Being kind and honest is not synonymous with nice, and being nice is not always appropriate. Especially when people persist in commiting evil acts such as killing babies. I mean, you aren't really disputing that killing human beings is wrong are you?
huskerfraz 5 months ago
@huskerfraz I'm not saying you have to be kind and nice. But when it's a person's place of worship, the people holding up graphic signs should have been respectful. Next, I have a problem with this. "gov't coercing the gainfully employed to support the lifestyles of the unemployed who did not responsibly plan for their own wellbeing." Get this into your head, in the case of medicare and Social Security, PEOPLE have PAID CASH into these programs.
breemystic 5 months ago
@huskerfraz Clearly you have never lived below the poverty line. I have, I've worked minimum wage and I know people who work minimum wage even though they have a DEGREE. The economy is bad right now and minimum wage at fulltime 40 hours does not pay the bills much less for a retirement fund.
If the elderly shouldn't get medicare and SS then why am I paying into something that I'm never going to get. I don't have money to put into a retirement fund and I'm Gainfully employed.
breemystic 5 months ago
@huskerfraz That's why people like you will and always be Pro-Human Fetus Life. Do you support the killing of innocent children through war when we go to other countries and start war? Do you support police that can kill a suspect without giving them the right to a trial by jury. Do you support the death penalty considering people serving life terms have been found to be innocent sometimes nearly 2 decades later? That's killing. Yet I know Pro-Life people who support that kind of killing.
breemystic 5 months ago
@LifeReport Do you think that's right that just because we had a Democratic Presidential Nominee that people in my church should have had to walk past a protest and images of aborted fetuses, just because the majority of the church didn't want to vote George Bush for a 2nd term, who clearly didn't have the majority of the church's needs in mind? Anyway, thank you for a very balanced show and point of view. I've subscribed and you are first Pro-Life organization that I've taken seriously.
breemystic 9 months ago
You know you can't blame some people for lashing out on Pro-Birth like that, I say Pro-Birth, because those volunteers standing out there only care that the baby is born. VIctor doesn't care what happens after the baby is born.
Now, and please read before attacking me, I do think the way the woman handled herself was just as disrespectful and she definitely shouldn't have been violent.
But on the otherside, there are volunteers at other places that scream insults at people.
breemystic 9 months ago
This is an awesome video! I like how you were so calm and collected and laugh when she leaves. You can tell you had the armor of Christ on. So then what happened after this????? Did you report her?
bobbybrady8 10 months ago
I'm comfused, people standing out there not saying anything unless spoken to like the ones heard talking to the cameraman, and someone attacks verbally and physically, then prolife people are acused of violence by the driveby media. Who's the violent ones, huh? Why isn't this type of violence splashed acrossed the Networks. It reminds us of how the Tea Party people were acused of violence also, but all they did was gather and be encouraged. Oh,Tea Party people were attacked also. Yuppers, bias
bornagain777 11 months ago
I don't understand how its legal for you guys to be anywhere near Planned Parenthood. I don't like the way that person reacted, but how are you guys able to be anywhere near a place that performs abortion ? In Canada you're not allowed to be anywhere near the place if you have signs or plan to use language to get your point across in anyway.
cheegree 1 year ago
He sounded reasonable to me. I don't think they should be trying to get abortion abolished, but helping women in a respectful way to question their decision and maybe not go through with something that they might regret isn't a bad thing at all.
sinephase 1 year ago
thats it?
looks like fresno
FullSpectrumWarrior 1 year ago
A woman had a question. With no where else to turn, she goes to a church and a preist was there. She asked ''Father, why is there no cure for cancer." He said that he would pray to god for the answer. A week passes and the woman comes back. She says "What did God say Father?" and he said "There was a cure but, the person who had it was aborted."
tritic16 1 year ago
@tritic16 God probably would have had the same answer if a woman asked why another holocaust hasn't occurred. Sorry, but this is a lousy argument. Great people have been aborted, but horrible people have also been aborted.
ChristianMusician85 1 year ago
Good strike.
williamwilson666 1 year ago
That poor woman probably had an abortion in the past...
forgodandourlady 1 year ago
that was not assault maybe by lawyer terminology, she interfeared with the direction of your camera as you seem to want to with her life choices, do you stand near toilets as men relieve there tensions, for all the possible lives they may be wasting. Where do you draw the line? maybe promoting options would be a better way of promoting your beliefs than leering at people in a troubling time.
dont preach - teach.
hughesyd123 1 year ago
@hughesyd123
Would it be OK if somebody knocked down the camera of a gay rights group and shouted obsceneties? It's not that much different. Even if people disagree, let them do it in a civilized fashion! No matter what the beliefs are at stake, that woman wasn't in the right to do what she did.
forgodandourlady 1 year ago
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bangert911 1 year ago
Think adoptions, not abortions!.
Senseless women keep your legs closed!
annsolis90 1 year ago
That woman doesn't seem to comprehend the concept of the First Ammendment. So what happened? Was Victor successful in pressing charges?
MeatballsMarlowe 2 years ago
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XploitedbyAbortion 2 years ago 15
@XploitedbyAbortion Have you ever heard of Abby Johnson? She was the director of a Planned Parenthood in Texas who quit after seeing an ultrasound of an abortion, and after being told by her superior that she needs to push abortion more, for that was where the money was. So yes, money is a MASSIVE motivator. It's what makes PP the most money, and a lot of the services they provide is to set up for an abortion (contraceptives, especially the crappy ones they give out, can fail, and they know it).
falkenlaser 1 year ago
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@XploitedbyAbortion Hey bitch, wanted to tell you something. Don't blame things on yourself because you're retarded and feel remorseful for killing a human being. The baby, unless you did it after the 3rd-4th month was as alive as a rock. Don't listen to what 'life' fags are telling you and move on with your life. Unless you were damaged in some physical way and can't have another child. If you werent, go on and fuck like a bunny if you want a kid. You did nothing wrong, just gave yourself time.
Razgrits 1 year ago
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@XploitedbyAbortion, wow, your not biased at all...
Houshalter 1 year ago
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XploitedbyAbortion 2 years ago 8
U S Rescuer Terminates Trapped Haitian Babies With Jackhammer?
How could any U.S. rescuer do such a horrible thing?
To know the answer, please copy and paste "U S Rescuer Terminates Trapped Haitian Babies With Jackhammer?" on Google.
simon6071 2 years ago
Usually when people want to do abortions are: People who don't have the economic efficiency to raise a child, people who got pregnant without their consent(rape, dumped by their boyfriend, one night stands). If children come to life from them, they will sure be poor, mistreated, and generally will have poor life quality. You 'pro'-lifers should think a bit of the damage you're causing. Which is a lot. Let me list the problems you cause too.
Depression
Poor life quality
Hate
Suicides
Need more?
Razgrits 2 years ago
Hi Razgrits. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I'll respond in a reply to your last comment instead of replying to each individual comment, because that gets really confusing later.
I disagree that religious people are more likely to kill than atheists, because religious people believe that there are eternal consequences to their actions. Atheists don't, which is probably why you see much more bloodshed in the last century due to atheist beliefs than religious ones.
LifeReport 2 years ago
Men care what women do because we believe the entity killed in an abortion is a living human being. (More on that later.) So just like men should care if women suddenly started killing their toddlers all over the world, we care about abortion. However, keep in mind, argument don'ts have gender. People do. You must attack our argument, which you do in later posts, and not just our gender. After all, female pro-lifers make the same arguments male pro-lifers do.
LifeReport 2 years ago
Your argument about masturbation is a common one, but it makes the mistake of confusing parts with wholes. Somatic cells and sperm/ovum are parts of our bodies. But embryologists agree something changes during fertilization. The sperm and ovum die and a new individual, living organism is created, the human embryo. That simple fact is not disputed among scientists. Whether that embryo is valuable or not IS disputed, but no biologist things masturbation kills millions of people. Nor should you.
LifeReport 2 years ago
You're right, I don't remember being born. The problem is, your argument proves too much. If creating lasting memories is what makes a person valuable, than we should be able to kill our own children until they're around 2 years old. So obviously the ability to create memories is not what makes us valuable, so remembering our birth is irrelevant to the abortion debate. It DOES have a brain at birth, in fact much earlier than birth. You can do some research online and learn about that though.
LifeReport 2 years ago
If abortion doesn't kill a human being, than you shouldn't need to defend the reasons women have abortions. If abortion doesn't kill a human being, I won't care about abortion anymore, because it would be tantamount to having a mole removed. However if it DOES kill a human being, than no justification for abortion is adequate, just as no justification for killing a toddler is adequate.
Your accusation of us being "retards" are simply more ad-hominem attacks, so I won't bother responding to it.
LifeReport 2 years ago
See, you just have to have an excuse for everything. So, let me answer the same way. About atheism's fault on more deaths over the past centuries. Let me remind you of the dark ages of Christianity. The inquisition? Reminds you anything, yeah, we love that don't we... oh- and Hitler was a Christians, he hated Jews too- I'm sure Orthodox people must love him. I'm sure that covers the religious part of the discussion. Now, you're right, alone sperm is nothing, alone an ovary is nothing...
Razgrits 2 years ago
Together though, they are an embryo, which is the greek word for fetus so lets stick with that. The brain is created at the earliest stage, I can't help but agree, but the neurons are hardly working. In fact, at first they don't. And usually abortions happen in the very early stages of pregnancy, if not, it usually happens for more important reasons than 'personal' choice. Which means the baby will be dying yes, but if the woman knows she doesn't want a baby, and does before it's too late
Razgrits 2 years ago
and puts her own life at risk while 'murdering' the baby, then I'm sure you wouldn't mind, right? Yet, your question was, 'is there actually a right time to kill a baby? Can we be sure the baby isn't a human being yet?' No, but why do you have to be so grim about it? You are not the one carrying it, and you sure aren't the baby. Why do you care that much? What if that baby was born under the wrong circumstances? You never answered me, would you like to be a baby, which instead of being aborted>
Razgrits 2 years ago
was born in a world, where your father had dumped your mother, your mother died from suicide a bit after your birth because she couldn't raise you, and you are stuck with your uncle, a drunk abusive bastard with a sadistic-streak? You see why abortions are important? I mean, this is an extreme case, but you know, it's possible. It's one of the many possible outcomes. Why let it happen? Who are YOU to put someone through so much torture? That's what I want to know.
We aren't in heaven, wake up.
Razgrits 2 years ago
I'm against abortion because it kills an innocent, living human being. I don't think people are valuable based on their current capacity to use their brain. So yes, I do "mind" when young babies are aborted too.
LifeReport 2 years ago
I'm so grim about it because abortion is a grim thing. Look it up on youtube and see that evidence for yourself. I'm grim about it the same way I hope I would have been grim about slavery, even though it wouldn't have effected me personally. I would have been grim about the Holocaust even if I wasn't Jewish, BECAUSE the Holocaust is a grim subject, whether it effects you personally or not.
LifeReport 2 years ago
If the potential for living a tough life is enough to legitimize abortion, or even make it "important" in your words, why not extend that logic to it's natural conclusion? We should immediately kill all toddlers, even teenagers living in homes with abusive parents. After all, who are YOU to put someone through so much torture by keeping them alive?
LifeReport 2 years ago
If your response is that it's different to kill the toddler or teenager, then the question is, what is different about the unborn that we should be able to kill them but not toddlers for the same reason?
LifeReport 2 years ago
The point is, in one case you have a dead mother and an abused child and in the other none abused and one """death""" which isn't even death because, the importance of memories is that you care know what pain feels like and remember it, hold it inside you and having torture you, understanding your surroundings and what you go through. Is it THAT hard to understand? I really don't get your mindset. If you are a true christian then you should consider abortion,
Razgrits 2 years ago
since it's an innocent soul it will go straight to heaven. You should consider that if it makes you feel better. I personally just think of them as THINGS that don't hold memories nor have the capacity to understand pain so it doesn't matter to them, nor us, if they are dead or alive. They WILL become alive the moment they see the world, as long as they are in there, they are as much of living being as the stomach or the bladder or a tooth. And since they are a part of that woman's body
Razgrits 2 years ago
She has every right to 'give it up'. I can't see why would you put someone through a guilt trip about it, just so you can have them get tortured for the rest of their life because they slept with the wrong person, they got raped, they were forced by family, they were drunk, they made the wrong decision, or a condom broke which then- it's the man's fault.
Just tell me this so we can end it, you understand that what you are doing is evil? If your answer is yes, I'll simply leave and let you be.
Razgrits 2 years ago
See, this is frustrating, because you won't even ackowledge that somebody has "died" if they're killed while they aren't making memories.
Are you a Christian? If not, I see no need to respond to your "Christian" argument for abortion, since I don't think you believe that argument. I think it's a ploy to make me stop caring and go away. If you ARE a Christian and really believe that, than I'd be glad to have a theological dialogue on the subject.
LifeReport 2 years ago
Unborn babies ARE in the world, they're just outside the woman's body yet. I don't think people's value is dependent upon their location. I flew to Trinidad a few months ago for a speaking tour. If THAT trip didn't change who I am, than a 6-inch trip down a birth canal certainly doesn't either.
LifeReport 2 years ago
It's certainly convenient for you to choose to think of unborn babies as "THINGS." You wouldn't be the first to dehumanize a group of human beings that are unwanted. However, people are people no matter what you personally choose to think of them as. I could think of homeless people as "THINGS" or "TARGETS," but that wouldn't make them any less human.
LifeReport 2 years ago
You're confusing parts and wholes when you confuse babies with bladders and teeth. Those organs are a PART of a whole body, whereas the unborn are a WHOLE self-integrating entity, who has his or her own parts working for the good of his or her whole body. This is rather elementary biology we're talking about here, but it's an important distinction.
LifeReport 2 years ago
Obviously I don't think what I'm doing is evil. I think very few people actually think what they do is evil. But that doesn't mean there isn't a right of wrong answer. We can both think we're right, but the absence of consensus does not equal the absence of truth. (For example, most people used to think the Earth was flat, even though it never was.)
LifeReport 2 years ago
Really, this is pointless, you're pathetic, dangerous and retarded. There is absolutely no way you think this is logical. but for having a 'theological' answer to give me as well, I see you already thought about the subject on christian levels too, which simply means it's full of crap. So the point is people stop believing in imaginary friends like god and start thinking with logic, maybe this will solve the abortion deal along with the christianity deal.
You are all illogical pointless idiots.
Razgrits 2 years ago
I'm sorry you feel that way. I've provided you sophisticated arguments on a scientific and philosophical level. You've mainly responded with attacking my character, yet you charge that I'm the one being illogical. You won't even attempt to refute my latest arguments. So I wish you well, and sorry we couldn't move the dialogue further.
LifeReport 2 years ago
There is no point to answer you if you just won't actually understand, and type words randomly out that you heard being used by 'smart' people... sophisticated arguments? Shhs- my toaster is more sophisticated than that, and as far as scientific and philosophical goes I've gone through a whole different level with that my friend, you can't possibly believe anything you said is either of these three things, and no, that wasn't an attack, it was a simple claim as to what you are. Naturally.
Razgrits 2 years ago
@Razgrits Wow that's intense. I sure you don't claim to be "tolerant" like a lot of liberals do.
falkenlaser 1 year ago
@falkenlaser Liberals? Tolerant? Dude, I am me, I don't categorize myself in a group of people that share a political side or belief or generally anything. I am myself, as everyone should be. I have my ideas which are mostly fucked up, fucked up but LOGICAL. People like the uploader here are just dangerous because I had personal experience with a friend who wanted an abortion and one of these assholes changed her mind... now she's uneducated and a mother living at her mother's... good life, huh?
Razgrits 1 year ago
@Razgrits If your friend really wanted an abortion, she could have chose to ignore that sidewalk counselor, and gotten the abortion. But, since she did talk to him, and chose to keep her baby, then it sounds like she wasn't fully sure she wanted one.
If you claim to be pro-CHOICE, you should support her decision for keeping the baby. But, it sounds like you would rather her had the abortion, which would make you pro-abortion instead of pro-choice.
falkenlaser 1 year ago
@Razgrits Also, look what XploitedbyAbortion said. She's had an abortion, and she wishes there were some sidewalk protesters outside the abortion clinic she went to, for she regrets her abortion now, just like many women do. Just because a women gets an abortion doesn't mean she's going to lead a "good life".
It's too bad the people who work at these clinics don't live up to the idea of "choice" they promote. If they did, they would provide the same info these pro-life advocates give out.
falkenlaser 1 year ago
@falkenlaser XploitedbyAbortion has a retarded name to begin with and that only, for me, weights down her words for this specific matter. Now, for my friend which you don't know but still try to act like you do: Pro-lifers as such low scums that not only use illogical ways like acting as if it's biology, but if that fails they will turn the subject straight to 'god' and say, god doesn't want you to kill babies. I support her choice of keeping the child, but I don't support the life she leads>>
Razgrits 1 year ago
@Razgrits Wow. You said your ideas are fucked up, and I agree, but I think this one is illogical. Just because someone has a name you think is stupid, even if they make a valid point (that does blast your point away), you ignore them. I think it's that you just don't want to look at the other side. You want to live in your own little world, in which the only truth is what you want to be the truth.
falkenlaser 1 year ago
@falkenlaser Dodging my questions? Fine, in anycase, you are the ones living in your own little world, I can't really tell you how sarcastic what you said is, and at the same time makes you such a hypocrite. You're telling me I live in my own little world while you are the one who's supporting some godly fagots that ruin other people's lives and overpopulate this place. A woman can give birth to other babies, 'letting go' of a single one won't make a difference if she wants a child in the future
Razgrits 1 year ago
@Razgritz Alright, I'm going to make this clear. If you don't understand it, you're hopeless:
SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO THOSE PRO-LIFERS! IF SHE REALLY WANTED AN ABORTION, SHE COULD HAVE HAD ONE! THE PRO-LIFERS WEREN'T FORCING HER!
And, you dodged what I said. XPLOITEDBYABORION HAD AN ABORTION, AND REGRETS IT! SHE WISHES THEIR WAS PRO-LIFERS TO HELP HER BEFORE SHE GOT ONE! WHAT, WOULD YOU RATHER WOMEN WHO ARE UNSURE ABOUT GETTING ONE GET ONE, AND REGRET IT LATER?
falkenlaser 1 year ago
@falkenlaser A child that she can support, not a child that will be raised in humility and have an uneducated stripper for a mother.Just because two fagots out in the street made her feel remorseful for a life changing decision which usually is for the better of both mother and child.For the woman to be considering an abortion there is a reason,so people should just shut the fuck up and leave her alone to pick what she wants. Not cause depression to her for what should have been an easy decision
Razgrits 1 year ago
@Razgrits You are living in your own little world because you're completely ignoring what else could happen. XploitedbyAbortion is an example of this. But, you ignores what she says, all because you don't like her name. What I think you don't like is that she proves your point wrong, and you don't want to face that fact! Yes, it IS unfortunate that your friend is unhappy, but who's to say her life is ALWAYS going to be like that?
falkenlaser 1 year ago
@Razgrits Also, you asked me one question, and that is if your friend killed herself. I think that would be terrible. But, who's to say she wouldn't if she got an abortion? Say she got a job at an abortion clinic, and she watched an abortion on an ultrasound screen. After seeing it, she became super depressed, and ended up killing herself because she realised she had before killed a baby.
falkenlaser 1 year ago
@Razgrits Don't believe that this could happen? Look up Abby Johnson. She quit her director position at a Planned Parenthood after seeing an ultrasound of an abortion, for she saw it was indeed a human, and alive. When it was touched with the cannula, it woke up, and began trying to swim away. When it was finally caught, it still was struggling to get away. But then, its body parts were pulled apart. Who's to say a clinic worker who had an abortion saw this, and entered into clinical depression?
falkenlaser 1 year ago
@falkenlaser Okay, now you're just forcing me to call you a retard. Well, Xploited can always get another child, the last thing she needs is retard like you telling her she killed a living human being. And just to add on that, that retardness, about babies moving while being aborted is totally fake. I don't know which pro-lifer scumbag got that out in the open and you uneducated Christians believe like your fucking god. Make your studies, if they baby is big enough to move you CAN'T abort it.
Razgrits 1 year ago
@Razgrits I sent my reply in a message. BTW, I met Abby Johnson.
She's your fucking facts.
falkenlaser 1 year ago
@falkenlaser It is just physically impossible to remove it without injuring and threatening the mother's life. And that's after the forth month. When the baby has evolved enough to grow it's fucking head. Before that, the brain is semi function. There are occasional electrical discharges to start up the body's main motor skills for later use after the birth. And your reasoning is one of a special needs child... 'what ifs' don't work here, put some fucking facts down.
Razgrits 1 year ago
@falkenlaser If I go on about 'Who's to say your mom doesn't have balls and your dad is gay?' I can start pointing at random situations too. If you look at things logical. My friend, because I know her, if she had an abortion, she'd be more successful with her life, and get another child when she's MORE prepared for it. And for the last time, baby's don't struggle against abortionists. Check your sources, not fake vids and shit people pass at you. Find a legit site with encyclopedic knowledge.
Razgrits 1 year ago
@Razgrits And oh yeah, your rage on how bad us pro-lifers are isn't going to stop our cause. Even if abortion is legal forever, there's still going to be girls like XploitedbyAbortion who want us or later wish we were there.
falkenlaser 1 year ago
@falkenlaser Main difference? When you get an abortion, you can have a baby later, when you don't, your life, and your baby's life are ruined. Forever. Whatever cause or beliefs you may have it won't change facts, Abby isn't a fucking fact, it's a fucking retard.
Razgrits 1 year ago
@Razgrits Hey everyone, in a personal message he sent me, Razgrits promised to kill pro-lifers someday. Here's some further proof pro-"choice" people support violence.
Thanks Razgrits. You've helped us prove out point.
falkenlaser 1 year ago
@falkenlaser Lol. fag.
Yeah, actually I have planned to take out more than 50 members of the top of pro-life movement, listed all to be killed at the same day by 20 different individuals. And none will find out how it happened or who's at fault. Of course you can blame pro-choice people if you want. After all, we are the infidel, illogical assholes, who are completely retarded because they don't believe there is a man in the sky that will burn people in fire pits because they get abortions.
Razgrits 1 year ago
@Razgrits You're officially blocked from my channel, for threatening the lives of innocent civilians. I'm reporting you to YouTube.
LifeReport 1 year ago
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gunnarlarson23 1 year ago
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Razgrits 1 year ago
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@falkenlaser The point of the matter is, you people have the right to express your own 'beliefs' to people WHO COME and ask you. Not pick people that are about to take one and put them in a guilt trip in hopes they'll share your beliefs and move towards SALVATION! Shit, who the FUCK do you think you are? Just saying that sickened me. Who do you think you are to advise someone for something so personal?! And on top of everything, think you're doing something good!
You, are, fucking, DANGEROUS.
Razgrits 1 year ago
@falkenlaser If it wasn't for that baby, right now, this girl wouldn't be a fat ass, yes, I'm anti fat, don't like that too I guess? I just dislike to see people eating more than what they need. Now, she has a baby which she must feed and take care off and lose time of her studies and work at a humiliating job to keep both herself and the baby fed while living under her mother's roof, you're retarded. Would her killing herself make you understand? Doubt it, you'd blame it somewhere else.
Razgrits 1 year ago
[>]3. Yeah, you people are retards. You cause more damage, in your attempts to save a 'human' being which I again repeat, it's not a human at least until it's born... personally I don't consider it a human up until it's at least 1 - 2 years old so it's brain is functional and it grows capable of holding memories. Well, you ruin the lives of REAL human beings by making them feel guilty or by making them have a child. This child will probably not have a fair life....
Razgrits 2 years ago
[>]If you don't already know it, every time you masturbate you kill millions of potential children. Every time you have sex, again you kill millions of potential human beings. So, why don't women have the right to kill of a potential human being just like we men do. Besides, I doubt you remember coming out of your mom's cunt, at least I don't, so I doubt the 'child' cares if it dies, or the fact that it doesn't see the difference. It's just a pile of cells with no brain.[Cont]
Razgrits 2 years ago
You know what I see here? The people who are commenting at least... And please, tell me if I am wrong.
1.Christians
2.Men
3.People who's iq is a lot less than average. i.e. retards.
Let me explain now.
1.Yes, those who believe in god just because it's a popular belief without questioning and wondering and generally don't have a mind of their own, are just as likely to kill for their religion like they did in the dark ages of Christianity.
2.Why the fuck do men care what women do?[continue]
Razgrits 2 years ago
I consider myself prochoice, but this kind of behavior is completely uncalled for and quite outrageous. Everyone has the right to peacefully express their opinion...that's what democracy and this country is all about.
presbytis 2 years ago 2
I 100% agree with you, and thanks for commenting. Abortion is a tough issue, but good people on both sides of this debate can come together and have a rational dialogue about it, instead of screaming at each other, or worse, assaulting one another.
LifeReport 2 years ago
My only question is was this woman ever brought up and convicted of any assault charges.I ask because I truly hope she was.I dont care how strongly you feel about and issue you dont have the right to attack someone with an opposing view.
jays2474 2 years ago
She is being charged, and we were able to get her license number. She hasn't been convicted yet based on how long these processes take, but I'm sure she'll end up being fined.
LifeReport 2 years ago
i would like to know; what happened to the two girls Victor was talking to? Did they follow through with the abortion or did they change their minds?
hellofairweather 2 years ago
Neither of them were abortion-minded. They were there for birth control or prenatal testing. They were surprised by the assault, but stuck around for a while after to finish their conversation with Victor.
LifeReport 2 years ago
Neither of them were abortion-minded. They were there for birth control or prenatal testing. They were surpsied by the assault, but stuck around for a while after to finish their conversation with Victor.
LifeReport 2 years ago
God Bless you folks for your work and courage, it is not you she struck but Jesus.
FightingRight 2 years ago
Free speech, no matter what your view. It seems like you were all being respectful. Hope you got her license plate number.
ksteiger 2 years ago
BTW, great video. And remember always have a camera and several people with you.
Witnesses and video evidence is needed because the cops are mostly pro choice goons, at tleast in my area.
ThomasJS1 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
btw im flagging this vid for hateful content.
angrywritergrrl 2 years ago
That surprises me, as the hateful content came from the pro-choice gal, and so I assume you do this hoping youtube will take down the video, and that's just censorship. I'm anti-censorship, of both pro-life and pro-choice videos.
LifeReport 2 years ago
yes but you 'prolife' people promote murder of people who dare to think differently, as they worship at their church.
i dont call that pro life. i call that pro murder.
angrywritergrrl 2 years ago
And you pro aobrts promote phedopiles. Like Richard Ragsdale a Chicago
abortionist who made "kiddie porn" featuring his own 3-year-old daughter.
So angrywriter, guess you're a child molester for supporting trash like him. You're sick.
ThomasJS1 2 years ago
ThomasJS1, don't talk in generalities. Not ALL of them would do that. Just like not ALL pro-lifers are murderers. There are wackos on both sides. I 100% condemn the psycho that murdered Dr. Tiller.
LifeReport 2 years ago
There is something called tack and lack of it. Pro-lifers picket a planned parenthood location is what I call lack of tack. 1. It's none of you business. 2. She is free to take information or not . 3. Who are you to judge.
shojingod 2 years ago
Sorry, I'm kind of anal about spelling. The word you were using is spelled "tact." A tack is an object you use to suspend pictures or calendars on your wall. :) Secondly, it's not a lack of tact to picket peacefully in front of abortion clinics. We feel very strongly that murdering unborn children is wrong. Where else can we/they make a difference but in front of a building that exploits that very inhumanity?
ChristianMusician85 2 years ago
Thirdly (actually, I think this is my second point, but anyway...) She is free to take information or not. No one at these vigils forces the information on anyone. Plus, no one at these vigils judges anyone. They're not there to judge, only to try and get people to think twice about an issue that they've probably been misinformed about.
ChristianMusician85 2 years ago
This is a prime example of the hypocricy of the abortion industry & their supporters. They consider any attempt by a Pro-lifer to tell a woman there is an alternative to abortion verbal abuse. But when they really verbally & physically abuse a Pro-lifer it is OK.
al007italia 2 years ago 2
I see a woman a in post abortion trauma here. Let's pray for her. Okay. This is a bit like "road rage" ... frustration, crowdedness, uncertainty ... lack of peace ... she pursued "abortion rage" right up to direct attack. Pray for her. People who do not realy care or understand, do not experience rage. Pray for her. Please
memlouise 2 years ago 2
I like how the girls who were actually in the Planned Parenthood clinic say, "Does that happen to you all the time?" Apparently they weren't even upset by the peaceful protesters that were standing there.
blogboy1 2 years ago
You can usually judge a person by the language they use in public
craigeddy 2 years ago 3
what a sad little girl she is
and she has NO CLUE about a women "best interest"...
women used to be revered b/c they were the one who had bore life...
now you are nothing more than a concubine
and a champion when you destroy life...
what a sad statement for women
i hope she never has children...
hasbeendez 2 years ago 2
She obviously feels that a vacuum and some metal objects propped up inside a women is what they all have been wanting their whole lives. That is what rights are all about right? There is a reason they do not let you hold your child if it survives the salt burn attempt to kill it...natural instinct tends to trump the ideologies of the pro -kill-the -baby crowd. I guess whats weird is to want to love your child and hold it when you see and hear it.
G0dspelronin 2 years ago
you people are crazy.
haloover 2 years ago
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You Pro Lifers should just be glad that she didn't take a page out of your playbook,and SHOOT YOU!!!
iguire 2 years ago
Yeah, all pro-lifers must be like that, since it's happened what- 3 times in 20 years? How many pro-lifers are there? I thought you on the Left tell people all the time not to stereotype!
mlbalan74 2 years ago
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Blah blah blah.......go whine to your invisable sky god you loon.
iguire 2 years ago
What does a "sky god" have to do with this? These people are against killing human beings and you're obviously in favor of it. Stick to your convictions if this is really what you believe, rather than trying to bring religion into this.
BoyGenteel 2 years ago
As a pro-life atheist, I'm confused.
Nulono 2 years ago
I wonder how this woman is feeling now. What enraged her so much to act out like this?
It would be nice to interview her. What questions would you ask her, I mean besides why. On a serious note though, not being mean or degrading.
I would like to know what her experience with abortion is.
Strawbanana2001 2 years ago 2