It's Gibson's own fault, they are way too overpriced by about 500-700 dollars on the Les Paul. You could by a USA made Strat and still have enough left over for a couple of pedals or a new cab for what you pay out on a LP. And yes I own a Les-Paul it is awesome but it costs too much.
I wonder why our so called Big Brother isn't jumping in on this crap. Where are they? these guitars are stamped made in the usa. They are breaking the law and are in serious need of correction. And we wonder why our economy is struggling. Last thought= Imagine how much of our country they have bought with fake money?
@holdemstacy You can't sue China. They are a Communist country and they don't play by the same rules we do. That's why China is the counterfeit capital of the world and they have been for a LONG time.
@OddTimeMan Well, actually you can. It's called international intellectual porperty rights. One can obtain and have sole rights to their legal property via an international patent. Trust me, Gibson has one. The prob. lies with China hacking in our computer systems and stealing our technology. We do have an economic impact on them. We should stop trading with them and see how their economy responds. I know my house has many Chinese items. I wonder if there houses have us stuff.
@holdemstacy We don't really trade with China, there's an enormous trade deficit. Our companies outsource our work to them on purpose...'cause the labor is WAY cheaper. As for the counterfeits, the Chinese government needs to put a stop to it...but so far they haven't done much. All Gibson can do is keep asking them to stop.
@OddTimeMan My point exactally. Your wrong. We do trade with China. They are breaking international trade laws by forgeing copies of this guitar. They are using the brand name of Gibson on their guitars and selling them as Gibson guitars. It is even stamped as made in the USA on the back of the head stock. That is a CRIME! Period! No matter how you want to argue about it. Our so called leaders should boy cot the entire country.
@holdemstacy Yes, I know counterfeits are illegal, I never said they weren't! Gibson has been trying to do something about it for YEARS. Unfortunately, there isn't much they can do. It's the Chinese GOVERNMENT that needs to put a stop to it. Counterfeit watches, jewelry, designer clothes, shoes, handbags, sunglasses, CD's, DVD's, etc. have been around for DECADES. You might even have some yourself.
Judge Alex on 2.29.12, Les Paul small claims court of a craigslist seller of a faux Gibson sued (claimed he did not know it was fake), both parties lost, AS the court kept the guitar to be destroyed as counterfeit contraband. That's the real danger, when a faux LP is involved in any type of dispute or action, you can loose the guitar, loose your money, & reputation. Just buy Epiphone Les Paul to be authentic & legal. See the youtube link for this case involving the faux china LP: be/c4Lu4c32scg
Picked up one 2nd hand yesterday, the flaws in mine is that the headstock is over angled, the inlays are SLIGHTLY crooked, the tone knobs (when looking down) are facing every which direction, the pick ups dip, one side of the flamed top is brighter than the other side, the input (plastic covering) is slightly crooked, and the action is pretty darn high, any lower and it buzzes, OH and the pick up frame isnt large enough to cover the dips, so theres tiny holes surrounding the pick ups!
@wilfan12 But hey.. Shes a looker, for a fraction of the price, plays better regardless than an epiphone, looks better too at a glance! 250? With hardcase and strings? Yeah.. Not too bad!
i can tell in 2 seconds that supreme/suprome or whatever is a fake... how? the shape is not true, its a bit off, but fairly obvious, its kinda reminds me of the nighthawk shape a bit sharper cut like that a true paul is a bit more rounded..
you know how it won't be same as in the picture? all the vendors say 'no worry, i send same guitar in picture, garantee it same' (with a chinese accent)...sh*tty wok has best quality on web!
anyway, buying a gibson style chinese counterfiet...that's risky because it may arrive broken, and it certainly will not be the same quality of the guitar in the picture. if you have money you can risk loosing without getting bummed, do it. otherwise, stick to what you can get on g.c. online used. they have good deals. and if you're not satisfied they take returns no questions asked. that's my sermon.
if the chinese 'wanted to' they coul;d make a gibson knock off that would pass the best expert inspection. usually they cut corners on the wood and quality of the pickups and electronics. i ordered a fake tele form china but what i got wasn't what was pictured. it's ok though, they did a terrific job on the neck. the body is basswood with a thin alder veneer front and back with a 3 tone pop-sunburst finish. it was only $200 including shipping. it has a fake serial number on it.
To be honest, anybody who can't even SEE the differences between them have issues. It's so damn obvious. Despite all the copies, the similar shaped bodies, the single-cut designs, nothing feels like an actual Les Paul.
@JEUXolim I think it's ignorant to say "nothing feels like an actual Les Paul." Solid-body electric guitars are just hardwoods & simple electronics, it isn't rocket science. There are many guitars in this world made the same way as Gibson. Try a Japanese-made Tokai, Burny, Greco, Edwards, or Orville, just to name a few. And they cost way less than Gibson!
@OddTimeMan Gibson is prestige, that's why the high cost. When you say made like gibson, are they hand made, hand selected woods/electronics?? Ebony fretboards? just curious, not trying to be a smart ass. It's just that it all does make a difference. The size of the difference might be real small, but that extra difference in quality is what people pay for. Plus bragging rights with friends. xD
@terran236 Hand-made? Gibsons are mass-assembled like any other guitar. They might still hand-carve the necks, but the bodies are CNC machined. The African mahogany is the same that's used on a lot of brands. Ebony fretboards are also used on many guitars. The tuners & other hardware comes from Asia. Pots & caps come from Asia. With Gibson you're mostly paying for the name...and expensive American labor.
The expensive American labor is something I'm willing to pay more for. You know almost every guitar is manufactured with care. Quality check is better as well. Service afterwards will be better as well. Sure Gibson is not perfect, but they do a really good job. These copies are okay, but in no way better than an Epiphone.
@Behindspace90 The PERCEPTION that American-made is the best still exists, but the reality is not the same as the perception. Gibson guitars USED to be really good, back before the '70's, but they aren't nearly as good now as they used to be. Gibsons are made with CNC machines, common woods, and Asian parts. You're mostly paying for the name.
@terran236 gibson does attend to fine quality and workmanship. all of their guitars pass the test for professional use. for all other stuff, they use the epiphone moniker.
@terran236 I spoke with a world famous violin player. Byron Berline. He said he has plaid 2 stratovariouses in his life. He also said that they were different and awesome. He also said there were other violins he had that minus the value diff. he wouldn't trade for any of them. I totally understand. I recentlly purchased my 2nd tradition guitar. They make a high end guitar line "pro series" that is awesome. Look on ebay and buy one. You won't regret it.
@holdemstacy There definitely is a difference in the higher end stuff. I recently bought a USA Kelly ke2 made of poplar and compared it with the Japanese dk2 made of alder. Although similar sounding, the kelly has a tightness about it. So I say, buy USA or legit import if possible. The Chinese fakers should make their own company name, I'm sure they would be taken more seriously as luthiers.
yo man let me ask you first off where you acquire one of these fakes so i dont get jipped. I just bought a 1950s tribute studio from a guitar store, but this made me question the authenticity of just about every gibson i see now.
Man I really like your vid clips. I got a Slash A. F. D. and a Supreme just like yours and I am happy as a pig in a mud puddle and did not have to go into large debt to buy them. Yeah they are not the real McCoy but I am the only one that needs to be impressed and I am with the 2 I got so far. I WILL buy more!! Keep on jammin dude!!!!
After wachting your videos i would say you are very happy with these chinese guitars!. These people are doing good products and the best proof is changing the pickups of a real Gibson les Paul standart by the pickups of the fake chinese. Hear the tone and tell me if you find any great difference? Gibson L. Paul and chinese replicas are the same stuff and that is the true reality on these days! Why a japanese Lexus Car or Corolla is better than an american? Nice videos! I will buy a China LP!
You're awesome!! Thanks for the informative video...I'll put it to good use,being a purest,always looking for fine instruments...get tougher everyday,nothing new,counterfeiting...I bet Gibson is feeling the grind of fed-up people paying alot for their no shortage Les Pauls.Thank you!!
Nice video: Q: Are counterfeit guitars NOW legal to import, own and resale in the USA even if you fully disclose they are fake? And if the answer is still "NO, it's not legal in USA" , would most USA buyers in the $300-$400 price range be better off with a Epiphone Les Paul of similar quality with actual Gibson designed pickups, lifetime warranty, and most cases real mahogany on EPI LP's vs basswood as in this example? Why spend $ on China fake LP when U can buy a China Epiphone LP for same $?☺
I have been looking up and down that Web Site and cant find a match to your axe...can you steer me to which seller you bought it from...want to get it right and get a good one on the first go around if possible.... thanks like that bag pipe sounding riff cool!
I have two from china there great and it doesnt matter if the pickup are not real because with special effects pedals you sound awesome even be like jimi hendrix now a days, I would say the most important thing to do is buy a les paul from a seller that has hi own company then you can get a great copy and also tell them what you want on the guitar. any way what effects and amp are you using in this video ? thanks
@MadSpectro7 The sad thing is that Chinese fakes sounds better than some actual Strats. Not dissing Strats, I love em, but some of these fakes are getting really good, just like the man said.
i just got my gibson supreme and im worried its a fake can some one give me a list of things to look for? i know the wood gapping, the brass in the head stock, and gold frets anything else?
@nacho5611 that's not me, but boy can this guy play guitar, not only that he's pretty good at helping you understand what to look out for when buying guitars
possibly one of the most under rated channels on the tube
Do you work for gibson? change the damn hardwear and pickups.you now have a gibson les paul. People are always louoking to cut down these chineese pauls only because they cost a quater of what gibson charges Play the two together, you cant tell the difference i own both!!
@djalsurdi67 No, I don't work for Gibson. Changing the pickups would definitely improve the sound, but even if I changed all the hardware it wouldn't be as nice as a real Supreme. Even China can't get production costs that low without skimping on the hardware, electronics and wood. These are fun to fool around with but that's about it.
@PixxyLixxx .i understand that you think you are hilarious,but if you would stop the super shredding with useless babbel and get to the point.5 to 6 mins before you get to the subject.sorry and thanx.just honest.you are good and the subjects are awesome.IDN,maybe its just me..
@djalsurdi67 you, my friend are a idiot !! you should be ashamed bro ! the chineese les paul cant even dream to match the quality, value, feel and sound of a real Gibson Les Paul Standard, Supreme or Custom. your comment made me sick. Chineese people cant make Les Pauls, every guitar from china is not a good quality guitars..
If you cant afford a Gibson Les Paul, dont buy a fake one, thats a shame.. simply save up money for the real thing.
@bluesmaster94 "every guitar from china is not a good quality guitars" Seriously? You've played every single guitar ever to come out of China? Wow. And before you call someone an idiot, you should first learn how to spell and form proper sentences!
@OddTimeMan ok, my comment was stupid.. and my grammer isnt the best because I'm from Norway. But the fake ones isn't as good as a real Gibson, thats all I ment ;)
@bluesmaster94 Your crazy.I'm a collector of guitar and basses. I own 3 USA les pauls 2 standards 1 custom and 4 chinees like i said i changed the heardwear on the as well as the pickups on the chineese pauls, I play threw a Mesa boogie head and marshall cab. They sound too damn close for me to buy another USA Paul. Every guitar player i play them for hear very little difference if any. If i'm gonna play out i'll take the chineese so i don't have heart falure if i get a nick the USA one.
How are the frets on these copies, Are they as good or close to the real gibson frets or are the to high or low any difference in the two in your opinion?
@djalsurdi67 I haven't had any issues with the frets to report. I accidentally whacked one of my other guitars on a piece of sharp metal that required the first few frets to be replaced. There is no visible or tonal difference between the three replacement frets and the original frets. However, the real Supremes have gold frets and I've never seen gold frets on a fake. That's a good indicator of whether it's real or fake.
I want to say: Ok These guitars are cheap but not so cheap (3-400$ + shipping, taxes, custom, and if you're very unlucky custom police could charge you for illegal import of fakes, and other amenities...) then it play very bad, the finiture are approx.the tail piece is very different from original, the truss rod is quite inusable, the pick ups are shit, if you want to resell it nobody want it or you have to low dramatically the price: same price you get Or. Gibson Studio and a different world.
@fabiolone70 Truss rod works fine on mine, but there are lemons out there. The quality out there varies considerably, but I've been happy with mine. No complaints here.
@PixxyLixxx Ok but think...I would be a little sad and upset if people in the world sell fake Ferrari for 5000$ or sell junk food or tangled wine with our italian brands...GET RICH with this...anyway this is fine for playin' lone at home at low volume, in a live high volume session with drum, bass, and maybe another good guitar, I'm sure these guitars don't come out, sound mudded, go offtune in a while like a 100$ guitar as they are...
Since 2008 Epiphone has been and will continue to make better guitars than Gibson. Its a known fact that most models of the Epiphone Lp's and Sg's are very underpriced for the professional quality they deliver. This will change count on that.
The only guitar companies that make the real Gibson Les Pauls and Sg's are Gibson and Epiphone period end of story. Now why would you even concider of paying $300 for total piece of fake shit like theses. There not Gibsons and there not Epiphones.
oh and don't forget to mention the tuning machines suck, unless they have improved on that, i have seen the custom, not the supreme..i was hearing rumor of a MAHOGANY chibson as well..but i dunno, yours sounds pretty good too..what are you spittin through?
@scottfree6 The machines do suck, but they're still working so I'll keep them until one breaks on me. It is mahogany, but not the nicer African mahogany, the cheaper Asian mahogany. I'm running this one through Guitar Rig 3 (I think....it may be GR4).
@PixxyLixxx you said it's asian basswood body in the vid, i don't mean the ebony fb, i got that...the body is bass wood and so doesn't have the "honk" of a gibson, but i have seen demos side by side and i gotta say one guy had a tradetang like yours and it sounded pretty much identical to the genuine gibson he was playing back to back same licks so it makes ya wonder lol! nice tone your getting there though, it's really impressive. BTW i love that ibanez artist you have, always loved that guitar
@scottfree6 It's not all basswood. It's appears to be pancake slabs of basswood and Asian mahogany. We had to open another compartment to get a better view of the wood. When I made this video I had only looked at the inside for a few minutes when changing the strings. Since then I've looked more closely and I'm of the opinion that it's a mix of basswood (or maple...there's some disagreement among friends) and Asian mahogany. Unfortunately, if anything is consistent it's the inconsistencies.
@disturbtheworlds Not that I expect you to read all the comments, but yeah, this has been discussed ad nauseam, starting about 900 comments ago. I should probably make an annotation to the video because it comes back up every few weeks.
HAH!! Suprome I wonder if that was the same site I seen a Peavey EVH "wolfGaug" they were advertizing in a local buy/sell site and they shipped from china. this one was a easily spotted fake, 4 knobs instead of 2, black humbuckers instead of zebra, pickup rings instead of the pickups being bolted to the bottom of the pickup pocket
so they can really put the gibson name on it and there is no legal issues? i guess it would be hard to crack down on multiple chinese luthier shacks but im curious to how they get away with it
@rectalbomb They are illegal but the Chinese government doesn't care. China is the counterfeit capital of the world and they have been for a LONG time. They actually take pride in that. Gibson can't do much about it. Gibson actually created this monster in the first place by moving Epiphone production to China in 2003.
@ggiul1256 I play the shit out of my les paul copy and stays in tune and holds notes forever with just a litlle overdrive.
A good guitar is a good guitar. It shouldn't matter where it was made or what name is on the headstock. I actually like my $600 Korean-made Dean Cadillac BETTER than my Gibson LP. It feels/plays/sounds/looks like it cost thousands.
Sad to say but WHY buy a fake when its of poorer quality? is'nt the purpose of buying more expensive Gibson or Fender etc..IS THE QUALITY ? I myself own a few fender "lawsuit basses" BUT they are cheaper than the original and are equal or EVEN BETTER than the guitars they are copying. So I guess its all for the sake of being cool? or superficial ? who care WHAT kind it is,any real guitarist can tell a 300.00$ cheater from a 2000.00$ US made Les Paul. Save up,buy a real one!
@cottonfever1221 Not dissing the video or the guitar,just an opinion,I know how tuff it is to buy a high end guitar these days,I had to buy both my basses used which is fine for being a guitar tech I can trick them out a bit and get more out of it than normal,Everything is so OVERPRICED it forces people to buy copies,and a word to the wise Japan makes the better copies,some even better than the originals,check'em out.
I wouldn't mind buying one of these fakes for, what, $400? I can't even justify paying for a real Gibson when I can slap great pickups in an Epi Les Paul Custom and have the same thing.
@MasterxMorgan USA Les Pauls are a rip off. No guitar on this planet is worth 2,500-5,000 dollars. No guitar is worth 1,000, honestly. When you buy a Gibson, you are paying for a name. Its like paying 230 for a bottle of Walker blue when there are other scotch-whiskies that are just as good at half the price. The Epi Les Paul custom can stand against any Gibson on any day.
@MasterxMorgan The problem is, people are paying more (a LOT more) and they're ASSUMING they're getting more, when in reality they're actually getting about the same...or maybe just slightly more. I ask people all the time; What is this "more" you're getting? They usually don't know. And sometimes they assume things that just aren't true.
great info!! I would buy one in a minute (if i knew where you got it). After seeing this, I would never consider paying $2-4k for a real one unless I knew it was made by slave child labor.
I don't get why the USA and other countries fight to get China thrown out of the WTO. Not only do the stinking Chinese steal jobs, but they also copy products and affect sales for american companies. Fuck those chinks.
@HDaviator The Chinese aren't stealing jobs, American companies (and other countries too) are outsourcing their labor to China in order to save money. We are sending our jobs to them on purpose.
@tangypasta Thanks, Im not interested in buying one at the minute at least. Im not a big fan of the feel of a les paul, but one this nice for that price and sounding that good is very tempting. Not sure whether i'd risk it though. I'd love to know what seller he bought this off.
Hey i love your videos. I think it would be awesome to buy a chinese made Gibson left handed ES-335 body or Les Paul and replace the hardware make it nice. But i can't seem to find any of them on the site you bought yours from. Could you refer me to a site that i could buy one? Thanks
my bootleg version made in china witch is a canvas idk its oviously not famos it plays beter than a epphiphone by my majior cordes g,d,e,Em,c,f,.......ect but for 239 my bootleg first guitiar is ok
where do you buy these fakes?
TheRottenapple3 2 hours ago
that other gibson in the back looks like a rhoads signature R.I.P
BucketShredHead 1 day ago
Nice playing man! Insanity!
LifeIsPunkRock 1 day ago
It's Gibson's own fault, they are way too overpriced by about 500-700 dollars on the Les Paul. You could by a USA made Strat and still have enough left over for a couple of pedals or a new cab for what you pay out on a LP. And yes I own a Les-Paul it is awesome but it costs too much.
Thespeakerofmanytru8 2 days ago
could you show us a real one and compare maybe
23hooey 3 days ago
is that your chair creaking or is it the crappy strap button?
ahmadyuzamir 4 days ago
I wonder why our so called Big Brother isn't jumping in on this crap. Where are they? these guitars are stamped made in the usa. They are breaking the law and are in serious need of correction. And we wonder why our economy is struggling. Last thought= Imagine how much of our country they have bought with fake money?
holdemstacy 5 days ago
@holdemstacy I think fake guitars is the least of their worries. They have so many bigger issues to deal with.
OddTimeMan 4 days ago
@OddTimeMan They being Gibson or They being We the people/our govt.
holdemstacy 3 days ago
@holdemstacy You can't sue China. They are a Communist country and they don't play by the same rules we do. That's why China is the counterfeit capital of the world and they have been for a LONG time.
OddTimeMan 3 days ago
@OddTimeMan Well, actually you can. It's called international intellectual porperty rights. One can obtain and have sole rights to their legal property via an international patent. Trust me, Gibson has one. The prob. lies with China hacking in our computer systems and stealing our technology. We do have an economic impact on them. We should stop trading with them and see how their economy responds. I know my house has many Chinese items. I wonder if there houses have us stuff.
holdemstacy 2 days ago
@holdemstacy We don't really trade with China, there's an enormous trade deficit. Our companies outsource our work to them on purpose...'cause the labor is WAY cheaper. As for the counterfeits, the Chinese government needs to put a stop to it...but so far they haven't done much. All Gibson can do is keep asking them to stop.
OddTimeMan 2 days ago
@OddTimeMan My point exactally. Your wrong. We do trade with China. They are breaking international trade laws by forgeing copies of this guitar. They are using the brand name of Gibson on their guitars and selling them as Gibson guitars. It is even stamped as made in the USA on the back of the head stock. That is a CRIME! Period! No matter how you want to argue about it. Our so called leaders should boy cot the entire country.
holdemstacy 2 days ago
@holdemstacy Yes, I know counterfeits are illegal, I never said they weren't! Gibson has been trying to do something about it for YEARS. Unfortunately, there isn't much they can do. It's the Chinese GOVERNMENT that needs to put a stop to it. Counterfeit watches, jewelry, designer clothes, shoes, handbags, sunglasses, CD's, DVD's, etc. have been around for DECADES. You might even have some yourself.
OddTimeMan 2 days ago
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Judge Alex on 2.29.12, Les Paul small claims court of a craigslist seller of a faux Gibson sued (claimed he did not know it was fake), both parties lost, AS the court kept the guitar to be destroyed as counterfeit contraband. That's the real danger, when a faux LP is involved in any type of dispute or action, you can loose the guitar, loose your money, & reputation. Just buy Epiphone Les Paul to be authentic & legal. See the youtube link for this case involving the faux china LP: be/c4Lu4c32scg
applemorgan 5 days ago
it sounds great
mate0107 6 days ago
0:39 EPIC FACE!! U ROCK DUDE
Fartenk1 1 week ago
Picked up one 2nd hand yesterday, the flaws in mine is that the headstock is over angled, the inlays are SLIGHTLY crooked, the tone knobs (when looking down) are facing every which direction, the pick ups dip, one side of the flamed top is brighter than the other side, the input (plastic covering) is slightly crooked, and the action is pretty darn high, any lower and it buzzes, OH and the pick up frame isnt large enough to cover the dips, so theres tiny holes surrounding the pick ups!
wilfan12 1 week ago
@wilfan12 But hey.. Shes a looker, for a fraction of the price, plays better regardless than an epiphone, looks better too at a glance! 250? With hardcase and strings? Yeah.. Not too bad!
wilfan12 1 week ago
don't cry gramps
ThePingkoy123 1 week ago
Stop Supporting These Rip Off Industries
bluestrat123 1 week ago
i can tell in 2 seconds that supreme/suprome or whatever is a fake... how? the shape is not true, its a bit off, but fairly obvious, its kinda reminds me of the nighthawk shape a bit sharper cut like that a true paul is a bit more rounded..
MOSKII58 1 week ago
Let the player beware!.....I guess?....
residentpessimist 1 week ago
you know how it won't be same as in the picture? all the vendors say 'no worry, i send same guitar in picture, garantee it same' (with a chinese accent)...sh*tty wok has best quality on web!
demilieu 2 weeks ago
anyway, buying a gibson style chinese counterfiet...that's risky because it may arrive broken, and it certainly will not be the same quality of the guitar in the picture. if you have money you can risk loosing without getting bummed, do it. otherwise, stick to what you can get on g.c. online used. they have good deals. and if you're not satisfied they take returns no questions asked. that's my sermon.
demilieu 2 weeks ago
if the chinese 'wanted to' they coul;d make a gibson knock off that would pass the best expert inspection. usually they cut corners on the wood and quality of the pickups and electronics. i ordered a fake tele form china but what i got wasn't what was pictured. it's ok though, they did a terrific job on the neck. the body is basswood with a thin alder veneer front and back with a 3 tone pop-sunburst finish. it was only $200 including shipping. it has a fake serial number on it.
demilieu 2 weeks ago
that amazing guitar and user,nice job
johnYypunxer 2 weeks ago
i have a epiphone les paul thats a chinese fake, but it stills sounds great
johnnyscootz 2 weeks ago
So how much does a real Les Paul cost?
galaxything 2 weeks ago
@galaxything Why would you ask that question when you could just Google it and get the answer in seconds?
OddTimeMan 2 weeks ago
@OddTimeMan I did google, got conflicting answers :S
galaxything 2 weeks ago
@galaxything Try "Musician's Friend" or "Sam Ash" or "Guitar Center" or "American Musical Supply." Those are pretty good places to start.
OddTimeMan 2 weeks ago
shed me some light on this, are those chinese gibsons approved or just unlicensed copies?
seasonedtoker 2 weeks ago
@seasonedtoker Gibsons made in China are counterfeits.
OddTimeMan 2 weeks ago
To be honest, anybody who can't even SEE the differences between them have issues. It's so damn obvious. Despite all the copies, the similar shaped bodies, the single-cut designs, nothing feels like an actual Les Paul.
JEUXolim 2 weeks ago
@JEUXolim I think it's ignorant to say "nothing feels like an actual Les Paul." Solid-body electric guitars are just hardwoods & simple electronics, it isn't rocket science. There are many guitars in this world made the same way as Gibson. Try a Japanese-made Tokai, Burny, Greco, Edwards, or Orville, just to name a few. And they cost way less than Gibson!
OddTimeMan 2 weeks ago
@OddTimeMan Gibson is prestige, that's why the high cost. When you say made like gibson, are they hand made, hand selected woods/electronics?? Ebony fretboards? just curious, not trying to be a smart ass. It's just that it all does make a difference. The size of the difference might be real small, but that extra difference in quality is what people pay for. Plus bragging rights with friends. xD
terran236 2 weeks ago
@terran236 Hand-made? Gibsons are mass-assembled like any other guitar. They might still hand-carve the necks, but the bodies are CNC machined. The African mahogany is the same that's used on a lot of brands. Ebony fretboards are also used on many guitars. The tuners & other hardware comes from Asia. Pots & caps come from Asia. With Gibson you're mostly paying for the name...and expensive American labor.
OddTimeMan 2 weeks ago
@OddTimeMan
The expensive American labor is something I'm willing to pay more for. You know almost every guitar is manufactured with care. Quality check is better as well. Service afterwards will be better as well. Sure Gibson is not perfect, but they do a really good job. These copies are okay, but in no way better than an Epiphone.
This is coming from a non-American by the way.
Behindspace90 1 week ago
@Behindspace90 The PERCEPTION that American-made is the best still exists, but the reality is not the same as the perception. Gibson guitars USED to be really good, back before the '70's, but they aren't nearly as good now as they used to be. Gibsons are made with CNC machines, common woods, and Asian parts. You're mostly paying for the name.
OddTimeMan 1 week ago
@terran236 gibson does attend to fine quality and workmanship. all of their guitars pass the test for professional use. for all other stuff, they use the epiphone moniker.
demilieu 2 weeks ago
@terran236 I spoke with a world famous violin player. Byron Berline. He said he has plaid 2 stratovariouses in his life. He also said that they were different and awesome. He also said there were other violins he had that minus the value diff. he wouldn't trade for any of them. I totally understand. I recentlly purchased my 2nd tradition guitar. They make a high end guitar line "pro series" that is awesome. Look on ebay and buy one. You won't regret it.
holdemstacy 2 days ago
@holdemstacy There definitely is a difference in the higher end stuff. I recently bought a USA Kelly ke2 made of poplar and compared it with the Japanese dk2 made of alder. Although similar sounding, the kelly has a tightness about it. So I say, buy USA or legit import if possible. The Chinese fakers should make their own company name, I'm sure they would be taken more seriously as luthiers.
terran236 2 days ago
yo man let me ask you first off where you acquire one of these fakes so i dont get jipped. I just bought a 1950s tribute studio from a guitar store, but this made me question the authenticity of just about every gibson i see now.
chrisv7713 2 weeks ago
Man I really like your vid clips. I got a Slash A. F. D. and a Supreme just like yours and I am happy as a pig in a mud puddle and did not have to go into large debt to buy them. Yeah they are not the real McCoy but I am the only one that needs to be impressed and I am with the 2 I got so far. I WILL buy more!! Keep on jammin dude!!!!
ariaproIIfreak 2 weeks ago
After wachting your videos i would say you are very happy with these chinese guitars!. These people are doing good products and the best proof is changing the pickups of a real Gibson les Paul standart by the pickups of the fake chinese. Hear the tone and tell me if you find any great difference? Gibson L. Paul and chinese replicas are the same stuff and that is the true reality on these days! Why a japanese Lexus Car or Corolla is better than an american? Nice videos! I will buy a China LP!
losmasters001 2 weeks ago
Get the word out dude! Chinese fakes are hard to spot. You may keep someone from getting ripped off.
sglpaul 2 weeks ago
Where I can get One of this man! could you send me the Info by message? you are amazing dude! :)
jsdkoko 3 weeks ago
i rely want to play like you :o....but my right hand ( hand for picking ) always pick a wrong string :(....
SecretTuner 3 weeks ago
I love you man! You are so cool!
deathpony01 3 weeks ago
Is that the Peavey vypr 30?
megaluisdeth 3 weeks ago
12 strçng guitar on the bckgrnd saaaavaaaageee
ambroisevalet 3 weeks ago
I like that chineese lp bastard, where can you get these
forfreetoall 3 weeks ago
What dealer did you go through on Tradetang?
SteveV1231 1 month ago
Sorry didn't see that you answered tat question already. Are they stiull long gone?
SteveV1231 1 month ago
You're awesome!! Thanks for the informative video...I'll put it to good use,being a purest,always looking for fine instruments...get tougher everyday,nothing new,counterfeiting...I bet Gibson is feeling the grind of fed-up people paying alot for their no shortage Les Pauls.Thank you!!
bloodythinandfast 1 month ago
Nice video: Q: Are counterfeit guitars NOW legal to import, own and resale in the USA even if you fully disclose they are fake? And if the answer is still "NO, it's not legal in USA" , would most USA buyers in the $300-$400 price range be better off with a Epiphone Les Paul of similar quality with actual Gibson designed pickups, lifetime warranty, and most cases real mahogany on EPI LP's vs basswood as in this example? Why spend $ on China fake LP when U can buy a China Epiphone LP for same $?☺
oldguitarsmell 1 month ago
I saw right away in the thumb nail that that was not a real gibson but it looks right.
DinoDyl 1 month ago
Suhr guitars for the win!
MusicMan642 1 month ago
@pixxylixxx what supplier did you use on tradetang?
lvsexgtr 1 month ago in playlist More videos from PixxyLixxx
there I am?
101DIGITAL010 1 month ago
Are they as good or better than Epiphone LP ???
tommythepooh 1 month ago in playlist Autres vidéos de PixxyLixxx
Oh. I was expecting a visual, but was disappointed.
MrWhiteRabbitt 1 month ago
It is Trade Tang.. the seller is Daver... I have bought 7 from him.. He is the best.. you can PM if you like for more info..
ADDIE
ADDIElilqueenie 1 month ago
I have been looking up and down that Web Site and cant find a match to your axe...can you steer me to which seller you bought it from...want to get it right and get a good one on the first go around if possible.... thanks like that bag pipe sounding riff cool!
tundragyr 1 month ago
I have two from china there great and it doesnt matter if the pickup are not real because with special effects pedals you sound awesome even be like jimi hendrix now a days, I would say the most important thing to do is buy a les paul from a seller that has hi own company then you can get a great copy and also tell them what you want on the guitar. any way what effects and amp are you using in this video ? thanks
bluesmanreturns 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
wath cable yo ar yosing
ufdffdd1 1 month ago
the way the body is cut is completely different from a real gibson... its a totally different shape, not that hard to spot...
SGdude93 1 month ago
aaaaa ok.
groundloop07 1 month ago
For a fake it has pretty damn good tone. It sounds a but dirtier than a real Les Paul though.
MadSpectro7 1 month ago
@MadSpectro7 The sad thing is that Chinese fakes sounds better than some actual Strats. Not dissing Strats, I love em, but some of these fakes are getting really good, just like the man said.
EmperorofCartoons 1 month ago
i just got my gibson supreme and im worried its a fake can some one give me a list of things to look for? i know the wood gapping, the brass in the head stock, and gold frets anything else?
lvsexgtr 1 month ago
@lvsexgtr Well, where did you order it from? Did it come with a warranty card or a certificate?
If you got it from a licensed Gibson dealer or from a reputable online source like Musician's Friend its virtually impossible for it to be a fake.
EmperorofCartoons 1 month ago
watch out for a spider dude
nacho5611 1 month ago
@nacho5611 that's not me, but boy can this guy play guitar, not only that he's pretty good at helping you understand what to look out for when buying guitars
possibly one of the most under rated channels on the tube
leokimvideo 1 month ago
seems legit
FCTwente75 1 month ago
Pixxylixxx Gibson hasnt made a better guitar than Epiphone since 2008.
EPI6fingers 1 month ago
Do you work for gibson? change the damn hardwear and pickups.you now have a gibson les paul. People are always louoking to cut down these chineese pauls only because they cost a quater of what gibson charges Play the two together, you cant tell the difference i own both!!
djalsurdi67 1 month ago
@djalsurdi67 No, I don't work for Gibson. Changing the pickups would definitely improve the sound, but even if I changed all the hardware it wouldn't be as nice as a real Supreme. Even China can't get production costs that low without skimping on the hardware, electronics and wood. These are fun to fool around with but that's about it.
PixxyLixxx 1 month ago 8
@PixxyLixxx You buy fake les pauls to show us how to diffferenciate between fakes and real ones ? Nice man. (: How much did one fake cost you?
AZMALING 1 month ago
@PixxyLixxx .i understand that you think you are hilarious,but if you would stop the super shredding with useless babbel and get to the point.5 to 6 mins before you get to the subject.sorry and thanx.just honest.you are good and the subjects are awesome.IDN,maybe its just me..
guitaramp68 1 month ago
@PixxyLixxx where do u get these?
jimmypagen10 3 weeks ago
@djalsurdi67 you, my friend are a idiot !! you should be ashamed bro ! the chineese les paul cant even dream to match the quality, value, feel and sound of a real Gibson Les Paul Standard, Supreme or Custom. your comment made me sick. Chineese people cant make Les Pauls, every guitar from china is not a good quality guitars..
If you cant afford a Gibson Les Paul, dont buy a fake one, thats a shame.. simply save up money for the real thing.
bluesmaster94 1 month ago
@bluesmaster94 "every guitar from china is not a good quality guitars" Seriously? You've played every single guitar ever to come out of China? Wow. And before you call someone an idiot, you should first learn how to spell and form proper sentences!
OddTimeMan 1 month ago
@OddTimeMan ok, my comment was stupid.. and my grammer isnt the best because I'm from Norway. But the fake ones isn't as good as a real Gibson, thats all I ment ;)
but the rest was just me being really tired...
bluesmaster94 1 month ago
@bluesmaster94 Your crazy.I'm a collector of guitar and basses. I own 3 USA les pauls 2 standards 1 custom and 4 chinees like i said i changed the heardwear on the as well as the pickups on the chineese pauls, I play threw a Mesa boogie head and marshall cab. They sound too damn close for me to buy another USA Paul. Every guitar player i play them for hear very little difference if any. If i'm gonna play out i'll take the chineese so i don't have heart falure if i get a nick the USA one.
djalsurdi67 1 month ago
How are the frets on these copies, Are they as good or close to the real gibson frets or are the to high or low any difference in the two in your opinion?
djalsurdi67 1 month ago
@djalsurdi67 I haven't had any issues with the frets to report. I accidentally whacked one of my other guitars on a piece of sharp metal that required the first few frets to be replaced. There is no visible or tonal difference between the three replacement frets and the original frets. However, the real Supremes have gold frets and I've never seen gold frets on a fake. That's a good indicator of whether it's real or fake.
PixxyLixxx 1 month ago
@PixxyLixxx Love you're videos!!! Made me try Chinese Les Pauls...
First one was an Epi plus top standard, LOVE IT !!! Waiting on delivery of
one of the Supreme copys. guess I'll find out soon how it stacks up against my
Epi... Can you tell me where you get yours from??? might order a few more...
Any way great playing & tone too !!!
Horizon2142 2 weeks ago
@Horizon2142 please let us know what arrives.
demilieu 2 weeks ago
I want to say: Ok These guitars are cheap but not so cheap (3-400$ + shipping, taxes, custom, and if you're very unlucky custom police could charge you for illegal import of fakes, and other amenities...) then it play very bad, the finiture are approx.the tail piece is very different from original, the truss rod is quite inusable, the pick ups are shit, if you want to resell it nobody want it or you have to low dramatically the price: same price you get Or. Gibson Studio and a different world.
fabiolone70 1 month ago
@fabiolone70 Truss rod works fine on mine, but there are lemons out there. The quality out there varies considerably, but I've been happy with mine. No complaints here.
PixxyLixxx 1 month ago
@PixxyLixxx Ok but think...I would be a little sad and upset if people in the world sell fake Ferrari for 5000$ or sell junk food or tangled wine with our italian brands...GET RICH with this...anyway this is fine for playin' lone at home at low volume, in a live high volume session with drum, bass, and maybe another good guitar, I'm sure these guitars don't come out, sound mudded, go offtune in a while like a 100$ guitar as they are...
fabiolone70 2 weeks ago
Where do you buyed this guitar ??
prey2009 1 month ago
@prey2009 Tradetang.
PixxyLixxx 1 month ago
Since 2008 Epiphone has been and will continue to make better guitars than Gibson. Its a known fact that most models of the Epiphone Lp's and Sg's are very underpriced for the professional quality they deliver. This will change count on that.
EPI6fingers 1 month ago
@EPI6fingers I think there's some Gibson owners out there that would disagree with you. Epis are nice, but Gibsons are generally nicer.
PixxyLixxx 1 month ago
The only guitar companies that make the real Gibson Les Pauls and Sg's are Gibson and Epiphone period end of story. Now why would you even concider of paying $300 for total piece of fake shit like theses. There not Gibsons and there not Epiphones.
EPI6fingers 1 month ago
@EPI6fingers Don't knock until you try it. I think you'd be surprised.
PixxyLixxx 1 month ago
Great tips for the Chinese guitar builders. "Change 'o' to 'e' !"
smautomat 1 month ago
oh and don't forget to mention the tuning machines suck, unless they have improved on that, i have seen the custom, not the supreme..i was hearing rumor of a MAHOGANY chibson as well..but i dunno, yours sounds pretty good too..what are you spittin through?
scottfree6 1 month ago
@scottfree6 The machines do suck, but they're still working so I'll keep them until one breaks on me. It is mahogany, but not the nicer African mahogany, the cheaper Asian mahogany. I'm running this one through Guitar Rig 3 (I think....it may be GR4).
PixxyLixxx 1 month ago
@PixxyLixxx you said it's asian basswood body in the vid, i don't mean the ebony fb, i got that...the body is bass wood and so doesn't have the "honk" of a gibson, but i have seen demos side by side and i gotta say one guy had a tradetang like yours and it sounded pretty much identical to the genuine gibson he was playing back to back same licks so it makes ya wonder lol! nice tone your getting there though, it's really impressive. BTW i love that ibanez artist you have, always loved that guitar
scottfree6 1 month ago
@scottfree6 It's not all basswood. It's appears to be pancake slabs of basswood and Asian mahogany. We had to open another compartment to get a better view of the wood. When I made this video I had only looked at the inside for a few minutes when changing the strings. Since then I've looked more closely and I'm of the opinion that it's a mix of basswood (or maple...there's some disagreement among friends) and Asian mahogany. Unfortunately, if anything is consistent it's the inconsistencies.
PixxyLixxx 1 month ago
the body shape is waaaaaayyyy off
AphganREHAB 1 month ago 5
@AphganREHAB Yeah, it's been discussed at length here. I think I need to annotate the video as the issue comes back up every few weeks.
PixxyLixxx 1 month ago
SO WHERE DID YOU GET THE THING FOR GOD SAKES LOL!!
scottfree6 1 month ago
@scottfree6 Tradetang.
PixxyLixxx 1 month ago
Warnig:Dont buy fro the seller HIHAGUITAR.
SuperSvai 1 month ago
where can i buy one of those? hook me up...
electricbible 1 month ago
@electricbible yeah, me 2
JonesFromDenmark 1 month ago
@electricbible I got mine from Tradetang, but it was a long time ago so my exact dealer is long gone.
PixxyLixxx 1 month ago
hahahaha
cazioism 1 month ago
you can see from a mile away that the body shape is veeeery different..
disturbtheworlds 1 month ago 12
@disturbtheworlds Not that I expect you to read all the comments, but yeah, this has been discussed ad nauseam, starting about 900 comments ago. I should probably make an annotation to the video because it comes back up every few weeks.
PixxyLixxx 1 month ago
HAH!! Suprome I wonder if that was the same site I seen a Peavey EVH "wolfGaug" they were advertizing in a local buy/sell site and they shipped from china. this one was a easily spotted fake, 4 knobs instead of 2, black humbuckers instead of zebra, pickup rings instead of the pickups being bolted to the bottom of the pickup pocket
moogmanXanders 1 month ago
so they can really put the gibson name on it and there is no legal issues? i guess it would be hard to crack down on multiple chinese luthier shacks but im curious to how they get away with it
rectalbomb 1 month ago
@rectalbomb asians...
funofsk8ing 1 month ago
@rectalbomb They are illegal but the Chinese government doesn't care. China is the counterfeit capital of the world and they have been for a LONG time. They actually take pride in that. Gibson can't do much about it. Gibson actually created this monster in the first place by moving Epiphone production to China in 2003.
OddTimeMan 1 month ago
Get yours on Ebay...for a whole lo more.
kuei12 1 month ago
To me the body looks wrong too bad you didnt hold a real supreme(assuming you have one) and the copy side by side
TheGearmandude 1 month ago
the body isn't rounded enough that's the first thing i noticed
TheMAJofficial 1 month ago
WARNING:Avoid this seller HIHAGUITAR.
SuperSvai 1 month ago
Just turned 16 on the 15th. Guess who's getting a job and Gibson Les Paul later on?
ErosaScuderia 1 month ago
I play the shit out of my real les paul and stays in tune and holds notes forever with just a litlle overdrive
ggiul1256 1 month ago
@ggiul1256 I play the shit out of my les paul copy and stays in tune and holds notes forever with just a litlle overdrive.
A good guitar is a good guitar. It shouldn't matter where it was made or what name is on the headstock. I actually like my $600 Korean-made Dean Cadillac BETTER than my Gibson LP. It feels/plays/sounds/looks like it cost thousands.
OddTimeMan 1 month ago 11
@OddTimeMan same here!....1980 Caddy!...
zetasong 1 month ago
@zetasong Caddy's rule.
OddTimeMan 1 month ago
@OddTimeMan Korea makes better guitars than the U.S. does to so that's amazing dude. a good guitar is a good guitar 1000% true
TheMAJofficial 1 month ago
@TheMAJofficial Yeah, they make some very nice guitars in Korea.
OddTimeMan 1 month ago
This guy must get all the chicks.
Fooblestheclown 1 month ago
I play it, I don't stick my chub in it.
majorkeybaree 1 month ago
I used to look for the orange stircker easly seen in 335's and any Gibson with F Holes
righturnonly 1 month ago
where are these copies solds?please respond
righturnonly 1 month ago
Sad to say but WHY buy a fake when its of poorer quality? is'nt the purpose of buying more expensive Gibson or Fender etc..IS THE QUALITY ? I myself own a few fender "lawsuit basses" BUT they are cheaper than the original and are equal or EVEN BETTER than the guitars they are copying. So I guess its all for the sake of being cool? or superficial ? who care WHAT kind it is,any real guitarist can tell a 300.00$ cheater from a 2000.00$ US made Les Paul. Save up,buy a real one!
cottonfever1221 1 month ago
@cottonfever1221 Not dissing the video or the guitar,just an opinion,I know how tuff it is to buy a high end guitar these days,I had to buy both my basses used which is fine for being a guitar tech I can trick them out a bit and get more out of it than normal,Everything is so OVERPRICED it forces people to buy copies,and a word to the wise Japan makes the better copies,some even better than the originals,check'em out.
cottonfever1221 1 month ago
I have a couple of questions for you .
What audio interface do you use with Th2 , cause it sounds great
and
has anybody told you that you're a younger double of Paul Sorvino
longgoodbyeIreland 1 month ago
anyone know where to get one...ebay?
theotherbigbrother 1 month ago
I wanna buy a fake chinese les paul to fool my friend. Where exactly can I buy one?
markenyou 2 months ago
ok.now i can spot a fake gibson les paul. but how and where can i order 1 for that price???;i like it!!!!!let me know please.it sounds amazing.
1967dvg 2 months ago
I wouldn't mind buying one of these fakes for, what, $400? I can't even justify paying for a real Gibson when I can slap great pickups in an Epi Les Paul Custom and have the same thing.
PrettyFreakinWise 2 months ago 2
So slap in a BMW engine in a Mini, and then it's automatically a BMW? Take it to the track. Enough said.
MasterxMorgan 2 months ago
@MasterxMorgan In this case,yes.
PrettyFreakinWise 2 months ago
Take them to the Nurburgring. I would love it if you tried comparing them then.
MasterxMorgan 2 months ago
@MasterxMorgan USA Les Pauls are a rip off. No guitar on this planet is worth 2,500-5,000 dollars. No guitar is worth 1,000, honestly. When you buy a Gibson, you are paying for a name. Its like paying 230 for a bottle of Walker blue when there are other scotch-whiskies that are just as good at half the price. The Epi Les Paul custom can stand against any Gibson on any day.
PrettyFreakinWise 2 months ago
If justifying your inability to pay more to get more by saying that makes you feel better, then fine.
MasterxMorgan 2 months ago
@MasterxMorgan The problem is, people are paying more (a LOT more) and they're ASSUMING they're getting more, when in reality they're actually getting about the same...or maybe just slightly more. I ask people all the time; What is this "more" you're getting? They usually don't know. And sometimes they assume things that just aren't true.
OddTimeMan 2 months ago 11
I ... don't quite give a shit, honestly. I would much rather pay more to get more. Why is it the same, because they're both Les Pauls? Nah...
Like I said, mind the gap.
MasterxMorgan 2 months ago
@PrettyFreakinWise sorry you are very wrong
ggiul1256 1 month ago
motley crue in top left, he knows his stuff :P
wallzyking 2 months ago
great info!! I would buy one in a minute (if i knew where you got it). After seeing this, I would never consider paying $2-4k for a real one unless I knew it was made by slave child labor.
xxmanx1 2 months ago
I don't get why the USA and other countries fight to get China thrown out of the WTO. Not only do the stinking Chinese steal jobs, but they also copy products and affect sales for american companies. Fuck those chinks.
HDaviator 2 months ago
@HDaviator The Chinese aren't stealing jobs, American companies (and other countries too) are outsourcing their labor to China in order to save money. We are sending our jobs to them on purpose.
OddTimeMan 2 months ago
Suprome? lol Chinese people are so retarded.
ScoobidouBoondoggle 2 months ago
@ScoobidouBoondoggle I'd like to see u write supreme in chinese
tangypasta 2 months ago 8
@tangypasta I would too, hahaha
ScoobidouBoondoggle 2 months ago
Hi, I found a seller called amybuy and it sais on the page that I can request an ebony fretboard.How can I ask her?
Thanks man
bluberization 2 months ago
isnt the shape wrong?
tangypasta 2 months ago
May I ask where you got this?
DMoots 2 months ago
@DMoots his other replica he got from tradetang. Make sure you buy from a seller with good feedback.
tangypasta 2 months ago
@tangypasta Thanks, Im not interested in buying one at the minute at least. Im not a big fan of the feel of a les paul, but one this nice for that price and sounding that good is very tempting. Not sure whether i'd risk it though. I'd love to know what seller he bought this off.
DMoots 2 months ago
he doesnt mention the body looks competly wrong, almost like a prs
ILLbiteURfaceCNT 2 months ago
Hey i love your videos. I think it would be awesome to buy a chinese made Gibson left handed ES-335 body or Les Paul and replace the hardware make it nice. But i can't seem to find any of them on the site you bought yours from. Could you refer me to a site that i could buy one? Thanks
destroman16 2 months ago
@destroman16 I found one just like the one in this video, atleast I think. Its not left handed but it might help ya from there. Pm me I'll link ya
TriWaZe 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@TriWaZe can ya link it to me too? plees !!!
TheAgente23 2 months ago
my bootleg version made in china witch is a canvas idk its oviously not famos it plays beter than a epphiphone by my majior cordes g,d,e,Em,c,f,.......ect but for 239 my bootleg first guitiar is ok
vqu7nk 2 months ago
So... is this still technically a Gibson, or a complete rip-off? I'm thinking of just ordering one of these and putting burst-buckers in it.
superflossman 2 months ago
Think I found the exact same one in this video, Its 328 bucks shipped on TradeTang
TriWaZe 2 months ago
Another way to tell a fake supreme is the colour of the frets. Real Gibson Supreme have gold frets - this one does not.
davedave99999 2 months ago
Thinking you can hear a difference of sound on Youtube is stupid... To figure out, you have to fucking TEST it ! Morons...
Sniperkitten971 2 months ago