@LuckyB1990 Well these passionate matters often tend to get that way so my appologies to you to. In the end it's all just words anyway; but let's still hope we get what we both want ;-)
@LuckyB1990 The bilingualism garbage is costing Canada over $2 BILLION per year and has reduced the quality of service as people are often selected for jobs on language abilities alone. Unless you are born into a French speaking home, learning the language as an adult is not an easy task for most. But because a minority of elitists have been empowered in government, the minority in Canada is holding this once great country back. But I guess that makes me a redneck. LOL! Ok.
@LuckyB1990 The bilingualism garbage is costing Canada over $2 BILLION per year and has reduced the quality of service as people are often selected for jobs on language abilities alone. Unless you are born into a French speaking home, learning the language as an adult is not an easy task for most. But because a minority of elitists have been empowered in government, the minority in Canada is holding this once great country back. But I guess that makes me a redneck. LOL! Ok.
@LuckyB1990 You must also be a leftist since the typical response for a leftists is to call names and label people. LOL! Whatever works for you sunshine.
@MagnusAtheos1 Well...since this country is almost 1/4 french speaking and that it was established as a bilingual country. I find it very insulting that you don't care about it so much that you believe that we (the french speaking population) are holding Canada back...It would be unacceptable that in Quebec we have to give services in English, pay taxes for English schools when more than 90% of its population is french from birth if other provinces won't do the same on their side.
@LuckyB1990 If you don't want Canada to be based on bilingualism anymore you will have to accept that Quebec will be French speaking and that all the rights that English speaking minorities have earned will be lost. It is either bilingualism for everyone or a 2 sided country with even more political and social issues. You're talking like if French language was spoken by 1% or something...
@LuckyB1990 I repeat: Over 2 Billion a year spent because of the French. Remember the guy on the plane that sued because the stewardess didn't speak french? That is the latest of countless examples of the French causing havoc and stirring up hate in this country. Canada would have been much better off without Quebec and the whole French problem that plagues it like a cancer. Funny how Quebec doesn't have to be bilingual eh?
@MagnusAtheos1 Canada would have been better off without Quebec? What do you mean exactly? Like if it did not exist at all? Because we settled in Canada about 200 years before the English even came in...Or do you mean if Quebec and Canada were 2 different countries? Because if this is what you mean I totally agree with you on this one. And yes we do have to be bilingual (Not officially...but in fact we offer every provincial government service in English too).
@LuckyB1990 Unfortunately the English allowed the French to stay after they defeated them so we are now stuck with Quebec. The only options now are to get rid of bilingualism which the leftists would never allow, or, separate. Unfortunately for Quebec, the Americans wouldn't want the headache, and I doubt Quebec could make it on it's own; but Canada would be better off! Quebecers know this which is why they only threaten separation. Besides, too many perks in sucking Canada's tit.
@MagnusAtheos1 They allowed the French to stay? Those people were established there for almost two centuries...You can't conquer a nation an ask thousands of people to just "leave". Americans did not tell mexicans to "leave" California...By the way I'm pretty sure Quebec could do it on its own. I don't see why it couldn't. If small countries such a Switzerland, Denmark, Iceland, etc can live on their own I don't see why Quebec couldn't.
@LuckyB1990 Even without Canada, Quebec has a wealthy enough economy to be part of the G20. We receive money from other provinces such as Alberta or Newfoundland that's true...But we also send a lot to less fortunate provinces too like Yukon and Prince Edward Island...We can't capitalize all the oil we have because the Federal government does not allow us to do it at the price Alberta is doing it. Without all those boundaries we would do pretty well on our own.
@LuckyB1990 We are not threatening to separate. We are trying for real...It's just that many elders brainwashed with fear of a supposed bankrupt still have the right to vote. The surveys about Quebec independence show that French speaking people under 40 years old are 68% in favor or Quebec separation. This, in a province where 80% is French from birth + a 10% of French speaking immigrants. I'm not saying that we will inevitably separate. But it's not like if we were only "threatening" to...
@LuckyB1990 We can seem like a "plague" or a "cancer" to you. But we feel the same about you. I don't hate English Canadians and I don't think most of Quebecers hate them either. But I really don't believe we fit together in the same country. And since we are a minority in our "own country" (if I can say it is even our country) we have to fight for our rights. However I really don't care about the French speaking minorities outside of Quebec.
@LuckyB1990 That's why I agree with you that the bilingualism all over Canada is absolutely not necessary. We can't force you to speak French just like you can't force us to speak English. You guys tried very hard in the pas and it did not succeed. We have a strong culture to resist such an outnumbering pressure from the outside and we won't give up. So if you don't want us as we are don't worry we will separate eventually. Maybe in 5 years, maybe in 50 but we will. It is very likely to happen.
@LuckyB1990 Oh and last thing...I'm sorry this is getting a pretty long text. The Americans and headache thing...I don't get it. What do they have to do in Quebec separation. They don't care about it as long as they get the same buisness with the new country that they had with it when it was part of Canada. They would probably not mind it as long as we don't become some kind of dictatorship that allies with Russia or something like that. They usually support freedom of nations.
@LuckyB1990 You mean become like the problem it is to Canada? I only mentioned it as an option for Quebec. But it isn't really an option because the Americans would never tolerate the BS that comes with Quebec. They see what a nightmare Quebec has been for Canada.
@LuckyB1990 Hey! Vive le Quebec Libre LuckyB! I truly hope that someday we both have our own countries! You have the country of Quebec, and we have Canada. We can have our jobs back and be over 2 billion a year richer! We can get on with solving real problems and not be tied up with silly bilingualism issues. We both have the same goal, except let the separation be a TRUE separation. If you need my vote, I'll go over there long enough to cast my "Oui" ballot!
@LuckyB1990 There's good and bad in everyone of course, but I totally agree that the both of us being in Canada is not a good thing. This is continuously proven by incidents like French athletes flying the Quebec flag instead of the Canadian flag, and jerks in airplanes suing because someone didn't speak French to them even though they perfectly understood Englinsh and got what they wanted in the end anyway. Quebecers often show their lack of reespect for Canada.
@LuckyB1990 The elders are usually smarter than the youth as they have lived long enough to learn lifes lessons. That is why the youth typically, and foolishly vote for the socialist left. They don't know any better. Even I made that foolish mistake when i was in my teens and regretted it.
@LuckyB1990 Established for two centuries? I think you are referring to the Indians. As far as the Americans and Mexicans go, I'll bet the Americans are regretting that too. At least the Americans are smart enough not to let the Mexicans jerk them around with bilingualism.
Well you are correct. Quebec probably could do it on it's own because the Canadian leftists would probably be stupid enough to help them out. We all know it would never be a true separation.
@MagnusAtheos1 By the way I'm much more of a right-winged person than a leftist...Being a Redneck from the prairies and being on the right side in politics may be often linked but those are two different things that can come separetly
Drôle de question au départ : « How do you think of French Canadians »? Il y a quelque chose de pathétique là-dedans : « Comment trouvez-vous les Canadiens français? » C'est aller à la recherche de remarques insignifiantes.
Le gars n'en côtoyait probablement pas ou très peu. 0:15
Pas besoin de savoir ce que les Papous, les Vermontois ou les Belges pensent de nous pour justifier l'avantage d'un Québec indépendant.
Ceci est une vidéo très vieux, mais je pense qu'il a démontré ainsi l'attitude des gens dans cette période. Parfois, je le crains, cependant, que beaucoup de mes compatriotes du Québec continue de penser que cela reflète la communauté anglophone Québécoise d'aujourd'hui, et ca ce n'est pas vrai. Nous, les jeunes anglophones au moins, ont vraiment beaucoup changé dans nos attitudes, tout en valorisant notre propre culture et son rôle dans notre Québec moderne.
Makes me sad hearing some of those hillbillie's bigotry. I can't speak French but both of my kids are fully bilingual and are in full immersion at school.
@timrs2001 You are offering a bright future to those kids. Bilingualism creates more open-minded people :) I Congratulate you because that is exactly why a bilingual country is so interesting. I am so mad against my father that didn't spoke to me in English even though it was his first language (since I couldn't go to an English school because of Bill 101). I managed to learn myself but it is so much harder.
I was just saying that if some foreign banks leave, there will be local ones very happy to take their clients. I very much doubt they will give them that pleasure however. The same goes to other businesses, it serves no one to abandon a market to your competitors.
Their headquarters did, indeed but they still hold a presence in the province. I wouldn't count much on their chances to remain here if they did leave following a secession.
We don't only have two banks, we also have la Banque Laurentienne, to name another one. I also very much doubt all the foreign banks would leave Québec after a secession, this much would be a disaster of a business move.
What you don't say is what companies left, such as Sun Life, came back crawling realising it made no sense to abandon a complete market to its competitors. There is nothing in the world that would please the Québécois banks such as Desjardins or la Nationale to have other banks leave and leave them free reign, for instance. But it won't happen, because it is silly to abandon an entire market for such petty reasons. Businessmen will remain businessmen.
Pretty sure that when it comes down to money, little language protectionnism matters very little. If a company implants itself in Germany, it is going to be run in German without it being an hindrance to profit. It is completely ridiculous to even claim otherwise but your clique is too stupid to aknowledge it. Companies will look at the talent of the workforce, its raw number and the taxes it will need to pay in order to decide where it is best suited to exist. Period.
That isn't true at all. It isn't a "human law" to have the unalienating rights to put whatever you want on a sign. What charter of human rights does this breach? The UN's? Nope. Canada's? Neither.
As much as the catholic church deserves a lot of credit for keeping the Québécois in the dark, it didn't help that the entire upper echelon of the workforce was english, that all businesses were run in this language. Changing that helped the average Québécois to improve his situation.
We've seen much worse 'tyranny' than making a language mandatory on signs, especially considering it does not stop the use of other languages on them. Before the law and regardless of the majority, most signs were in english only. Thankfully, the situation has seen been fixed and is now much more representative.
I'm not sure if you live in Québec or not but you certainly appear to not know much about Bill 101 and the "draconian ways" used to enforce it. What exactly strikes you as nazi-like in this language protection bill? That french is mandatory on commercial signs? That people must go through the french system of education? You're joking?
Hardly anything that drives the economy down. In fact, the average Québécois certainly is richer today than he was prior to the enactment of Bill 101.
Polls have shown support for sovereignty is stable even following the Bloc's defeat. Quite many sovereignists voted for another party, aiming for change. Perhaps there is a declining support, but it hasn't been very convincing so far and there is certainly no "clear indication" of that.
I disagree that anything similar is used as a "tactics" and if you insist on making such grotesque comparisons, just keep in mind that it is very easy to make some more of them.
You do understand what trolling is, as it isn't sticking to your belief and trying to mount proper arguments. Trolling isn't someone arguing something you happen to disagree with. You wouldn't understand, as you hardly have a clue what arguing entails and what facts represent.
No no, your "point" was to define nationalism with its most extreme representations. It is very easy to demonize everything this way, a lot of people use it to demonize religions for instance. What it leads to, is racism. Amusingly, you are probably stupid enough to believe you fight racism when you all you manage is contribute to it. The human race isn't a dichotomy of good and evil people, you would do well to understand that.
As you are someone that appears incapable of objectivity, of relativising, I very much doubt you are aware of what "being educated" means.
But continue to call me a nazi, those smart enough to see better certainly should realise I'm not the one making it my goal to spread hatred wherever I go.
Are insults all you can retort with when backed to a wall with your own vacuity of argument?
It takes a little man to compare Québec, its sovereignism movement or Bill 101 with nazism. It proves again that the Godwin Law reigns supreme amongst those who cannot properly defend their standpoint.
@MontrealHabs4Ever Propaganda works both ways. Nt all separatists hate all the english. I myself have many anglophone friends. The issue is that the strongest propaganda comes from the federal government, the one the majority of canadians (anglophones) identify with, and so even ordinary anglophones and also francophones in Québec r passively detrimental to our cause. That's also y pressures by francophones must b made to protect our own ideals; pressures often,unjustly, perceived as intolerance
Je demeure à Toronto mais je suis une anglophone née à Montréal et je parle parfaitement le français puisque j'ai été à l'école française. Je n'aime pas la théorie des 2 peuples fondateurs car elle oublie les PREMIÈRES NATIONS. Le gros problème au Canada est que les anglos ne connaissent pas et ne veulent pas connaître les francos et vice-versa. Les uns associent les autres à des stéréotypes faux. Tout le monde doit avoir plus d'ouverture sur les autres et oublier la généralization.
@emscollins19 Les premiere nations sont morte yon pu rien a revendiquer.
Si y veulent faire une révolution qui en font une i vont etre tirer un par un cest la vie cest cruel et des révolution PASSIVE cest un mensonge sa l'éxiste pas et cest rien comparer a une vrai révolution ou ya des mort
Parler cest facile, faire cest autre chose.
Meme chose pour moi mis mes droit sont en jeu jvais donner ma vie pour ma liberter pis si jmeurt jmourerais mais jaurais pas a endurer sa.
@emscollins19 Évidemment que les Français n'étaient pas les premiers, mais les indigènes du Canada sont en minorité, et il doit y avoir vraiment très peu d'indigènes "pure souche".
Je crois pour ma part que les Francophones sont les plus méritant.
@MsColdCanada J'ai juste parlé de statistiques, je ne suis pas raciste du tout ! C'est comme les Indiens d'amériques (USA). Beaucoup se déclarent "purs descendant d'amérindiens", alors qu'ils ne représentent même pas 1% de la population. Les "vrais" sont devenus très rare. J'ai juste fait un constat, j'ai pas dit que c'était bien ou mal !
@emscollins19 Euh non. Je n'ai jamais entendu ce discours venant des premières nations. En fait les premières nations du Québec s'en tirent plutôt bien dans leurs négociations avec le gouv du Québec parce que les discussions se font sur une base d'égal à égal, de nation à nation (voir Paix des Braves) .
J'ai plutôt l'impression que les fédéralistes essaient d'utiliser les premières nations pour faire oublier que le peuple canadien français, devenu québécois, est le peuple fondateur de ce pays.
ce qui me fait le plus rire, par dessus les anglais stupides, c'est les francophones qui n'aiment pas le Québec et/ou qui n'aiment pas les souverainistes et qui aiment tant le Canada qui les détestent tant xD c'est genre des vieux pas trop vite avec un secondaire 2 A PEINE qui sont borné pis une gang de ptits moutons qui suivent un troupeau qui leur ment xD
C'était peut-être cinq, j'y allais de mémoire, mais ça fait bien plus que 10 ans de ça, ces gens seraient aujourd'hui à la retraite depuis longtemps.
Je ne suis pas contre des coupures additionnelles, cette fois dans la structure administrative. Le gouvernement et sa politique de remplacer un fonctionnaire sur deux lorsqu'ils partent à la retraite ne semble pas fonctionner, l'état n'a pas diminué. Je ne suis pas le plus gros fans de la puissance des syndicats dans le secteur public non plus.
@Vineon 2 ?... je dirais plutôt 5 ans! La retraite à été abaissé à 55 ans au lieu de 60 et plus de 4000 médecins/infirmiers sont parti sur le coup. S'il fallait couper quelque part, ça serait bien dans les dépenses de ceux qui nous gouverne, des fraudes occasionnées surement plus souvent que l'on le pense et des milliers d'employés faisant parti du '' Club Med '' ( Personnes syndiquées qui se font payer à rien faire car leur métier est aujourd'hui inutile ou remplacer par un autre. ), Etc.
Sérieusement, le Québec devenir indépendant? On est pas prêt pour ça. Premièrement, il faudrait que l'on paye notre dette (pfffff elle est loin d'être finie). Deuxièmement, le gouvernement est corrompu jusqu'à l'os... et franchement, je ne voudrais pas du PQ comme élu... Vous vous rappelez peut-être de ce que Pauline Marois a déja fait en tant que ministre de la santée : envoyer des médecins/infirmiés à la retraite car '' il fallait couper quelque part '' . On voit les conséquences aujourd'hui..
Les départs à la retraite ciblaient des volontaires qui allaient de toute façon prendre leur retraite dans les deux ans. S'il y a eu conséquence au départ, il est inconcevable de prétendre qu'il y en a toujours aujourd'hui, plus d'une décennie plus tard.
Le but des départs à la retraite était d'atteindre pour la première fois en des décennies le déficit zéro, ce qui a été fait, justement pour ne pas alourdir notre dette.
La politique du déficit zéro en est une du PQ qui a même légiféré pour rendre obligatoire des budgets sans déficits... c'est le PLQ qui a dérogé de cette voie.
Autre chose, rembourser notre dette, la réduire, est une chose. La 'clearer' avant de faire l'indépendance est cependant ridicule, il n'existe pas de pays sans dette nationale.
Pauvre enfant?! Vous dîtes que la liberté est relative Vineon... Il a droit à sa propre vision, n'est-ce pas là, la notion de relativité? Je suis Canadien! Je suis québecois, je suis pour le rayonnement du Québec, sa progression sur le plan économique, etc... Je crois aussi que cela peut se faire au sein d'un canada uni. (AVEC Québec) Je suis libre en étant canadien, aucune de mes libertés civiques ou individuelles n'est brimées! Le Québec est une province, le Canada un pays composé de nations.
Elle est relative parce la complète liberté n'existe pas. Nous sommes soumis à des règles, à des lois et des structures qui contreviennent à cette pleine liberté.
Le Québec n'est pas un pays indépendant et en conséquent ne possède pas les libertés qui reviennent à ceux-ci. Dans ce sens, le Québec n'est pas libre, à moins que l'on ne considère liberté celle de se faire imposer contre son gré. Mais vous êtes à l'aise avec ça puisque vous êtes 'Canadien'.
Vous êtes Canadien, grand bien vous fasse, ça n'a jamais rien voulu dire pour moi. Comme vous reconnaissez l'existence de nations (au pluriel d'ailleurs, c'est intéressant, accordez-vous le statut de nation à ceux qui ne le revendiquent même pas?) à l'intérieur de ce Canada, vous devez reconnaître qu'elles n'ont pas les libertés inhérentes à un pays.
c,est drôle..pour les séparatistes, quand on n'est pas d'accord avec les mensonges et la propagande des séparatistes, on est un colonisé, traitre, ou pire encone. Désolé, mais il y en a qui lisent l'histoire et qui regarde autour et qui réalisent que les slogans tels- vive le québec libre, plus à genou etc...sont vides de sens.. ON EST LIBRE DÉJÀ -crissss!!!! Essayez de me prouver le contraire
Voir devant, c'est cessez de considéré les anglais comme les méchants. Parce que l'histoire c'est une question de perception. Ni les anglais, ni les français ne sont les méchants. Ne dites pas ce que je n'ai pas dit. Il ne faut PAS abandonner notre culture et notre langue!! Je suis simplement pas d'accord sur les façons d'y arriver. Démoniser le Canada Anglais et l'Angleterre, c'est pas la bonne solution. Conserver notre culture et notre langue, OUI :D mais combattre l'ennemi non! Quel ennemi?
... Un conflit vieux comme le monde... Je suis fédéraliste, je suis Canadien et fier. Je suis francophone de naissance, j'habite en plein coeur du Québec. Pourtant, j'associe ma patrie à cet emblème du Parlement, nous avons peut-être la mémoire courte cher confrères, mais ce n'est pas l'Angleterre qui nous as trahi, ni le Canada. Ce sont les français! Bien sur, notre province a été l'hôte d'atrocité innommable, mais il faut voir devant.
@clap237 ..ok pis c'est sensé vouloir dire quoi ca ? Que c'est les Français les méchants et les Anglais les Gentils ? Que vous n'êtes ni Français ni Anglais ni rien du tout ?
Et puis c'est vraiment ce que vous apprenez à l'école ca ? Que les Français sont des traitres ?
Donc voir de l'avant c'est quoi ? Se fermer complètement à la francophonie? laissez vôtre culture mourir sous la pression des anglosaxons qui n'ont aucune espèce de considération pour elle?
@clap237 Moi, j'aime ton commentaire, chui Québécois pis Canadien aussi.. comme tu bien sais y'a d maudits separatistes qui ne savent ni connaissent la realité québécoise... ils parlent trop de quoi??? de rien! alors... il faut rester ensemble avec notre pays en gardant notre culture pis notre langue!
Disons que la sémantique du vide est davantage quelque chose qui vous est propre. Quelle est donc cette réalité Québécoise que les souverainistes ne semblent pas intéressés à connaître?
@kellystone84 Funny... But from the IOC to the UN, the langage used in last resort is always French, because that langage is much more precise, clear, accurate than any other langages. It was create for that! Its not only a question of vocabulary but also a question of grammatical structure of the sentences. They tried to translate in English Simone de Beauvoir, for exemple, but its impossible. You miss everything with the English version, even in the 2009 version of "The second sex"...
Ce genre de témoignage est utile pour se souvenir. Mais si les canadiens entre-eux, les wallons et les flamands ne peuvent parvenir à la paix, que penser d'Israël et de la Palestine. Et si on se disait qu'on veut juste élever nos enfants dans la paix, si arrêtait ces haines idiotes créées uniquement pour le pouvoir de quelques familles qui nous bouffent la laine sur le dos?
Selon moi, le Québec devrez être un pays pour que justement, on défendes nos intérêt et pas seux des Canadiens. Qu'ils arrêtes un peu de piquer notre blé.
Nous n'avons rien en commun sauf bien sur, le fait que tout les deux pendant longtemps, on se battais pour la démocratie, maitenant... Je ne vois que des problèmes économiques.
@gundamWWW Well americans are the only english people that do respect us. We helped you in your revolution and you tried to help us. Many of you and us still remember it. I would prefer to be a USA state rather than stuck into a british colony full of ignorant haters. Yes, it's mostly the English Canada that I know and that I have seen when I got out of Québec. My life was threaten at some point just for being Canadien, French.
National socialist is long for nazi...the independence establishment in Quebec is a National Socialist order...c'mon pretty clear its been admited by the P,Q. etc...its a con job on the Quebecois but at the working class Anglo expense...simple...always look for the deeper meaning...look real close
On aurait pas à s'imposer, à défendre notre culture si on la ferrai vivre... Ben, oui on est francophone.... Et pis après!!! Ça nous donne pas le droit de rien !! On patauge dans un débat qui fini plus... Aie! Québécois vous êtes qui, vous êtes quoi!!! Un brin d'histoire, seulement?? Vivez dont ensemble, en communauté, en famille avant de critiquer et de revandiquer quoique ce soit.... D'Accord!! D'Accord!!
Hahaha!! Why we speak! Parce que l'homme se comprend pas lui-même alors comment comprendre ses semblables ?? Je vous le demande! Et oui, parfois il s'est ce qu'il est, il trouve une place dans la vie et bon, tout ce qu'il trouve à faire c'est l'imposer à quelqu'un d'autre qui n'en est pas là!
Les anglophones prétendent qu'on doit parler anglais car c'est la langue majoritaire en Amérique. Vraiment? Je vais parler la langue majoritaire en Amérique alors:
Su arrogancia les permitirá jamas reconocerlo pero los anglófonos viven en un océano de hispanohablantes. Se piensan superior al mundo entero y son totalmente cerrados de espíritus. ¿Pero para qué son buenos exactamente? Aparte crear el caos, ellos no puede hacer grande cosa de válido
Voyez comme on a toujours été traités. Ne croyez-vous pas qu'il serait temps d'être moins accomodants et cesser de leur parler en anglais chez nous au Québec? Ils ne nous respecteront pas plus pour ça.
Au lieu de ça, les Qc de nos jours sont incapables d'écrire une phrase sans employer la moitié des mots en anglais et virent en anglais dès qu'il y a un anglophone même dans un groupe de 500 francophones.
Il serait temps de mettre nos culottes une fois pour toute esti
dici 50 ans la majorite dla population au canada sera pu de descendance anglaise francaise irlandaise ou ecossaise mais chinoise arabe latino!!pis on peu pas renverser ca!!on est 7 m,illiards bordel!!ce pas une tite ligne imaginaire qui va garder le monde ensemble dans leur coin!!mais bon si ya un referendum jai toujours dit jvoterais oui anyway!!chu pas contre ce juste que jai pu dillusions trop trop jmattend deja au pire!!
si la terre sunifie pas en un tout une seule entite cest lannihilation qui nous attend anyway!!aaa un quebec libre ca va etre beau la republique!!dici 50 ans y va rester quoi pour etre fier??UN PUTAIN DE CHAMP DE RUINES!!on est juste mal tombe dans le temps 200 ans avant on aurait eu le temps!!bientot canadien quebecois americains mexicain ca voudra pu rien dire juste dou tu viens!!ca fait juste commencer les refugier climatique sen vienne!!250 000 immigrants au canada juste cet annee!!
jme pense pas superieur parce que jparle anglais pis jvois pas pourkoi tout le monde capote avec lasti de langue!!pis chu pas colonise parce que jen ai crissement rien a chier non plus!!lcrois pas aux races pis a la division jpense juste que ca a ete fait expres pour que lelite regne sur le monde!!fac FUCK IT!!!au pire fuck le francais fuck langlais pis toute les langues on en invente une nouvelle que tout le monde va parler che tu mwe criss!!!yeah im a humanist prick so what??
oké, regarde, tu es un colonisé, tu n'es pas capable d'écrire 2 mots sans faire de faute ou utiliser le terme en anglais.
alors continu à boire de la bière en anglais, en pensant que c'est une peuve d'ouverture sur le monde alors que tu n'es ouvert que sur le Canada. c'est tellement une morale de perdant que c'est en triste.
@ElvisDumont capote pas la (je dis pas ça en mal) une langue c'est une langue et on devrait tous pouvoir accepter quelqu'un de chinois, espagnol ou peut importe. On est tous pareils juste qu'on a pas tous la même couleur de peau, de cheveux, de yeux et de LANGUES. Mais au fond on est tous des humains pas d'Accord sur les mêmes points et qu'on comprend jamais rien à la vie (c'est pour ça les guerres) alors je te vise pas ElvisDumont surtout pense pas ça.
@reversalstudio la langue ( francais ect..) es importante par ce que elle a une histoire et de nombreuse personne on défendu notre langue il y a environ 300 année il y avait plein de guerre comme la guerre de 7 ans ou la guerre de 100 ans qui a fait 1-2 million de mort tout sa a cause de la langue et aujourdui encore il faut défendre notre langue quelque se soit et aussi VIVE LE QUÉBEC LIBRE!
the thing is!!les nation states vont disparaitre any fucken way!!le new world order ca va finir par arriver peu importe combien de temps ca va prendre et ce eux quiont le pouvoir largent etc.lavenir de lhomme cest quoi??rester parque dans nos ptits coins pis continuer a avoir peur de tout ceux qui sont differents?jte dis pas que le canada est parfait!!toute facon ca sera pas long que les 300 milions damericans quon a au cul vont debarquer icitte!!fuck the borders free movement for all!!!
emm emm!!id like to let you guys know that im french canadian whatever it means lets say im a human being located in the northern hemisphere yay living in a city called montreal and that im not scared of englos who i actually enjoy the presence and that i am available for a night of debauchery that could include many different brands of alcohol some weed and maybe even shrooms if we feel completement bilingual mwaha!!STOP FIGHTING ILL KICK UR ASS !!!!lets party instead!!
ça pue l'humaniste niais ce commentaire, comme si la vie était faite de bière et de pot, et de référence insipide à l'hémisphère nord. la politique, c'est le pouvoir, le contrôlle et surtout, l'argent. et pour l'instant, c'est le Canada qui contrôlle le Québec. ça aucun rapport avec tes amis anglophones. c'est une question de pouvoir, d'argent et contrôle : est-ce qu'on veut être une minorité dépendante en attendant de disparaître?
et dit moi pas que je suis parano à propos de l'assimilation, regarde les chiffres! oh non j'oubliais, le gouvernement dépendantiste de Charest cache les chiffres pour qu'on pense que tout va bien! mais faut pas s'en faire, faut faire le party, et comme ça on laissera un pays encore plus amoché que maintenant à nos enfants, qui eux-même se batteront pour être servi en français et ainsi de suite, jusqu'à temps qu'on parle le franglais comme au NB...
la question est pourtant bien simple, c'est la dépendance ou l'indépendance, et pour moi la dépendance c'est pas une option. payer 50 milliards par année pour se faire dire qu'on est pauvre, c'est d'la marde. être une province anormale quand on pourrait être un pays normal, c'est d'la marde. la seule avenue, c'est l'indépendance, ou sinon c'est la mort du peuple québécois.
et en passant, "province" en latin ça veut dire pour les perdants. toutes les autres provinces du Canada ont perdu et capitulé, même au NB. il n'y a qu'ici au Québec où nous sommes les derniers résistants. faudrait arrêter de dire des conneries, le Canada occupe le Québec parce que ça lui est rentable. c'est pas une question de bons sentiments ou de multiculturalisme heureux : on se fait fourrer et il faut que ça cesse!
Actually, Quebec is not biligual at all so it is not the only biligual province in Canada.
everybody knows New Brunswick IS the only biligual province in Canada. And actually, we get along quite well now, you all need to chill out, living together is COMPLETELY possible.
If you don't like this message, then NEVER NEVER come to New Brunswick, for fear of seeing french and english having a good time together.
justement, le seul moyen d'unir le Canada c'est d'en sortir le Québec. pendant ce temps, tu te penses supérieur avec ta capacité à parler anglais sans te sentir colonisé. mais bon, si ça t'amuse...
p.s.: j'ai aussi des amis anglais, et ils sont pour l'indépendance. oh, et j'ai des amis immigrants aussi, et ils sont pour l'indépendance. alors ta morale de fond de ruelle et de perdant, tu sais quoi en faire...
@ElvisDumont get things straight dude!! I also have friends qui sont anglophone pis ils sont contre l'indépendance du Québec pis aussi j'ai des amis immigrants et le 95% d'eux sont contre l'indépendance du Québec aussi!! oh moi, j'ai oublié te dire que chui Québécois pis Canadien... oh pis mes mecs Québécois la plupart d'eux aiment le Canada aussi... alors... not everybody is freaking separatist like u dude! hehehehe... Vive notre pays le Canada et notre Québec!
@AcadieNow j'adore ton commentaire et je suis totalement d'accord avec toi. ^^ vive l'acadie et le Nouveau-Brunswick. j'aimerai bien visiter un jour. :) et ne t'inquiète pas. nous ne sommes pas tous comme lui.
the only province in Canada who is actually billingual is Quebec.we can speak/write english we wont close areself by speaking only francais. when we will separate ,we know that we live in NorthAmerica and 99% of it is english.BUT at home/schooland work(if we do not have to do buisness with anglos)we will speak french!and everyone will be happy and are relationship with the rest of the Canada will be way better than it is write now
Here is a good question that any Supporter of Quebec separation should keep in mind. Why is it that most of separatist hierarchy will often insist on making the children and themselves learn and study English? It is because English is the second most spoken language in the world, and it is the language of business. If Quebec was to separate and become primarily french, the french bigots of the lower class will become slaves to the English speaking separatist of the upper class.
why do you care? it's perfect for Canada economy if we are all in bankruptcy, seriously, why do you care? did Canada became humanist with Harper, did I miss something?
so, please, once again, shut up.
(you don't have to answer me why do you care, I don't, to be honest. so please shut up)
LOLLLLL wtf! Yea, speaking english is important, but what the fuck! We wouldn't stop teaching english because we separate from rest of Canada. I don't hate canada either, I just think it would be better for both of us to just... be apart. It's like a wedding that doesn't work you know... when you see that the relation is just a pain in the ass... cut it and divorce. doesn't mean you can't have good friendship relation afterward.
once again, you ignore what is it to have no state.
in Canada you need to speak english or french to get citizenship. In USA, you legaly need to speak english to get elect. what is so different with those example and Québec : we have no state. this very single difference explains all your hallucinations with oppression and segregation. that's it, or you are canadian living in Québec working for the canadian colonization.
When laws are formed to rule and limit education, trade, or freedom of expression then of course these laws are oppressive BY DEFINITION. Quebec does all this with English schools, trade of English products and with businesses.
Quebec set laws to limit the language spoken by immigrants, to control the language immigrants learned. This is forced assimilation.
The majority of Quebec has already decided(twice) that Quebec is to remain part of Canada. I don't understand your statement.
understanding is not requiered, I don't undertand either what is it to be canadian. but it doesn't matter, I visited this country a couple of time in the past and it's a beautiful country.
so, if Québec state made law to survive, it's oppresive, but the canadian colonialism in Québec is good and not "forced assimilation", give me a break...
yeah, they vote NO twice, with incredible and apocalyptic statement from the so-call federalists. and the second time, there was a massive fraud from the canadian government. so, independence is still a goal to achieve. why Canada could be independent from England and Québec could not? are we genetically enough stupid to not have a normal country?
Seemingly you are ignorant in terms of human rights, and politics but you even go a step further and demonstrate your ignorance in terms of science.
"Are we genetically enough stupid to not have a normal country?"
Firstly, intelligence is not completely genetic as far as science can tell. Intelligence is part of cognitive development.
As far as I can tell, Quebec cannot have a NORMAL country with the type of laws it sets up for oppression and segregation. This is what I've been saying.
THIRDLY, we did NOT vote "NO" twice, because the first referendum was phrased in a very backward and dishonest way.
"No" in the first referendum was FOR the separation of Quebec from Canada. It was a dishonest attempt at trying to confused the voters. The second referendum was phrased "No" for Quebec to not separating.
1st referendum: (yes) (no) for Quebec to Not separate.
2nd Referendum: (no) or (yes) for separation
Nonetheless, twice it was decided that Quebec is to remain part of Canada.
because you have no facts to back you up, except for 40-year old videos that somehow 'proves' that english are racist.
face it-- you're the racist. that's why you STILL have no response in regards to French Quebec's 400-year colonization and genocide of its aboriginal population.
last time the referendum was a fraud from the part of the Federal. Most of Quebecois decided it was not time to seperate yet, but one day we will. let me remind you that we gained 10% from the first referendum to the second. 40% yes on first 49.6% on second.
I entirely approve you. Canada is english, of course. and when Québec will be a normal country, you will be able to go back to official unilingualism.
I don't think Canada is English, and nor do I think Quebec is French. To suggest that Quebec is a French province is to be exceedingly ignorant.
The most spoken language in the world is Chinese(Cantonese, Mandarin) because of population growth of course. The second most spoken language is English. Not because English is being PUSHED but because the world is PULLING to learn English. Without rules or laws to limit the people, they pull to speak English. That is the fact.
Moreover, to force a language/culture on a population of people as it is being done in Quebec is immoral. It creates division and segregation of the in group. It is very distressing to say, but the "language police" is a very immoral and oppressive regime. Imagine if you will, using the same logic, they produced the "Ethnic Police". If you agree with the laws Quebec has on language/culture, then by the same logic you must also agree with the oppression by Islam occurring in the Middle East.
okay, try to work in spanish in China, try to be a Norway citizen, try to speak russian in United-States : good luck my friend.
you may think whatever you want about the so-call "language police", for us it's a tool, because we don't have a normal country like almost every other nation in the world. before gave us your statement about infinite love between each other, realize that you have your own state to protect you, to make law, and we don't. and we will.
"okay, try to work in spanish in China, try to be a Norway citizen, try to speak russian in United-States : good luck my friend."
This is a non-sequitur.
""language police", for us it's a tool"
It is a tool for oppressing it's populace. Such a laws system would be no different then a 'Culture Police' or an 'Ethnicity Police'. These would be immoral systems. You seem to take pride in oppressing and segregating people in your society. That is terribly repulsive.
Imagine if you will, Quebec has an influx of immigration allowing for a large majority of Islamic groups. Imagine if you will that these Islamic groups feel that Islam is a Quebec religion. Imagine if you will that laws are produced to "Protect" Islamic culture. Imagine "Religious Police". A system that does not allow for any other religion then Islam to have a predominant possession in Quebec.
This example shares ALL the same characteristics of the language laws.
@Gwisss I think you got it wrong, our law are you to protect our language, public english school still get financement from the goverment, the law only limit who has access to those public school, people are free to go to private english school has much has they want if they can pay for it.
If you want a real oppressive language law look at 1890 Manitoba School Act, which retired financement from French school, while the territory was mostly French before Métis were forced out of their land and massive english speaking migration was brough by the railway to live on their land.
@iniudan This is not the 1890's any more Iniudan. It is 2010 and Quebec is STILL trying to pass "language laws" that limit our choice of what schools we go to. Are you ignorant of the recent language bill? The Court ruled that Bill 104 did not respect minority-language guarantees in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. HOW can you tell me that I "got it wrong" in the face of all these issues and problems? Either you are ignorant or you are a bigot.
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@LuckyB1990 Well these passionate matters often tend to get that way so my appologies to you to. In the end it's all just words anyway; but let's still hope we get what we both want ;-)
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The French and the leftists that empower them in Canada have held Canada back and all but destroyed it!
MagnusAtheos1 3 weeks ago
@MagnusAtheos1 What kind of idiot redneck are you?
LuckyB1990 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 Well, I would expect such a biggoted statement.
MagnusAtheos1 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 The bilingualism garbage is costing Canada over $2 BILLION per year and has reduced the quality of service as people are often selected for jobs on language abilities alone. Unless you are born into a French speaking home, learning the language as an adult is not an easy task for most. But because a minority of elitists have been empowered in government, the minority in Canada is holding this once great country back. But I guess that makes me a redneck. LOL! Ok.
MagnusAtheos1 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 The bilingualism garbage is costing Canada over $2 BILLION per year and has reduced the quality of service as people are often selected for jobs on language abilities alone. Unless you are born into a French speaking home, learning the language as an adult is not an easy task for most. But because a minority of elitists have been empowered in government, the minority in Canada is holding this once great country back. But I guess that makes me a redneck. LOL! Ok.
MagnusAtheos1 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 You must also be a leftist since the typical response for a leftists is to call names and label people. LOL! Whatever works for you sunshine.
MagnusAtheos1 1 week ago
@MagnusAtheos1 Well...since this country is almost 1/4 french speaking and that it was established as a bilingual country. I find it very insulting that you don't care about it so much that you believe that we (the french speaking population) are holding Canada back...It would be unacceptable that in Quebec we have to give services in English, pay taxes for English schools when more than 90% of its population is french from birth if other provinces won't do the same on their side.
LuckyB1990 1 week ago
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@LuckyB1990 If you don't want Canada to be based on bilingualism anymore you will have to accept that Quebec will be French speaking and that all the rights that English speaking minorities have earned will be lost. It is either bilingualism for everyone or a 2 sided country with even more political and social issues. You're talking like if French language was spoken by 1% or something...
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@LuckyB1990 I repeat: Over 2 Billion a year spent because of the French. Remember the guy on the plane that sued because the stewardess didn't speak french? That is the latest of countless examples of the French causing havoc and stirring up hate in this country. Canada would have been much better off without Quebec and the whole French problem that plagues it like a cancer. Funny how Quebec doesn't have to be bilingual eh?
MagnusAtheos1 1 week ago
@MagnusAtheos1 Canada would have been better off without Quebec? What do you mean exactly? Like if it did not exist at all? Because we settled in Canada about 200 years before the English even came in...Or do you mean if Quebec and Canada were 2 different countries? Because if this is what you mean I totally agree with you on this one. And yes we do have to be bilingual (Not officially...but in fact we offer every provincial government service in English too).
LuckyB1990 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 Unfortunately the English allowed the French to stay after they defeated them so we are now stuck with Quebec. The only options now are to get rid of bilingualism which the leftists would never allow, or, separate. Unfortunately for Quebec, the Americans wouldn't want the headache, and I doubt Quebec could make it on it's own; but Canada would be better off! Quebecers know this which is why they only threaten separation. Besides, too many perks in sucking Canada's tit.
MagnusAtheos1 1 week ago
@MagnusAtheos1 They allowed the French to stay? Those people were established there for almost two centuries...You can't conquer a nation an ask thousands of people to just "leave". Americans did not tell mexicans to "leave" California...By the way I'm pretty sure Quebec could do it on its own. I don't see why it couldn't. If small countries such a Switzerland, Denmark, Iceland, etc can live on their own I don't see why Quebec couldn't.
LuckyB1990 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 Even without Canada, Quebec has a wealthy enough economy to be part of the G20. We receive money from other provinces such as Alberta or Newfoundland that's true...But we also send a lot to less fortunate provinces too like Yukon and Prince Edward Island...We can't capitalize all the oil we have because the Federal government does not allow us to do it at the price Alberta is doing it. Without all those boundaries we would do pretty well on our own.
LuckyB1990 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 We are not threatening to separate. We are trying for real...It's just that many elders brainwashed with fear of a supposed bankrupt still have the right to vote. The surveys about Quebec independence show that French speaking people under 40 years old are 68% in favor or Quebec separation. This, in a province where 80% is French from birth + a 10% of French speaking immigrants. I'm not saying that we will inevitably separate. But it's not like if we were only "threatening" to...
LuckyB1990 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 We can seem like a "plague" or a "cancer" to you. But we feel the same about you. I don't hate English Canadians and I don't think most of Quebecers hate them either. But I really don't believe we fit together in the same country. And since we are a minority in our "own country" (if I can say it is even our country) we have to fight for our rights. However I really don't care about the French speaking minorities outside of Quebec.
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@LuckyB1990 That's why I agree with you that the bilingualism all over Canada is absolutely not necessary. We can't force you to speak French just like you can't force us to speak English. You guys tried very hard in the pas and it did not succeed. We have a strong culture to resist such an outnumbering pressure from the outside and we won't give up. So if you don't want us as we are don't worry we will separate eventually. Maybe in 5 years, maybe in 50 but we will. It is very likely to happen.
LuckyB1990 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 Oh and last thing...I'm sorry this is getting a pretty long text. The Americans and headache thing...I don't get it. What do they have to do in Quebec separation. They don't care about it as long as they get the same buisness with the new country that they had with it when it was part of Canada. They would probably not mind it as long as we don't become some kind of dictatorship that allies with Russia or something like that. They usually support freedom of nations.
LuckyB1990 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 You mean become like the problem it is to Canada? I only mentioned it as an option for Quebec. But it isn't really an option because the Americans would never tolerate the BS that comes with Quebec. They see what a nightmare Quebec has been for Canada.
MagnusAtheos1 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 Hey! Vive le Quebec Libre LuckyB! I truly hope that someday we both have our own countries! You have the country of Quebec, and we have Canada. We can have our jobs back and be over 2 billion a year richer! We can get on with solving real problems and not be tied up with silly bilingualism issues. We both have the same goal, except let the separation be a TRUE separation. If you need my vote, I'll go over there long enough to cast my "Oui" ballot!
MagnusAtheos1 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 There's good and bad in everyone of course, but I totally agree that the both of us being in Canada is not a good thing. This is continuously proven by incidents like French athletes flying the Quebec flag instead of the Canadian flag, and jerks in airplanes suing because someone didn't speak French to them even though they perfectly understood Englinsh and got what they wanted in the end anyway. Quebecers often show their lack of reespect for Canada.
MagnusAtheos1 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 How can you be a minority in your own country when you don't recognise it as your country in the first place?
MagnusAtheos1 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 The elders are usually smarter than the youth as they have lived long enough to learn lifes lessons. That is why the youth typically, and foolishly vote for the socialist left. They don't know any better. Even I made that foolish mistake when i was in my teens and regretted it.
MagnusAtheos1 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 Cool. Then by all means please do it soon.
MagnusAtheos1 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 Established for two centuries? I think you are referring to the Indians. As far as the Americans and Mexicans go, I'll bet the Americans are regretting that too. At least the Americans are smart enough not to let the Mexicans jerk them around with bilingualism.
Well you are correct. Quebec probably could do it on it's own because the Canadian leftists would probably be stupid enough to help them out. We all know it would never be a true separation.
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@MagnusAtheos1 By the way I'm much more of a right-winged person than a leftist...Being a Redneck from the prairies and being on the right side in politics may be often linked but those are two different things that can come separetly
LuckyB1990 1 week ago
@LuckyB1990 Sure. Whatever.
MagnusAtheos1 1 week ago
Drôle de question au départ : « How do you think of French Canadians »? Il y a quelque chose de pathétique là-dedans : « Comment trouvez-vous les Canadiens français? » C'est aller à la recherche de remarques insignifiantes.
Le gars n'en côtoyait probablement pas ou très peu. 0:15
Pas besoin de savoir ce que les Papous, les Vermontois ou les Belges pensent de nous pour justifier l'avantage d'un Québec indépendant.
legato699 2 months ago
Ceci est une vidéo très vieux, mais je pense qu'il a démontré ainsi l'attitude des gens dans cette période. Parfois, je le crains, cependant, que beaucoup de mes compatriotes du Québec continue de penser que cela reflète la communauté anglophone Québécoise d'aujourd'hui, et ca ce n'est pas vrai. Nous, les jeunes anglophones au moins, ont vraiment beaucoup changé dans nos attitudes, tout en valorisant notre propre culture et son rôle dans notre Québec moderne.
Mehtaphorical 2 months ago
@Mehtaphorical La seule chose pour laquelle ont peut excuser mon peuple cest pour etre une gang de pas decider.
Qui te dit que moi la culture Québecoise jveux pas la garder? que je veux pas etre Québecois et non Canadien francais?
QCBEC 2 months ago
@QCBEC Je comprendre pas... quelle partie de qui a à voir avec ce que j'ai écrit?
Mehtaphorical 2 months ago
@Mehtaphorical Que tu pense que se que toi tu trouve bien, est bien pour tout le monde.
Va dire a harper d'arreter de nous faire chier avec cest osti de technique d'assimilation de marde, ca fait 400 ans vous esseillez pis sa marche pas.
En faite oui beaucoup de québecois ont renoncer a etre un Pays et a avoir leur propre culture dans l'ensemble d'un pays.
QCBEC 1 month ago
Makes me sad hearing some of those hillbillie's bigotry. I can't speak French but both of my kids are fully bilingual and are in full immersion at school.
timrs2001 6 months ago 2
@timrs2001 You are offering a bright future to those kids. Bilingualism creates more open-minded people :) I Congratulate you because that is exactly why a bilingual country is so interesting. I am so mad against my father that didn't spoke to me in English even though it was his first language (since I couldn't go to an English school because of Bill 101). I managed to learn myself but it is so much harder.
LaBellicosa 5 months ago
@Oblatron
I was just saying that if some foreign banks leave, there will be local ones very happy to take their clients. I very much doubt they will give them that pleasure however. The same goes to other businesses, it serves no one to abandon a market to your competitors.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Oblatron
Their headquarters did, indeed but they still hold a presence in the province. I wouldn't count much on their chances to remain here if they did leave following a secession.
We don't only have two banks, we also have la Banque Laurentienne, to name another one. I also very much doubt all the foreign banks would leave Québec after a secession, this much would be a disaster of a business move.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Oblatron
What you don't say is what companies left, such as Sun Life, came back crawling realising it made no sense to abandon a complete market to its competitors. There is nothing in the world that would please the Québécois banks such as Desjardins or la Nationale to have other banks leave and leave them free reign, for instance. But it won't happen, because it is silly to abandon an entire market for such petty reasons. Businessmen will remain businessmen.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Oblatron
Pretty sure that when it comes down to money, little language protectionnism matters very little. If a company implants itself in Germany, it is going to be run in German without it being an hindrance to profit. It is completely ridiculous to even claim otherwise but your clique is too stupid to aknowledge it. Companies will look at the talent of the workforce, its raw number and the taxes it will need to pay in order to decide where it is best suited to exist. Period.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Oblatron
That isn't true at all. It isn't a "human law" to have the unalienating rights to put whatever you want on a sign. What charter of human rights does this breach? The UN's? Nope. Canada's? Neither.
As much as the catholic church deserves a lot of credit for keeping the Québécois in the dark, it didn't help that the entire upper echelon of the workforce was english, that all businesses were run in this language. Changing that helped the average Québécois to improve his situation.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Oblatron
We've seen much worse 'tyranny' than making a language mandatory on signs, especially considering it does not stop the use of other languages on them. Before the law and regardless of the majority, most signs were in english only. Thankfully, the situation has seen been fixed and is now much more representative.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Oblatron
I'm not sure if you live in Québec or not but you certainly appear to not know much about Bill 101 and the "draconian ways" used to enforce it. What exactly strikes you as nazi-like in this language protection bill? That french is mandatory on commercial signs? That people must go through the french system of education? You're joking?
Hardly anything that drives the economy down. In fact, the average Québécois certainly is richer today than he was prior to the enactment of Bill 101.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Oblatron
Polls have shown support for sovereignty is stable even following the Bloc's defeat. Quite many sovereignists voted for another party, aiming for change. Perhaps there is a declining support, but it hasn't been very convincing so far and there is certainly no "clear indication" of that.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Oblatron
I disagree that anything similar is used as a "tactics" and if you insist on making such grotesque comparisons, just keep in mind that it is very easy to make some more of them.
You do understand what trolling is, as it isn't sticking to your belief and trying to mount proper arguments. Trolling isn't someone arguing something you happen to disagree with. You wouldn't understand, as you hardly have a clue what arguing entails and what facts represent.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Oblatron
No no, your "point" was to define nationalism with its most extreme representations. It is very easy to demonize everything this way, a lot of people use it to demonize religions for instance. What it leads to, is racism. Amusingly, you are probably stupid enough to believe you fight racism when you all you manage is contribute to it. The human race isn't a dichotomy of good and evil people, you would do well to understand that.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Oblatron
As you are someone that appears incapable of objectivity, of relativising, I very much doubt you are aware of what "being educated" means.
But continue to call me a nazi, those smart enough to see better certainly should realise I'm not the one making it my goal to spread hatred wherever I go.
You need help and I hope you find it.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Oblatron
Are insults all you can retort with when backed to a wall with your own vacuity of argument?
It takes a little man to compare Québec, its sovereignism movement or Bill 101 with nazism. It proves again that the Godwin Law reigns supreme amongst those who cannot properly defend their standpoint.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Oblatron We never wanted to kill all the anglos. We just wanted them to stop affiliating with our culture and political motives.
GreenBottleCap 8 months ago
@Oblatron Educate yourself on what a Nazi actually is and then come back.
GreenBottleCap 8 months ago
@MontrealHabs4Ever Propaganda works both ways. Nt all separatists hate all the english. I myself have many anglophone friends. The issue is that the strongest propaganda comes from the federal government, the one the majority of canadians (anglophones) identify with, and so even ordinary anglophones and also francophones in Québec r passively detrimental to our cause. That's also y pressures by francophones must b made to protect our own ideals; pressures often,unjustly, perceived as intolerance
Auggieautomne 9 months ago
Je demeure à Toronto mais je suis une anglophone née à Montréal et je parle parfaitement le français puisque j'ai été à l'école française. Je n'aime pas la théorie des 2 peuples fondateurs car elle oublie les PREMIÈRES NATIONS. Le gros problème au Canada est que les anglos ne connaissent pas et ne veulent pas connaître les francos et vice-versa. Les uns associent les autres à des stéréotypes faux. Tout le monde doit avoir plus d'ouverture sur les autres et oublier la généralization.
emscollins19 10 months ago 34
@emscollins19 premier commentaire intelligent et intelligible de cette page, merci.
aux autres qui parlent de nazisme: non mais ça va pas la démagogie...?!?
malo911 9 months ago
@emscollins19 Les premiere nations sont morte yon pu rien a revendiquer.
Si y veulent faire une révolution qui en font une i vont etre tirer un par un cest la vie cest cruel et des révolution PASSIVE cest un mensonge sa l'éxiste pas et cest rien comparer a une vrai révolution ou ya des mort
Parler cest facile, faire cest autre chose.
Meme chose pour moi mis mes droit sont en jeu jvais donner ma vie pour ma liberter pis si jmeurt jmourerais mais jaurais pas a endurer sa.
QCBEC 8 months ago
@emscollins19 Évidemment que les Français n'étaient pas les premiers, mais les indigènes du Canada sont en minorité, et il doit y avoir vraiment très peu d'indigènes "pure souche".
Je crois pour ma part que les Francophones sont les plus méritant.
hugodudes 8 months ago
@hugodudes "pure souche" alors les metis ne sont plus autochtone parce elles etaitent pris comme femme par les francais?
MsColdCanada 6 months ago
@MsColdCanada Bin, non. Je te parle de ceux qui n'ont jamais fait de "mélange".
hugodudes 6 months ago
@hugodudes T'es un melange d'idiot(e) avec racist(e).
MsColdCanada 6 months ago
@MsColdCanada J'ai juste parlé de statistiques, je ne suis pas raciste du tout ! C'est comme les Indiens d'amériques (USA). Beaucoup se déclarent "purs descendant d'amérindiens", alors qu'ils ne représentent même pas 1% de la population. Les "vrais" sont devenus très rare. J'ai juste fait un constat, j'ai pas dit que c'était bien ou mal !
hugodudes 6 months ago
@emscollins19 Euh non. Je n'ai jamais entendu ce discours venant des premières nations. En fait les premières nations du Québec s'en tirent plutôt bien dans leurs négociations avec le gouv du Québec parce que les discussions se font sur une base d'égal à égal, de nation à nation (voir Paix des Braves) .
J'ai plutôt l'impression que les fédéralistes essaient d'utiliser les premières nations pour faire oublier que le peuple canadien français, devenu québécois, est le peuple fondateur de ce pays.
MrPoilu 1 month ago
ce qui me fait le plus rire, par dessus les anglais stupides, c'est les francophones qui n'aiment pas le Québec et/ou qui n'aiment pas les souverainistes et qui aiment tant le Canada qui les détestent tant xD c'est genre des vieux pas trop vite avec un secondaire 2 A PEINE qui sont borné pis une gang de ptits moutons qui suivent un troupeau qui leur ment xD
gabfreak 11 months ago
Est ce que c'est vrai que les américains détestent les Canadiens??
lulanne 1 year ago
@sarkofric 20 000? S'il te plaît, partage-moi s'en au moins 3 qu'y valent la peine d'être considérées.
shitinice 1 year ago
C'était peut-être cinq, j'y allais de mémoire, mais ça fait bien plus que 10 ans de ça, ces gens seraient aujourd'hui à la retraite depuis longtemps.
Je ne suis pas contre des coupures additionnelles, cette fois dans la structure administrative. Le gouvernement et sa politique de remplacer un fonctionnaire sur deux lorsqu'ils partent à la retraite ne semble pas fonctionner, l'état n'a pas diminué. Je ne suis pas le plus gros fans de la puissance des syndicats dans le secteur public non plus.
Vineon 1 year ago
@Vineon 2 ?... je dirais plutôt 5 ans! La retraite à été abaissé à 55 ans au lieu de 60 et plus de 4000 médecins/infirmiers sont parti sur le coup. S'il fallait couper quelque part, ça serait bien dans les dépenses de ceux qui nous gouverne, des fraudes occasionnées surement plus souvent que l'on le pense et des milliers d'employés faisant parti du '' Club Med '' ( Personnes syndiquées qui se font payer à rien faire car leur métier est aujourd'hui inutile ou remplacer par un autre. ), Etc.
shitinice 1 year ago
Sérieusement, le Québec devenir indépendant? On est pas prêt pour ça. Premièrement, il faudrait que l'on paye notre dette (pfffff elle est loin d'être finie). Deuxièmement, le gouvernement est corrompu jusqu'à l'os... et franchement, je ne voudrais pas du PQ comme élu... Vous vous rappelez peut-être de ce que Pauline Marois a déja fait en tant que ministre de la santée : envoyer des médecins/infirmiés à la retraite car '' il fallait couper quelque part '' . On voit les conséquences aujourd'hui..
shitinice 1 year ago
@shitinice Classic!
HonoredAPTD 1 year ago
@shitinice
Minute capitaine.
Les départs à la retraite ciblaient des volontaires qui allaient de toute façon prendre leur retraite dans les deux ans. S'il y a eu conséquence au départ, il est inconcevable de prétendre qu'il y en a toujours aujourd'hui, plus d'une décennie plus tard.
Le but des départs à la retraite était d'atteindre pour la première fois en des décennies le déficit zéro, ce qui a été fait, justement pour ne pas alourdir notre dette.
Vineon 1 year ago
@shitinice
La politique du déficit zéro en est une du PQ qui a même légiféré pour rendre obligatoire des budgets sans déficits... c'est le PLQ qui a dérogé de cette voie.
Autre chose, rembourser notre dette, la réduire, est une chose. La 'clearer' avant de faire l'indépendance est cependant ridicule, il n'existe pas de pays sans dette nationale.
Vineon 1 year ago
@shitinice
Une erreur vaut mieux que les 20 000 du PLQ !!
sarkofric 1 year ago
Pauvre enfant?! Vous dîtes que la liberté est relative Vineon... Il a droit à sa propre vision, n'est-ce pas là, la notion de relativité? Je suis Canadien! Je suis québecois, je suis pour le rayonnement du Québec, sa progression sur le plan économique, etc... Je crois aussi que cela peut se faire au sein d'un canada uni. (AVEC Québec) Je suis libre en étant canadien, aucune de mes libertés civiques ou individuelles n'est brimées! Le Québec est une province, le Canada un pays composé de nations.
clap237 1 year ago
@clap237
Elle est relative parce la complète liberté n'existe pas. Nous sommes soumis à des règles, à des lois et des structures qui contreviennent à cette pleine liberté.
Le Québec n'est pas un pays indépendant et en conséquent ne possède pas les libertés qui reviennent à ceux-ci. Dans ce sens, le Québec n'est pas libre, à moins que l'on ne considère liberté celle de se faire imposer contre son gré. Mais vous êtes à l'aise avec ça puisque vous êtes 'Canadien'.
Vineon 1 year ago
@clap237
Vous êtes Canadien, grand bien vous fasse, ça n'a jamais rien voulu dire pour moi. Comme vous reconnaissez l'existence de nations (au pluriel d'ailleurs, c'est intéressant, accordez-vous le statut de nation à ceux qui ne le revendiquent même pas?) à l'intérieur de ce Canada, vous devez reconnaître qu'elles n'ont pas les libertés inhérentes à un pays.
Vineon 1 year ago
c,est drôle..pour les séparatistes, quand on n'est pas d'accord avec les mensonges et la propagande des séparatistes, on est un colonisé, traitre, ou pire encone. Désolé, mais il y en a qui lisent l'histoire et qui regarde autour et qui réalisent que les slogans tels- vive le québec libre, plus à genou etc...sont vides de sens.. ON EST LIBRE DÉJÀ -crissss!!!! Essayez de me prouver le contraire
JeanDupays1 1 year ago
@JeanDupays1
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La liberté est relative, pauvre enfant, le Québec, une province, n'a pas la liberté d'agir qu'aurait un pays.
Le Québec est-il libre de signer ses propres traités internationaux, selon ses meilleurs intérêts?
Le Québec est-il libre de faire sa complète promotion à l'international? A-t-il liberté de parole lors des sommets internationaux?
Est-il libre de dépenser toutes ses taxes selon sa réalité propre, ses buts?
Vineon 1 year ago
I have no idea what you said!. English only!
kellystone84 1 year ago
@jerminito
excellento! what 5 languages do you speak?
kellystone84 1 year ago
@jerminito
All i care about is the here and now. And english is the now!
kellystone84 1 year ago
Voir devant, c'est cessez de considéré les anglais comme les méchants. Parce que l'histoire c'est une question de perception. Ni les anglais, ni les français ne sont les méchants. Ne dites pas ce que je n'ai pas dit. Il ne faut PAS abandonner notre culture et notre langue!! Je suis simplement pas d'accord sur les façons d'y arriver. Démoniser le Canada Anglais et l'Angleterre, c'est pas la bonne solution. Conserver notre culture et notre langue, OUI :D mais combattre l'ennemi non! Quel ennemi?
clap237 1 year ago
... Un conflit vieux comme le monde... Je suis fédéraliste, je suis Canadien et fier. Je suis francophone de naissance, j'habite en plein coeur du Québec. Pourtant, j'associe ma patrie à cet emblème du Parlement, nous avons peut-être la mémoire courte cher confrères, mais ce n'est pas l'Angleterre qui nous as trahi, ni le Canada. Ce sont les français! Bien sur, notre province a été l'hôte d'atrocité innommable, mais il faut voir devant.
clap237 1 year ago
@clap237 ..ok pis c'est sensé vouloir dire quoi ca ? Que c'est les Français les méchants et les Anglais les Gentils ? Que vous n'êtes ni Français ni Anglais ni rien du tout ?
Et puis c'est vraiment ce que vous apprenez à l'école ca ? Que les Français sont des traitres ?
Donc voir de l'avant c'est quoi ? Se fermer complètement à la francophonie? laissez vôtre culture mourir sous la pression des anglosaxons qui n'ont aucune espèce de considération pour elle?
Pourtant nous on vous aime !!!
Miniboulette 1 year ago
@clap237 Moi, j'aime ton commentaire, chui Québécois pis Canadien aussi.. comme tu bien sais y'a d maudits separatistes qui ne savent ni connaissent la realité québécoise... ils parlent trop de quoi??? de rien! alors... il faut rester ensemble avec notre pays en gardant notre culture pis notre langue!
ispyonu20 1 year ago 2
@ispyonu20
Ils parlent de rien, vous dites.
Disons que la sémantique du vide est davantage quelque chose qui vous est propre. Quelle est donc cette réalité Québécoise que les souverainistes ne semblent pas intéressés à connaître?
Vineon 1 year ago
Votre unlilinguisme vous frustre, kellystone?
Vineon 1 year ago
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english is the only language that matters. All others will be abolished some day (hopefully sooner than later)
kellystone84 1 year ago
@kellystone84 Funny... But from the IOC to the UN, the langage used in last resort is always French, because that langage is much more precise, clear, accurate than any other langages. It was create for that! Its not only a question of vocabulary but also a question of grammatical structure of the sentences. They tried to translate in English Simone de Beauvoir, for exemple, but its impossible. You miss everything with the English version, even in the 2009 version of "The second sex"...
NFL9475 1 year ago
@NFL9475
English is the world language. Its always will be.
kellystone84 1 year ago
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karimbero 1 year ago
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karimbero 1 year ago
If Ontario had a leader like Levesque I would vote for him.
Italia311 1 year ago
old news..
ask what quebecors think of anglophones.. purely ignorance on both sides.
there are only a small portion of us who have the sense/knowledge that all people are good/different.
syeshasucks 1 year ago
They look like nazis.
armajab 1 year ago
Ce genre de témoignage est utile pour se souvenir. Mais si les canadiens entre-eux, les wallons et les flamands ne peuvent parvenir à la paix, que penser d'Israël et de la Palestine. Et si on se disait qu'on veut juste élever nos enfants dans la paix, si arrêtait ces haines idiotes créées uniquement pour le pouvoir de quelques familles qui nous bouffent la laine sur le dos?
philipchek 1 year ago
Résistons.
KEBEKWA247 1 year ago
Selon moi, le Québec devrez être un pays pour que justement, on défendes nos intérêt et pas seux des Canadiens. Qu'ils arrêtes un peu de piquer notre blé.
Nous n'avons rien en commun sauf bien sur, le fait que tout les deux pendant longtemps, on se battais pour la démocratie, maitenant... Je ne vois que des problèmes économiques.
ThaBeAsTiZbAck 1 year ago
die Engländer sind sie meist einsprachig und sehr falsch informiert.
ManOWar2Red 2 years ago 2
@the absolutetruth
are you racist, intolerant or ignorant?
try to evolve
teelouwi 2 years ago
comment dire? qu'est-ce qu'on en a foutre de ce qu'il est... ça ne vaut juste pas la peine de perdre son temps avec des gens comme ça.
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
Don't mind my other ignorant English speaking citizens.
I like Quebec and I respect the French and Quebecois people.
gundamWWW 1 year ago 30
@gundamWWW Well americans are the only english people that do respect us. We helped you in your revolution and you tried to help us. Many of you and us still remember it. I would prefer to be a USA state rather than stuck into a british colony full of ignorant haters. Yes, it's mostly the English Canada that I know and that I have seen when I got out of Québec. My life was threaten at some point just for being Canadien, French.
ManOWar2Red 7 months ago
@teelouwi
hahaha...free quebec from french nazi's...
1778owen 11 months ago
@1778owen wtf with the Nazis xD what a fail noob :P
gabfreak 11 months ago
@gabfreak
National socialist is long for nazi...the independence establishment in Quebec is a National Socialist order...c'mon pretty clear its been admited by the P,Q. etc...its a con job on the Quebecois but at the working class Anglo expense...simple...always look for the deeper meaning...look real close
1778owen 11 months ago
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speak white you dirty, disgusting french fuck frogs lol
theabsolutetruth 2 years ago
@theabsolutetruth
hahaha sorry friend......old time are gone
si t es pas heureux, cherche la corde....
quoi? tu me comprend pas? ok fuckk off
AmaoNoBolso 1 year ago 2
@theabsolutetruth are you so jealous ? or are you an idiot ? english ? shit what a disgusting language
foncleaa 1 year ago
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Fuck Quebec
theabsolutetruth 2 years ago
On aurait pas à s'imposer, à défendre notre culture si on la ferrai vivre... Ben, oui on est francophone.... Et pis après!!! Ça nous donne pas le droit de rien !! On patauge dans un débat qui fini plus... Aie! Québécois vous êtes qui, vous êtes quoi!!! Un brin d'histoire, seulement?? Vivez dont ensemble, en communauté, en famille avant de critiquer et de revandiquer quoique ce soit.... D'Accord!! D'Accord!!
pilllise 2 years ago
Si vous insinuez quelque chose dans votre "critique", faites le donc clairement pour que tout le monde comprenne bien.
Assez paradoxal d'ailleurs que vous demandez aux autres de cesser de critiquer.
Vineon 2 years ago
Hahaha!! Why we speak! Parce que l'homme se comprend pas lui-même alors comment comprendre ses semblables ?? Je vous le demande! Et oui, parfois il s'est ce qu'il est, il trouve une place dans la vie et bon, tout ce qu'il trouve à faire c'est l'imposer à quelqu'un d'autre qui n'en est pas là!
pilllise 2 years ago
Les anglophones prétendent qu'on doit parler anglais car c'est la langue majoritaire en Amérique. Vraiment? Je vais parler la langue majoritaire en Amérique alors:
Su arrogancia les permitirá jamas reconocerlo pero los anglófonos viven en un océano de hispanohablantes. Se piensan superior al mundo entero y son totalmente cerrados de espíritus. ¿Pero para qué son buenos exactamente? Aparte crear el caos, ellos no puede hacer grande cosa de válido
xMazingerZ 2 years ago 14
Voyez comme on a toujours été traités. Ne croyez-vous pas qu'il serait temps d'être moins accomodants et cesser de leur parler en anglais chez nous au Québec? Ils ne nous respecteront pas plus pour ça.
Au lieu de ça, les Qc de nos jours sont incapables d'écrire une phrase sans employer la moitié des mots en anglais et virent en anglais dès qu'il y a un anglophone même dans un groupe de 500 francophones.
Il serait temps de mettre nos culottes une fois pour toute esti
xMazingerZ 2 years ago 2
Nice shot, xMazingerZ!
follepourchevaux 2 years ago
@xMazingerZ tout a fait daccord :)
pendex14 11 months ago
voila la preuve que le cannada devrai sappeller kkkanada
westmath 2 years ago
on devrait commencer a apprendre le mandarin pis larabe au plus criss si tu veux mon avis!!
reversalstudio 2 years ago
dici 50 ans la majorite dla population au canada sera pu de descendance anglaise francaise irlandaise ou ecossaise mais chinoise arabe latino!!pis on peu pas renverser ca!!on est 7 m,illiards bordel!!ce pas une tite ligne imaginaire qui va garder le monde ensemble dans leur coin!!mais bon si ya un referendum jai toujours dit jvoterais oui anyway!!chu pas contre ce juste que jai pu dillusions trop trop jmattend deja au pire!!
reversalstudio 2 years ago
Hahaha!! Ostie de calisse! Je lisais ces paroles et j'me disais... HUm! Ca resemble a Derf ca!!! hahaha!! BEn Calisse c'est lui! Trop drôle!
pilllise 2 years ago
si la terre sunifie pas en un tout une seule entite cest lannihilation qui nous attend anyway!!aaa un quebec libre ca va etre beau la republique!!dici 50 ans y va rester quoi pour etre fier??UN PUTAIN DE CHAMP DE RUINES!!on est juste mal tombe dans le temps 200 ans avant on aurait eu le temps!!bientot canadien quebecois americains mexicain ca voudra pu rien dire juste dou tu viens!!ca fait juste commencer les refugier climatique sen vienne!!250 000 immigrants au canada juste cet annee!!
reversalstudio 2 years ago
jme pense pas superieur parce que jparle anglais pis jvois pas pourkoi tout le monde capote avec lasti de langue!!pis chu pas colonise parce que jen ai crissement rien a chier non plus!!lcrois pas aux races pis a la division jpense juste que ca a ete fait expres pour que lelite regne sur le monde!!fac FUCK IT!!!au pire fuck le francais fuck langlais pis toute les langues on en invente une nouvelle que tout le monde va parler che tu mwe criss!!!yeah im a humanist prick so what??
reversalstudio 2 years ago
oké, regarde, tu es un colonisé, tu n'es pas capable d'écrire 2 mots sans faire de faute ou utiliser le terme en anglais.
alors continu à boire de la bière en anglais, en pensant que c'est une peuve d'ouverture sur le monde alors que tu n'es ouvert que sur le Canada. c'est tellement une morale de perdant que c'est en triste.
ElvisDumont 2 years ago 10
@ElvisDumont capote pas la (je dis pas ça en mal) une langue c'est une langue et on devrait tous pouvoir accepter quelqu'un de chinois, espagnol ou peut importe. On est tous pareils juste qu'on a pas tous la même couleur de peau, de cheveux, de yeux et de LANGUES. Mais au fond on est tous des humains pas d'Accord sur les mêmes points et qu'on comprend jamais rien à la vie (c'est pour ça les guerres) alors je te vise pas ElvisDumont surtout pense pas ça.
tunderalex 1 year ago
@reversalstudio la langue ( francais ect..) es importante par ce que elle a une histoire et de nombreuse personne on défendu notre langue il y a environ 300 année il y avait plein de guerre comme la guerre de 7 ans ou la guerre de 100 ans qui a fait 1-2 million de mort tout sa a cause de la langue et aujourdui encore il faut défendre notre langue quelque se soit et aussi VIVE LE QUÉBEC LIBRE!
zacodaco1234 1 year ago
the thing is!!les nation states vont disparaitre any fucken way!!le new world order ca va finir par arriver peu importe combien de temps ca va prendre et ce eux quiont le pouvoir largent etc.lavenir de lhomme cest quoi??rester parque dans nos ptits coins pis continuer a avoir peur de tout ceux qui sont differents?jte dis pas que le canada est parfait!!toute facon ca sera pas long que les 300 milions damericans quon a au cul vont debarquer icitte!!fuck the borders free movement for all!!!
reversalstudio 2 years ago
emm emm!!id like to let you guys know that im french canadian whatever it means lets say im a human being located in the northern hemisphere yay living in a city called montreal and that im not scared of englos who i actually enjoy the presence and that i am available for a night of debauchery that could include many different brands of alcohol some weed and maybe even shrooms if we feel completement bilingual mwaha!!STOP FIGHTING ILL KICK UR ASS !!!!lets party instead!!
reversalstudio 2 years ago
ça pue l'humaniste niais ce commentaire, comme si la vie était faite de bière et de pot, et de référence insipide à l'hémisphère nord. la politique, c'est le pouvoir, le contrôlle et surtout, l'argent. et pour l'instant, c'est le Canada qui contrôlle le Québec. ça aucun rapport avec tes amis anglophones. c'est une question de pouvoir, d'argent et contrôle : est-ce qu'on veut être une minorité dépendante en attendant de disparaître?
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
et dit moi pas que je suis parano à propos de l'assimilation, regarde les chiffres! oh non j'oubliais, le gouvernement dépendantiste de Charest cache les chiffres pour qu'on pense que tout va bien! mais faut pas s'en faire, faut faire le party, et comme ça on laissera un pays encore plus amoché que maintenant à nos enfants, qui eux-même se batteront pour être servi en français et ainsi de suite, jusqu'à temps qu'on parle le franglais comme au NB...
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
la question est pourtant bien simple, c'est la dépendance ou l'indépendance, et pour moi la dépendance c'est pas une option. payer 50 milliards par année pour se faire dire qu'on est pauvre, c'est d'la marde. être une province anormale quand on pourrait être un pays normal, c'est d'la marde. la seule avenue, c'est l'indépendance, ou sinon c'est la mort du peuple québécois.
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
et en passant, "province" en latin ça veut dire pour les perdants. toutes les autres provinces du Canada ont perdu et capitulé, même au NB. il n'y a qu'ici au Québec où nous sommes les derniers résistants. faudrait arrêter de dire des conneries, le Canada occupe le Québec parce que ça lui est rentable. c'est pas une question de bons sentiments ou de multiculturalisme heureux : on se fait fourrer et il faut que ça cesse!
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
Actually, Quebec is not biligual at all so it is not the only biligual province in Canada.
everybody knows New Brunswick IS the only biligual province in Canada. And actually, we get along quite well now, you all need to chill out, living together is COMPLETELY possible.
If you don't like this message, then NEVER NEVER come to New Brunswick, for fear of seeing french and english having a good time together.
Vive la famille canadienne au grand complet!
AcadieNow 2 years ago 7
justement, le seul moyen d'unir le Canada c'est d'en sortir le Québec. pendant ce temps, tu te penses supérieur avec ta capacité à parler anglais sans te sentir colonisé. mais bon, si ça t'amuse...
p.s.: j'ai aussi des amis anglais, et ils sont pour l'indépendance. oh, et j'ai des amis immigrants aussi, et ils sont pour l'indépendance. alors ta morale de fond de ruelle et de perdant, tu sais quoi en faire...
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
@ElvisDumont get things straight dude!! I also have friends qui sont anglophone pis ils sont contre l'indépendance du Québec pis aussi j'ai des amis immigrants et le 95% d'eux sont contre l'indépendance du Québec aussi!! oh moi, j'ai oublié te dire que chui Québécois pis Canadien... oh pis mes mecs Québécois la plupart d'eux aiment le Canada aussi... alors... not everybody is freaking separatist like u dude! hehehehe... Vive notre pays le Canada et notre Québec!
ispyonu20 1 year ago
@AcadieNow j'adore ton commentaire :) je suis totalement d'accord avec toi. vive l'acadie! ^^ et moi je suis québécoise.
Infinitygirl28 1 year ago
@AcadieNow j'adore ton commentaire et je suis totalement d'accord avec toi. ^^ vive l'acadie et le Nouveau-Brunswick. j'aimerai bien visiter un jour. :) et ne t'inquiète pas. nous ne sommes pas tous comme lui.
Infinitygirl28 1 year ago
@AcadieNow WoOoOoOoT ! ! ! ! ! ! !
vGbaraka 1 year ago
the only province in Canada who is actually billingual is Quebec.we can speak/write english we wont close areself by speaking only francais. when we will separate ,we know that we live in NorthAmerica and 99% of it is english.BUT at home/schooland work(if we do not have to do buisness with anglos)we will speak french!and everyone will be happy and are relationship with the rest of the Canada will be way better than it is write now
we are not driven by hate but by pride and love
ddboris 2 years ago
Here is a good question that any Supporter of Quebec separation should keep in mind. Why is it that most of separatist hierarchy will often insist on making the children and themselves learn and study English? It is because English is the second most spoken language in the world, and it is the language of business. If Quebec was to separate and become primarily french, the french bigots of the lower class will become slaves to the English speaking separatist of the upper class.
Gwisss 2 years ago
why do you care? it's perfect for Canada economy if we are all in bankruptcy, seriously, why do you care? did Canada became humanist with Harper, did I miss something?
so, please, once again, shut up.
(you don't have to answer me why do you care, I don't, to be honest. so please shut up)
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
LOLLLLL wtf! Yea, speaking english is important, but what the fuck! We wouldn't stop teaching english because we separate from rest of Canada. I don't hate canada either, I just think it would be better for both of us to just... be apart. It's like a wedding that doesn't work you know... when you see that the relation is just a pain in the ass... cut it and divorce. doesn't mean you can't have good friendship relation afterward.
Sakalthor 2 years ago 3
once again, you ignore what is it to have no state.
in Canada you need to speak english or french to get citizenship. In USA, you legaly need to speak english to get elect. what is so different with those example and Québec : we have no state. this very single difference explains all your hallucinations with oppression and segregation. that's it, or you are canadian living in Québec working for the canadian colonization.
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
When laws are formed to rule and limit education, trade, or freedom of expression then of course these laws are oppressive BY DEFINITION. Quebec does all this with English schools, trade of English products and with businesses.
Quebec set laws to limit the language spoken by immigrants, to control the language immigrants learned. This is forced assimilation.
The majority of Quebec has already decided(twice) that Quebec is to remain part of Canada. I don't understand your statement.
Gwisss 2 years ago
understanding is not requiered, I don't undertand either what is it to be canadian. but it doesn't matter, I visited this country a couple of time in the past and it's a beautiful country.
so, if Québec state made law to survive, it's oppresive, but the canadian colonialism in Québec is good and not "forced assimilation", give me a break...
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
yeah, they vote NO twice, with incredible and apocalyptic statement from the so-call federalists. and the second time, there was a massive fraud from the canadian government. so, independence is still a goal to achieve. why Canada could be independent from England and Québec could not? are we genetically enough stupid to not have a normal country?
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
and by the way, 85% of the money for the Canada day is spend in Québec, isn't it colonialism?
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
Quebec is part of Canada, Quebec is a province of Canada. People voted to keep Quebec apart of Canada not just once, but twice.
Quebec is dominantly federalist.
If this is your BEST argument for the overt oppression and segregation of people in Quebec, then you are by far a very ignorant uneducated bigot.
Gwisss 2 years ago
Seemingly you are ignorant in terms of human rights, and politics but you even go a step further and demonstrate your ignorance in terms of science.
"Are we genetically enough stupid to not have a normal country?"
Firstly, intelligence is not completely genetic as far as science can tell. Intelligence is part of cognitive development.
As far as I can tell, Quebec cannot have a NORMAL country with the type of laws it sets up for oppression and segregation. This is what I've been saying.
Gwisss 2 years ago
THIRDLY, we did NOT vote "NO" twice, because the first referendum was phrased in a very backward and dishonest way.
"No" in the first referendum was FOR the separation of Quebec from Canada. It was a dishonest attempt at trying to confused the voters. The second referendum was phrased "No" for Quebec to not separating.
1st referendum: (yes) (no) for Quebec to Not separate.
2nd Referendum: (no) or (yes) for separation
Nonetheless, twice it was decided that Quebec is to remain part of Canada.
Gwisss 2 years ago
please, shut up. you glorify colonialism when you write, that's ridiculus.
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
ha ha! that's your response to everything.
because you have no facts to back you up, except for 40-year old videos that somehow 'proves' that english are racist.
face it-- you're the racist. that's why you STILL have no response in regards to French Quebec's 400-year colonization and genocide of its aboriginal population.
lornstar6 2 years ago
you're so right... oh and by the way, the reservation was created by the government of Canada.
I suppose this made me a racism too?
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
last time the referendum was a fraud from the part of the Federal. Most of Quebecois decided it was not time to seperate yet, but one day we will. let me remind you that we gained 10% from the first referendum to the second. 40% yes on first 49.6% on second.
Sakalthor 2 years ago
And now it's way lower you moron. I hope Quebec separates and becomes a third world country
jstavro316 2 years ago
Je donne pas cher du canada quand le Québec n'y sera plus ...
try0003 2 years ago 8
CANADA IS ENGLISH, Trudeau should have not this country bilingual, but unilingual ENGLISH
tackorgybe 2 years ago
I entirely approve you. Canada is english, of course. and when Québec will be a normal country, you will be able to go back to official unilingualism.
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
I don't think Canada is English, and nor do I think Quebec is French. To suggest that Quebec is a French province is to be exceedingly ignorant.
The most spoken language in the world is Chinese(Cantonese, Mandarin) because of population growth of course. The second most spoken language is English. Not because English is being PUSHED but because the world is PULLING to learn English. Without rules or laws to limit the people, they pull to speak English. That is the fact.
Gwisss 2 years ago
Moreover, to force a language/culture on a population of people as it is being done in Quebec is immoral. It creates division and segregation of the in group. It is very distressing to say, but the "language police" is a very immoral and oppressive regime. Imagine if you will, using the same logic, they produced the "Ethnic Police". If you agree with the laws Quebec has on language/culture, then by the same logic you must also agree with the oppression by Islam occurring in the Middle East.
Gwisss 2 years ago
okay, try to work in spanish in China, try to be a Norway citizen, try to speak russian in United-States : good luck my friend.
you may think whatever you want about the so-call "language police", for us it's a tool, because we don't have a normal country like almost every other nation in the world. before gave us your statement about infinite love between each other, realize that you have your own state to protect you, to make law, and we don't. and we will.
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
"okay, try to work in spanish in China, try to be a Norway citizen, try to speak russian in United-States : good luck my friend."
This is a non-sequitur.
""language police", for us it's a tool"
It is a tool for oppressing it's populace. Such a laws system would be no different then a 'Culture Police' or an 'Ethnicity Police'. These would be immoral systems. You seem to take pride in oppressing and segregating people in your society. That is terribly repulsive.
Gwisss 2 years ago
Imagine if you will, Quebec has an influx of immigration allowing for a large majority of Islamic groups. Imagine if you will that these Islamic groups feel that Islam is a Quebec religion. Imagine if you will that laws are produced to "Protect" Islamic culture. Imagine "Religious Police". A system that does not allow for any other religion then Islam to have a predominant possession in Quebec.
This example shares ALL the same characteristics of the language laws.
Does that not distress you?
Gwisss 2 years ago
what distress me, is colonialism disguised in humanism.
ElvisDumont 2 years ago
@Gwisss I think you got it wrong, our law are you to protect our language, public english school still get financement from the goverment, the law only limit who has access to those public school, people are free to go to private english school has much has they want if they can pay for it.
iniudan 1 year ago
@continuing
If you want a real oppressive language law look at 1890 Manitoba School Act, which retired financement from French school, while the territory was mostly French before Métis were forced out of their land and massive english speaking migration was brough by the railway to live on their land.
iniudan 1 year ago
@iniudan This is not the 1890's any more Iniudan. It is 2010 and Quebec is STILL trying to pass "language laws" that limit our choice of what schools we go to. Are you ignorant of the recent language bill? The Court ruled that Bill 104 did not respect minority-language guarantees in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. HOW can you tell me that I "got it wrong" in the face of all these issues and problems? Either you are ignorant or you are a bigot.