What if you use pendulums with a magnet attached to influence the balls downwards on the right and upwards on the left ? The magnets have to be weak enough to allow the pendulums to swing in the opposite direction.
your machine will won't work no matter how much bigger you make it, because although you get greater leverage from the larger wheel it is conter acted by the marbles in the inner wheel and there will always be more on the inner wheel than the outer wheel and it can easily be proved mathimaticaly.
10/10 for effort and 10/10 for your next attempt and your next. But if you're going to put this much time and effort into something to acheive a positive result, why not take up another hobby where you might actually acheive the outcome you are aiming for, say painting or photography. Hear (spelt like that for a reason) is why this model is not going to work no matter how much you tinker with it. If you can hear it, you are loosing energy, and you can hear it! Give it some thought! good luck.
well, people here are pretty negative... perpetual motion can happen, it already does happen, and people make machine to do it, for example, in the 1400s, da vinci studied the overbalanced wheel, made by a theorist before then! and that works! and it is incredibly easy! now.... go away depressing pessimistic mesanthropic little bastards..
Making it bigger wouldn't achieve anything. Yes, you're increasing the output of energy when it is going down, but you are also increasing the energy needed for the opposite side to rise. If it's not working now, making bigger won't achieve anything.
STOP WASTING YOUR TIME... It will never work or happen, in theory yes it may.. but what about all the friction of the wheel?? wind resistance?? and even if you manage to make it run.. when you attach a generator to it.. it will slow down.. so no it will not work..
I think the area you're going wrong is that you're forgetting energy isn't just being "created" (albeit created may be the wrong word) but is also being used to carry the ball up. Plus, since there will be air resistance, and sound.... some energy is sure to be wasted.
Therefore it's impossible.
Cool machine you've made there though - just needs an electric motor!
just the fact that it makes a sound means energy is being wasted - all you need is one physics lesson to save you from wasting your life trying to make this work
For those who stone this guy, you did not watch carefully till the end of this video!!! The key to this perpetual motion machine is actually the flower of life... he will explain it at the end !!! :))))))))))))))
hey man i would say: try to make it release the ball in the inner wheel earlier therefore leaving more weight and more time for the outer ball to "pull" down the machine i have no doubt in my mind that it will work. because then it will be much heavier for that longer amount of time and possibly you could get more than one ball on the outer wheel giving it a huge weight advantage with possible speed increase.
you're waaaisting your time, you need at least the same amount of Energy to lift the balls as they can produce by pushing down the wheel. So you can just leave them out ...
I think you should just attack a motor to it and call it a marble coaster... Because what you are trying to do is physically impossible. Look up basic phyiscs of a leaver.
there is many problems with perpetual motion devices like friction but the other one that makes this wheel work a little also makes it not work: gravity. if gravity pulls the object down it's only completely logical that it's pulling everything else going up downwards as well!
@DanielBrown89 That's not what perpetual motion is. This is using the electromagnetic waves in the air for free energy, which is okay, since it's basicly wasted anyway.
Perpetual motion describes a system which moves on its own, without outside influences. Planets orbiting a star seem like a form of it, though they're not 'perpetual' either. They just take longer to slow down due to the large mass. If there's any loss of energy (friction etc.), perpetual motion is impossible.
You CANNOT create perpetual motion. Although I give credit for trying, more people need to try things. but seriously, read anything on thermodynamics or go email Michio Kaku. As a designer though, it looks nice :)
@iwkya1 its not impossible. im an engineering student so im the first to agree with you about creating a perpetual motion machine defying the saws of thermodynamics and what not. but anything is possible in the world of physics and mathematics its all probability. But mathematical and physical laws are always changing and being redefined and who knows in 500 yrs our kids may look down to us from the future and laugh at the fact we thought a "perpetual motion machine" was impossible(flat world)
perpetual motion is impossible the only way to get close would be at zero gravity, zero degrees calvin, in a vaccum with no photons or any form of radiation which is impossible and if it was it would be useless because you couldn't take energy out
@cammanhey People claim the only way to create perpetual motion is in a closed environment. And the only existent one is our entire environment. If the big bang theory is correct there already is perpetual motion and we reap the benefits of it every day.
The formula for the difference in potential energy in a gravitational field is dP = m x g x dh, where dh is the difference in height a particle of mass m has been raised. Anything you gain from one ball dropping, you lose having to raise the other. It doesn't matter how complicated you make it, once friction comes into play, it'll never work. Some friendlily advice, forget about this and put your wood working skills to a better project.
People will never give up, but there is no such thing as perpetual motion.These machines always need "help" or stop after a short while.By the way, I'm currently selling acreage on the floor of the Pacific ocean.CHEAP.
How about a plate, coated with magents, repelled by magnets on a platet below, so it hovers. Then place that in a conainer and remove all of the air. Finally spin the disk.
There would be no friction from air or bearings. Wouldnt that be perpetual motion? (thouh it could never be used to create energy, it just wouldnt lose energy given to it)
@danagol1985 Yes you are correct, with a frictionless bearing in a perfect vacuum, once turning would remain that way (Newton's first law of dynamics). And like you say there would be zero energy transferred. In practice however, you could never get a perfect vacuum. There have been systems created which turn for years but apart from proving a well known theory it comes down to nothing more than a nice display piece.
I have interest of course but this is an open forum. My comments are nothing more than stimuli for research data. I have posted in other areas with the same results across the board. However, I am serious about checking out "davcroy" awesome functioning art.
Thanks to you viruses of the social pandemic, my paper is near completion as the semester draws to a close. I'm sure your derogatory demeanor will persist as I quietly earn my "A".
Peace, Love, common courtesy and mutual respect, is it gone
jeff, i don't care, i am doing research for a psych paper. the interaction between people; face to face interaction vs. anonymity of the internet. People who post in disagreement do so in a very aggressive, mean spirited manner. seldom is there ever any positive feedback but rude "playground" comments with name calling and derogative statements. Most people would not respond the same way in a face to face encounter. thus my comments are to elicit feedback not to make a scientific point.
I think that is ust like in a bycicle: you need more energy to paddle when the chain is in the inner gear than in the outer one, and due you have the same number of balls in the inner wheel than in the outer one, it's never gonna work. Maybe adding a magnet on the bottom of the bigger wheel so when the balls roll there, they'll be atracted by the magnet, adding strenght to the gravity.
the whole point of the perpetual wheel is NOT the wheel but the effort, the endeavor. It is not necessarily trying to defy physics but trying to select the right material with the correct design to create a gravity wheel within the laws of physics.
It is not "bad readers of science" or "stupid ideas". IT is an intellectual endeavor that is being shared in a medium, which not too long ago, was not thought possible.
for all who comment, thanks for the research info, four my psychology paper.
@peterott1 Yes, but then why call it a "perpetual wheel?" Nothing is perpetual without an outside energy source and, therefore, it's a misnomer. And I applaud the effort, but the basic idea is not going to work. Friction will catch up with it and you'll need a second energy source aside from gravity to make it perpetual.
At best, this is a neat art project, not an energy source.
While I don't think a perpetual motion machine is possible, workable or buildable, I am deeply comforted that people try to build them. For one thing, if it ever turns out they're right, they've hit the law of physics jackpot. However, every time they're wrong, it just further cements our confidence in the laws of thermodynamics and the current model of physics. Until then, they're just believers in pseudoscience and bad readers of actual science. Don't ever invest in a perpetual prototype.
@houdin654jeff I agree with you. Yet it amazes me that people who seem to be wonderful craftsman and somewhat skilled engineers can have such a such a limited knowledge in the basics of physics. Still, there failure proves the rule and there must be a lesson in that.
@GideonHectorMcLean Well it is such a seductive idea; free energy from basic mechanisms. Unfortunately, if it sounds too good to be true, it frequently is. The sad thing is that most true believers, like in most fields of (as James Randi calls it) "woo-woo" aren't shaken by failures or contradictory evidence. If anything, they're emboldened by it (see Moon landing hoax, Nessie, psychics, etc.). Others may learn the lesson, but it goes right over their heads and they keep plugging away.
darkenedpuppy has it close, the outer ball in the larger wheel must out way half the total weight of the balls on the inner wheel if it is circular and it is greater than one ball :one ball ratio. I cannot see the inner wheel, however if it where a spiral and not circular, there could be leverage to lift one ball up while one ball rides to the outer wheel thus over coming the weight disparity
First off: that is a reasonably impressive piece of art you have made.
Perhaps if you did some mathematics, you would see that the moments of lifting the larger number of balls at the smaller diameter balances (or may even be more) than the moment of the small number of balls at the larger diameter. I have not done this sum, because I do not know the diameters, the number of balls at each location and I already know the answer.
have you considered using heavier bearings? to compensate for the size of the wheel? i don't think there's any set rules on the size/density of the bearings
your on about extending the outer wheel for more leverage.....wont work because your forgetting the other side of the wheel {left side] will still be the same weight,no matter how large scale you make it...................its like a v gate on magnets
When you do the math, the energy required to lift the balls into position will always be as much as the energy gained when they come down, minus some friction losses. It's impossible to beat the math.
@AltRage what if 2 come down, one goes up? Or 3 down one up for that matter? hmmm is right. preload a proper timed amount in a hopper on top? some old soda machines used to use the drop to crank the belt full of pops up just a little but it did cycle. or a flood of bearings like water over a wheel - with a gear to increase the RPMs to power a lift system for return. even ditch the 1 wheel, goto several small ones verticle stacked. even yet, the reator-style turbine in a tube wud doit too.
@PrimeTargetSecurity hey somebody check this guy's math out, he thinks he knows everything - prove him wrong.
Yes i just replied to myself. Someone had to doit. challenge ye math geeks, do the math on my ideas, tell me yay or nay plz. my field is magnetics but but, this intrigued me. Magnetic assistance possibly... team up ppl. if 50 ppl invented thee thing, like theee thing, wouldnt the billions, sorry, trillions be ok to split? the smartest need to start really talking and testing.
This WILL never work. Just think of what happens when you make the outer wheel lager but still keeping the drop height the same? The angular at which the wheel turns per ball will become smaller so in return you will to need to raise more balls at the same time with the inner wheel.
=> more weight + longer lever = nothing changed, not matter how huge the outer wheel is
How many balls does the small wheel lift? I see only 3 balls providing the downforce. If you have 6 balls in the small wheel and the small wheel is half the diameter of the big wheel, you need more than 3 balls going down to lift the 6 inside the small wheel.
It's a stupid idea, it won't work, it won't make any money, and for those reasons I'm out!! (Please repeat in aggressive scottish accent like on Dragons' Den.)
Your right hand would be better employed in other duties.....
It is perpetual motion! As long as you live forever and keep turning it by hand!
Dude really, is this some kind of joke? It must be.
You are wasting your time, you know laws of thermodynamics and all of that. Just the fact that it is making noise means that you aren't even close to 100% efficiency (which is impossible) let alone 100% plus .
You want something close to perpetual connect a solar cell to a really big supercap and a really small motor. Charge @ day, run @ night.
You seem like a really nice bloke and i admire your dedication to this. Everyone should have a hobby, just realize that it will never work no matter what you do. It's impossible.
There's a limit on how large you should make the big wheel. Larger wheel means more force needs to be exerted by the balls to make the machine turn. Unless you use lead balls for your machine, I suggest scaling it down. (and maybe even then, still use lead balls)
Your principle is remarkable I do believe you need a wheel going the opposite direction. The balls will feed across like you said except the wheel size does not make any difference. Build a small unit feeding the balls through the rails going the opposite direction. There always has to be a counter balance principle. Just like the pendulum princliple but you can see why it does not work the inertia stops. Just a thought I look forward to seeing the next wheel.
Why do you think that the force that gravity pulls down one side of the wheel will be greater then the force needed to push the other side up (against gravity)? i really don't understand the logic of you perpetual motion believers.... :-)
this whole machine is running on torque, well thats the logic of this machine anyway. i know perpetual motion does not exist but the logic is quite simple, and stupid.
@yunged I am not supporting perpetual motion, but I am supporting how interesting 1monsoonwoman1's idea is. He's using leverage with gravity (larger radius = greater effect of gravity spinning the wheel; smaller radius = less distance for balls to travel upwards). Nevertheless, it will never work because the weight of a single ball would have to be greater than the weight of all the balls by the time it traveled to the outer edge.
@001BrainyBrady Our current laws of physics very clearly state that a perpetual motion machine is not possible, it would be fantastic if it was, it would solve most of our worlds problems but sadly all of our science doesn't allow it...
I think I see where he is coming from with this idea.
On the way up, the balls are very close to the center of the circle. On the way down, they are further out. It's comparable to two kids on a see-saw, both equal mass, but one is much closer to the fulcrum than the other. Of course, the kid who is farther out has more leverage, and his mass will bring it downward, even though the gravity is the same for both kids.
I don't know how well it will work, but I think this idea has merit. :)
@timwood1104 even with your see saw analogy it doesn't work, yes if kid 'A' is 2x farther away from the central point then kid 'B' thenhe will find it easier to raise him but once that has happened kid 'B' will have to put in twice as much effort to return the favour!! but it actually turns out to be worse then this because added energy is lost through friction .etc.
@timwood1104 The problem is that there are more balls being lifted close to the axis than there are ball descending on the further out position. Thus it is all equaling out
Now your wheel is using 2 "drums" to pass the balls and are different diameter, but device is still balanced. Why do you think making outer drum larger will unbalance it? Nice handwork though.
yeh, lets just make the wheel a little bigger. that was over 2 yr. ago. i imagine the wheel is almost infinite size by now (with multiple improvements!!!) If you reach 15 yrs old and cant realize immediately that ideas like this cant work, you must have had an extremely intellectually unstimulating, idle, and eneventful childhood
simple way to prove this doesn't work, take an electric motor, now connect it by a gear or a belt to a shaft to connect the other end of the shaft to a theoretical shaft out the other end of the motor. you may notice at this point that the motor would be doing nothing but rotate the shaft. this is good you are starting to understand that energy doesn't come from a vacuum.
What I can see you still in the same 2 problems to solve
First: is the friction. and second: is the quantity of balls in the inner ring opposite to the outer ring.
Need calculate the torsion created in the inner ring with the balls at one time witch have to be smaller tan the torsion created in the outer ring with the balls at the same time
The angle of the slope of the ball track wich i believe is necessary in your design, give a different angle to the arc of what the ball have to travel in the wheel. Therefore, even if you have no friction whatsoever, the angle of the ball drop is less then when the ball is going up. I dont think that there is a way to gather the enegergy from the ball going down the slope and even if you could, it will just compensate for the diffrent arc (going down and up and its just gonna even things out
Get rid of all of the friction (friction=0) and then you may have something that will be useful. But then, there is no way to get rid of all the friction is there? But all is not lost. Even in failure that is much to be gained.
@LutherRay Actually, while I agree that this design will never work, there is a way to reduce friction to 0, simply surround all wheels, gears or anything like that with superluid (like hyper compressed helium) and you will reduce the friction within the machine to 0, however, you would still have to deal with outside friction forces.
youcant get perp motion from gravity or magnetism all of these types of forces will simply cancell themselves out everytime so 4 ya own sake dont waiste ya time I believe we someday will be able to extract energy from the fabric of space itself with very advanced science then perpetual motion could then easily be possible!by the way have you tried golf?
With this consept on a gravity wheil you will never achive perpetual motion. the closest you can get to it is by barometric pressure and change of temperature.
Perpetual motion could exist if you assume that there is no friction being created by anything. However, even if you did manage to get a device with NO friction at all (which is already impossible), the device would only continue on at whatever force was applied to start it, meaning that trying to harvest energy from it would slow it down anyways.
macenuel: Battery free watches are driven by your own motion, not "perpetual"! Unless you keep moving 24/7...
I love the perpetual dicussion of perpetuality, but this is a bad case, the presentation given like " I will only have to change this..." and then it will work. Still, constant change is what makes the world go around (and money..), so why not...
Obviously perpetual motion can not exist because of friction, however it is neat to see what people come up with and how long there inventions actually can run without some other outside force. So all you fuckers trollin' and hating on the idea of perpetual motion can go fuck yourselves!
@drijfkip1 ya if he doent show everything and keeps it hidden many religious minded types wont ask for revelation.. yet they are rare .. alot perpetual motion machines are completely open
Internet, this is what we call a "La derp derp". It wont work unless you put energy into it, and then that energy gets wasted as heat, sound, friction so more energy is needed to keep it going ect...
How sad to see a guy with good habilities but zero knowledge about thermodynamics, wasting his time. May you should study to apply better your skills. Good luck in that.
perpetual motion can only excist when there is nog friction.
to come a little bit closer you could try to use ball bearings to reduce friction or make something leavitate on magnets but then even you will get friction because of the air.
perhaps ball bearings will help to reduce friction
Dude, the potential energy added by the upward motion is less than the one lost by the downward motion (due to friction). Even without friction the system will not work b/c energy gained will be = energy lost.
Dude do some basic physics, you'll quickly real that increasing the wheel will do nothing and this whole thing wont work, except in a friction less vacuum and still won't accelerate, it's no different than a normal wheel, in fact it's less efficient because of the little drops the balls under go
@konzwambii yes, and it would be easier to push if only he hadnt put all that crazy complicated, friction-producing mechanism on it!! But seriously, this is the essence of the perp-motion fraud: the more complicated, interesting, and intriguing you make your device, the more likely that some moron will believe your idea has merit. In this case the device would run longer and more efficiently if it were simply a wheel on a good bearing -- thus actually closer to perp-motion
It's working great, except the first and second laws of thermodynamics are giving him a hard time. And that failing ball at 1:44 might be a problem and the reason this „perpetual”-ly-pulled-by-hand motion machine was stopped in its grand demonstration.
we all know why perpetual motion wont work . I find it hard to believe people who make these machines aren't fully aware of this. More likely there just creating an elegant toy for fun.
If this is perpetual motion why are you adding energy? Thats proves it isn't perpetual. And every time you hear sound or heat is given off it loses energy so that stops it beinf posible.
I bet that freaking bolt through the middle really reduces the friction.
zacfubar 2 days ago
Launch a satellite into space and watch it go around and around.
surfskimfight 3 days ago
What if you use pendulums with a magnet attached to influence the balls downwards on the right and upwards on the left ? The magnets have to be weak enough to allow the pendulums to swing in the opposite direction.
studboy66 3 days ago
"just need a slightly bigger wheel with a little more leverage." Yeah, give that a try!
birdwing98 4 days ago
your machine will won't work no matter how much bigger you make it, because although you get greater leverage from the larger wheel it is conter acted by the marbles in the inner wheel and there will always be more on the inner wheel than the outer wheel and it can easily be proved mathimaticaly.
TheJstone92 1 week ago
we want less talk more action !!!
MrChop125 1 week ago
but even if you did find a way to juice a magnet for electrocity, the magnet would be the fuel and deplete
cjellwood 1 week ago
In theory, if electricity can make a magnet - a magnet can make electricity
cjellwood 1 week ago
10/10 for effort and 10/10 for your next attempt and your next. But if you're going to put this much time and effort into something to acheive a positive result, why not take up another hobby where you might actually acheive the outcome you are aiming for, say painting or photography. Hear (spelt like that for a reason) is why this model is not going to work no matter how much you tinker with it. If you can hear it, you are loosing energy, and you can hear it! Give it some thought! good luck.
Gobmoket 1 week ago
HINT USE BIGGER AND HEAVER MARBLES
Killericarnation 1 week ago
well, people here are pretty negative... perpetual motion can happen, it already does happen, and people make machine to do it, for example, in the 1400s, da vinci studied the overbalanced wheel, made by a theorist before then! and that works! and it is incredibly easy! now.... go away depressing pessimistic mesanthropic little bastards..
9sandan 1 week ago
work = force * distance
nathancberge 1 week ago
Making it bigger wouldn't achieve anything. Yes, you're increasing the output of energy when it is going down, but you are also increasing the energy needed for the opposite side to rise. If it's not working now, making bigger won't achieve anything.
bourky93 1 week ago
Guys he is on the edge of cracking it !
pixartist 1 week ago
STOP WASTING YOUR TIME... It will never work or happen, in theory yes it may.. but what about all the friction of the wheel?? wind resistance?? and even if you manage to make it run.. when you attach a generator to it.. it will slow down.. so no it will not work..
SavageSaffar 1 week ago
i see the problem, it needs to be more complicated.
hairycat54 2 weeks ago
It can work with magnets. Type in the perendev magnetic motor.
choochoobe 2 weeks ago
@choochoobe That was a fraud, the guy is in jail
Stonz4231 1 week ago
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kudos for the ingenuity.
quaipau 2 weeks ago
I think the area you're going wrong is that you're forgetting energy isn't just being "created" (albeit created may be the wrong word) but is also being used to carry the ball up. Plus, since there will be air resistance, and sound.... some energy is sure to be wasted.
Therefore it's impossible.
Cool machine you've made there though - just needs an electric motor!
paulbarrett1984 2 weeks ago
заебывает когда много пиздят!!!!!!!
va8ko8 2 weeks ago
just the fact that it makes a sound means energy is being wasted - all you need is one physics lesson to save you from wasting your life trying to make this work
OwtfisavailableO 2 weeks ago
For those who stone this guy, you did not watch carefully till the end of this video!!! The key to this perpetual motion machine is actually the flower of life... he will explain it at the end !!! :))))))))))))))
redycoATyahoo 2 weeks ago 2
The system is dependent on the time it takes for the ball to roll to the outside position. If it runs, it will only run at one speed.
CrimsonCaos 2 weeks ago
where is the update on this???!!!
CrimsonCaos 2 weeks ago
making it bigger will increase the friction on point that it rotates.
TheresSomeGuy 3 weeks ago
This will never work u don't understand one important problem. Leverage
crunch9876 3 weeks ago
the balls need to be a neutron star .. then it will work
g3rd1 3 weeks ago
the larger it gets the more time it takes to stop. but it will stop...
RattleheadGR 3 weeks ago
its impossible bro
rbxtreme96 1 month ago
make the balls heavier. that's all you need to do.
rparker069 1 month ago
hey man i would say: try to make it release the ball in the inner wheel earlier therefore leaving more weight and more time for the outer ball to "pull" down the machine i have no doubt in my mind that it will work. because then it will be much heavier for that longer amount of time and possibly you could get more than one ball on the outer wheel giving it a huge weight advantage with possible speed increase.
jkr4250 1 month ago
Try heavier balls and make your wheel out of something more light like carton or plastic
TheGabberManiac 1 month ago
you're waaaisting your time, you need at least the same amount of Energy to lift the balls as they can produce by pushing down the wheel. So you can just leave them out ...
diddutz 1 month ago
I think you should just attack a motor to it and call it a marble coaster... Because what you are trying to do is physically impossible. Look up basic phyiscs of a leaver.
littlefreak3000 1 month ago
balls need to be more heavy
whiteslicedbread 1 month ago
waste of time
HomoSapien2012 1 month ago
there is many problems with perpetual motion devices like friction but the other one that makes this wheel work a little also makes it not work: gravity. if gravity pulls the object down it's only completely logical that it's pulling everything else going up downwards as well!
centurionl 1 month ago
No...perpetual motion is not impossible....
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DanielBrown89 1 month ago
@DanielBrown89 That's not what perpetual motion is. This is using the electromagnetic waves in the air for free energy, which is okay, since it's basicly wasted anyway.
Perpetual motion describes a system which moves on its own, without outside influences. Planets orbiting a star seem like a form of it, though they're not 'perpetual' either. They just take longer to slow down due to the large mass. If there's any loss of energy (friction etc.), perpetual motion is impossible.
barutjeh 1 month ago
perpetual motion, but it's not moving. how strange.
TheHippo00100 2 months ago
You CANNOT create perpetual motion. Although I give credit for trying, more people need to try things. but seriously, read anything on thermodynamics or go email Michio Kaku. As a designer though, it looks nice :)
iwkya1 2 months ago
@iwkya1 its not impossible. im an engineering student so im the first to agree with you about creating a perpetual motion machine defying the saws of thermodynamics and what not. but anything is possible in the world of physics and mathematics its all probability. But mathematical and physical laws are always changing and being redefined and who knows in 500 yrs our kids may look down to us from the future and laugh at the fact we thought a "perpetual motion machine" was impossible(flat world)
crazymuthaphukr 2 months ago
@crazymuthaphukr You're an engineering student? Stop studying for the sake of humanity
prayrex 1 month ago
I love the energy and comitment in people trying to buind a machine like this and how the laws of physics doesn't seem to bother them at all.
Keep up the good (however futile) work!
If you crack it you'll be rich.
JillmanVideo 2 months ago
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NotreSysteme 2 months ago
perpetual motion is impossible the only way to get close would be at zero gravity, zero degrees calvin, in a vaccum with no photons or any form of radiation which is impossible and if it was it would be useless because you couldn't take energy out
cammanhey 2 months ago
@cammanhey People claim the only way to create perpetual motion is in a closed environment. And the only existent one is our entire environment. If the big bang theory is correct there already is perpetual motion and we reap the benefits of it every day.
billybobjoe198 2 months ago
Keep trying. And trying. And trying. There are thousands of people doing similar experiments, and all of them keep trying. And trying. And trying.
I admit, I tried to build a perpetual motion machine when I was 12. By age 13, I fully understood why it can't work.
pburto 2 months ago 21
perpetual motion dosen't exist
all the kinetic energy will eventually be turned into heat energy at the axle
It's possible to make a machine that goes on for a very long time though but not perpetual
gantok2 2 months ago
Has estudiado física alguna vez en tu vida? joooodeeeeer
adrianatovick 2 months ago
does that generate enough power to replace a car motor for example?
nicolasforand 2 months ago
The formula for the difference in potential energy in a gravitational field is dP = m x g x dh, where dh is the difference in height a particle of mass m has been raised. Anything you gain from one ball dropping, you lose having to raise the other. It doesn't matter how complicated you make it, once friction comes into play, it'll never work. Some friendlily advice, forget about this and put your wood working skills to a better project.
ShoeLube 2 months ago
Man, 1 day of high school physics could have saved this guy a LOT of trouble.
Ever heard of the First Law of Thermodynamics?
You may as well try to get a ball to fall upwards.
warren52nz 2 months ago
People will never give up, but there is no such thing as perpetual motion.These machines always need "help" or stop after a short while.By the way, I'm currently selling acreage on the floor of the Pacific ocean.CHEAP.
sallymaggiespotty 2 months ago
fail fail fail
you cant have enegy output with no energy input
zoroisking 2 months ago
In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lynnch1 2 months ago 38
@Lynnch1 haha. yes! great Simpsons reference !! thought i was the only one.
crazymuthaphukr 2 months ago
@crazymuthaphukr Ha!!! ya Homer comes out with great quotes alright!!!!
Lynnch1 2 months ago
use more marble your device will be continous rotation try it..
joeymoreno06 3 weeks ago
How about a plate, coated with magents, repelled by magnets on a platet below, so it hovers. Then place that in a conainer and remove all of the air. Finally spin the disk.
There would be no friction from air or bearings. Wouldnt that be perpetual motion? (thouh it could never be used to create energy, it just wouldnt lose energy given to it)
danagol1985 2 months ago
@danagol1985 Yes you are correct, with a frictionless bearing in a perfect vacuum, once turning would remain that way (Newton's first law of dynamics). And like you say there would be zero energy transferred. In practice however, you could never get a perfect vacuum. There have been systems created which turn for years but apart from proving a well known theory it comes down to nothing more than a nice display piece.
ShoeLube 2 months ago
I have interest of course but this is an open forum. My comments are nothing more than stimuli for research data. I have posted in other areas with the same results across the board. However, I am serious about checking out "davcroy" awesome functioning art.
Thanks to you viruses of the social pandemic, my paper is near completion as the semester draws to a close. I'm sure your derogatory demeanor will persist as I quietly earn my "A".
Peace, Love, common courtesy and mutual respect, is it gone
peterott1 2 months ago
jeff, i don't care, i am doing research for a psych paper. the interaction between people; face to face interaction vs. anonymity of the internet. People who post in disagreement do so in a very aggressive, mean spirited manner. seldom is there ever any positive feedback but rude "playground" comments with name calling and derogative statements. Most people would not respond the same way in a face to face encounter. thus my comments are to elicit feedback not to make a scientific point.
peterott1 2 months ago
I think that is ust like in a bycicle: you need more energy to paddle when the chain is in the inner gear than in the outer one, and due you have the same number of balls in the inner wheel than in the outer one, it's never gonna work. Maybe adding a magnet on the bottom of the bigger wheel so when the balls roll there, they'll be atracted by the magnet, adding strenght to the gravity.
EnteRaro19 2 months ago
It moves all by itself as long as it is given a little help.
dkstruska 2 months ago
check out "davcroy" here on youtube, he creates kinetic wood sculptures, his work is what "thinking outside the box" can produce.
peterott1 2 months ago
is it the anononiminity of the interent that allows you to post the level of personal expression found in your comments?
in personal conversation, say, over a beer in the back yard, would you refer to people as "morons,idiots, stupid"to their face?
most won't even look at each other in the eye let a lone engage in conversation.
does the anonominity of the interent give you the courage to engage in dialog that otherwise you would feel too self conscious to participate?
peterott1 2 months ago
the whole point of the perpetual wheel is NOT the wheel but the effort, the endeavor. It is not necessarily trying to defy physics but trying to select the right material with the correct design to create a gravity wheel within the laws of physics.
It is not "bad readers of science" or "stupid ideas". IT is an intellectual endeavor that is being shared in a medium, which not too long ago, was not thought possible.
for all who comment, thanks for the research info, four my psychology paper.
peterott1 2 months ago
@peterott1 Yes, but then why call it a "perpetual wheel?" Nothing is perpetual without an outside energy source and, therefore, it's a misnomer. And I applaud the effort, but the basic idea is not going to work. Friction will catch up with it and you'll need a second energy source aside from gravity to make it perpetual.
At best, this is a neat art project, not an energy source.
houdin654jeff 2 months ago
While I don't think a perpetual motion machine is possible, workable or buildable, I am deeply comforted that people try to build them. For one thing, if it ever turns out they're right, they've hit the law of physics jackpot. However, every time they're wrong, it just further cements our confidence in the laws of thermodynamics and the current model of physics. Until then, they're just believers in pseudoscience and bad readers of actual science. Don't ever invest in a perpetual prototype.
houdin654jeff 2 months ago
@houdin654jeff I agree with you. Yet it amazes me that people who seem to be wonderful craftsman and somewhat skilled engineers can have such a such a limited knowledge in the basics of physics. Still, there failure proves the rule and there must be a lesson in that.
GideonHectorMcLean 2 months ago
@GideonHectorMcLean Well it is such a seductive idea; free energy from basic mechanisms. Unfortunately, if it sounds too good to be true, it frequently is. The sad thing is that most true believers, like in most fields of (as James Randi calls it) "woo-woo" aren't shaken by failures or contradictory evidence. If anything, they're emboldened by it (see Moon landing hoax, Nessie, psychics, etc.). Others may learn the lesson, but it goes right over their heads and they keep plugging away.
houdin654jeff 2 months ago
darkenedpuppy has it close, the outer ball in the larger wheel must out way half the total weight of the balls on the inner wheel if it is circular and it is greater than one ball :one ball ratio. I cannot see the inner wheel, however if it where a spiral and not circular, there could be leverage to lift one ball up while one ball rides to the outer wheel thus over coming the weight disparity
peterott1 2 months ago
perhaps if you put a matter eraser in one ball tunnel and a matter generator in the other.. then i am sure you would have it !!
7777dmith7777 3 months ago
First off: that is a reasonably impressive piece of art you have made.
Perhaps if you did some mathematics, you would see that the moments of lifting the larger number of balls at the smaller diameter balances (or may even be more) than the moment of the small number of balls at the larger diameter. I have not done this sum, because I do not know the diameters, the number of balls at each location and I already know the answer.
mceajc 3 months ago
Wow! Finger power for sure!
Schizy01 3 months ago
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IF I was going to design something perpetual >> I would try to *copycat* how the SUN or a STAR was designed, or how the UNIVERSE itself was designed.
ANY perpetual machine or design should be an intuitive match for how the UNIVERSE was put together?
islandbuoy4 3 months ago
have you considered using heavier bearings? to compensate for the size of the wheel? i don't think there's any set rules on the size/density of the bearings
warmachine2k 3 months ago
@sistinewonder he's Australian so pronounces the word 'leverage' correctly. twit.
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your on about extending the outer wheel for more leverage.....wont work because your forgetting the other side of the wheel {left side] will still be the same weight,no matter how large scale you make it...................its like a v gate on magnets
MADHELINELLY 3 months ago
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MADHELINELLY 3 months ago
It's Leverage not LEEverege you twit.
sistinewonder 3 months ago
When you do the math, the energy required to lift the balls into position will always be as much as the energy gained when they come down, minus some friction losses. It's impossible to beat the math.
AltRage 3 months ago
@AltRage
Technically physics, but yeah. The only way to create a perpetual motion machine is with magnets, though even they will die off at some point.
Soulsphere001 3 months ago
@AltRage what if 2 come down, one goes up? Or 3 down one up for that matter? hmmm is right. preload a proper timed amount in a hopper on top? some old soda machines used to use the drop to crank the belt full of pops up just a little but it did cycle. or a flood of bearings like water over a wheel - with a gear to increase the RPMs to power a lift system for return. even ditch the 1 wheel, goto several small ones verticle stacked. even yet, the reator-style turbine in a tube wud doit too.
PrimeTargetSecurity 3 months ago
@PrimeTargetSecurity hey somebody check this guy's math out, he thinks he knows everything - prove him wrong.
Yes i just replied to myself. Someone had to doit. challenge ye math geeks, do the math on my ideas, tell me yay or nay plz. my field is magnetics but but, this intrigued me. Magnetic assistance possibly... team up ppl. if 50 ppl invented thee thing, like theee thing, wouldnt the billions, sorry, trillions be ok to split? the smartest need to start really talking and testing.
PrimeTargetSecurity 3 months ago
@PrimeTargetSecurity No testing required. See the 2nd law of Thermodynamics.
tubiejonny 3 months ago
This WILL never work. Just think of what happens when you make the outer wheel lager but still keeping the drop height the same? The angular at which the wheel turns per ball will become smaller so in return you will to need to raise more balls at the same time with the inner wheel.
=> more weight + longer lever = nothing changed, not matter how huge the outer wheel is
Ext3h 3 months ago
How many balls does the small wheel lift? I see only 3 balls providing the downforce. If you have 6 balls in the small wheel and the small wheel is half the diameter of the big wheel, you need more than 3 balls going down to lift the 6 inside the small wheel.
knapestaart 3 months ago
sadly, every prototype of this you make will need to be "a little bigger". i dont think this will ever work
GraveUypo 3 months ago
A sad little video: a man pushes a wheel to make balls drop onto tracks.
constabEL1 3 months ago
beautiful. I can't get over how many ppl don't believe Newton!
bibihexium 3 months ago
It's a stupid idea, it won't work, it won't make any money, and for those reasons I'm out!! (Please repeat in aggressive scottish accent like on Dragons' Den.)
Your right hand would be better employed in other duties.....
kageypg 3 months ago
It is perpetual motion! As long as you live forever and keep turning it by hand!
Dude really, is this some kind of joke? It must be.
You are wasting your time, you know laws of thermodynamics and all of that. Just the fact that it is making noise means that you aren't even close to 100% efficiency (which is impossible) let alone 100% plus .
You want something close to perpetual connect a solar cell to a really big supercap and a really small motor. Charge @ day, run @ night.
L337g4m3r 3 months ago
You seem like a really nice bloke and i admire your dedication to this. Everyone should have a hobby, just realize that it will never work no matter what you do. It's impossible.
MrGuitarjones 3 months ago
would it help to use heavier balls?
richardlee467 3 months ago
lol, these people are always like "I need to change this part, just a little bit. If I do, then its going to work.
SwuaveWEB 3 months ago
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before you waste your life. i believe that perpetual motion is possible but its near impossible.
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died4hislove 3 months ago
This wheel is an abomination!
Lightboxes 3 months ago
There's a limit on how large you should make the big wheel. Larger wheel means more force needs to be exerted by the balls to make the machine turn. Unless you use lead balls for your machine, I suggest scaling it down. (and maybe even then, still use lead balls)
enemyunit 3 months ago
Not really perpetual is it? Not really any motion either come to think of it.
kageypg 3 months ago
@kageypg In his defense, it is orbiting the Sun...
snappycatchy 3 months ago
Your principle is remarkable I do believe you need a wheel going the opposite direction. The balls will feed across like you said except the wheel size does not make any difference. Build a small unit feeding the balls through the rails going the opposite direction. There always has to be a counter balance principle. Just like the pendulum princliple but you can see why it does not work the inertia stops. Just a thought I look forward to seeing the next wheel.
Solve the energy crisis.
Koolride59 3 months ago
Why do you think that the force that gravity pulls down one side of the wheel will be greater then the force needed to push the other side up (against gravity)? i really don't understand the logic of you perpetual motion believers.... :-)
yunged 4 months ago 19
@yunged
actually.... on a see-saw the further you sit away from the pivot, the more you weigh basically.
so, because one ball is on the edge of the circle, it effectively weighs more than the ball on the other side that is nearer the centre. i think.
thumbs up if you agree :)
redwill21 3 months ago
@yunged torque = fd (force x distance)
the bigger the distance, the greater the force.
this whole machine is running on torque, well thats the logic of this machine anyway. i know perpetual motion does not exist but the logic is quite simple, and stupid.
cmak5 3 months ago
@yunged Ye I mean i guess its fun to dream and make cool stuff, but there has to be a time when you realize it doesnt work.
stuttgurth 3 months ago
@yunged I am not supporting perpetual motion, but I am supporting how interesting 1monsoonwoman1's idea is. He's using leverage with gravity (larger radius = greater effect of gravity spinning the wheel; smaller radius = less distance for balls to travel upwards). Nevertheless, it will never work because the weight of a single ball would have to be greater than the weight of all the balls by the time it traveled to the outer edge.
darkenedpuppy 3 months ago
@darkenedpuppy Wait... I think I screwed that explanation up.... oh well, whatever =]
darkenedpuppy 3 months ago
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@darkenedpuppy Wait... I think I screwed that explanation up.... oh well, whatever =]
darkenedpuppy 3 months ago
@yunged I am pretty sure the only way to achieve perpetual motion is toy take two magnets and have them spin a wheel with magnets on it.
001BrainyBrady 2 months ago
@001BrainyBrady Our current laws of physics very clearly state that a perpetual motion machine is not possible, it would be fantastic if it was, it would solve most of our worlds problems but sadly all of our science doesn't allow it...
yunged 2 months ago
@yunged
I think I see where he is coming from with this idea.
On the way up, the balls are very close to the center of the circle. On the way down, they are further out. It's comparable to two kids on a see-saw, both equal mass, but one is much closer to the fulcrum than the other. Of course, the kid who is farther out has more leverage, and his mass will bring it downward, even though the gravity is the same for both kids.
I don't know how well it will work, but I think this idea has merit. :)
timwood1104 2 months ago
@timwood1104 even with your see saw analogy it doesn't work, yes if kid 'A' is 2x farther away from the central point then kid 'B' thenhe will find it easier to raise him but once that has happened kid 'B' will have to put in twice as much effort to return the favour!! but it actually turns out to be worse then this because added energy is lost through friction .etc.
yunged 2 months ago
@yunged
Right. Haha okay.
Nevermind! :)
timwood1104 2 months ago
@timwood1104 The problem is that there are more balls being lifted close to the axis than there are ball descending on the further out position. Thus it is all equaling out
aubreycarterandrew 2 weeks ago
Now your wheel is using 2 "drums" to pass the balls and are different diameter, but device is still balanced. Why do you think making outer drum larger will unbalance it? Nice handwork though.
DragonToko 4 months ago
yeh, lets just make the wheel a little bigger. that was over 2 yr. ago. i imagine the wheel is almost infinite size by now (with multiple improvements!!!) If you reach 15 yrs old and cant realize immediately that ideas like this cant work, you must have had an extremely intellectually unstimulating, idle, and eneventful childhood
tampicokeed 4 months ago
simple way to prove this doesn't work, take an electric motor, now connect it by a gear or a belt to a shaft to connect the other end of the shaft to a theoretical shaft out the other end of the motor. you may notice at this point that the motor would be doing nothing but rotate the shaft. this is good you are starting to understand that energy doesn't come from a vacuum.
wtrevena 4 months ago
What I can see you still in the same 2 problems to solve
First: is the friction. and second: is the quantity of balls in the inner ring opposite to the outer ring.
Need calculate the torsion created in the inner ring with the balls at one time witch have to be smaller tan the torsion created in the outer ring with the balls at the same time
Keep trying.
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yay for failing to make working perpetual motion!
solaris190 4 months ago
You sound like Alex from the movie "A Clockwork Orange".
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SurvivalGuide2012 4 months ago
The angle of the slope of the ball track wich i believe is necessary in your design, give a different angle to the arc of what the ball have to travel in the wheel. Therefore, even if you have no friction whatsoever, the angle of the ball drop is less then when the ball is going up. I dont think that there is a way to gather the enegergy from the ball going down the slope and even if you could, it will just compensate for the diffrent arc (going down and up and its just gonna even things out
amorDeShnitzel 4 months ago
...waiting patiently for a video where you're not USING YOUR HAND to turn the wheel!
dmitrybrant 4 months ago
cool design but the problem is the way i understand you it is only creating enough energy to power itself thats not perpetual motion
TheChslax31 4 months ago
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it will never work...
soverato3 4 months ago
Yes, just make it bigger, than it will work.
Beware of bugs, they eat wood.
MucusFelidae 4 months ago
Get rid of all of the friction (friction=0) and then you may have something that will be useful. But then, there is no way to get rid of all the friction is there? But all is not lost. Even in failure that is much to be gained.
LutherRay 4 months ago
@LutherRay Actually, while I agree that this design will never work, there is a way to reduce friction to 0, simply surround all wheels, gears or anything like that with superluid (like hyper compressed helium) and you will reduce the friction within the machine to 0, however, you would still have to deal with outside friction forces.
GarthAbaddon 4 months ago
the balls within the center are more concentrated and will counteract the power of the outer wheel.
davidzhang23r0 4 months ago
1:39 - "its working quite well"))))))
Ingusaded 4 months ago
youcant get perp motion from gravity or magnetism all of these types of forces will simply cancell themselves out everytime so 4 ya own sake dont waiste ya time I believe we someday will be able to extract energy from the fabric of space itself with very advanced science then perpetual motion could then easily be possible!by the way have you tried golf?
omagunna 4 months ago
With this consept on a gravity wheil you will never achive perpetual motion. the closest you can get to it is by barometric pressure and change of temperature.
TheWehrmacht39 4 months ago
I dont care what all these trolls are saying it looks cool anyway
WayneDavisRocks 4 months ago
Perpetual motion could exist if you assume that there is no friction being created by anything. However, even if you did manage to get a device with NO friction at all (which is already impossible), the device would only continue on at whatever force was applied to start it, meaning that trying to harvest energy from it would slow it down anyways.
McFuckNuggets 4 months ago
macenuel: Battery free watches are driven by your own motion, not "perpetual"! Unless you keep moving 24/7...
I love the perpetual dicussion of perpetuality, but this is a bad case, the presentation given like " I will only have to change this..." and then it will work. Still, constant change is what makes the world go around (and money..), so why not...
strandnatt 4 months ago
Obviously perpetual motion can not exist because of friction, however it is neat to see what people come up with and how long there inventions actually can run without some other outside force. So all you fuckers trollin' and hating on the idea of perpetual motion can go fuck yourselves!
Troupe426 4 months ago
Ad a hidden battery powered motor on the back, and show it running on YouTube.
You will be surprized by the amount of believers that will defend you...
drijfkip1 4 months ago 31
@drijfkip1 I really hate the fact that you are right about that.
schloopfoop 4 months ago
@drijfkip1 oh shut up asshole prototypes obviously wont work 100% efficient its the idea that counts
pimpofdoom 3 months ago
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@pimpofdoom "oh shut up asshole prototypes obviously wont work 100% efficient its the idea that counts"
That's a bit hard to read without punctuation and capitals... Let me help you.
Oh shut up. Asshole prototypes obviously wont work. 100% efficient, its the idea that counts.
Ah, now it makes sense ;-)
drijfkip1 3 months ago
@drijfkip1 ya if he doent show everything and keeps it hidden many religious minded types wont ask for revelation.. yet they are rare .. alot perpetual motion machines are completely open
frank0067 3 months ago
Internet, this is what we call a "La derp derp". It wont work unless you put energy into it, and then that energy gets wasted as heat, sound, friction so more energy is needed to keep it going ect...
youmayatutorials 4 months ago
this will not work...
gsfhg 4 months ago
How sad to see a guy with good habilities but zero knowledge about thermodynamics, wasting his time. May you should study to apply better your skills. Good luck in that.
rcbit 4 months ago
you dont have to make it any bigger, just use lighter materials in the wheel and use the lowest friction bearings possible
vikingcomander 4 months ago
I feel like you could make a perpetual motion machine with magnetic forces..
orangegold1 4 months ago
perpetual motion can only excist when there is nog friction.
to come a little bit closer you could try to use ball bearings to reduce friction or make something leavitate on magnets but then even you will get friction because of the air.
perhaps ball bearings will help to reduce friction
1nightmaremike 4 months ago
"perhaps even bigger than that!" (showing a 80 cm diametre wheel)
lol
Are you kidding your auditory? Are you simply stupid?
Everybody knows if you want your system to be working properly you'll need to build a 3 metre diametre wheel... minimum!
Let's do the job, good boy you are.
dudits01 4 months ago
Dude, the potential energy added by the upward motion is less than the one lost by the downward motion (due to friction). Even without friction the system will not work b/c energy gained will be = energy lost.
furkha 4 months ago
Dude do some basic physics, you'll quickly real that increasing the wheel will do nothing and this whole thing wont work, except in a friction less vacuum and still won't accelerate, it's no different than a normal wheel, in fact it's less efficient because of the little drops the balls under go
mrsheetballz 4 months ago
Ya, it helps to move it with your hand...
Let it go, geeze!
FoamKittyGamer 4 months ago
It seems to work quite nicely, as long as he keeps pushing it around by hand...
konzwambii 4 months ago 23
@konzwambii yes, and it would be easier to push if only he hadnt put all that crazy complicated, friction-producing mechanism on it!! But seriously, this is the essence of the perp-motion fraud: the more complicated, interesting, and intriguing you make your device, the more likely that some moron will believe your idea has merit. In this case the device would run longer and more efficiently if it were simply a wheel on a good bearing -- thus actually closer to perp-motion
tampicokeed 4 months ago 11
"At the moment its quite balanced" ya don't say!
hjf3022 4 months ago
It's working great, except the first and second laws of thermodynamics are giving him a hard time. And that failing ball at 1:44 might be a problem and the reason this „perpetual”-ly-pulled-by-hand motion machine was stopped in its grand demonstration.
ZergAteu 5 months ago
Working well? Then why do you have to move it
with your hand?
You need an education, you poor sod.
Whatever you do, "leverage" as you call
it must be equal on both paths, thus
friction of the bearing stops it, and there
is no way around that. The Laws of
Thermodynamics: You can't get
something for nothing, and you can't
even break even.
rstevewarmorycom 5 months ago
on the right track dude, i think maybe just a bit more methamphetamine and it'll work... dont Ever give up
bubtacular 5 months ago
we all know why perpetual motion wont work . I find it hard to believe people who make these machines aren't fully aware of this. More likely there just creating an elegant toy for fun.
MrNevertime 5 months ago
If this is perpetual motion why are you adding energy? Thats proves it isn't perpetual. And every time you hear sound or heat is given off it loses energy so that stops it beinf posible.
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oh my god, it will NEVER WORK.
petarjuric 5 months ago
Leave him alone... he likes playing with his balls.
alexarcano 5 months ago
thats the saddest waste of time i have ever seen. i feel sorry for the guy.
intoxicologist 5 months ago
Need a perpetual motion machine?
It's called a motor.
jmart550 5 months ago