BBC Ancient Rome The Rise and Fall of An Empire

[VanillaSnow23]

What about ancient China (Han Dynasty)?

[AbberantRender]

@VanillaSnow23 In comparison, the Roman Empire was a far more capable military power. Whereas the ancient Chinese Empire possessed a far larger army, Rome was unparallelled in its military might; its organisation, quality of training, and standardisation of equipment and doctrine, among other things, made it so. The Roman Military was more or less a modern military before its time, and many modern militaries build off of its precedents.

[VanillaSnow23]

@AbberantRender The Roman Empire had a larger population than ancient China. As for who was more technologically advanced, that is up to debate. But I have my gut instincts..

[AbberantRender]

@VanillaSnow23 Not so much the level of technological advancement that determined Rome's military superiority so much as the ideas that went into its organisation, training, and equipping. The Roman military most significantly influenced the development of the modern military: moreso than any other ancient military.

[VanillaSnow23]

@AbberantRender I agree the Romans were better in military and outward expansion.  But not so with technological innovation and advancement...I'd give that to the Han Chinese. But both were great overall.

[AbberantRender]

@VanillaSnow23 Of course.

[DragonOfQin]

@VanillaSnow23 Romans were not better than Hans in outward expansion. Hans did not expand because of their culture and identity. They believed they were the center of the earth aka the Middle Kingdom (Zhong Guo). There was nothing worth conquering to the Hans. Romans werent better in military. Thats utter bullshit. Dont be so naive. I know more about Han/Rome than this fool abberant will ever do.

[VanillaSnow23]

@DragonOfQin lol I am korean myself and I love China. ;-(

[DragonOfQin]

@VanillaSnow23 Chinese dont hate Koreans. Koreans can be part of Chinese civilization. Korea as a nation was a vassal of China which made them 2nd tier. Koreans have proven themselves to be faithful to China since Korea's 3 kingdoms period, Song period, and Ming period. Unfortunately, now there is Japan and the West sticking their noses into Asian business which divides South Korea, North Korea and Korea China relations.

[VanillaSnow23]

@DragonOfQin Yeah as a Korean I freely admit I love Chinese culture and history. There are many similarities and connections between Korea and China (language, culture,e c) throughout all history. Both victims of WW2 too. I do want to go to China one day and learn Mandarin and assimilate into Chinese =) BTW I'm very excited for China's current space program. It will interesting what they do in the future ;)

[DragonOfQin]

@VanillaSnow23 of course! China is the 2nd country with the most Koreans. lol. The reason you like Chinese culture is because it is very similar to Korean culture. When Korea was a vassal it adopted many things from China such as confucism, buddhism, dressing, architecture, food, etc. So in a way, Korea is an extention of Chinese culture. Japan was also an extention of China until 800AD.

[VanillaSnow23]

@DragonOfQin One more thing, though. You said "Korea as a nation was a vassal of China and have proven themselves to be faithful to China since Korea's 3 kingdoms period, Song and Ming period" ---What do you mean by that? Sorry, I'm a little ignorant of East Asian history actually could you lecture me on that? Thanks ;)

[DragonOfQin]

@VanillaSnow23 During the 3 kingdoms period of Korea, Silla(real Korea) was having trouble defeating the 2 neighboring kingdoms. Tang Dynasty aided Silla and Silla successfully defeated the 2 kingdoms and created the Korean identity. During Song, Koreans and Chinese fought against the Mongols. During Ming, Chinese aided Korea against the Japs in the IMjin War and WON. Koreans in return aided Ming against Manchus but it was unsucessful. Fortunately, Manchus became Chinese.

[DragonOfQin]

@VanillaSnow23 dont listen to abberantrender. He is a Korean that has an inferiority complex cuz his ancestors were Chinese servants. Rome did have a SLIGHTLY larger population than Han. I believe 50 mil : 46 mil. Rome was not a far more capable military power. They got manhandled by semi-nomadic parthians in the battle of Carrhae which showed Rome's military weakness. Abberant blabbers from his ass with no substance.

[TLshadow1997]

 Caesar! Caesar! Caesar!

[Mack8136]

How is the "Roman the Empire the greatest Empire the world has ever known" when the Mongol Empire spanned across more continents then the Roman Empire. In this documentary the writers for got to tell that the Romans fought the Persian for 200 years and lost . The Mongols conquered Empires and took over Persia! The Roman Emperor Valerian was captured and used by the Persian ruler Shapur I as a foot stool to get on to his horse. The Romans never could take Germania ether.

[Praventore]

@Mack8136 lol @ u . how long lasted mongolian scum and how long Romans , How were romans living ? how were mongols living ? Civilisation ? Time scale ?

[optimisticbabe]

@Praventore According to wiki such factors are dismiseed when it comes to the largest empire at any given point in history. The Mongol empire was the 'Largest empire by land area and population'. However, the greatness of each is debatable. And you were commenting on the 'greatness' and Mack was commenting on both the aforementioned factors.

[ssam00]

@Mack8136 I guess size is not the only metric of greatness. The Mongols conquered an enormous part of Eurasia but all they could provide was destruction, carnage and genocide. Their "empire" disintegrated soon and they did not leave any legacy of greatness. The Roman Empire was built on bloodshed too but they were not as barbaric as the Mongols, and brought good administration, build roads and infrastructure and contributed to the overall progress of civilization.

[WlakyMaster]

need songs from this episodes.if anyone can help me...

[indi1807]

@WlakyMaster you can search for "Ancient Rome Rise and Fall of An Empire theme download" on youtube. enjoy!

[WlakyMaster]

@indi1807 thanks bro, It wasn't on youtube earlier :D

[Praventore]

I WANT THEM ALL TO DIEE !!!!!!! *nero best :) or Who will fight with me today !!!* jUlius caesar

[la1revolucion]

roma never die viva latinos roma el rey. E PLURIBUS UNUM

[Trailermaker001]

great trailer for the amazing serie.

[fallen4life080]

funny, how just cuz its about ancient rome, ppl write in latin :P id like to learn hehe, but id prefer its closest daugther language, la lingua italiana :P

credo che é megliore anche :P

[redmanPH]

nah, latin is way more awesome

[fallen4life080]

well the romance languages came from Vulgar latin not classical latin, and italian is the closest of all (duh its italy) to vulgar latin, looks almost the same the same too

[ImperialGuard9001]

90% of Portuguese Language comes from Vulgar Latin.

I dont know wich is the more smillar in that case

[lapaquidelospuertos]

I had to study latin in the highschool , and it was quite dificult to me.

[bittersweetsymfny]

necessa est baculum arripit et princeps nacare

[cassey1228]

Hello! do you have a copy of the second episode of this mini tv series titled "Nero"? the Actor who portrayed Nero is Michael Sheen. if you have a copy pls Upload it..tnx.