Scientology: WISE Fraud 1/5

[MrJohndoakes]

Wise Beard Man, who is the off-camera interviewer? Just asking out of curiosity.

[RedCrescentDemon]

@MrJohndoakes out of curiosity, huh?

[bawonee1]

I agree with some of the others. If this guy was that stupid enough to sign up with those scammers, then he deserves what he got!!!!!

[LandingCraft1969]

Manchurian Candidate what?

[brainsickkids]

I was pursued by the pernicious L Ron Hubbard and his cronies for years and years! Only that I left Ireland, moved around several different countries and changed my name did I manage to shake them off eventually. I was very young, about 21 at the time when I first was introduced to them. Twelve years later, their propaganda was still showing up at my mother's house.

[elsteviolee]

My God, this guy is boring. Also, what is he saying? Is he bitching or not?

[darthspeaks]

Joining $¢ientology is like those ant traps. Even if you exit successfully you are still harmed by it.

[DECIMUS771]

$cietology is sooo unoriginal in their conning. Time share sales people have been using this for years. C-L-I-C-H-E much!!

[annaknowsu]

The theme I see in people who get involved with Scientology want MORE of everything. While the true religions of the world like Hinduism, Buddhism, etc teach that desire for something outside of oneself is what leads people astray & encourages it's followers to let go of wanting more. Scientology teaches the opposite and encourages desire to it's most destructive level.

[mrbadguysan]

Is it just me, or are a lot of chiropractors Scientologists?

[SonichuFan4Ever]

@mrbadguysan They target white-collar people who have more money than brains. Many of my father's friends, who were software engineers that made $100K+/year were also taken in by this cult.

[albavasquez]

I was also a victim from one of these scientologists management companies. . They had me sign up for a $40,000.00 contract for a year. What a rip off!! I would like to warn all unsuespecting dentists, doctors, chiroprachtors who may be brain washed and abused by their tactics.

[core1976scotland]

I see a pattern here! ie ruined lives & empty bank accounts.

[goofydog2]

Thanks Mark for all you do to expose Scientology. I fear, from listening to the Dr. and his wife, is that Scientology is getting into everything to gain access to power and the money power brings. The United States and much of the rest of the world is under siege by Scientology. They could actually win if they aren't stopped, and stopped soon! So don't laugh at these videos! Pay attention and SPEAK OUT! Our way of life is being attacked, it's either them or us...

[mattdrinksxxxx]

twenty thousand dollars each... are you fucking stupid ??

[drewd1987]

How can a doctor be so stupid?

[80Perkele]

How about the last president...Yale graduate Mr George W Bush..... lol!

Seriously having knowledge in one area doesn't necessarily mean you're inteligent or even smart.....Some of the most brilliant smart people don't have a diploma....

[drewd1987]

Yes, however if does take a certain degree of analytical thinking to become a doctor.. it's just sickening what scientology does to people.

[drewd1987]

Some of the most charasmatic, loved people are sociopaths too. Don't trust Obama, he's proven to be as bad as Bush already with his forign policy and radical direction he's taking America.

[fatsomamacheese]

Book smarts, but not steet smarts.

Some would call it intelligence vs common sense, some would call it knowledge vs wisdom.

It's pretty amazing if you think about it, that someone this intelligent could be tricked like this. Hubbard had some kind of street smarst to create this virus that infects so many intelligent people.

[drewd1987]

Absolutely right. It's kind of like how liberals think they know it all but have a very unrealistic view of the world. There are so many scams out there you have to keep your guard up. And these are the same people that trust the shit out of politicians like obama, al gore, etc.

All liars and crooks.

Ron Paul Libertarians ftw!

[fatsomamacheese]

A ron paul fan! I wish he would have won, as crazy as some of his ideas were I think he was outside of the "game".

[drewd1987]

Thanks, but I don't understand. Which ideas exactly were "crazy"? Have you read his books?

[fatsomamacheese]

The idea of getting rid of most governmental orgs like the IRS, etc, and pulling all troops out of every foreign nation all in the first year...

There is no way he could pull that off even if he wanted to.

The good direction I believe he was moving though was waking people up to the idea of why those things should happen some day.

[drewd1987]

Yes, he's stated that wouldn't happen over night. He knew he'd never win in the election either. His point was that we need to get back to the principles of the constitution and why the founders wrote it the way they did. Bush was a horrible conservative, and it looks like America's answer somehow became radical liberalism? I really hope we don't lose touch of the ideas what made us the best nation on earth.

[fatsomamacheese]

Exactly, he was more of a wake up call for a lot of people I think. Because I think we HAVE lost touch of those ideals, you know?

[drewd1987]

Did you know that the federal reserve is a private banking institution with no oversight by our government yet is given the power to print money and change interest rates?

[fatsomamacheese]

Yup, and I completely disagree with it.

[hondal22]

so whats is the real truth about Scientology

[Medhiv83]

"cult definitions coined from 1920 onward refer to a cohesive SOCIAL GROUP and their DEVOTIONAL BELIEFS or PRACTICES, which the surrounding population considers to be outside of mainstream cultures"

as explained by wikipedia, and more or less in the same fashion by any other dictionary ... so the only thing in which it differs from religion really is its acceptance & size

+ i didn't even bring up any emotional response to it, just pointed things out

[SP4123105]

These are wonderful people to put their story out there for all to see. I wish them the best!

What is also fantastic is that as more speak out there will be less chiropractors, dentists, optometrists and veterinarians duped by corrupt management consultants who promote WISE.

$cientology is a cult. WISE, ABLE, Narconon, CCHR, YHRI and Applied Scholastics are front groups. Soon everyone will know.

[FrodoDojo]

Sounds like the scammers are feeding on each other. So in effect, Scientology adjusted your wallet?

[MaryJamesMurdoch]

Yeah, obviously he's the type of person that actually believes his own con game - "professionally" and spiritually.

[jdtrickster4]

Excellent series. 5 *s This is typical of what happens a lot in $cn.

[Squabbles10]

I am at WISE and it is kickin' ass . . . .

This wife here wears a strapon !!!

[gooshie3]

LOL AT "GOOD MOVIE"

[45564766]

Re: Forsaking god:

So, if I understand correctly: A vengeful, supernatural being demands blood sacrifice or blind obedience otherwise I will be thrown into a lake of fire when I die, izatrite?

And all I gotta do to avoid this is follow the interpretation of some 'pastor' or other spiritual interpreter who will take my money in exchange for this 'truth'? And I'm sure it's true because it says so in the Bible?

With wisdom like that, who needs Xenu?

[sporkupines]

1. the Bible says nothing about God demanding blood sacrifice.

2. you don't have to give them any money. It's called an OFFERING because you OFFER it to them.

We're terribly sorry if the idea of Christianity just doesn't quite work for you. We only want YOU to be happy.

[45564766]

It may be that the Bible says nothing about God demanding blood sacrifice, but it makes a plain case that the material world we are in is created supernaturally, as if by magic.

Also, many people who claim 'faith' in the bible refuse to acknowledge scientific fact, and will go as far as to sue school boards over it.

So when I see a comment like, "Jesus Rules," I just have to say, "NOT".

I don't mean to offend those who hold a mystical point of view, but it IS 'mystical'.

[lejink]

that also very much bothers me about christianity. im a very spiritual person- iv read the bible many times and call myself a christian.. but i also dont believe in creationism, im always very curious about any new scientific discovery. god wouldnt have made us scientificly minded people- and a world of information for us to discover if he wanted us to ignore it all. to pick and choose which science we should accept makes no sence..

[Revelation181]

If you forsake God in your life, you will reap what you sow in one way or another... sooner or later...

Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior.

[45564766]

Buddhists share a thread of history leading back to Buddha Siddharta Guatama, otherwise known as 'Buddha' about 33 bc and there is a specific literal story, and a graeat tradition of many many sects or differing views, but there is nobody to tell you what is or isn't a buddhist. It's important to know that.

You don't even have to be a vegetarian or meditate if you don't 'dig it like that'. You can be as buddhist as you want, and as aescetic as you please. Who judges you? What god?

[HotaruZoku]

Wise words.

[fulper]

i'm not partial to religion but Buddhists never managed to piss me off, if i had to describe the religion in one word it would be 'cool' =]

[jdtrickster4]

Siddhārtha Gautama 563 BCE to 483 BCE

[Hossetheboss1000]

Scientology + chiropractic = religion

[robinvan1983]

actually funny because in Holland chiropractors aren't even medical practitioners.but still shit what Co$ did

[jacobins3000]

Scientology is almost as big a scam as the chiropractic industry.

[iamsobored88]

damn sp's

[iamsobored88]

they look just about like wackos

[crackwhore2007]

What is wrong with the world? We need to destroy Scientology before it fucks us up even more.

[998987987698765]

Thank you 'Crack Whore' for you astute observation.

[DECIMUS771]

@crackwhore2007 Your called crackwhore2007. $cientology is the least of your worries?? : )

[d4m7s8]

Yuppie fools.

[boyrobin88]

I can't believe anyone would be so stupid as to sign up for this satanic experiement in brainwashing which is Scientology.

[Zeld1122]

Yeah, Scientology sucks. But Christianity etc. ain't so good either. If I had to pick a religion that actually makes some sense, I'd pick buddhism.

[katubus]

ah but Buddhism isn't *technically* (or at least wasn't meant to be) a religion, more a philosophy, as are Zen, Taoism etc...the eastern philosophies. One could agrue that this set, were closer to the truth because they do not attempt to define, what is by nature undefinable. So yea, certainly a better choice ;)

[Zeld1122]

Yeah, I also think it's more like a "philosophy of live" or something. But 'cause it's usually viewed as a religion, I said so also.

[KRISHANKO]

that is correct.

budists dont call their faith a religion.

scifagiology isnt a religion but its believers call it a religion.

weird, isnt it?

[998987987698765]

How do you know what a religion is?? Where do you get this insite from? Did you read the rules somewhere on what a religion is? Or do you just make it up as it goes along?

[SoulCheese77]

How about you grab a dictionary and figure it out yourself bud. Don't forget to look it up in the R's... you know for Religion... rofl

[998987987698765]

You're way out of line here. I looked it up. If someone wants to worship a rat as the creator well then that's his religion. You have a problem with that or ...can't you read?

[jdtrickster4]

@ 99898798etc.

"How do you know what a religion is??"

Isn't your $ciLentology?

"Did you read the rules...?"

We know the rules now. $cn is a $cam! The cat's out of the bag.

"Or do you just make it up as it goes along?"

Isn't that what L. Con Hubbard did? He even said $cn's nearest relative was Buddhism. lol What a joke! I don't think Buddhists have Xenu or Body Thetans as part of their Cosmology.

Keep your TRs* in.

*TR = Training Regimen or Routine. Also called Indoctrination drill ;)

[cori800888]

@boyrobin88 its done on a gradient, back in the 70's and 80's many christian religious leaders were involved, educators, scientists and etc... the satanic roots, and utterly destructive end game remain well hidden even today.

[VeiledHeathen]

It's not that surprising to me that someone who practiced chiropractic would find scientology appealing.

many chiropractors push "spirit essense" and other odd rationalizations for treatment.. weird but true!

[churopee]

I have been through the same exact experience as these good people have. PLEASE stay away from Scientology. A Clear is a person who realizes he mocks up his entire "bank" or reactive mind (the voice in your head that makes you live in the past or future.) Just read the Power of Now by Ekhart Tolle and practice staying present and you will never need 1 auditing session.

[JackArse777]

Scientology ruins lives!!!

[bradacus]

NS I believe they share a collective hive like mind. Kind of like the borg from star trek.

I guess ignorance truly is bliss.

[bradacus]

Shut up pity you sound like something out of a science fiction book.

OH WAIT....

[Pityanonymous]

I think know I where this guy got confused.  Scn is a tool to be used. Its not a feeling you are "looking" for. I use the WISE info and it has helped me dramatically!! But you have to use the data and it still has to be done. It doesnt just happen because you read a book. So this is just a nice guy who just didnt get it! Hey it happens! But he was making $5000extra each month. Why change? He must have seen the potential to do more. Its there ...

[NSResponder]

" I use the WISE info and it has helped me dramatically!!"

Wishing doesn't make it so, sunshine. Get out of that criminal nut-cult, and get back in touch with your family. They miss you.

-jcr

[RoboticAudio]

It's funny how all of these "educated" people fall into this bullshite known as $cientology

[spectrecross]

don't gotta go there, its easy to diss the poeople who were tricked when its not us.

[juice797]

See the one with dentists, too.

[gr4tuitou5]

A couple of charlatans get shafted by an even bigger bunch of charlatans, so sad :P

[dechha1981]

If I may make a small sugestion;

When you have videos in parts like this, it's good to have the videos as responses to eachother. That way, it's easier to navigate from one to the next. Just a sugestion.

[NickyFontana]

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[wallaceoo2]

THIS IS WHY WE FIGHT !!!!!

**Join Anonymous APRIL 12 for another World Wide Peaceful Protest**

'Operation Reconnect'

[Sparkanoid1]

WIKILEAK DOT ORG is where you can download many secret Scientology documentations for free. I read the super power rundown last night and it is insane. It also includes the 100 child security questions for 6-12 year olds.

[NSResponder]

" I read the super power rundown last night and it is insane."

Hubbard's great innovation was coming up with a way to make his insanity contagious.

-jcr

[gubnillec]

Firsa let me state I think Scamatology is nothing but the deluded ravings of a drug addict; but more than a scam then Scamatology.

They pop bones in my spine and I am all better as long as I come in for an adjustment every so often? Am I out ethic if I think its idiotic that my spine controls my bladder? I enjoy your videos as they are very educational but using the snakeoil salesman to talk about other fraudsters is a bit hypocritical.

[NSResponder]

Yeah, chiropractors are quacks, and that has something to do with why they're susceptible to Hubbard's hogwash. They already practice a pseudo-scientific trade, and they often believe their own blather. Not much of a jump then to believing someone else's blather.

-jcr

[Pityanonymous]

NSR .. you cant really be that stupid can you cupcake? Oh ...(giggle) ... I guess you can! EPIC MORON!!!

[NSResponder]

I guess your handlers didn't explain to you that those of us who aren't in the nut-cult don't just fold up and cringe when you toss off remarks like "epic moron", even if you put it in all caps, and add three exclamation points.

If you want to get my goat, you'll have to do better than that.

-jcr

[Pityanonymous]

Boy I hate to kill your "OSA" conspiracy but its just me putting you in your place. I have your attention and that is all the goat I need. I'm making you think & respond. Now I just have to wake you up ....

[NSResponder]

"me putting you in your place."

How long have you had these delusions?

-jcr

[Pityanonymous]

Ever since I started whipping your ass in here.

[NSResponder]

You know, I remember a clambot from several years ago, who used to hang out on alt.religion.scientology, parading his insanity and proclaiming that he was defeating everyone he argued with. Was that you, or do all you clambots practice that silly habit?

-jcr

[pepero366]

it blows my mind how "intelligent" people can just quit using their neurones when they hear such words as God, Christ, Jehovah, or Allah.

[LooseScrewProduction]

Humans have always looked up at the skys and wondered, why am I here? And the funny thing is that the more that we learn about our reality, the more questions arise. It's like a little kid who continually asks his parents 'but why?' For ever answer the parent gives the kid can still ask 'but why?' and this is the main reason that people seek out a higher power. God, allah, L. Ron. whoever it is that the person believes in they believe in them for the same reason: the hope of gaining answers

[Sparkanoid1]

Texas has ceased the tax exemption status and religious status of the Cult of $cientology.

As Homer Simpson would say:

WOO HOO

[MyHabbits]

Go Texas! YEE-HAAAWW!!! *fires his revolvers and dances*

[MyHabbits]

Go Texas! YEE-HAAAWW!!! *fires his revolvers and dances*

[tt247jer]

well that might be the first good thing Texas has done. I've always said, there are three groups you don't mess with: Blacks, Jews, ...and now I guess Texas! By no means I am comparing the civil rights struggle of Jewish people and Black people to Texas. Well... anyways my point is, Scientology hasn't yet really messed with Jews or African Americans, but if they do, they are going down!

[anonazero]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!

i'm from texas...

and im fuggin proud

[soMEauSSiEBEaN]

- this hasn't been passed yet, it has been put forward that their tax exemption be revoked. - as other posters on various forums have said, that alone is a major step forward.

[leereyno]

Scientology is a criminal mafia-like organization whose sole purpose is to defraud and enslave its victims.

[panasonic5000]

TAX THE CULT

[NotSoOldHippy]

Chiropractice is as big a fraud as Scientology.

[11Jamie11]

"Chiropractice is as big a fraud as Scientology."

I can personally attest that that is not true. I was having back spasms which were increasing over the course of (IIRC; been a few years now) a couple of weeks. One adjustment made by a chiropractor _instantly_ stopped them and they never returned.

There certainly may be quacks in the field, but that's not what you said.

[derrike50]

Chiropractic is definitely not a fraud. It has helped me quite a bit. I know for a fact, however that my chiropractor is into scientology. He use's LRH and has all his books for sale. It's quite a shame to see some bright and brilliant person so led astray.

[silbitnuoc]

Agree. I have gone to a Chiropracter twice, for several visits each instance, and it helped my back greatly. Once after being rear-ended and the second when someone accidentally injured me during a fall. I think most people connect them with ambulance-chasers, and some people may abuse that for insurance scams but I think they are legit. I have not had to return to chiro for more than 11 years.

[pleiades10]

It always amazes me how intelligent people can be fooled by the cult. Do they think it is actually a church just because it says "church" of scientology? Are they so naive and gullible?

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity, or religion. It is a cult, whatever it calls itself. Everyone should know about this cult by now, how dangerous and destructive it is, and that it uses mind control and brainwashing. They threaten, harass, slander and blackmail. They will ruin you if they can.

[fatalrob0t]

I agree to a point. Church does not automatically make Christianity. A church is a place of worship. Scientology isn't a religion, they do not worship anything really other than L. Ron like a God. At best, Scientology can be described as a philosophy on life. But really, Scientology is whole heartedly a cult and can not even get close to those other definitions.

[TheT113]

Scientology worships money.

[tremedar]

On that first paragraph there pleiades, that is a common occurence among all religions*. Their founders all tell you that god exists because he says he exists....and their followers believe it, few to no questions asked, usually the latter.

*Yes, I know Scientology is a cult, but for so long as it's labeled a religion, people who fall into its trap will treat it as one, and Xenu is as real and as important to them as any god of any religion.

[lemuelbecc]

This guy speak well. Makes good points.

[Uroshnor]

"There's always another ring. You never reach the point where you finish. There's always something else that keeps coming up. Like once you finish one service, then they promote another service to you."

It sounds like he's talking about World of Warcraft.

[lemuelbecc]

Except even more droll.

[Naquiem]

Thats more expensive than a crack addiction lol

[jxhensley]

Scientology told the IRS that WISE was just a trademark repository that would be dissolved at some future date.

It's been 15 years since then.

[BayerLexan]

If your stupid enough to fall for scientology crap, then may you reap the rewards of such an affiliation.

[jxhensley]

I really get sick of hearing this line. THEY DON'T GIVE YOU THE STUPID SCI-FI CRAP THE FIRST TIME YOU WALK IN THE DOOR.

[BayerLexan]

If you haven't figured out that all organized 'religions' are basically a different version of all the same scam, then you are stupid. Any person with the slightest wits should pick up on the oppressive control the organization radiates. And if you where foolish enough not to look into the group before joining then you are even dumber. People are just too willing to be stupid in the first place, for the sake of some miraculous benefit.

[agent00x]

the difference between organised religion and scientology is that organised religion does not force you to pay to learn about the faith you are practicing, and allow you to speak freely about your faith. Scientology forces you to pay to learn about what you believe, and when you find out what the faith is about, you're kept silenced.

[BayerLexan]

Apparently you are completely ignorant of most religions. Ever hear of "mormon"? They have a mandatory tithe and are as much concerned about censorship of their religion as scientology.

[JBTS9]

lol

Learn what your talking about before you post please, it saves you from looking like an idiot.

[BayerLexan]

Are you refuting my claim that mormons are have similar practices to scientologist? I'm unsure if your 'lol' comment means you agree with me, or not.

[soMEauSSiEBEaN]

- most if not all religions have tithes and always have. the problem is that tithes, in my opinoin, were based on churches (as an example) having no funding other than charity. however today, most church bodies have some form of income earning business(es). - the point about Mormons, there is alot of videos about their beliefs on YouTube. as well as their, interesting (if thats the right word) history.

[soMEauSSiEBEaN]

- as far as spirituality. it is a personal decision. the question isn't wheather its' right, but rather, is it right for me and am i right for it. - the debate of trying to deny someone their faith, to just be right, can have dire consequences, and vice versa (ie: the choice to not have spirituality). so again, it is a personal decision. - moral and code of conduct are part of my religious understanding. denied of that i would see the world in a different light an without consequence.

[dopehousex3]

Want to make money? Start a Cult then brain wash people and take all there money then when they question it tell them its your Religion and "What are there crimes?" LOL :}

[AnonAnon113]

UR CRIMES!!!!

Wut r tehy?

[virus1244]

great meme

[AnonAnon113]

UR CRIMES!!!!

Wut r tehy?

[Medhiv83]

maybe we should start treating the words "cult" and "religion" as one and the same, coz at it's core the only thing that separates them is their size ... as for me i see no reason why a bullshit-story (no matter how good) should be relieved of taxes just because it claims the impossible over the small prize of your sanity >> bs is bs and should also be treated like it, without exemption (!)

hopefully the hard work of people mark and others will pay off one day

[stevogvsu]

Size and degree of cultural acceptance.

[11Jamie11]

"maybe we should start treating the words "cult" and "religion" as one and the same, coz at it's core the only thing that separates them is their size "

False. Please look up these words and remedy your ignorance.

Emotion directed at me for pointing out your ignorance is irrelevant and will be ignored.

[ncsupres]

co-founders of the cult of scientology are tax and probate attorneys. one was a former assistant to the commissioner of the IRS. there should be an internal investigation of the IRS

[panasonic5000]

TAX THE CULT

[FPsupertoaster]

MMORE LIKE KILL IT

[HisRoyalDudeliness]

Tax all "religion".

[chisau]

ah..no.

most religion are solidly based way before the concept of government and taxes where created. All NEW religion should be taxed. because most of the new ones are scams.

[whois1957]

actually, I'm not sure any religion still practiced today predates taxation. Keep in mind that Joseph and Mary were supposedly travelling to Bethlehem to register for a new tax, after all.

[BlackKingX]

Most religions aren't trying to MAKE money and don't charge a fee. Most religions only gather donations for charities and maybe fixing up their church(Ie. Buying new instruments for the church or better chairs.)

[Anonanonanonymous]

most? Not any that I can think of.

Judaism, Christianity, Islam, even all the Asian religions came about AFTER the formation of cities and countries, so I'm pretty sure there were Political Leaders and taxes.

And by "most of the new ones" do you mean post Christian Reformation? Or even post 1800? (post 1800 would be a good cut-off)

There is no reason to ban it as a personal philosophy, but it isn't a religion, and does not qualify or deserve tax exempt status.

[NikitaLion]

WUT R UR CRIMES!

[HisRoyalDudeliness]

You either tax none of them or all of them.

[graph180]

Wow, this just makes my blood run cold. The Co$ MUST be made to pay for their crimes.

[NikitaLion]

join the party