Emotive debate threatens review process

[sanityscurse]

just kill all the babies. there are too many humans the way it is

[sanityscurse]

just kill all the babies. there are two many people on earth anyway.

[laughlintwins]

This is why I believe the healthcare thing is important. These young girls that get pregnant without thinking have no where else to turn.

I understand its a touchy subject.

I wish they would stop.

[laughlintwins]

Patdisel.

Got your message. Very happy to see that you care. I was actually being spiteful after hearing that they were not doing anything to stop this, so, I ran to a pro life site like this and distributed the contact information for abortion in WA. I was just trying to put thier info out there cause I was pissed off. I really feel sore about the emotions those mother lack to have thier baby sucked out.

Its sad, and out of my hands. I hope you keep fighting for the children in the womb.

[Patdisel]

Seems you might have some insight from upstairs. lol Who told you in God's eyes abortion and lying are similar?? There is no justification in arbitrarily destroying a life in a mother's womb unless the mother's life is in danger or the pregnancy is due to rape. Your example of Arab women and changing times is irrelevant to the issue of Abortion.

[goo1358]

@Patdiesel.. As long as people are having sex before marriages, abortion will continue. Then it will go underground and quacks + people will start dying for no reason. Culture is changing and we have to go with the flow. In Saudi Arabia women do not vote, they can't leave the house w/a man but Saudi's King realized the cultural shift and started a mixed school.boys and girls in Saudi!!!! When asked why he wants to allow gays in military Colin Powell said the culture has changed

[Patdisel]

Once again you cannot put abortion in the same category as saudi women suffrage and don't ask don't tell military policies. Abortion involves terminating a life and cannot blindly be deemed as part of a cultural tide. What's ignorant is how you compare abortion with other cultural transformations that are of lesser magnitude. Abortion should be legalized only in special circumstances.

[goo1358]

The POPE has refused to accept the use of condoms, birth control pills by his church. That is ignorance. I don't agree with abortion the only thing I'm against is the church meddling with the constitution that is why religion and state should be separate.

[Patdisel]

The churches job is to prevent the devils way's from infiltrating society under the guise of constitutional rights. Devils advocates will keep on defending the wrongs of society by having them ratified or repealed in the constitution. It is up to the church to protect the people from diabolic actions permeating within society.

[Patdisel]

It should not be legalized for fear of quacks and the risk of death for the aborter because they are are commiting a like kind act of causing a death. Kill by the sword die by the sword. We cannot legalize drugs because of the cultural demand or because of the fear of illegal drug trade. We all know that if something is readily available or legally permissible in society the more it will proliferate.

[goo1358]

about 8 months ago an 8 year old kid was raped and impregnated by her step father in brazil. Brazil being catholic protested because the doctor gave that child an abortion for health reasons. They church did not care that she was RAPED!!! they were only concerned with her not having a baby. Lets say she was raped at 30 and could have a baby and such a law on abortion existed are we going to force her to have a baby with the same man banging her mother? ie having your father's child?

[Patdisel]

I don't think the church should be totally intolerant of abortion especially when it involves aforementioned cases rape or life endangerment. But if a woman mutualy agrees to have consentual sex with a man and gets pregnant she should not be allowed to discard the fetus as easily as going to the toilet to take a shit.

[goo1358]

Good point. but the problem is that the church takes hard line positions that are non negotiable. If they pass law defining life and banning abortion, rape victims like that 8 year old from Brazil will suffer. That is why these guys should not meddle in the constitution. Too many vested interests. We are writing a new constitution bcoz Kenyatta and cronies wrote a document with their own selfish interest. If we are not careful we may re-write another one in a few years to come.

[samatar44]

legalization of abortion will increase HIV rate. pple may take sex for granted.

[siasabora]

The current crop of population has offered nil solutions to the society. Could be the hope for Kenya lies in some woman womb...and soon that Hope will be sucked out using a vacuum and thrown into the garbage.

[goo1358]

@siasabora...what will you tell a woman who gets raped and becomes pregnant. As a man who can't get pregnant can you make a decision for her to keep a child by force to haunt her for the rest of her life? seriously? or a woman who gets pregnant and the man runs away from her leaving her with no job, money or food. Banning abortion won't stop abortion. No woman ever gets pregnant to get an abortion. it takes 2 to make a baby. Most guys opt to take off than take care of a child they do not want.

[siasabora]

a valid point on rape. why do we sentence to death the baby in the womb? what crime did it commit? How many rape cases turn out pregnant? OK I suggest let special courts determine to terminate pregnancies only on medical grounds. 2, absent fathers should be rigorously followed up and made to pay for upbringing plus attach the dad's inheritance,if any, to their children.

[goo1358]

@siasabora....good point. but find a woman who has been raped, who has to carry that unwanted baby in her womb for 9 months and explain her your point. That is not a choice I make for her

[benadede]

Abortion in Kenya as elsewhere in the world is an everyday reality whether it is legalized or not.

[laughlintwins]

If you want an abortion in WA DC.

Talk to the professionals.

202-419-1444 1625 K. St N.W. #1020, or:

Planned Parenthood

(202) 347-8512 1108 16th st NW

Washington DC

[Patdisel]

@laughlintwins Since you are a staunch advocate for abortion, why don't you bring yourself forward first to be aborted from the face of the earth and see if you will be in comformity with it.

[goo1358]

@Patdiesel ..while at it why don't you also recommencd that they pass a law that defines marriage between man and woman. Do you think that will stop people from being gay? Banning abortion won't stop abortion.Period!! The only way you can stop abortion is to ban sex...tis that possible!

[Patdisel]

Ofcourse it will not stop but it should not be condoned. Nothing declared illegal by law ever stops but it can be contained by making it law so that people can mindful of their actions. Their is no law that is followed to the letter. Laws are broken all the time but enforcement helps mitigate social vices which if not checked can spiral out of control, and trust me my friend you don't want to live in a lawless society.

[goo1358]

@patdiesel....you cannot legislate a good heart. The heart is the most evil thing. You have to recognize that society is changing. Saudi Arabia is lead by sharia law and men and women are no allowed to mix. right? But the country is realizing that times are changing i was shocked to know that there is a university in Saudi Arabia where men and women mix and they don't have to wear cover themselves.