YOu guys that are saying these pros go easy on them and that the americans suck well listen Bill is a ex pro football player and a trained Pro wrestler not that gay ass wwe shit, Jason is a pro MMA fighter trained in jui jutsu, kick boxing etc.. The pros are not going easy on them Bill and jason are actually good! Give credit where credit is do.
@HelloTravis23 you can tell there not giving it there best though i mean the black dude was takeing it easy. he new he only had a week to train so he had some respect and didnt kick his ass
lol kicks to head give 4 points and to the side 2. Bill never hit him there. Just with consecutive punches, which didn´t even hit most of the time -.-
But I get it, I offended you and I shouldnt have generalized about all ppl on YouTube who like debating and cussing about martial arts, I meant to call out rickames, baskorvv, don't get offended if it's not you
@maphitha1 Well that's something else, isn't it? You should always be particular about statements...Also I would like to point out that debating is fine and justified while "cussing" isn't...There, now doesn't it feel good to be on the same side?:-))
@Alexus333 i think I got it now. Bill doesn't have the proper background (even though he gave the champ a run for his money), I wrongly assumed ppl on YouTube fake martial arts expertise, cuz that never happens,
@maphitha1 My friend, I don't know who exactly you are referring to, what exactly you understand by "starting fights online", also what your age is and most of all what your area of expertise is, but first of all, should you cruise just a few fight forums you will realise that quite a few martial arts practitioners and trainers/experts will get into arguments with one another primarily given the differences between their styles...
@maphitha1(now don't understand that I'm trying to say that everybody here is an expert, that would be just wrong, wouldn't it? ;-))) ).Secondly, should you read at least some of the messages here, you would notice that, except for a few unfortunate disapprovals of the great art of savate,nobody is criticizing the martial arts, but Bill's incompetence as a fighter (NOT the savateur's), because the dude is just big and clumsy,he hasn't got the proper background, he shouldn't be here...Got it now?
If you notice something about the final fights it's that Bill seams to do better than Jason for the most part (yes Bill got knocked in Taekwondo) but he seems to do better in his fights. Which is strange in a way because Jason has way more martial arts experience and pro fights than Bill. But when it's time to fight Bill holds his own if not does really good for someone who came into this with very little knowledge compared to Jason
i practice french box already for a decade and if someone can say that the white guy suck, after he had the balls to stand in a ring with a proffesional french boxing ex-champion, it have no idea what is talking about. Bill made more than acceptable job for have just maybe 7 days days of training before this battle, french box is a martial art that require a lot of concentration and each second reduce your energy and breath in a considerable way.
thaught it was a bit fun that the champion got 2-3 plain hits to Bills chin,but they didnt seem that strong. I REALISE that they must ahd hurt soo hard, but i thaught those can ussually knock someone out. Or atleast make em fall down
Man, no disrespect to what these guys are doing... I've been training shotokan karate, kickboxing and jiu-jitsu all my life, and this fight looks very bad to me in terms of kickboxing... maybe i just don't understand savate...
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Are you fucking stupid? Can you not use google? Of course there are differences. People like you piss me off. Punch yourself in the face for me, you mentally retarded dumbfuck.
Why the hostility?!?! I politely asked you to use google next time. No need for your hatred.
Anyways, Savate is different than kickboxing. For one thing, shoes are worn. While it may seem insignificant, it is actually a drastic change compared to fighting barefoot. Also, there are no shin kicks, elbows (which is allowed in muay thai), or knees. Only the feet and hands may be used to strike. Also, no clinching like in muay thai.
you're absolutly right, it's funny when you know what you are talking about, like when you for instance practiced both martial arts, people call you a retard and you get a certain anymosity.
I come from kickboxing/thaiboxing, and now I train savat. it's different. the distance, the blocking, the uppercuts, the hooks, the way we kick. It's similar, but it's diffrent. so maybe you should shut it.
the blocking is different, and you kick with the tip of youre feet, you realy stick it in, in kickboxing you kick with shin and the curve of you're feet.
ha lol, read before responding, I just wanted to point out in savate you learn to stick the tip of your foot in to the opponent, and I already mentioned I came from Kick/thai boxing, I got influenced by both, so somethimes I kicked with the shinbone and sometimes with the foot, I also had some karate influence on how to stand and how not to stand. I just pointed out the differences between kick/thai and savate, so maybe you should check before commenting dumb stuff
kick/thai boxing is the worst to mix up ... its better if u just do thaiboxing... beacuse there are maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany differences between kickboxing and thaiboxing .... i have been training real Muay thai both in thailand and here in Sweden... My friend is training only kickboxing and he is using the foot to kick.. so i dont know what you are talking about...
why is a mix up bad, take the best of many different styles, make them all you're own. you will be a much well rounded fighter when you do. I am aware of the differences you keep pointing out, you give me shit for telling stuff that I know from my own experience training in DIFFERENT styles, so maybe you should just be quite right now
dude .... wow .... kickboxing is small part of thaiboxing... when u train thaiboxing u know all kickboxing .. beacuse there is maaaany different techniques in thaiboxing...
and btw ... U can be Muay thai pro and black belt BJJ to be PRO MMA u dont need anything else ..
That really shows how much you know about MMA. What about wrestling? That includes: collegiate, greco-roman, and freestyle. A Greco-Roman wrestler can negate a Thai boxer easily (see Couture v. Vera) and take him down for some GnP. I've seen dozens of matches where a wrestler has controlled a BJJ blackbelt (Fitch v. Paulo Thiago). There's many aspects to MMA so it's foolish to conclude that Muay Thai and BJJ are the only things you need.
I will quote you, "Learn before writing something ..."
U cant prove that a wrestler can control BJJ on ground .. the fighters that you have wrote are ALL ROUNDED they know everything they dont just know one thing ..
and you just need BJJ and Muay Thai .. Standing ?? best standing ever.. Ground ?? you just need BJJ ....
Wrestling is more to take down a fighter and have better balance ..
baskorw, go look up Kazushi Sakuraba or Gokor Chivichyan. Sakuraba dominated the entire Gracie family with catch wrestling, and Gokor Chivichyan has a 200-0 record in grappling, specializing in Sambo.
The strikes (punches and kicks) have to be landed in a very clean and technique manner with the tip of the shoe ou upper part of the foot, in addition to lowkicks, there are also front and side kicks to the legs and one "coup de pied bas" to the shinbone.
Because of the technique needed to make some points and to not get awarning for iregular move they don't have as much KOs as kb or tb, but those they have will mostly be cleaner than in any style above.
It's so damn obvious that the savateur is pulling his punches. Normally he would have dropped him with one blow or one kick. With the American's lack of skill and guard, the savateur would have normally brought him to his knees with one well laid punch or kick, or at most with a two strike combo...But...Long live entertainment....
Hey "evil" boy, read the comment again and this time try to UNDERSTAND what I am saying....If you're not very good with English let me spell it out for you: I was saying that the SAVATEUR, that is the couloured guy, is not fighting full force, not that savate is weak, as u so briliantly understood. I am a kickboxer, I couldn't say that about Savate. Pay more attention before YOU write crap...
I don't think there are specially held matches between savateurs and kick boxers, but, as you know, kb is an open martial art and any fighter is welcome to join a contest if they are up to it, regardless of their background.
@mattman694 lol I feel you dude, but trust me, if the American has been standing for as long as he did it's because the other guy kind of forgave him on a few occasions, which is quite explicable, given that the white guy's fighting experience is limted to wrestling, that is grappling; and if you look closely you'll see exactly which those occasions were...Hell, the black guy even looks like more of a killer than the other one in my book, so...Long live entertainment, again! lol
@Alexus333 i hate how this show expects people t believe that 2 Americans can go around the world train for week and be able to go tit for tat with fighters with years of training under their belt. entertainment yes but not entertaining to real fighters and people who love martial arts.
@neo19dude You'll get no argument from me on that side brother, no one expects a near novice to really go toe to toe with a real martial arts champion, but why then not choose both fighters with a significant background behind them, I mean at least like the other guy, the smaller one who's got some competing experience in mma I think...Or a better example yet would be the Contender show: only real boxers get selected to star in the show with real trainers at their side...Get my drift?
how can you say he sucks..he goes to a foreing country trains in a new martial art for a week with no previous training and then has to fight a Pro. cut the guy some slack
Bill doesn't really show that much skill when it comes to grappling either, Jason's bjj background overtakes his wresling aptitude. Bill is simply big, let's face it. Jason tends to be more of a technical fighter, while Bill is more like a brawling bull...Not very graceful, but proud of his mass:-))). I don't know if u saw the pankration episode, where after kick-breaking a shield on a second try he yells: " Yeeeoooh, American ,muscle wins everytime!":-)))))
It's ok dude, it's no sweat now :-) I see we're from different hemispheres:-), you're from Singapore, I'm from Romania, Bucharest. Right now I'm doing sambo, a mixed Russian martial art that combines boxing, kb, and grappling techique from freestyle wrestling, judo and a few other fighting styles from the former USSR states.
I've got a background in kb, judo, shotokan, and just a little bjj, but sambo feels really complete, like the real deal, I'd recommand it to anyone searching for mma. I'm really glad to have found a gym near wher I live. What about you, how long have u been doing mhuay thay? U got any other background, done anything else before?
@Alexus333 im doing mt since 1.5 years and i have a backroung of wrestling and im a pro swimmer now so i dont train mt so much any more (may be 1 a week)
hahahaha... damn did u guys see bill get knocked the fuck out by that TKD guy? if u see the raw video... he is out for like...5 mins..... hahaha.. and tat big black guy couldnt take him down? weak.....
hes a big and clumsy guy, how the hell is he going to throw a spinning round kick? hes better built for boxing, wrestling, and thrashing. and calling a fighter weak? i dont see any videos on your profile showing that you can do anything at all ;D
im not saying he should do a spinning round kick... what im saying is.. if ur a PRO fighter... and u fight against a AMATUER fighter... it shouldnt be a contest.... thats wat im saying..... and yess ur right.... maybe they should give me my own show......
i cant do anything at all..... ummmm okay... u sure like to judge people u never met or kno anything about me... but yet u lay a good judgement down huh? The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance.. but the illusion of knowledge.
and tats all u have... a illusion of knowledge.... im not sitting here and saying ur some stupid ass fag ... cause i dont kno anything about u... but yet u percieve to know things about me... to me.... its already telling me tat u are stupid....hahahahahaha...
youre doing the same thing, "u sure like to judge people u neve met or kno anything about me..." you were dissing the guy and i called you out because you are an even worse fighter. i dont know anything about you? youre just another asshole who thinks hes tough when hes on the internet. you have no proof that you know any martial arts or fighting styles and you rag on this guy. thats why i replied to you.
nooo wat i based on callin u stupid is cause u said stupid things........ wat i said... dosent prove my skills at all... no matter wat... for all u kno im fucken anderson silva .... but u kno wat i kno about u.... u say stupid shit,.. which makes u stupid.... RIGHT? u dont kno wat i can do or not doo...... but i kno u say stupid shit...... right? so im not juding from nothing... im judging from wat u are saying.... ur judging me... from NOTHING... how can u judge wat i can do..
well if we are judging each others intelligence by what the other says, then based on how you spell, you must be pretty stupid... ive given you several opportunites to defend your fighting experience but you have yet to give any proof... you say stupid things and by that i can come to the conclusion that you, yourself are very stupid.
hahahaha oooooo i see... u wanted PROOF... over the youtube comment system.... of my "fighting...experiecenss" hahaha okay.... well i do have a background in judo... and i was in highschool wrestling for 4 years... so ground work is definately my game.... but shit i could also say im fucken superman...... and ill destroy tis guy with the laser from my eyes.... hahaha is tis guy kidding me? all i have to do.. is do a take down on tis guy... get out of his gaurd... its over.....
usually people prove things on youtube by... oh i dont know? posting videos? hey! thats a great idea! so youve done judo and wrestling? so you say? and you think that you could take these guys? hahaha ;D oh it must be nice to live in denial.
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yeaa whatever makes u feel better buddy...... hahahaha..... cause ur such a expert when it comes to fighting right? hahahaha... keep feeding ur illusion of knowledge...... hahahahaha
for all u kno im fucken anderson silva... those were your words and they kind of apply to me to. but im going to end this discussion because i dont like the thought of you wanking off to the attention your dumbass gets on youtube. have a nice day fucktard ;D
shut the hell up... if you guys are really a Martial Artist or a MMA... then you wouldn´t show off and say you can do it better!!!! Martial Artist are well disceplined!!!
FrancMatrakeur, Your an idiot for thinking this will save your ass in a street fight. If your fighting in a ring with strict rules about where or how you can even hit your opponent kudos to you. But in a actual street fight against a experienced fighter? LOL. Im going to grab those kicked and put you in a leg bar and snap your kneecaps. 1:23 You come and hug me like that in a fight? thats a knee into your solarplexus. 1:46 see how open his chest is? Thats a take down there.
I'm tired of this streetfight argument, if streetfighters are so great why do they suck at nhb fights before the MMA orgs even had rules. Fact is, a well conditioned and well trained MMA fighter will win in a street fights every time. Remember, jujitsu was made by practicing in street fights.
Savate Danse De Rue, which is a more aggressive form of savate is taught as a form of self defense and basically is a street-fight style martial art. You don't know shit about savate, a lot of MMA fighters practice savate. I know for a fact that you aren't really an MMA fighter.
And furthermore just check out UFC 1 if you love MMA so much. Gerard Gordeau, a savate-only fighter made it to the finals in what was basically a street fight since back then UFC had no rules at all. He only lost to a BJJ master, coincidentally another style that people bash for not being good in street fights.
Actually this is Boxe Francaise. A kind of "cool" savate style more used like for competition. So of course their are rules. But if a guy like that knows how to kick some ass without grabing any leg, he know how to kick ass with leg grabing. It's logique. Anyway I practice Savate sinse I'm 13, I'm now 21 for 220 pounds and trust me, this art works against ALL other martial art. Their is no perfect combat style, but this one is very good though
"fighting against all odds just for survival"?!? what sort of a noob wrote this dribble?:)) sounds like an idiotic National Geographic documentary for morons without something to do
modern savate's like full-contact, you can see the influence of kickboxing, if u consider that the first full-contact competitions took place in France in 1970s thanks to Dominique Valera
Are you saying that boxing of the 30s and modern boxing are the same stuff? Nah...Savate is different too, if you consider the past matches. Valera influenced it, and the style studied by count Pierre Barozzi (not Baruzy: his origin was Venetian, Italian) was a different thing.
Let me say that the tactics/work is absolutely the same, and that the French Savateurs of the 70s studied boxe americaine (that's full contact), shotokan and goju karate (Oyama's style was unknown) because their method was too light, or a sort of semi-contact. They didn't fight for real. But in 1980-90 many instructors experienced in oriental martial arts spread a different concept about savate, inventing/showing a sort of muaythai (e.g. see panther production old videos). That's not Savate.
He was taking it easy on him. If you think that all these guys jason and bill are fighting go full force you are mistaken. Bill never really looking in control its just the other guys letting up on him and his fighting style seems to be moving back and picking his shots.
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if THAT guy is though ... then the bald white guy is a raw pussy ... i hate americans and their false shitty shows ... i laughfed for 30 min after seeing this ... apropos ...... savate is a fecal of the french ........ FUCK FRANCE , FUCK AMERICA
wooooh chill out mr ku klux klan. It's just two sportsment in a combat sport. Get some counseling <----AHAHAHAH lol sorry dude just merley sayin come on dude look at it for cryin out loud...look at the black guy...whenever that reff JUST steps away he takes a swing like a sucker? doess he not?
Why does everyone think these fights are rigged, bill and jason each have over a decade of martial arts experience at the least check out their videos at the history channel website. it's not like this is their first fight, so stop being an idiot (if that's possible) and accept the outcome of this fight.
2:28 That's why you dont drop your hands in a fist fight O.o
Although its Bill kinda got tricked by Isa into dropping his hands but its still funny
andrew33323 8 months ago
this is more like a sparring than a match... champ could knock him out if he wanted to do so.
xTJx93 11 months ago
YOu guys that are saying these pros go easy on them and that the americans suck well listen Bill is a ex pro football player and a trained Pro wrestler not that gay ass wwe shit, Jason is a pro MMA fighter trained in jui jutsu, kick boxing etc.. The pros are not going easy on them Bill and jason are actually good! Give credit where credit is do.
HelloTravis23 11 months ago
@HelloTravis23 you can tell there not giving it there best though i mean the black dude was takeing it easy. he new he only had a week to train so he had some respect and didnt kick his ass
sethfan1000000 11 months ago
savate is not cool martial art... look like a mix of everything a nothing on the same time.
pocosreyes 11 months ago
hahah whoever told Jason that savate was an aristocratic sport?
Onesimus620 11 months ago
wtf is savate?
roverman540 11 months ago
@roverman540 French kickboxing
dragonfist25 1 week ago
lol kicks to head give 4 points and to the side 2. Bill never hit him there. Just with consecutive punches, which didn´t even hit most of the time -.-
Odium1002 1 year ago
But I get it, I offended you and I shouldnt have generalized about all ppl on YouTube who like debating and cussing about martial arts, I meant to call out rickames, baskorvv, don't get offended if it's not you
maphitha1 1 year ago
@maphitha1 Well that's something else, isn't it? You should always be particular about statements...Also I would like to point out that debating is fine and justified while "cussing" isn't...There, now doesn't it feel good to be on the same side?:-))
Alexus333 1 year ago
@Alexus333 i think I got it now. Bill doesn't have the proper background (even though he gave the champ a run for his money), I wrongly assumed ppl on YouTube fake martial arts expertise, cuz that never happens,
maphitha1 1 year ago
@Alexus333 the real experts don't start fights online and don't talk trash about martial arts online or in eal
maphitha1 1 year ago
@maphitha1 My friend, I don't know who exactly you are referring to, what exactly you understand by "starting fights online", also what your age is and most of all what your area of expertise is, but first of all, should you cruise just a few fight forums you will realise that quite a few martial arts practitioners and trainers/experts will get into arguments with one another primarily given the differences between their styles...
Alexus333 1 year ago
@maphitha1(now don't understand that I'm trying to say that everybody here is an expert, that would be just wrong, wouldn't it? ;-))) ).Secondly, should you read at least some of the messages here, you would notice that, except for a few unfortunate disapprovals of the great art of savate,nobody is criticizing the martial arts, but Bill's incompetence as a fighter (NOT the savateur's), because the dude is just big and clumsy,he hasn't got the proper background, he shouldn't be here...Got it now?
Alexus333 1 year ago
Good fight bald mens
deolozo2008 1 year ago
normally that right he did to his chin should have knocked him out. props to bill he got a tough chin to take that.
ty99999returns 1 year ago
Can anybody tell me what about keyboards and YouTube makes people think they're black belts?
maphitha1 1 year ago
@maphitha1 :-) But how do you know some of those people aren't?
Alexus333 1 year ago
This is a Savate champion? I'm not impressed!
rickames 1 year ago
@rickames What do you expect? It was invented by the French! :)
smileyman455 1 year ago
@smileyman455 hey shut the fuck up.
imnotokeither 1 year ago
@rickames obviously he's not a champion OR he's not fighting at 100%
darkjadore75 1 year ago
TUCK YOUR CHIN DUFF
devourerofbabies 1 year ago
its a lot like K1 Kickboxing
samwalsh96 1 year ago
Really wish they hadn't canceled this show, a Sumo episode would have been awesome!
TheSATTTT 1 year ago 3
i want to see Human Weapon vs Fight Quest! Prediction... FIGHT QUEST WINS!!!
ziferzero77 1 year ago
@ziferzero77
It already happened in 2006. Jimmy Smith beat Jason Chambers in an MMA match.
dragonfist25 1 year ago
@dragonfist25 what really! omg wheres the vid? i wanna seeee!
ziferzero77 1 year ago
@ziferzero77
It's not on youtube. I'm sure the video would be hard to come by.
dragonfist25 1 year ago
lol before he tries savate again he should work on his flexibility. those kicks are kind of pathetic. And it´s not realy savate.
Gotta give him credit though, for trying.
Odium1002 1 year ago
the guy had balls to step into the ring, i wonder if that was the other guys 100%
ALIENstupid 1 year ago
man that right hook was devastating
badassreinitz 1 year ago
if he was puling punches, bill's skin wouldnt have flapped like that.
dhtjlghks 1 year ago
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If you notice something about the final fights it's that Bill seams to do better than Jason for the most part (yes Bill got knocked in Taekwondo) but he seems to do better in his fights. Which is strange in a way because Jason has way more martial arts experience and pro fights than Bill. But when it's time to fight Bill holds his own if not does really good for someone who came into this with very little knowledge compared to Jason
TheMr28Leo 1 year ago
every episode they go easy on them
Henza9218 1 year ago
The guys in Human weapons aren't humble like Jimmy and Doug in Fight Quest
BLUTONIUMBERRY1 1 year ago 8
I HOPE NO ONE HURD OUR STRATEGY
sangwria 1 year ago
That one was actually quite good, pulled punches or not.
EPR89 1 year ago
i would love to learn this style. does anyone of you guys know a place in california to learn this
wtf28 1 year ago
i practice french box already for a decade and if someone can say that the white guy suck, after he had the balls to stand in a ring with a proffesional french boxing ex-champion, it have no idea what is talking about. Bill made more than acceptable job for have just maybe 7 days days of training before this battle, french box is a martial art that require a lot of concentration and each second reduce your energy and breath in a considerable way.
Cribocop 1 year ago 5
WTF?... it's always a tie on this show.
JustUs8663 1 year ago
The ppl talking shit on him saying he sucks are prob fat kids at their comps shoveing their faces with food.
SteVeYG215 1 year ago 7
savate's awesome
Celtiqfrost 1 year ago
wow similar to kickboxing
wwechamp7 2 years ago
you guys had all my respect, i really enjoy you show, you too really have heart...
lcd1972 2 years ago
thaught it was a bit fun that the champion got 2-3 plain hits to Bills chin,but they didnt seem that strong. I REALISE that they must ahd hurt soo hard, but i thaught those can ussually knock someone out. Or atleast make em fall down
mrcrazymaann 2 years ago
Man, no disrespect to what these guys are doing... I've been training shotokan karate, kickboxing and jiu-jitsu all my life, and this fight looks very bad to me in terms of kickboxing... maybe i just don't understand savate...
agim000 2 years ago
Bill did really well
supertarzan12 2 years ago
is it just the same as normal kickboxing except its french or are there some differences.
effers22 2 years ago
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Are you fucking stupid? Can you not use google? Of course there are differences. People like you piss me off. Punch yourself in the face for me, you mentally retarded dumbfuck.
WorldPeace4All6 2 years ago
yer i used google and i saw no difference exept its french, so shut it.
effers22 2 years ago
Why the hostility?!?! I politely asked you to use google next time. No need for your hatred.
Anyways, Savate is different than kickboxing. For one thing, shoes are worn. While it may seem insignificant, it is actually a drastic change compared to fighting barefoot. Also, there are no shin kicks, elbows (which is allowed in muay thai), or knees. Only the feet and hands may be used to strike. Also, no clinching like in muay thai.
WorldPeace4All6 2 years ago
you're absolutly right, it's funny when you know what you are talking about, like when you for instance practiced both martial arts, people call you a retard and you get a certain anymosity.
CommercialDisrespect 2 years ago
I come from kickboxing/thaiboxing, and now I train savat. it's different. the distance, the blocking, the uppercuts, the hooks, the way we kick. It's similar, but it's diffrent. so maybe you should shut it.
CommercialDisrespect 2 years ago
the blocking is different, and you kick with the tip of youre feet, you realy stick it in, in kickboxing you kick with shin and the curve of you're feet.
CommercialDisrespect 2 years ago
retard u dont kick with the shin in kickboxing ..... you kick with your foot ..
in Muay thai u kick with the shinbone ...
Learn before writing something ...
baskorvv 2 years ago
ha lol, read before responding, I just wanted to point out in savate you learn to stick the tip of your foot in to the opponent, and I already mentioned I came from Kick/thai boxing, I got influenced by both, so somethimes I kicked with the shinbone and sometimes with the foot, I also had some karate influence on how to stand and how not to stand. I just pointed out the differences between kick/thai and savate, so maybe you should check before commenting dumb stuff
CommercialDisrespect 2 years ago
kick/thai boxing is the worst to mix up ... its better if u just do thaiboxing... beacuse there are maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany differences between kickboxing and thaiboxing .... i have been training real Muay thai both in thailand and here in Sweden... My friend is training only kickboxing and he is using the foot to kick.. so i dont know what you are talking about...
baskorvv 2 years ago
why is a mix up bad, take the best of many different styles, make them all you're own. you will be a much well rounded fighter when you do. I am aware of the differences you keep pointing out, you give me shit for telling stuff that I know from my own experience training in DIFFERENT styles, so maybe you should just be quite right now
CommercialDisrespect 2 years ago
dude .... wow .... kickboxing is small part of thaiboxing... when u train thaiboxing u know all kickboxing .. beacuse there is maaaany different techniques in thaiboxing...
and btw ... U can be Muay thai pro and black belt BJJ to be PRO MMA u dont need anything else ..
baskorvv 2 years ago
That really shows how much you know about MMA. What about wrestling? That includes: collegiate, greco-roman, and freestyle. A Greco-Roman wrestler can negate a Thai boxer easily (see Couture v. Vera) and take him down for some GnP. I've seen dozens of matches where a wrestler has controlled a BJJ blackbelt (Fitch v. Paulo Thiago). There's many aspects to MMA so it's foolish to conclude that Muay Thai and BJJ are the only things you need.
I will quote you, "Learn before writing something ..."
S4ncheezy 2 years ago
U cant prove that a wrestler can control BJJ on ground .. the fighters that you have wrote are ALL ROUNDED they know everything they dont just know one thing ..
and you just need BJJ and Muay Thai .. Standing ?? best standing ever.. Ground ?? you just need BJJ ....
Wrestling is more to take down a fighter and have better balance ..
baskorvv 2 years ago
baskorw, go look up Kazushi Sakuraba or Gokor Chivichyan. Sakuraba dominated the entire Gracie family with catch wrestling, and Gokor Chivichyan has a 200-0 record in grappling, specializing in Sambo.
odin23581 2 years ago
Might be better to combine a striking art with a ground and grappling art accually. Than two striking arts
mrcrazymaann 2 years ago
Well then your friends an idiot & so are you for thinking you kick with only the foot in kickboxing......
wondeboy12 2 years ago
The strikes (punches and kicks) have to be landed in a very clean and technique manner with the tip of the shoe ou upper part of the foot, in addition to lowkicks, there are also front and side kicks to the legs and one "coup de pied bas" to the shinbone.
Because of the technique needed to make some points and to not get awarning for iregular move they don't have as much KOs as kb or tb, but those they have will mostly be cleaner than in any style above.
Kind regards
laokon 2 years ago
Savate = french boxe
FanDeFreeFight 2 years ago
It seems really light contact. They aren't hitting each other hard at all. How can you get a KO like this?
mizugamisoul 2 years ago
It's so damn obvious that the savateur is pulling his punches. Normally he would have dropped him with one blow or one kick. With the American's lack of skill and guard, the savateur would have normally brought him to his knees with one well laid punch or kick, or at most with a two strike combo...But...Long live entertainment....
Alexus333 2 years ago 10
have you ever done savate??? its harder than you think. think bevor you write some damn crap, alexus
evilrex129 2 years ago
I think you misunderstood...
Read what he said carefully, he never said savate is bad.
No hard feelings, just trying to clear the air. =)
gooondu 2 years ago
Hey "evil" boy, read the comment again and this time try to UNDERSTAND what I am saying....If you're not very good with English let me spell it out for you: I was saying that the SAVATEUR, that is the couloured guy, is not fighting full force, not that savate is weak, as u so briliantly understood. I am a kickboxer, I couldn't say that about Savate. Pay more attention before YOU write crap...
Alexus333 2 years ago
do you know if there are fights between savateurs ( my sport) and k-boxers (yours) in full competiton???
patrickangus16 2 years ago
I don't think there are specially held matches between savateurs and kick boxers, but, as you know, kb is an open martial art and any fighter is welcome to join a contest if they are up to it, regardless of their background.
Alexus333 2 years ago
@Alexus333 @2:26 it doesnt look like hes pulling punches bro lol
mattman694 1 year ago
@mattman694 lol I feel you dude, but trust me, if the American has been standing for as long as he did it's because the other guy kind of forgave him on a few occasions, which is quite explicable, given that the white guy's fighting experience is limted to wrestling, that is grappling; and if you look closely you'll see exactly which those occasions were...Hell, the black guy even looks like more of a killer than the other one in my book, so...Long live entertainment, again! lol
Alexus333 1 year ago
@Alexus333 i hate how this show expects people t believe that 2 Americans can go around the world train for week and be able to go tit for tat with fighters with years of training under their belt. entertainment yes but not entertaining to real fighters and people who love martial arts.
neo19dude 1 year ago
@neo19dude You'll get no argument from me on that side brother, no one expects a near novice to really go toe to toe with a real martial arts champion, but why then not choose both fighters with a significant background behind them, I mean at least like the other guy, the smaller one who's got some competing experience in mma I think...Or a better example yet would be the Contender show: only real boxers get selected to star in the show with real trainers at their side...Get my drift?
Alexus333 1 year ago
@neo19dude EXACTLY my point! "Long live enterteainment" was as ironic of a statement as could be...
Alexus333 1 year ago
@Alexus333 Yeah im sure you know everything about this man.
HelloTravis23 11 months ago
I love reading comments about people arguing over MMA vs traditional martial arts. It really cracks me up.
jacko821 2 years ago 2
Bill sucks indeed... here not so much, but in general, yeah, he sucks.....
LeoNastie 2 years ago
how can you say he sucks..he goes to a foreing country trains in a new martial art for a week with no previous training and then has to fight a Pro. cut the guy some slack
cuevasdecamuy 2 years ago 32
@cuevasdecamuy
ummm your explaining why he sucks but it doesnt change the fact that he does :)
ilanchico 1 year ago
@cuevasdecamuy
I agree with you it would take alot of ballz to do that..
eargrey 1 year ago
@cuevasdecamuy True but it's not just a week, he's done this with quite a few martial arts but yeah he does not suck.
zzsharka 1 year ago
bill only sucks at the striking martial arts but he'sbetter than jason at wrestling
UncleRed1234567 2 years ago
Bill doesn't really show that much skill when it comes to grappling either, Jason's bjj background overtakes his wresling aptitude. Bill is simply big, let's face it. Jason tends to be more of a technical fighter, while Bill is more like a brawling bull...Not very graceful, but proud of his mass:-))). I don't know if u saw the pankration episode, where after kick-breaking a shield on a second try he yells: " Yeeeoooh, American ,muscle wins everytime!":-)))))
Alexus333 2 years ago
dude, sorry i guess i missunderstood :(
where are u training ? im doing muay thai
evilrex129 2 years ago
It's ok dude, it's no sweat now :-) I see we're from different hemispheres:-), you're from Singapore, I'm from Romania, Bucharest. Right now I'm doing sambo, a mixed Russian martial art that combines boxing, kb, and grappling techique from freestyle wrestling, judo and a few other fighting styles from the former USSR states.
Alexus333 2 years ago
I've got a background in kb, judo, shotokan, and just a little bjj, but sambo feels really complete, like the real deal, I'd recommand it to anyone searching for mma. I'm really glad to have found a gym near wher I live. What about you, how long have u been doing mhuay thay? U got any other background, done anything else before?
Alexus333 2 years ago
@Alexus333 im doing mt since 1.5 years and i have a backroung of wrestling and im a pro swimmer now so i dont train mt so much any more (may be 1 a week)
evilrex129 2 years ago
@evilrex129
Have not - shaddap
niarthunderus 2 years ago
haha look at yoll big heads trying 2 prove a point kiss and make up fags juahahaha if yoll wanna fight hit me up theres nothing better then a brawl
wordsofflow 2 years ago
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bill sucks
Jaishal 2 years ago
hahahaha... damn did u guys see bill get knocked the fuck out by that TKD guy? if u see the raw video... he is out for like...5 mins..... hahaha.. and tat big black guy couldnt take him down? weak.....
tigerjonn 2 years ago 2
hes a big and clumsy guy, how the hell is he going to throw a spinning round kick? hes better built for boxing, wrestling, and thrashing. and calling a fighter weak? i dont see any videos on your profile showing that you can do anything at all ;D
FindWhatToFollow 2 years ago
im not saying he should do a spinning round kick... what im saying is.. if ur a PRO fighter... and u fight against a AMATUER fighter... it shouldnt be a contest.... thats wat im saying..... and yess ur right.... maybe they should give me my own show......
tigerjonn 2 years ago
they should give you your own show because you cant do anything at all? thats not a documentary thats a reality tv show.
FindWhatToFollow 2 years ago
i cant do anything at all..... ummmm okay... u sure like to judge people u never met or kno anything about me... but yet u lay a good judgement down huh? The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance.. but the illusion of knowledge.
and tats all u have... a illusion of knowledge.... im not sitting here and saying ur some stupid ass fag ... cause i dont kno anything about u... but yet u percieve to know things about me... to me.... its already telling me tat u are stupid....hahahahahaha...
tigerjonn 2 years ago
youre doing the same thing, "u sure like to judge people u neve met or kno anything about me..." you were dissing the guy and i called you out because you are an even worse fighter. i dont know anything about you? youre just another asshole who thinks hes tough when hes on the internet. you have no proof that you know any martial arts or fighting styles and you rag on this guy. thats why i replied to you.
FindWhatToFollow 2 years ago
nooo wat i based on callin u stupid is cause u said stupid things........ wat i said... dosent prove my skills at all... no matter wat... for all u kno im fucken anderson silva .... but u kno wat i kno about u.... u say stupid shit,.. which makes u stupid.... RIGHT? u dont kno wat i can do or not doo...... but i kno u say stupid shit...... right? so im not juding from nothing... im judging from wat u are saying.... ur judging me... from NOTHING... how can u judge wat i can do..
tigerjonn 2 years ago
well if we are judging each others intelligence by what the other says, then based on how you spell, you must be pretty stupid... ive given you several opportunites to defend your fighting experience but you have yet to give any proof... you say stupid things and by that i can come to the conclusion that you, yourself are very stupid.
FindWhatToFollow 2 years ago
hahahaha oooooo i see... u wanted PROOF... over the youtube comment system.... of my "fighting...experiecenss" hahaha okay.... well i do have a background in judo... and i was in highschool wrestling for 4 years... so ground work is definately my game.... but shit i could also say im fucken superman...... and ill destroy tis guy with the laser from my eyes.... hahaha is tis guy kidding me? all i have to do.. is do a take down on tis guy... get out of his gaurd... its over.....
tigerjonn 2 years ago
usually people prove things on youtube by... oh i dont know? posting videos? hey! thats a great idea! so youve done judo and wrestling? so you say? and you think that you could take these guys? hahaha ;D oh it must be nice to live in denial.
FindWhatToFollow 2 years ago
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yeaa whatever makes u feel better buddy...... hahahaha..... cause ur such a expert when it comes to fighting right? hahahaha... keep feeding ur illusion of knowledge...... hahahahaha
tigerjonn 2 years ago
for all u kno im fucken anderson silva... those were your words and they kind of apply to me to. but im going to end this discussion because i dont like the thought of you wanking off to the attention your dumbass gets on youtube. have a nice day fucktard ;D
FindWhatToFollow 2 years ago
haha someones getting a lil personal.... hope i didnt ruin ur day... hahaha have a nice day too....
tigerjonn 2 years ago
bill is such a good fighter.
KimchiPudding 2 years ago
Ebuverthebicepcurler, well said. That put my point across perfectly. :]
GabrielWaski 3 years ago
I wish I could just watch the fight without all the silliness.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 3 years ago 2
watch bills punch at 2:13
KarateKidLi 3 years ago
Bill is a fucking tank lol
acies92 3 years ago
i came
redevil459 3 years ago
shut the hell up... if you guys are really a Martial Artist or a MMA... then you wouldn´t show off and say you can do it better!!!! Martial Artist are well disceplined!!!
tacaloi 3 years ago
well said
firag24 3 years ago
2:49 Oh. My. God. Look how low there hands get! Lol! Thats an easy knock out.
GabrielWaski 3 years ago
haha
qwertyuploader 3 years ago
why would he take striking advice from chambers?
jigsaw99 3 years ago
FrancMatrakeur, Your an idiot for thinking this will save your ass in a street fight. If your fighting in a ring with strict rules about where or how you can even hit your opponent kudos to you. But in a actual street fight against a experienced fighter? LOL. Im going to grab those kicked and put you in a leg bar and snap your kneecaps. 1:23 You come and hug me like that in a fight? thats a knee into your solarplexus. 1:46 see how open his chest is? Thats a take down there.
GabrielWaski 3 years ago
its not that easy check out UFC
Jade3liphant 3 years ago
I'm tired of this streetfight argument, if streetfighters are so great why do they suck at nhb fights before the MMA orgs even had rules. Fact is, a well conditioned and well trained MMA fighter will win in a street fights every time. Remember, jujitsu was made by practicing in street fights.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 3 years ago
Savate Danse De Rue, which is a more aggressive form of savate is taught as a form of self defense and basically is a street-fight style martial art. You don't know shit about savate, a lot of MMA fighters practice savate. I know for a fact that you aren't really an MMA fighter.
Cyberbob305 2 years ago
And furthermore just check out UFC 1 if you love MMA so much. Gerard Gordeau, a savate-only fighter made it to the finals in what was basically a street fight since back then UFC had no rules at all. He only lost to a BJJ master, coincidentally another style that people bash for not being good in street fights.
Cyberbob305 2 years ago
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There kicks are so high, I'd grap his leg and pull moves all over his ass. This fighting style is ONLY good against someone else who uses it.
GabrielWaski 3 years ago
Actually this is Boxe Francaise. A kind of "cool" savate style more used like for competition. So of course their are rules. But if a guy like that knows how to kick some ass without grabing any leg, he know how to kick ass with leg grabing. It's logique. Anyway I practice Savate sinse I'm 13, I'm now 21 for 220 pounds and trust me, this art works against ALL other martial art. Their is no perfect combat style, but this one is very good though
FrancMatrakeur 3 years ago 2
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This is hillarious. A MMA fighter like myself would RAPE this Savate guy.
GabrielWaski 3 years ago
Its true.
ThowHilton 3 years ago
But they're not fighting MMA, they're fighting Savate. So, how well would u do fighting Savate?
Bfolks84 3 years ago
rofl 2:13 uber audacious xDxD
Lero2409 3 years ago
"fighting against all odds just for survival"?!? what sort of a noob wrote this dribble?:)) sounds like an idiotic National Geographic documentary for morons without something to do
Tokaida 3 years ago 2
Bill Duff the man that stoped the heisman running back for the Fuckeyes Eddie grorge
Tinman614614 3 years ago
modern savate's like full-contact, you can see the influence of kickboxing, if u consider that the first full-contact competitions took place in France in 1970s thanks to Dominique Valera
karnakun 3 years ago
Savate dates back well before Kickboxing. There are videos on YouTube that date back to 1934 for a start...
pugilistica 2 years ago
Are you saying that boxing of the 30s and modern boxing are the same stuff? Nah...Savate is different too, if you consider the past matches. Valera influenced it, and the style studied by count Pierre Barozzi (not Baruzy: his origin was Venetian, Italian) was a different thing.
karnakun 2 years ago
No, and neither does anything else stay the same in life either.
Savate = lots of movement & good footwork.
Kickboxing = not the same footwork at all.
Savate = boots.
Kickboxing = foam blocks on the feet.
Other than that, you're right, Kickboxing does look a bit like modern-day Savate.
pugilistica 2 years ago
Let me say that the tactics/work is absolutely the same, and that the French Savateurs of the 70s studied boxe americaine (that's full contact), shotokan and goju karate (Oyama's style was unknown) because their method was too light, or a sort of semi-contact. They didn't fight for real. But in 1980-90 many instructors experienced in oriental martial arts spread a different concept about savate, inventing/showing a sort of muaythai (e.g. see panther production old videos). That's not Savate.
karnakun 2 years ago
i wonder what would happen if bill started using "dirty tricks" like that french biatch
DiasCZ 3 years ago
its not real fighting, look like choregraphy;
chrisbreizh29 3 years ago
damn right its not 100%
tv stars were affraid of contusions while there r shows to make
Gazet666 3 years ago
nice socks on the black guy.. Ha Ha
henh32 3 years ago
Is there an episode were both of them use EVERYTHING tey've learned ??!
zaberlessone 3 years ago
i like bill, but hes kinda n00b,
LambdaDrS 3 years ago
he is a n00b. You can tell when someone is especially when they have their head back and up high like he did the whole time.
TripleNipple3 3 years ago
he's tough thou, and he gives his best; that's what counts
LambdaDrS 3 years ago 3
true
TripleNipple3 3 years ago
A N00b ho went three rounds, often looking in control, with the countries Champion. That's prety impressive.
LaLaLaflobble 3 years ago
He was taking it easy on him. If you think that all these guys jason and bill are fighting go full force you are mistaken. Bill never really looking in control its just the other guys letting up on him and his fighting style seems to be moving back and picking his shots.
TripleNipple3 3 years ago
muay thai is better!!!
buklao559 3 years ago 2
lol @ the solid right hook at bills jaw
joshthemyth83 3 years ago
if a guy throwing endless punches at ya the best way to not get hit is talk a step back every time your opponet tries to hit ya.
if the guy is acuret and trying to throw. well thats my opinion.
ERIKTHECOP 3 years ago
this looks like boxing + kick boxing to me :P
FightingSiamFish 3 years ago
its not realy much kick boxing
welll techniqally it is
but in savate they are only allowed to use thier hands and feet
no shins...no elbows...no arms...no shoulders...no knees...its very straight foward im not saying it socks
shadowcar88 3 years ago
ha they kick slow
personalman3 3 years ago
and todd go suck your dads dick and swallow pussy boy. the nigger is cheap so fuck him and fuck you if you got somethin to say bout it pussy boy.
kionwarrior 3 years ago
dont b mad cuz 8 black dudes came over and fucked ur wife while u were at work and then put it on the internet we arent all like that ok we r sorry
yugonasty 3 years ago
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if THAT guy is though ... then the bald white guy is a raw pussy ... i hate americans and their false shitty shows ... i laughfed for 30 min after seeing this ... apropos ...... savate is a fecal of the french ........ FUCK FRANCE , FUCK AMERICA
shatterhandeve 3 years ago
dude relax will you man this isn't a game of which race is better
Mrpenguin1616 3 years ago
Wow! U act like ur better than every1! Show yo ass, why don't ya? lol
Gauntlets 3 years ago
learn english you twat
ficklefackle 3 years ago
As if Romanians are so much better!
Go back to your gymnastics and poverty, you commie bastard!
WebiKun 3 years ago
wooooh chill out mr ku klux klan. It's just two sportsment in a combat sport. Get some counseling <----AHAHAHAH lol sorry dude just merley sayin come on dude look at it for cryin out loud...look at the black guy...whenever that reff JUST steps away he takes a swing like a sucker? doess he not?
kionwarrior 3 years ago
thats part of savate
shadowcar88 3 years ago
2:29 is awesome
minitari 3 years ago
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lol...yea..cause that guy is a fuckin cheap nigger...im not racsist...but that is a perfect example..of a fuckin nigger
kionwarrior 3 years ago
wooooh chill out mr ku klux klan. It's just two sportsment in a combat sport. Get some counseling
johnnyfromda805 3 years ago
kionwarrior, go fuck yourself "american terrorist".
toddmiyamoto 3 years ago 2
"I'm not a racist: "N******"" Wtf, you're just dumb or what? Disproving yourself in the same sentence, wow! *applause* Western fighting is cheap
pdrProductions 3 years ago
do something about it pussy lol
yugonasty 3 years ago
I reckon it was about time Bill looked like he was in control
drunkenmonkey64 3 years ago
HAHA THE GUY LOOKS LIKE BIG SHOW!! (the white 1)
NarutoJonasBroFan 3 years ago 2
it is bill goldberg
slutypet 3 years ago
wow u sure?!?
NarutoJonasBroFan 3 years ago
no dumbass its bill duff
Vanhalen188 3 years ago
i also thought so when i first time saw the show
hellohaloo1 3 years ago
these so called champs on most of the episodes are clearly told to take it light. watch the muy thai and mma episode. clearly not a 100percent event.
okmujm 3 years ago
Why does everyone think these fights are rigged, bill and jason each have over a decade of martial arts experience at the least check out their videos at the history channel website. it's not like this is their first fight, so stop being an idiot (if that's possible) and accept the outcome of this fight.
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