A message from MSF.UK/Doctors Without Borders

[BabyCanaryYelllin]

MSF is a GREAT organisation doing crucial work.

[littlebier8]

I don't believe in a "universal right" to health care or any other good. People have rights to life, liberty, and property, but not other people's goods or services. I do believe in a strong personal obligation to help those in need, so I am donating to help MSF in these critical times.

[concernedagain]

I would have donated after watching this vid, i had a Virgin pay as you go credit card, i also have an ebay account, i then loaded the card with all my funds only to find out that virgin stopped my card becuase i had reached my spending limit so restricted my card, i called and spoke to an opperator who qouted R&R, i again called to her human side and explained ALL my funds were on that card, tough! was the reply, it goes on, but if i get another card in the future i will donate small cash

[MrOmniblast]

Who the FUCK!? Are the people who disliked this? O_o...omg lol...wow...just wow.

[amar94290]

EXCELLENT ! Great great video

[amar94290]

EXCELLENT ! Great great video !

[nicecfr]

Great Job Cousin!! I tried to comment before but it did it under moms account.

[poshbrit]

Well done cousin!!

[poshbrit9]

A very interesting presentation, and very well done! Your Aunty Judy. x

[elipto]

theres NO giving like giving to charity! specially if its one with worthy cause!

man! it feels great! and its the most sincere form of giving -without expecting ANYTHING in return.

we should be glad that there are people out there organizing and accomplishing what we only wish could be done in the world.

giving keeps that going.

im so glad it did it!

give!!!

ps

would love to see a similar drive for the smile train!

;-)

[nosetic]

evidence includes *everything* that is used to determine or demonstrate the truth of an assertion so therefore i suppose that an assertion is therefore provides evidence for a statement of fact part of research sir usually involves delving deeper into a matter not just what may appear on the surface

[Slyfox38]

Fair play to you DprJones

[vilding1]

I signed up for monthly donations to MSF years ago, when my non-food-and-shelter-budget was a lot more limited. How do I increase my monthly donation (Norway)?

[kernowsam]

Hi Vilding1. you should call the Norway office on (+47) 23 31 66 00 and i am sure they can help.

[texasconnelly]

I have been a supporter of MSF for a long time. Their overhead is unbelievably small for such a large organization. Set up a deduction from your checking account every month and after a few months, you won't even miss it.

[scottintulsa]

7 pounds = 11.6706 u.s. dollars, 1 pound = 1.6672 u.s. dollars from yahoo currency converter.

[jebus6kryst]

I am going to give.

[sureup]

Really nice and informative video!

[Rockster969]

Is there a way of donating for this particular charity bash if you've not a credit card?

I know I could contribute directly to MSF but would want my small offering to go onto the final tally of this particular effort.

Apologies in advance if the means to do this has already been stated but I've not seen or come across such details.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Request seconded!

[Waldheri]

You can use a debit card or Paypal on the Justgiving website (see sidebar)

[GriffinPilgrim]

Thanks, mate.

[Rettequetette]

I had the same 'problem', I just donated directly to MSF and send dprjones a PM to let him know about the amount. I couldn't think of another way :-S

[Rhysz1]

People as someone involved with setting up the Charity show I humbly request that we leave politics and religion out of this conversation. MSF will help anyone in need of medical care, that's why DPR picked this charity. If you don't like MSF or the principles it stands for, please, move on to a Fred video and don't bother watching the show.

SAM thank you very much for this insightfull video. Hope to see you on the show!

Kind regards,

Rhysz

[Rockster969]

Right on brother,it's 'One Love.'

[Rettequetette]

Whoohoo... I just noticed that MSF is an anagram!!!

RAmen!

[Alaron251]

Go us Atheists.

[AncientAtheist]

MSF rocks...

[Wolfau5]

It sounds like a great cause, though I'd have to say I have some reservations about the money being spent in incredibly geopolitically unstable regions (ie constant military conflict) as for many, it would treat them of a disease only to have them be killed by militia. As such it would need to be spent in concert with attempts to stabilise the region to have any lasting benefit.

I thought cholera treatment was pretty cheap (water and electrolytes), what treatment is he referring?

[Anghellik9]

can't find my wallett. I'll donate in the morning.

[Akatam0t0ma]

Non-existent gods bless you, DPR! ;-)

[freeamerika00]

I'm going to bid a penny

[AtheistBrit]

What a wonderful organisation doing such fantastic work for the world's neediest people. I will definitely bid on the eBay auction and help these fantastic people.

[LetsTalkSexTalk]

sorry to be superficial but this guy is hot. I might just have to donate because of it haha

[purpleorchid76]

Freeamerika was wrong. Bernard Kouchner the founder of the aid agency Médecins Sans Frontières and a former U.N. high commissionner in Kosovo began his career in the Communist party.

[freeamerika00]

MSF has been funded by the anti American and -anti semitic 'The Zayed Center".

Furthermore Bernard Kouchner, the founder of the aid agency Médecins Sans Frontières and a former U.N. high commissionner in Kosovo is a known socialist.

[WeedGreenPowerRanger]

The way you use "socialist" as an insult shows you really don't know what it is.

[purpleorchid76]

What is a socialist? Bernard Kouchner? Look him up. Learn something.

[purpleorchid76]

I suppose a Socialist Party who expelled one of their own from the French Socialist Party for going against another French Socialist Party rival for a U.N. position is an insult well deserved.

[101194z4life]

When people hear "Socailisim" they assume Nation Socailisim "Facism" or Collective Socalisim "True Communism" Human's nature of indivudalism makes socalism impossible.

[freeamerika00]

I was speaking about the Socialist party. Socialism is possible through prohibition.

It's possible just inhumane. There still are communist parties. It has been tried it fails and they continue to try.

[allinsman]

You are mixing up socialism with communism. There is NOTHING common between communism and the kind of socialism we have in northern Europe. The labour parties (Social democrats) of northern Europe is more about equal opportunities for all and a humanistic view on things. Funny that I as a liberal (Right wing in Europe) defend social democrats against ignorant americans.

[freeamerika00]

some people don't just think socialism is possible but believe it is nesessary!

Read the Humanist Manifestos.

[101194z4life]

to Freeamerika00

Look kid, The Entire Nature of the Human race controdicts Socalisim, I mean its a GREAT Idea It just is impossible because of how Humanity has Involved, I'm Euginist So Humanitarianism isn't with my Agenda.

[Faergen]

Socialism is not inhumane. It depends on your views on what humans are and what they need. We have socialism in Denmark and all of Scandinavia and noone is treated "inhumanely". At least not on purpose.

[101194z4life]

I never said it was, look back at my Aurgment, I said I was the Exact oposite of a Humanitarianist, I'm a Euginist.

[Faergen]

Oh I'm sorry, I confused some of the comments from freeamerika00 with yours, I apologize. And I am a Euginist too, though with the added belief that people should also have the ability to choose which genes they would like to have reproduced, as long as they themselves have them, when that is possible. Though I would stress encuragement, in the definition. :0p

[ndwolfwood5268]

"The general tone of the second Manifesto has been perceived as moving away from sympathy with *libertarian socialism* toward a more economically neutral stance."

And the type of 'socialism' they support, as I understand, sounds pretty awesome. I wouldn't call it socialism, and the fault lies with corrupt individuals, not the idea. I would support it, too, if I thought society was mature enough. Also, the Manifesto that supports it is from 1933, before socialisms faults were widely seen.

[ndwolfwood5268]

Oh, and of course, by faults I'm meaning the Fascism that it seems to evolve into. That's the problem with it. Dictators take advantage of people and move a good thing to a bad thing. Why can't you just shut up and move on? It's a charity... Need I start digging up crazy conspiracy stuff on religious charities?

[joshTheGoods]

Unless you are here to tell us that the money MSF receives is spent on something other than health care, or you're here to tell us that they are being directed by those that make contributions rather than by where the need is the greatest AND you have EVIDENCE, you can honestly just shut the fuck up. You have contributed nothing of any consequence to this discussion with your retarded and terribly misguided comment. Go sit in the corner, you're on time out.

[freeamerika00]

What is being said is relevant. This organization was established and recieves funding to run through some questionable politicians and political agendas.

There is YOUR EVIDENCE. It doesn't take long to do some research. There's your evidence.

[kernowsam]

Hi freeamerika00

MSF was set up by doctors and journalists originally. one of these was kouchner although he left almost 30 years ago due to disagreements.

We have no political agendas as an org but cannot vouch for every members own views. Of course we are not perfect but be try to do good in the world and that is all we can do. If you would like to chat about this in more detail call the UK office and ask to speak to sam. cheers.

[freeamerika00]

"We have no political agendas as an org but cannot vouch for every members own views."

I'm not speaking about face value here or those who volunteer their time and expertise. I'm addressing the issue of where "funds" are received. It is widely known that MSF is a political "Red Cross" if you will. There seems to be a contradiction between human rights and foreign policy. I don't need to call to retain that info.

[kernowsam]

"political red cross" is one way of putting it i suppose! We do 'speak out' and try to raise awareness of the situation of people who we help. "where funds are received" do you mean where we get our money from? sorry but confused there. The way in which we are funded gives the best protection against political or other influences over our work.

Suggested a call coz i find youtube comments not the best way to have a discussion . And I am interested to hear your point of view. cheers

[nosetic]

kernowsam: been informed that freeamerika has been blocked again by dprjones shame cause free is a big advocate for free speech probably how he came to know dprjones channel anyway it was an interesting public conversation free usually has conversations on politics and i have never known anyone to walk away from a conversation with him and not meeting half way

[joshTheGoods]

Right, and your account is definitely *not* a sock account with its 2 views in 2 years. Free, no one is saying that you don't have a right to dissent, what we're saying is that this is obviously neither the time nor the place. If you take issue with the charity DPR has chosen, contact DPR and more importantly, contact the organization. It is inappropriate to come over here and try to discourage others from making contributions.

[beriukay]

I disagree. Free can dissent here and now until his heart is content. However, he must recognize the fact that my opinion (and likely others') that he can go fuck himself is at least as valid as his opinion.

[joshTheGoods]

You make a valid point. I'm coming from the basic position that attacking the charity now serves only to dissuade people from donating, as it is unrealistic to think that he is presenting some information that would lead to cancelling the charity itself (as if that were even possible). Even so, I must admit that free has the right to be an asshole - though, dpr also has the right to block him =P.

[beriukay]

Ah, you are quite right. Though it definitely didn't dissuade me or one of my friends.

[nosetic]

i am not free however one can think what they will the issue at hand however is one of public concern why many are discouraging public conversation on the matter of Médecins Sans Frontières associative structure is apparent

[purpleorchid76]

nosetic I looked into this as well. I have found that it seems to work kind of like a UN council with 5 operational centers, none are in the West. 80% of donors are private organizations and private citizens. Although they claim they are a private organization 20% does come from Governments and that 20% are from anti American and anti jewish Governments.

The issue raised here is that it claims it operates independently of any political, military, or religious agendas.

[purpleorchid76]

Its structure which you have mentioned is questionable as Freeamerica has raised also.

Although Bernard Kouchner no longer is involved his legacy of The duty to intervene is still a international problem. This is the same doctrine which NATO invoked to justify the bombing of Yugoslavia. Ironically MSF is was one of the first in the world to recognize how they could help shape public opinion through the enormous power of the media

[purpleorchid76]

MSF vehemently denies its involvement with Kochner citing his 30 year absence however,

It IS involved in foreign policy of the French government. Particularly the French Army in Chad and the Central African Republic. They have used the French Armys armed forces for humanitarian reasons.

[freeamerika00]

I see it this way. (although nobody wants to hear the truth) America not being involved with this Org is a great thing. The volunteerism of non-government organizations is often expected to replace government involvement as an alternative mode of organization and provide services instead of the government. This in itself is political. It can be both progressive and reactionary.

[freeamerika00]

Consider such think tank organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan & Rough Riders. Financed by money that manipulate American public opinion. They always tend to rely on volunteer structures to advance their own cause. Its why we ALWAYS find them in many international dissent movements associated with social progress such as this one!

[Morts2411]

PCS never donated anything, he kept it for himself that greedy piece of shit

[paulusmagirl]

I can not believe that someone is actually

comparing what dpr and everyone did

yesterday for MSF, to what VFX did for

himself?!!!

That is just so enraging!

[freeamerika00]

Now the charity frauds CAN be compared?

[paulusmagirl]

If you're talking about the Hayden dupe,

that had nothing to do with the charity,

and no one who donated cares about

that. Although the person or persons

who falsely impersonated Hayden CAN

be compared to VFX....Yes indeed!

[freeamerika00]

Well as far as I have seen VFX's donators (not the penny donators ...who would donate a penny to sick children anyway?) but those who donated for his ministry and asked him to keep the full amount of their donation didn't care about the initial conditions of raising funds either!

[purpleorchid76]

freeamerika did raise other issues about the integrity of this charity prior to fake hayden.

[purpleorchid76]

I believe freeamerica was stating that dprjones can possibly face legal issues for misrepresentation through his own negligence, and charity fraud? Like atheists claim was the case with Venomfangx.

[purpleorchid76]

Dprjones knew BEFORE the blog TV show that she was a fake and didn't inform anyone! Does anyone know how much money he raised during the broadcast alone?

[paulusmagirl]

Yeah ok, nice try but not even. LOL

[purpleorchid76]

Okay... check out dprjones video "12th September - thank you - and an apology (Part 1)" @3:36

Also check out 5:29 of the same video. Did he pay her to sponsor the charity?

[paulusmagirl]

How the hell do I know? lol Why don't you ask him. I don't know what you're getting at?? I was there at the charity for 17 hrs till the very end and I know dpr or anyone else did not know she was an impersonator. GoGreen and some ppl she knew suspected the fraud and she told all of us around 4am. What does that all matter anyway? Dpr and all involved with the charity are incredible people and did a very wonderful thing for that charity!! VFX on the other hand is a greedy little prick!!

[paulusmagirl]

If you are saying that dpr stated in the video

that you're talking about, that he knew prior to

the program airing that Hayden was not

the real Hayden, then I invite you to re-watch

the video and pay attention this time!

[purpleorchid76]

I posted what I mean on the DPRjones "Hayden Panettiere charity " video look there....

[purpleorchid76]

Furthermore... he clearly states in the video( I watch very carefully) that he was aware during the show people of concerns that she was not the real deal, but that he disregarded those concerns! That's the beauty of hindsight paul...it's 20/20! Still ignorance is not an excuse!

[paulusmagirl]

He disregarded them as we all did because

we simply did not care about it that much

and honestly we were not surprised. We

cared about the charity and having each

others company.

What could anyone do about it by then

anyway? No one wanted to bring that fun

time down by cussing out some Haden-fail

all night.

[paulusmagirl]

*Hayden-fail

[purpleorchid76]

"He disregarded them as we all did because

we simply did not care about it that much

and honestly we were not surprised."

Well in that case, thanks for the admittance that regardless, you acted willfully & recklessly.

[paulusmagirl]

I went there to see dprjones and Thunderf00t

and everyone else, and to donate to this

worthy cause. I didn't even watch the Hayden

video and could care less about that.

Attending the charity blog was very willful on

my part yes but how was that reckless in any

way?

[purpleorchid76]

Also dprjones does mention he did not confirm it was the real Hayden Panettiere due to obstacles. Hello, gaining access to an actress does involve obstacles! If they don't ...that should raise a MAJOR red flag. Due to his claim of ignorance (especially by an self pro claimed intellectual & lawyer) I believe he knew *before the show.

[paulusmagirl]

You and your beliefs! lol

[purpleorchid76]

We shall see.....

[paulusmagirl]

What? What shall we see??

[WillSKB88]

DPRJones is honest.

[joshTheGoods]

Are you telling me that your bare assertions must be taken as evidence? You are ridiculous buddy, and you certainly have no idea what the word "evidence" means. I did my research; it turns out these guys/girls from MSF fly around the world taking care of people in dire need. If you want to be a cynical prick, I invite you to spam my PM box instead of this comments section.

[Rockster969]

Too right josh mate.

MSF are always the last people to leave a war zone,really brave selfless people that I have so much respect and admiration for.

[MrHoover3000]

FYI - The total between the 2 donation sites just hit $9,800 USD.

[Rockster969]

Hi there Sam and massive respect to you and all the good hard working and selfless folk who do so much for others at MSF.

[thatmansonkid]

When I get paid I plan on donating what I can.

It's a good cause and I honestly didn't know much about them before now.

[Paxmax]

Awesome prep for the blogtv charity!

[reasonintheright]

I donated what I could, it wasn't much, but I hope it helps.

[Wingers413]

I would love to work for an organization like yours, I do have some medical training as a P.S.W. (Personal support worker) as well as I'm currently in school to get my D.S.W. (Developmental service worker)

I currently working with a religious outfit, which believes more in "faith in God" than the science of medicine.

Any Idea where I could look into working for a orginization like yours?

[djarm67]

Awesome.

DJ

[buzzausa]

Thank you Sam. It is great to get some perspective and to hear somebody directly involved with the charity.

It was illuminating to hear what my pocket change can do......thank you again.

Dprjones.....you're the man!

[MaJoRMJR]

Donated! shame I'm not a tax payer yet...I've just given nearly a 1/3 of my doll money to this worthy cause.

[Temuldjin]

at the moment i ow the bank 3.000 $ and i dont have a job.... so i don't really have that much money to share..... that does not however stop me from donationg 100 $ for this charety :)

[amig90]

Thanks alot of going in front of the cam. Most oraganizations don't do this; going face-to-face with a community and speaking your mind and giving a proper thanks.

[bewarethelizards42]

Donated! My good deed for the year.. ;)

[TheTachy0n]

I'm such a poor student and I want to donate so bad :( Will try to donate 10 dollars or so atleast though

[gingergreek]

Cannot donate til the end of the month but will do then. Im sure theres never a deadline for dinations.

I want a free T-shirt saying I Love Cake or no deal :P

[ZombieToaster]

Since Im out of a job I wont be able to donate for the show. But Ill be sure to do once I get a new job.

[ijaju]

Not a bad way to spend 10min...

[Brascofarian]

Good man

[Plasmon19]

Now this is effort!!

[KaalGeo]

This is an organisation of solidarity. When i become older, I am sure to support it!

[livethoughts]

I'm a student and I'm donating too. I hope everyone who watches decides to donate

[Scoforever]

I support his organisation but I don't think healthcare is a right. I think it is a service.

[nekedemus]

If you don't think healthcare is a right.

Then your thinking is wrong.

Making a profit out of peoples misery is abominable.

[Scoforever]

What about food? Is making money out of starvation wrong. I think people have a right to privately donate money to these charities. I think that force is immoral.

[joshTheGoods]

I don't think anyone is advocating force here Sco. This is a charity event that you choose to support or not to support. There is no political message here simply good will.

[Scoforever]

I support free and voluntary charity. Not government.

[freeamerika00]

"There is no political message here simply good will. "

I disagree. It's humanism, and atheism, and both have a political and antireligious agenda.

[WeedGreenPowerRanger]

You're absolutely right.

Charity seems to be the last thing on the religious mind.

[purpleorchid76]

WeedGreenPowerRanger : Charity seems to be the last thing on the religious mind.

What?

80% of charitable organizations are religious.

[lavawarior]

Define religious charities lol

[freeamerika00]

the Government does.

[Scoforever]

Where?

[joshTheGoods]

This video is about a charity that is not an "atheist" or "humanist" thing; therefore my statement stands correct: There is no political message here simply good will. Please, we are trying to accomplish something nice here. Let's not muddy the waters unnecessarily.

[purpleorchid76]

Muddying waters? I think it's interesting to learn the message behind the face, the message behind the  this organization. Don't people always "mean well"

[joshTheGoods]

The message behind MSF is to provide health care for people in places where healthcare is hard to get. DPRJones has been clear that this charity has nothing to do with a particular religious or political viewpoint. My claim is that those attempting to inject religion and politics into this are detracting from its purpose which is simply to help those in need.

[Scoforever]

Taxation=force.

[Bobbiethejean]

Taxation = roads, military protection, a postal system, emergency services, a public education and on and on. What, pray tell, is your answer for providing these things without taxes?

[Scoforever]

First of all I think that taxes are a necessary evil. Some government roads can be justified in my view. Education should be provided by local councils, the private sector cannot provide a good military, I support emergency services What is my answer without taxes? We need taxes. Morally I am an anarchist but in practice I believe in minimal taxes.

[bootrous]

I just read this message. Ignore my previous message

[Scoforever]

You got there just on time. Three seconds ago.

[bootrous]

So you want anarchy (as in absence of government)?

[mecher3k]

So it's a service uh scoferever, I hope next time you need it's denied to you. After all it's just a service and not a right.

[Scoforever]

Would you say that food is a right? Should it be provided by government?

[nekedemus]

Government already do provide food.

Production of food is heavily regulated and supported. If it wasn´t agriculture would collapse, and hunger would become an everyday phenomenon very quickly.

[poweredxbyxhope]

Hunger is an everyday phenomenon.

[Scoforever]

(Sarcasm). THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING! AMERICA WILL COLLAPSE IN 2013 WHEN A REPUBLICAN GETS INTO OFFICE AND ENDS FARM SUBSIDIES!

[Cowinspace]

LOL the republicans won't end subsidies, it's wha keeps their partners in big business happy.

[Scoforever]

I hope that both parties try to end them.

[Cowinspace]

A government should ensure a sufficent supply, yes. This is why most countries subsidise farming.

[gotilk]

Anyone can donate, even Glibertarians.

[Scoforever]

What is a glibertarian? I have never heard the word.

[gotilk]

I tried to post a link to a definition. Google it or the words "glib" and "libertarian". The urban dictionary entry is obviously written by someone with a bias against Libertarians, but it's easy to cull an accurate definition if you understand both words.

[tattooskin72]

I'm not sure why you apologized :) Was great to hear exactly what the money goes towards. Lovely to see you!

[LadyPenguinThe4th]

I'm donating now! Only 20$ though... I'm a student.

[Emin3mRulez]

I am too! And I too am a student.

[philthy122]

thanks for putting it in perspective.

I hadn't realized a couple of pints of beer could make such a difference.

[LozTheAtheist]

Everyone needs to support this! Thanks Loz

[bootergonemad]

I've heard of this organization. Great job.