There's silly...and there's plain stupid, this is plain stupid. Even Christian academics acknowledge that Adam and Eve are ficticious. To assume bronze age farmers knew anything about history is absolutely pathetic!
@masala505 Say what you will about whether they were real or not, but don't be so quick to disparage the Bronze Agers, 'farmers' or otherwise, especially in the fertile crescent. You would be surprised.
@SakaScotii If your talking farming - most probarly they could teach modern farmers a thing of two. But saying that they knew much more beyond this is highly improbable. We certainly know that they knew nothing about astronomy, medicine, geography, history, etc, etc. And how could they know more at this time? -The bible exemplifies this perfectly as it contains absolutely, nothing at all, that could not have been written by men of this period and geographical location.
@masala505 Did you miswrite by chance? I initially had trouble fully understanding what you JUST said, but I think i know where you are coming from now. Perhaps it is safe for us to assume 'they' were illiterate farmers. But, there is a tendency for certain to think that Abraham was not an illiterate farmer. The text implies that he was actually an upper class urban dweller that more or less was driven to leave those circumstances because he felt they were not conducive to Godliness.
@masala505 All that I have said so far is certainly not enough to prove anything, but it is a legitimate starting point to the other side's opinion. You are probably of the belief that the Majority of the old testament was written and/or compiled during the babylonian exile. that is all fine and good, but I contend, that even if that was the case, and even if the Bible is mostly fiction, that there were likely any number of figures similar to Abraham from his supposed time period.
@masala505 If we are to take this skeptical POV, then it is also rational for us to assume that the motivations of these other men were not the same as those of Abraham. For if they were, the story of Abraham would be all the more plausible, and all the less dismissible. I will not try to convince you one way or the other beyond what I have already said. My conclusion is that it is not necessary for all Bronze Agers that WE consider to have be illiterate farmers to actually have been such.
@masala505 Likewise, if you believe that every Biblical character is either fiction or more recent than some give credit for, and use THIS as proof that the Bible was written instead by Iron Agers, it is still plausible that this was passed down orally or in written form through Bronze Age channels, be they the ramblings of dehydrated olive growers or partial distortions of real history as recorded by more 'civilized' Bronze Agers such as Babylon, Assyria, Sumer, Phoenicia, Egypt, or Greece.
@SakaScotii I agree with you in terms of characters - some biblical characters I'm sure existed in some shape or form but that's just plain history. Believing however, that they was a miraculous event - birth of Christ - resurrection, etc - is just absolute nonsense. These were superstitious times where people believed that storms were sent by god to punish humanity - of course we know today that stroms xcome because of weather patterns.It's important to separate myth from plausable reality.
@masala505 I will not try and make a convert out of you, but I think you should know that that even the religious back in the day were capable of comprehending that there were natural mechanisms for a storm, for example. They might even agree with you that God did NOT put his finger in the sea (or some other laughable-if-not-metaphorical direct act) and swirl it around, and say that it was part of His plan from the beginning. Even you must acknowledge that everything that happens has
@masala505 causality in something that happened not just moments prior, but even in seemingly unrelated things. It is not hard to make the connection between, say, a storm and (I know this is an easy example) the Big Bang. Through eons and eons of cause and effect , the one did TECHNICALLY lead to the other. This maxim can be accepted by a Theist, a Deist, an Agnostic, and an Atheist. It is very simplistic and an easy target, but no less true. Now, if one accepts (as a Theist usually does and
@masala505 a Deist might, given the proper cajoling) that God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, and timeless (outside of time, whereas 'eternal' could be used to mean within the scope of time, from 'beginning' to 'end'), then it is not necessary at all for Him to supernaturally, directly intercede or intervene in our affairs, although many Theists won't explicitly rule that option out, and most Deists will. Unfortunately, most religious people can't even wrap their minds around these
@masala505 notions, and most of the few Atheists you can get to listen will do so with the inwardly-expressed purpose of finding something to mock, be it substantial and logical or trivial and rhetorical. I will not accuse you of doing this (I do not even know if you are a Deist, an Agnostic, or an Atheist, but only that you reject the miraculous/supernatural) for I do not wish to provoke you into proving that statement to the detriment of us both and this thus-far open-minded conversation.
@SakaScotii Firstly, I'm from Switzerland - an athiest country in the sense that people don't beleive in supernatural beings here - gods.You could say that about the US as nobody beleives in Zeuss or Apollo? True? Therefore there's not really a such thing as an athiest. Secondly, if something really miraculous happens - i.e., you jump three buses on a skateboard - it is YOU who has the burden of proof, not me. There is absolutely no proof for your god, or any other god!
I know that from Adam to Moses death is like 2553 years. But here from my point of view: Adam to Noah is 26 Generation right? And how Adam was 930 years old and Seth was 912. So that is 1842 years. But what if Adam was 930 and 8 months and Seth was like 912 and 6 month that would be 1843 years and 2 months. and so on down the line from adam to Moses. so we could be off on the 2553 years because you could probably add 25 years at the most to it bring it to 2578 years.
@RBHILL300 You don't add Adam's life to Seth's life etc on down the line. You only add Adam's years until Seth was BORN, which, if I remember correctly was 130 years. THe years from when Adam stood upon the earth to when Noah and his family landed on mount Ararat is only like 1,500 years if I remember correctly. Pretty sure it is less than 26 generations too. Not trying to be critical, just informative.
@SakaScotii Yes, I mean from Adam to Moses is 26. if you had counted you would have known what i meant. But if you add Adam yes from seth birth and not death it is 1656 from coming out of the ark.
@RBHILL300 well, I did consider that, but not having a bible on hand at the time i chose to make the necessary correction and let you sort out the rest. thanks for getting back to me though. i know it was an old thread
@7spirit7of7madibaage Speaking of "light", this acrostic was further developed. The words "my light" are also in this code, but overlooked. Go to bible-codes. o r g for more. Thus it reads, "I will forgive my enemies, having compassion, forgiving those of the dust once again! Where will my light lead a people?" (Or, "Where will He lead the people of light?" Recall that the Israelites were led by Moses by the pillar of fire by night that gave "light". The acrostic is from Moses genealogy.
@alshohoohh The prophets of the bible foretold Jesus the Messiah, the savior of the world by laying down his very life for the sins of the world. To look elsewhere is to look in the wrong direction. It is never too late to rethink things! All the best to you!
In some ways I like the acrostic bible code better than the names bible code because it cannot be refuted. Not that the names code can, but that people already have tired to refute it with lame arguments against. But the acrostic is so obviously God, and since it is God, than why not expect there to be other codes such as the names bible code in the genealogy of Jesus?
Dean, known as Shekel, has the best bible code website anywhere. I have checked it every day and have seen this site grow over the past 5 years to be "inspired by GOD. For those drinking milk or theology teachers, all will learn beyond what they expect. go to his site BIBLE-CODES.DOT ORG to see it and post any drams etc at the "Bible Prophecy Forum" Please forward this to your contacts. See the other newest vid posted beside here at 10 min 14 seconds long. You will be amazed. Blessings.
There's silly...and there's plain stupid, this is plain stupid. Even Christian academics acknowledge that Adam and Eve are ficticious. To assume bronze age farmers knew anything about history is absolutely pathetic!
masala505 10 months ago
@masala505 Say what you will about whether they were real or not, but don't be so quick to disparage the Bronze Agers, 'farmers' or otherwise, especially in the fertile crescent. You would be surprised.
SakaScotii 7 months ago
@SakaScotii If your talking farming - most probarly they could teach modern farmers a thing of two. But saying that they knew much more beyond this is highly improbable. We certainly know that they knew nothing about astronomy, medicine, geography, history, etc, etc. And how could they know more at this time? -The bible exemplifies this perfectly as it contains absolutely, nothing at all, that could not have been written by men of this period and geographical location.
masala505 7 months ago
@masala505 Did you miswrite by chance? I initially had trouble fully understanding what you JUST said, but I think i know where you are coming from now. Perhaps it is safe for us to assume 'they' were illiterate farmers. But, there is a tendency for certain to think that Abraham was not an illiterate farmer. The text implies that he was actually an upper class urban dweller that more or less was driven to leave those circumstances because he felt they were not conducive to Godliness.
SakaScotii 7 months ago
@masala505 All that I have said so far is certainly not enough to prove anything, but it is a legitimate starting point to the other side's opinion. You are probably of the belief that the Majority of the old testament was written and/or compiled during the babylonian exile. that is all fine and good, but I contend, that even if that was the case, and even if the Bible is mostly fiction, that there were likely any number of figures similar to Abraham from his supposed time period.
SakaScotii 7 months ago
@masala505 If we are to take this skeptical POV, then it is also rational for us to assume that the motivations of these other men were not the same as those of Abraham. For if they were, the story of Abraham would be all the more plausible, and all the less dismissible. I will not try to convince you one way or the other beyond what I have already said. My conclusion is that it is not necessary for all Bronze Agers that WE consider to have be illiterate farmers to actually have been such.
SakaScotii 7 months ago
@masala505 Likewise, if you believe that every Biblical character is either fiction or more recent than some give credit for, and use THIS as proof that the Bible was written instead by Iron Agers, it is still plausible that this was passed down orally or in written form through Bronze Age channels, be they the ramblings of dehydrated olive growers or partial distortions of real history as recorded by more 'civilized' Bronze Agers such as Babylon, Assyria, Sumer, Phoenicia, Egypt, or Greece.
SakaScotii 7 months ago
@SakaScotii I agree with you in terms of characters - some biblical characters I'm sure existed in some shape or form but that's just plain history. Believing however, that they was a miraculous event - birth of Christ - resurrection, etc - is just absolute nonsense. These were superstitious times where people believed that storms were sent by god to punish humanity - of course we know today that stroms xcome because of weather patterns.It's important to separate myth from plausable reality.
masala505 7 months ago
@masala505 I will not try and make a convert out of you, but I think you should know that that even the religious back in the day were capable of comprehending that there were natural mechanisms for a storm, for example. They might even agree with you that God did NOT put his finger in the sea (or some other laughable-if-not-metaphorical direct act) and swirl it around, and say that it was part of His plan from the beginning. Even you must acknowledge that everything that happens has
SakaScotii 7 months ago
@masala505 causality in something that happened not just moments prior, but even in seemingly unrelated things. It is not hard to make the connection between, say, a storm and (I know this is an easy example) the Big Bang. Through eons and eons of cause and effect , the one did TECHNICALLY lead to the other. This maxim can be accepted by a Theist, a Deist, an Agnostic, and an Atheist. It is very simplistic and an easy target, but no less true. Now, if one accepts (as a Theist usually does and
SakaScotii 7 months ago
@masala505 a Deist might, given the proper cajoling) that God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, and timeless (outside of time, whereas 'eternal' could be used to mean within the scope of time, from 'beginning' to 'end'), then it is not necessary at all for Him to supernaturally, directly intercede or intervene in our affairs, although many Theists won't explicitly rule that option out, and most Deists will. Unfortunately, most religious people can't even wrap their minds around these
SakaScotii 7 months ago
@masala505 notions, and most of the few Atheists you can get to listen will do so with the inwardly-expressed purpose of finding something to mock, be it substantial and logical or trivial and rhetorical. I will not accuse you of doing this (I do not even know if you are a Deist, an Agnostic, or an Atheist, but only that you reject the miraculous/supernatural) for I do not wish to provoke you into proving that statement to the detriment of us both and this thus-far open-minded conversation.
SakaScotii 7 months ago
@SakaScotii Firstly, I'm from Switzerland - an athiest country in the sense that people don't beleive in supernatural beings here - gods.You could say that about the US as nobody beleives in Zeuss or Apollo? True? Therefore there's not really a such thing as an athiest. Secondly, if something really miraculous happens - i.e., you jump three buses on a skateboard - it is YOU who has the burden of proof, not me. There is absolutely no proof for your god, or any other god!
masala505 7 months ago
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X1H9EWjqE 1 year ago
I know that from Adam to Moses death is like 2553 years. But here from my point of view: Adam to Noah is 26 Generation right? And how Adam was 930 years old and Seth was 912. So that is 1842 years. But what if Adam was 930 and 8 months and Seth was like 912 and 6 month that would be 1843 years and 2 months. and so on down the line from adam to Moses. so we could be off on the 2553 years because you could probably add 25 years at the most to it bring it to 2578 years.
RBHILL300 1 year ago
@RBHILL300 Hi! I would like to point you to my bible numbers site at 1260-1290-days-bible-prophecy . o r g
Perhaps it will help!
777Shekel777 1 year ago
@RBHILL300 You don't add Adam's life to Seth's life etc on down the line. You only add Adam's years until Seth was BORN, which, if I remember correctly was 130 years. THe years from when Adam stood upon the earth to when Noah and his family landed on mount Ararat is only like 1,500 years if I remember correctly. Pretty sure it is less than 26 generations too. Not trying to be critical, just informative.
SakaScotii 7 months ago
@SakaScotii Yes, I mean from Adam to Moses is 26. if you had counted you would have known what i meant. But if you add Adam yes from seth birth and not death it is 1656 from coming out of the ark.
RBHILL300 7 months ago
@RBHILL300 well, I did consider that, but not having a bible on hand at the time i chose to make the necessary correction and let you sort out the rest. thanks for getting back to me though. i know it was an old thread
cheers
SakaScotii 7 months ago
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This movie explores one of these 'hidden' ones --- hidden for 4000 years!
The acrostic summarizes the plan of salvation from the beginning of time.
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7spirit7of7madibaage 1 year ago
@7spirit7of7madibaage Speaking of "light", this acrostic was further developed. The words "my light" are also in this code, but overlooked. Go to bible-codes. o r g for more. Thus it reads, "I will forgive my enemies, having compassion, forgiving those of the dust once again! Where will my light lead a people?" (Or, "Where will He lead the people of light?" Recall that the Israelites were led by Moses by the pillar of fire by night that gave "light". The acrostic is from Moses genealogy.
777Shekel777 1 year ago
Converted to Islam
alshohoohh 1 year ago
@alshohoohh The prophets of the bible foretold Jesus the Messiah, the savior of the world by laying down his very life for the sins of the world. To look elsewhere is to look in the wrong direction. It is never too late to rethink things! All the best to you!
777Shekel777 1 year ago
@alshohoohh May God reveal to you the truth.
777Shekel777 1 year ago
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RBHILL300 1 year ago
@alshohoohh What a pity. You have chosen a religion that offers no guarantee of salvation unless you are martyred.
hazelmay64 10 months ago
This acrostic has been updated. Please see my website at bible-codes org
777Shekel777 1 year ago
In some ways I like the acrostic bible code better than the names bible code because it cannot be refuted. Not that the names code can, but that people already have tired to refute it with lame arguments against. But the acrostic is so obviously God, and since it is God, than why not expect there to be other codes such as the names bible code in the genealogy of Jesus?
777Shekel777 2 years ago
Dean, known as Shekel, has the best bible code website anywhere. I have checked it every day and have seen this site grow over the past 5 years to be "inspired by GOD. For those drinking milk or theology teachers, all will learn beyond what they expect. go to his site BIBLE-CODES.DOT ORG to see it and post any drams etc at the "Bible Prophecy Forum" Please forward this to your contacts. See the other newest vid posted beside here at 10 min 14 seconds long. You will be amazed. Blessings.
CREDITS4CARBON 2 years ago