there is no pre trib rapture and there is no mid trib rapture its NOT biblical! jesus said we will be killed in many parts of the bible you cant be killed if you are not here! research this and find for yourelf
@twocentsin6 watch the youtube video (the anti christ and the cup of tea) it will show you who the anti christ is by name hint he was last month named as president of the world on the envirorment and will after the nuke say i have a piece plan watch it and spread it
Thanks so much for answering my question:) I also believe many will be saved during the tribulation. My other question is....will these believers be subject to God's wrath?
Remember, the only reason one won't fall for the deception of the antichrist is because his name is written in the lamb's book of life and he will recognize the voice of the messiah, and he'll know that the antichrist is an imposter.
If the believers who become believers, supposedly after the rapture, avoid the hour of tribulation that is to come upon the world because of the world's wickedness doesn't need to be raptured out to avoid it, then neither do you.
I feel we should be more set on the fact that the Lord could call us home at any moment and live a life according to his will on this regard. God could number our days tonight and take us home. Whether or not he returns before or after the tribulation is not something I'm worried about.
I know he will return, and I also know that I could die tonight, so I want to live each moment for him. Living for him in this moment, it may be all we have here.
I thought I might mention that I was a pre-trib rapture believer for over 20 years. I wanted nothing more than to believe that it was true. People tried to convince me otherwise, and no way, no how would I believe them. The only reason I started to finally wonder whether it was true was when I started digging into the scriptures, and even studying the verses which I thought taught the pre-trib rapture.
I mean who doesn't want to believe in a pre-trib rapture...
Some would consider you crazy if you don't because who wouldn't want to avoid trials and tribulation if they could?
One thing you brought up was about how the believers are not appointed to wrath. I fully agree. We have been saved through faith in Christ and are not appointed to God's wrath because the work of Christ calmed his anger against us as our sins have been removed.
However, you seem to be associating that verse with the tribulation, declaring the tribulation to be..
the wrath of God. Upon this line of thinking, I have a question. Do you not believe that people become believers after the rapture? If so, are they subject to God's wrath?
The day of the Lord will come upon the unbelievers like a thief, not the believers though because the believers were given things to keep watch out for. Things that prelude his coming so that we might know that his return is close.
Those who are watching, it will not come upon them like a thief. We do have to acknowledge, as much as I didn't want to realize this, but the very fact that Peter was told what death he would die showed them that Jesus would not return in his..
life time. This takes away the thought that the rapture could happen anytime. We're also told about a bunch of things that must happen before his return could, that again shows that his return was not imminent. These are little hints that show us that what Jesus said in Matthew was true about how we'd be gathered after the tribulation, after the rise of the antichrist, as shown in 1 Thessalonians:
2Th 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
Before our gathering unto the Lord the man of perdition must be revealed. This fits with Matthew 24. I mean read verse 1 and 2..it's speaking of the day of Christ...that it won't happen until the man of sin is revealed.
Check out these two verses, and compare it with Rev 3:10:
2Th 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep [you] from evil.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
He said he would keep us from falling and keep us from evil. Since he can keep us from falling and keep us from evil without rapturing us out, would it not stand to reason that...
Let's look at the scriptures regarding the day of the Lord:
Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
2 Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Let's take a look and see when these things happen:
Mat 24:29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
According to Joel 2:31 the sun turns to darkness and the moon to blood before the day of the Lord, and according to Matthew 24 the sun turning to darkness happens after the tribulation and just before the Lord's...
This means the day of the Lord occurs after the tribulation, rather than during....and it's also this day of the Lord that comes like a thief in the night for those who aren't prepared. The thief in the night is not a reference to the pre-trib rapture.
@twocentsin6 but your exact words were "god is keeping you blind" indicating that god is the one at fault for your blindness. I read the bible when someone references a passage i am unfamiliar with, or when i am looking for a particular passage to backup a point i'm making.
@twocentsin6 My point with Jeffrey was to show that if you change the name of the person the blame belongs to a person blinding you with god you blame the person. It was an analogy.
it's alright, you didn't realize it was over a year old.
What does it take to be ready for the Lord's coming? What does it take to ensure that the Lord returns for you, regardless of when?
Also, teaching a different theory does not stop a person from being ready because any logical christian understands that there are two ways you may meet the Lord...1. Death - which can strike at any time of day...2. the return of the Lord. You never know when he will call you home<---that is the immediacy of deciding.
your words exactly. "god is keeping you blind" change that to "jeffery is keeping you blind" and jeffery is at fault for your blindness. but when "god is keeping you blind" god is not at fault for your blindness? this makes no sense.
also, why did you comment on a post over a year old? i seriously hate it when people do this...
@twocentsin6 I'll bet u have scripture on that to rite? LOL What will happen is that ppl with common sense and a natural understanding of love and forgivness will "leave" this lower density world behind and rise to netx density that is the fourth. Thats it! The other ones, christians and muslims and others that can't do their own thinking will be here as they always been, suffering and murdering each other in the names of their gods. How mercyful and full of justice is that :))
Not in the best of your dreams will Israel be destroyed and in no way will Christianity and muslim live happily ever after because JESUS the KING OF THE JEWS will utterly destroy islam
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the 9/11 attacks were not solely the responsibility of any one group. Feel free to call this a Consp. Theory, but the world leaders are doing what they can to bring about a new world order.
The events you are seeing even today are pre-planned to bring it about. There is nothing new under the sun.
@tubedude101 Yes, we are in troubled times, but not yet in the time called THE GREAT TRIBULATION which is a 7 year period of never before multiples of judgments of God in His wrath, on the Earth...on Israel and on Nations, especially those that are Anti-Israel.
I am going to block you now for your disrespect in your comment. I suggest you make your points without a nasty slur.
Thank you for sending me the link to this video. I agree with most of it with just a few exceptions. We do not believe the church, the Body of Christ is the Lamb's bride nor don we believe we are sheep. The term sheep refers to the saved of Israel and and the Bride is saved Israel. Whereas God issued a divorce from Israel He will remarry her in the future when this church ends. Having said that I still enjoyed the message and music :)) in Christ - John
@1shabuti1 Sinning is not exclusive to Israel.God will deliver her as the video above says and in "more info". Your concern should be to reach the lost in America, with the Gospel of Jesus Christ BEFORE great and perhaps FINAL judgment comes down on her for all her collective sins and those committed against God on Israel. I say, we should have given her Bibles in huge air drops and not M1 Tanks and Atomic Bomb technology as well as demand they divide land they DO NOT OWN! GOD DOES!
God bless you,it will be great day when my Lord will come and take his bride to heaven.i am longing for the time when lord will set His throne at Jerusalem
What you describe sounds sensible and possible, but there is no more time left.
The Demon YHWH time is OVER
There will be great undoing but only evil will be destroyed (USA UK Israel)
The world will go to simpler times after the workers of evil , USA UK Israel are destroyed. They will be the architects of their own undoing. The people of the world will not soil their hands on their evil blood.
@greenman92553 It's sad when someone your age does not know any history and so makes a very bad choice as to which side to stand on. Israel is the Chosen and even recent history shows they will triumph over impossible odds as they have always done throughout history. The US UK they are weaken because of lack of support for Israel but there is still those that God will spare because they are true to Him. All who come against Israil will be destroyed.
@greenman92553 You will tremble when you stand before him on judgement day. Your choice to follow the True God of the Jews or to burn in Hell. Even so get an education so you do not post such idiot statements as on your channel. History clearly shows your views of the world to be messed up wreath er you believe in God or not.
Israel isn't a terrorist country. They are desperately trying to survive in a world that has been trying to exterminate them from day one. There has never been a country that has been so hated in all the world. Neither has there been a country that has managed to survive after being ripped apart like Israel has.
They are under the protection of the Lord, and those who come against her better be careful.
Most who believe in a pre trib rapture believe that the church has to be raptured to avoid the wrath of God unleashed during the tribulation. Now some who believe this also believe that the tribulation saints won't be subject to God's wrath either, that they'll be supernaturally protected while here on earth.
My question basically is: if the tribulation saints don't have to be raptured out to avoid the wrath during the tribulation, why does the church have to be?
I believe after all the vials, all the trumpets, all the seals have been completed is when Jesus will return on the clouds of heaven, and the millennium will be ushered in:) I basically believe the same as you, except for the timing of the rapture, if that helps any?
those who go in the rapture believed, made themselves ready, went thru trials for believing (many reasons) "had oil in their lamps" with plenty of oil (read the story Kjv, study and come to your own conclusion, create your own obtained by study. Those in the trib didn't believe, have faith, kept living in sin etc. so they must pay their dues (of sorts).
When the people of old died for their faith, just as those in the tribulation will, were they just paying their dues? I think we forget that they will be saved the same way we are, the same way we have for centuries. They'll have it the most difficult of all, but there is something that you learn in difficulties that you don't learn when things are easy...
You come to appreciate things more and are way more thankful than when the going is easy. Their voices will reach....
more than ours ever could. Imagine a people who through the worst trials in history have the strength in the name of God to stand. They will be more of a living breathing testimony than anyone and reach thousands.
there is nothing like a trial to refine a person, or refine those around them. It's not about them paying their dues, its about God's name being glorified in the worst time in all of history.
I remember thinking at one point that if the church were here during the tribulation, and the church was being killed, that somehow that would mean that the gates of hell would prevail over the church and the bible tells us that that would never happen.
But does our body dying really mean that the gates of hell is prevailing? satan may think so, but was Jesus really overcome, or did Jesus himself overcome and beat the gates of hell?
Yeah, I understand Thank you. I do believe it is pretrib for very valid reasons yet keep an open mind..I mean we really aren't carve in stone positive when the Trib starts, we have ideas but to prove this just look at all the different scenarios there are for all of it. God bless..see you there!
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
We can't forget the verse which follows Matthew 24:30
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
And we know from other passages that when he comes to take us home, he comes with the sound of a trumpet and a loud voice.
So much arguing, different opnions and those who poo poo the rapture are most outspoken and dead against the belief. I often wonder why it upsets them so, they get almost rabid against those who believe in the "blessed" hope. Interesting!
It's not that they don't believe in a blessed hope, they just don't believe the "blessed hope" is pre-trib. They speak adamantly against it because some people base their faith on him coming before the trib, and if that teaching is wrong, it could cause a great falling away. Their faith will take a hard hit.
It's not that they don't want it to be pre-trib, they'd love it to be, but they just don't think that is what the bible teaches and don't want people losing hope if it doesn't
The Catholic Church is Israel. The old covenant is superseded by the new. The Church is Israel. Jesus is lord. Attention all Jews God still cares for you come to Baptism you need to receive Jesus as lord and be Baptized to be saved anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong.
@TheAmericanRifleman God will not listen to what people label other people, but to what they themselves say who they are and what they stand for. Christians support Zionism through Israel is a fact.
She will be given wings like an eagle to flee to the place prepared for her in the wilderness. I, and many, believe that place is Petra in Jordan. Petra is a centuries old rock fortress. A sister in Christ has informed me about a year ago that the Jordanians have started installing plumbing. I think it's definitely a sign of the times.
Also Hebrew headlines a few years ago stated that huge numbers of carrion birds were taking up residence in Israel. Another precursor of things to come.
This is actually an excellent brief summary of the Dispensational, Pre-tribulational, Pre-millenial position. This is the only position that fits the Biblical data. Kudos.
I like your channel but I have to disagree with you on this one. The pre-trib rapture is not scriptural. I dont want to debate you I'm just stating a fact. Several of the verses cited here are taken out of context. Again, I like your channel but the churches pushing the Rapture are misinformed.
@Pjaynes781 I think to say you are "stating a fact" here is utterly untenable. I firmly believe in the Dispensational, Pre-tribulational, Pre-millenial position but I would never say it is "fact." I would simply say that my position, based on my study of scripture, best fits the Biblical data. It is the only position that allows a literal, grammatical, historical reading of the Biblical text. Other positions require allegorizing various passages which is a slippery slope...
@egwpisteuw I would use the word, "Fact" in the sense that when one looks at the scriptures in its context, the pre trib rapture makes no sense. I guess its not a fact in the sense that it can be proven with 100% accuracy. Scripture is open to interpretation so, I do agree with you on that. But after years of research and study I'm pretty convinced that the pre trib rapture is a misinterpretation by man.
@Pjaynes781 O.K. That is an honest position. We must all strive to "rightly divide the word of truth" (2 tim 2:15) and "work out our salvation with fear and trembling." (Phil 2:12). May I ask what your position is vis-a-vis the rapture?
@egwpisteuw I take the position of the mid to end of the trib rapture. I use the word, Rapture, very loosely. I've done studies for years, I grew up in an Apostolic / Pentecostal church and they were huge into the, "Rapture". After I deprogrammed I found my way to a Jewish believing church. My pastor is an older Hebrew man and he speaks fluent Hebrew, he's really helped me in the way of biblical interpretation. But again, some scripture seems to have multiple meanings but no so when looked at
@Pjaynes781 Ah, yes. To look at the scriptures from the Hebrew perspective is indeed a great blessing. My Greek is very strong (see my videos if you are interested in the Koine Greek) but my Hebrew is bare bones "working knowledge." I am currently laboring to improve it.
@Pjaynes781 (cont.) The church age is now being intercalated. When week 70 begins the Church is abruptly taken off the scene, because week 70 is a continuation of OT prophecy. Thus church can have no part in it--otherwise it cannot be a μυστήριον.
@Pjaynes781 Vis-a vis the rapture, there are many points to consider but taking the 50,000 foot view, the Church is a μυστήριον (mystery), TOTALLY unknown in the OT. The OT prophetic timeline has stopped abruptly at Daniel's 69th Week "unto Messiah the Prince" (Dan 9:25) (cont.)
Do you people here really think god exists and is of the version you have chosen? Its not one of those *other* gods invented by humans, yup ours is the right one..... Do you realize how pitiful that is?
I hear these people talk about how sure they are that the Rapture is going to happen any day now, certainly (they think) it will happen in the next decade. However, I wonder if they are as serious as they claim because they still do stuff like save for retirement and make investments, things that you wouldn't be concerned with if you were as sure that the world was about to end as you are that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow.
I do believe in the Rapture, The Tribulation, The Great Tribulation, the Glories Appearing. For all those people out there who want to know more...check out Revelation. ;) Almost everywhere you look there proves that there is a God out there. Anyone can argue against what I said, but to me, it's a mute point.
Can't you Christianotards realize that people have predicted the end of the world every few years, and nonthinking childish retards don't notice when the goalposts are set back. Or that nobody has ever seen your evil hypocrite god before,only claiming to. Start thinking rationally, people.
They didn't actually predict any end of the world. They thought up a story, and told everybody to worship it as true.
The same with the American so-called 'gov-t'.
Everybody is told to respect and even 'worship' CIA, while they have quite an interesting record... and what they did not so very long time ago in the Middle East? Plus the US hires mercenaries. O.o
The end is upon everybody - a nuclear end. Israel and Iran are itching for a fight.
Doesn't mean the world will end, as in the planet being destroyed. Maybe there will be a huge war, a catastrophe, even the extinction of the human race (not likely though), but even if those happen, the planet will remain intact.
@Billymaysfan6837 Yeah, but AFAIK, the Bible doesn't tell about a 'total end' of a planet either. :-)
Personally I think the HUMAN world is going to destroy itself by humans... O.o Or severely damaged - as you said - the extinction of a human race, or a planet being devastated.
Either way, there's a chance it can happen. As long as there are threats as North Korea or 'minor' conflicts between countries. One day it can end in a bigger conflict... when countries pick up sides of the quarrel. = /
@deshadower The bible does tell of the 'total end' of the Earth. John " looked and saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old ones had been destroyed".
@Billymaysfan6837 Spoken like a true heathen :) All will repent and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, but billions will do it too late. Sadly you're on a one way road to fire and brimstone. Mock what you don't understand while you can, because when you finally receive the knowledge, you will beg for salvation, and it won't come.
Yes, so in order to save myself, i must believe that a cosmic jewish zombie who was his own father and can make me live forever if i symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically bow down to him as my master so he can remove an evil present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magic tree? So i can be saved from an invisible man in red pajamas and his land of fire where his children stick pitchforks in my ass?
@Billymaysfan6837 lol interesting word play and no, u dont have to "eat his flesh". Just ask Jesus into your heart and thats about it :) Living a clean life helps too tho. Funny thing is, you already know God exists, and if he does, then Satan does aswell, and Satan is very pleased with you for pretending you're ignorant, well done ^^
I don't "know" that god exists and neither do you. And why do you assume i have a "dirty life". Don't be a typical Christian who assumes i am immoral just because i don't follow your sheep morals. i have my own morals and i am much happier thinking for myself.
@Billymaysfan6837 Lol we both know you know God exists and you just come to these kinda arguments wanting someone to guide you to the perfect life hand in hand. sorry but i cant do that. U may hate ur life or love it, fact is, u need to find the truth on ur own. gl with the hunt :)
lol no nobody knows that god exists. There is no such thing as perfect, as everyone's defenition of perfect is different. There is no God, there is not a single shred of evidence for his existence. Faith is not evidence, "miracles" are not evidence, there is no scientific evidence for his existence, so we have no logical reason to believe in him unless we have evidence. Otherwise, why not believe in leprechauns, unicorns, or Bigfoot and his violin-playing talents?
@Billymaysfan6837 Trying to convince that you doubt God exists is proving to me that you really really want to believe in Him. How cute ^^ Gl with the search, my friend :)
There is no god and there will be no "tribulation". Only tribulation comin is the one when those who can think for themselves leave all the childish morons who can't behind and move on to a new better world on this very planet.
In the New Testament, the clearest indication we get in the timing department is found in 1 Thes. 1:9-10. The Greek word translated from in this passage is apo. Taken literally, it means were to be rescued from the time, the place, or any relation to Gods wrath. It denotes both departure and separation. This is supported by 1 Thes. 5:9 that declares, For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ
@JoBernard12oxen If the Rapture is the Second Coming, how did the 24 elders get to Heaven before the Tribulation, (Revelation 4, 5, and 6) and how did the Lamb's WIFE get up there before the Second Coming/Rapture?
The Rapture of the Church is NOT at the Second Coming.
you sir, have none Christian spirit about you, you are of the world, your speech betrays you, you speech is in your attitude and your persistence to lie without a trace of shame, God hates the proud and arrogant, lying lips and feet swift to run to evil: your unwillingness to confess you have missed the mark on one point after another show just how hard you run from one lie to another: unrepentant when you are corrected. The beast and the false prophets will have their part in the lake of fire
Re: "the marriage supper actually occurs in heaven, you have projected that lie into it to make your point.
No, dummy. I said the feast is on EARTH, AFTER THE BRIDE HAS BEEN UNITED WITH CHRIST IN HEAVEN following the Rapture. The WIFE comes down from Heaven at the Second Coming for the Feast. The feast is enjoyed by the birds of the air after Christ's enemies are slain on the earth. You can't even quote me right, much less quote the Bible right.
Let's see how you can pervert this one. In Revelation 6, after the Throne is set and when the Lamb opens the seals, the TRIBULATION STARTS, not the White Throne Judgment. The 24 ELDERS ARE SEEN IN HEAVEN. How did they get up there before the Tribulation if there has been no resurrection of the righteous yet?
amillinialist believe there is no thousand year rein and that we are currently in a reign of Christ
the bible say's: and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
impossible to reign with Christ 1000 yr( fig. indef. time) b4 1st resurrection
You seriously need a remedial reading class. The SECOND resurrection is for the DEAD, to be judged at the White Throne Judgment after the Millennial Reign. If you are dead, condolences. Christians are alive forevermore.
you said Paul was writing to reassure the Church as Thessalonica that their false teachers and false apostles writing counterfeit letters were wrong and that THEY (the Church) had not missed the Blessed Hope
the bible says II Thess. 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
It is impossible for your reason to be Paul's reason, the two are different.
the bible says I Thess 5:2 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night II Thess 2:2 as that the day of Christ is at hand.
It is impossible to meet the Lord in the air without him coming there for us.
Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:
Christ's BODY becomes immortal BEFORE THE SECOND COMING.
Imagine a King coming to get His beloved and giving her a 10-second "I do" in the back of the car on the way to a bloody slaughter. That's no Jewish wedding, and no King who loves His body the Church would do such a thing. The marriage is IN HEAVEN DURING THE TRIBULATION.
you are trying to make a case for the pretribulation rapture by saying the marriage occurs in heaven before Christ coming
there are praises in heaven acknowledging the marriage supper has come but you haven't got a leg to stand on that "the marriage supper actually occurs in heaven, you have projected that lie into it to make your point.
If the marriage supper occurs in heaven produce solid scripture, else you are adding to the prophecy of this book and surely your reward will be accordingly
you said The Church, after being wedded, returns from Heaven WITH Christ in Revelation 19.
the bible says For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
It is impossible to wed with Christ before being taken by him
Re: "It is impossible to wed with Christ before being taken by him"
That's your problem, not mine. The married WIFE is in Heaven WITH CHRIST at the end of the Tribulation before the Second Coming. The Rapture is not the Second Coming. The Church is not appointed unto wrath, or to hide in the hills of Judea. The Church is Christ's BODY and is reckoned to be ALREADY PURE, not in need of purging to save a Remnant of the Jewish race.
you say: The married WIFE is in Heaven WITH CHRIST at the end of the Tribulation before the Second Coming.
bible says: Rev. 19:1 And after these things...For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand
Rev 19 marriage is AFTER man of sin rule, it is impossible to have the marriage before
you ignore rapture/devil bound '"same day" trib. is on man of sin. u lie
RE: "Rev 19 marriage is AFTER man of sin rule, it is impossible to have the marriage before"
The only thing you can prove is that the marriage takes place in Heaven before the Second Coming, while the man of sin is revealed in the Trib. THE THRONE THAT IS SET IS THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST, where saints receive their rewards for service to Christ after they were saved. It definitely happens with a bride that is already IN HEAVEN DURING THE TRIBULATION, and who IS LIKE HIM.
the Judgment throne is set after Christ return after rapture/man of sin put down after marriage supper after thousand year (fig. time indef.) reign after Satan is loosed after gathering to battle Christ reigning kingdom after saints camp surrounded after fire rain down destruction after second resurrection after the first earth has passed away "and there was no place found for them you talk about my reading, how did you miss that? Pretrib is your god, and the devil is the father of it.
The Judgment Seat of Christ is set in Heaven while the Tribulation is happening on earth, and Christians receive their rewards for service.
"Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."
Revelation 4 is not Rev. 20:11, which is 1000 years later.
you said The passage (II 2:3-8) has to do with the Tribulation Saints, also called the Remnant of Israel, and has nothing to do with the Gentile Church.
The bible says and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, ....That ye be not soon shaken in mind, ... nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you
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sprinkle888 4 weeks ago
This end time information you have given us here was a very good explanation of things to come... Well done, man of God!
drufaith1 4 weeks ago
there is no pre trib rapture and there is no mid trib rapture its NOT biblical! jesus said we will be killed in many parts of the bible you cant be killed if you are not here! research this and find for yourelf
johninitforfun 4 weeks ago
@twocentsin6 watch the youtube video (the anti christ and the cup of tea) it will show you who the anti christ is by name hint he was last month named as president of the world on the envirorment and will after the nuke say i have a piece plan watch it and spread it
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Thanks so much for answering my question:) I also believe many will be saved during the tribulation. My other question is....will these believers be subject to God's wrath?
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Do you believe that there will be people who become believers after the rapture? such as in the left behind series?
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
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Remember, the only reason one won't fall for the deception of the antichrist is because his name is written in the lamb's book of life and he will recognize the voice of the messiah, and he'll know that the antichrist is an imposter.
If the believers who become believers, supposedly after the rapture, avoid the hour of tribulation that is to come upon the world because of the world's wickedness doesn't need to be raptured out to avoid it, then neither do you.
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I feel we should be more set on the fact that the Lord could call us home at any moment and live a life according to his will on this regard. God could number our days tonight and take us home. Whether or not he returns before or after the tribulation is not something I'm worried about.
I know he will return, and I also know that I could die tonight, so I want to live each moment for him. Living for him in this moment, it may be all we have here.
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Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@twocentsin6
I thought I might mention that I was a pre-trib rapture believer for over 20 years. I wanted nothing more than to believe that it was true. People tried to convince me otherwise, and no way, no how would I believe them. The only reason I started to finally wonder whether it was true was when I started digging into the scriptures, and even studying the verses which I thought taught the pre-trib rapture.
I mean who doesn't want to believe in a pre-trib rapture...
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
Some would consider you crazy if you don't because who wouldn't want to avoid trials and tribulation if they could?
One thing you brought up was about how the believers are not appointed to wrath. I fully agree. We have been saved through faith in Christ and are not appointed to God's wrath because the work of Christ calmed his anger against us as our sins have been removed.
However, you seem to be associating that verse with the tribulation, declaring the tribulation to be..
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
the wrath of God. Upon this line of thinking, I have a question. Do you not believe that people become believers after the rapture? If so, are they subject to God's wrath?
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
The day of the Lord will come upon the unbelievers like a thief, not the believers though because the believers were given things to keep watch out for. Things that prelude his coming so that we might know that his return is close.
Those who are watching, it will not come upon them like a thief. We do have to acknowledge, as much as I didn't want to realize this, but the very fact that Peter was told what death he would die showed them that Jesus would not return in his..
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
life time. This takes away the thought that the rapture could happen anytime. We're also told about a bunch of things that must happen before his return could, that again shows that his return was not imminent. These are little hints that show us that what Jesus said in Matthew was true about how we'd be gathered after the tribulation, after the rise of the antichrist, as shown in 1 Thessalonians:
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Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
2Th 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
Before our gathering unto the Lord the man of perdition must be revealed. This fits with Matthew 24. I mean read verse 1 and 2..it's speaking of the day of Christ...that it won't happen until the man of sin is revealed.
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
Check out these two verses, and compare it with Rev 3:10:
2Th 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep [you] from evil.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
He said he would keep us from falling and keep us from evil. Since he can keep us from falling and keep us from evil without rapturing us out, would it not stand to reason that...
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
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Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
Twocentsin6, it is always a learning experience to read your video comment posts!
AbaloneKid 1 month ago
@twocentsin6
Let's look at the scriptures regarding the day of the Lord:
Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
2 Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
Let's take a look and see when these things happen:
Mat 24:29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
According to Joel 2:31 the sun turns to darkness and the moon to blood before the day of the Lord, and according to Matthew 24 the sun turning to darkness happens after the tribulation and just before the Lord's...
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
return..
This means the day of the Lord occurs after the tribulation, rather than during....and it's also this day of the Lord that comes like a thief in the night for those who aren't prepared. The thief in the night is not a reference to the pre-trib rapture.
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@twocentsin6 /watch?v=yVzetwq7_Uc
satanisthetruegod666 1 month ago
@twocentsin6 at least we can agree on that.
satanisthetruegod666 1 month ago
@twocentsin6 but your exact words were "god is keeping you blind" indicating that god is the one at fault for your blindness. I read the bible when someone references a passage i am unfamiliar with, or when i am looking for a particular passage to backup a point i'm making.
satanisthetruegod666 1 month ago
@twocentsin6 My point with Jeffrey was to show that if you change the name of the person the blame belongs to a person blinding you with god you blame the person. It was an analogy.
it's alright, you didn't realize it was over a year old.
satanisthetruegod666 1 month ago
@twocentsin6
What day does the bible say will happen like a thief in the night?
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@twocentsin6
What does it take to be ready for the Lord's coming? What does it take to ensure that the Lord returns for you, regardless of when?
Also, teaching a different theory does not stop a person from being ready because any logical christian understands that there are two ways you may meet the Lord...1. Death - which can strike at any time of day...2. the return of the Lord. You never know when he will call you home<---that is the immediacy of deciding.
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@twocentsin6 happy new year to you as well.
"For some reason, God is keeping you blind."
your words exactly. "god is keeping you blind" change that to "jeffery is keeping you blind" and jeffery is at fault for your blindness. but when "god is keeping you blind" god is not at fault for your blindness? this makes no sense.
also, why did you comment on a post over a year old? i seriously hate it when people do this...
satanisthetruegod666 1 month ago
@twocentsin6 then it will be god's fault when he sends me to hell won't it.
satanisthetruegod666 1 month ago
@twocentsin6 Btw, what a fukin necro moron posterboy u are, I did this post a year ago LOOL
kaxitaksi 1 month ago
@twocentsin6 I'll bet u have scripture on that to rite? LOL What will happen is that ppl with common sense and a natural understanding of love and forgivness will "leave" this lower density world behind and rise to netx density that is the fourth. Thats it! The other ones, christians and muslims and others that can't do their own thinking will be here as they always been, suffering and murdering each other in the names of their gods. How mercyful and full of justice is that :))
kaxitaksi 1 month ago
@twocentsin6 "I have scripture to back this." MG ur an idiot!!
kaxitaksi 1 month ago
@twocentsin6
Why do you believe that someone wouldn't be ready for the Lord if they don't believe in a pre-trib rapture?
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
Beautyful my friend.
God bless you.
I wish you a very good evening.
Sweet greetings Lia.
108lia 2 months ago
Keep your eyes looking up, pray, read the word, keep serving, be ready, cause our Lord's coming draws nigh!!
Jesus is the way so you don't get lost, Jesus is the truth so you can't be deceived, Jesus is the life so that the devil can't kill you.
Barbeeznet 2 months ago
Even so, come quickly LORD Jesus.
Thanks for the video. Well done.
reginaDexant 2 months ago
Just want to say that I truly appreciate this video! Very nicely done. Love and Blessings!
Tonytime1 2 months ago
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check this video out. learn the truth
whyahmadiyya 3 months ago
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It was "Brides for Hitler" and nows its "Settlers for Gaza".
MendingMedia 3 months ago
Shallon Maleiko ....my hearth cry.... but is real ....Ysrael is a termostatic of the World.....
ursobranco100 3 months ago
Great video! I agree. The righteous is delivered from trouble, and it comes to the wicked instead. Prov.11:8
paulojose1955 3 months ago
this is evil bull shit
seknight86 4 months ago
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Why do you lie?
montanakid1a 4 months ago
alternative to this scenario, Israeli crazy government will get destroyed and jews, christians and muslims will live happily ever after!
iHayder 4 months ago
@iHayder
Not in the best of your dreams will Israel be destroyed and in no way will Christianity and muslim live happily ever after because JESUS the KING OF THE JEWS will utterly destroy islam
hannahr77 3 months ago
@hannahr77 alright.. there's one way to know.. waiting
iHayder 3 months ago
Amen!
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CBYakima 5 months ago
Thanks for this video, and God Bless
elboyo2009 5 months ago
Thanks for sharing this video.
dwCrooner 5 months ago
@1shabuti1
the 9/11 attacks were not solely the responsibility of any one group. Feel free to call this a Consp. Theory, but the world leaders are doing what they can to bring about a new world order.
The events you are seeing even today are pre-planned to bring it about. There is nothing new under the sun.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
we are in tribulation you dork
tubedude101 6 months ago
@tubedude101 Yes, we are in troubled times, but not yet in the time called THE GREAT TRIBULATION which is a 7 year period of never before multiples of judgments of God in His wrath, on the Earth...on Israel and on Nations, especially those that are Anti-Israel.
I am going to block you now for your disrespect in your comment. I suggest you make your points without a nasty slur.
CBYakima 6 months ago
@CBYakima where does the bible say a 7 year tribulation ? thank you
Citcam1 2 days ago
@1shabuti1
I'm curious. Why do you believe it was Israel that attacked the USA on 9/11?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim OMG!!
keep your hope in him m8
marktimmer2212 6 months ago
@marktimmer2212
Always will keep my hope in Christ Jesus:) God bless
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@S7E4L7H It's not religion, IT'S JESUS CHRIST WHO IS GOD!
CBYakima 7 months ago
Excellent video brother
joselinema 7 months ago
Correction I meant to say "when this church age ends" The church itself will of course never end :)
bibledoctrine 7 months ago
Thank you for sending me the link to this video. I agree with most of it with just a few exceptions. We do not believe the church, the Body of Christ is the Lamb's bride nor don we believe we are sheep. The term sheep refers to the saved of Israel and and the Bride is saved Israel. Whereas God issued a divorce from Israel He will remarry her in the future when this church ends. Having said that I still enjoyed the message and music :)) in Christ - John
bibledoctrine 7 months ago
@CBYakima,Amen keep up the good work. God bless you.
Bethelchiku 7 months ago
@1shabuti1 It was Islam that attacked. The 19 hi-jackers were Muslims.
Ashashie1 7 months ago
I am very glad to see you again after so long time, thank you very much.
BESTARTMASTERPIECES 7 months ago
@1shabuti1 Sinning is not exclusive to Israel.God will deliver her as the video above says and in "more info". Your concern should be to reach the lost in America, with the Gospel of Jesus Christ BEFORE great and perhaps FINAL judgment comes down on her for all her collective sins and those committed against God on Israel. I say, we should have given her Bibles in huge air drops and not M1 Tanks and Atomic Bomb technology as well as demand they divide land they DO NOT OWN! GOD DOES!
CBYakima 7 months ago 4
@CBYakima AMEN AMEN & AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!
darizzle7 7 months ago
Thanks for beautiful video!
Yuriy21 7 months ago
God bless you,it will be great day when my Lord will come and take his bride to heaven.i am longing for the time when lord will set His throne at Jerusalem
asifsgm 8 months ago
@m34a
If you are Zionist keep up the good work, buy if you are a goyim then you are pathetic
greenman92553 8 months ago
@m34a
Come on boy get back on subject
greenman92553 8 months ago
@m34a
Im happy that you are enjoying the mirror Im putting in front of you.
greenman92553 8 months ago
I do 100% agree, but the bride is not the church.
The church is the body of Christ.
His bride is Israel, if there is a marriage, the church (&Christ as the head) is the groom .
akkafietje 8 months ago
What you describe sounds sensible and possible, but there is no more time left.
The Demon YHWH time is OVER
There will be great undoing but only evil will be destroyed (USA UK Israel)
The world will go to simpler times after the workers of evil , USA UK Israel are destroyed. They will be the architects of their own undoing. The people of the world will not soil their hands on their evil blood.
greenman92553 8 months ago
@greenman92553 HAHAHAHA, IDIOT
m34a 8 months ago
@m34a
he who laughs last......
greenman92553 8 months ago
@greenman92553 Yes but it won't be you.
m34a 8 months ago
@m34a
Well see...
We dont have to wait long....
greenman92553 8 months ago
@greenman92553 It's sad when someone your age does not know any history and so makes a very bad choice as to which side to stand on. Israel is the Chosen and even recent history shows they will triumph over impossible odds as they have always done throughout history. The US UK they are weaken because of lack of support for Israel but there is still those that God will spare because they are true to Him. All who come against Israil will be destroyed.
m34a 8 months ago
@m34a
Brainwashed idiot
greenman92553 8 months ago
@greenman92553 Yes you are. So sad.
m34a 8 months ago
@m34a
What part of YHWH is OVER dont you undestand?
Your god is DEAD
greenman92553 8 months ago
@greenman92553 You will tremble when you stand before him on judgement day. Your choice to follow the True God of the Jews or to burn in Hell. Even so get an education so you do not post such idiot statements as on your channel. History clearly shows your views of the world to be messed up wreath er you believe in God or not.
m34a 8 months ago
@m34a
Should I worship the Jews or just their god?
You are disgusting
greenman92553 8 months ago
@greenman92553 HAHA When the baby can't win they throw temper tantams.
m34a 8 months ago
@m34a
Should I worship the Jews or just their god?
greenman92553 8 months ago
Israel keeps pissing on America and America thinks its raining.
MendingMedia 8 months ago
@MendingMedia
Israel isn't a terrorist country. They are desperately trying to survive in a world that has been trying to exterminate them from day one. There has never been a country that has been so hated in all the world. Neither has there been a country that has managed to survive after being ripped apart like Israel has.
They are under the protection of the Lord, and those who come against her better be careful.
Myhopeisinhim 8 months ago
@mark0454
Most who believe in a pre trib rapture believe that the church has to be raptured to avoid the wrath of God unleashed during the tribulation. Now some who believe this also believe that the tribulation saints won't be subject to God's wrath either, that they'll be supernaturally protected while here on earth.
My question basically is: if the tribulation saints don't have to be raptured out to avoid the wrath during the tribulation, why does the church have to be?
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Myhopeisinhim 8 months ago
I believe after all the vials, all the trumpets, all the seals have been completed is when Jesus will return on the clouds of heaven, and the millennium will be ushered in:) I basically believe the same as you, except for the timing of the rapture, if that helps any?
Myhopeisinhim 8 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Excuse my butting in but I had to ( =?
those who go in the rapture believed, made themselves ready, went thru trials for believing (many reasons) "had oil in their lamps" with plenty of oil (read the story Kjv, study and come to your own conclusion, create your own obtained by study. Those in the trib didn't believe, have faith, kept living in sin etc. so they must pay their dues (of sorts).
ThePsalm40 8 months ago
@ThePsalm40
When the people of old died for their faith, just as those in the tribulation will, were they just paying their dues? I think we forget that they will be saved the same way we are, the same way we have for centuries. They'll have it the most difficult of all, but there is something that you learn in difficulties that you don't learn when things are easy...
You come to appreciate things more and are way more thankful than when the going is easy. Their voices will reach....
Myhopeisinhim 8 months ago
more than ours ever could. Imagine a people who through the worst trials in history have the strength in the name of God to stand. They will be more of a living breathing testimony than anyone and reach thousands.
there is nothing like a trial to refine a person, or refine those around them. It's not about them paying their dues, its about God's name being glorified in the worst time in all of history.
Myhopeisinhim 8 months ago
I remember thinking at one point that if the church were here during the tribulation, and the church was being killed, that somehow that would mean that the gates of hell would prevail over the church and the bible tells us that that would never happen.
But does our body dying really mean that the gates of hell is prevailing? satan may think so, but was Jesus really overcome, or did Jesus himself overcome and beat the gates of hell?
Myhopeisinhim 8 months ago
Yeah, I understand Thank you. I do believe it is pretrib for very valid reasons yet keep an open mind..I mean we really aren't carve in stone positive when the Trib starts, we have ideas but to prove this just look at all the different scenarios there are for all of it. God bless..see you there!
ThePsalm40 8 months ago
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Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
BartofGod 8 months ago
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@BartofGod
We can't forget the verse which follows Matthew 24:30
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
And we know from other passages that when he comes to take us home, he comes with the sound of a trumpet and a loud voice.
Myhopeisinhim 8 months ago
So much arguing, different opnions and those who poo poo the rapture are most outspoken and dead against the belief. I often wonder why it upsets them so, they get almost rabid against those who believe in the "blessed" hope. Interesting!
ThePsalm40 8 months ago
@ThePsalm40
It's not that they don't believe in a blessed hope, they just don't believe the "blessed hope" is pre-trib. They speak adamantly against it because some people base their faith on him coming before the trib, and if that teaching is wrong, it could cause a great falling away. Their faith will take a hard hit.
It's not that they don't want it to be pre-trib, they'd love it to be, but they just don't think that is what the bible teaches and don't want people losing hope if it doesn't
Myhopeisinhim 8 months ago
The Catholic Church is Israel. The old covenant is superseded by the new. The Church is Israel. Jesus is lord. Attention all Jews God still cares for you come to Baptism you need to receive Jesus as lord and be Baptized to be saved anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong.
PioKolby 9 months ago
Great video.
TheAmericanRifleman 9 months ago
If you see a Christian who is very sympathetic to Israel, know he is 100% a Zionist . you dont need to be a jew to be Zionist.
kamaaladiin 9 months ago
@kamaaladiin Do you think labels given to men by other men mean anything to God?
TheAmericanRifleman 9 months ago
@TheAmericanRifleman God will not listen to what people label other people, but to what they themselves say who they are and what they stand for. Christians support Zionism through Israel is a fact.
kamaaladiin 9 months ago
She will be given wings like an eagle to flee to the place prepared for her in the wilderness. I, and many, believe that place is Petra in Jordan. Petra is a centuries old rock fortress. A sister in Christ has informed me about a year ago that the Jordanians have started installing plumbing. I think it's definitely a sign of the times.
Also Hebrew headlines a few years ago stated that huge numbers of carrion birds were taking up residence in Israel. Another precursor of things to come.
lifeishooey 1 year ago
This is actually an excellent brief summary of the Dispensational, Pre-tribulational, Pre-millenial position. This is the only position that fits the Biblical data. Kudos.
egwpisteuw 1 year ago
I like your channel but I have to disagree with you on this one. The pre-trib rapture is not scriptural. I dont want to debate you I'm just stating a fact. Several of the verses cited here are taken out of context. Again, I like your channel but the churches pushing the Rapture are misinformed.
Pjaynes781 1 year ago
@Pjaynes781 Well, that's your opinion.
AbaloneKid 1 year ago
@AbaloneKid Sorry, not just my opinion, its Scriptural fact. Do the research.
Pjaynes781 1 year ago
@Pjaynes781 I think to say you are "stating a fact" here is utterly untenable. I firmly believe in the Dispensational, Pre-tribulational, Pre-millenial position but I would never say it is "fact." I would simply say that my position, based on my study of scripture, best fits the Biblical data. It is the only position that allows a literal, grammatical, historical reading of the Biblical text. Other positions require allegorizing various passages which is a slippery slope...
egwpisteuw 1 year ago
@egwpisteuw I would use the word, "Fact" in the sense that when one looks at the scriptures in its context, the pre trib rapture makes no sense. I guess its not a fact in the sense that it can be proven with 100% accuracy. Scripture is open to interpretation so, I do agree with you on that. But after years of research and study I'm pretty convinced that the pre trib rapture is a misinterpretation by man.
Pjaynes781 1 year ago
@Pjaynes781 O.K. That is an honest position. We must all strive to "rightly divide the word of truth" (2 tim 2:15) and "work out our salvation with fear and trembling." (Phil 2:12). May I ask what your position is vis-a-vis the rapture?
egwpisteuw 1 year ago
@egwpisteuw I take the position of the mid to end of the trib rapture. I use the word, Rapture, very loosely. I've done studies for years, I grew up in an Apostolic / Pentecostal church and they were huge into the, "Rapture". After I deprogrammed I found my way to a Jewish believing church. My pastor is an older Hebrew man and he speaks fluent Hebrew, he's really helped me in the way of biblical interpretation. But again, some scripture seems to have multiple meanings but no so when looked at
Pjaynes781 1 year ago
@Pjaynes781 When looked at fully.
Pjaynes781 1 year ago
@Pjaynes781 Ah, yes. To look at the scriptures from the Hebrew perspective is indeed a great blessing. My Greek is very strong (see my videos if you are interested in the Koine Greek) but my Hebrew is bare bones "working knowledge." I am currently laboring to improve it.
egwpisteuw 1 year ago
@Pjaynes781 (cont.) The church age is now being intercalated. When week 70 begins the Church is abruptly taken off the scene, because week 70 is a continuation of OT prophecy. Thus church can have no part in it--otherwise it cannot be a μυστήριον.
egwpisteuw 1 year ago
@Pjaynes781 Vis-a vis the rapture, there are many points to consider but taking the 50,000 foot view, the Church is a μυστήριον (mystery), TOTALLY unknown in the OT. The OT prophetic timeline has stopped abruptly at Daniel's 69th Week "unto Messiah the Prince" (Dan 9:25) (cont.)
egwpisteuw 1 year ago
Do you people here really think god exists and is of the version you have chosen? Its not one of those *other* gods invented by humans, yup ours is the right one..... Do you realize how pitiful that is?
csadler 1 year ago
thanks for sharing, All WILL confess Jesus is Lord!
goretex99 1 year ago
I hear these people talk about how sure they are that the Rapture is going to happen any day now, certainly (they think) it will happen in the next decade. However, I wonder if they are as serious as they claim because they still do stuff like save for retirement and make investments, things that you wouldn't be concerned with if you were as sure that the world was about to end as you are that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow.
jimbrown257 1 year ago
I do believe in the Rapture, The Tribulation, The Great Tribulation, the Glories Appearing. For all those people out there who want to know more...check out Revelation. ;) Almost everywhere you look there proves that there is a God out there. Anyone can argue against what I said, but to me, it's a mute point.
Linsay1524 1 year ago
Can't you Christianotards realize that people have predicted the end of the world every few years, and nonthinking childish retards don't notice when the goalposts are set back. Or that nobody has ever seen your evil hypocrite god before,only claiming to. Start thinking rationally, people.
Billymaysfan6837 1 year ago
@Billymaysfan6837 LIVE YOUR LIVE IN PEACE MAN ! WHY you struggle so much? IF YOU DO NOT RESPECT THIS FAITH, LIVE YOUR FAITH WITH QUIET !!!!!!!!!!!
revive000 1 year ago
@revive000
But if those of us who do not believe remain silent those who do believe will continue crying without the voice of reason to keep them in check.
satanisthetruegod666 1 year ago
@Billymaysfan6837
They didn't actually predict any end of the world. They thought up a story, and told everybody to worship it as true.
The same with the American so-called 'gov-t'.
Everybody is told to respect and even 'worship' CIA, while they have quite an interesting record... and what they did not so very long time ago in the Middle East? Plus the US hires mercenaries. O.o
The end is upon everybody - a nuclear end. Israel and Iran are itching for a fight.
deshadower 1 year ago
@deshadower
Doesn't mean the world will end, as in the planet being destroyed. Maybe there will be a huge war, a catastrophe, even the extinction of the human race (not likely though), but even if those happen, the planet will remain intact.
Billymaysfan6837 1 year ago
@Billymaysfan6837 Yeah, but AFAIK, the Bible doesn't tell about a 'total end' of a planet either. :-)
Personally I think the HUMAN world is going to destroy itself by humans... O.o Or severely damaged - as you said - the extinction of a human race, or a planet being devastated.
Either way, there's a chance it can happen. As long as there are threats as North Korea or 'minor' conflicts between countries. One day it can end in a bigger conflict... when countries pick up sides of the quarrel. = /
deshadower 1 year ago
@deshadower The bible does tell of the 'total end' of the Earth. John " looked and saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old ones had been destroyed".
CalemRahl 1 year ago
@Billymaysfan6837 Spoken like a true heathen :) All will repent and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, but billions will do it too late. Sadly you're on a one way road to fire and brimstone. Mock what you don't understand while you can, because when you finally receive the knowledge, you will beg for salvation, and it won't come.
CalemRahl 1 year ago
@CalemRahl
Yes, so in order to save myself, i must believe that a cosmic jewish zombie who was his own father and can make me live forever if i symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically bow down to him as my master so he can remove an evil present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magic tree? So i can be saved from an invisible man in red pajamas and his land of fire where his children stick pitchforks in my ass?
Billymaysfan6837 1 year ago
@Billymaysfan6837 lol interesting word play and no, u dont have to "eat his flesh". Just ask Jesus into your heart and thats about it :) Living a clean life helps too tho. Funny thing is, you already know God exists, and if he does, then Satan does aswell, and Satan is very pleased with you for pretending you're ignorant, well done ^^
CalemRahl 1 year ago
@CalemRahl
I don't "know" that god exists and neither do you. And why do you assume i have a "dirty life". Don't be a typical Christian who assumes i am immoral just because i don't follow your sheep morals. i have my own morals and i am much happier thinking for myself.
Billymaysfan6837 1 year ago
@Billymaysfan6837 Lol we both know you know God exists and you just come to these kinda arguments wanting someone to guide you to the perfect life hand in hand. sorry but i cant do that. U may hate ur life or love it, fact is, u need to find the truth on ur own. gl with the hunt :)
CalemRahl 1 year ago
@CalemRahl
lol no nobody knows that god exists. There is no such thing as perfect, as everyone's defenition of perfect is different. There is no God, there is not a single shred of evidence for his existence. Faith is not evidence, "miracles" are not evidence, there is no scientific evidence for his existence, so we have no logical reason to believe in him unless we have evidence. Otherwise, why not believe in leprechauns, unicorns, or Bigfoot and his violin-playing talents?
Billymaysfan6837 1 year ago
@Billymaysfan6837 Trying to convince that you doubt God exists is proving to me that you really really want to believe in Him. How cute ^^ Gl with the search, my friend :)
CalemRahl 1 year ago
There is no god and there will be no "tribulation". Only tribulation comin is the one when those who can think for themselves leave all the childish morons who can't behind and move on to a new better world on this very planet.
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
In the New Testament, the clearest indication we get in the timing department is found in 1 Thes. 1:9-10. The Greek word translated from in this passage is apo. Taken literally, it means were to be rescued from the time, the place, or any relation to Gods wrath. It denotes both departure and separation. This is supported by 1 Thes. 5:9 that declares, For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@JoBernard12oxen If the Rapture is the Second Coming, how did the 24 elders get to Heaven before the Tribulation, (Revelation 4, 5, and 6) and how did the Lamb's WIFE get up there before the Second Coming/Rapture?
The Rapture of the Church is NOT at the Second Coming.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
you sir, have none Christian spirit about you, you are of the world, your speech betrays you, you speech is in your attitude and your persistence to lie without a trace of shame, God hates the proud and arrogant, lying lips and feet swift to run to evil: your unwillingness to confess you have missed the mark on one point after another show just how hard you run from one lie to another: unrepentant when you are corrected. The beast and the false prophets will have their part in the lake of fire
JoBernard12oxen 1 year ago
@JoBernard12oxen Finished wasting comment space on this one guy yet?
I mean, the Scriptures that prove him wrong are now buried beneath all of the useless arguments you do know, right?
This was probably his intent, to hide the Scripture.
He immediately ignored the Scripture. Remember?
Round and round you go...
vudumojo 1 year ago
@JoBernard12oxen
Re: "the marriage supper actually occurs in heaven, you have projected that lie into it to make your point.
No, dummy. I said the feast is on EARTH, AFTER THE BRIDE HAS BEEN UNITED WITH CHRIST IN HEAVEN following the Rapture. The WIFE comes down from Heaven at the Second Coming for the Feast. The feast is enjoyed by the birds of the air after Christ's enemies are slain on the earth. You can't even quote me right, much less quote the Bible right.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@JoBernard12oxen
Let's see how you can pervert this one. In Revelation 6, after the Throne is set and when the Lamb opens the seals, the TRIBULATION STARTS, not the White Throne Judgment. The 24 ELDERS ARE SEEN IN HEAVEN. How did they get up there before the Tribulation if there has been no resurrection of the righteous yet?
HOW DID YOU MISS THAT? ? ? Huh?
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
WOW. that's pretty twisted, jo. Sounds like you're one of those amillennialist crackpots.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
amillinialist believe there is no thousand year rein and that we are currently in a reign of Christ
the bible say's: and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
impossible to reign with Christ 1000 yr( fig. indef. time) b4 1st resurrection
JoBernard12oxen 1 year ago
@JoBernard12oxen
You seriously need a remedial reading class. The SECOND resurrection is for the DEAD, to be judged at the White Throne Judgment after the Millennial Reign. If you are dead, condolences. Christians are alive forevermore.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
I said "Rev 19 marriage is AFTER man of sin rule, it is impossible to have the marriage before"
Do they not rejoice for God's righteous judgment: for Satan's fall? answer the question
In their rejoicing do they not proclaim the marriage of the Lamb has come?
but you say The married WIFE is in Heaven WITH CHRIST at the end of the Tribulation before the Second Coming
is not the marriage supper AFTER the fall of Babylon? answer
is not man of sin "devil" it's ruler: u will be judge 4 idle words
JoBernard12oxen 1 year ago
post 2
you said Paul was writing to reassure the Church as Thessalonica that their false teachers and false apostles writing counterfeit letters were wrong and that THEY (the Church) had not missed the Blessed Hope
the bible says II Thess. 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
It is impossible for your reason to be Paul's reason, the two are different.
JoBernard12oxen 1 year ago
Post 3
you say The Second Coming is not the Rapture.
the bible says I Thess 5:2 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night II Thess 2:2 as that the day of Christ is at hand.
It is impossible to meet the Lord in the air without him coming there for us.
JoBernard12oxen 1 year ago
@JoBernard12oxen
Here's the Church during the Trib:
Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:
Christ's BODY becomes immortal BEFORE THE SECOND COMING.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@mrmacmasonry
Imagine a King coming to get His beloved and giving her a 10-second "I do" in the back of the car on the way to a bloody slaughter. That's no Jewish wedding, and no King who loves His body the Church would do such a thing. The marriage is IN HEAVEN DURING THE TRIBULATION.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
you are trying to make a case for the pretribulation rapture by saying the marriage occurs in heaven before Christ coming
there are praises in heaven acknowledging the marriage supper has come but you haven't got a leg to stand on that "the marriage supper actually occurs in heaven, you have projected that lie into it to make your point.
If the marriage supper occurs in heaven produce solid scripture, else you are adding to the prophecy of this book and surely your reward will be accordingly
JoBernard12oxen 1 year ago
Post 4
you said The Church, after being wedded, returns from Heaven WITH Christ in Revelation 19.
the bible says For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
It is impossible to wed with Christ before being taken by him
JoBernard12oxen 1 year ago
@JoBernard12oxen
Re: "It is impossible to wed with Christ before being taken by him"
That's your problem, not mine. The married WIFE is in Heaven WITH CHRIST at the end of the Tribulation before the Second Coming. The Rapture is not the Second Coming. The Church is not appointed unto wrath, or to hide in the hills of Judea. The Church is Christ's BODY and is reckoned to be ALREADY PURE, not in need of purging to save a Remnant of the Jewish race.
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mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
you say: The married WIFE is in Heaven WITH CHRIST at the end of the Tribulation before the Second Coming.
bible says: Rev. 19:1 And after these things...For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand
Rev 19 marriage is AFTER man of sin rule, it is impossible to have the marriage before
you ignore rapture/devil bound '"same day" trib. is on man of sin. u lie
JoBernard12oxen 1 year ago
@JoBernard12oxen
RE: "Rev 19 marriage is AFTER man of sin rule, it is impossible to have the marriage before"
The only thing you can prove is that the marriage takes place in Heaven before the Second Coming, while the man of sin is revealed in the Trib. THE THRONE THAT IS SET IS THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST, where saints receive their rewards for service to Christ after they were saved. It definitely happens with a bride that is already IN HEAVEN DURING THE TRIBULATION, and who IS LIKE HIM.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
JoBernard12oxen 1 year ago
@JoBernard12oxen
The Judgment Seat of Christ is set in Heaven while the Tribulation is happening on earth, and Christians receive their rewards for service.
"Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."
Revelation 4 is not Rev. 20:11, which is 1000 years later.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
post 5
you said The passage (II 2:3-8) has to do with the Tribulation Saints, also called the Remnant of Israel, and has nothing to do with the Gentile Church.
The bible says and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, ....That ye be not soon shaken in mind, ... nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you
Addresses a Christian issue: not possible to be twisted into Israel
JoBernard12oxen 1 year ago
@JoBernard12oxen
If you can't read, maybe you can at least count. How many oxen was Elisha plowing with?
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@mrmacmasonry you seem to forget, I am 12 Oxen, that is for a reason, enough said
JoBernard12oxen 1 year ago
@JoBernard12oxen
Can't read, can't count... what can you do?
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago