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Hitchens lack of knowledge on zombies tsk tsk... u do NOT stake zombies through the heart!!! U shoot them in the head! You stake VAMPIRES in the heart! CHRIST hitchens!
0:01-0:07 "[We're] joined now by the man who described Hillary Clinton as a political zombie who could only by stopped by a silver bullet or a stake through the heart."
lol Gotta love Hitchens, especially that smug smile of his.
ICONS OF TELEPLAY—Fear not my tattooed countryman regarding lackey Christ' Hitchens' demise as the U.S. is teeming with native- and foreign-born fascists. There are plenty at-the-ready to fill the void when he croaks.
hitchens is a bundle of contradictions. having a superior intelligence does not make you correct on the issues. furthermore, and most importantly, hitchens will pull tidbits from history or current affairs, and will use it to try to keep him a winner in the debate. people have to be less awestruck by this man's superior intellectual abilities and more critical of how he uses information out of context, and incorrectly to support his argument. he is correct on some things, wrong on more.
It is correct to oppose fascism. It is quite another to bomb hundreds of thousands of Iraqi innocents to set them free. Why not start at home. The USA since post ww2 has aided, abbetted or directly killed millions of people in South America, the Middle East, Soukth east Asia, Africa, for the benefit of fascists to keep their poor in chains so we could benefit from low imported product prices, or for the benefit of our military industrial complex.
We didn't bomb any Iraqi civilians, we bombed strategic targets. In war sometimes innocent people die in the course of military operations. Bombing civilians implies that the targets were civilians. Which they weren't.
That's a mistake that I suspect you make intentionally for propaganda purposes, I suggest you stop.
Now then my stance is clear, I oppose all fascists everywhere and uphold the rights of natives peoples and workers abroad, however I'm only a citizen. I support what I agree with.
@pak10ucnttrust No, its like saying its not your fault if you shoot me because you were trying to kill someone who was about to cut my head off or blow me up and missed.
About half a million Iraqi civilians have been killed due to so called strategic bombing. And even wmd was not the reason for "accidently" killing so many Iraqis to liberate them from tyranny. It was for oil. I suggest you and your ilk like Hitchens go to the frontlines of our military/industrial complex's fascists aggressive wars for our addiction to oil. But you won't because you are slimey, despicable, vicarious warmongers getting off on US grunts and Iraqi babies being killed. drop dead.
Semantics can be played by both sides though. Bin Laden might declare his intended target was strategic targets like the American war machine and the Economy that funds it. After all, you go after the ones funding the terrorism too right? Its just more bullshit propaganda to make killing sound justified, same as yours.
You win a war by murdering more of the enemy than he can take. They murder you and your children. You murder them and their children. Whoever goes home first, loses.
committed anti theist and enemy of theocracy where ever it happens to be, but surly you'd have to be faith based to believe in the absurd fantasies common among the fake anti war left.
Definitely wrong. He is intelligent and congruent with his point of view on all his issues. it's those pulling at strings and pulling things out of thin air that fail to follow the truth.
The reason everyone recognizes Hitchens as intelligent is because of his correctness.
You have it topsy turvy my friend. By the way, when did the dictionary or thesaurus make intelligent a synonym of correct? Pol Pot was an intelligent man, he was also a very destructive and murderous one too. You have to make distinctions between meanings and eschew making associations between them
Hitchens defended the Iraq war wholeheartedly. That is a devastating setback. I have read his books about Mother Theresa, Henry Kissinger, and God. But his support of the war has cooled my interest.
And the boorish personal abuse of his second-rate debate opponents!
I don't always agree with Hitchins....but the more I hear him, the more I like him. He speaks his mind, which is refreshing. You actually know where he stands.
@jcbak I wonder if there is anyone who agrees with everything Hitchens says. He's certainly very independent in his views. One of the most interesting mixed bags out there, politically.
@jcbak I agree 100% completely with his philosophical debates about religion. but his other debates about the iraq war etc... are his opinions which offer very deep insight at the very least. :)
Some people give Dawkins credit for being blunt and offensive at times but he is extremely mild compared to Hitchens. I can't say that I like either one more than the other but I noticed that Hitchens is comfortable coming out and talking about politics while Dawkins likes to avoid that and in that sense I like Dawkins more because I have disagreed with some of the political things that Hitchens has talked about.
Dawkins is a scientist, so I guess he doesn't really like to poke his nose into stuff that isn't part of his expertise.
Hitchens doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks about him, and I like that. Even people who hate him have to admit that he's an excellent speaker and very intelligent.
I like Dawkins just because his voice is soft and has a slight posh tone to it so I find it funny listening to him get angry or aggressive. It's pretty immature, but oh well.
i think dawkins reports facts that a lot of people know and have been saying for a long time which is why hes more popular, Hitchens seems to be a more unique thinker, Dawkins for all his atheism arguements would never say something like (are you going to heaven) "I wouldn't go if I was asked. I dont want to live in some fucking celestial North Korea". Legend
yeah but its a good point, I've never heard anyone put it like that before but really who would anyone want to spend the rest of eternity praising some great powerful being that can control everything and yet still let the world become a shithole.
I've seen the waterboarding thing too that was pretty cool not many people would do that for the sake of a story
these ideas about totalitarianism and monotheism can be found in bertrand russell's 'why im not a christian' as well, i think hitchens has been influenced by it. hitchens is literally one of the only anti religion people who has the balls to stand up to religious bullying and call people out on fallacious arguments.
theres this insane notion that you have to be respectful of other peoples beliefs even if they're not your own which extends to things that you know to be untrue, an attitude encouraged by religion because they simply cant back up their beliefs with facts.
thats fuking retarded, if someone beleives something you know is stupid it should be your duty to tell them even if they don't want to hear it so they dont make an idiot of themselves any longer, I think thats part of what hitchens is about
i agree 100 %. in my value system, which comes from the original value system of my country, beliefs are off the table of unwavering respect.... not being able to criticize someone's beliefs is obviously very dangerous. its high time that it is set right again in the US that religion and a person's beliefs are not and MUST not be subject to the same respect given a person's race, etc.
definitely man, good point. I started writing out a full on elaboration to what you just said but I guess its a bit pointless because we seem to be pretty much going in the same direction here. you're never going to find the answers if you're not allowed to ask the questions
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First of all Hitch is NOT a conservative. He is a neo trotskyist who despises religion and wants the USA to pay for the annihilation of Islam and Communism - two of the worst repressive religions.
His argument against McCain is childish. He says he looks old, weird and has a weak voice.
His argument FOR Obama is that he is a FRAUD and you should be glad that he is a fraud because he can be steered to foreign interventionism.
Hitchens prefers Obama because he sees him being more bellicose in his campaign against Pakistan and Afghanistan and his now praise for the surge. And people are applauding him for his choice yet he liked Bush for the same reason but people hated him then. Hitchens is consistent alright but this just proves the fans of Obama don't care for the issues at all but just follow blind loyalty to the brand. Obama can just be BUSH and the liberals will call it change cuz it don't matter! LMAO
But I like Homosexuals. Obama fans are hardly fans of homosexuals(see they love 'Iran' who like to advertise their homosexuals via nooses on cranes) women, other religions erm anyone. Check out the good old 'Reverent'
I'll consider I won that debate unless someone replies with the name of one religion authored predominantly by women. One should not be that hard to come up with.
Witchcraft 'Dh234' - authored by women, completely discredited and highjacked. It was a time when nature, motherhood and procreation was revered. Before the 'PHALLIC' was god.
Im a little confused I think I agree? I know witchcraft in its hijacked form, but a little shady on the original female religions. I think women actualy modeled clay phallises and things in early 'naturalist' religions. But those are not religions anymore are they? No, no they arent.
Hitchens doesnt focus enough on how women by nature were not caught up in religious fantasies until men controlled them with it. Thats never his focus.
lol women are (and always have been) more religious and superstitious than men. Men always want to BE gods, women always want to BELIEVE in them. 80% of my mother's church is female, many churches are similar
no you are dead wrong. Men created religious texts becasue they could write when women could not. Those texts are the basis of all religios systems today. Women did not pass on oral traditions either, men did. A Religion is a system not "believing in a God." Women do not use systems to figure out the world they use emotional responsivity...
Men wanting to be Gods doesnt make any sense by the way. So women dont want to be Gods, wtf does that mean?
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My point is Hitchens has the chance to blame male nature for the violence in religion and instead he blames religion itself as if the problem is illogical thinking. Hes wrong..
Your ignorant but then again Im arguing on youtube.
I don't get your point.. You want Hitchens to blame men and usher in an era of what..? male apologetics?
Look as a species we are all equally flawed, gullible and susceptible to nonsense. It is down to our education and upbringing to provide us with the skills and abilities involved in critical thinking, and therefore ability to separate right from wrong.
Blaming things like this on only part of our species does nothing but segregate, and we've had to much of that.
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Hitchens is a globalist scumbag just read his book god is not Great, read between the lines. He obviously has a love affair with the United Nations. No thanks I'm not interested in a Brave New World.
Nah, Hitchens on numerous occasions has said he is for globalism and is still a socialist. It irritates me to no end when he aligns himself with great thinkers like HL Mencken as if he ever understood what true liberty and individualism was about.
Hitchens interview with Rhys Southan of reasononline:
REASON: So, do you still consider yourself a socialist?
Hitchens: Brian Lamb of C-SPAN has been interviewing me on and off for about 20 years, since Id first gone to Washington, which is roughly when his own Washington Journal program began. As the years went by, he formed the habit of starting every time by saying: "You havent been on the show for a bit. Tell me, are you still a socialist?" And I would always say, "Yes, I am."
REASON: What do you think about the anti-globalization movement? Is it contrarian or radical in your sense?
Hitchens: I hear the word globalization and it sounds to me like a very good idea. I like the sound of it. It sounds innovative and internationalist.
*I don't trust the guy especially since he has aligned himself with the neocon attack Iran agenda. Which is basically a war for Israel. Its ashame to because he really does have a great mind but he is a sell out.
There is something in religion, but its just metaphysics. There are science/physics above us that we can influence (a well known philosophy). Religious people claim they see signs that are specific to them (much like psychosis) or that their belief "reveals" itself to them, but its their joint subconcious sending messages into the universe and then recieving them back, depending on the religion of their fellows. Religion is nothing more then joint psychosis. Check out the book: THE SECRET
most black people will vote for obama simply because he is black,regardless of his background,upbringing,core political views etc sad but true!
negating the fact he plays on his race had a rare but privileged upbringing is condescending,dogmatic,sly and above all a newbie to the game!!worrying.
he has nothing in common with the working man and in fact most ordinary americans but hey he likes a game of ball,agree with hitchins all the candidates should not be president.
yeah I'm sure only white people do that. I mean why hasn't china or Zimbabwe been progressive enough to elect someone who is a different color than 90% of the electorate.
Why are you sure only white people do that when you've shown that other races do it as well? Oh, was that sarcasm? Sorry, it's hard to tell. You're no Christopher Hitchens.
He has nothing in common with the working man? He had to live on food stamps. He worked hard and rose up himself, went to Occidental, transferred to Columbia, and then went to Harvard. The thing that separates him from working men is his higher intellect.
As a christian conservative, I really respect christopher hutchins. He is ruthless in his quest for truth and constancy in his opinions. He is also very smart. Though I disagree with his views on Christianity, I admire his ability to seek the truth.
thats a commendable and decent thing to say but if you respect him, surely you would have reflected on his opinions and used them for your search for the truth. i would highly recommend his book "god is not great" if you haven't already read it.
i dont believe i've ever seen a political commentary, in this country, that so eloquently reminds people of the limits of president.... universal health care- not the decision of the president, et cetera-- a shame we dont contribute realism on our tv coverage- includes cnn, foxnews, msnbc and so forth
This is an outdated analaysis on Obama. Obama has since went into great detail on how he'll fix america. I'd like to see a more recent study on obama by Hitchens.
In the Lou Dobbs interview found here watch?v=iZ_l3Utr670, Christopher Hitchens has a lapel pinned onto his jacket, a lapel "emblematic of the USA" while Lou Dobbs congratulates him on becoming an American citizen. The way you're talking, it sounds like you're almost ashamed of him becoming a citizen of America, preferring to deny knowledge he would ever wear a lapel of said country. Maybe admitting this is to admit Hitchens is a fawning, go-where-the-money-is cretin?
He's wearing a United States flag there. Did he finally realise being in America, being pro-war, and being a nationalistic bigot, brought in the big bucks?
Actually, and please don't be bothered by facts, Hitchens wears a lapel flag of Kurdistan, not one emblematic of the USA. He's only been wearing it for a few years now so don't worry about being behind on this. I love smug people who spout off and look stupid doing it.
In the Lou Dobbs interview found here watch?v=iZ_l3Utr670, Christopher Hitchens has a lapel pinned onto his jacket, a lapel "emblematic of the USA" while Lou Dobbs congratulates him on becoming an American citizen. The way you're talking, it sounds like you're almost ashamed of him becoming a citizen of America, preferring to deny knowledge he would ever wear a lapel of said country. Maybe admitting this is to admit Hitchens is a fawning, go-where-the-money-is cretin?
Regarding the interview you just mentioned he had just become a U.S. citizen, I don't think a small lapel on his jacket is uncalled for on such a day. Ozmo07 is correct in that Hitchens weres a Kurdish lapel the rest of the time. However, if you could explain to me how being a "pro-war and nationalistic bigot" brings in the "big bucks" I would be all ears. He doesn't own private defense companies you know.
The right puts itself to close to christianity and people are starting to see it as a large restriction plate on life and knowledge therefore steer clear. Also when we have such stupid acting/talking Bush we run from all his atributes.Even if Obama is 10x worst in his religious faith we just want America to change and he will cause roits across america no matter if he wins or loses. He's black and that always means trouble, u know what I mean. Win-because he's black, Lose-because he's black SEE!
no dont get my wrong, i love mr. htichens, but the brits are muchhhh further to the left than americans are so of course hes going to support Mr Obama.
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LOL, he called Bill's behavior crass, vulgar and borderline thugish. This guy has to be the biggest hypocrite alive. I mean look at his other youtube videos. He sets the standard for all those things.
Is he supposed to be like an unfunny Borat or something??? This guy has to be some sort of joke. He probably sits back and laughs at the ridiculous things he says and that he actually has followers because of it.
This guy sets the standard for hyporcirital douchbags.
Hitchens really has to address his problem of pausing at the end of a sentence as if he's finished, waiting for the interviewer to start speaking, then carrying on and interrupting the interviewer. He does it in practically every TV appearance.
Go to 2:15 in the timeline and wait for a couple of examples.
that seems fine...he wanted to wrap up that thought before the interviewer changed the topic (which is what it seemed like what he was about to do). you really can't take offense from something like that.
Uh, yeah. No one really knows if he's an alcoholic, but he is certainly 'a pisshead' so to speak. Part of that does make me love him more because even half pissed, he's still able to ass-ram Sean Hannity and the like. That show where he tells Hannity just what he thought of the late Jerry Falwell was a classic.
although he defected (to the darkside), this guy makes me proud to be english, cynical, blunt, probably drinks a shed load of tea (between whiskys), and employs an extremely colourful use of the english langauge, gotta love the hitchmeister,
Im a big Obama supporter, however, he's not going to bring sweeping changes to America. It will be incremental changes in the right direction, hopefully done while working hand in hand with republicans, so at the end of eight years, he will have effected change.
Stupid Republicans always equate any kind of social conscience with communism. Free school meals for poor kids? Communism. Libraries? Communism. Health care? Communism.
No wonder you're the only developed country on earth where people are literally shrinking because of malnutrition. Where are the tallest, healthiest, best nourished people found?
steer: Culture is a complicated thing and you can't fully understand a nation's culture unless you're raised there. You have only the slightest understanding of why americans make the decisions we do.
A fundamental tenet of our culture, from our founding, is distrust and dislike of centralized power. Any centralized power. This is the basis for resistance to the programs you cite...not because they're bad, but because they can only be accomplished by increasing centralized govt power.
Yeah but you'll put your trust in centralized power as long as it doesn't masquerade as government; as long as it is apparently privately owned. The Fed extracts taxes and sets interest rates; it's a PRIVATE BANK that has no responsibilities to anyone but its shareholders. The only difference between the corporations that run your country and the government that SHOULD be running it is the corps have absolutely no mandate, no responsibility to govern fairly and no checks to their power.
Oh and I've been married to a guy from Michigan for the last 15 years; I've had the whole left-right schtick every Christmas for the last decade; one half of the family drive Hummers and praise Jesus; the other half are high-Democrat Episcopalians. I see it all. And you are closer to aristocracy now than Britain is, and the UK is a monarchy. The USA is an becoming an intensely class-ridden society.
Word-count won't let me continue; wider gaps between rich and poor will INEVITABLY lead to centralized power; the power of the rich; old fashioned aristocratic plutocracy: your reps are virtual nobles; Dynasts who've never worked a day in their lives. Bush? A Prince. A Dauphin. And you've already signed away most of your protections under the Patriot Act.
One final post. Why is it that the Irish I've encountered on Youtube are by far the most extreme about capitalism and politics? Here's my theory; people in desparate straits grasp at radical solutions. Ireland has been unable to get past The Troubles, so there's a tendency to seek utopianist remedies.
Here's a deal; I won't arrogantly demand you implement my solutions to The Troubles, and you keep your semi-informed opinions re our economics/politics to yourself.
Yeah, I can just see you rubbing your hands with glee. "Your day is done"! squeaks the mouse to the lion.
We've been through much worse. Once oil hits a particular price, the economic incentive will be there to move quickly into alternative energy sources. Nuclear is a good example; because of the assinine environmental zealots we haven't built a nuclear power plant since the 70s. It will be painful, but we'll be fine in the end. And in 10 yrs you'll be grinding your teeth in frustration.
First of all I'm not gloating, you prat. We're all in the same economic boat; you go down; we go down. This is the reason your military is impotent; you can't bomb your own markets or you bomb yourself. The Iraq war is a perfect example of bombing the economy.
Secondly, your loin/mouse analogy is the purest kind of unconscious imperialist rubbish; you sound like a 19th century Briton and you don't even know it.
steer: I'll reply to this post as it's the most preposterous of the bunch. For someone so familiar with the US, you obviously haven't bothered to check the population density outside the major metropolitan areas. Given our low population density, light rail/bus/subway are NOT feasible. We have cars because we must have them.
Once the oil hits a certain price, we'll shift to smaller, more fuel efficient cars, more car-pooling, etc. We'll do what people have always done; adjust and survive.
I mean really! The arrogance of someone from Ireland preaching to an american about "class" issues or religion. Absurd!
We've always had economic classes in america but there's still absolute mobility (underclass excepted) between the classes...heredity/titles are meaningless. And regarding religion, most americans believe in a deity but the bible-thumping/tongue-talking fringe is a tiny minority. Funny how it's this fringe that gets the publicity in Europe; plays to your stereotypes I guess.
Yeah, that and the Born Again President, and his party, and Jerry Falwell and Billy Graham in the Oval Office dictating policy, and the constant assault on feminism and the constant scaremongering about gays and The war on Christmas and on and on.
Once again you prove my point. I don't CARE what you do in Ireland, or how they live in China. None of my FUCKING business. Got it?!
This entire thread started with your sanctimonious, condescending remarks regarding a culture you only vaguely understand. A typical Leftist; someone who has nothing and demands everyone else have it too.
You must be a great cook. I can't imagine why on earth he would stay married to such a scold otherwise.
Ever noticed that the insults which enrage people the most are the ones that are closest to the truth? My "scold" comment really touched a nerve, didn't it?
I'll say it again: you're a sanctimonious, arrogant scold. A moral bully who believes she's more "righteous" than everyone else and therefore has a duty to criticize and damn things she doesn't fully understand.
Just remember this: you get an opinion, but not a vote. We'll be deciding our fate, not you. Get back to Ireland. Soon.
You're right; I thought you were a woman. When you said you were "married to a guy in Michigan" it sorta threw me off. Jumping to such a rash conclusion just proves what a homophobe I am...doesn't it?
So wallow in your crypto-marxism, but rest assured that this is a center-right country and will remain so despite Obama's tepid shifts to the Left.
Also, be man enough to admit that your hatred for our system is directly related to gay rights. That's all you REALLY care about.
A little info is dangerous in the hands of the uninformed (or in your case I'll say semi-informed). Your anti-corporate rant really is ott; typical euro-socialist paranoia. We really do elect our politicians and the president appoints the Fed chairman, so there is accountability. The Fed sets interest rates, as it should, in an attempt to divorce the long term health of our economy from daily partisan politics. Taxes are entirely a function of the legistlative/executive branch, not the Fed.
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
Hitchens lack of knowledge on zombies tsk tsk... u do NOT stake zombies through the heart!!! U shoot them in the head! You stake VAMPIRES in the heart! CHRIST hitchens!
Gooseman2k2 8 months ago 5
I love how that guy pronounces "Barack" as "Bear-Rick."
dhx84 9 months ago 2
0:01-0:07 "[We're] joined now by the man who described Hillary Clinton as a political zombie who could only by stopped by a silver bullet or a stake through the heart."
lol Gotta love Hitchens, especially that smug smile of his.
writersblock26 10 months ago
ICONS OF TELEPLAY—Fear not my tattooed countryman regarding lackey Christ' Hitchens' demise as the U.S. is teeming with native- and foreign-born fascists. There are plenty at-the-ready to fill the void when he croaks.
LovingKimiKatkar 10 months ago
Years later, everything he said is still right.. dam smart this guy.
awsomewinecone 1 year ago
I still think the Clintons and the Obamas hate each other to this day.
anthonym267 1 year ago 4
It's funny how, almost a year on from this interview, everything he said has turned out to be true.
jesal21 1 year ago 3
This man, Sir Christopher Hitchens, is one of the most intellectual persons on this planet.
ShadowReubenKee 1 year ago 12
GOD save all us sinners GOD save your blackest sheep
GOD save the good samaritan and GOD save the worthless creep
MrAssbaron 2 years ago
hitchens is a bundle of contradictions. having a superior intelligence does not make you correct on the issues. furthermore, and most importantly, hitchens will pull tidbits from history or current affairs, and will use it to try to keep him a winner in the debate. people have to be less awestruck by this man's superior intellectual abilities and more critical of how he uses information out of context, and incorrectly to support his argument. he is correct on some things, wrong on more.
emotionalinvalid 2 years ago
@emotionalinvalid He's definitely right about Iraq and the need to oppose fascism.
GaiusIuliusTaberna 2 years ago
It is correct to oppose fascism. It is quite another to bomb hundreds of thousands of Iraqi innocents to set them free. Why not start at home. The USA since post ww2 has aided, abbetted or directly killed millions of people in South America, the Middle East, Soukth east Asia, Africa, for the benefit of fascists to keep their poor in chains so we could benefit from low imported product prices, or for the benefit of our military industrial complex.
emotionalinvalid 2 years ago 4
We didn't bomb any Iraqi civilians, we bombed strategic targets. In war sometimes innocent people die in the course of military operations. Bombing civilians implies that the targets were civilians. Which they weren't.
That's a mistake that I suspect you make intentionally for propaganda purposes, I suggest you stop.
Now then my stance is clear, I oppose all fascists everywhere and uphold the rights of natives peoples and workers abroad, however I'm only a citizen. I support what I agree with.
GaiusIuliusTaberna 2 years ago
lats like saying its ok 4 me 2 shoot you in the face if i was aiming 4 the target behind u
pak10ucnttrust 2 years ago
@pak10ucnttrust No, its like saying its not your fault if you shoot me because you were trying to kill someone who was about to cut my head off or blow me up and missed.
Also, learn English.
GaiusIuliusTaberna 2 years ago
About half a million Iraqi civilians have been killed due to so called strategic bombing. And even wmd was not the reason for "accidently" killing so many Iraqis to liberate them from tyranny. It was for oil. I suggest you and your ilk like Hitchens go to the frontlines of our military/industrial complex's fascists aggressive wars for our addiction to oil. But you won't because you are slimey, despicable, vicarious warmongers getting off on US grunts and Iraqi babies being killed. drop dead.
emotionalinvalid 2 years ago
I have no time for your paranoid delusions regarding the military.
If you aren't getting paid by the Saudi Royal family you should demand compensation, you serve their interests well.
GaiusIuliusTaberna 2 years ago
Semantics can be played by both sides though. Bin Laden might declare his intended target was strategic targets like the American war machine and the Economy that funds it. After all, you go after the ones funding the terrorism too right? Its just more bullshit propaganda to make killing sound justified, same as yours.
You win a war by murdering more of the enemy than he can take. They murder you and your children. You murder them and their children. Whoever goes home first, loses.
morganbath 1 year ago
Ya, go ahead and rationalize murder.
holio84 1 year ago
Why don't you go convert to Islam, I mean if you people get your way we will all have to... sooner or later. I'd gladly die first
GaiusIuliusTaberna 1 year ago 3
@GaiusIuliusTaberna. You must be a christian, that's why you can so easily believe nonsense.
holio84 1 year ago
committed anti theist and enemy of theocracy where ever it happens to be, but surly you'd have to be faith based to believe in the absurd fantasies common among the fake anti war left.
GaiusIuliusTaberna 1 year ago
I'm not sure if you're referring to Hitchens, but he has been an outspoken proponent of the war on Iraq and the war in Afghanistan from day 1.
mrw21 1 year ago
No I was referring to the person I replied to in defense of Hitchens.
GaiusIuliusTaberna 1 year ago
@mrw21 This time around, yes, but not in the case of the first Iraq war.
bertiethetoupee4 1 year ago
Definitely wrong. He is intelligent and congruent with his point of view on all his issues. it's those pulling at strings and pulling things out of thin air that fail to follow the truth.
The reason everyone recognizes Hitchens as intelligent is because of his correctness.
PR13STG0RD0 2 years ago
You have it topsy turvy my friend. By the way, when did the dictionary or thesaurus make intelligent a synonym of correct? Pol Pot was an intelligent man, he was also a very destructive and murderous one too. You have to make distinctions between meanings and eschew making associations between them
emotionalinvalid 2 years ago
That's just it. If you are truly intelligent it's b/c you reject everything that's not true and only accept things that are. truth IS correctness.
That's why "faith" is not to be respected. It's believing in things that are clearly not true.
PR13STG0RD0 2 years ago 5
Tony Jones is incredibly competant, he knows his craft, no one can deny that
mattyk722 2 years ago
Hitchens is king!
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getupjumpy 2 years ago
Hitchens defended the Iraq war wholeheartedly. That is a devastating setback. I have read his books about Mother Theresa, Henry Kissinger, and God. But his support of the war has cooled my interest.
And the boorish personal abuse of his second-rate debate opponents!
mwoldin 2 years ago
ROFL at Hitches face during the political zombie quote, kinda like "hehe, thats right"
WizardsStaff 2 years ago 5
is this american tv?
MaxwellBennett 2 years ago
Yes, we are a crumbling empire, It's time to Balkanize and stake out your territory for your people.
Sciuser10 2 years ago
It's Australian, from the public broadcaster (Australian Broadcasting Corporation).
It's government funded so that makes it socialism lololololololol
Septimus1337 1 year ago 7
I don't always agree with Hitchins....but the more I hear him, the more I like him. He speaks his mind, which is refreshing. You actually know where he stands.
jcbak 2 years ago 24
@jcbak that's because he's NOT a politician...
zanzibartraveler09 1 year ago
@jcbak I wonder if there is anyone who agrees with everything Hitchens says. He's certainly very independent in his views. One of the most interesting mixed bags out there, politically.
TomerMMHA 1 year ago
@TomerMMHA
Nah, I know I don't agree with him on everything. I don't get the impression that his fans do either.
But they love him because they *can* disagree with him but still value his input.
dhx84 9 months ago 2
@jcbak I agree 100% completely with his philosophical debates about religion. but his other debates about the iraq war etc... are his opinions which offer very deep insight at the very least. :)
cptmuska 5 months ago
interesting that 90% of what hitchens predicts comes true.
intelligent man
Matt482942 2 years ago 2
Ole Chris needs a drink.
ahooga 2 years ago
I just want to know, when are we going to get our MOONBASE!!??
leeroynaggins 3 years ago
Next week, be ready.
xxxxsjdxxxx 3 years ago
smart guy
georgez71 3 years ago 2
Jesse Ventura and/or Ron Paul - 2012
Lingerfoot 3 years ago
This man is amazing. I love his debates on religion vs atheism.
mrsexappeal69 3 years ago 33
I'm with you, totally.
ashburnhouse 3 years ago 5
He's good but i like dawkins better
argetfalcon 3 years ago
Some people give Dawkins credit for being blunt and offensive at times but he is extremely mild compared to Hitchens. I can't say that I like either one more than the other but I noticed that Hitchens is comfortable coming out and talking about politics while Dawkins likes to avoid that and in that sense I like Dawkins more because I have disagreed with some of the political things that Hitchens has talked about.
andyrooney11 2 years ago 3
Dawkins is a scientist, so I guess he doesn't really like to poke his nose into stuff that isn't part of his expertise.
Hitchens doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks about him, and I like that. Even people who hate him have to admit that he's an excellent speaker and very intelligent.
Rodriguez87 2 years ago 4
I like Dawkins just because his voice is soft and has a slight posh tone to it so I find it funny listening to him get angry or aggressive. It's pretty immature, but oh well.
tolchock1984 2 years ago
i think dawkins reports facts that a lot of people know and have been saying for a long time which is why hes more popular, Hitchens seems to be a more unique thinker, Dawkins for all his atheism arguements would never say something like (are you going to heaven) "I wouldn't go if I was asked. I dont want to live in some fucking celestial North Korea". Legend
yngvaibucketrucci 2 years ago 7
Hitchens said that wow he has balls. He also under went waterboarding
argetfalcon 2 years ago
yeah but its a good point, I've never heard anyone put it like that before but really who would anyone want to spend the rest of eternity praising some great powerful being that can control everything and yet still let the world become a shithole.
I've seen the waterboarding thing too that was pretty cool not many people would do that for the sake of a story
yngvaibucketrucci 2 years ago
these ideas about totalitarianism and monotheism can be found in bertrand russell's 'why im not a christian' as well, i think hitchens has been influenced by it. hitchens is literally one of the only anti religion people who has the balls to stand up to religious bullying and call people out on fallacious arguments.
guitardrew05 2 years ago
theres this insane notion that you have to be respectful of other peoples beliefs even if they're not your own which extends to things that you know to be untrue, an attitude encouraged by religion because they simply cant back up their beliefs with facts.
thats fuking retarded, if someone beleives something you know is stupid it should be your duty to tell them even if they don't want to hear it so they dont make an idiot of themselves any longer, I think thats part of what hitchens is about
yngvaibucketrucci 2 years ago
i agree 100 %. in my value system, which comes from the original value system of my country, beliefs are off the table of unwavering respect.... not being able to criticize someone's beliefs is obviously very dangerous. its high time that it is set right again in the US that religion and a person's beliefs are not and MUST not be subject to the same respect given a person's race, etc.
guitardrew05 2 years ago
definitely man, good point. I started writing out a full on elaboration to what you just said but I guess its a bit pointless because we seem to be pretty much going in the same direction here. you're never going to find the answers if you're not allowed to ask the questions
yngvaibucketrucci 2 years ago
Its not looking very nice outside. I think it may rain tonight. Make sure you bring in the cloths before you leave. I love you.
scotttebben 8 months ago
hitchens was right on point with this june assessment
infidelissimo 3 years ago 4
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First of all Hitch is NOT a conservative. He is a neo trotskyist who despises religion and wants the USA to pay for the annihilation of Islam and Communism - two of the worst repressive religions.
His argument against McCain is childish. He says he looks old, weird and has a weak voice.
His argument FOR Obama is that he is a FRAUD and you should be glad that he is a fraud because he can be steered to foreign interventionism.
alienmoonbase 3 years ago
Hitchens prefers Obama because he sees him being more bellicose in his campaign against Pakistan and Afghanistan and his now praise for the surge. And people are applauding him for his choice yet he liked Bush for the same reason but people hated him then. Hitchens is consistent alright but this just proves the fans of Obama don't care for the issues at all but just follow blind loyalty to the brand. Obama can just be BUSH and the liberals will call it change cuz it don't matter! LMAO
robinaali 3 years ago
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I like to call the lunatic Obama fans "Hobamosexuals"
alienmoonbase 3 years ago
But I like Homosexuals. Obama fans are hardly fans of homosexuals(see they love 'Iran' who like to advertise their homosexuals via nooses on cranes) women, other religions erm anyone. Check out the good old 'Reverent'
robinaali 3 years ago
"advertise their homosexuals via nooses on cranes"
hahahahahha, lol.
alienmoonbase 3 years ago
you wrote an excellent line "advertise their homosexuals via nooses and cranes"
this confirms my theory that only the red posts are worth reading.
You should be a writer if you can sustain that insight.
alienmoonbase 3 years ago 2
unfortunately, lol and religion dont go hand in hand my friend
dh234 3 years ago
I'll consider I won that debate unless someone replies with the name of one religion authored predominantly by women. One should not be that hard to come up with.
dh234 3 years ago
Witchcraft 'Dh234' - authored by women, completely discredited and highjacked. It was a time when nature, motherhood and procreation was revered. Before the 'PHALLIC' was god.
robinaali 3 years ago
Im a little confused I think I agree? I know witchcraft in its hijacked form, but a little shady on the original female religions. I think women actualy modeled clay phallises and things in early 'naturalist' religions. But those are not religions anymore are they? No, no they arent.
dh234 3 years ago
Hitchens doesnt focus enough on how women by nature were not caught up in religious fantasies until men controlled them with it. Thats never his focus.
dh234 3 years ago
lol women are (and always have been) more religious and superstitious than men. Men always want to BE gods, women always want to BELIEVE in them. 80% of my mother's church is female, many churches are similar
7StoryMagnet 3 years ago
no you are dead wrong. Men created religious texts becasue they could write when women could not. Those texts are the basis of all religios systems today. Women did not pass on oral traditions either, men did. A Religion is a system not "believing in a God." Women do not use systems to figure out the world they use emotional responsivity...
Men wanting to be Gods doesnt make any sense by the way. So women dont want to be Gods, wtf does that mean?
dh234 3 years ago
lol go to church, any church, and count the number of women compared to the number of men, instead of ranting
7StoryMagnet 3 years ago
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My point is Hitchens has the chance to blame male nature for the violence in religion and instead he blames religion itself as if the problem is illogical thinking. Hes wrong..
Your ignorant but then again Im arguing on youtube.
dh234 3 years ago
I don't get your point.. You want Hitchens to blame men and usher in an era of what..? male apologetics?
Look as a species we are all equally flawed, gullible and susceptible to nonsense. It is down to our education and upbringing to provide us with the skills and abilities involved in critical thinking, and therefore ability to separate right from wrong.
Blaming things like this on only part of our species does nothing but segregate, and we've had to much of that.
cmba101 3 years ago 2
Its never his focus bc its not true. women are just as religious and stupid as men
lovestospooge314 3 years ago
Love the lapel pin hitch!
zerntz 3 years ago
wow, Tony Jones and Christopher Hitchens... Never hought I'd see that.
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dincho1108 3 years ago
People. Christohpher hitchens WANTS OBAMA TO WIN NOW. he recently put out an article called "Vote for Obama
McCain lacks the character and temperament to be president" Google it.
zabrak999 3 years ago 4
Hitchens doesn't like any of the political candidates, and neither do i.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 3 years ago 4
co2 is less than a one half of one percent of the atmosphere.
global warming is nothing more than a modern reservoir for the guilt of the religious outcasts
alienmoonbase 3 years ago
HITCH was right again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
alienmoonbase 3 years ago 3
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Hitchens is a globalist scumbag just read his book god is not Great, read between the lines. He obviously has a love affair with the United Nations. No thanks I'm not interested in a Brave New World.
xxmonickkkkaxx 3 years ago
This is, in a large field, the stupidest comment ever made on YouTube
meiitbe 3 years ago 2
Did you read the book?
xxmonickkkkaxx 3 years ago
Yes and anyone with a modicum of intellect would be able to pick up on CH's disdain for the UN and so many of its policies in numerous world affairs.
meiitbe 3 years ago
Nah, Hitchens on numerous occasions has said he is for globalism and is still a socialist. It irritates me to no end when he aligns himself with great thinkers like HL Mencken as if he ever understood what true liberty and individualism was about.
xxmonickkkkaxx 3 years ago
Hitchens interview with Rhys Southan of reasononline:
REASON: So, do you still consider yourself a socialist?
Hitchens: Brian Lamb of C-SPAN has been interviewing me on and off for about 20 years, since Id first gone to Washington, which is roughly when his own Washington Journal program began. As the years went by, he formed the habit of starting every time by saying: "You havent been on the show for a bit. Tell me, are you still a socialist?" And I would always say, "Yes, I am."
xxmonickkkkaxx 3 years ago
REASON: What do you think about the anti-globalization movement? Is it contrarian or radical in your sense?
Hitchens: I hear the word globalization and it sounds to me like a very good idea. I like the sound of it. It sounds innovative and internationalist.
*I don't trust the guy especially since he has aligned himself with the neocon attack Iran agenda. Which is basically a war for Israel. Its ashame to because he really does have a great mind but he is a sell out.
xxmonickkkkaxx 3 years ago
There is something in religion, but its just metaphysics. There are science/physics above us that we can influence (a well known philosophy). Religious people claim they see signs that are specific to them (much like psychosis) or that their belief "reveals" itself to them, but its their joint subconcious sending messages into the universe and then recieving them back, depending on the religion of their fellows. Religion is nothing more then joint psychosis. Check out the book: THE SECRET
Stevo6452 3 years ago
You make me sick.
Septimus1337 1 year ago
most black people will vote for obama simply because he is black,regardless of his background,upbringing,core political views etc sad but true!
negating the fact he plays on his race had a rare but privileged upbringing is condescending,dogmatic,sly and above all a newbie to the game!!worrying.
he has nothing in common with the working man and in fact most ordinary americans but hey he likes a game of ball,agree with hitchins all the candidates should not be president.
1g5a22 3 years ago
Why not? White people have been voting solely for white people for over two hundred years.
jjfyke 3 years ago
yeah I'm sure only white people do that. I mean why hasn't china or Zimbabwe been progressive enough to elect someone who is a different color than 90% of the electorate.
cruzander 3 years ago
Why are you sure only white people do that when you've shown that other races do it as well? Oh, was that sarcasm? Sorry, it's hard to tell. You're no Christopher Hitchens.
jjfyke 3 years ago
He has nothing in common with the working man? He had to live on food stamps. He worked hard and rose up himself, went to Occidental, transferred to Columbia, and then went to Harvard. The thing that separates him from working men is his higher intellect.
jp2007ms 3 years ago
As a christian conservative, I really respect christopher hutchins. He is ruthless in his quest for truth and constancy in his opinions. He is also very smart. Though I disagree with his views on Christianity, I admire his ability to seek the truth.
wmhoad 3 years ago 5
thats a commendable and decent thing to say but if you respect him, surely you would have reflected on his opinions and used them for your search for the truth. i would highly recommend his book "god is not great" if you haven't already read it.
Raedan23 3 years ago
Cheers, wmhoad.
RoadsideNerve 3 years ago
I'll gladly take Obama's "brave new frontier talk" over the alternative, Mr. Hitchens.
MCKRUSH 3 years ago
i dont believe i've ever seen a political commentary, in this country, that so eloquently reminds people of the limits of president.... universal health care- not the decision of the president, et cetera-- a shame we dont contribute realism on our tv coverage- includes cnn, foxnews, msnbc and so forth
cubencis 3 years ago 4
This is an outdated analaysis on Obama. Obama has since went into great detail on how he'll fix america. I'd like to see a more recent study on obama by Hitchens.
zabrak999 3 years ago
I'll second that.
sarith21 3 years ago
it's amazing how fast politics can move on a election year. this is only 3 months old, before anyone knew who sarah palin was.
Raedan23 3 years ago
I love hitchens, he lends some much needed dialectical thinking to the statist propaganda machine that is American media.
cruzander 3 years ago
In the Lou Dobbs interview found here watch?v=iZ_l3Utr670, Christopher Hitchens has a lapel pinned onto his jacket, a lapel "emblematic of the USA" while Lou Dobbs congratulates him on becoming an American citizen. The way you're talking, it sounds like you're almost ashamed of him becoming a citizen of America, preferring to deny knowledge he would ever wear a lapel of said country. Maybe admitting this is to admit Hitchens is a fawning, go-where-the-money-is cretin?
durbansouthafrica 3 years ago
He's wearing a United States flag there. Did he finally realise being in America, being pro-war, and being a nationalistic bigot, brought in the big bucks?
durbansouthafrica 3 years ago
Actually, and please don't be bothered by facts, Hitchens wears a lapel flag of Kurdistan, not one emblematic of the USA. He's only been wearing it for a few years now so don't worry about being behind on this. I love smug people who spout off and look stupid doing it.
Ozmo07 3 years ago
In the Lou Dobbs interview found here watch?v=iZ_l3Utr670, Christopher Hitchens has a lapel pinned onto his jacket, a lapel "emblematic of the USA" while Lou Dobbs congratulates him on becoming an American citizen. The way you're talking, it sounds like you're almost ashamed of him becoming a citizen of America, preferring to deny knowledge he would ever wear a lapel of said country. Maybe admitting this is to admit Hitchens is a fawning, go-where-the-money-is cretin?
durbansouthafrica 3 years ago
Regarding the interview you just mentioned he had just become a U.S. citizen, I don't think a small lapel on his jacket is uncalled for on such a day. Ozmo07 is correct in that Hitchens weres a Kurdish lapel the rest of the time. However, if you could explain to me how being a "pro-war and nationalistic bigot" brings in the "big bucks" I would be all ears. He doesn't own private defense companies you know.
Orlan54 3 years ago
The right puts itself to close to christianity and people are starting to see it as a large restriction plate on life and knowledge therefore steer clear. Also when we have such stupid acting/talking Bush we run from all his atributes.Even if Obama is 10x worst in his religious faith we just want America to change and he will cause roits across america no matter if he wins or loses. He's black and that always means trouble, u know what I mean. Win-because he's black, Lose-because he's black SEE!
GillerMonster 3 years ago
actually he is an American citizen
dimazukov 3 years ago 3
I want to here his thoughts on who he would actually vote for.
Gettinghitonattheban 3 years ago
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hes not an american citizen. So his opinion doesnt matter. Brits like barak, fuck the bush legacy.
IamStoneDrunk 3 years ago
Speak for yourself. I'm actually very interested in his opinions. Mainly for the humor of them.
Gettinghitonattheban 3 years ago 3
no dont get my wrong, i love mr. htichens, but the brits are muchhhh further to the left than americans are so of course hes going to support Mr Obama.
IamStoneDrunk 3 years ago
Well, personally it seems as if he says out of, what he thinks as poor canidates Obama is sort of the lesser of two evils.
But I want to here if maybe there's a third party member he supported, but simply dropped. And he's not bringing it up, because he's simply not asked.
Gettinghitonattheban 3 years ago
The idea of a 3rd party with the way America runs it elections is laughable. Its not really possible or plausible to have more than 2.
IamStoneDrunk 3 years ago
Actually, Hitchens IS an American citizen! He was made one not long ago. He's a citizen of BOTH the UK and the US.
IvanTheHeathen 3 years ago 3
actually hitchens is an american citizen. He has been for a couple of years now.
TILLEYJS 3 years ago 2
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LOL, he called Bill's behavior crass, vulgar and borderline thugish. This guy has to be the biggest hypocrite alive. I mean look at his other youtube videos. He sets the standard for all those things.
Is he supposed to be like an unfunny Borat or something??? This guy has to be some sort of joke. He probably sits back and laughs at the ridiculous things he says and that he actually has followers because of it.
This guy sets the standard for hyporcirital douchbags.
lazrul 3 years ago
He's a troll. An intelligent IRL troll.
He says those things simply to get a rise.
Gettinghitonattheban 3 years ago
Or perhaps to give a logical perspective.
chbrules 3 years ago 5
yeah I would enjoy watching you having an intellectual conversation with him. I wonder who would make the other look like a complete fool...
SVisionary 3 years ago
ditto
kaao123 3 years ago
I think you need to look up hypocrite in the dictionary. Hitch doesn't pretend to be something he's not.
ShaggusMcPhallus 3 years ago
Hitchens really has to address his problem of pausing at the end of a sentence as if he's finished, waiting for the interviewer to start speaking, then carrying on and interrupting the interviewer. He does it in practically every TV appearance.
Go to 2:15 in the timeline and wait for a couple of examples.
JanineRobin 3 years ago 3
that seems fine...he wanted to wrap up that thought before the interviewer changed the topic (which is what it seemed like what he was about to do). you really can't take offense from something like that.
amarnamriju 3 years ago
Oh Hitch! Why does that man so often look like he's just dunked himself head first into a warm basin of vodka. I don't want him to die.
(I've got a bad feeling his condition for the waterboarding experiment was that he chose the substance.)
PurushaDesa 3 years ago
Is he a big boozer ? I think he just suffers from a serious lousy du.
dishwithtrish 3 years ago
Uh, yeah. No one really knows if he's an alcoholic, but he is certainly 'a pisshead' so to speak. Part of that does make me love him more because even half pissed, he's still able to ass-ram Sean Hannity and the like. That show where he tells Hannity just what he thought of the late Jerry Falwell was a classic.
PurushaDesa 3 years ago
Clintonista? lol
SocialistaTribalista 3 years ago 2
I love the Hitch. May he live long and condemn religion until his last breath.
pitbull103 3 years ago 5
May we all live long and condemn religious beliefs until our last breaths..
richter75 3 years ago 4
Amen, richter75. By the way, how do you go about having your reply appear underneath the original comment?
pitbull103 3 years ago
I get that by default, but u can press 'view all comments' then 'newest' to see latest threads.
richter75 3 years ago
Wow Hitchens has a stars and stripes flag pin, he must love America the most.
lenstonbain 3 years ago
although he defected (to the darkside), this guy makes me proud to be english, cynical, blunt, probably drinks a shed load of tea (between whiskys), and employs an extremely colourful use of the english langauge, gotta love the hitchmeister,
bencawley1 3 years ago 6
america is fucked now and will be if either obama bin ladin or war munger mccain get in power. either way usa is fucked
hankhonker 3 years ago
whisky not cocktails
ridiculousness25 3 years ago
how many cocktails do you think hitchens had that day already?
Drewelow 3 years ago
I love Hitchens, but he's incredibly verbose.
jimmyvicious 3 years ago 3
Im a big Obama supporter, however, he's not going to bring sweeping changes to America. It will be incremental changes in the right direction, hopefully done while working hand in hand with republicans, so at the end of eight years, he will have effected change.
Fingers crossed!
mattholden01 3 years ago
I'm hoping for a general psychological change; an mental movement away from rancor, hate and fear. Terror has ruled America for 8 years.
steerpike66 3 years ago
Well if you enjoy communism, you will love Obama with a democratic congress.
nadeau 3 years ago
Stupid Republicans always equate any kind of social conscience with communism. Free school meals for poor kids? Communism. Libraries? Communism. Health care? Communism.
No wonder you're the only developed country on earth where people are literally shrinking because of malnutrition. Where are the tallest, healthiest, best nourished people found?
The Netherlands; home of gays, pot and socialism.
steerpike66 3 years ago
steer: Culture is a complicated thing and you can't fully understand a nation's culture unless you're raised there. You have only the slightest understanding of why americans make the decisions we do.
A fundamental tenet of our culture, from our founding, is distrust and dislike of centralized power. Any centralized power. This is the basis for resistance to the programs you cite...not because they're bad, but because they can only be accomplished by increasing centralized govt power.
JohnR22926 3 years ago
Yeah but you'll put your trust in centralized power as long as it doesn't masquerade as government; as long as it is apparently privately owned. The Fed extracts taxes and sets interest rates; it's a PRIVATE BANK that has no responsibilities to anyone but its shareholders. The only difference between the corporations that run your country and the government that SHOULD be running it is the corps have absolutely no mandate, no responsibility to govern fairly and no checks to their power.
steerpike66 3 years ago 2
Oh and I've been married to a guy from Michigan for the last 15 years; I've had the whole left-right schtick every Christmas for the last decade; one half of the family drive Hummers and praise Jesus; the other half are high-Democrat Episcopalians. I see it all. And you are closer to aristocracy now than Britain is, and the UK is a monarchy. The USA is an becoming an intensely class-ridden society.
steerpike66 3 years ago
Word-count won't let me continue; wider gaps between rich and poor will INEVITABLY lead to centralized power; the power of the rich; old fashioned aristocratic plutocracy: your reps are virtual nobles; Dynasts who've never worked a day in their lives. Bush? A Prince. A Dauphin. And you've already signed away most of your protections under the Patriot Act.
steerpike66 3 years ago
What am I talking about: Alexis De Tocqueville said all this a century ago.
steerpike66 3 years ago
One final post. Why is it that the Irish I've encountered on Youtube are by far the most extreme about capitalism and politics? Here's my theory; people in desparate straits grasp at radical solutions. Ireland has been unable to get past The Troubles, so there's a tendency to seek utopianist remedies.
Here's a deal; I won't arrogantly demand you implement my solutions to The Troubles, and you keep your semi-informed opinions re our economics/politics to yourself.
JohnR22926 3 years ago
Oh just you wait. Just you wait one decade and see what the hell becomes of the suburbs of the USA once oil hits $250.
steerpike66 3 years ago
Yeah, I can just see you rubbing your hands with glee. "Your day is done"! squeaks the mouse to the lion.
We've been through much worse. Once oil hits a particular price, the economic incentive will be there to move quickly into alternative energy sources. Nuclear is a good example; because of the assinine environmental zealots we haven't built a nuclear power plant since the 70s. It will be painful, but we'll be fine in the end. And in 10 yrs you'll be grinding your teeth in frustration.
JohnR22926 3 years ago
First of all I'm not gloating, you prat. We're all in the same economic boat; you go down; we go down. This is the reason your military is impotent; you can't bomb your own markets or you bomb yourself. The Iraq war is a perfect example of bombing the economy.
Secondly, your loin/mouse analogy is the purest kind of unconscious imperialist rubbish; you sound like a 19th century Briton and you don't even know it.
Thirdly, I'm not fat and I don't drink.
steerpike66 3 years ago
'economic incentive will be there to move quickly into alternative energy sources.'
Now THAT's liberal wish-fulfilment.
Yeah; and what happens to all those suburbs once the cars are out of commission; how's US rail these days?
steerpike66 3 years ago
steer: I'll reply to this post as it's the most preposterous of the bunch. For someone so familiar with the US, you obviously haven't bothered to check the population density outside the major metropolitan areas. Given our low population density, light rail/bus/subway are NOT feasible. We have cars because we must have them.
Once the oil hits a certain price, we'll shift to smaller, more fuel efficient cars, more car-pooling, etc. We'll do what people have always done; adjust and survive.
JohnR22926 3 years ago
'Given our low population density, light rail/bus/subway are NOT feasible. We have cars because we must have them.'
No, soon you WON'T have them, not even the little ones that run on the bio-fuels currently starving the world to death.
More navy-induced rabbiting of fundamental axioms.
steerpike66 3 years ago
I mean really! The arrogance of someone from Ireland preaching to an american about "class" issues or religion. Absurd!
We've always had economic classes in america but there's still absolute mobility (underclass excepted) between the classes...heredity/titles are meaningless. And regarding religion, most americans believe in a deity but the bible-thumping/tongue-talking fringe is a tiny minority. Funny how it's this fringe that gets the publicity in Europe; plays to your stereotypes I guess.
JohnR22926 3 years ago
Oh yeah? there's been a Bush on every Republican ticket since WWII. How much does a political campaign cost now? Mitt Romney? The Clinton millions?
Title are what rich fuckers give themselves after a while to legitimize their larceny.
steerpike66 3 years ago
Yeah, that and the Born Again President, and his party, and Jerry Falwell and Billy Graham in the Oval Office dictating policy, and the constant assault on feminism and the constant scaremongering about gays and The war on Christmas and on and on.
You think these things happen elsewhere?
steerpike66 3 years ago
steer: oh, I've got to respond to this one too.
Once again you prove my point. I don't CARE what you do in Ireland, or how they live in China. None of my FUCKING business. Got it?!
This entire thread started with your sanctimonious, condescending remarks regarding a culture you only vaguely understand. A typical Leftist; someone who has nothing and demands everyone else have it too.
You must be a great cook. I can't imagine why on earth he would stay married to such a scold otherwise.
JohnR22926 3 years ago 3
'I don't CARE'
for a man who spent his life overseas meddling in other people's lives for a living, you suddenly display a weird lack of interest, sailor boy.
Cook? Scold?
What a fucking unreconstructed asshole.
steerpike66 3 years ago
I'm only a scold to tight-assed, buzzcut old farts with a bowel full of red meat and a head full of crap out of the Weekly Standard.
steerpike66 3 years ago
Ever noticed that the insults which enrage people the most are the ones that are closest to the truth? My "scold" comment really touched a nerve, didn't it?
I'll say it again: you're a sanctimonious, arrogant scold. A moral bully who believes she's more "righteous" than everyone else and therefore has a duty to criticize and damn things she doesn't fully understand.
Just remember this: you get an opinion, but not a vote. We'll be deciding our fate, not you. Get back to Ireland. Soon.
JohnR22926 3 years ago
I'm in Ireland, douchebag. And did you notice, you've descended from specifics into generalisations?
Fuck your vote. Puppet A or puppet B? You haven't even figured out that I'm male yet, you damn fool.
steerpike66 3 years ago
You're right; I thought you were a woman. When you said you were "married to a guy in Michigan" it sorta threw me off. Jumping to such a rash conclusion just proves what a homophobe I am...doesn't it?
So wallow in your crypto-marxism, but rest assured that this is a center-right country and will remain so despite Obama's tepid shifts to the Left.
Also, be man enough to admit that your hatred for our system is directly related to gay rights. That's all you REALLY care about.
JohnR22926 3 years ago
A little info is dangerous in the hands of the uninformed (or in your case I'll say semi-informed). Your anti-corporate rant really is ott; typical euro-socialist paranoia. We really do elect our politicians and the president appoints the Fed chairman, so there is accountability. The Fed sets interest rates, as it should, in an attempt to divorce the long term health of our economy from daily partisan politics. Taxes are entirely a function of the legistlative/executive branch, not the Fed.
JohnR22926 3 years ago