Blowing up water jugs is fine for the dramatic, but demonstrates little of the rounds effectiveness. The water expansion test is very legit though. The human body is 75% water. So expansion is similar. Contacting bone or cartilage will further the fragmentation of the rounds. 22 lr hollow points will blowup water jugs.
you know it doesn't appear to open as uniformly as the hst and even appears to lose more metal in the process but that is an extrememly jagged and terrifying looking bullet. holy crap.
I just got me 4 boxes of this very ammo at a local gun show. I put one box thru mu gun to make sure it worked good, and it did. I put the second box into a large homemade ballistics gel that I put in the shape of a 5 gallon bucket (similar to a human torso). What what 34 rounds (I kept 16 for one of my extra mags) did to that gel torso gave me chills. I plan on using this ammo when it comes time to go hog hunting and I need my pistol as a backup weapon. Absolutely devastating !
Andre, good stuff and thank you very much for all you time in your testing. the information you are sharing with every one is very, very useful. You tim eis certainly not wasted.
@Mulletboi86 We put a packet of 10 cent Kool-Aid into the water as a cheap dye (its cheaper than food coloring) It is just to make the water more visible to the camera.
You know...I used to carry my G22 with he winchester white box 180 Gr. JHPs, but recently switched to the Winchester Ranger 180 Gr. BJHPs....and after watching this vid and the winchester white box vid, I am VERY glad I switched.
@beneaththefallen yup u made the right choice without videos like this i would have never known hoe much better hollow points can get than that good ole boy white box
Nice video. This is the same basic round as the Black Talon ammo from back in the '90s. As a shooter and hunter, I would like to express my disappointment in Winchester for bowing to the anti-gun crowd which gave this round a bad rap. It was not an armor piercing round nor were doctors cutting their surgical gloves during surgery like the media was reporting. A defensive hollow point is supposed to do as much damage as possible for the most stopping power. This is a good test with good results.
@barrypopins In fact, I think they've improved it a bit with the better tapering, so that the 'talons' don't curl past perpendicular to the trajectory. Shame it's so hard to get.
@barrypopins In fact, I think they've improved it a bit with the better tapering, so that the 'talons' don't curl past perpendicular to the trajectory as often. Shame it's so hard to get.
Na, too much water, if it expands its just dropping in the last bit of water. Shoot jugs and you will see what I mean. Most defense rounds stop in jug 3 or 4. If it dosent expand, then it punches through all of them. Jugs are about 5.5 inches thick, so if it goes through 4 then thats about 22 inches of water. The barrel is at least twice that in height.
@TheSoundExperience83 False!These rounds are identical to the old Black Talon's which do expand in this fashion.The rounds in this video were fully expanded before they hit bottom of the barrel because the pedals are perfectly uniform in shape.I have shot many rounds into dirt and soft clay and they all have the same mushroom shape unlike testing it on wood or steel when the jacket actually closes inward,thus little or no expansion.Too bad these rounds are so hard to get.Thanks again Winchester!
Do you have any experience with differences between the 165 grain and 180 grain bullets in terms of performance? Great videos btw. Need to whip out the .40 for some range time.
Personally I would choose a 165 grain for the .40. I have only my tests and what I have read to make that determination. I do not own a .40 - I had to borrow one for these tests, so take my advice with a grain of salt. Although I may buy a .40 because that the only cal that seems to be readily available locally. Im tired of seeing empty shelves where the 9mm and .45 ammo goes.
Blowing up water jugs is fine for the dramatic, but demonstrates little of the rounds effectiveness. The water expansion test is very legit though. The human body is 75% water. So expansion is similar. Contacting bone or cartilage will further the fragmentation of the rounds. 22 lr hollow points will blowup water jugs.
photodude47 3 weeks ago
Ayoob Massad rates this specific ammunition as the #1 man stopper for the .40, nice vids!
TalmadgeTheHypnotist 5 months ago
you know it doesn't appear to open as uniformly as the hst and even appears to lose more metal in the process but that is an extrememly jagged and terrifying looking bullet. holy crap.
yz9890 9 months ago
mean looking flowers.lol
tito8512 11 months ago
I just got me 4 boxes of this very ammo at a local gun show. I put one box thru mu gun to make sure it worked good, and it did. I put the second box into a large homemade ballistics gel that I put in the shape of a 5 gallon bucket (similar to a human torso). What what 34 rounds (I kept 16 for one of my extra mags) did to that gel torso gave me chills. I plan on using this ammo when it comes time to go hog hunting and I need my pistol as a backup weapon. Absolutely devastating !
centurion205 11 months ago 6
Andre, good stuff and thank you very much for all you time in your testing. the information you are sharing with every one is very, very useful. You tim eis certainly not wasted.
fasteagle41 1 year ago 4
@fasteagle41 Thank you!
andreleger2001 1 year ago
1:30 = Mr. nasty time
heavensarmory 1 year ago
why it gotta b kool-aid? lol
Mulletboi86 1 year ago
@Mulletboi86 We put a packet of 10 cent Kool-Aid into the water as a cheap dye (its cheaper than food coloring) It is just to make the water more visible to the camera.
andreleger2001 1 year ago
You know...I used to carry my G22 with he winchester white box 180 Gr. JHPs, but recently switched to the Winchester Ranger 180 Gr. BJHPs....and after watching this vid and the winchester white box vid, I am VERY glad I switched.
beneaththefallen 1 year ago
@beneaththefallen yup u made the right choice without videos like this i would have never known hoe much better hollow points can get than that good ole boy white box
bobwatters 1 year ago
Damn, can you imagine the damage that could cause going through your chest?
redneck500 2 years ago
Nice video. This is the same basic round as the Black Talon ammo from back in the '90s. As a shooter and hunter, I would like to express my disappointment in Winchester for bowing to the anti-gun crowd which gave this round a bad rap. It was not an armor piercing round nor were doctors cutting their surgical gloves during surgery like the media was reporting. A defensive hollow point is supposed to do as much damage as possible for the most stopping power. This is a good test with good results.
barrypopins 2 years ago 7
@barrypopins In fact, I think they've improved it a bit with the better tapering, so that the 'talons' don't curl past perpendicular to the trajectory. Shame it's so hard to get.
AramisWyler 6 months ago
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@barrypopins In fact, I think they've improved it a bit with the better tapering, so that the 'talons' don't curl past perpendicular to the trajectory as often. Shame it's so hard to get.
AramisWyler 6 months ago
I think the bullet is hitting the bottom of the water barrel and making it expand more.. Try shooting into something that don't have steel behind it
TheSoundExperience83 2 years ago
Na, too much water, if it expands its just dropping in the last bit of water. Shoot jugs and you will see what I mean. Most defense rounds stop in jug 3 or 4. If it dosent expand, then it punches through all of them. Jugs are about 5.5 inches thick, so if it goes through 4 then thats about 22 inches of water. The barrel is at least twice that in height.
andreleger2001 2 years ago
@TheSoundExperience83 False!These rounds are identical to the old Black Talon's which do expand in this fashion.The rounds in this video were fully expanded before they hit bottom of the barrel because the pedals are perfectly uniform in shape.I have shot many rounds into dirt and soft clay and they all have the same mushroom shape unlike testing it on wood or steel when the jacket actually closes inward,thus little or no expansion.Too bad these rounds are so hard to get.Thanks again Winchester!
barrypopins 2 years ago
Do you have any experience with differences between the 165 grain and 180 grain bullets in terms of performance? Great videos btw. Need to whip out the .40 for some range time.
darwinner007 2 years ago
Personally I would choose a 165 grain for the .40. I have only my tests and what I have read to make that determination. I do not own a .40 - I had to borrow one for these tests, so take my advice with a grain of salt. Although I may buy a .40 because that the only cal that seems to be readily available locally. Im tired of seeing empty shelves where the 9mm and .45 ammo goes.
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The Talon's look sharper than the 45's for some reason ay??They are still nasty round's that's why I use em king of king's -_-!
GLOCKSTEROC 2 years ago
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GLOCKSTEROC 2 years ago
that is cool
deanstrain 2 years ago