@freewilllover Not all adults can "kill fetuses". But it is the prerogative of the woman that is carrying the pregnancy to discontinue the pregnancy if she feels threatened by being in that condition. If Gianna were to have any health complications from her body weakness, physical impairments, etc. , then no one can force her the continue a complicated pregnancy. Is she married? Is she seeing anybody? None of my business, just wondering if she has a personal life when not touring.
Dear Lord..to hurt her twice..is painful..But bless this precious girl for forgiving her Mother...God bless her Mom inspite of what she said to her cos i would have to say its her loss again, for not raising such an inspirational and wonderfully moulded by the loving hand of God individual...xoxoxo
How can you say that about a living, breathing, thinking and loving person like Gianna? Humanity has grown cold and apathetic toward basic unconditional compassion...
HammerOfPink... Who hurt you so much? I am a Christian, but I don't attack your choice to not follow God or even acknowledge His existence. Why disrespect my choice and attack my Lord with your words? Your responses here are not intellectual, but very emotional and angry. I suspect you have been hurt by a "religious" person, perhaps even someone who claims to be a Christian, and I'm sorry for that. But here's the bottom line: God loves you. As you are. No conditions.
l think you have the wrong person... l do believe in God. l have not been hurt lol. You're probably thinking of beesleeper. xD He was responding to my comments.
Gianna Jessen's mother was 7 months pregnant when she tried to abort her. She was not a zygote at all.
Furthermore, a zygote will eventually become a person. Taking away someone's potential is not a righteous thing to do. Nor is it to stand by and watch things like this happen frequently.
Also, please don't take my Lord's name in vain. lt is quite offensive when you use his name like that.
Fuck your lord and your religious bullshit. Read a fucking science book. Jesus Fucking Christ, you religious asshole are a goddamn fucking shame to this nation. No gods exist. No unicorns either.
America will never have laws based on your fucking religious bullshit.
You are a hypocrite. You are so offended if Christians talk to you about God and Jesus (out of love for YOU mind you). Yet you think it's okay to use our Lord's name in such a disrespectful manner? That is the most ignorant thing ever. There are people who love Jesus, and you are being just as offensive by saying that as you'd be offended by a Christian trying to convert you.
I don't believe in religion. l'm a Christian, l follow truth only.
Furthermore, I love reading science books. Christianity is like the only belief system that hasn't been disproven by science. Furthermore, how arrogant can you be to think that we as limited human beings in this vast universe are able to comprehend and understand everything that goes on simply through science? We have a natural curiosity to explore and influence the world around us, but there are some things we can never understand.
And lastly, please use proper manners when debating. I enjoy having philosophical debates, but l can't stand people like you who are always cursing and have little evidence to back yourself up other than "read a science book" and nothing else to do other than to mock me, calling me the shame of a nation etc. You know what they call you? A Troll.
Furthermore, your being quick to anger and get frustrated is only proof that you know the truth, but are afraid to admit it.
There is free speech, anyone can use any words they want.
But if you're going to use such words that are offensive to Christians you're being a hypocrite when you say Christians offend you.
I agree. Religious people are ridiculous sometimes. l am not religious and neither are Christians. We do not follow the corrupt man made rituals and practices, we just follow truth.
Where is your evidence to support that Christians do nothing but harm? Again, you let your anger speak for you
I'm not trying to control other people. Indeed he can say what he wants (freedom of choice/speech) However, l think it's pretty fair to say that him saying "jesus fucking christ you're fucking stupid" to a Christian is rude. lt's rude to call black people nigger, or gay people fag, or to say "Heil Hitler" around Jewish people... and it's rude to use the Lord's name in vain around a Christian. The fact that he knew l was a Christian and did it anyway makes him a dick pretty much...
Righteousness is not based on my opinion, nor yours, or anyone's. It is based on Truth, which is God. There is a fine line between Truth and Lies, Good and evil. It becomes obvious to you once you are enlightened enough to seek the truth and live by it. l'm not claiming my opinion is right over everyone else's. l don't have an opinion, l follow facts and logic.
So you don't want me to tell the Truth? Would you rather me lie? Would you rather me pretend that abortion is okay like it's no big deal?
Abortion is no different than the holocaust. It cannot be ignored at all, just like the holocaust cannot be denied. It is a serious issue that must be dealt with.
@HammerOfPink says: bortion is no different than the holocaust.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Spoken like a true psychopath who equates living breathing jewish human BEINGS, to a non existant (in the realm of personhood) entity with the consciousness level of god damned earthworm. Youre opinion of Jews is disturbing.
What do you mean nonexistent entities? When an egg is fertilized it is the beginning of life. Whether it be zygote, embryo, fetus, baby, child, adolescent, adult, whatever, it is still human.
I don't think of Jews as earthworms. l love the Jews, their race was chosen by God to set an example for the rest of the Gentiles.
It is the same as the holocaust in the sense that the way people are feeling about it. Innocence lives are being exterminated everyday. The Nazis didn't view Jews or any other prisoners as people. They were "less than human" Abortionists don't view fetuses as people either... just masses of cells. Furthermore, Josef Mengele, the Nazi physician who performed horrific experiments on people like lab mice, pioneered abortion techniques which are now legal within the United States.
@Sueezee1 Uhb you support abortion till birth at which point the fetuses are as intelegent as babies, by your logic infancide is oke, also Jews aren`t concious whrn asleep!!!!!!!!!
@freewilllover says: you support abortion till birth at which point the fetuses are as intelegent as babies, by your logic infancide is oke,
~~~~~~~~~~~ Abortion is NOT about intelliegence...its about not wanting said child. Its illegal to kill infants. Do you ever have have a valid point,. or do you just like typing?
@HammerOfPink says: It is a serious issue that must be dealt with.
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It HAS been dealt with, thats why abortion , excpet for a few years of governemnt idiocy, has been legal since this countries beginning. You dont seem to have one single damned thing that will work for you, do you? Its why we won and you cant./
l am not competing in a contest. l am simply following the Truth. I follow a divine Truth, whereas you follow a man made fantasy. And yes, many people agree with you, but that doesn't make it right. Same as just because most people thought the earth was flat, didn't mean it was flat. The fact that it is legal is the general public acknowledging that it is okay. Which I will never do. It's a sign that our country as a whole is turning toward and embracing evil. l will never support it.
@HammerOfPink says: Would you rather me pretend that abortion is okay
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LOl, "OK" according to who? YOU? Sorry, sweetie youre not the judge of ANYTHING for the people of the world. Its why youre a loser in this battle. (smile). 40 MILLIOn abortions worldwide EACH year says its MORE than "ok"!! Why dont you say something valid, that I cant make you look foolish over? Oh ya, you dont have anything
Once again, l'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. l am simply following the Truth. lt doesn't matter if more people believe something because they're blind. It doesn't make it ok. Same as slavery back in the day was viewed as "okay." But is it morally? Absolutely not!
40 million abortions doesn't make it okay. An army of billions of people living in selfish fantasy cannot come against our one God, who lives in Truth. Once again, this isn't my opinion. lt is simply the truth.
@Sueezee1 Oke you see you use the law again which also allowed the holocaust and fetuses are alos human biengs all they are is in the first few months uncious lik you are when asleep, can Ikill you in your sleep trol!!!!!!!!!
@freewilllover says: fetuses are alos human biengs all they are is in the first few months uncious lik you are when asleep, can Ikill you in your sleep trol!
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No, its illegal to kill human beings. Thats why killing embryos is legal. (smile). You just cant seem to win this, can you? Knowledge is power, and you have neither. Its why IM the winner here/
The law sais they aren`t if the law decides chickens are human are they? You base your arguments on the idea the law is perfect in which case the law ios oke, the law can say blue is green uit isn`t, fetuseds are factually human beings thwey have the cells which make human which is the scientific definition, fetuses are as much humans as Jews in Germany I gues you support the holocaust, unles you will again fall back on concious which later fetusrs do have and also which sciewnticficily is wrong
@freewilllover says: he law sais they aren`t if the law decides chickens are human are they?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ how can a chilcken be of the human species? you clearly fall too short in your capacity for principle-level and abstract thinking to debate this matter
~~~~~~~~~ Biology/ Science has NOTHING to do with the issue of legal abortion. Its about rights of people,the law, the 5th, 9th, 13th, & 14th Amend.,The Universal Dec. of Human Rights, The Supreme Court, social custom & necessity, Roe v. Wade & NO science . Im done with you. Anyone who thinks chickens could be made human isnt smart enough to speak to ME!!
@Sueezee1 .. and combine this with the law but since either argument works on it`s own they can`t work together either. Aklso some goverments decided th mentally disabled weren`t humans so weren`t they?
@freewilllover Only if it is the woman herself that chooses too! Are you glad that Hitler's mother gave birth? Do you think he was born with the mustache?
@mylittlekittens Wait why should parents be allowed to kill their children, as a parent you don`t own your child, yes I am glad Hitler was born because watch Terminator 2, you can`t kill someone before they do something evil, and by again this logic you could also kill children cause they might become evil!!!!
@freewilllover Maybe you can make Hitler's birthday a National Holiday for prolifers!
Parents (fathers and mothers) can never kill their children, but women cannot be forced to birth either. And women that are happy to give birth do not have to have an abortion. It's pretty logical!
@mylittlekittens Oke you are just trolling we support the right to live and you say that can allow evil well yes evilis a part of life, by your logic everybody should be killed and the death of children with cancer should be celebrated cause they can become evil!!!!!
@freewilllover Wow. That's pretty strange thinking. Most children with cancer 1. are sickly with chronic illness 2. some get cured with treatments 3 Many die at a young age
It really has no impact on "evil." I'm sure their parents enjoy making their little ones happy the best they can even though they are suffering. Do you think about what you say or do you just whip out these comments as soon as the idea pops into your head?
@mylittlekittens The point is some kids die which you should support cause they could become like Hitler if abortion is oke to prevent Hitler so is killing in general!!!!!!!!!!
@freewilllover You really do not have a point. Your solutions are stupid. I know little about Hitler's mother, however, many women do regret birthing criminals.
@freewilllover says: by your logic everybody should be killed and the death of children with cancer should be celebrated cause they can become evil!!!!!
@mylittlekittens Why can`t women be forced to give birth??? That is the result of not murdering and you don`t have the rigt to murder so have to give birth!!!!
@freewilllover says, "Why can't women be forced to give birth?"
Because, currently our government does not have the means to chain pregnant women into dungeons until they are brought to term. Perhaps, one day, after our National Debt is paid off, they will form a department that has employees that will detect pregnancy in women that are in public places and keep track of them until term. If their pregnancy ends, they will have to be interrogated and perhaps incarcerated.
@freewilllover says: Why can`t women be forced to give birth??
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Why can`t women be forced to have abortions, and thats exactly what will happen if the gov takes over and controls our reproduction. Dont be stupid enough to think the gov will be JUST prolife. It will NEVER end there. The poor will be made to abort, how ya like that freedom??
Oh can't control others. l just find it very hypocritical that when l talk about God people get super offended, and yet they are totally okay with going around using his name in vain and all that stuff. People have absolutely no manners and then they get annoyed when Christians talk to them? l'm not controlling other people, l just think they're should have respect. Their lack of respect demonstrates the amount of honor they have in themselves as people. None.
@HammerOfPink says: l just find it very hypocritical that when l talk about God people get super offended,
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" Offend" my ass... you play the god card because you have NOTHING intelliegent and/or educated to add. God is your cop out...your get out of jail free card because you cant fight the perfection of aboriton laws any other way, and youre too ignorant to know your godly ideas dont mean shit in the realm of legal abortion.
And so l'm just curious... l've gathered that you are Pro-choice and support a woman's right to get an abortion if she wants to. What is your opinion on Gianna Jessen? Do you consider her a person or a blob? Do you think she deserves her rights, or do you think that she should have had them taken away from her before birth (so much for womens' rights in my opinion) After she was born alive, do you think she should have been left to die? What are your thoughts on her exactly?
@HammerOfPink says: What is your opinion on Gianna Jessen?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ She is is the darling of the neocon fascists, it's unfortunate this fetus survived to do such evil.. Her, being alive, is no more special than ANY other miracle of birth, & if you think so, youre a psychopath
Seeing that you hate her for surviving an abortion, would you support her immediate capture and execution? Do you still view her as "less than human" as you do fetuses, even though now she is an outspoken woman with an identity and a free conscience? l'm just curious, that's all. That's my question: would you support her immediate execution and do you consider her a human.
@HammerOfPink says: Do you consider her a person or a blob?
~~~~~~~~~~ She hes BORN so she IS a person and we are all blobs...blobs of tissue...so are you. Why does that bother you so much?? Ohhhhh, thats right, it dosent bother you at all, its just a weak, useless probirth argument you've chosen to use. Thats why abortion is legal. You dont have squat.
~~~~~~~~~~ Why do you have to ask a prochoicers about the "whys" of abortion? When you get educated, you wont have to do that, and then you will know the truth and you STILL wont use it, so why bother?
You don`t win cause yoy seem to support the idea that the goverment decides facts, no facts are facts regardless of thew law, and you cotinue to ignore how this compares toi the holocaust which is the missing piece, cause you conviniently refrain from answering top the comment that intelegence has nothing to do with being part of a species cause being part of a species is having thw cells upu ignore science in the favour of what you see as human intelegence whic can justisfy infabcide..
@freewilllover says: you cotinue to ignore how this compares toi the holocaust
~~~~~~~~~ how dare you think that the living breathing, loved, loving Jews were no different than an unknown enitity with no consciousnesss. Youre hate of the Jews is a showing. You should be s ashamed.
@Sueezee1 Uh again you asee youi ignore how late term fetuses are concious alos again both are humans and btw Jews aren`t concious when asleep so woulod had been oke had Hitler killed Jews in their lseep???
@freewilllover says: you cotinue to ignore how this compares toi the holocaus
~~~~~~~~~~ Thats because only a psychopath can equate a Jew with a non exsistant entity. But, keep thinking that way, the dumber you are, the better for us. Go for it, dumbass..lol
So you agree that if a baby is born alive by accident (like Gianna) then it should be illegal for a doctor to leave them to die. At least you agree with me on that.
Btw, how can you ever say it's unfortunate that someone survived? Your lack of compassion toward other members of the human race makes me very sick to my stomach. =( Why are you filled with so much hate?
@Sueezee1 Oke why do only born huamn have rights, isn`t discriminating the right to live the same as what the Nazis did is it because the babies are dependent meaning weak???????
@freewilllover says: isn`t discriminating the right to live the same as what the Nazis did is it because the babies are dependent meaning weak
~~~~~~~~~~ WHAT?? You actaully think the halocaust and abortion were/ are done because one is weak? Humans do NOT have rights...human beings do... When are you going to grasp this simple concept?
So a fetus is not a human being, is what you're saying. What is it? An alien? Seriously. Fetuses can move. Can feel pain. They even have dreams. That is definitely human. Human's can't arise from nothing. Even fertilized ovum comes from 2 humans.
The fact that you are so hasty to stop having this conversation shows that you know you are wrong but are afraid to admit it. Luke 21:15 -"I will give you words and wisdom which none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict."
Different people react differently when coming against the True word of Christ. Some change the subject. Some become angry. They will not debate diplomatically and intelligently because they cannot come against the truth, and their only choice is to get angry and be evil. You have no where to turn because you cannot come against the truth with words of your own. That is why you say "You're too ignorant to talk to me bye"
l hope you will someday realize how valuable life is.
@freewilllover says: Oke why to humans in an early stage have no rights???????
~~~~~~~~~~~ Humans have NO right! Do you know "human" is ONLY a word that denotes the catagory of our species???? It means NOTHING else. How can you kill a species???
I guarantee you if there was no one that was able to adopt, there probably wouldn't be as big as a controversy, however as sad as infertility is, many of those people say and think and feel sorry for themselves and find it very unfair that a woman was able to conceive and then chooses abortion when they could have gotten that baby and raised them,it's selfish on their part, by no means do I think a poor little baby should suffer an abortion nor do I think they should suffer adoption either!
Ok how about this, No abortions, and No adoptions either, all women get to keep their offspring as God intended, how about that for pro-life, TRUST me there is an agenda behind the anti-abortion movement and that is for the INFERTILE couples to get their grubby hands on a fresh womb baby, I personally don't believe in abortion I support family preservation, so all that money that gos to adopters when they adopt should go to the mother and her child so they can stay together
Oh yeah, well "See, some people worry about their own life and others insist on butting into the private lives of others. This entire debatte could end with you just minding your own fucking business. Fuck a mule for all I care, dipshit, just mind your own business. If this were to get to a point where you butted into my private life, no god could save you." seems like a pretty loud cry of 'I'm losing' to me! Don't put yourself into the bracket of a debater, you're really not.
@GoldenbanjoDJ Notice that wierd word, in the middle of pre-MATUREely. Mature, look up what that one means. It has something to do with getting to the point where development is no longer needed. That could mean in life, a fetus, reaching the point it can SURVIVE on it's own, or simply the point where life is POSSIBLE at all. The reason you can't show me PROOF to back up your claim is because there isn't any ABSOLUTE proof of when life begins, it's simple a best guess. And you know it.
As for the flag, cliche really isn't the right word for that sentence. You could say 'rule', but cliche doesn't really fit that well. To be honest, when confronted by the likes of you, who are lacking in logic and intelligence, I just take whatever you say and go in the opposite direction with it. Therefore, when you say 'it doesn't help your image', it makes me happy because I would not want to be something that would suit you, because that entiry would correlate with stupidity.
How did we get onto religion (when this is not a religious discussion) and Confederate flags (when this is not a historical discussion)? Is this a common tactic that you employ? Make unrelated statements, seeing as you can't face up to the fact that all of your points have been answered to the point where you cannot respond intelligently, in attempt to shift the burden of stupidity from yourself? I see you have done that above.
Ad homs are the last resort of the stupid. Classic.
@GoldenbanjoDJ Of course it is, the majority of so-called pro-lifers are religious, including you. So don't act as though religion has no part in this. Your need to avoid facing reality shows more about your integrity than your faith. I knew you were a christian before seeing your channel, why, because your arguement is the exact same as every other churchie that wants to do what they think their god wants. Wierd thing, is that you worship someone that's proud to have killed the innocent.
So because the majority of pro-lifers are religious, that means pro-life arguments all have a religious element? The only way you could convincingly argue that is if you could prove that 100% of pro-lifers are religious (and I know you can't do that), because otherwise in the sphere of reality (which we are in), your statement is erroneous. None of my arguments included 'what God wants', they included scientific fact, which you are YET to refute.
@GoldenbanjoDJ hahahaha DUH, you retard. We are what we are, and you claim first to be a christian. Are you going to now claim that your faith doesn't affect your beliefs? I don't know many LIVING people that would buy that crap. Who ever said 100% were religious? I said MOST, and that is a FACT. Along with the fact that MOST abortions are performed on women that claim to be religious also.
I don't need to refute YOUR opinion, I have a valid one as well, prove mine wrong. You can't.
Do I have to spell the logic of my assertion re: majority pro-life = religious for you?! Ah I suppose I do, you have not yet shown yourself as having much of an affinity for logic. OK here goes.
1. You state the majority of pro-lifers are religious. (lets say 85%)
2. Therefore, the minority of pro-lifers are NOT religious. (obviously 15%, to make that 100% of pro-lifers)
3. Therefore, there are pro-life people who do NOT hold religious arguments as being valid.
4. Therefore, there are arguments for the pro-life position that do not depend on religious conviction. They are the ones I have been using. The fact that you don't HAVE to be religious to be pro-life (clearly the fact you can't prove that 100% of pro-life people are religious is evidence of this fact) means there are non-religiously based arguments.
LOL you know you're talking to a sad case when you see a response like your two liner!
@GoldenbanjoDJ Dude, your "facts" are opinions, and can't be PROVEN. Conception is simply ONE stage in the pregnancy. In fact, without implantation, life isn't possible, yet you claim that life has already begun. 30% of all fetus' are never born, yet you're ready to print birth anouncements.
Correct, from NON-religious PEOPLE, which you are not. I nailed you down from the word go. Face it, YOU claim to be a christian above all else. How can you now claim that your faith isn't invoved?
@GoldenbanjoDJ as well as religious people who are pro-choice, most likey 85%. See, some people worry about their own life and others insist on butting into the private lives of others. This entire debatte could end with you just minding your own fucking business. Fuck a mule for all I care, dipshit, just mind your own business. If this were to get to a point where you butted into my private life, no god could save you.
"This entire debatte (*typo*) could end with you just minding your own fu***** business. Fu** a mule for all I care, dips***, just mind your own business."
Is it just me or are you getting annoyed that you can't respond to my arguments and you are looking for a way out of the discussion?
Faith is involved, but not every argument has to be based on faith you simpleton! How can you not grasp this?! The only reason you 'nailed me down' was because it is correct that MOST people who...
... are pro-life are religious. It's not exactly an inspirational move that you 'nailed me down' as a 'churchie', as you call it. I have told you what the characteristics of 'life' is, and a fetus displays all of them. Your argument that because the egg does not implant means that it never was alive in the first place, is again an absurd statement. death happens all the time. Why can death not occur within the womb?
@GoldenbanjoDJ Sorry dude, but a pregnancy doesn't even start until implantation. A fertilized egg is nothing more than POSSIBLE life. That is a fact. we all know that even at 20 weeks gestation, a fetus cannot live on it's own outside the womb. PERIOD. Science has allowed us to help a fetus live, but it isn't alive on it's own. Life begins when it is possible for a fetus to LIVE on it's own, until then, it's just POSSIBLE life.
It's common sense to suggest that a fetus has to be able to live on its own to be considered alive? I thought you said sentience was the prerequisite? You're so confusing!! ANOTHER logical fallacy! so if science is necessary to keep a fetus alive, the fetus is not alive, but if a mother feeding her completely dependent child is necessary to keep a child alive, then it can be considered alive? clearly there is more to the definition of life than 'can the fetus live by itself'?
@GoldenbanjoDJ Once LIVING on it's own in the world, sentience is a reality. Example: Tell me what you remember about your gestation? Any memories at all? OK, now tell about your birth? Do you remember it? No? Hmmm? Why is it that nobody ever claims to be able to remember their own birth? Wierd, almost like our minds weren't recording any of life's experiences yet.
So because I cannot (thankfully) remember by first breastfeed (or, again thankfully, any other of my breastfeeds for that matter) I was not sentient and therefore not alive? you have changed your definition of life from the fetus being alive outside the womb with no help (erroneous) to the belief that one must be sentient to be alive. chop and change a bit more if you like!
@GoldenbanjoDJ IDK, you tell me. The fact is that NOBODY has claimed to remember that far back in life. There is a scientific reason, I'm sure. Question is, why? Some dipshits say that we get our soul at first breathe, some say at quickening, some say the soul doesn't exist. But one thing is sure, anyone claiming to know exactly when life begins is lying, cause nobody KNOWS exactly when it does.
@GoldenbanjoDJ Yeah, that's why I keep replying(how dumb are you?) DUDE! I called you as a christian, and you turned out to be a General Lee, bible humper. What's worse, is that I asked you and you tried to hide it.
What kind of person tries to hide who they claim to be? Either you thought it would hurt your case, or are ashamed of it. I'm guessing you knew it would hurt your case. I mean hell, if I claimed that gdo was a pedifile aa an athiest, shouldn't that hurt my claim? Yes.
Yeah, but you keep replying with the same circular point again and again and again. You're bringing nothing fresh. You are bringing up sentience non stop even though your very standpoint on that is being challenged by British Medical specialists, you bring up 'aww why didn't you tell me you are Christian? why are you trying to hide it?' again and again when i have already covered that. if i was hiding it, i would not have the channel i have. it's one click away. ur a waste of time.
Put simply, you're making this discussion stale. I suspect this is your favourite tactic (you did it with the last person). I usually have a much better, faster paced discussion with people who understand science and logic (at least i don't have to hold their hand through explaining logical points as i do with you), but frankly it has been lacking whilst in diatribe with you. Sorry bro/sis, you're just not bright enough.
ps, i'd love to see what you'd do if i 'butted into your private life'! lol! no god could save me? is that a threat? the last resort of the intelectually challenged... violence.
@GoldenbanjoDJ Nope, no threat, a warning. I'm pro-life, MINE. Stay out of my personal life and you can keep your intact.
seriously, learn to mind your own business. I have no idea why churchies insist on worrying about shit they have no right to get involved with. It's kinda sick.
@GoldenbanjoDJ Aha, the (i'm getting bored, tactic) that so many inferior debators use to run.
I've never seen that one before. Tell you what, you simply provide a single SCIENTIFIC, un-biased source that claims that life ABSOLUTELY begins at conception, and I'll gladly admit you are right.
@GoldenbanjoDJ Sorry, I ASKED you and all you had to do was answer. Why you didn't, only you can tell, but honesty was lacking for some reason. If you eliminate all other possibilities, what remains is the answer. You had no reason NOT to answer, but you chose not to. Only you know why. If you'd asked me, I'd have answered. PROUDLY!
I had as much reason not to answer about something irrelevant to the discussion as you would if I asked you who your favourite rugby player is. It's a distraction from the point at hand, and pardon me if this was not your intention, but attempting to distract people in debates is a common, active strategy for people who are stumped by your argument. I wanted to press you on the issues because you were and are on the back foot. You tried to distract me
@GoldenbanjoDJ IRRELEVANT, or condemning? You knew that it would taint your claims, that's why you didn't answer. You simply took the 5th.
Yeah, IF the subject was Aussie sports, you cannot deny that there are religious issues involved, especially being a confederate christian. No distraction, simply wanting ALL facts involved out in the open, unlike you. IF you didn't think it mattered, you'd have just answered, but you didn't, highlighting your dis-honesty. Your argument has no merit.
It was irrelevant. Remember that logical situation that I almost had to literally had to take your hand and walk you through? the implication of that is that you do not have to be religious to argue from a pro-life standpoint.
@GoldenbanjoDJ YOU SAY. Thank goodness YOU don't get the final word, huh? Look, I have no "god" telling me what I should believe or do, you do. Somehow, you expect me to believe that you can somehow put aside your CSA christianhood and think without bias. I say NO FUCKING WAY. That would be like me giving my opinon on which religion is the true one, my bias doesn't allow me to do that, especially since all churchies are nuttier than squirrel shit. Sorry pal, that dog don't hunt.
lol thanks. In the end it kind of petered out into pointlessness. But that's what usually happens when trolls get their backsides handed to them on a topic that THEY start arguing about! xD
@GoldenbanjoDJ Hahahahaha I love it when churchies masterbate to the thought that they could even have a chance at a debate involving facts and knowledge.
@GoldenbanjoDJ Yeah, the one in this debate that hasn't followed almost every other moron into the realm of, is the one that's an idiot. You keep telling yourself that mythology and lost, failed cultures are correct, please do.
I don't give a flying fuck what you do, in fact I enjoy having douchebags like you to point to as an example of what not to do. It's wierd, when asked about my beliefs, I LOVE letting people know, yet you seemed to almost me embarassed, why?
Yeah that first sentence needs revision. Good well at least you're getting your little kicks whilst trolling into arguments that you clearly have nothing intelligent to say in. I see your type everywhere. You ask a question, get it answered to such an extent that you can't reply, then move on to ask another (sometimes irrelevant) question, to which you also can't reply. Repeat, repeat. I'm not embarassed. If I was I would have a page like yours that contains almost no information!!
"I am a Christian", she tells her mom. This is powerful and moving. Gianna started her life in adversity....very inspiring. I wish all pro-choicers would really think about their opinion. Opinion is contingent on experience. God Bless you Gianna!!!
If you are a parent, you have an OBLIGATION to be responsible and to be there to provide everything that child needs. This is true for men and women.
However, so long as women have the right to KILL THAT CHILD and avoid their responsibilities, then men should be allowed to bail on fatherhood. I don't encourage this, but I hold NO ILL WILL to those that do.
If you have a problem with that, then join the MRM and help eradicate the KILLING of BABIES (aka abortion) FOREVER!
I MET GIANNA AT A RELIGOUS CONVENTION ABOUT 17 YEARS AGO. HER STORY TOUCHED MY HEART TREAMENDOUSLY. A FEW MONTHS LATER AT 16 I FOUND OUT THAT I WAS PREGNANT. AT 17 I GAVE BIRTH TO MY OLDEST SON WHO PASSED AWAY JUST A FEW HOURS AFTER HE WAS BORN. ALL THESE YEARS I HAVE WONDERED HOW A MOTHER -TO- BE COULD POSSIBLY EVEN CONSIDER AN ABORTION. MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS HAVE MANY TIMES BEEN WITH GIANNA. GIANNA I PRAISE YOU FOR THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE LORD AND ARE CONTINUING TO DO! GOD BLESS YOU!
@dlaz0109 I'm also aware that some states have laws that forbid people from walking their horse on sunday unless it's wearing boots, what's your point? You provide me with evidence that can be used to argue AGAINST your claim that life begins at conception, by stating that even the states can't agree. Why do you think some are claiming personhood begins at 20 weeks and some earlier? Why. because we can't agree on it. What did Blackmun say? "if personhood is ever established" Good luck LOL
@dlaz0109 Don't be retarded. I live in the greatest nation on earth, with the greatest constitution on earth. Only a backward, turd world country would give the sames rights to both the LIVING and NON-LIVING. Do you want a tree to have the same rights as a LIVING human? What about a rat, should rats have the same rights LIVING humans have? I doubt you're that ignorant. Maybe.
That was soley in regards to marraige and the statement, "let no man destroy"..is refering to those who commit adulty with a married person. . Why do all of you bible thumpers LIE IN THE IN NAME OF GOD? If "his" rules are too hard for you to follow...why bother?
@Sueezee1 The fact is that my statements aren't based off of my opinions...The opinions that I have are not formed because of what makes ME happy... They are the principles that are taught in the Bible. God says that HE has formed us in the womb, and WE do not have the authority to take the life that He gave. You being the educated person you are "knew that" I'm sure.
@inanimatefury says: statements arent my opinions/ principles that are taught in the bible
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Where in the bible does it say a fetus deserve a chance at life, AND why do you people always play the God card when you know it means nothing in our laws?
@inanimatefury says: God says that HE has formed us in the womb,
~~~~~~~~~~~ That has absolutely NO connection with your statement that fetuses deserve a chance at life, nor does it insinuate ANYtihng regarding abortion. Youre a liar in the name of God.
@inanimatefury says do not have authority to take a life he gave
~~~~~~~~~~ Prove that includes fetuses. You cant... Youre still LYING IN THE NAME OF GOD. is your desire to end abortion so strong that will put words in your Gods mouth just to help yourself? if you cant follow his simple rules, why do you even bother?
@dlaz0109 El Salvidore= third world. Nicaraugua=third world. BTW, abortion is still happening, just in back rooms without any real medical care. Congrats, now women will die as well.
First, let's be honest. 83% SAY they're a member of a religion, we both know that SAYING you belong to something is far different than actually participating. When I joined the Army, I said I was Catholic to avoid duty on sundays. The truth is that around 40% actually attend church regularly.
@dlaz0109 hahahahaha Good luck with that. Right now is as conservative as this nation has been in decades and there's no way in hell your side can get 3/4 of the states to outlaw something that half the country wants left alone. I hate to tell you, but taking away a woman's right to chose will ALWAYS be a question of constitutionality.
@davidandAim Only if YOUR conservatives values are imposed on others with out THEIR permission. You have a right to whatever religion you want, just as I have a right NOT to worship. Yes, bad parenting, my mother FORCED me to attend CCD.(lucky my priest didn't like little boys) That is akin to forcing your child to attend any cult. BTW, are you referring to Jimmy Swaggert's values or Jim Baker's? Mark Sanford's? LOL
@dlaz0109 Wrong, TO YOU. I believe religions are wrong, shall we outlaw them? You seem to have a problem with being able to separate what YOU think is wrong and what others think is wrong. Again, this is a FREE country with many people with different views, if you want a country where all people agree on right and wrong, try Afghanistan, I hear zealots run that shithole, and you might fit in better there.
@dlaz0109 Good luck, as more and more religious types die off, your chances will too. Right now, a person is someone that has been born(duh), since before birth, a fetus isn't a person, but an extention of one. You'd have a better chance getting masterbation outlawed, since millions of possible babies are killed in that process. LOL
@dlaz0109 Democracy is a horrible form of gov. It allows the majority to trample the rights of the minority. That's why our founders gave us a republic. The German people wanted the jews killed, I guess what they did was ok with you, huh? WE AREN'T IRELAND. Ireland is a religious based country, which allows the Govt. to take children away from their parents based on bullshit. BTW, nobody's stopping you from moving there.
@dlaz0109 Nope, try all you want, but sometimes, you get more than you bargain for. It's funny, our founders didn't want religion intruding on our Govt. Yet here we are, talking about YOUR religion affecting our laws.
@dlaz0109 If I believe plastic surgery is evil, should we outlaw it? I don't like rice, should we make rice illegal? Mind your own business and that's where your part ends. You worry about YOUR vagina and you should be just fine, after all, that's the only VAG you can control, huh?
@dlaz0109 That's good to know, since the catholic church has killed all kinds of people for all kinds of reasons. Right now about half the people in this country are against allowing abortion and the other half is alright with allowing it. Most of the half against it are religious, and some for it are religious. The point is, if you don't like it, don't have one. That's where your part ends.
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mylittlekittens 3 weeks ago
damn i wish that abortion had worked
lousaffire 1 month ago
I'm sorry that Gianna had a rough beginning, but if she ever had a need for a safe abortion, she will not be denied. Prochoice for ever!!
mylittlekittens 2 months ago
@mylittlekittens Wait so you think the total freedom of adults includes the freedom to kill fetuses??????? Where are there rights????????????/
freewilllover 1 month ago
@freewilllover Not all adults can "kill fetuses". But it is the prerogative of the woman that is carrying the pregnancy to discontinue the pregnancy if she feels threatened by being in that condition. If Gianna were to have any health complications from her body weakness, physical impairments, etc. , then no one can force her the continue a complicated pregnancy. Is she married? Is she seeing anybody? None of my business, just wondering if she has a personal life when not touring.
mylittlekittens 1 month ago
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@freewilllover says: Wait so you think the total freedom of adults includes the freedom to kill fetuses??????? Where are there rights?
~~~~~~~~~ They dont have any. How can a fetus use the right to vote, assemble, write a book,...do you even know what "rights" are? Geeeez.
Sueezee1 1 month ago
Dear Lord..to hurt her twice..is painful..But bless this precious girl for forgiving her Mother...God bless her Mom inspite of what she said to her cos i would have to say its her loss again, for not raising such an inspirational and wonderfully moulded by the loving hand of God individual...xoxoxo
shinesmile77 2 months ago
@shinesmile77 Should she be "forgiving" her mother? She should be "thanking" her mother for having sex and conceiving a unique individual.
mylittlekittens 1 month ago
I wonder why her biological mother was angry at her.
piratequeen11 4 months ago
@piratequeen11 THAT WHORE IS NOT A MOTHER SHE ALMOST KILLED HER KID!
bougatza 2 months ago
Did anyone else laugh at the phrase "abortion survivor?" No offense to her story or anything.
Tumblingiscool01 4 months ago
@Tumblingiscool01 It refers to the phrase "holocaust survivor".
darthdrakula 4 months ago
Thanks God that she saved this wonderful woman, this is a true miracle
Rangel316 5 months ago 9
She shouldn't be alive.
jacquot8 6 months ago
'forgive' her mother? for what? if she was dead now she wouldn't have ever known she lived.
MrWaddefak 7 months ago
@MrWaddefak
How can you say that about a living, breathing, thinking and loving person like Gianna? Humanity has grown cold and apathetic toward basic unconditional compassion...
HammerOfPink 7 months ago
HammerOfPink... Who hurt you so much? I am a Christian, but I don't attack your choice to not follow God or even acknowledge His existence. Why disrespect my choice and attack my Lord with your words? Your responses here are not intellectual, but very emotional and angry. I suspect you have been hurt by a "religious" person, perhaps even someone who claims to be a Christian, and I'm sorry for that. But here's the bottom line: God loves you. As you are. No conditions.
danelow33 7 months ago
@danelow33 says: I suspect you have been hurt by a "religious" person,
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The entire world has been.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1
Religion is man made, and therefore corrupt by nature. l only follow Truth.
HammerOfPink 7 months ago
@danelow33
l think you have the wrong person... l do believe in God. l have not been hurt lol. You're probably thinking of beesleeper. xD He was responding to my comments.
HammerOfPink 7 months ago
lmao "abortion survivor" as a term
you religious freaks are fucking hilarious
a zygote is not a person
take a fucking biology class
jesus fucking christ you are fucking stupid
beesleeper 8 months ago
@beesleeper
Gianna Jessen's mother was 7 months pregnant when she tried to abort her. She was not a zygote at all.
Furthermore, a zygote will eventually become a person. Taking away someone's potential is not a righteous thing to do. Nor is it to stand by and watch things like this happen frequently.
Also, please don't take my Lord's name in vain. lt is quite offensive when you use his name like that.
HammerOfPink 8 months ago
@HammerOfPink
Fuck your lord and your religious bullshit. Read a fucking science book. Jesus Fucking Christ, you religious asshole are a goddamn fucking shame to this nation. No gods exist. No unicorns either.
America will never have laws based on your fucking religious bullshit.
beesleeper 8 months ago
@beesleeper
You are a hypocrite. You are so offended if Christians talk to you about God and Jesus (out of love for YOU mind you). Yet you think it's okay to use our Lord's name in such a disrespectful manner? That is the most ignorant thing ever. There are people who love Jesus, and you are being just as offensive by saying that as you'd be offended by a Christian trying to convert you.
I don't believe in religion. l'm a Christian, l follow truth only.
HammerOfPink 8 months ago
@beesleeper
Furthermore, I love reading science books. Christianity is like the only belief system that hasn't been disproven by science. Furthermore, how arrogant can you be to think that we as limited human beings in this vast universe are able to comprehend and understand everything that goes on simply through science? We have a natural curiosity to explore and influence the world around us, but there are some things we can never understand.
HammerOfPink 8 months ago
@beesleeper
And lastly, please use proper manners when debating. I enjoy having philosophical debates, but l can't stand people like you who are always cursing and have little evidence to back yourself up other than "read a science book" and nothing else to do other than to mock me, calling me the shame of a nation etc. You know what they call you? A Troll.
Furthermore, your being quick to anger and get frustrated is only proof that you know the truth, but are afraid to admit it.
HammerOfPink 8 months ago
@HammerOfPink
Why don't you make us a list of the words we can't use.
And the "truth" is, religious people are a fucking burden to the USA. They do nothing but harm.
beesleeper 8 months ago
@beesleeper
There is free speech, anyone can use any words they want.
But if you're going to use such words that are offensive to Christians you're being a hypocrite when you say Christians offend you.
I agree. Religious people are ridiculous sometimes. l am not religious and neither are Christians. We do not follow the corrupt man made rituals and practices, we just follow truth.
Where is your evidence to support that Christians do nothing but harm? Again, you let your anger speak for you
HammerOfPink 8 months ago
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@HammerOfPink says: Where is your evidence to support that Christians do nothing but harm
~~~~~~~~~~~~ read all of the history of christianity!
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@Sueezee1 all the good christianity has done did not need christianity.
MrWaddefak 7 months ago
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@beesleeper says: Why don't you make us a list of the words we can't use.
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LOL, good one!!!
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@HammerOfPink says: please use proper manners when debating. ...don't take my Lord's name in vain.
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LMAO..who in the hell do you think you are? Where did you get this dire need to control other people?
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1
I'm not trying to control other people. Indeed he can say what he wants (freedom of choice/speech) However, l think it's pretty fair to say that him saying "jesus fucking christ you're fucking stupid" to a Christian is rude. lt's rude to call black people nigger, or gay people fag, or to say "Heil Hitler" around Jewish people... and it's rude to use the Lord's name in vain around a Christian. The fact that he knew l was a Christian and did it anyway makes him a dick pretty much...
HammerOfPink 7 months ago
@HammerOfPink says:Taking away someone's potential is not a righteous thing to do.
~~~~~~~~~ According to whose idea of what is and isnt righteous? Yours? Dont think so
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1
Righteousness is not based on my opinion, nor yours, or anyone's. It is based on Truth, which is God. There is a fine line between Truth and Lies, Good and evil. It becomes obvious to you once you are enlightened enough to seek the truth and live by it. l'm not claiming my opinion is right over everyone else's. l don't have an opinion, l follow facts and logic.
HammerOfPink 7 months ago
@HammerOfPink says: Righteousness is not based on my opinion, nor yours, or anyone's
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Then stop telling people what is or isnt righteous.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1
Stop telling people what is or isn't righteous?
So you don't want me to tell the Truth? Would you rather me lie? Would you rather me pretend that abortion is okay like it's no big deal?
Abortion is no different than the holocaust. It cannot be ignored at all, just like the holocaust cannot be denied. It is a serious issue that must be dealt with.
HammerOfPink 7 months ago
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@HammerOfPink says: So you don't want me to tell the Truth?
~~~~~~~~~~~ prove the bible is truth...now, goodbye, I know I wont be seeing a rational answer to that, and im not in the mood for bull poop.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@HammerOfPink says: bortion is no different than the holocaust.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Spoken like a true psychopath who equates living breathing jewish human BEINGS, to a non existant (in the realm of personhood) entity with the consciousness level of god damned earthworm. Youre opinion of Jews is disturbing.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1
What do you mean nonexistent entities? When an egg is fertilized it is the beginning of life. Whether it be zygote, embryo, fetus, baby, child, adolescent, adult, whatever, it is still human.
I don't think of Jews as earthworms. l love the Jews, their race was chosen by God to set an example for the rest of the Gentiles.
HammerOfPink 7 months ago
@Sueezee1
It is the same as the holocaust in the sense that the way people are feeling about it. Innocence lives are being exterminated everyday. The Nazis didn't view Jews or any other prisoners as people. They were "less than human" Abortionists don't view fetuses as people either... just masses of cells. Furthermore, Josef Mengele, the Nazi physician who performed horrific experiments on people like lab mice, pioneered abortion techniques which are now legal within the United States.
HammerOfPink 7 months ago
@Sueezee1 Uhb you support abortion till birth at which point the fetuses are as intelegent as babies, by your logic infancide is oke, also Jews aren`t concious whrn asleep!!!!!!!!!
freewilllover 1 month ago
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@freewilllover says: you support abortion till birth at which point the fetuses are as intelegent as babies, by your logic infancide is oke,
~~~~~~~~~~~ Abortion is NOT about intelliegence...its about not wanting said child. Its illegal to kill infants. Do you ever have have a valid point,. or do you just like typing?
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@HammerOfPink says: It is a serious issue that must be dealt with.
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It HAS been dealt with, thats why abortion , excpet for a few years of governemnt idiocy, has been legal since this countries beginning. You dont seem to have one single damned thing that will work for you, do you? Its why we won and you cant./
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1
l am not competing in a contest. l am simply following the Truth. I follow a divine Truth, whereas you follow a man made fantasy. And yes, many people agree with you, but that doesn't make it right. Same as just because most people thought the earth was flat, didn't mean it was flat. The fact that it is legal is the general public acknowledging that it is okay. Which I will never do. It's a sign that our country as a whole is turning toward and embracing evil. l will never support it.
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@HammerOfPink says: Would you rather me pretend that abortion is okay
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LOl, "OK" according to who? YOU? Sorry, sweetie youre not the judge of ANYTHING for the people of the world. Its why youre a loser in this battle. (smile). 40 MILLIOn abortions worldwide EACH year says its MORE than "ok"!! Why dont you say something valid, that I cant make you look foolish over? Oh ya, you dont have anything
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1
Once again, l'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. l am simply following the Truth. lt doesn't matter if more people believe something because they're blind. It doesn't make it ok. Same as slavery back in the day was viewed as "okay." But is it morally? Absolutely not!
40 million abortions doesn't make it okay. An army of billions of people living in selfish fantasy cannot come against our one God, who lives in Truth. Once again, this isn't my opinion. lt is simply the truth.
HammerOfPink 7 months ago
@Sueezee1 Oke you see you use the law again which also allowed the holocaust and fetuses are alos human biengs all they are is in the first few months uncious lik you are when asleep, can Ikill you in your sleep trol!!!!!!!!!
freewilllover 1 month ago
@freewilllover says: fetuses are alos human biengs all they are is in the first few months uncious lik you are when asleep, can Ikill you in your sleep trol!
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No, its illegal to kill human beings. Thats why killing embryos is legal. (smile). You just cant seem to win this, can you? Knowledge is power, and you have neither. Its why IM the winner here/
Sueezee1 1 month ago
The law sais they aren`t if the law decides chickens are human are they? You base your arguments on the idea the law is perfect in which case the law ios oke, the law can say blue is green uit isn`t, fetuseds are factually human beings thwey have the cells which make human which is the scientific definition, fetuses are as much humans as Jews in Germany I gues you support the holocaust, unles you will again fall back on concious which later fetusrs do have and also which sciewnticficily is wrong
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover says: he law sais they aren`t if the law decides chickens are human are they?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ how can a chilcken be of the human species? you clearly fall too short in your capacity for principle-level and abstract thinking to debate this matter
Sueezee1 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover says: fetuses are as much humans as Jews in Germany
~~~~~~~~~~~ Of course they are. What other species could a HUMAN fetus and a HUMAN Jew be?? Hahahahahaha, this gets funnier by the minute!!
Sueezee1 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover says: sciewnticficily is wrong
~~~~~~~~~ Biology/ Science has NOTHING to do with the issue of legal abortion. Its about rights of people,the law, the 5th, 9th, 13th, & 14th Amend.,The Universal Dec. of Human Rights, The Supreme Court, social custom & necessity, Roe v. Wade & NO science . Im done with you. Anyone who thinks chickens could be made human isnt smart enough to speak to ME!!
Sueezee1 4 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 Well the goverment declares that those that are scientificly human arent!!!!!
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 .. and combine this with the law but since either argument works on it`s own they can`t work together either. Aklso some goverments decided th mentally disabled weren`t humans so weren`t they?
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover says:some goverments decided th mentally disabled weren`t humans so weren`t they?
~~~~~~~~~ Whose government?
Sueezee1 4 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 The Nazis!!!
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover Hey Freewill, aren't you glad that Hitler's mother gave birth to him? I bet Adolph was a real cutie!
mylittlekittens 4 weeks ago
@mylittlekittens By that logic you can kill anyone cause they can become criminals!!!!
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover Only if it is the woman herself that chooses too! Are you glad that Hitler's mother gave birth? Do you think he was born with the mustache?
mylittlekittens 4 weeks ago
@mylittlekittens Wait why should parents be allowed to kill their children, as a parent you don`t own your child, yes I am glad Hitler was born because watch Terminator 2, you can`t kill someone before they do something evil, and by again this logic you could also kill children cause they might become evil!!!!
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover Maybe you can make Hitler's birthday a National Holiday for prolifers!
Parents (fathers and mothers) can never kill their children, but women cannot be forced to birth either. And women that are happy to give birth do not have to have an abortion. It's pretty logical!
mylittlekittens 4 weeks ago
@mylittlekittens Oke you are just trolling we support the right to live and you say that can allow evil well yes evilis a part of life, by your logic everybody should be killed and the death of children with cancer should be celebrated cause they can become evil!!!!!
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover Wow. That's pretty strange thinking. Most children with cancer 1. are sickly with chronic illness 2. some get cured with treatments 3 Many die at a young age
It really has no impact on "evil." I'm sure their parents enjoy making their little ones happy the best they can even though they are suffering. Do you think about what you say or do you just whip out these comments as soon as the idea pops into your head?
mylittlekittens 4 weeks ago
@mylittlekittens The point is some kids die which you should support cause they could become like Hitler if abortion is oke to prevent Hitler so is killing in general!!!!!!!!!!
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover You really do not have a point. Your solutions are stupid. I know little about Hitler's mother, however, many women do regret birthing criminals.
mylittlekittens 4 weeks ago
@mylittlekittens But again that would be a reason not to create any new children but for that matter to kill others.
You can`t kill someonw for something they haven`t done yet and might never do!
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
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@freewilllover says: by your logic everybody should be killed and the death of children with cancer should be celebrated cause they can become evil!!!!!
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hahahaha.omg, youre a nutcase!!!
Sueezee1 1 day ago
@mylittlekittens Why can`t women be forced to give birth??? That is the result of not murdering and you don`t have the rigt to murder so have to give birth!!!!
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover says, "Why can't women be forced to give birth?"
Because, currently our government does not have the means to chain pregnant women into dungeons until they are brought to term. Perhaps, one day, after our National Debt is paid off, they will form a department that has employees that will detect pregnancy in women that are in public places and keep track of them until term. If their pregnancy ends, they will have to be interrogated and perhaps incarcerated.
mylittlekittens 4 weeks ago
@mylittlekittens Or maybe just ensure there is no abortion seem s simple enough!!!!!!!
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
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@freewilllover says: Why can`t women be forced to give birth??
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Why can`t women be forced to have abortions, and thats exactly what will happen if the gov takes over and controls our reproduction. Dont be stupid enough to think the gov will be JUST prolife. It will NEVER end there. The poor will be made to abort, how ya like that freedom??
Sueezee1 1 day ago
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@freewilllover says: Oke you see you use the law again which also allowed the holocaust
~~~~~~~~~~ Yes, it DID, so whats your damned point now?
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@HammerOfPink says: please don't take my Lord's name in vain. lt is quite offensive when you use his name like that.
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if you dont like.....leave. Just because its "your" lord, dosent mean you can control others, even though bible thumpers think they can.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1
Oh can't control others. l just find it very hypocritical that when l talk about God people get super offended, and yet they are totally okay with going around using his name in vain and all that stuff. People have absolutely no manners and then they get annoyed when Christians talk to them? l'm not controlling other people, l just think they're should have respect. Their lack of respect demonstrates the amount of honor they have in themselves as people. None.
HammerOfPink 7 months ago
@HammerOfPink says: l just find it very hypocritical that when l talk about God people get super offended,
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" Offend" my ass... you play the god card because you have NOTHING intelliegent and/or educated to add. God is your cop out...your get out of jail free card because you cant fight the perfection of aboriton laws any other way, and youre too ignorant to know your godly ideas dont mean shit in the realm of legal abortion.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1
And so l'm just curious... l've gathered that you are Pro-choice and support a woman's right to get an abortion if she wants to. What is your opinion on Gianna Jessen? Do you consider her a person or a blob? Do you think she deserves her rights, or do you think that she should have had them taken away from her before birth (so much for womens' rights in my opinion) After she was born alive, do you think she should have been left to die? What are your thoughts on her exactly?
HammerOfPink 7 months ago
@HammerOfPink says: What is your opinion on Gianna Jessen?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ She is is the darling of the neocon fascists, it's unfortunate this fetus survived to do such evil.. Her, being alive, is no more special than ANY other miracle of birth, & if you think so, youre a psychopath
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1
Seeing that you hate her for surviving an abortion, would you support her immediate capture and execution? Do you still view her as "less than human" as you do fetuses, even though now she is an outspoken woman with an identity and a free conscience? l'm just curious, that's all. That's my question: would you support her immediate execution and do you consider her a human.
HammerOfPink 7 months ago
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@HammerOfPink says: Do you consider her a person or a blob?
~~~~~~~~~~ She hes BORN so she IS a person and we are all blobs...blobs of tissue...so are you. Why does that bother you so much?? Ohhhhh, thats right, it dosent bother you at all, its just a weak, useless probirth argument you've chosen to use. Thats why abortion is legal. You dont have squat.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1 Oke what does bieng born mater, will you ever stop trolling??????
freewilllover 1 month ago
@freewilllover says:Oke what does bieng born mater,
~~~~~~~~~~ Why do you have to ask a prochoicers about the "whys" of abortion? When you get educated, you wont have to do that, and then you will know the truth and you STILL wont use it, so why bother?
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 Ah so there is a truth but oyu refrain from telling it!!!!!
freewilllover 1 month ago
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@freewilllover says: so there is a truth but oyu refrain from telling it!!!!!
~~~~~~~~~ The truth made aboritn LEGAL. Until your words make it illegal, they truth in lagality wins.
Sueezee1 4 weeks ago
You don`t win cause yoy seem to support the idea that the goverment decides facts, no facts are facts regardless of thew law, and you cotinue to ignore how this compares toi the holocaust which is the missing piece, cause you conviniently refrain from answering top the comment that intelegence has nothing to do with being part of a species cause being part of a species is having thw cells upu ignore science in the favour of what you see as human intelegence whic can justisfy infabcide..
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover says: you cotinue to ignore how this compares toi the holocaust
~~~~~~~~~ how dare you think that the living breathing, loved, loving Jews were no different than an unknown enitity with no consciousnesss. Youre hate of the Jews is a showing. You should be s ashamed.
Sueezee1 4 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 Uh again you asee youi ignore how late term fetuses are concious alos again both are humans and btw Jews aren`t concious when asleep so woulod had been oke had Hitler killed Jews in their lseep???
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover says: You don`t win
~~~~~~~~ Abortion is legal... "we" won many years ago. (smile)
Sueezee1 4 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 It ain`t legal everyhwere and many doctors got murdered, smile!!!!
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover says: you cotinue to ignore how this compares toi the holocaus
~~~~~~~~~~ Thats because only a psychopath can equate a Jew with a non exsistant entity. But, keep thinking that way, the dumber you are, the better for us. Go for it, dumbass..lol
Sueezee1 4 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 A seven moth fetus is concious and feeling how nonexist, but more to the point both are humans rember????
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@HammerOfPink says: Do you think she deserves her rights,
~~~~~~~~~~~ ANYone who is born deserves rights. God, debating you like debating a 3 rd grader. Do you have NOTHING intelligent to say??
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1
"Anyone who is born deserves rights."
So you agree that if a baby is born alive by accident (like Gianna) then it should be illegal for a doctor to leave them to die. At least you agree with me on that.
Btw, how can you ever say it's unfortunate that someone survived? Your lack of compassion toward other members of the human race makes me very sick to my stomach. =( Why are you filled with so much hate?
HammerOfPink 7 months ago 4
@Sueezee1 your in idiot. God loves you but your an idot.
hottyyhips 6 months ago
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@hottyyhips says: your in idiot. God loves you but your an idot.
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When I hear loving christian talk like that, I want to run to it.. (LMFAO)
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 Oke why do only born huamn have rights, isn`t discriminating the right to live the same as what the Nazis did is it because the babies are dependent meaning weak???????
freewilllover 1 month ago
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@freewilllover says: isn`t discriminating the right to live the same as what the Nazis did is it because the babies are dependent meaning weak
~~~~~~~~~~ WHAT?? You actaully think the halocaust and abortion were/ are done because one is weak? Humans do NOT have rights...human beings do... When are you going to grasp this simple concept?
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@HammerOfPink says: or do you think that she should have had them taken away from her before birth (
~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahahah A fetus has NO rioghts before birth...ok, im done, youre tooooo ignorant to be talking to me...bye
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1
So a fetus is not a human being, is what you're saying. What is it? An alien? Seriously. Fetuses can move. Can feel pain. They even have dreams. That is definitely human. Human's can't arise from nothing. Even fertilized ovum comes from 2 humans.
The fact that you are so hasty to stop having this conversation shows that you know you are wrong but are afraid to admit it. Luke 21:15 -"I will give you words and wisdom which none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict."
HammerOfPink 7 months ago 5
@Sueezee1
Different people react differently when coming against the True word of Christ. Some change the subject. Some become angry. They will not debate diplomatically and intelligently because they cannot come against the truth, and their only choice is to get angry and be evil. You have no where to turn because you cannot come against the truth with words of your own. That is why you say "You're too ignorant to talk to me bye"
l hope you will someday realize how valuable life is.
HammerOfPink 7 months ago
@Sueezee1 Oke why to humans in an early stage have no rights?????????????
freewilllover 1 month ago
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@freewilllover says: Oke why to humans in an early stage have no rights???????
~~~~~~~~~~~ Humans have NO right! Do you know "human" is ONLY a word that denotes the catagory of our species???? It means NOTHING else. How can you kill a species???
Sueezee1 1 month ago
I guarantee you if there was no one that was able to adopt, there probably wouldn't be as big as a controversy, however as sad as infertility is, many of those people say and think and feel sorry for themselves and find it very unfair that a woman was able to conceive and then chooses abortion when they could have gotten that baby and raised them,it's selfish on their part, by no means do I think a poor little baby should suffer an abortion nor do I think they should suffer adoption either!
raffynjenny 9 months ago
Ok how about this, No abortions, and No adoptions either, all women get to keep their offspring as God intended, how about that for pro-life, TRUST me there is an agenda behind the anti-abortion movement and that is for the INFERTILE couples to get their grubby hands on a fresh womb baby, I personally don't believe in abortion I support family preservation, so all that money that gos to adopters when they adopt should go to the mother and her child so they can stay together
raffynjenny 9 months ago
Notice how he faded out completely when asked to provide proof of his claims?
Churchies tend to talk a big game, but soon decide it's best to move along.
;)
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
Oh yeah, well "See, some people worry about their own life and others insist on butting into the private lives of others. This entire debatte could end with you just minding your own fucking business. Fuck a mule for all I care, dipshit, just mind your own business. If this were to get to a point where you butted into my private life, no god could save you." seems like a pretty loud cry of 'I'm losing' to me! Don't put yourself into the bracket of a debater, you're really not.
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ I don't lose. Even to those who claim victory and life, PRE-MATURELY
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Notice that wierd word, in the middle of pre-MATUREely. Mature, look up what that one means. It has something to do with getting to the point where development is no longer needed. That could mean in life, a fetus, reaching the point it can SURVIVE on it's own, or simply the point where life is POSSIBLE at all. The reason you can't show me PROOF to back up your claim is because there isn't any ABSOLUTE proof of when life begins, it's simple a best guess. And you know it.
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
As for the flag, cliche really isn't the right word for that sentence. You could say 'rule', but cliche doesn't really fit that well. To be honest, when confronted by the likes of you, who are lacking in logic and intelligence, I just take whatever you say and go in the opposite direction with it. Therefore, when you say 'it doesn't help your image', it makes me happy because I would not want to be something that would suit you, because that entiry would correlate with stupidity.
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
How did we get onto religion (when this is not a religious discussion) and Confederate flags (when this is not a historical discussion)? Is this a common tactic that you employ? Make unrelated statements, seeing as you can't face up to the fact that all of your points have been answered to the point where you cannot respond intelligently, in attempt to shift the burden of stupidity from yourself? I see you have done that above.
Ad homs are the last resort of the stupid. Classic.
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Of course it is, the majority of so-called pro-lifers are religious, including you. So don't act as though religion has no part in this. Your need to avoid facing reality shows more about your integrity than your faith. I knew you were a christian before seeing your channel, why, because your arguement is the exact same as every other churchie that wants to do what they think their god wants. Wierd thing, is that you worship someone that's proud to have killed the innocent.
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@Rushtrdamus
So because the majority of pro-lifers are religious, that means pro-life arguments all have a religious element? The only way you could convincingly argue that is if you could prove that 100% of pro-lifers are religious (and I know you can't do that), because otherwise in the sphere of reality (which we are in), your statement is erroneous. None of my arguments included 'what God wants', they included scientific fact, which you are YET to refute.
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ hahahaha DUH, you retard. We are what we are, and you claim first to be a christian. Are you going to now claim that your faith doesn't affect your beliefs? I don't know many LIVING people that would buy that crap. Who ever said 100% were religious? I said MOST, and that is a FACT. Along with the fact that MOST abortions are performed on women that claim to be religious also.
I don't need to refute YOUR opinion, I have a valid one as well, prove mine wrong. You can't.
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@Rushtrdamus
Do I have to spell the logic of my assertion re: majority pro-life = religious for you?! Ah I suppose I do, you have not yet shown yourself as having much of an affinity for logic. OK here goes.
1. You state the majority of pro-lifers are religious. (lets say 85%)
2. Therefore, the minority of pro-lifers are NOT religious. (obviously 15%, to make that 100% of pro-lifers)
3. Therefore, there are pro-life people who do NOT hold religious arguments as being valid.
.... (cont) ....
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ
.... (cont) ....
4. Therefore, there are arguments for the pro-life position that do not depend on religious conviction. They are the ones I have been using. The fact that you don't HAVE to be religious to be pro-life (clearly the fact you can't prove that 100% of pro-life people are religious is evidence of this fact) means there are non-religiously based arguments.
LOL you know you're talking to a sad case when you see a response like your two liner!
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Dude, your "facts" are opinions, and can't be PROVEN. Conception is simply ONE stage in the pregnancy. In fact, without implantation, life isn't possible, yet you claim that life has already begun. 30% of all fetus' are never born, yet you're ready to print birth anouncements.
Correct, from NON-religious PEOPLE, which you are not. I nailed you down from the word go. Face it, YOU claim to be a christian above all else. How can you now claim that your faith isn't invoved?
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ as well as religious people who are pro-choice, most likey 85%. See, some people worry about their own life and others insist on butting into the private lives of others. This entire debatte could end with you just minding your own fucking business. Fuck a mule for all I care, dipshit, just mind your own business. If this were to get to a point where you butted into my private life, no god could save you.
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@Rushtrdamus
"This entire debatte (*typo*) could end with you just minding your own fu***** business. Fu** a mule for all I care, dips***, just mind your own business."
Is it just me or are you getting annoyed that you can't respond to my arguments and you are looking for a way out of the discussion?
Faith is involved, but not every argument has to be based on faith you simpleton! How can you not grasp this?! The only reason you 'nailed me down' was because it is correct that MOST people who...
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
... are pro-life are religious. It's not exactly an inspirational move that you 'nailed me down' as a 'churchie', as you call it. I have told you what the characteristics of 'life' is, and a fetus displays all of them. Your argument that because the egg does not implant means that it never was alive in the first place, is again an absurd statement. death happens all the time. Why can death not occur within the womb?
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Sorry dude, but a pregnancy doesn't even start until implantation. A fertilized egg is nothing more than POSSIBLE life. That is a fact. we all know that even at 20 weeks gestation, a fetus cannot live on it's own outside the womb. PERIOD. Science has allowed us to help a fetus live, but it isn't alive on it's own. Life begins when it is possible for a fetus to LIVE on it's own, until then, it's just POSSIBLE life.
Common sense.
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@Rushtrdamus
It's common sense to suggest that a fetus has to be able to live on its own to be considered alive? I thought you said sentience was the prerequisite? You're so confusing!! ANOTHER logical fallacy! so if science is necessary to keep a fetus alive, the fetus is not alive, but if a mother feeding her completely dependent child is necessary to keep a child alive, then it can be considered alive? clearly there is more to the definition of life than 'can the fetus live by itself'?
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Once LIVING on it's own in the world, sentience is a reality. Example: Tell me what you remember about your gestation? Any memories at all? OK, now tell about your birth? Do you remember it? No? Hmmm? Why is it that nobody ever claims to be able to remember their own birth? Wierd, almost like our minds weren't recording any of life's experiences yet.
SENTIENCE
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@Rushtrdamus
So because I cannot (thankfully) remember by first breastfeed (or, again thankfully, any other of my breastfeeds for that matter) I was not sentient and therefore not alive? you have changed your definition of life from the fetus being alive outside the womb with no help (erroneous) to the belief that one must be sentient to be alive. chop and change a bit more if you like!
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ IDK, you tell me. The fact is that NOBODY has claimed to remember that far back in life. There is a scientific reason, I'm sure. Question is, why? Some dipshits say that we get our soul at first breathe, some say at quickening, some say the soul doesn't exist. But one thing is sure, anyone claiming to know exactly when life begins is lying, cause nobody KNOWS exactly when it does.
But I'm SURE you must be correct.(sarc)
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Yeah, that's why I keep replying(how dumb are you?) DUDE! I called you as a christian, and you turned out to be a General Lee, bible humper. What's worse, is that I asked you and you tried to hide it.
What kind of person tries to hide who they claim to be? Either you thought it would hurt your case, or are ashamed of it. I'm guessing you knew it would hurt your case. I mean hell, if I claimed that gdo was a pedifile aa an athiest, shouldn't that hurt my claim? Yes.
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@Rushtrdamus
Yeah, but you keep replying with the same circular point again and again and again. You're bringing nothing fresh. You are bringing up sentience non stop even though your very standpoint on that is being challenged by British Medical specialists, you bring up 'aww why didn't you tell me you are Christian? why are you trying to hide it?' again and again when i have already covered that. if i was hiding it, i would not have the channel i have. it's one click away. ur a waste of time.
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ
Put simply, you're making this discussion stale. I suspect this is your favourite tactic (you did it with the last person). I usually have a much better, faster paced discussion with people who understand science and logic (at least i don't have to hold their hand through explaining logical points as i do with you), but frankly it has been lacking whilst in diatribe with you. Sorry bro/sis, you're just not bright enough.
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
ps, i'd love to see what you'd do if i 'butted into your private life'! lol! no god could save me? is that a threat? the last resort of the intelectually challenged... violence.
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Nope, no threat, a warning. I'm pro-life, MINE. Stay out of my personal life and you can keep your intact.
seriously, learn to mind your own business. I have no idea why churchies insist on worrying about shit they have no right to get involved with. It's kinda sick.
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Aha, the (i'm getting bored, tactic) that so many inferior debators use to run.
I've never seen that one before. Tell you what, you simply provide a single SCIENTIFIC, un-biased source that claims that life ABSOLUTELY begins at conception, and I'll gladly admit you are right.
Bwahahahahahahaha See you next century.
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Sorry, I ASKED you and all you had to do was answer. Why you didn't, only you can tell, but honesty was lacking for some reason. If you eliminate all other possibilities, what remains is the answer. You had no reason NOT to answer, but you chose not to. Only you know why. If you'd asked me, I'd have answered. PROUDLY!
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@Rushtrdamus
I had as much reason not to answer about something irrelevant to the discussion as you would if I asked you who your favourite rugby player is. It's a distraction from the point at hand, and pardon me if this was not your intention, but attempting to distract people in debates is a common, active strategy for people who are stumped by your argument. I wanted to press you on the issues because you were and are on the back foot. You tried to distract me
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ IRRELEVANT, or condemning? You knew that it would taint your claims, that's why you didn't answer. You simply took the 5th.
Yeah, IF the subject was Aussie sports, you cannot deny that there are religious issues involved, especially being a confederate christian. No distraction, simply wanting ALL facts involved out in the open, unlike you. IF you didn't think it mattered, you'd have just answered, but you didn't, highlighting your dis-honesty. Your argument has no merit.
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@Rushtrdamus
It was irrelevant. Remember that logical situation that I almost had to literally had to take your hand and walk you through? the implication of that is that you do not have to be religious to argue from a pro-life standpoint.
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ YOU SAY. Thank goodness YOU don't get the final word, huh? Look, I have no "god" telling me what I should believe or do, you do. Somehow, you expect me to believe that you can somehow put aside your CSA christianhood and think without bias. I say NO FUCKING WAY. That would be like me giving my opinon on which religion is the true one, my bias doesn't allow me to do that, especially since all churchies are nuttier than squirrel shit. Sorry pal, that dog don't hunt.
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ xDDD you just destroyed that guy in a debate
idonotwastenames 9 months ago
@idonotwastenames
lol thanks. In the end it kind of petered out into pointlessness. But that's what usually happens when trolls get their backsides handed to them on a topic that THEY start arguing about! xD
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Hahahahaha I love it when churchies masterbate to the thought that they could even have a chance at a debate involving facts and knowledge.
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Yeah, the one in this debate that hasn't followed almost every other moron into the realm of, is the one that's an idiot. You keep telling yourself that mythology and lost, failed cultures are correct, please do.
I don't give a flying fuck what you do, in fact I enjoy having douchebags like you to point to as an example of what not to do. It's wierd, when asked about my beliefs, I LOVE letting people know, yet you seemed to almost me embarassed, why?
Rushtrdamus 9 months ago
@Rushtrdamus
Yeah that first sentence needs revision. Good well at least you're getting your little kicks whilst trolling into arguments that you clearly have nothing intelligent to say in. I see your type everywhere. You ask a question, get it answered to such an extent that you can't reply, then move on to ask another (sometimes irrelevant) question, to which you also can't reply. Repeat, repeat. I'm not embarassed. If I was I would have a page like yours that contains almost no information!!
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
"I am a Christian", she tells her mom. This is powerful and moving. Gianna started her life in adversity....very inspiring. I wish all pro-choicers would really think about their opinion. Opinion is contingent on experience. God Bless you Gianna!!!
Spadadiforza 9 months ago
My official stance is;
If you are a parent, you have an OBLIGATION to be responsible and to be there to provide everything that child needs. This is true for men and women.
However, so long as women have the right to KILL THAT CHILD and avoid their responsibilities, then men should be allowed to bail on fatherhood. I don't encourage this, but I hold NO ILL WILL to those that do.
If you have a problem with that, then join the MRM and help eradicate the KILLING of BABIES (aka abortion) FOREVER!
Razlo5000 9 months ago
I MET GIANNA AT A RELIGOUS CONVENTION ABOUT 17 YEARS AGO. HER STORY TOUCHED MY HEART TREAMENDOUSLY. A FEW MONTHS LATER AT 16 I FOUND OUT THAT I WAS PREGNANT. AT 17 I GAVE BIRTH TO MY OLDEST SON WHO PASSED AWAY JUST A FEW HOURS AFTER HE WAS BORN. ALL THESE YEARS I HAVE WONDERED HOW A MOTHER -TO- BE COULD POSSIBLY EVEN CONSIDER AN ABORTION. MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS HAVE MANY TIMES BEEN WITH GIANNA. GIANNA I PRAISE YOU FOR THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE LORD AND ARE CONTINUING TO DO! GOD BLESS YOU!
shashakelley 10 months ago
LOL
My home page has hunting and guns as interests.
Your home page has baby dancing in a diaper as your interests!!
ENOUGH SAID !
Your either a fag a sicko or both!
You started the " dick sucking shit"
And now I see you like dancing babies enough to save a video about them!
So with that ....FUCK OFF you Sick PATHETIC,,,ASS-HOLE.
I'm done playing your baby games.
ekajeht 10 months ago
@dlaz0109 I'm also aware that some states have laws that forbid people from walking their horse on sunday unless it's wearing boots, what's your point? You provide me with evidence that can be used to argue AGAINST your claim that life begins at conception, by stating that even the states can't agree. Why do you think some are claiming personhood begins at 20 weeks and some earlier? Why. because we can't agree on it. What did Blackmun say? "if personhood is ever established" Good luck LOL
Rushtrdamus 10 months ago
@dlaz0109 Don't be retarded. I live in the greatest nation on earth, with the greatest constitution on earth. Only a backward, turd world country would give the sames rights to both the LIVING and NON-LIVING. Do you want a tree to have the same rights as a LIVING human? What about a rat, should rats have the same rights LIVING humans have? I doubt you're that ignorant. Maybe.
Rushtrdamus 10 months ago
This woman is fetus that escaped abortion. EW, someone kill it. It's trying to save the other fetuses so they can take over. I don't trust fetuses.
IndividualParties 10 months ago
@inanimatefury says: God says that HE has formed us in the womb
What God has joined, let no man destroy...
MMark354 10 months ago
@MMark354 what god has joined let no man destroy
~~~~~~~~~~~
That was soley in regards to marraige and the statement, "let no man destroy"..is refering to those who commit adulty with a married person. . Why do all of you bible thumpers LIE IN THE IN NAME OF GOD? If "his" rules are too hard for you to follow...why bother?
Sueezee1 10 months ago
Too bad abortion wasnt successful
martyaus2905 10 months ago 2
@Sueezee1 The fact is that my statements aren't based off of my opinions...The opinions that I have are not formed because of what makes ME happy... They are the principles that are taught in the Bible. God says that HE has formed us in the womb, and WE do not have the authority to take the life that He gave. You being the educated person you are "knew that" I'm sure.
inanimatefury 10 months ago
@inanimatefury says: statements arent my opinions/ principles that are taught in the bible
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Where in the bible does it say a fetus deserve a chance at life, AND why do you people always play the God card when you know it means nothing in our laws?
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@inanimatefury says: God says that HE has formed us in the womb,
~~~~~~~~~~~ That has absolutely NO connection with your statement that fetuses deserve a chance at life, nor does it insinuate ANYtihng regarding abortion. Youre a liar in the name of God.
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@inanimatefury says do not have authority to take a life he gave
~~~~~~~~~~ Prove that includes fetuses. You cant... Youre still LYING IN THE NAME OF GOD. is your desire to end abortion so strong that will put words in your Gods mouth just to help yourself? if you cant follow his simple rules, why do you even bother?
Sueezee1 10 months ago
Is this realy a true storey?
MrsChooseChoice 10 months ago
@dlaz0109 El Salvidore= third world. Nicaraugua=third world. BTW, abortion is still happening, just in back rooms without any real medical care. Congrats, now women will die as well.
First, let's be honest. 83% SAY they're a member of a religion, we both know that SAYING you belong to something is far different than actually participating. When I joined the Army, I said I was Catholic to avoid duty on sundays. The truth is that around 40% actually attend church regularly.
Rushtrdamus 10 months ago
@dlaz0109 hahahahaha Good luck with that. Right now is as conservative as this nation has been in decades and there's no way in hell your side can get 3/4 of the states to outlaw something that half the country wants left alone. I hate to tell you, but taking away a woman's right to chose will ALWAYS be a question of constitutionality.
Rushtrdamus 10 months ago
@Rushtrdamus So you have something against conservative values?
davidandAim 10 months ago
@davidandAim Only if YOUR conservatives values are imposed on others with out THEIR permission. You have a right to whatever religion you want, just as I have a right NOT to worship. Yes, bad parenting, my mother FORCED me to attend CCD.(lucky my priest didn't like little boys) That is akin to forcing your child to attend any cult. BTW, are you referring to Jimmy Swaggert's values or Jim Baker's? Mark Sanford's? LOL
Rushtrdamus 10 months ago
@dlaz0109 Wrong, TO YOU. I believe religions are wrong, shall we outlaw them? You seem to have a problem with being able to separate what YOU think is wrong and what others think is wrong. Again, this is a FREE country with many people with different views, if you want a country where all people agree on right and wrong, try Afghanistan, I hear zealots run that shithole, and you might fit in better there.
Rushtrdamus 10 months ago
@dlaz0109 Good luck, as more and more religious types die off, your chances will too. Right now, a person is someone that has been born(duh), since before birth, a fetus isn't a person, but an extention of one. You'd have a better chance getting masterbation outlawed, since millions of possible babies are killed in that process. LOL
Rushtrdamus 10 months ago
@Rushtrdamus Discriminating against anyone who has a religious right? You must have had a lousy upbringing. Bad parenting I guess huh?
davidandAim 10 months ago
@dlaz0109 Democracy is a horrible form of gov. It allows the majority to trample the rights of the minority. That's why our founders gave us a republic. The German people wanted the jews killed, I guess what they did was ok with you, huh? WE AREN'T IRELAND. Ireland is a religious based country, which allows the Govt. to take children away from their parents based on bullshit. BTW, nobody's stopping you from moving there.
Rushtrdamus 10 months ago
@dlaz0109 Nope, try all you want, but sometimes, you get more than you bargain for. It's funny, our founders didn't want religion intruding on our Govt. Yet here we are, talking about YOUR religion affecting our laws.
Rushtrdamus 10 months ago
@dlaz0109 If I believe plastic surgery is evil, should we outlaw it? I don't like rice, should we make rice illegal? Mind your own business and that's where your part ends. You worry about YOUR vagina and you should be just fine, after all, that's the only VAG you can control, huh?
Rushtrdamus 10 months ago
@dlaz0109 That's good to know, since the catholic church has killed all kinds of people for all kinds of reasons. Right now about half the people in this country are against allowing abortion and the other half is alright with allowing it. Most of the half against it are religious, and some for it are religious. The point is, if you don't like it, don't have one. That's where your part ends.
Rushtrdamus 10 months ago