man, we are losing freedom. college students are adults who should be free to listen to different views and opinions. the media are puppets controlled by the elite. the only thing they can't control yet is the internet. hope you vote for the only freedom candidate on the ballot who doesn't care to speak his mind whether it is politically correct or not..RON PAUL!
The first question that needs to be asked: Was this guy tenured? If not, he has to keep his mouth shut, otherwise he runs the risk of getting fired. It sucks, but that's the way the way the academic world works. If he wanted to change that, he should waited until he obtained (you guessed it!): TENURE!
It wasn't about his ideas. I heard firsthand a lot of students were uncomfortable with their professors pretending to kill them all with a marker right after a school shooting happened. But oh no, our little hick Catholic school must not accept your grand ideas!
This has nothing to do with a "a little hick Catholic school" accepting my grand ideas. Without tenure this professor is like a very slightly higher breed of T.A. - susceptible to the slightest whim of the administration. Sorry, but if I pulled a similar stunt with the undergrads I taught, I'd expect to be subject to the same scrutiny. It sucks, but such is life without tenure.
Professor, its not your fault. If you had taught at a pubic college instead of private, your teachings and freedom of speech would be kept secure and away from politics. That college decision to fire you was wrong! They need a recheck on their education merit.
Not always but most of the time, you find that kind of behavior in public schools too about gun control, anti-abortion, and religion. It really depends if the school is liberal or conservative
So much for the free market of ideas on college campus. Contray to AhYaOK, professors should give thier opinions. Professors devote years of study to a given subject therefore thier opinions should and do carry more weight than some students feelings. Guns are an object. They have no free will to simply jump in to someone's hand and fire. If one is concerned about violence then look at what causes violence within a given society (poverty, mental illness, etc.)
I'm sorry you lost your job; you're not alone by any means. It happens to the best of us. However, I don't think it's the role of a teacher to give their political views or opinions to the students, even if it's in the context of what you're teaching. A teacher's job is to teach students a particular subject; not to give personal opinions.
It's not an issue of guncrile, it's an issue of the people carrying these weapons. You can't control people, you can't control guns. Anyway, I'll leave you idiots here to debate on the human factor while I move onto the next vid.
Lgilsig, it is only a crime to impersonate an officer of the government if they are "pretending to act under the authority of the government." Just spouting shit over the net isn't illegal.
Stalkgalizee, You may be correct, but I thought it was now illegal under the new "Stolen Honor" law congress recently passed. While "pulling a jetter" may not be illegal, it is certainly beneath contempt.
Jetter, you were a fighter pilot who does not recall the departure drill for his aircraft, or even knew the phrase "to depart". You are a fraud trying to pass himself off as an military officer. You are no better that those losers who show up to military funerals in uniforms they bought on Ebay. You are a disgrace. Please go back under your rock.
Jetter, did you know that impersonating a military officer is a Federal felony? (US Title 18, I think)Jetter, every pilot practices recovery from spins. How else would they be able to recover from a spin if they got into one? Now that you have established your credentials as a liar, what else would you like to talk about? Want to talk about your years as a fashion model?
Jetter, did you know that impersonating a military officer is a Federal felony? (US Title 18, I think)Jetter, every pilot practices recovery from spins. How else would they be able to recover from a spin if they got into one? Now that you have established your credentials as a liar, what else would you like to talk about? Want to talk about your years as a fashion model?
Jetter, you suprise me! A departure drill is what you do when you aircraft "departs from controled flight", i.e., it spins. Every pilot lives and dies by his recollection of his aircraft's departure drill. The F-8 was built before fly-by-wire, with its push button recovery (ala the F-18), so you'd have to do the drill step by step. What was the first step in a flat spinning Crusader?
Jetter, I'm sorry but I don't feel like giving you the benefit of the doubt. I've met more fighter pilots online than the US has made fighters. Don't suppose you'd care to give me a quick run down on the departure drill for a F-8? (I'm a bit of an aviation buff you see). 200 traps is a lot for an 0-3, who should have been an 0-2 when he cleared basic flight training.
I go to Emmanuel College and he doesn't portray this accurately at all.
1) He dismissed the victims as "f*cking rich white kids," when one kid voiced an objection he turned on him.
2) While the firing was done very quickly, they interviewed the entire class, not just 2 students. This is also not the first time he's gotten in trouble.
3) The students were integrated into the other financial accounting class and allowed to finish out the semester.
4) The media has gone with his side, because Emmanuel hasn't said much to the media.
5) He doesn't acknowledge the insensitivity of pretending to shoot students as part of a "lesson plan" 2 days after the Virginia Tech shooting
6) He's only doing this to save himself. He was signed up for another job in the fall, so he needs to paint this as a "catholic college hating free speech" issue.
jetter, I was as 0-3, Armor Branch. As an enlisted man I was a 19E20. I served in the 4th ID, 3rd AD, and 40th ID. You can check but I will save you the time, they are all US Army units. Now, how many years did you spend swabbing urine off the deck in the navy?
See this teacher was wrong. Had he instead ridiculed US solders being murdered by Islamic war criminals then he would have gotten a promotion. Been invited to speak at Berkly. The media would have made him a hero. No way he would have gotten fired. " Is that the right thing to do?" some may ask. No it is LEFT. Left wing that is.
Most states have right to carry laws because politicians are scared of the lunatic fringe "I must have a big gun or drug crazed zombies are going to eat my children" crowd, of which I assume you are a member. As I've pointed out before, the gun you own to protect your grandchildren is far more likely to kill one of them then save them. The only reason I can see to disarm you, is that you are unstable and therefore not the kind of person I want to see armed.
Jetter, you talk a lot about power and helplessness. Got issues? See a shrink. A gun doesn't make a man powerful, courage makes a man that. However, guns do make an idiot dangerous, and a lot of idiots can't tell the difference between putting themselves in danger and courage.
Jetter, Sorry, wrong again. I gave my 92F to my partner when I left (who was revolver dinosaur), I sold my back up gun to another officer. Since then my only weapon has been an Anschutz 1907. Personal History, 9 years US Army with time in the sand. Don't try to impress me with how scary life is on a carrier. And I notice you are getting personal, which is the sign of weakness in debate.
1) Common scence, a bad guy with a gun starts out with the drop on you. Pull a gun at that point, and you might as well bring your own crime scene tape. Anecodal: A store more often told than lived. You are far more likley to pick you gun up from your dead grandchild's hand. And you are just a scared old man trying to come up with a reason to own a gun.
I was with the LAPD, and my badge number was 11252. Polls are opinions, facts are different. Criminals look for guns, and get the from lawful buyers either through theft of straw buyers. Sorry, you are selling a myth.
Jetter18, as a former Police Officer, I can tell you from person experience that privately owned guns do nothing to deter crime. My contact with gun owners was either when their guns were stolen from them, or the used them in an unlawful manner. The virtues of gun ownership, frankly, are a myth.
Jetter, the "over a million" figure comes from Lott/Mustard's survey which basically asked "Do you feel like you've ever deterred a crime by owning a weapon?" The methodology is so poor that even pro-gun people reject it. Aside from that, arguing that "threatened gun use" deterred a crime is just silly. Obviously, if a person owns a gun, they think it deters crime. Try again.
Man these people are CRAZY! you talk about the gun realted crimes in the US being too low? Any gun related crime is too high for the victim, even people who were robbed at gun point will have tramautic experience let alone thos who killed. So any gun related crime is too high of a crime, even if it is robbery. GUN CONTROL may be the only solution in America, you apply the rules now and you will realize the result in few years.
Fine, you buy into that fantasy. The one case I've ever heard of where a home owner managed to kill a robber, he was shot dead by the theif's "partner" before the other criminal fled the scene. It was a bad situation, and maybe his family avoided getting robbed, but he was shot dead in the process. I can't honestly tell you if it would have turned out any better if he hadn't pulled a gun on the two theives. If you aren't professional with a gun, you are probably better off without it.
That's because you live in the People's Republic of SF and only read the local Stalinist fishwrapper. Ask any cop outside of the Pansy Paradise about thugs killed, wounded or chased off by handguns. The NRA's magazines have a monthly column listing the more interesting and dramatic occurrences. I live in an open-carry, must-issue-concealed state (VA), and I know several people alive only because of their gun, including my wife. Only an SF moron would worry about guilt after shooting a thug.
It's a fantasy. Most of the "guns" that are problems are owned by thugs who were able to buy them legally. I'm not talking about sportsmen, whatever they do with their guns, the use of a gun to "save" yourself or family just doesn't happen. People are shot during robbery, over drugs and drug territory, domestic violence, random screw ups and crazy people like Cho. Your "millions of assault attempts" comment is pure fantasy.
Also, what do you find when you open the door in the American's house? A dead trick-or-treater? A gun-savvy attacker who was wearing a flak jacket? Somebody who just wanted to steal the thirty bucks in your sock drawer and now won't stop 'till your whole family is dead? Come on. You can do better than that.
He is lying. The college is obviously not free to tell the full truth about what he did to get fired because they have to respect confidentiality. Professors at the college talk about gun control, abortion, etc. Duh. What school doesn't? Think critically everyone. He's full of baloney.
But your forgetting that everyone is not going to give up their weapons and it would have to include the entire world destroying all weapons. While it's a noble cause it is just simply implausible. The first people in this country who wouldn't give up their guns are Criminals.
If my gun was taken, I would simply buy milling equipment and build another one. I already have brass and reloading equipment. I would be armed again within a week. An armed society is one protected from their government, a necessity.
The substance is important, but the quality of this video is awful! Too bad the maker didn't take a bit more time and effort and do a job worthy of the subject matter!
Well, lets look to the UK for the results of a pretty much overall weapon ban.
The British Crime Survey: violent crimes involving knives in 2005/2006 was, at 169,000, around half the level of 340,000 in 1995, though it had increased on 2004 - 2005 and had been rising since the previous year
There is little doubt that gun crime, particularly handgun crime, has more than doubled since 1997 - again despite legislation, in the form of a post-Dunblane ban on handguns.
I'll bet all the responses on here supporting this discusting professor is him typing all this. He is disgraceful for tarnishing emmanuel college. Get over yourself and start focusing on more importnat things...hes been there for only one semester whats he so worried about hes not going back anways . Publicity stunt much?
TO ecgur186: Your forte are not gerunds ("is him typing...)! By the way, I know quite a bit about Emmanuel College. I taught there, at the nunnery-run College, some 28 years!
Emmanuel is the most diverse and open school Ive ever seen. There is constant discussion.. but honestly if a proff started talking about how there should be more guns in america and how the ppl who died were "rich white people" in a demeaning way Im sure people would look differently at it. Point of the matter is it was inapproprite and this guys got problems anways
In 2003, Columbia University professor Nicholas De Genova spoke about his desire for the deaths of American soldiers in Iraq, hoping, he said, for "a million Mogadishus," a reference to the l993 ambush and killing of 18 American soldiers in the Somalian capital. Despite the public outcry for his INSENSITIVE albeit leftist rhetoric, professor De Genova was not fired, yet professor Winset loses his job for expressing his conservative views. Double standard, anyone?
exbeliever, maybe you don't get it, but the point I was trying to make is that many college campuses are alike in the way that liberal leftist opinion tends to be encouraged and protected therein, while conservative speech tends to be discouraged and vilified at the same time. That's a double standard if there ever was one.
But the comparison isn't valid. You're comparing a tenured and published full professor at Columbia to a first-term newly-minted adjuct prof at a small Catholic school who has made it clear that he won't be staying. I agree that there's a liberal slant to what's portrayed in classes on college campuses, but I don't think that's the issue here.
So, they fired this professor to talk with their students about the massacre??? seems that everybody got insane and paranoic in this country...that's totally sad.
Oh, Boy... Another overly sensitive reaction to what amounts to NOTHING. Our country is getting more, and more spineless by the minute. Shut up about it, and give him his job back. Whomever the student is that was so upset by this that they had to go say something - SIGN UP FOR A DIFFERENT CLASS.
I do agree with him that if a person is violently confronted, he shouldn't simply turn the other cheek. Why Emmanuel College fired this guy is beyond comprehension. You don't have to agree with him on all the fine points, but he's trying to get his student to THINK, a definite PLUS!
This is a bright, communicative professor. I don't necessarily agree with him on gun control. A mentally unbalanced person should not have access to guns and one slipped through the cracks. Gun control should be discussed.
I agree that a mentally unbalanced person should not have a gun but you said yourself that one slipped through the cracks. No matter how we limit each other someone is always going to slip through the cracks. We keep tightening and tightening and soon no one can breath.
I didn't suggest tightening, only discussion of ways of preventing future occurrences. There were several complaints about this guy, stalking students, macabre writings and what not, he was referred for evaluation and nobody followed up. He should have been on a list somewhere.
To suggest that there is no need for discussion is to imply that nothing could be improved in the system to help identify people like this. How can you know that without a discussion? Surely we can't send kids to school packing guns for self-protection from potential lunatics.
No, we can't send kids to school with weapons. It doesn't even do any good the have armed police in a school. Shootings still occurred. And what you are suggesting by a listing people by their actions is a tightening of laws.
Do you realize how many Americans would end up on the same list as Cho? He was depressed, his pseudo-friends assumed he was suicidal and he was evaluated. He was released because all he clearly showed signs of was depression same as 1/3 of Americans who are on prozac and the like. Read the Secret Services report on school shooters and you will see what I mean. Most are just like everybody else until one day they come out and start shooting.
The Secret Service has looked for these "warning signs" but were unable to find a clear link between any of the shooters. Each person was different. In a population of 300 million, there is always going to be the random person who out of nowhere decides they want to kill. Why should everyone else have to be monitored and limited because of a few bad apples?
As far as the other stuff about Cho, think how many horror movies come out a year. Somebody writes each one of them. Are we going to suspect them of being crazy? How about the crews that worked on the films? or the special effects teams who put on all the blood and gore? There is a lot of macabre in the world. People are terrified and at the same time fascinated with death and violence.
He was stalking two students on two different occasions. One professor had him removed from her class for intimidating behavior, photographing students with a cell phone -- people he didn't even talk to. He spoke to no one. This guy sounds pretty weird to me. He was referred for evaluation. No one followed up. Who knew if he was even put on prozac. It might have helped. People can go off at the drop of a hat, but this one was a chronic case.
The prozac thing was a reference to the rest of America since everyone seems to be on it these days. I don't really consider someone taking photos with a cell phone "intimidating behavior." As for the stalking, no one filed charges against him. At best the only facts relating to stalking were emails and a note with a question mark. That's weak stalking in comparison. I question the validity of the media's coverage. And sure he was weird but who isn't if you really think about it?
My point in all this is that we can't try to stereotype people to identify who might be a killer. I don't want to see people's freedoms trampled, or more prejudice in this country than we already have. Post 9/11 America has been fear driven and trying to cut it's own legs off in a panic. I am up for a rational solution that doesn't step on individual rights and freedoms.
I didn't mind the Brady Bill because it still allows law abiding citizens to purchase reasonable firearms. But the suggestions for solutions that I have heard so far about this incident are simply unreasonable in respect to a US citizens rights.
Being on Prozac, a mild antidepressant, isn't what I'm talking about. And this guy was evaluated as being a danger to himself and/or others, but the information was never put into a national database of people who are severely mentally ill which would have alerted the gun store owner but states aren't mandated to forward the info because of one gun lobby, not NRA, which feels even mentally ill have to right to guns and another organization which feels it's a privacy issue.
The freedom to pretend to shoot your students with a dry-erase marker immediately after a school shooting was never protected. You have no right to be a clod, especially if you're being paid to teach accounting!
....they were having a discussion about the shooting..also, a student pretended to shoot him back- was that student kicked out of school? Freedom of speech no longer exists....we have to be PC to the point where free speech has been strangled into silence.
Lucid, he orchestrated the student's response. The whole thing was choreographed. Besides which, Don't you think teachers should be held to a higher standard regarding what they do in a classroom? This is not a free speech issue. No one has free speech while on the job. You try speaking your mind at your job and see how long you last. We're required to self-censor when we're on someone else's dime.
Teachers speak their minds all the time. My younger sister has to put up with daily liberal rants from her proffessors (my family is republican...I consider myself a liberal republican..lol)....she doesn't demand they get fired...she simply either ignored what they said or tries to speak her thoughts on the subject matter. It happens ALL the time. When ALL teachers shut up in the classroom, then I will agree with what you said.
If we want gun control then let's start cracking down on criminals and their means of acquiring guns illegally. That's where we need gun control. I know cho acquired his guns legally but he had already made a conscious decision to commit a crime. He was a Criminal. Limiting the rights of honest citizens will not help.
And for a little perspective, let's remember that he was only an adjunct. The university only hires him to teach a class or two. He's not part of the faculty. Adjuncts are always in a vicarious position. The tenure system is set up to protect this kind of freedom of speech. He isn't part of that system.
Duh, they told me to speak about Virginia Tech so I decided to talk about gun control instead.
What does this jackoff think the administration wanted him to do? Does he really think they wanted him to discuss his soapbox issue? They wanted to help their students get over any fear that they had about it, to be able to express those fears. This guy just wanted a chance to talk about his John Wayne political views.
We Americans are courageous, kind, and knowledgeable people. BUT WE ALL ARE CRAZY AT THE SAME TIME. WEAPON MANUFACTURERS WANT US TO HAVE GUNS TO PROTECT OURSELVES, WE BUY INTO THAT ARGUMENT. BUT, THE QUESTION IS PROTECT FROM WHO? I won't need a gun if I know the people around me do not have guns, but if they do then I too will need one to protect myself FROM THEM GUN CARRIERS. GUN CONTROL IS THE SOLUTION, AMEND THE CONSTITUTION, SCRAPE THE 2ND ARTICLE OFF.
If you don't like this country, you have an additional right, and I would hope you exercise it.
The right to get the Fuk outta here.
Might I remind you, that drugs are illegal and banned all over the country? It doesn't and will not work, the only thing it WILL do, is continue this victim mentality so prevalent in this country; "someone save me, cause I'm not responsible for ANYTHING, including my own safety."
I respect your obviously strong opinion towards gun control. However, I have to make some alternative points. For one it is the 2nd AMENDMENT not article. Also, whether you have gun control or not, people are going to still have and get guns, illegally. Which would inhibit law enforcements ability to track down weapons that are used in a crime. Consider this,cocaine is illegal, but people still use it. The same will be true for guns.
Additionally, the intended purpose for the 2nd amendment is as a last resort against tyranny in government.
With our government taking your attitude to completely ignore the constitution; that checkmate piece is not even close to being on the table.
Tony Snow: "the legislative has no oversight authority over the executive branch of Government" I won't go into bill of rights, ya know the things that DEFINE you as an American; the most privileged citizen on the planet!
the murder rate stats quoted below are off... US is 0.042 per 1000, similar to "undeveloped" countries like Uruguay and Bulgaria. The UK and Canada are 0.014 and Germany is 0.011. While the point is true that other countries are committing murders without guns, gun crimes are increasing the murder rate number.
I want to do a scenario, as an opener to dialogue I want to do some role playing, it's about the recent events at VT... Everybody cool with that? We're all on edge, but it's a good thing to talk about these things. (Professors were killed too)
(Role playing)
Teacher:
"Pop, pop"
Student:
'BANG!'
Teacher:
'I'm dead!' "Now that's a different ending right? 32 people still alive! GREAT! What else? Can anyone think of a less violent response?"
In most countries where there is gun control, there are no shootouts at schools. I'm sorry for you that you lost your job, but I agree 100% with the descision of the school to fire you.
not true. Before VT, the deadliest shootout in history was in Germany, which has gun control. The second (now third) deadliest was also in a country with gun control.
How about you teach Finance and Administration? and not try play shoot'm up in the classroom. I am sure parents and students loved paying a professor to teach gun control instead of accounting. He was fired and we should thank the school for doing what they felt was in the best intrest of the students.
First off, it's cool that we can get your point of view outside of the press. Hooray for YouTube.
It's fine to be a showman, but the marker-as-gun miming act sounds like grounds for dismissal (rather than the gun control or "fighting back" arguments). I understand that you didn't intend offence, but surely you could've made your point in another manner. Curbing your marker-miming acts is not the grand academic-freedom-infringing tragedy you believe it to be.
What does gun control have to do with financial accounting, this guys area of specialization? Are these kids paying to have some goof speak outside of his area of expertise?
If he wanted to talk about gun control, he should have gone into another field.
What does the VTech massacre have to do with financial accounting? Yet the school asked him to discuss it, so he offered his opinion that, without gun control, Cho would have been stopped before 32 people were killed.
Picture for one minute that you turn on the TV and you hear about the shooting for the first time. Now picture that someone you love attends that school. You can't imagine the feeling. So put perspective on that. If I was a parent of the child who he pretended to shoot I would have been the first one protesting to get him fired.
The 1st amendment doesn't apply your not allowed to teach OUR kids just anything. Expanding young minds is great but kids look up to their teachers they need to watch what info. they give We can't let them teach anything we would get some that would tell our kids things we don't agree with. Even if I agree or not with what he's saying he should have known better about voicing his opinion in a school setting especially a catholic school he should have check with the school first.
non-religious schools have profs that like to teach against religion where is that same discression. If I pay tution to a state school for my kid and some idiot prof tells him that everything that I and his mother have taught him about christ is a lie. can I get him fired? NO! where is the difference
He is right, on the grand scale of things the shooting at VT is insignificant. Don't get me wrong it was a horrible and sensless act of violence. However, just a day after over 150 ppl died in car bombings in Iraq. Not to mention the millions of ppl who die every day from things we can prevent like hunger, disease and poverty.We need to learn to put things in perspective. It's terrible what happened at VT but watch the news, there are far worse things happening all over the world.
What you did was completely in poor taste. He said the shooting at Tech was insignificant. I would dare him to say that if his class was VT students. I would hope he was not fired for his promotion of our civil rights - but, pretending to shoot students was just perverted. THAT WAS TOO FAR! You have the right to your opinion... Pretending to shoot students is about as tasteless as acting out the events of 9/11. Some things you just don't do.
He's right, this is not really news, it's a sick media field day that is unwarrented when you take into account other issues. And class, any class, is when you are supposed to discuss related topics to recent issues. 30 somthing killed, I wonder if the 9 soldiers killed yesterday will get 1/3 the news coverage. We know they wont.
Thank you we need more great teachers to expand young minds n not just lay make n takin what the so called news media thoroughs for u to fetch, gun control hahah we need PHARMECEUTICAL CONTROL n the government not to supply it
..Don Imus canned. Ward Churchill's remarks about the 9-11 victims: U. of Colorado of Boulder defended his freedome of speech. Churchill claim's he's not white. Miss Jones of Hot 97 (NYC) and her racists remarks about the tsunami victims: slap on the wrist-- she's is not white either.
What you don't seem to understand is that you made an error. Students are psychologically vulnerable at this time and their own moretality is in question. You were not sensitive to this. Don't go blaming a "Catholic College" - you are wrong. Yes, it is a tragedy that millions die daily and go unmourned, and yes, it is confusing why we mourn so much for only 32 people, but there are other ways to teach this point of you. YOU WERE WRONG. ADMIT IT.
I want to do a scenario, as an opener to dialogue I want to do some role playing, it's about the recent events at VT... Everybody cool with that? We're all on edge, but it's a good thing to talk about these things. (Professors were killed too)
(Role playing)
Teacher:
"Pop, pop"
Student:
'BANG!'
Teacher:
'I'm dead!' "Now that's a different ending right? 32 people still alive! GREAT! What else? Can anyone think of a less violent response?"
Throughout my educational career, I've never encountered a teacher that could educate without his or her own opinion nested into each topic. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's part of learning to be able to seperate your opinions from that of your informer. I certainly am glad that I am nearing completion if fun, unique and energetic professors aren't allowed to teach anymore.
He wasnt even planning on coming back next semester so theres no reason he has to tarnish this schools image just because he's sour about his innappropireat actions and wants attention.
Free speech is allowed but when this takes away from the specified class learning or makes students feel uncomfortable theres something wrong. It was too soon to make light of VT. I think if this man feels so strongly about guns in schools then he should go ahead and talk about it..not in an accounting class but somewhere else. Do you tihnk he took students feelings into account with his actions? I know many people who were affected or knew people involved in the tradegy.
Why are ppl taking this professors side?There are reasons for firing that the public doesn't know. This guy could have had problems in the past. I think as an accounting professor this topic should not have been disucssed. the school mentioned that the teachers should disucss VT, I don't think when they meant "discuss" for the professors to throw their "policital" opinions on students.
He could have had problems in the past but it seems that he was fired because of this specific incident.(Correct me if I'm wrong.)So when the school mentioned that the teachers discuss VT, they meant every teacher EXCEPT the accounting professor?
And how else do you hold discussions without personal opinions? You refer to other people's opinion?And I thought this was the 21st century where colleges wanted their students to discuss important issues. Or are we supposed to sit back quietly and pretend everything is fine?
TO ecgur186: At 74, my advice: never give the benefit of the doubt to institutions of power. Their priority is to save their own 'sacred' structures, not to serve the people they are called to protect. The U.S. Catholic bishops gave us the ultimate paradigm of 'save the 'holy' church first by covering up child abusing priests and bishops. Self-preserving strategies operate within all institutions.
lhyummer - Your ignorance is astounding. This professor was *fired* at an extremely conservative christian school for the manner in which he discussed a sensitive subject that the school administration encouraged him to talk about in the first place.
I am not saying that its not an individual right. What i am saying is that it, like other rights comes with responsibilites, some of which are being a law abiding citizen, which a background check ensures.Did i say the people dont have the right? To provide for defense in those early days, we had a militia made up of townspeople, citizens, (minutemen as in the Massachusetts people who started this country)not a formally organized, hierarchial national guard.
And please stop calling me an idiot, you used numbers in place of words, i spelled a word wrong, we're not taking a grammar test here, but sorry. I've yet to get a rebuttal on 1994 bill requiring instacheck. I am trying to be rational and you keep twisting my words and making nasty comments like this one. I never said law abiding people cant own guns and i dont appreciate blind hatred of Kennedy shown by so many of your ilk.
u2387, the nra was for the instacheck before clinton got in office. i was checked by south carolina, north carolina, and virginia during the late 80s. that's common knowledge. alot of states were ahead of brady.
one more for Warren here to clarify, I only brought up gun laws as Kennedy supports them because I saw you giving my senator and state a lashing when the whole question of gun control is, again, really irrelevant to the Virginia Tech situation. This was a tragedy that a mad man was going to carry out someway, somehow so long as he could access the gun(which he did legally). You were wrong to use the situation to take a shot at Kennedy.
ted kennedy sucks. i'm a veteran and he betrays soldiers in combat by giving the enemy aid&comfort with his words. I'm not a rich man so kennedy sucks on taxes. i live in a state that is being overwhelmed with illegal aliens so kennedy sucks on immigration. you might love teddy in mass., but he sucks where i live.
If you aren't rich, hes better on taxes, Bush gives tax cuts to the rich that you will ultimately pay for-deficit spending not really a tax cut. Ronnie Reagan=biggest tax increase on working people ever in 1982. As for immigration, i'll say this, Kennedy has the same position as Bush And, 2 million illegals in country under Clinton, 11 million today under repubs.. they let them in so big business can have cheap labor- kennedy and i are all for more border control as well as deportations.
d7777, check out canada's healthcare system. health care should be left to the free market. government run healthcare would be a disaster. look at walter reed.
And finally, Massachusetts is full of honest, hard working people as I am sure your state is as well, we're both part of this great country. Differences of opinion dont keep us from being good people, we dont know anything about eachother. Iam sure you are a good guy who just disagrees with me. Just say thanks again for being a veteran(my dad was in Vietnam).
u2387, u don't have to thank me. i had the best time of my life in the army. my dad was stationed at westover air force base when i was a kid, too. i have nothing against you or your state, but i despise kerry&kennedy as politicians&people.
Yes, Brady made all states do this,which i think is good, your states were ahead of their time and good for them. I like and respect Kerry and his service more than Kennedy and iam sure you have different views of them thats fine. I dont want to get into a war here, all the best to you and sorry for anything offensive i may have said!
Thank you very much! Though we disagree on Reagan/what spurs capital investment, i'll say this on immigration: Almost all Americans, myself and yourself included are well ahead of both Democrats and Republicans on this issue... 11 million illegals, whom we know nothing about as far as health or criminality, driving down wages is something to be taken very seriously. Take care!
u2387, bush's immigration plan SUCKS, too. I'm no fan of bush, but kerry sucked more. kennedy is pro illegals. he just had a big gathering with them in d.c. a few months ago. taxing the rich only cuts jobs&capital investment. class envy never works and can lead to socialism. success should be emulated, not punished. we had a very good economy under reagan. re-elected by a landslide.
guns have no place in the classroom, dumbass! anyone who wants students to carry guns in the classroom should not be a teacher. I'll bet a lot more teachers would be killed if students had guns.
By the way, if you lecture the class the same stupid, blabbering, boring way you did on this video, I'M GLAD FOR YOUR STUDENTS that you were FIRED!
dumbass rbdevon3, if guns have no place in the clasroom, why did that crazy nut bring one to the classroom and kill all those people. and if you had been there, tell me how you would have rectified that situation without having a gun yourself. as mr spock would say," you are illogical". i say, u r an idiot.
The man's only mistake was using the wild west graphic around resentfull, hypersenitive students who know they can get a pc admin. to fire him. But yes, only someone with no experiece working in a classroom or college could thinks it's realistic to allow all non-felons to pack heat on campus - a third of the students have psychiatric problems and are on meds, most of them get drunk / high at least every week. You'd have campus shootings every weekend in this country.
He was not given due process and that is wrong. It doesn't really matter if we agree with his viewpoint or not, fact is he was fired improperly because of the culture of victimization that he discussed in his class.
Well, here is the way I see it. If the Prof. is telling the truth, he asked his students up front if they minded a discussion on the subject because school officials wanted the subject discussed. apparently none of the students informed him during class that his action offended them, giving him the ability to address and apologize for offending.
Interesting, you outnumber this guy at least 50 to 1 and he must reload every 15 or so rounds. 10,15, 20 people could have rushed Cho and put an end to this. Liberals teach us to not fight back and look what happens. Throw 15 desks at the guy and attack dammit! But you laid down to die. Saddest thing I have ever heard of.
Well, dude. I wish you well. Your example was perfectly acceptable and this is nothing more than political correctness and fear of law suits. Anytime a student complains the school jumps. There is always a student to be offended even if they arent really offended. Its a matter of sticking it to their professors who they dont like. This school has failed you and the students. Our wishes are with you. Please get back into a university ASAP.
A VA lawmaker tried in vain to get the law changed in 2006 for students to legally carry concealed weapons on campus.The university system praised the defeat of that legislation and now the retarded liberals have 32 dead students on their hands. LIBERALS HAVE GALLONS OF BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS!!! Everyone has a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to self defense and a GUN is the ONLY TRUE EQUALIZER between a Huge crazy Man and another much smaller person.
Given a choice to have had a legally concealed weapon on your person,which one of you LIBERL DUMBASSES would have preferred to have been at VT unarmed that day?? NO ONE should justify ALLOWING themselves to become a VICTIM!!
Fired from freely discussing an issue about gun control and whether to defend oneself from an imminent threat to oneself? Is this America or some Communist country? Seriously, honest hard working people are being fired from the stupidest reasons has become the new trend in the United States. So much for the first Amendment. ;______;
You got what you deserved. Two days after something very tragic and nerve-wrattling for many, you discussed it in an unfavorable light. If you had waited say, 6 months, to bring this topic up at Emmanuel, you would not have been fired.
Really? That's why none of them did? I go to the school genius. It was a FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING class. There was absolutely NO need for him to bring up gun control.
Students complained. And from what I can tell, this was the college's last straw with him.
I can't believe you can get fired for talking about this... feel free to pass on a petition to get your job back, I'm almost positive you'll get enough signatures. My thoughts go out you to Prof. ^.^
i herd about this on yahoo news, im surprised that more people, havent seen it. he doesnt sound like hes mad that he was fired he just seems like hes forced to make up stuff that isnt true.
problem is-- you were teaching at a catholic college. We should all know by now how open minded them there Catholics are. We'd be glad to have you at rational UMASS. Keep doin' what you're doin'! NO CENSORSHIP IN THE CLASSROOM!!!
man, we are losing freedom. college students are adults who should be free to listen to different views and opinions. the media are puppets controlled by the elite. the only thing they can't control yet is the internet. hope you vote for the only freedom candidate on the ballot who doesn't care to speak his mind whether it is politically correct or not..RON PAUL!
TheDennisegg 1 month ago
gun control is fucking fail
defragen1 2 years ago
The first question that needs to be asked: Was this guy tenured? If not, he has to keep his mouth shut, otherwise he runs the risk of getting fired. It sucks, but that's the way the way the academic world works. If he wanted to change that, he should waited until he obtained (you guessed it!): TENURE!
FranklyMisterShankly 2 years ago
It wasn't about his ideas. I heard firsthand a lot of students were uncomfortable with their professors pretending to kill them all with a marker right after a school shooting happened. But oh no, our little hick Catholic school must not accept your grand ideas!
MarcoBat16 2 years ago
This has nothing to do with a "a little hick Catholic school" accepting my grand ideas. Without tenure this professor is like a very slightly higher breed of T.A. - susceptible to the slightest whim of the administration. Sorry, but if I pulled a similar stunt with the undergrads I taught, I'd expect to be subject to the same scrutiny. It sucks, but such is life without tenure.
FranklyMisterShankly 2 years ago
Professor, its not your fault. If you had taught at a pubic college instead of private, your teachings and freedom of speech would be kept secure and away from politics. That college decision to fire you was wrong! They need a recheck on their education merit.
vs127739 3 years ago
Not always but most of the time, you find that kind of behavior in public schools too about gun control, anti-abortion, and religion. It really depends if the school is liberal or conservative
hugBitCH 2 years ago
Wrong. Free speech is protected at any institution that receives public funds, including private schools.
tim84k10 2 years ago
no.
The first amendment is gone....proof?
checkout Westborough baptist Church 11M settlement. hahaha You thought you had freedom of speech....only on You tube...
leathertanner 2 years ago
back before WWII, Nazi Germany used Gun control....look what they got away with
Tooltoolla 3 years ago
Yup history shows how well gun control works.
leathertanner 2 years ago
Apparently, the free exchange of ideas is only allowed for the left wing. Sorry sons of bitches.
spurrit 3 years ago
So much for the free market of ideas on college campus. Contray to AhYaOK, professors should give thier opinions. Professors devote years of study to a given subject therefore thier opinions should and do carry more weight than some students feelings. Guns are an object. They have no free will to simply jump in to someone's hand and fire. If one is concerned about violence then look at what causes violence within a given society (poverty, mental illness, etc.)
2vonranke 3 years ago
I'm sorry you lost your job; you're not alone by any means. It happens to the best of us. However, I don't think it's the role of a teacher to give their political views or opinions to the students, even if it's in the context of what you're teaching. A teacher's job is to teach students a particular subject; not to give personal opinions.
AhYaOk 4 years ago
Actually....Students pay good money to hear the Truth. That is what they deserve. There is a thing callevgjkl./>km ,./lk.,, m
leathertanner 2 years ago
I am reminded off all the:
"We need to reform this, and reform that"
Why not just enforce the gun laws we arleay have instead of just making more we wont?
Nielk1 4 years ago
It's not an issue of guncrile, it's an issue of the people carrying these weapons. You can't control people, you can't control guns. Anyway, I'll leave you idiots here to debate on the human factor while I move onto the next vid.
TheForestDragon 4 years ago
The Stolen Valor Act only covers wearing the medal of honor.
stalkingalizee 4 years ago
Lgilsig, it is only a crime to impersonate an officer of the government if they are "pretending to act under the authority of the government." Just spouting shit over the net isn't illegal.
stalkingalizee 4 years ago
Stalkgalizee, You may be correct, but I thought it was now illegal under the new "Stolen Honor" law congress recently passed. While "pulling a jetter" may not be illegal, it is certainly beneath contempt.
Lgilsig 4 years ago
Jetter, you were a fighter pilot who does not recall the departure drill for his aircraft, or even knew the phrase "to depart". You are a fraud trying to pass himself off as an military officer. You are no better that those losers who show up to military funerals in uniforms they bought on Ebay. You are a disgrace. Please go back under your rock.
Lgilsig 4 years ago
Jetter, did you know that impersonating a military officer is a Federal felony? (US Title 18, I think)Jetter, every pilot practices recovery from spins. How else would they be able to recover from a spin if they got into one? Now that you have established your credentials as a liar, what else would you like to talk about? Want to talk about your years as a fashion model?
Lgilsig 4 years ago
Jetter, did you know that impersonating a military officer is a Federal felony? (US Title 18, I think)Jetter, every pilot practices recovery from spins. How else would they be able to recover from a spin if they got into one? Now that you have established your credentials as a liar, what else would you like to talk about? Want to talk about your years as a fashion model?
Lgilsig 4 years ago
Jetter, you suprise me! A departure drill is what you do when you aircraft "departs from controled flight", i.e., it spins. Every pilot lives and dies by his recollection of his aircraft's departure drill. The F-8 was built before fly-by-wire, with its push button recovery (ala the F-18), so you'd have to do the drill step by step. What was the first step in a flat spinning Crusader?
Lgilsig 4 years ago
Jetter, I'm sorry but I don't feel like giving you the benefit of the doubt. I've met more fighter pilots online than the US has made fighters. Don't suppose you'd care to give me a quick run down on the departure drill for a F-8? (I'm a bit of an aviation buff you see). 200 traps is a lot for an 0-3, who should have been an 0-2 when he cleared basic flight training.
Lgilsig 4 years ago
I go to Emmanuel College and he doesn't portray this accurately at all.
1) He dismissed the victims as "f*cking rich white kids," when one kid voiced an objection he turned on him.
2) While the firing was done very quickly, they interviewed the entire class, not just 2 students. This is also not the first time he's gotten in trouble.
3) The students were integrated into the other financial accounting class and allowed to finish out the semester.
RJ988 4 years ago
4) The media has gone with his side, because Emmanuel hasn't said much to the media.
5) He doesn't acknowledge the insensitivity of pretending to shoot students as part of a "lesson plan" 2 days after the Virginia Tech shooting
6) He's only doing this to save himself. He was signed up for another job in the fall, so he needs to paint this as a "catholic college hating free speech" issue.
RJ988 4 years ago
jetter, I was as 0-3, Armor Branch. As an enlisted man I was a 19E20. I served in the 4th ID, 3rd AD, and 40th ID. You can check but I will save you the time, they are all US Army units. Now, how many years did you spend swabbing urine off the deck in the navy?
Lgilsig 4 years ago
See this teacher was wrong. Had he instead ridiculed US solders being murdered by Islamic war criminals then he would have gotten a promotion. Been invited to speak at Berkly. The media would have made him a hero. No way he would have gotten fired. " Is that the right thing to do?" some may ask. No it is LEFT. Left wing that is.
"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
CandelarioGalvan 4 years ago
Most states have right to carry laws because politicians are scared of the lunatic fringe "I must have a big gun or drug crazed zombies are going to eat my children" crowd, of which I assume you are a member. As I've pointed out before, the gun you own to protect your grandchildren is far more likely to kill one of them then save them. The only reason I can see to disarm you, is that you are unstable and therefore not the kind of person I want to see armed.
Lgilsig 4 years ago
Jetter, you talk a lot about power and helplessness. Got issues? See a shrink. A gun doesn't make a man powerful, courage makes a man that. However, guns do make an idiot dangerous, and a lot of idiots can't tell the difference between putting themselves in danger and courage.
Lgilsig 4 years ago
Jetter, Sorry, wrong again. I gave my 92F to my partner when I left (who was revolver dinosaur), I sold my back up gun to another officer. Since then my only weapon has been an Anschutz 1907. Personal History, 9 years US Army with time in the sand. Don't try to impress me with how scary life is on a carrier. And I notice you are getting personal, which is the sign of weakness in debate.
Lgilsig 4 years ago
1) Common scence, a bad guy with a gun starts out with the drop on you. Pull a gun at that point, and you might as well bring your own crime scene tape. Anecodal: A store more often told than lived. You are far more likley to pick you gun up from your dead grandchild's hand. And you are just a scared old man trying to come up with a reason to own a gun.
Lgilsig 4 years ago
I was with the LAPD, and my badge number was 11252. Polls are opinions, facts are different. Criminals look for guns, and get the from lawful buyers either through theft of straw buyers. Sorry, you are selling a myth.
Lgilsig 4 years ago
Jetter18, as a former Police Officer, I can tell you from person experience that privately owned guns do nothing to deter crime. My contact with gun owners was either when their guns were stolen from them, or the used them in an unlawful manner. The virtues of gun ownership, frankly, are a myth.
Lgilsig 4 years ago
lol if you are a cop you must be from New York.
atlantaguitar 4 years ago
Jetter, the "over a million" figure comes from Lott/Mustard's survey which basically asked "Do you feel like you've ever deterred a crime by owning a weapon?" The methodology is so poor that even pro-gun people reject it. Aside from that, arguing that "threatened gun use" deterred a crime is just silly. Obviously, if a person owns a gun, they think it deters crime. Try again.
shapokliyak 4 years ago
I read all the time, and I still say that's B.S. ... peace out.
utubersf 4 years ago
Man these people are CRAZY! you talk about the gun realted crimes in the US being too low? Any gun related crime is too high for the victim, even people who were robbed at gun point will have tramautic experience let alone thos who killed. So any gun related crime is too high of a crime, even if it is robbery. GUN CONTROL may be the only solution in America, you apply the rules now and you will realize the result in few years.
Airtrawy 4 years ago
Fine, you buy into that fantasy. The one case I've ever heard of where a home owner managed to kill a robber, he was shot dead by the theif's "partner" before the other criminal fled the scene. It was a bad situation, and maybe his family avoided getting robbed, but he was shot dead in the process. I can't honestly tell you if it would have turned out any better if he hadn't pulled a gun on the two theives. If you aren't professional with a gun, you are probably better off without it.
utubersf 4 years ago
That's because you live in the People's Republic of SF and only read the local Stalinist fishwrapper. Ask any cop outside of the Pansy Paradise about thugs killed, wounded or chased off by handguns. The NRA's magazines have a monthly column listing the more interesting and dramatic occurrences. I live in an open-carry, must-issue-concealed state (VA), and I know several people alive only because of their gun, including my wife. Only an SF moron would worry about guilt after shooting a thug.
FarmGirlJB 4 years ago
It's a fantasy. Most of the "guns" that are problems are owned by thugs who were able to buy them legally. I'm not talking about sportsmen, whatever they do with their guns, the use of a gun to "save" yourself or family just doesn't happen. People are shot during robbery, over drugs and drug territory, domestic violence, random screw ups and crazy people like Cho. Your "millions of assault attempts" comment is pure fantasy.
utubersf 4 years ago
Now that's just stupid.
The European man also has access to knives.
Also, what do you find when you open the door in the American's house? A dead trick-or-treater? A gun-savvy attacker who was wearing a flak jacket? Somebody who just wanted to steal the thirty bucks in your sock drawer and now won't stop 'till your whole family is dead? Come on. You can do better than that.
shapokliyak 4 years ago
What? That didn't make any sense at all.
If you are an American you just made an entire nation look stupid.
maxwelldewitte 4 years ago
He is lying. The college is obviously not free to tell the full truth about what he did to get fired because they have to respect confidentiality. Professors at the college talk about gun control, abortion, etc. Duh. What school doesn't? Think critically everyone. He's full of baloney.
funster7 4 years ago
But your forgetting that everyone is not going to give up their weapons and it would have to include the entire world destroying all weapons. While it's a noble cause it is just simply implausible. The first people in this country who wouldn't give up their guns are Criminals.
phoenixamaranth 4 years ago
If my gun was taken, I would simply buy milling equipment and build another one. I already have brass and reloading equipment. I would be armed again within a week. An armed society is one protected from their government, a necessity.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
here, here
scratch2021 4 years ago
The substance is important, but the quality of this video is awful! Too bad the maker didn't take a bit more time and effort and do a job worthy of the subject matter!
wfm100 4 years ago
Well, lets look to the UK for the results of a pretty much overall weapon ban.
The British Crime Survey: violent crimes involving knives in 2005/2006 was, at 169,000, around half the level of 340,000 in 1995, though it had increased on 2004 - 2005 and had been rising since the previous year
There is little doubt that gun crime, particularly handgun crime, has more than doubled since 1997 - again despite legislation, in the form of a post-Dunblane ban on handguns.
And2theRepublic 4 years ago
Fired! LOFL Go flip burgers! LOFL
EternalLifeForYou 4 years ago
Apparently this dude was supposed to be teaching financial accounting. He is insane.
sm4269a 4 years ago
grow up. you dont even know anything about emmanuel college.
ecgurl86 4 years ago
I'll bet all the responses on here supporting this discusting professor is him typing all this. He is disgraceful for tarnishing emmanuel college. Get over yourself and start focusing on more importnat things...hes been there for only one semester whats he so worried about hes not going back anways . Publicity stunt much?
ecgurl86 4 years ago
WOW. I hope you are not going to college. You cant even spell.
jplumbob 4 years ago
TO ecgur186: Your forte are not gerunds ("is him typing...)! By the way, I know quite a bit about Emmanuel College. I taught there, at the nunnery-run College, some 28 years!
richbeauch 4 years ago
Emmanuel is the most diverse and open school Ive ever seen. There is constant discussion.. but honestly if a proff started talking about how there should be more guns in america and how the ppl who died were "rich white people" in a demeaning way Im sure people would look differently at it. Point of the matter is it was inapproprite and this guys got problems anways
ecgurl86 4 years ago
In 2003, Columbia University professor Nicholas De Genova spoke about his desire for the deaths of American soldiers in Iraq, hoping, he said, for "a million Mogadishus," a reference to the l993 ambush and killing of 18 American soldiers in the Somalian capital. Despite the public outcry for his INSENSITIVE albeit leftist rhetoric, professor De Genova was not fired, yet professor Winset loses his job for expressing his conservative views. Double standard, anyone?
blanckepi 4 years ago
Two different colleges, anyone?
exbeliever 4 years ago
exbeliever, maybe you don't get it, but the point I was trying to make is that many college campuses are alike in the way that liberal leftist opinion tends to be encouraged and protected therein, while conservative speech tends to be discouraged and vilified at the same time. That's a double standard if there ever was one.
blanckepi 4 years ago
But the comparison isn't valid. You're comparing a tenured and published full professor at Columbia to a first-term newly-minted adjuct prof at a small Catholic school who has made it clear that he won't be staying. I agree that there's a liberal slant to what's portrayed in classes on college campuses, but I don't think that's the issue here.
shapokliyak 4 years ago
So, they fired this professor to talk with their students about the massacre??? seems that everybody got insane and paranoic in this country...that's totally sad.
jessiquitab 4 years ago
Oh, Boy... Another overly sensitive reaction to what amounts to NOTHING. Our country is getting more, and more spineless by the minute. Shut up about it, and give him his job back. Whomever the student is that was so upset by this that they had to go say something - SIGN UP FOR A DIFFERENT CLASS.
obxjeepguy 4 years ago
I do agree with him that if a person is violently confronted, he shouldn't simply turn the other cheek. Why Emmanuel College fired this guy is beyond comprehension. You don't have to agree with him on all the fine points, but he's trying to get his student to THINK, a definite PLUS!
cdifrances 4 years ago
This is a bright, communicative professor. I don't necessarily agree with him on gun control. A mentally unbalanced person should not have access to guns and one slipped through the cracks. Gun control should be discussed.
cdifrances 4 years ago
I agree that a mentally unbalanced person should not have a gun but you said yourself that one slipped through the cracks. No matter how we limit each other someone is always going to slip through the cracks. We keep tightening and tightening and soon no one can breath.
phoenixamaranth 4 years ago
I didn't suggest tightening, only discussion of ways of preventing future occurrences. There were several complaints about this guy, stalking students, macabre writings and what not, he was referred for evaluation and nobody followed up. He should have been on a list somewhere.
cdifrances 4 years ago
To suggest that there is no need for discussion is to imply that nothing could be improved in the system to help identify people like this. How can you know that without a discussion? Surely we can't send kids to school packing guns for self-protection from potential lunatics.
cdifrances 4 years ago
No, we can't send kids to school with weapons. It doesn't even do any good the have armed police in a school. Shootings still occurred. And what you are suggesting by a listing people by their actions is a tightening of laws.
phoenixamaranth 4 years ago
Do you realize how many Americans would end up on the same list as Cho? He was depressed, his pseudo-friends assumed he was suicidal and he was evaluated. He was released because all he clearly showed signs of was depression same as 1/3 of Americans who are on prozac and the like. Read the Secret Services report on school shooters and you will see what I mean. Most are just like everybody else until one day they come out and start shooting.
phoenixamaranth 4 years ago
The Secret Service has looked for these "warning signs" but were unable to find a clear link between any of the shooters. Each person was different. In a population of 300 million, there is always going to be the random person who out of nowhere decides they want to kill. Why should everyone else have to be monitored and limited because of a few bad apples?
phoenixamaranth 4 years ago
As far as the other stuff about Cho, think how many horror movies come out a year. Somebody writes each one of them. Are we going to suspect them of being crazy? How about the crews that worked on the films? or the special effects teams who put on all the blood and gore? There is a lot of macabre in the world. People are terrified and at the same time fascinated with death and violence.
phoenixamaranth 4 years ago
He was stalking two students on two different occasions. One professor had him removed from her class for intimidating behavior, photographing students with a cell phone -- people he didn't even talk to. He spoke to no one. This guy sounds pretty weird to me. He was referred for evaluation. No one followed up. Who knew if he was even put on prozac. It might have helped. People can go off at the drop of a hat, but this one was a chronic case.
cdifrances 4 years ago
The prozac thing was a reference to the rest of America since everyone seems to be on it these days. I don't really consider someone taking photos with a cell phone "intimidating behavior." As for the stalking, no one filed charges against him. At best the only facts relating to stalking were emails and a note with a question mark. That's weak stalking in comparison. I question the validity of the media's coverage. And sure he was weird but who isn't if you really think about it?
phoenixamaranth 4 years ago
My point in all this is that we can't try to stereotype people to identify who might be a killer. I don't want to see people's freedoms trampled, or more prejudice in this country than we already have. Post 9/11 America has been fear driven and trying to cut it's own legs off in a panic. I am up for a rational solution that doesn't step on individual rights and freedoms.
phoenixamaranth 4 years ago
I didn't mind the Brady Bill because it still allows law abiding citizens to purchase reasonable firearms. But the suggestions for solutions that I have heard so far about this incident are simply unreasonable in respect to a US citizens rights.
phoenixamaranth 4 years ago
Look for the article entitled "Was Cho a Stalker?" I can't post a link.
cdifrances 4 years ago
Being on Prozac, a mild antidepressant, isn't what I'm talking about. And this guy was evaluated as being a danger to himself and/or others, but the information was never put into a national database of people who are severely mentally ill which would have alerted the gun store owner but states aren't mandated to forward the info because of one gun lobby, not NRA, which feels even mentally ill have to right to guns and another organization which feels it's a privacy issue.
cdifrances 4 years ago
freedom of speech no longer exists. How sad.
lucid123 4 years ago
The freedom to pretend to shoot your students with a dry-erase marker immediately after a school shooting was never protected. You have no right to be a clod, especially if you're being paid to teach accounting!
shapokliyak 4 years ago
....they were having a discussion about the shooting..also, a student pretended to shoot him back- was that student kicked out of school? Freedom of speech no longer exists....we have to be PC to the point where free speech has been strangled into silence.
lucid123 4 years ago
Lucid, he orchestrated the student's response. The whole thing was choreographed. Besides which, Don't you think teachers should be held to a higher standard regarding what they do in a classroom? This is not a free speech issue. No one has free speech while on the job. You try speaking your mind at your job and see how long you last. We're required to self-censor when we're on someone else's dime.
shapokliyak 4 years ago
Teachers speak their minds all the time. My younger sister has to put up with daily liberal rants from her proffessors (my family is republican...I consider myself a liberal republican..lol)....she doesn't demand they get fired...she simply either ignored what they said or tries to speak her thoughts on the subject matter. It happens ALL the time. When ALL teachers shut up in the classroom, then I will agree with what you said.
lucid123 4 years ago
If we want gun control then let's start cracking down on criminals and their means of acquiring guns illegally. That's where we need gun control. I know cho acquired his guns legally but he had already made a conscious decision to commit a crime. He was a Criminal. Limiting the rights of honest citizens will not help.
phoenixamaranth 4 years ago
And for a little perspective, let's remember that he was only an adjunct. The university only hires him to teach a class or two. He's not part of the faculty. Adjuncts are always in a vicarious position. The tenure system is set up to protect this kind of freedom of speech. He isn't part of that system.
exbeliever 4 years ago
Duh, they told me to speak about Virginia Tech so I decided to talk about gun control instead.
What does this jackoff think the administration wanted him to do? Does he really think they wanted him to discuss his soapbox issue? They wanted to help their students get over any fear that they had about it, to be able to express those fears. This guy just wanted a chance to talk about his John Wayne political views.
exbeliever 4 years ago
We Americans are courageous, kind, and knowledgeable people. BUT WE ALL ARE CRAZY AT THE SAME TIME. WEAPON MANUFACTURERS WANT US TO HAVE GUNS TO PROTECT OURSELVES, WE BUY INTO THAT ARGUMENT. BUT, THE QUESTION IS PROTECT FROM WHO? I won't need a gun if I know the people around me do not have guns, but if they do then I too will need one to protect myself FROM THEM GUN CARRIERS. GUN CONTROL IS THE SOLUTION, AMEND THE CONSTITUTION, SCRAPE THE 2ND ARTICLE OFF.
Airforcing 4 years ago
Airforcing:
If you don't like this country, you have an additional right, and I would hope you exercise it.
The right to get the Fuk outta here.
Might I remind you, that drugs are illegal and banned all over the country? It doesn't and will not work, the only thing it WILL do, is continue this victim mentality so prevalent in this country; "someone save me, cause I'm not responsible for ANYTHING, including my own safety."
And2theRepublic 4 years ago
I respect your obviously strong opinion towards gun control. However, I have to make some alternative points. For one it is the 2nd AMENDMENT not article. Also, whether you have gun control or not, people are going to still have and get guns, illegally. Which would inhibit law enforcements ability to track down weapons that are used in a crime. Consider this,cocaine is illegal, but people still use it. The same will be true for guns.
arnettb 4 years ago
Additionally, the intended purpose for the 2nd amendment is as a last resort against tyranny in government.
With our government taking your attitude to completely ignore the constitution; that checkmate piece is not even close to being on the table.
Tony Snow: "the legislative has no oversight authority over the executive branch of Government" I won't go into bill of rights, ya know the things that DEFINE you as an American; the most privileged citizen on the planet!
And2theRepublic 4 years ago
"THE QUESTION IS PROTECT FROM WHO?"
The answer is simple: criminals.
" GUN CONTROL IS THE SOLUTION, AMEND THE CONSTITUTION, SCRAPE THE 2ND ARTICLE OFF."
You have a giant hole in your argument, to wit: Do you think criminals will care if guns are legal or illegal?
kkkssskkkssskkksss 4 years ago
@kkksss...
If guns are illegal, then the average Joe can't get their hands on them.
By the way, one of the best vlog's I've seen. You were clear, composed, and didn't randomly vent at your computer. Good job.
moocow1452 4 years ago
"@kkksss...
If guns are illegal, then the average Joe can't get their hands on them."
And the criminals still can. That's the problem.
deedeekaykay 4 years ago
the firing shows how small-minded that college is. there is no such thing as free speech anymore
Mlittleb 4 years ago
the murder rate stats quoted below are off... US is 0.042 per 1000, similar to "undeveloped" countries like Uruguay and Bulgaria. The UK and Canada are 0.014 and Germany is 0.011. While the point is true that other countries are committing murders without guns, gun crimes are increasing the murder rate number.
rcmercado 4 years ago
They are college students not fifth graders!
He was doing his job! On the request of the school he was talking with his students about what happened.
They are all on edge you heartless twit, professors AND students were killed.
Sounds to me like his students liked the guy and would listen to him, the supported him.
Sounds like he talked WITH them and they respected him for it.
And2theRepublic 4 years ago
Teacher:
I want to do a scenario, as an opener to dialogue I want to do some role playing, it's about the recent events at VT... Everybody cool with that? We're all on edge, but it's a good thing to talk about these things. (Professors were killed too)
(Role playing)
Teacher:
"Pop, pop"
Student:
'BANG!'
Teacher:
'I'm dead!' "Now that's a different ending right? 32 people still alive! GREAT! What else? Can anyone think of a less violent response?"
And2theRepublic 4 years ago
In most countries where there is gun control, there are no shootouts at schools. I'm sorry for you that you lost your job, but I agree 100% with the descision of the school to fire you.
Raiffa2 4 years ago
not true. Before VT, the deadliest shootout in history was in Germany, which has gun control. The second (now third) deadliest was also in a country with gun control.
ghlow 4 years ago
How about you teach Finance and Administration? and not try play shoot'm up in the classroom. I am sure parents and students loved paying a professor to teach gun control instead of accounting. He was fired and we should thank the school for doing what they felt was in the best intrest of the students.
jbabbz 4 years ago
First off, it's cool that we can get your point of view outside of the press. Hooray for YouTube.
It's fine to be a showman, but the marker-as-gun miming act sounds like grounds for dismissal (rather than the gun control or "fighting back" arguments). I understand that you didn't intend offence, but surely you could've made your point in another manner. Curbing your marker-miming acts is not the grand academic-freedom-infringing tragedy you believe it to be.
elpanek 4 years ago
What does gun control have to do with financial accounting, this guys area of specialization? Are these kids paying to have some goof speak outside of his area of expertise?
If he wanted to talk about gun control, he should have gone into another field.
Stick to counting beans, dude.
exbeliever 4 years ago
What does the VTech massacre have to do with financial accounting? Yet the school asked him to discuss it, so he offered his opinion that, without gun control, Cho would have been stopped before 32 people were killed.
jmcdermid 4 years ago
Picture for one minute that you turn on the TV and you hear about the shooting for the first time. Now picture that someone you love attends that school. You can't imagine the feeling. So put perspective on that. If I was a parent of the child who he pretended to shoot I would have been the first one protesting to get him fired.
jbabbz 4 years ago
If he was shooting people, I'd be the first one to open fire at him...
No, wait, I respect the law so I'd be unarmed. And that's the whole point.
TygrysBengalski 4 years ago
The 1st amendment doesn't apply your not allowed to teach OUR kids just anything. Expanding young minds is great but kids look up to their teachers they need to watch what info. they give We can't let them teach anything we would get some that would tell our kids things we don't agree with. Even if I agree or not with what he's saying he should have known better about voicing his opinion in a school setting especially a catholic school he should have check with the school first.
rjaffeux 4 years ago
non-religious schools have profs that like to teach against religion where is that same discression. If I pay tution to a state school for my kid and some idiot prof tells him that everything that I and his mother have taught him about christ is a lie. can I get him fired? NO! where is the difference
scratch2021 4 years ago
He is right, on the grand scale of things the shooting at VT is insignificant. Don't get me wrong it was a horrible and sensless act of violence. However, just a day after over 150 ppl died in car bombings in Iraq. Not to mention the millions of ppl who die every day from things we can prevent like hunger, disease and poverty.We need to learn to put things in perspective. It's terrible what happened at VT but watch the news, there are far worse things happening all over the world.
nikki4586 4 years ago
What you did was completely in poor taste. He said the shooting at Tech was insignificant. I would dare him to say that if his class was VT students. I would hope he was not fired for his promotion of our civil rights - but, pretending to shoot students was just perverted. THAT WAS TOO FAR! You have the right to your opinion... Pretending to shoot students is about as tasteless as acting out the events of 9/11. Some things you just don't do.
jbabbz 4 years ago
You are a fuckwad sir....
dmcgettrick 4 years ago
He's right, this is not really news, it's a sick media field day that is unwarrented when you take into account other issues. And class, any class, is when you are supposed to discuss related topics to recent issues. 30 somthing killed, I wonder if the 9 soldiers killed yesterday will get 1/3 the news coverage. We know they wont.
Gausepohl 4 years ago
It was an accounting class, and messages on gun control would have been inappropriate for any reason.
I think in a poly sci class, things may have been different.
imagineermatt 4 years ago
VTECH JUST KICKED IN YO'
xboa2000 4 years ago
you're a total moron. but you shouldn't have been fired
internettube 4 years ago
Thank you we need more great teachers to expand young minds n not just lay make n takin what the so called news media thoroughs for u to fetch, gun control hahah we need PHARMECEUTICAL CONTROL n the government not to supply it
takebackpower 4 years ago
Freedom of Speech, aka the 1st Amendment does not apply to white people.
fartman10284 4 years ago
..Don Imus canned. Ward Churchill's remarks about the 9-11 victims: U. of Colorado of Boulder defended his freedome of speech. Churchill claim's he's not white. Miss Jones of Hot 97 (NYC) and her racists remarks about the tsunami victims: slap on the wrist-- she's is not white either.
fartman10284 4 years ago
You work for the child-raping Catholics and expect them to support ideals like free speech? Think again. You got what you deserved!
rectalchrist 4 years ago
What you don't seem to understand is that you made an error. Students are psychologically vulnerable at this time and their own moretality is in question. You were not sensitive to this. Don't go blaming a "Catholic College" - you are wrong. Yes, it is a tragedy that millions die daily and go unmourned, and yes, it is confusing why we mourn so much for only 32 people, but there are other ways to teach this point of you. YOU WERE WRONG. ADMIT IT.
lidaff2002 4 years ago
They are college students not fifth graders!
He was doing his job! On the request of the school he was talking with his students about what happened.
They are all on edge you heartless twit, professors AND students were killed.
Sounds to me like his students liked the guy and would listen to him, the supported him.
Sounds like he talked WITH them and they respected him for it.
And2theRepublic 4 years ago
Teacher:
I want to do a scenario, as an opener to dialogue I want to do some role playing, it's about the recent events at VT... Everybody cool with that? We're all on edge, but it's a good thing to talk about these things. (Professors were killed too)
(Role playing)
Teacher:
"Pop, pop"
Student:
'BANG!'
Teacher:
'I'm dead!' "Now that's a different ending right? 32 people still alive! GREAT! What else? Can anyone think of a less violent response?"
And2theRepublic 4 years ago
You got fired because...You look too much like Mr.Bean...G'Day!
DamionDad 4 years ago
Throughout my educational career, I've never encountered a teacher that could educate without his or her own opinion nested into each topic. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's part of learning to be able to seperate your opinions from that of your informer. I certainly am glad that I am nearing completion if fun, unique and energetic professors aren't allowed to teach anymore.
gpgtnv 4 years ago
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
aqalidost 4 years ago
He wasnt even planning on coming back next semester so theres no reason he has to tarnish this schools image just because he's sour about his innappropireat actions and wants attention.
ecgurl86 4 years ago
Free speech is allowed but when this takes away from the specified class learning or makes students feel uncomfortable theres something wrong. It was too soon to make light of VT. I think if this man feels so strongly about guns in schools then he should go ahead and talk about it..not in an accounting class but somewhere else. Do you tihnk he took students feelings into account with his actions? I know many people who were affected or knew people involved in the tradegy.
ecgurl86 4 years ago
Why are ppl taking this professors side?There are reasons for firing that the public doesn't know. This guy could have had problems in the past. I think as an accounting professor this topic should not have been disucssed. the school mentioned that the teachers should disucss VT, I don't think when they meant "discuss" for the professors to throw their "policital" opinions on students.
ecgurl86 4 years ago
He could have had problems in the past but it seems that he was fired because of this specific incident.(Correct me if I'm wrong.)So when the school mentioned that the teachers discuss VT, they meant every teacher EXCEPT the accounting professor?
TT13181 4 years ago
And how else do you hold discussions without personal opinions? You refer to other people's opinion?And I thought this was the 21st century where colleges wanted their students to discuss important issues. Or are we supposed to sit back quietly and pretend everything is fine?
TT13181 4 years ago
TO ecgur186: At 74, my advice: never give the benefit of the doubt to institutions of power. Their priority is to save their own 'sacred' structures, not to serve the people they are called to protect. The U.S. Catholic bishops gave us the ultimate paradigm of 'save the 'holy' church first by covering up child abusing priests and bishops. Self-preserving strategies operate within all institutions.
richbeauch 4 years ago
lhyummer - Your ignorance is astounding. This professor was *fired* at an extremely conservative christian school for the manner in which he discussed a sensitive subject that the school administration encouraged him to talk about in the first place.
Get a clue, retard.
andrewberetta 4 years ago
andrewberetta, that's what happens when you hand the Reich-wingnuttery a rope.
They expose themselves to be the arrogant, unfeeling, cold, callous pricks they really are.
NINE US solders killed in Iraq today, stay the course?
davemartin7777 4 years ago
Why not? the terrorists are having fun killing poor American kids, because their leader says so.
dabatman07 4 years ago
Shut up and teach
davemartin7777 4 years ago
I am not saying that its not an individual right. What i am saying is that it, like other rights comes with responsibilites, some of which are being a law abiding citizen, which a background check ensures.Did i say the people dont have the right? To provide for defense in those early days, we had a militia made up of townspeople, citizens, (minutemen as in the Massachusetts people who started this country)not a formally organized, hierarchial national guard.
U2387 4 years ago
FOX 25, Put me on TV
suker009 4 years ago
get over yourself
lhyummer 4 years ago
lhyummer, go back to your bedroom and spank your monkey some more. an adult is trying to school some peckerwoods.
warren1816 4 years ago
And please stop calling me an idiot, you used numbers in place of words, i spelled a word wrong, we're not taking a grammar test here, but sorry. I've yet to get a rebuttal on 1994 bill requiring instacheck. I am trying to be rational and you keep twisting my words and making nasty comments like this one. I never said law abiding people cant own guns and i dont appreciate blind hatred of Kennedy shown by so many of your ilk.
U2387 4 years ago
u2387, the nra was for the instacheck before clinton got in office. i was checked by south carolina, north carolina, and virginia during the late 80s. that's common knowledge. alot of states were ahead of brady.
warren1816 4 years ago
cry me a fucking river
lhyummer 4 years ago
one more for Warren here to clarify, I only brought up gun laws as Kennedy supports them because I saw you giving my senator and state a lashing when the whole question of gun control is, again, really irrelevant to the Virginia Tech situation. This was a tragedy that a mad man was going to carry out someway, somehow so long as he could access the gun(which he did legally). You were wrong to use the situation to take a shot at Kennedy.
U2387 4 years ago
ted kennedy sucks. i'm a veteran and he betrays soldiers in combat by giving the enemy aid&comfort with his words. I'm not a rich man so kennedy sucks on taxes. i live in a state that is being overwhelmed with illegal aliens so kennedy sucks on immigration. you might love teddy in mass., but he sucks where i live.
warren1816 4 years ago
If you aren't rich, hes better on taxes, Bush gives tax cuts to the rich that you will ultimately pay for-deficit spending not really a tax cut. Ronnie Reagan=biggest tax increase on working people ever in 1982. As for immigration, i'll say this, Kennedy has the same position as Bush And, 2 million illegals in country under Clinton, 11 million today under repubs.. they let them in so big business can have cheap labor- kennedy and i are all for more border control as well as deportations.
U2387 4 years ago
Our "War Hero" President's Iraq adventure is expected to cost America up to TWO TRILLION DOLLARS ($2,OOO,OOO,OOO) but health care for Americans?
Oh that's socialism.
davemartin7777 4 years ago
d7777, check out canada's healthcare system. health care should be left to the free market. government run healthcare would be a disaster. look at walter reed.
warren1816 4 years ago
And finally, Massachusetts is full of honest, hard working people as I am sure your state is as well, we're both part of this great country. Differences of opinion dont keep us from being good people, we dont know anything about eachother. Iam sure you are a good guy who just disagrees with me. Just say thanks again for being a veteran(my dad was in Vietnam).
U2387 4 years ago
u2387, u don't have to thank me. i had the best time of my life in the army. my dad was stationed at westover air force base when i was a kid, too. i have nothing against you or your state, but i despise kerry&kennedy as politicians&people.
warren1816 4 years ago
Yes, Brady made all states do this,which i think is good, your states were ahead of their time and good for them. I like and respect Kerry and his service more than Kennedy and iam sure you have different views of them thats fine. I dont want to get into a war here, all the best to you and sorry for anything offensive i may have said!
U2387 4 years ago
u2387, everything's cool between us. you have nothing to be sorry about. good luck in the future.
warren1816 4 years ago
Thank you very much! Though we disagree on Reagan/what spurs capital investment, i'll say this on immigration: Almost all Americans, myself and yourself included are well ahead of both Democrats and Republicans on this issue... 11 million illegals, whom we know nothing about as far as health or criminality, driving down wages is something to be taken very seriously. Take care!
U2387 4 years ago
u2387, bush's immigration plan SUCKS, too. I'm no fan of bush, but kerry sucked more. kennedy is pro illegals. he just had a big gathering with them in d.c. a few months ago. taxing the rich only cuts jobs&capital investment. class envy never works and can lead to socialism. success should be emulated, not punished. we had a very good economy under reagan. re-elected by a landslide.
warren1816 4 years ago
big freaking deal. the school is ridiculous for firing you
kablexxx 4 years ago
guns have no place in the classroom, dumbass! anyone who wants students to carry guns in the classroom should not be a teacher. I'll bet a lot more teachers would be killed if students had guns.
By the way, if you lecture the class the same stupid, blabbering, boring way you did on this video, I'M GLAD FOR YOUR STUDENTS that you were FIRED!
rbdevon3 4 years ago
dumbass rbdevon3, if guns have no place in the clasroom, why did that crazy nut bring one to the classroom and kill all those people. and if you had been there, tell me how you would have rectified that situation without having a gun yourself. as mr spock would say," you are illogical". i say, u r an idiot.
warren1816 4 years ago
The man's only mistake was using the wild west graphic around resentfull, hypersenitive students who know they can get a pc admin. to fire him. But yes, only someone with no experiece working in a classroom or college could thinks it's realistic to allow all non-felons to pack heat on campus - a third of the students have psychiatric problems and are on meds, most of them get drunk / high at least every week. You'd have campus shootings every weekend in this country.
jamesNJ71 4 years ago
You will need to be way more articulate and less wordy if you want to get your point across.
I stopped listening after about 1 minute. Way to many long pauses, "uhhs" and "umms".
You lost me.
ravello99 4 years ago
He was not given due process and that is wrong. It doesn't really matter if we agree with his viewpoint or not, fact is he was fired improperly because of the culture of victimization that he discussed in his class.
cfkane2 4 years ago
Well, here is the way I see it. If the Prof. is telling the truth, he asked his students up front if they minded a discussion on the subject because school officials wanted the subject discussed. apparently none of the students informed him during class that his action offended them, giving him the ability to address and apologize for offending.
cfkane2 4 years ago
You are boring and annoying. But, sorry you lost your job dude.
RTH2424 4 years ago
Interesting, you outnumber this guy at least 50 to 1 and he must reload every 15 or so rounds. 10,15, 20 people could have rushed Cho and put an end to this. Liberals teach us to not fight back and look what happens. Throw 15 desks at the guy and attack dammit! But you laid down to die. Saddest thing I have ever heard of.
drsnk 4 years ago
Well, dude. I wish you well. Your example was perfectly acceptable and this is nothing more than political correctness and fear of law suits. Anytime a student complains the school jumps. There is always a student to be offended even if they arent really offended. Its a matter of sticking it to their professors who they dont like. This school has failed you and the students. Our wishes are with you. Please get back into a university ASAP.
dfl4701 4 years ago
A VA lawmaker tried in vain to get the law changed in 2006 for students to legally carry concealed weapons on campus.The university system praised the defeat of that legislation and now the retarded liberals have 32 dead students on their hands. LIBERALS HAVE GALLONS OF BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS!!! Everyone has a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to self defense and a GUN is the ONLY TRUE EQUALIZER between a Huge crazy Man and another much smaller person.
zrunner240Z 4 years ago
Given a choice to have had a legally concealed weapon on your person,which one of you LIBERL DUMBASSES would have preferred to have been at VT unarmed that day?? NO ONE should justify ALLOWING themselves to become a VICTIM!!
zrunner240Z 4 years ago
Fired from freely discussing an issue about gun control and whether to defend oneself from an imminent threat to oneself? Is this America or some Communist country? Seriously, honest hard working people are being fired from the stupidest reasons has become the new trend in the United States. So much for the first Amendment. ;______;
CapnE625 4 years ago
It's very easy to say what people should do in situations where they're being attacked - especially when you're not in them yourself.
rkm0001 4 years ago
It's too bad there aren't more professors like you out there. Hope you find another job!
bigtimers 4 years ago
You got what you deserved. Two days after something very tragic and nerve-wrattling for many, you discussed it in an unfavorable light. If you had waited say, 6 months, to bring this topic up at Emmanuel, you would not have been fired.
You made a stupid move and deserve what you got.
Stephkat716 4 years ago
YOU ARE A MAJOR BUNGHOLE StephKat716!! The University ASKED the Professors to bring the subject up!!
GUNS SAVE LIVES AND PREVENT RAPES!!
FRED THOMPSON 2008!
zrunner240Z 4 years ago
Really? That's why none of them did? I go to the school genius. It was a FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING class. There was absolutely NO need for him to bring up gun control.
Students complained. And from what I can tell, this was the college's last straw with him.
Stephkat716 4 years ago
I can't believe you can get fired for talking about this... feel free to pass on a petition to get your job back, I'm almost positive you'll get enough signatures. My thoughts go out you to Prof. ^.^
Truthiness231 4 years ago
i herd about this on yahoo news, im surprised that more people, havent seen it. he doesnt sound like hes mad that he was fired he just seems like hes forced to make up stuff that isnt true.
DeagleBeagle 4 years ago
problem is-- you were teaching at a catholic college. We should all know by now how open minded them there Catholics are. We'd be glad to have you at rational UMASS. Keep doin' what you're doin'! NO CENSORSHIP IN THE CLASSROOM!!!
melboney 4 years ago