I have some knowledge about 切韻 and 廣韻. And I know 入派三聲. I was just saying that any modern Chinese language (Mandarin, Cantonese, Taiwanese, Wu, Hakka, etc) differs from Middle Chinese (中古漢語) greatly, in different ways. And I said Mandarin has the problem of irregular change compared to Southern Chinese languages. And it's not only about tones.
Please read my previous comment more carefully and you will get me.
Hakka people come from Wu Bui (湖北) or the ancient Chor Kingdom (楚國), or from Central China, Ho Nam (中原, 河南)。It is very difficult to trace their origin.
ivanbyleong is more rational n credible,his comments is more reliable,meanwhile limyanyang's comments filled with emotions,bias,biting like a crazy dog
= 中古漢語 =
唐詩以廣東話或客家語來讀都很順，因他們很接近當時唐朝中原官話。
= 上古漢語 =
而閩南語則保留許多商代與西漢中原官話詞彙，
如甲骨文的 "身" 畫了一個孕婦、如用閩南語來發音 "武新" ( 有身 ) 足以表示懷孕。
西漢的舉例，如淮南子的「天文訓」，有大量閩南語詞彙，如：蚤食 ( 早時 )
ke730 1 year ago
@ke730 日本經過唐朝時期的大化革新,許多發音卻和閩南語相近,相似度高於廣東語和客家語,如何解釋?
elem550 11 months ago
@elem550 日本遣唐使好多在閩和蘇州一帶學習漢語嗒.
Jiehengs 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@ke730 日本經過唐朝時期的大化革新,許多發音卻和閩南語相近,相似度高於廣東語和客家語,如何解釋?
elem550 11 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@ke730 日本經過唐朝時期的大化革新,許多發音卻和閩南語相近,相似度高於廣東語和客家語,如何解釋?
elem550 11 months ago
@ke730 粵語裏面"有身子"都是懷孕的意思嘢...不管怎么樣,南方各大方言都不同程度上保留了古漢語成份..所謂的國語只是被外族入侵后所形成
Jiehengs 8 months ago
= 中古漢語 =
唐詩以廣東話或客家語來讀都很順，因他們很接近當時唐朝中原官話。
= 上古漢語 =
而閩南語則保留許多商代與西漢中原官話詞彙，
如甲骨文的 "身" 畫了一個孕婦、如用閩南語來發音 "武新" ( 有身 ) 足以表示懷孕。
西漢的舉例，如淮南子的「天文訓」，有大量閩南語詞彙，如：蚤食 ( 早時 )
ke730 1 year ago
應該說粵語保存了較多中古語的特點, 但不能說粵語就是中古語
toby123lkw 2 years ago 6
粵語保存上古雅言，客語保存中古中原正音。
客家人祖先乃中原人，來自河南、山西、山東。
閣下可參考[切韻考] - 廣東高等教育出版社,，及廣信論文集。
ivanbyleong 2 years ago 2
我在這個視頻裡面也沒聽出十與石、針與真的不同啊？？
hider1982 3 years ago
韻尾不一樣 十-p/石-k 針-m/真-n
假如您聼不出這個區別 您大概也比較難分辨英語中sim/sin和shit/ship的區別
SekyinB 3 years ago
粵語乃出自秦漢唐宋言，乃中古語！
ivanbyleong 4 years ago
現代各方言都出自中古漢語
粵語有其保存中古特性多的一面
但與中古音的差距還是很大的
普通話的問題不在于和中古音差距有多大 而在於和中古音的對應不太好（很多音合併、分裂得沒有規律）
誠然普通話不是正宗漢語 說粵語就是中古語是同樣謬誤的言論
SekyinB 3 years ago 14
請讀[切韻考]、及廣信論文集！
ivanbyleong 2 years ago
普通話轉變規律是上聲和去聲陰陽不分，又把入聲分派入平、上、去三聲，以致普通話祇有陰平、陽平、上、去四聲，同音近音的字太多！
ivanbyleong 2 years ago
I have some knowledge about 切韻 and 廣韻. And I know 入派三聲. I was just saying that any modern Chinese language (Mandarin, Cantonese, Taiwanese, Wu, Hakka, etc) differs from Middle Chinese (中古漢語) greatly, in different ways. And I said Mandarin has the problem of irregular change compared to Southern Chinese languages. And it's not only about tones.
Please read my previous comment more carefully and you will get me.
Sorry that I couldn't type in Chinese right now^^
SekyinB 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Accept this fact
Cantonese is Great Modern Language, with Great Songs; whereas
Hakka is LOW-CLASS language with UGLY songs that sounds like SHIT!!
No wonder Cantonese Language become MAINSTREAM int'l Chinese language like Mandarin & Taiwanese.
Hakka language will FOREVER b sidelined even by Hakkas; as a language of uneducated peasants or hill-tribes peoples called "Guests/Kejia"
SINCE MAJORITY OF HAKKA CAME FROM GUANGDONG, THEY SHD ASSIMILATE & SPEAK CANTONESE INSTEAD.
limyangyang 4 years ago
Hakka people come from Wu Bui (湖北) or the ancient Chor Kingdom (楚國), or from Central China, Ho Nam (中原, 河南)。It is very difficult to trace their origin.
客家人可能是楚人湖北人的後裔, 楚國國力最強時，擴張至河南，曾問鼎於中原。但客家人的出處很難稭考。
ivanbyleong 4 years ago
is there any source to back up yr claims?
limyangyang 4 years ago
ivanbyleong is more rational n credible,his comments is more reliable,meanwhile limyanyang's comments filled with emotions,bias,biting like a crazy dog
killvice 4 years ago 2
查客家人出自豫、司、并三州，即河南、山西、山東，乃中原也。故客語乃中古中原正音。孔子在山東講客語方言，唯詩書執禮皆雅言(粵語)。
ivanbyleong 2 years ago