@Fantezism The problem is heath is more faithful then Jack which by your words that would be trying to compare a triangle to a circle
You got this delusion that Jack is more faithful to the original when the only thing Jack has is that he looks like him (only slightly more chubby) and the fact that fell into acid which is FLASH BACK that the original joker doesn't even know to be his true origin to its irrelevant.
While Heaths acts WAY MORE like the joker then jack ever did. :)
I'd rather watch all these Ledger fanboys disappear from youtube since I'm tired of seeing them defend their idol. Ledger's Joker looks like Ronald McDonald's emo twin ! Now get lost and let the real long-term Batman fans enjoy this video.
@Fantezism Would you lighten up? It's called being different. What's the point of playing the same Joker Jack played? I like Ledger's Joker more. But I still like Jack's Joker a lot so I'm in no way a fanboy. Hell, you're a fanboy yourself IF you hate Ledger's Joker because you think Nicholson's is simply better.
@SinisterSnake95: Actually, it's called not caring about the things that made the Joker great. You can't reinvent the Joker just like you can't reinvent the wheel. Ledger's Joker looks more like: Beetlejuice, The Grinch, Ronald McDonald (emo version), the Crow (pathetic washed-up version), a member of Tokio Hotel or M.Manson or the Cure or Slipknot. This just isn't the Joker.
@Fantezism Nicholson played The Joker from the comics circa 1970, where he had a huge sense of humor yet he wasn't a total joke as his character was recovering from the whole Batman TV Adam West thing. Ledger played the original Joker from his first appearances with some of his personality taken from The Killing Joke.
@SinisterSnake95: Actually no. The original Joker was a humorous version of Al Capone. Ledger's Joker is a pathetic emo version of Ronald McDonald aimed at kids who're not even old-term Batman fans. And I'm not a Nicholson fanboy, I hate that guy actually. Unlike your Ledger fanboys. Seriously, Ledger's been being given more credit than a Native American applying for college. Enough is enough ! His Joker isn't the best...let's just call a spade a spade.
@Fantezism Actually, he did play the original Joker. He wasn't all about the jokes in his early appearances, he was about murdering and unleashing chaos. Hell, if you would've done your research you'd know that most of Ledger's antics in the movie are taken from the Joker's first ever comic appearance. Oh god forbid he has a scarred smile and his hair is a little tall, so what? It was nice to see a fresh look for The Joker. Joker's look has been changed a lot throughout the years..
@SinisterSnake95: Actually no. Unleashing chaos and commiting crimes aren't something typical only of the Joker. The Joker doesn't wear make-up. He lost his normal physiognomy after falling into a vat of chemicals. Ledger's Joker wears make-up, dyes his hair green and talks about his scars...can you say EMO ? This new Joker just isn't the Joker. Fine, you can create a new character if you want...but don't call him the Joker, call him something else.
@Fantezism FYI Joker wore Make-Up in his first appearances and removed it to kill someone disguised as a police officer.. Dark Knight much? Just sayin
@SinisterSnake95: ..OH GIVE ME A BREAK ! HE'S WEARING MAKE-UP MOST OF THE TIME ! So there are a few scenes where he's not wearing any make-up ...SO WHAT ?! It's so pathetic the length you go to justify this ridiculous character that you call The Joker. And I still don't understand why he dyed his hair green.
@Fantezism Sorry to break it to you dude, but you are completely WRONG! You can't even compare the two Jokers. Trying to compare Heath Ledger's LEGENDARY performance to Jack Nicolson's lame-ass attempt at being the Joker is like trying to compare an academy award winning film like "Inception" to a shitty low-budget film like "Scary Movie." Jack Nicolson may have played the Joker, but Heath ledger WAS the Joker.
@SOLIDSNAKEz28: The only thing legendary about Ledger's performance is its hype. I made many valid points in my previous messages: Ledger's Joker is too emo and is obviously aimed at fans of metal bands whose members wear too much make-up (Slipknot, Tokio Hotel, MM). Long-term Batman fans, for the most part, prefer Nicholson's Joker. The only ones who're praising Ledger are his fanboys, which is totally fine ! But don't go around telling long-term Batman fans which Joker is better
@Fantezism IVe been a fan of Batman since I was a kid and Heath ledgers joker to me was more like the comics jack here's performance to me was more of an adulterated version of Ceasar Romero's. Heath Ledger is Joker
@mgk22: You're not a Batman fan, you're just someone who watched a few Batman films and cartoons on different occasions. You're saying you are only for the reason of legitimating your pro-Ledger statements. You need to be totally ignorant of the Batman franchise and not to have read the comics ever in order to say that Ledger's joker is truer to the comics. You're most likely a Ledger fanboy since you equate him with the Joker's character. Only Ledger's fanboys do that.
@mgk22: Ledger's performance reminded me of an emo kid who's always talking about his scars and wearing too much make-up. He had zero humor, zero comebacks. He didn't play as the Joker, he only played as himself dressed in a purple costume with stupid make-up and dyed green hair. He looks more like a member of Slipknot than the Joker. Of course, his fanboys will praise him no matter what because that's what they do. They make Harry Potter's fanboys look smart.
@Fantezism I could care less about Heath's performance in his other films never even saw his other films apart from The patriot and A Knights tale and The Dark Knight but I guess your Jack Nicholson lover seeing as how you dont like it when some one states their opinion about how they thought some one else's performance is better than his. Jacks I think is over the top take Romero's version add some adult stuff to it and you get jacks
@Fantezism Sorry but Jack's joke was all about revenge which is not what the ORIGINAL joker was about.....yes Mr. Tim burton fanboy he did not kill batman's parents
So take your Jack is more faithful bull shit and shove it ^_^ lol
The joker was batman's arch nemesis was because they were the polar opposite of eachother (ying and yang)
@xam10000hehe: Dude, you should really take your head out of Ledger's butt because your brain (as if you had one) is obviously not getting oxygen. You have no respect for logic.
@Fantezism And how am I being disrespectful? can you give 1 good reason? because as far as I am concerned as much insults you give me your the one the qualifies for all of em :)
@xam10000hehe: Are you going to answer my questions or are you going to just play the victim ? Tell me, was I right when I said that you're into crappy nu-metal bands ? : P
@Fantezism Sorry but Jack's joke was all about revenge which is not what the ORIGINAL joker was about.....yes Mr. Tim burton fanboy he did not kill batman's parents
So take your Jack is more faithful bull shit and shove it ^_^ lol
The joker was batman's arch nemesis was because they were the polar opposite of eachother (ying and yang)
@mgk22: Which comics are you talking about ? In case you didn't know the Joker went through many transformations, but none of them come anywhere close to Ledger's.
@mgk22: Only someone who has NEVER read the comics would think Ledger's version is truer to the comics. Does the Joker dye his hair green in the comics and wear stupid make-up ?
@Fantezism You havent read the comics because then you would know that the first appearance of the joker did dye his hair and wear make up read his first apperance debut 1940 :P
@Fantezism LMAO no he didn't....its not confirmed, Its just a "flash back" in the killing joke which the Joker character himself admits he doesn't know its his true origin
@Fantezism Ledgers IS truer to the comics dude. Jack was all about "revenge" which is not the joker. Joker was Batman's arch nemesis was because they are polar opposite of eachother
Ying and the Yang
I can name sooo many things the Heaths joker has over Jack is not even funny
Secondly you should know the bit wear joker falls into a pit of acid is not his CONFIRMED origin. :) Joker's overall origin is unknown just like heath ledgers.
@xam10000hehe: Suuure. Nevermind that Bob Kane COLLABORATED with Tim Burton when they created Nicholson's Joker. I guess you know the Joker better than Bob Kane, no ?
@Fantezism First off dude, Bob Kane is not the TRUE creator of batman. All he did was help with a few minor things while Bill finger both wrote and did art for batman.
Bob Kane is a hack who took credit for batman....seriously dude do your research -_-
@Fantezism Yes I have dude :) That little falling into a pit of acid was in a FLASH BACK of the joker then all that is negated on by the joker talking on telling batman...
"sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another...if I am going to have a past I would prefer it to be multiple choice"
So yeah don't ask me if I read the comics ;) I ask YOU if you read the comics lol
@xam10000hehe: Talking into consideration the fact that his hair is green and his ENTIRE skin pasty it's pretty obvious that he didn't lie about that specific flashback.
@Fantezism Except for the fact the that the acid thing is not his confirmed origin so AGAIN negated dude :)
And secondly if the acid thing is all you got to being "faithful" I can list a dozen stuff heath has over Jack that is more faithful then Jack ever was.
@xam10000hehe: Actually that quotation is useless since it's self-contradictory: if the Joker ALAWAYS lies about his past, it means he was also lying when he was making that statement.
@Fantezism The Joker didn't lie "per se" because what he gave was not a straight answer and its not supposed to be straight because the joker doesn't remember anything. Secondly the joker not knowing his past is way more plausible because it means he has nothing to lose. He can't "lie" about something he doesn't know
The comic wouldn't be worth reading if the whole thing was based on a "lie"
@xam10000hehe: He didn't say that, he said that ”sometimes he remembers it in a way, other times in a different way ”. That doesn't mean he's suffering from amnesia.
@Fantezism What part your character guide is unreliable do you not understand? I can argue Deadpool was canadian because Sources from marvel say he is, however in the comics it tells A LOT differently.
And again what part of the "falling into acid bit" is not his confirmed origin do you not understand?
@xam10000hehe: But you see..the PUBLISHING HOUSE that issued the comics say he fell into a vat of chemicals. And Bob Kane worked at Bat89 where the Joker falls into the vat.
@xam10000hehe: And we don't know whether he was just joking or being serious when he made that statement. You need more evidence to be sure about something that the Joker said.
@xam10000hehe: Heath's Ledger is just a emo-punk version of the Joker. Judging by your avatar, you're into bands like Slipknot, so it makes sense that you should preferLedger's Joker.
@Fantezism So you judge people just by looks alone
DAMN your incredibly biased (._.' )
I read my share of comics mr. lolcow I am not some "wanna be" fan like you ;) And again Heaths Joker is not emo, because again we don't know shit on how he got those scares.
@Fantezism The Heath ledger joker is not even "emo" for the simple fact is we don't even know where he got the scare because he lies in every story he gives.
First its his father, and then he did it...nobody knows
We will tell so call FAKE batman fans what is what because Ledger is more faithful to to the original joker then Jack ever was
@xam10000hehe: But he does wear make-up and TALK about how he got his scars and his clothing is pretty emo if you ask me. His normal appearance reminds me of Tokio Hotel and without his make-up he looks like Joan Rivers. That said, there's not a drop of originality in Ledger's Joker, he reminds me of anyone else BUT the actual Joker. And the fact that he's sticking his tongue out on cue pisses me off. And the way he smears on his lipstick makes him look like he has a moustache.
@Fantezism See what your doing is point all the NEW stuff about ledger's joker instead of pointing out the nodds to the original joker which ledger does VERY well
secondly I don't know whats emo about the purple coat joker wears as I recall I have seen the original joker wear something along those lines in the comics as well
(he has worn several designs)
All your complaining about is the new stuff and not the original stuff that makes him the "Joker"
@xam10000hehe: Im complaining about the new stuff cause it sucks. Scars + talking about scars + makeup + dyed hair = emo. If the new stuff didn't suck, I wouldn't be complaing about it.
@Fantezism First off dying hair is not emo that is a punk thing or occasional thing
When he talks about his scars he is lying about his past which Joker DOES ALOT to either his victims or doctors at Arkham Asylum which is why Harely Quinn was corrupted. And again we do not know how he got those scares
In story he says he did it, then the next he says his father did it
We don't know
And again your not referencing the original stuff which makes him closer to the original then Jack
@Fantezism You know what's funny? You go as far as to go into Dark Knight videos to call Ledger's Joker an emo. Why did he die his hair green? Didn't you see The Joker's intro into the movie. He removed his mask to show himself why simply saying "I believe, that whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you.. Stranger" So it's obvious he suffered a huge tragedy that snapped his mind. Nolan didn't want to focus on the origins of The Joker, just the RISE of The Joker.
@Fantezism No unleashing chaos IS something typical for the joker. The joker stands out from the rest of batman's villains because he is unpredictable.
He mostly does if because it amuses him
Seriously what do you think the Joker does? cliche Rob banks because he wants money? No joker is not like that...yeah the burton films tried to pull off his craziness but its tamed. Heaths Joker is more of the form of the original.
@xam10000hehe: You are just repeating the same statement ignoring the fact that it's wrong. The comic book Joker didn't wear make-up, and he had a sense of humor, unlike Ledger's.
@Fantezism Yeah and I can counter with the fact that the Joker did not kill batman's parents, he wasn't all FULL BLOWN "revenge"
And again the Acid origin is not his confirmed origin.....I only repeat myself because you repeat yourself back. You see what I am telling you IS fact, while yours is just lack of knowledge of the batman fandom in general.
@xam10000hehe: ” I'm always lying about my past ”. If that statement is true, it means everything I say about my past is unrealiable, including the statement which I have just made.
@xam10000hehe: Now you have to prove that a) he wasn't lying/exaggerating when he made that statement and b) the things he remembered differently include the chemical vat incident.
@xam10000hehe: And since google is your best friend, did you know that the publication that issued the comics confirmed that Joker fell into that vat of chemicals before losing it ?
@xam10000hehe: Google ”Who's Who in the DC universe”. It's an official guide to every DC comic book character. It confirms that the Joker fell into a vat of toxic waste.
@Fantezism Dude those sites are unreliable....That would be like me saying Deadpool is Canadian because I looked it up on the Marvel website. when clearly if you read the comics he isn't.
@xam10000hehe: I am talking about a character guide that was issued in 87 (if I remember correctly) by the same publishing house that issued the comics.
@xam10000hehe: He doesn't say he has no idea what his past is. He just says he has difficulty remembering. That doesn't allow you to infer he has NO IDEA about what happened to him.
@xam10000hehe: No, he says he sometimes remembers things in a way, and other times in another way. That doesn't mean he has ZERO memories about his past.
@xam10000hehe: So, let's see. The Publishing House says he fell into the vat. The movie Kane supervized has him fall into the vat. Shall I trust them or one of Ledger's fanboys ?
@xam10000hehe: But the PUBLISHING HOUSE that issued that guide is also the one that issued the comics. And nowhere in the comics does the Joker say he has ZERO memories about his past.
@xam10000hehe: Hey, I'm not the one basing his entire case on one ambiguous quote and ignoring what Bob Kane and the Publishing House that issued the comics have to say.
@Fantezism First off Bob Kane is not the creator of Batman, Bill Finger is. Bob Kane had minimal involvement in batman except for giving him his "name" Batman
And Bill finger and Jerry Robinson created the Joker
But if you ask Bob Kane this 10 years age before he died he'll never tell you this. The reason Bob Kane has the rights to batman is because bought a copyright of them which he had no involvement in creation of.
He is creation snatching, money whore....That is all he is. -_-
@xam10000hehe: ...you're digressing. We weren't talking about who contributed the most to the development of the Batman franchise. We were talking about whose word is more reliable.
@xam10000hehe: Most impostantly, I'm not the Ledger fanboy who's licking his idol's behind like it's ice-cream. The Publishing House has the final word on this matter. Period.
@Fantezism Also I am not delusional "wanna be" that picks up unreliable info from the publishing house and thinks its fact when as I said before its unreliable info -_-
The REAL info is in the comics
Stop kicking a dead horse, its not going to get you anywhere :)
@xam10000hehe: There is nothing in the comics that supports your views (other than an ambiguous quote that has more than one interpretation) and the Publishing House that took part in the making of the comics will obviously know more about the comics it issued than a regular Ledger fanboy whose only inention is to make his idol look good. The PUBLISHING HOUSE is ”more official” than fan no. 235246 (that's you).
@Fantezism Yeah other then the fact everything I brought up is THERE in the comics and I have mentioned more then that 1 quote that you insist arguing about
@Fantezism First off the quote is not controversal
simply put "he doesn't know his past" if he didn't why would he have such a self-destructive view? He has nothing to lose
Secondly we talked about the "Joker" in all sorts of topics regarding the character, just read the rest of the comments or you willing to ignore everything because your unable to argue? ;)
@xam10000hehe: It is because we don't know whether it was made in jest or to what extent it's true (if it's true). It could be a joke, an exaggeration or a lie.
@Fantezism They would never build up an ENTIRE story to come to the conclusion of the quote only to have it be "lie" as you put it, other wise it would be waste.
Secondly what makes your joker more faithful aside from the looks department? -_- Can you give 1 little legit criticism of his character?
@xam10000hehe: The only one who went with the assumption the Joker was an amnesiac is Nolan, that's because he didn't care about the comics. I have made many valid points to which you are just unable to retort simply because you are basing your entire case an an ambiguous quote and ignoring evertyhing else that contradicts your position.
@xam10000hehe: Again, you are repeating your statements again and again and again. You have no official sources to back up your interpretation of that quote.
@xam10000hehe: You're the only one here unable to argue because you're cherry picking what seems to confirm your ideas while ignoring everything else that contradicts your position.
@Fantezism No dude your only quoting one little line that seems to defeat your argument instead on focusing on the other stuff we talk about the Joker character :/
Your all "this is factual (when it is not) and you have no say"
Don't work that way :) Don't attempt to act like you know what your talking about.
@Fantezism Sorry little boy if the PUBLISHING HOUSE denies anything cannon and goes by flash backs that are unknown even to the Joker then they are unreliable.
@xam10000hehe: Just because the thing you're interpreting is cannon doesn't mean that your interpretations are cannon too. I can interpret the Joker's statement in more than one way.
@xam10000hehe: No, it doesn't state it. That's YOUR interpretation. The fact that the Publisher has a different interpretation shows that you misunderstood the whole thing.
@xam10000hehe: Your ”cannon” is just your set of misconceptions that you back up with amiguous quotations whose accuracy is doubtful. What else can I expect from a Ledger fanboy ?
@Fantezism Its not a misconception because I understand PERFECT grammar thank you very much you on the other hand haven't back anything up except lame excuses
@xam10000hehe: I can reformulate the sentence as ” My memories differ in many respects, I enjoy having more than one past”. Your interpretation really sucks.
@xam10000hehe: Amnesia = lack of any memory. He doesn't state that he doesn't have any memories, he states that his memories conflict in some respects.
@xam10000hehe: I explained why Ledger's Joker stinks. The fact that he's wearing make-up and dyes his hair green and talks about his scars makes him come across like an emo kid. He has no sense of humor, he wouldn't be able to crack a joke if his life depended on it. His lipstick looks like a moustache, his costume, in combination with his make-up and would-be madman persona, is 100% emo. And he's HORRIBLY overrated. Want me to continue the list ?
@Fantezism And I explained your complaining about the NEW characteristics instead of reoncizing the original characteristics. I told how he wasn't emo in previous comments
@xam10000hehe: You are repeating them because you have no evidence for your interpretations. I place more confidence in what the Publishing House says, for obvious reasons.
@xam10000hehe: What is your proof that the Joker didn't lie when he made that statement ? The Publishing House's character guide indicates that he did, or at least exaggerated.
@xam10000hehe: I'm just doing what you're doing: interpreting things only the way I want so that they will fit with my misconceptions. If you can do it, why shouldn't I do it too ?
@xam10000hehe: Nowhere in the comics does the Joker say ” I don't know squat about what happened to me in the past !”. You're just twisting his quote to make it fit with your ideas.
@xam10000hehe: Actually that quote proves that he REMEMBERS but that his memories sometimes differ. In no way does it enable you to infer he doesn't remember anything. Reread please.
@Fantezism If he is willing to debunk his flash backs with "sometimes I remember is one way sometimes another" only shows he ain't sure of anything he predicts
@xam10000hehe: I can assume that his flashbacks differ in minor details and that they are essentially true. As you can see, the quote is ambiguous and has more than just 1 interpretation
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rickneil01 1 day ago
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misterladiesman217 2 days ago
got him right in the neck fat!
mitra32203 1 week ago
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@Fantezism The problem is heath is more faithful then Jack which by your words that would be trying to compare a triangle to a circle
You got this delusion that Jack is more faithful to the original when the only thing Jack has is that he looks like him (only slightly more chubby) and the fact that fell into acid which is FLASH BACK that the original joker doesn't even know to be his true origin to its irrelevant.
While Heaths acts WAY MORE like the joker then jack ever did. :)
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
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xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
I think jack took an arrow to the knee when he saw the dark knight
MejoradaDj 3 weeks ago
NO IS NOT! XD (image if it is :D)
AnimeNewsRadio101 3 weeks ago
I'd rather watch all these Ledger fanboys disappear from youtube since I'm tired of seeing them defend their idol. Ledger's Joker looks like Ronald McDonald's emo twin ! Now get lost and let the real long-term Batman fans enjoy this video.
Fantezism 3 weeks ago
@Fantezism Would you lighten up? It's called being different. What's the point of playing the same Joker Jack played? I like Ledger's Joker more. But I still like Jack's Joker a lot so I'm in no way a fanboy. Hell, you're a fanboy yourself IF you hate Ledger's Joker because you think Nicholson's is simply better.
SinisterSnake95 3 weeks ago
@SinisterSnake95: Actually, it's called not caring about the things that made the Joker great. You can't reinvent the Joker just like you can't reinvent the wheel. Ledger's Joker looks more like: Beetlejuice, The Grinch, Ronald McDonald (emo version), the Crow (pathetic washed-up version), a member of Tokio Hotel or M.Manson or the Cure or Slipknot. This just isn't the Joker.
Fantezism 3 weeks ago
@Fantezism Nicholson played The Joker from the comics circa 1970, where he had a huge sense of humor yet he wasn't a total joke as his character was recovering from the whole Batman TV Adam West thing. Ledger played the original Joker from his first appearances with some of his personality taken from The Killing Joke.
SinisterSnake95 3 weeks ago
@SinisterSnake95: Actually no. The original Joker was a humorous version of Al Capone. Ledger's Joker is a pathetic emo version of Ronald McDonald aimed at kids who're not even old-term Batman fans. And I'm not a Nicholson fanboy, I hate that guy actually. Unlike your Ledger fanboys. Seriously, Ledger's been being given more credit than a Native American applying for college. Enough is enough ! His Joker isn't the best...let's just call a spade a spade.
Fantezism 3 weeks ago
@Fantezism Actually, he did play the original Joker. He wasn't all about the jokes in his early appearances, he was about murdering and unleashing chaos. Hell, if you would've done your research you'd know that most of Ledger's antics in the movie are taken from the Joker's first ever comic appearance. Oh god forbid he has a scarred smile and his hair is a little tall, so what? It was nice to see a fresh look for The Joker. Joker's look has been changed a lot throughout the years..
SinisterSnake95 3 weeks ago
@SinisterSnake95: Actually no. Unleashing chaos and commiting crimes aren't something typical only of the Joker. The Joker doesn't wear make-up. He lost his normal physiognomy after falling into a vat of chemicals. Ledger's Joker wears make-up, dyes his hair green and talks about his scars...can you say EMO ? This new Joker just isn't the Joker. Fine, you can create a new character if you want...but don't call him the Joker, call him something else.
Fantezism 3 weeks ago
@Fantezism FYI Joker wore Make-Up in his first appearances and removed it to kill someone disguised as a police officer.. Dark Knight much? Just sayin
SinisterSnake95 3 weeks ago
@SinisterSnake95: Ledger's Joker is ALWAYS wearing make-up and he's obviously dying his hair green. Is Tokio Hotel missing a member by any chance ?
Fantezism 3 weeks ago
@Fantezism ALWAYS wearing make-up? What movie were you watching? Did you miss the big scene where he shot Gordon and "killed him"?
SinisterSnake95 3 weeks ago
@SinisterSnake95: ..OH GIVE ME A BREAK ! HE'S WEARING MAKE-UP MOST OF THE TIME ! So there are a few scenes where he's not wearing any make-up ...SO WHAT ?! It's so pathetic the length you go to justify this ridiculous character that you call The Joker. And I still don't understand why he dyed his hair green.
Fantezism 3 weeks ago
@Fantezism Sorry to break it to you dude, but you are completely WRONG! You can't even compare the two Jokers. Trying to compare Heath Ledger's LEGENDARY performance to Jack Nicolson's lame-ass attempt at being the Joker is like trying to compare an academy award winning film like "Inception" to a shitty low-budget film like "Scary Movie." Jack Nicolson may have played the Joker, but Heath ledger WAS the Joker.
SOLIDSNAKEz28 3 weeks ago
@SOLIDSNAKEz28: The only thing legendary about Ledger's performance is its hype. I made many valid points in my previous messages: Ledger's Joker is too emo and is obviously aimed at fans of metal bands whose members wear too much make-up (Slipknot, Tokio Hotel, MM). Long-term Batman fans, for the most part, prefer Nicholson's Joker. The only ones who're praising Ledger are his fanboys, which is totally fine ! But don't go around telling long-term Batman fans which Joker is better
Fantezism 3 weeks ago
@Fantezism IVe been a fan of Batman since I was a kid and Heath ledgers joker to me was more like the comics jack here's performance to me was more of an adulterated version of Ceasar Romero's. Heath Ledger is Joker
mgk22 2 weeks ago
@mgk22: You're not a Batman fan, you're just someone who watched a few Batman films and cartoons on different occasions. You're saying you are only for the reason of legitimating your pro-Ledger statements. You need to be totally ignorant of the Batman franchise and not to have read the comics ever in order to say that Ledger's joker is truer to the comics. You're most likely a Ledger fanboy since you equate him with the Joker's character. Only Ledger's fanboys do that.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@mgk22: Ledger's performance reminded me of an emo kid who's always talking about his scars and wearing too much make-up. He had zero humor, zero comebacks. He didn't play as the Joker, he only played as himself dressed in a purple costume with stupid make-up and dyed green hair. He looks more like a member of Slipknot than the Joker. Of course, his fanboys will praise him no matter what because that's what they do. They make Harry Potter's fanboys look smart.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism I could care less about Heath's performance in his other films never even saw his other films apart from The patriot and A Knights tale and The Dark Knight but I guess your Jack Nicholson lover seeing as how you dont like it when some one states their opinion about how they thought some one else's performance is better than his. Jacks I think is over the top take Romero's version add some adult stuff to it and you get jacks
mgk22 2 weeks ago
@mgk22: Well in that case you are just an emo guy who thinks make-up + conversations about scars = cool. Whatever you are, you're not a REAL fan.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Sorry but Jack's joke was all about revenge which is not what the ORIGINAL joker was about.....yes Mr. Tim burton fanboy he did not kill batman's parents
So take your Jack is more faithful bull shit and shove it ^_^ lol
The joker was batman's arch nemesis was because they were the polar opposite of eachother (ying and yang)
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Dude, you should really take your head out of Ledger's butt because your brain (as if you had one) is obviously not getting oxygen. You have no respect for logic.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism And how am I being disrespectful? can you give 1 good reason? because as far as I am concerned as much insults you give me your the one the qualifies for all of em :)
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Are you going to answer my questions or are you going to just play the victim ? Tell me, was I right when I said that you're into crappy nu-metal bands ? : P
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
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@Fantezism Sorry but Jack's joke was all about revenge which is not what the ORIGINAL joker was about.....yes Mr. Tim burton fanboy he did not kill batman's parents
So take your Jack is more faithful bull shit and shove it ^_^ lol
The joker was batman's arch nemesis was because they were the polar opposite of eachother (ying and yang)
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Im not even saying that Jack sucked just that I dont think his reflected the comic version and if you have a problem with that too bad :P
mgk22 2 weeks ago
@mgk22: A real fan knows that Ledger's performance couldn't be further away from the comics. So you're not a fan.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@mgk22: And just for the record..I hate Nicholson.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism If anyone here is not a real fan its you anyone who read the comics knows that Jacks isnt that much like the real joker from the comics
mgk22 2 weeks ago
@mgk22: Which comics are you talking about ? In case you didn't know the Joker went through many transformations, but none of them come anywhere close to Ledger's.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@mgk22: Only someone who has NEVER read the comics would think Ledger's version is truer to the comics. Does the Joker dye his hair green in the comics and wear stupid make-up ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism You havent read the comics because then you would know that the first appearance of the joker did dye his hair and wear make up read his first apperance debut 1940 :P
mgk22 2 weeks ago
@mgk22: Actually no. He fell into a vat of chemicals, that's why he had green hair. You're such a fake :)))))
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism LMAO no he didn't....its not confirmed, Its just a "flash back" in the killing joke which the Joker character himself admits he doesn't know its his true origin
Get over yourself dude ^_^
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: And the fact that Bob Kane SUPERVIZED the first Batman production where the Joker falls into that vat of chemicals means nothing ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Ledgers IS truer to the comics dude. Jack was all about "revenge" which is not the joker. Joker was Batman's arch nemesis was because they are polar opposite of eachother
Ying and the Yang
I can name sooo many things the Heaths joker has over Jack is not even funny
Secondly you should know the bit wear joker falls into a pit of acid is not his CONFIRMED origin. :) Joker's overall origin is unknown just like heath ledgers.
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Suuure. Nevermind that Bob Kane COLLABORATED with Tim Burton when they created Nicholson's Joker. I guess you know the Joker better than Bob Kane, no ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism First off dude, Bob Kane is not the TRUE creator of batman. All he did was help with a few minor things while Bill finger both wrote and did art for batman.
Bob Kane is a hack who took credit for batman....seriously dude do your research -_-
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Actually, we do know how the Joker became the Joker. You obviously haven' read the comics.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Yes I have dude :) That little falling into a pit of acid was in a FLASH BACK of the joker then all that is negated on by the joker talking on telling batman...
"sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another...if I am going to have a past I would prefer it to be multiple choice"
So yeah don't ask me if I read the comics ;) I ask YOU if you read the comics lol
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Talking into consideration the fact that his hair is green and his ENTIRE skin pasty it's pretty obvious that he didn't lie about that specific flashback.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Except for the fact the that the acid thing is not his confirmed origin so AGAIN negated dude :)
And secondly if the acid thing is all you got to being "faithful" I can list a dozen stuff heath has over Jack that is more faithful then Jack ever was.
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Actually that quotation is useless since it's self-contradictory: if the Joker ALAWAYS lies about his past, it means he was also lying when he was making that statement.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism The Joker didn't lie "per se" because what he gave was not a straight answer and its not supposed to be straight because the joker doesn't remember anything. Secondly the joker not knowing his past is way more plausible because it means he has nothing to lose. He can't "lie" about something he doesn't know
The comic wouldn't be worth reading if the whole thing was based on a "lie"
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: If that wasn't a straight answer it means it wasn't reliable and you shouldn't have used it to contradict me.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Its not a straight answer in "context" not in terms of being unreliable information.....The joker is just saying he doesn't know his past
Sometimes he remembers himself falling in a pit of acid....sometimes another way
If he is going to have a past, he prefers it to be multiple choice.
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: He doesn't say he doesn't remember his past, he says he's having trouble doing it. Not the same thing.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Dude he didn't say he has trouble remembering his past, he said out loud he doesn't know ZILCH about it
Which is why he makes up his own past constantly
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: He didn't say that, he said that ”sometimes he remembers it in a way, other times in a different way ”. That doesn't mean he's suffering from amnesia.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism But none of them have been confirmed....even by him
Which only confirms he literally knows nothing dude. :/
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: What part of ” The character guide confirms that the fell into a vat of toxic waste” don't you understand ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism What part your character guide is unreliable do you not understand? I can argue Deadpool was canadian because Sources from marvel say he is, however in the comics it tells A LOT differently.
And again what part of the "falling into acid bit" is not his confirmed origin do you not understand?
Let it go dude -_-
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: So what the PUBLISHING house has to say is unreliable, but the wishful thinking of a Ledger fanboy is ? Riiiiiiight !
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Indeed I would say yes to that, because I own and read more material then your supposed publishing house has seemed to have taken note on.
Yes I will say it is unreliable ;)
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: But you see..the PUBLISHING HOUSE that issued the comics say he fell into a vat of chemicals. And Bob Kane worked at Bat89 where the Joker falls into the vat.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
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@xam10000hehe: What part of ” The character guide confirms that the fell into a vat of toxic waste” don't you understand ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: And we don't know whether he was just joking or being serious when he made that statement. You need more evidence to be sure about something that the Joker said.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Except the whole comic was a revolved 2 things
Him proving that 1 bad day can drive a person crazy
and him pointing out he doesn't know his past (there were flash backs all over in the book) They would not set up ENTIRE story for nothing. -_-
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: He didn't say he had ABSOLUTELY NO MEMORY of his past. The PUBLISHING HOUSE disagrees with you. Period.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: And in Batman 89 the Joker falls into the vat. And Bob Kane worked with Burton to make the movie.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: And what makes you think he has TOTALLY forgotten his past ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism 2 reasons....
1 Because its cannon to the original comic series
2 Its also is more plausible
The Joker even for a liar never gives a straight answer to ANYTHING in his life.
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Heath's Ledger is just a emo-punk version of the Joker. Judging by your avatar, you're into bands like Slipknot, so it makes sense that you should preferLedger's Joker.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism So you judge people just by looks alone
DAMN your incredibly biased (._.' )
I read my share of comics mr. lolcow I am not some "wanna be" fan like you ;) And again Heaths Joker is not emo, because again we don't know shit on how he got those scares.
He lies several time :/
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Is that your way of confirming the fact that I was right when I said you're into crappy bands like Slipknot ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism I barely listen to slip knot, in fact my taste is with all music bands...and no dude your FAR from being in the "right" -_-
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: My question wasn't how much you listen to those bands, I only asked you whether you listened to them, and the answer is yes.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Yeah I only have 1 song out of the slipknot....its not even my favorite band
It doesn't define who I am.
Which is why again you don't know me :/
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Oh yeah, sorry. Your fav band must be Manson. That explains why you're a sucker for guys in make-up.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism And whats your favorite band? The same one that invented "trust"? ^_^ LMAO
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism The Heath ledger joker is not even "emo" for the simple fact is we don't even know where he got the scare because he lies in every story he gives.
First its his father, and then he did it...nobody knows
We will tell so call FAKE batman fans what is what because Ledger is more faithful to to the original joker then Jack ever was
Fact
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: But he does wear make-up and TALK about how he got his scars and his clothing is pretty emo if you ask me. His normal appearance reminds me of Tokio Hotel and without his make-up he looks like Joan Rivers. That said, there's not a drop of originality in Ledger's Joker, he reminds me of anyone else BUT the actual Joker. And the fact that he's sticking his tongue out on cue pisses me off. And the way he smears on his lipstick makes him look like he has a moustache.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism See what your doing is point all the NEW stuff about ledger's joker instead of pointing out the nodds to the original joker which ledger does VERY well
secondly I don't know whats emo about the purple coat joker wears as I recall I have seen the original joker wear something along those lines in the comics as well
(he has worn several designs)
All your complaining about is the new stuff and not the original stuff that makes him the "Joker"
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Im complaining about the new stuff cause it sucks. Scars + talking about scars + makeup + dyed hair = emo. If the new stuff didn't suck, I wouldn't be complaing about it.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
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xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
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@Fantezism First off dying hair is not emo that is a punk thing or occasional thing
When he talks about his scars he is lying about his past which Joker DOES ALOT to either his victims or doctors at Arkham Asylum which is why Harely Quinn was corrupted. And again we do not know how he got those scares
In story he says he did it, then the next he says his father did it
We don't know
And again your not referencing the original stuff which makes him closer to the original then Jack
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism You know what's funny? You go as far as to go into Dark Knight videos to call Ledger's Joker an emo. Why did he die his hair green? Didn't you see The Joker's intro into the movie. He removed his mask to show himself why simply saying "I believe, that whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you.. Stranger" So it's obvious he suffered a huge tragedy that snapped his mind. Nolan didn't want to focus on the origins of The Joker, just the RISE of The Joker.
SinisterSnake95 3 weeks ago
@SinisterSnake95: And just for the record, I hate Nicholson. He reminds me of Rosie O'Donnel for some reason.
Fantezism 3 weeks ago
@Fantezism No unleashing chaos IS something typical for the joker. The joker stands out from the rest of batman's villains because he is unpredictable.
He mostly does if because it amuses him
Seriously what do you think the Joker does? cliche Rob banks because he wants money? No joker is not like that...yeah the burton films tried to pull off his craziness but its tamed. Heaths Joker is more of the form of the original.
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: You are just repeating the same statement ignoring the fact that it's wrong. The comic book Joker didn't wear make-up, and he had a sense of humor, unlike Ledger's.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Yeah and I can counter with the fact that the Joker did not kill batman's parents, he wasn't all FULL BLOWN "revenge"
And again the Acid origin is not his confirmed origin.....I only repeat myself because you repeat yourself back. You see what I am telling you IS fact, while yours is just lack of knowledge of the batman fandom in general.
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: So, how do you defend the fact that your quotation from the Joker is unreliable because it's self-contradictory ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Whats contradictory about it? I am starting to think your just pull shit out your ass now lol
But then again thats where your "source" of information comes from so I am not surprised ;) LMAO
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: ” I'm always lying about my past ”. If that statement is true, it means everything I say about my past is unrealiable, including the statement which I have just made.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
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xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Now you have to prove that a) he wasn't lying/exaggerating when he made that statement and b) the things he remembered differently include the chemical vat incident.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: And since google is your best friend, did you know that the publication that issued the comics confirmed that Joker fell into that vat of chemicals before losing it ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Google ”Who's Who in the DC universe”. It's an official guide to every DC comic book character. It confirms that the Joker fell into a vat of toxic waste.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Dude those sites are unreliable....That would be like me saying Deadpool is Canadian because I looked it up on the Marvel website. when clearly if you read the comics he isn't.
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: I am talking about a character guide that was issued in 87 (if I remember correctly) by the same publishing house that issued the comics.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism You should also note the comic "The Killing joke" were the joker admitted he doesn't know his true past came out in 1988.
There is no excuse dude....none
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: He doesn't say he has no idea what his past is. He just says he has difficulty remembering. That doesn't allow you to infer he has NO IDEA about what happened to him.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Yes he does dude....If he unable to figure out anything about his origin then he clearly doesn't know anything. -_-
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: No, he says he sometimes remembers things in a way, and other times in another way. That doesn't mean he has ZERO memories about his past.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: And he may have been joking/lying when he made that statement. You need MORE THAN ONE statement to decide what's true and what's not.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Um no I don't dude because the ENTIRE story revolves around it ^_^ LMAO
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: So, let's see. The Publishing House says he fell into the vat. The movie Kane supervized has him fall into the vat. Shall I trust them or one of Ledger's fanboys ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Don't trust me dude....Trust whats in the comics
Not from some strange publishing house that claims weird info -_-
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: But the PUBLISHING HOUSE that issued that guide is also the one that issued the comics. And nowhere in the comics does the Joker say he has ZERO memories about his past.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism The panel is all over youtube and on the internet dude
Its in the killing joke, its one of the great gems of DC comics
and your going to trust a phoney publishing house?
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: The only phony here is you. IT'S THE SAME PUBLISHING HOUSE THAT ISSUED THE COMICS.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Then why don't they quote everything that is cannon? Especially IMPORTANT cannon material? Looks like your publishing house is a shame ;)
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: You're just picking nits.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Nah your just drawing straws at this point ^_^
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Hey, I'm not the one basing his entire case on one ambiguous quote and ignoring what Bob Kane and the Publishing House that issued the comics have to say.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism First off Bob Kane is not the creator of Batman, Bill Finger is. Bob Kane had minimal involvement in batman except for giving him his "name" Batman
And Bill finger and Jerry Robinson created the Joker
But if you ask Bob Kane this 10 years age before he died he'll never tell you this. The reason Bob Kane has the rights to batman is because bought a copyright of them which he had no involvement in creation of.
He is creation snatching, money whore....That is all he is. -_-
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Bob Kane knows more about Batman and therefore is more reliable than your regular Ledger fanboy.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Thats right plug your ears Bob Kane dick sucker even though he did not create batman.
Bill finger is the true creator of Batman
And Jerry Robinson is the true creator of Joker
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: ...you're digressing. We weren't talking about who contributed the most to the development of the Batman franchise. We were talking about whose word is more reliable.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Most impostantly, I'm not the Ledger fanboy who's licking his idol's behind like it's ice-cream. The Publishing House has the final word on this matter. Period.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Also I am not delusional "wanna be" that picks up unreliable info from the publishing house and thinks its fact when as I said before its unreliable info -_-
The REAL info is in the comics
Stop kicking a dead horse, its not going to get you anywhere :)
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: There is nothing in the comics that supports your views (other than an ambiguous quote that has more than one interpretation) and the Publishing House that took part in the making of the comics will obviously know more about the comics it issued than a regular Ledger fanboy whose only inention is to make his idol look good. The PUBLISHING HOUSE is ”more official” than fan no. 235246 (that's you).
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Yeah other then the fact everything I brought up is THERE in the comics and I have mentioned more then that 1 quote that you insist arguing about
Stop kicking a dead horse XD
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: That ambiguous quote, which can have more than one meaning and whose accuracy is questionable, is the only thing you brought up.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism First off the quote is not controversal
simply put "he doesn't know his past" if he didn't why would he have such a self-destructive view? He has nothing to lose
Secondly we talked about the "Joker" in all sorts of topics regarding the character, just read the rest of the comments or you willing to ignore everything because your unable to argue? ;)
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: It is because we don't know whether it was made in jest or to what extent it's true (if it's true). It could be a joke, an exaggeration or a lie.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism They would never build up an ENTIRE story to come to the conclusion of the quote only to have it be "lie" as you put it, other wise it would be waste.
Secondly what makes your joker more faithful aside from the looks department? -_- Can you give 1 little legit criticism of his character?
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: The only one who went with the assumption the Joker was an amnesiac is Nolan, that's because he didn't care about the comics. I have made many valid points to which you are just unable to retort simply because you are basing your entire case an an ambiguous quote and ignoring evertyhing else that contradicts your position.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Other way around dude....Your the one ignoring facts
He was like that in the comics and its proven
Nolands been very faithful. Nothing you said contradicts my position
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xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Again, you are repeating your statements again and again and again. You have no official sources to back up your interpretation of that quote.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
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xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
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@Fantezism I am only repeating them because your repeating yourself :)
I tell it "how it is" because its concrete fact dude.
Either you accept it or ur just in delusion plain and simple
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: You're the only one here unable to argue because you're cherry picking what seems to confirm your ideas while ignoring everything else that contradicts your position.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism No dude your only quoting one little line that seems to defeat your argument instead on focusing on the other stuff we talk about the Joker character :/
Your all "this is factual (when it is not) and you have no say"
Don't work that way :) Don't attempt to act like you know what your talking about.
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: What the PUBLISHING HOUSE says = official. What a Ledger fanboy says = unreliable.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Sorry little boy if the PUBLISHING HOUSE denies anything cannon and goes by flash backs that are unknown even to the Joker then they are unreliable.
Stop kicking dead horses :)
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: The Publishing House doesn't deny anything cannonical, it just denies your interpretations, which are obviously wrong.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism sorry but my so called "Interpretations" are cannon so that already proves its unreliable :)
Negated dude
Again stop kicking a dead horse ^_^ LOL
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Just because the thing you're interpreting is cannon doesn't mean that your interpretations are cannon too. I can interpret the Joker's statement in more than one way.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
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xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: No, it doesn't state it. That's YOUR interpretation. The fact that the Publisher has a different interpretation shows that you misunderstood the whole thing.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Yes it does dude
It. is. in. the. comics.
Do not ignore it
Your saying your not ignoring anything "cannon" yet your doing that right now LMAO
See dude? You can't argue :D
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Your ”cannon” is just your set of misconceptions that you back up with amiguous quotations whose accuracy is doubtful. What else can I expect from a Ledger fanboy ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Its not a misconception because I understand PERFECT grammar thank you very much you on the other hand haven't back anything up except lame excuses
Do you have ANYTHING? :)
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: I can reformulate the sentence as ” My memories differ in many respects, I enjoy having more than one past”. Your interpretation really sucks.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism This come back makes no sense.
In english your saying "I have amnesia, but I enjoy having more then one past" which is what he says
Does it disprove what I explained? No
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Amnesia = lack of any memory. He doesn't state that he doesn't have any memories, he states that his memories conflict in some respects.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
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@Fantezism Its not an "interpetation" That is how the book DIRECTLY states it
but again your just deny it left and right with its exaggearation when I could again counter that too. :/
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: I explained why Ledger's Joker stinks. The fact that he's wearing make-up and dyes his hair green and talks about his scars makes him come across like an emo kid. He has no sense of humor, he wouldn't be able to crack a joke if his life depended on it. His lipstick looks like a moustache, his costume, in combination with his make-up and would-be madman persona, is 100% emo. And he's HORRIBLY overrated. Want me to continue the list ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
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xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism And I explained your complaining about the NEW characteristics instead of reoncizing the original characteristics. I told how he wasn't emo in previous comments
so whats next?
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: You just denied my observations without explaining why I was wrong. You are either repeating your statements or just denying mine.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism there is only so much I can explain with "175 characters" dunno why
I am only repeating because your repeating dude.
My previous comments are still there. Look at em
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: You are repeating them because you have no evidence for your interpretations. I place more confidence in what the Publishing House says, for obvious reasons.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism No evidence? its in the friggin book
Batman: The Killing Joke
Look it up its one of the BIG gems of DC comics
Sweet fucking odin are you in delusion? (._.' )
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: ..we're not talking about the book, we're talking about the way you're interpeting that quote from the book.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: What is your proof that the Joker didn't lie when he made that statement ? The Publishing House's character guide indicates that he did, or at least exaggerated.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism See there you ya go again another lame excuse
They would not build an ENTIRE of story up to come to the conclusion of the quote only to have it be "lie" it would be a waste.
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: I'm just doing what you're doing: interpreting things only the way I want so that they will fit with my misconceptions. If you can do it, why shouldn't I do it too ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism No the difference with me and you is what I am providing is not a "interpretation" it is how the book DIRECTLY states it.
You however make lame excuses to deny the SOURCE.
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Nowhere in the comics does the Joker say ” I don't know squat about what happened to me in the past !”. You're just twisting his quote to make it fit with your ideas.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another. If I am going to have a past I prefer to be multiple choice"
In english it means he doesn't know jack about his origin.
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Actually that quote proves that he REMEMBERS but that his memories sometimes differ. In no way does it enable you to infer he doesn't remember anything. Reread please.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Except for the fact NONE of those memories are even familiar to him but lets say if they were why haven't they clued him in?
It only shows he hasn't clue what his origin is -_-
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Memories, by definition, are familiar to the person who has them. You can't remember something that didn't happen, you know.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Maybe they HAVE clued him in and the account he gives of his past in The Killing Joke is essentially true ?
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism If he is willing to debunk his flash backs with "sometimes I remember is one way sometimes another" only shows he ain't sure of anything he predicts
Wanna trust his flash backs?
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: I can assume that his flashbacks differ in minor details and that they are essentially true. As you can see, the quote is ambiguous and has more than just 1 interpretation
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@xam10000hehe: Fact is, the publishing house that issued those comics is ”more official” than a Ledger fanboy. I can't just IGNORE it.
Fantezism 2 weeks ago
@Fantezism Yes you can for the simple fact it is 100% not official :)
I have proven this several dozen times....
xam10000hehe 2 weeks ago