False famine photos spark scandal

[marika19502011]

HOLODOMOR HAPPENED. IT WAS INTENTIONAL GENOCIDE BY STALIN, THE RUSSIAN COMMUNIST LEADER. IT WAS MURDER IN THE WORST FORM. A TRUE CRIME. RUSSIAN ARE AND WERE LIARS, KILLERS AND SOUL-LESS MONSTERS.

[MiddletownDreamz]

This is a deliberate propaganda disinformation campaign, either by incompetents or agents provocateurs within the SBU or by FSB infiltrators who are spreading the disinformation in an attempt to discredit the Holodomor and vindicate Stalinism/socialism/communism.

[IustitiaPax]

I fear this may be true. But Vladimir Putin seems now a Russian Orthodox, and his KGB past and speeches were more about Russia's world-wide influence, than about Marxist economics and Marxist atheism and immorality. So I do not understand. Or is the FSB (KGB) in Moscow Russia still trying to defend Marxism-Leninism? Felix Dzerzhinsky sadly was honoured by Putin and the FSB. Like Yagoda, a large criminal. Like Lazar Kaganovich. Communism is hell.

[CraxiaI666]

You lying shit, leave the US and go back to your "ukraine", stop living on western welfare.

[NationalPopularism]

@MiddletownDreamz you are idiot! Holodomor was just as much of a lie as the Holocaust

[VictorWasechkin]

a simple question: if Holodomor is a fact, then what's the need to borrow the pics from the American Holodomor of the G.Depression (a proven fact)?

[VictorWasechkin]

As for America and the Genocide during the G.Depression, well, there are facts proving that the banking crisis was planned deliberately, and the indirect killing of population is a fact. Those related to the banker's families (JP Morgan, Rockefeller and other fascists) should be trialed. Maybe in a Russian court. lol

[IustitiaPax]

The banking crisis and financial crises are made artificially only partially, as emotions cannot be controlled. Are the Rothschilds and Rockefellers fascists? They funded Israeli statehood in 1948. And the same people funded the Communist Party and the Bolshevist Revolution in 1917. The same American bankers.

The same Soviet Marxists (Kaganovich, Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Yagoda) whom you try to defend by denying the historical fact of the Holodomor genocide.

[VictorWasechkin]

you demonstrate intentionally broken logic here: I do not deny that the Jewish gang of Lenin and his friends were sponsored by German and American fascists to weaken the Russian economy and power. Their plan was effective for 80 years, but no longer.

But I would not put Stalin in this line, and Rockefellers have nothing to do with Stalin's politics. As for Holodomor, well, give any reliable sources for me to research. Appreciated.

[IustitiaPax]

You have a weird logic: Czarist nationalism and monarchism, antisemitic stereotypes, and just then calling Jewish bankers from New York "Fascists". "Fascist" is a 1920s word from the internationalist Marxists for those ex-Marxists who became Nationalist Solidarians. And for Benito Mussolini (and ex-Marxist) nationalist Fascist Party of Italy. National-socialists (nazi) and Capitalists or Bankers (USA) are not "fascists". You use Soviet terms. Fascism was only in Italy and Rijeka (Istria).

[VictorWasechkin]

Fascists are those who use corporation power to dominate on the domestic political sphere, and then expand outward. Such was the German IG Farben, American JP Morgan and Morgan-backed Council on Foreign Relations with various organizations controlled by its members and their families. This is the definition, no Soviet terms.

The same corporate fascism exists in USA until now, as the grand son of Prescott Bush who collaborated with the Nazis has recently been a president.

[IustitiaPax]

Fascists? What you call "fascists" are in fact Plutocrats. The German IG Farben was one of them, but the Nazis in whole combatted plutocracy and made industries serve German war effort. But nepotism and friendly politics destroyed this socialist element of Nazism. CFR is another thing, from the current Globalists and the New World Order. Bush did not collaborate after December 14, 1941. That is anti-American modern propaganda. As if selling to Germany was a crime always. Stalin was better?!

[VictorWasechkin]

'Bush did not collaborate after 1941' yaa, Allen Dulles removed almost all the traces, but the family still exists. JP Morgan is the same. And IG Farben factories were not bombed (just a little bit) - this was after 1941 anyway.

There's something you miss in your logic.

[IustitiaPax]

I know IG Farben was not bombed. Auschwitz was not bombed either. Even though the Allies received Jewish World Congress allegations of gas chamber exterminations, the American espionage and Army was not convinced. And IG Farben was, like Standard Oil (EXXON now), in Rockefeller hands. The Rockefellers who provided Nazis ánd Soviets with their oil. They bettet on both horses: Stalin ánd Hitler.

[IustitiaPax]

You have fallen into the Greater Russian modern re-edition of Josif Stalin's past and politics. Stalin was an internationalist Marxist and was with the Trotsky, Yagoda etc. gang all the time. Stalin was married to a Kaganovich, and Lazar M. Kaganovich (Jewish) was his right hand. Jews held crucial positions in the Soviet empire under Stalin. Only from 1948-1953 did he suffer from anti-Zionist paranoia. He feared Israeli spies. Nothing more. Stalin was Marxist like Trotsky. And evil murderer!

[VictorWasechkin]

"Only from 1948-1953 did he suffer from anti-Zionist paranoia" What dos it mean? Are you zionist?

After establishing the state of Israel in 1947, why should Stalin let the Jews rule the country? They have got their land :) lol

Soon after, Jews started terror wars around, although it was Stalin who helped them during 1947 conflict, sending them aircrafts and weapons.

[IustitiaPax]

Who covered up the Holodomor (a historical fact, a planned famine genocide for Ukrainians, kulaks, Cossacks and Christian clergy) in the U.S. and Western media? Jewish Marxist editors from the New York Times.

Stalin's right hand until 1953 was Lazar Kaganovich. Not Beria. Yenrik Yagoda was also prominent. Stalin became more 'national Communism in Russia', but was forced by internat. finance (who also supported Hitler in 1929) to wage war and internationalize the Marxist Revolution in East Eu

[VictorWasechkin]

Holodomor is not a fact until the proofs are presented. Since you give no references, only some zionist outcries, it seems you are just another agent of american propagandist machine.

If Stalin was forced by internat. finance to wage wars, then why not to vlame the same JP Morgans and Allen Dulles for Holodomor?

[IustitiaPax]

Zionist? Zionists do not recognize the Holodomor genocide against Ukrainians, Cossacks and Christianity.

I am not American, nor Zionist.

You are brainwashed into Soviet categories. I also condemn the American bankers who financed Soviet marxism and Lenin's revolution. Russian and Kalmuk men, but American trucks and cannons helped Stalin win the war. And continue Communist tyranny. I am not anti-American, but I am anti-Roosevelt, anti-globalist divide-and-conquer lies.

[VictorWasechkin]

The matter is that if there are facts proving Holodomor - present it please, all the other things are a kin of irrelevant, zionist or not, conspiracy or stalinist.

[IustitiaPax]

The Holodomor is a fact. I do not want to push a particular number of casualties among Ukrainians. It must be between 6.2 million and 9 million. 11 million seems exaggerated. Cossacks were decimated, kulaks (also ethnic Russians from Crimea and Volgograd region) and Christian clergy may have made up the other 2 million. The famine was there. But also GULAGS and Cheka/OGPU mass executions of Christian and Ukrainian politicians and their families.

[VictorWasechkin]

are there are source upon which these accusations can be based?

[IustitiaPax]

The Holodomor is clearly documented by population estimates and statistics.

Some false photos do not "refute" the fact that the Holodomor took place.

Of course it is wrong to blame the Russian people for the Holodomor. The Holodomor is a fact. Done by internationalist Marxists from 1931-1934 - by Kaganovich and Yagoda, NOT by Russian Slavic nationalists. And allowed by Stalin silently. I do not understand why Russians admire the Georgian-Ossetian criminal Stalin?!! Holodomor is denied

[VictorWasechkin]

"The Holodomor is clearly documented by population estimates and statistics" - give me the links to the original sources please, or the archived materials.

[IustitiaPax]

The Zionists, the Israeli government, denies the Holodomor facts, because: 1) Kaganovich was Jewish and Henrik Yagoda was pro-Zionist; 2) because they think the Holodomor disproves The Holocaust or means that the Holocaust is no longer the only genocide of a people. Israel denies the Holodomor.

The Holodomor and the Ukrainian secret service are not Zionist inventions therefore.

The "1930s famine" was a planned Marxist Genocide against Ukrainian Christians and nationalists. Why deny?

[VictorWasechkin]

all you mention is INDIRECT accusations. It cannot serve as a proof for a case unless you present a direct evidence or documents. You are trying to put together the fact of famine in the USSR and some hidden interests not outlined explicitly (hypothesis). It'd be stupid to target famine at "Christians and nationalists" as if Ukraine was populated only by this sort of 'enemies' lol. Famine was not only in Ukr. And tell how to distinguish nationalists in the East Ukraine that's always been loyal?

[IustitiaPax]

It is all in the official KGB archives, still not uncovered and not yet published. The Holodomor was planned against 'insurgents'. The eastern Ukrainians were loyal to the Czar and to unity with greater Russia of Moscow, but also Orthodox Christians and anti-Communist at heart. Other regions also starved by famine? Yes: the Cossack regions and other White Movement former areas.

[VictorWasechkin]

official KGB archives, haha. still not uncovered and not yet published.

so it means that unable to present me now any proofs, you prefer to blame KGB for all the mythic evils you could ever imagine!

I can also refer to CIA uncovered archives that prove it was all planned by american government that always tried to compromise KGB, but all in vain :)

Again, your accusations are groundless. Reason: no proofs PRESENTED.

[IustitiaPax]

All statistics prove it. Even Communist Western European parties mentioned the Holodomor, and were worried about it! Not morally, but Levi Goldmann for instance asked himself, whether Communism could be succesful, if it already now committed "these crimes". Are you a Communist? Are you a Soviet? Or are you a Russian Monarchist or Patriot? The Western conservatives do not hate the Russian patriots and monarchists. I love the Russian people and its Ancient culture. But I condemn Marxism-Leninism!

[VictorWasechkin]

"All statistics prove it". Please spare me this bs. we all know how statistics is made. Show me the ORIGINAL docs, and that's all.

Recently on BBC i watched some French Communist being interviewed, and as soon as they again raise the question, Communism is not about killings, it's an abstract theory of how to live together in 1 community.

And i just don't care about the west, Oswald Spengler wrote a lot about the convulsions of dying west. rest in peace.

the news world is mine :)

[IustitiaPax]

So you sympathize with Communism? Then you are not a real Russian, but a Soviet Marxist.

I bet you deny the Holodomor took place.

Oswald Spengler never wanted Marxism, but rather Christianity and Europe.

The Holodomor is a fact. I do not understand why Russians deny it. Is the Soviet denial propaganda still in their heads? The demographical statistics all prove the Holodomor. The one "Russian" region hurt, was the Kuban: Holodomor against Cossacks also!

[VictorWasechkin]

well, again.

i bet you never cite any original sources that would prove your biased POV. Why biased? Because you have no proves but base everything on indirect insinuations.

Demographical statistics? Show the sources. just show the sources and the issuer of the statistics.

As for Communism, I support the theory on the theoretic level, and primitive Greek and Spartan democracy has much in common with Communism.

[IustitiaPax]

The Holodomor is well documented. Just investigate.

But as you are an adherent of the perfidious sect of Marxism clearly, and dare insult ancient Greek democracy by insinuating a similarity, I will not discuss any more.

You are a Communist theoretically. Communists are not objective, not scientific. True Russians are anti-communist!

[MiddletownDreamz]

Not only that, but the famine also affected southern Russia such as Kuban' where many Ukrainians lived as well as the old Cossack areas of the Don and Lower Volga. Those Russians and others who resisted collectivization perished as well. We need not forget that Kazakhstan also suffered a famine: one million perished ,nearly a quarter of the population. The famine-holodomor was but one feature of the genocide that took place in the USSR at this time.

[IustitiaPax]

This is true. But the Kuban region held large numbers of (mostly anti-Communist, and very Russian Orthodox Christian) Cossacks and Ukrainians. The Holodomor was part a larger orchestrated famine Genocide targetting "enemies of the People" (enemies of the Marxist-Leninist "paradise" state). The Soviet Marxists committed numerous genocides. Also mass murder under Lenin and Trotsky.

[IustitiaPax]

The entire Russian Bolshevik Revolution and the construction of the Soviet Union in the 1920s was financed by international bankers in London and New York. The same dynasty of Rothschild and others (Kuhn & Loeb & Co.) who also harboured Karl Marx in the 1800s. Capitalism, usury and Marxism are two sides of the same materialist dialectic medal.

I am a horizontal corporatist and solidarist, with a European Christian approach. With subsidiarity in democracy.

[VictorWasechkin]

what kind of democracy, monarchical? :)

[IustitiaPax]

Democracy on a low level, like in medieval Switzerland and in ancient Athens. The problem is that Parliamentarian nation-state democracy and elections are particracy and cause anger among the people, who think a political elite is profiting from them. I am pro-democracy. Real democracy indeed. But also pro-monarchy and pro-aristocracy. I am against decadency and anti-oligocracy and plutocracy. No decadent money aristocracy, but aristocracy by virtue - as monks are the aristocrats of the Church

[Velaspulvers]

Russian TV again are making farce out of human tragedy once again!

[VictorWasechkin]

the tragedy is false photos.

[MiddletownDreamz]

It looks like the 5-a kolonna is at it again. In order to discredit the Holodomor attempts are beingmade to use photographs from the Great Depression to highlight the Holodomor. This is a deliberate disinformation campaign to discredit Stalin's crimes. Famine took place in parts of the RSFSR and Kazakhstan as well. It is up to those governments to commemorate the deaths of their ancestors in their own way. Ukraine has taken the initiatve despite attempts to sabotage it.

[Teenagefreedomfightr]

Those were very commonly recognizable pictures from our (The U.S.'s) great depression. That does not distract from the problems of the past though. I think Russia (and most nations for that matter on matter topics) should do what the German's do. Recognize, understand and learn from the past and use the knowledge of the wrongs to move forward and work on getting things right.

[XorLavir]

>Recognize, understand ...

After US, please.

Recognise, understand and learn that the Great Depression was a genocide against american people.

[Teenagefreedomfightr]

I intentionally noted the fallibility of all nation on the matter. I am a US citizen and I also share dissidence for our past. Although even if you consider the great depression an intentional mass murder/starvation it still would not be a genocide...

Please read the comment before you lash out, it was indifferent toward nations.

[XorLavir]

>the great depression an intentional mass murder/starvation it still would not be a genocide...

Exactly! The same thing with so called holodomor. Nobody says that there is no famine, it was, but that wasn't holodomor against ukrainians. Everybody were starving those times and not only in the Ukraine. The weakness of current Ukrainian regime makes them to support and promote some myths.

[Teenagefreedomfightr]

Well I believe the term holodomor is actually derived from Ukrainian, am I correct? I can not speak for the truth behind theories to intentional starvation to cause a drop in Ukraine nationalism, although I think we can agree that the Soviet Union's leadership was never exactly know for clear, peaceful, and reasonable planning. However they did know that the mass conglomeration of farms would cause at least short term food shortages, as they had run into the same problem in the past.

[XorLavir]

>holodomor is actually derived from Ukrainian, am I correct

Nope, that doesn't mean "famine", it has meaning of killing someone by starving.

So they just promote this as a fact, they show kids those false photoes, tell everyone about "fact". But there is no single fact about genocide. If guys from US will use the same logic they can call the great depression a genocide. That is insanity. Current financial crisis? Genocide! Holodomor!

[zombieseezombiedo]

Since the christening of Russia about 1 billion Slavs have been killed in wars, famines, persecutions and such. In addition artificial differences have been instilled amongst slaves in different regions. Fuck the people in charge! Bosnia, Belorussia, Monte Negro, Poland, Russia, Serbia Slovenia and the rest of Slavs should Unite, fuck the European Union in the ass; the way they like it, and work towards restoring their historic place as rulers of all lands. Slaves & Aryans are the chosen people!

[mikkitiny]

no wonder. the present authorities, ukrainian political elite and ukrainian president Uschenko are so amoral and non-professional! the only thing they can do is lying, lying, and lying.

[VictorWasechkin]

actually, there is a need to study American domestic terror and famine during the Great Depression. I saw researches proving that millions died due to fascist actions by the US Government

[IustitiaPax]

There was no deliberate policy to exterminate American farmers. Never.

The Holodomor was planned by the Marxists under Stalin and Lenin.

[IustitiaPax]

It is proof of immature behaviour to deny the historical fact of the Holodomor.

Of course the estimated number of Ukrainians murdered by Kaganovich and the CPSU Soviet Marxist gangs and Yagoda's OGPU and Cheka, can be criticized. But it is less evil if 7 million instead of 11 million Ukrainians were starved??!!!

Marxism is evil. Only Communists spread Holodomor denial!

However I do not want 'denial laws' like those in Germany and Israel against Shoah denial. They are immature too.

[VictorWasechkin]

you are wrong . Communists never did spread Holocost denial. Who spread this approach is first of all Jews, non-Zionist Orthodox Jews such as Naturei Karta. You should distinguish clearly between zionist pro-Hitler Jews (siding with Hitler during the WWII) and other Jews. Otherwise you are just ignorant.

[mikkitiny]

first, accuse your own ukrainian leaders, ukrainian NKVD. what Cheka? are you totally illiterate? you definitely are, because only illiterate farmers and urban lumpens support Uschenko's delirious ideas. he capitalizes on those ideas by getting western support, funds, and undulgence for whatever lie he sais and whatever crime he does. recently, he got deprived of his personal trough-gas dealer RosUkrEnergo was excluded from russian-ukrainian gas agreement. Uschenko is in shock.

[IustitiaPax]

Why is Russia worried? It was Marxists who committed the TRUE FACT of the Holodomor.

Only Communists deny the Holodomor. But why Russians? It was mostly non-Russians but internationalists who organized the industrial mass murder of the Holodomor 1931-1934.

Holodomor caused anti-communism in Free Europe at that time.

Despite brutal and insane denial by the New York Times and other papers. Why is Russia denying? I like Russians, but not murderous Communism.

[cheburashka1326]

From what I understand there are 2 problems for Russia in the idea of holodomor. First given the revival of soviet ideology in Russia it is very inconvenient to remember the communist horror on any level, russian government prefers to represent soviet history as "necessary evil". Second part I happened to agree with - holodomor was not limited or specifically directed at Ukraine - it was directed at individual farmers. Ukraine just happened to have more of them, due to good agricultural soil.

[IustitiaPax]

The Holodomor not only targetted kulaks. The Ukrainian nation and its Christianity and nationalism were the focus of this planned Soviet Genocide.

Of course more groups were victims: kulaks, Orthodox and Greek Catholic clergy, Cossacks.

Cossacks suffered a lot too.

It was the supreme evil of Marxism and its fanaticism at work.

No respect for human rights.

Господь тебя благослови

[lrost33]

You're all wrong. There was no goal to kill ppl, the goal was to extract a certain amount of grain for exports to support forced industrialisation. I've read Stalin/Kaganovich correspondence of that period, it was published in Russia. They even reduced the planned amount to prevent hunger, apparently that wasn't enough.

[cheburashka1326]

We all do respect but there is no evidence for Ukrainian nation being targeted or its Christianity , at least no more than it was done to Russians and their Christianity. This is is exact;y the root of the problem, since ukrainians insist it was all about them and russians trying to sweep it under the rug all together. I agree on your marxist point, but it still does not make it about ukrainians only.

[mikkitiny]

where are you, so illiterate, from?

[IustitiaPax]

The Holodomor is a historical facts.

Not only against Ukrainians, but against Christianity, kulaks, Cossacks too. Of course.

In the Ukrainian SSR the famine Genocide was orchestrated and used to tackle political resistance.

I do not understand that Russians deny it. Some numbers may be corrected by historians. But only Russian propaganda and Communists deny it. Claiming it was a "coincidence". "Coincidence" like the Armenian Genocide?

I am from the Netherlands (Holland).

[XorLavir]

>The Holodomor is a historical facts

Nope, famine is a historical fact, not holodomor. Better learn history and not papers.Once again, think better. There was starving but there is no genocide against any nationality those times. Famine was not only in the Ukraine, but also on Volga. And in the Ukraine russians has same amount of food, everyone was equal. Ushenko propaganda tells that was genocide against ukrainians, but it wasn't.

So there was no holodomor, the was famine. That is different.

[mikkitiny]

to IustitiaPax

bad for Holland. look at your posts, demagogy, rhetorics, demagogy, nothing more. could you please give us ant reliable serious reference confirming what you said? don't offer any ukrainian-canadian delirious garbage or crteations of Uschenko's *scientists*.

[VictorWasechkin]

The only thing this Golodomor conspiracy theory lacks is documentary proofs. Photos are false, the programme itself is sponsored by Britain and America via Yushenko. There was a scandal in Israel when Ukrainians tried to present them the version of history in which the antisemitist Ukrainian freedom fighters should be glorified (theory also intended to be antiRussian). There was an official protest from Israel.

[IustitiaPax]

The Holodomor is not "disproven" or "refuted' by a few false photos in some obscure exhibition in Crimea, Victor.

The Holodomor is a historical fact. The policy is documented, despite FSB-KGB security around the Soviet archives.

The Holodomor is a fact. Those Ukrainians from the Ukrainian SSR did not "emigrate to the USA".

As to Israel: they see antisemites everywhere. The UPA was anti-Polish, but not antisemitic, as they had Jewish Ukrainian speaking doctors themselves. Independent.

[IustitiaPax]

Three false photographs do not make the Holodomor less true.

Of course Ukrainians anti-Russian forces use the Holodomor.

But they forget, that it was internationalist and Stalinist Marxists of the Soviet Union (Kaganovich, Lev Kamenev, Yenrik Yagoda) who committed the Genocide against Ukrainians, Cossacks and Catholic and Orthodox clergy. Not the Russian people is guilty, but Marxism.

Ukrainians are not all anti-Russian.

The Holodomor is a fact. "Russia Today" spreads denial.

[IustitiaPax]

HOLODOMOR IS A FACT!

So three photos are from the USA Great Depression time? It is a failure and mistake to expose them. But the Holodomor remains a fact. Or are Crimean Russian Communists trying to blame US capitalism?

The Holodomor took place in isolated and Soviet-controlled Ukrainian SSR to 7 to 11 million innocent Christian Ukrainians. Few photographs survived: censorship and because Jewish New York Times denied the Holodomor back then.

But it remains A FACT.

[zekes1985]

and this didnt happen in russia???? at all ?

[LILUCKSMO80]

fuck you dirty jew

[IustitiaPax]

You have Soviet symbols, and you call me, a Catholic, a "dirty Jew"? What is that? The Holodomor, which I recognize and do not deny, was done by Jews like Kaganovich and Yagoda and others in Soviet leadership, Cheka (OGPU).

Not by Catholics, not only by Russians, not only by Georgians or Ossetians like STalin was one.

HOLODOMOR IS A HISTORICAL FACT.

Just like the genocides by Mao, Pol-Pot, Lenin and Trotsky.

I condemn Marxism. I love the Czarist Russian Empire though!

[mikkitiny]

no, *holodomor* is not historical act. it was not done on purpose just to starve to death ukrainians. only ethnic ukrainians died on Ukraine? and that *holodomor* only touched Ukraine? Not Kuban', not North Caucasus, not Kasakhstan? the famine touched all of them. why did the famine lead to so numerous deaths? the answer is complex: very harsh natural conditions (two droughts in the row); inadequate actions of authorities in the beginning of the famine; some deeds of local population.

[phfrankh]

Good work RT. reporting this growing issue,... tampering with historcal photos, film and video, in order to manipulate public opinion, which distort accurate historical events. thankyou

[IustitiaPax]

HOLODOMOR IS A FACT.

The number of casualties of Ukrainians ranges from 6 million to up to 11 million.

But also Cossacks (anti-Communist Orthodox Christians), Polish Latin Rite Catholics, and other Christian clergy were massacred, starved, deported without any nutrition by the internationalist Marxist criminals of the Soviet government and the Cheka.

It was not a Russian, but an internationalist crime against humanity. Holodomor is a fact though. Undisputable despite deniers.

[IustitiaPax]

I do not believe Sevastopol pro-Russian ethnic Russian nationalist and Russian Communist anti-Ukrainian politicians.

The Holodomor is a fact. It was a genocide against Ukrainians, against Cossacks. Of between 7 to 10 Million Ukrainian victims, or even more, in total.

The Holodomor is a true Genocide.

Like the Armenian Genocide.

The Holodomor is well-documented, and clear decrees to commit it were given. Why is KGB Putin trying to cover up the Holodomor? We do not blame Russia!

[IustitiaPax]

The Holodomor against Ukrainians, Cossacks and Christians was done by atheist Marxists from several peoples, not only by Russians at all. Russian people did not commit this, as a people.

The Holodomor is a Fact though. It was a Genocide committed by Soviet Marxists.

Moscow should not defend the Cheka of Yenrik Yagoda (predecessor of the KGB criminals)! Why do so? Russians and Ukrainians can be friends.

The Holodomor is a fact though. To deny it, is stupid!

[lrost33]

Ukrainian holodomor is extremely exagerated. It also can't be viewed as genocide cause the russians in the southern Russia suffered to the same extent. The big numbers these ppl show come dirrectly out of old western anti-commi propaganda, which manipulated the numbers for emotional effect.

[pianov83]

HOLODOMOR IS BIG FAKE

CRIMEA IS RUSSIA

[igorvasilevsky]

Damn, even this one example shows that hysteria about "holodomor" is lying propoganda, created by US, to divide Russians and Ukrainians.

FUCK USA! and FUCK USHENKO!

[dorsguy]

all famines are designed eugenics

[Rockguitarnow]

In Europe, the wealthy Jewish groups made it illegal to say any holocaust photograph is fake, even if it is fake.

[Kingnothing8585]

Damn, really? Without doing my own research, I can already guess that some of them include those heartless Rothschild's

[IustitiaPax]

The difference with so-called "Holocaust denial" is however, that denying the Holodomor (done by Marxists of the Soviet government from 1931-1934 by Henrik Yagoda and Lazar Kaganovich and Joseph Stalin and Lev Kamenev) committed by internationalists is not punishable.

You are not imprisoned for 5 years if you say "only" 2 million Ukrainians were killed. But with Holocaust Denial Laws, you are imprisoned for 5 years, even for saying 1.2 million Jews died. That is huge difference!