Is online poker rigged or fair? Real evidence. Part 1 - overview, download and import

[TheLastFraudster]

Online poker to 100% rigged. Not necessarily against anyone but cards are controlled and pre determined to juice pots and create action also to knock players out of touney's quicker lust why you will have no chance against chip leaders no matter what hand you have.

Anyone who says online poker is legit is a moron or a scumbag.

Live I've seen AA vs KK once in many yrs of playing.

Online I see AA vs KK every session sometimes more than 3 times!!

[IsPokerRigged]

@TheLastFraudster

What you are talking about are two theories of how poker could be rigged: "pot bilking" to get more rake and "coolers" where a player consistently gets hands that are too good to fold and runs them into even better hands.

As I've said before the bad beat tests in the video are just part of the puzzle and don't test either coolers or pot bilking. However, keep an eye on our website as we have been developing tests to test the frequency of coolers recently.

[TheLastFraudster]

@IsPokerRigged Well I think I'm done with Poker. A computer programme cannot be random it's a scientifically proven fact, it's code written by people and it's unbelievable what they get away with. Surely sooner or later they will be exposed!!

[teesfella]

ladbrokes powered by micro-gaming..I play 18 seater multi-tournies,every tournie lasts 1hour ,ive never seen on finish under 45 or 30 mins..rigged to the hilt..

[tampamike]

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[veerlm]

Hey! Have you read the book How to Shake the Online Poker Money Tree ? I got some awesome tips from it and now play like a shark and kick butt multi-tabling with no sweat.

[zooMZooMlikeATyphOOn]

good resource, but all they have to do is deal you losers for more concealment. for instance, you get qj vs kq on a qxx board more often than the weaker players.

[DON15673]

Who you kidding, if you still think its on the level ,you must be a slot player too,wake up and give your head a shake.

[BloodofRoyalty1]

and for the final word, the 10 bucks i turned into over 8k in 13 days, i played strictly heads up sit and goes and two 6 seater cash tables at once, all day for 13 days. no multitable tournies so dont try to say it was luck based. i know hiow to play and i know when sites are rigged. online poker is rigged.

[BloodofRoyalty1]

And the United States really can't do anything about it. If 1 site can fuck that many players out of the millions and millions of dollars they earned or invested etc. what makes you think they can regulate whether these sites deal cards legitimately. there is no way and its impossible. be very careful of bodog and party poker as i think they are owned by the same people. i'd be very careful of every single one of these sites but bodog and party poker are proveable. stay away from net poker.

[BloodofRoyalty1]

i know my post will get flamed by idiots and jerkoffs that are mostly losers in poker rooms or workers that are paid by these sites to put down these "rumors" (it's no rumor these sites are very rigged) and i don't really care about them,. then i will be called crazy or paranoid etc. save it. You can't bullshit a bullshiter. These sites are illegal. these sites are outside of the united states and these sites do not need to play fair. fulltiltpoker fucked plaeyrs out of millions of USD

[BloodofRoyalty1]

I turned $10 into over $8,000 in 13 days on Fulltiltpoker before the shutdown. I am no sucker. Bodog and partypoker are by far scam websites. I was beaten recently 12 of 14 times when it came to being outdrawn when i played perfectly to protect my hands. I should have won at least 10 to 11 of 14 and I actually only won 2 of the 14. Before you say this is a freak occurence this happened the same way on partypoker. in fact on bodog i was dealt a straight flush the first day i played, rofl.

[skaloon]

lack of empirical data should be the first clue as to the strength of the argument. First because with a large enough sample size (20,000 hands or more) one not need make any argument as the numbers will speak for themselves. But more importantly, it’s the fact that those making accusations don’t even collect hand history data which exposes a fatal flaw in their argument because nearly every serious online poker player uses a software package like PokerTracker to analyze their play.

[Krisler12]

Could you put a download link to those 1.1 Million hand history, please ?

[buzinazz]

i use to be a cry baby about sites being rigged aswell... but after prolly 50 000 hands plus its clear the bad beats are un avoidable.. i mean ive lost full boats to quads 2% on the river many of times. just gotta loose them when your bankroll is low. the key to being successful is bankroll management. and nobody has that.. i have 150$ and i still play 5$ at a time 0.5 0.10 and wont go up stakes till i hit 1k +. if i dbl my 5 3 times in 1 session but only bust once to a monster im still always +

[skaloon]

@buzinazz

ofcourse. this is what people don't understand about poker. they have no clue how to make money playing poker. they put most of their bankroll on 1 table, loose it cause of bad beat or bad play - and then shout "It's all rigged". if you don't know how to control your bankroll - you're a bad poker player. i grinded NL2 and NL5 tables for like an year before moving up the ladder and now i'm constantly making good money. poker is hard work that requires a lot of self-control.

[DRmonsterhand]

When it is not rigged how can you get in Texsas Holdem preflop the same card combination on multi tables (3-4 tables) in one time??I got K -2 or Q-8 offsuited on three different tables at once! And that is happening all the time...

[HearHelpToo]

I used a site pokerdemon .webs .com To grab some 1st deposit bonuses for 8 sites - i transfered money around till i had released 100% of the bonuses from all 8 sites. I made 1200 pounds in 10 days!!

[excthour]

iPoker Network (Titan) and Action Poker Network (Tigergaming) are definitely RIGGED below the $1/$2 cash tables. Here's how to prove it if you're a good player.

If you're a good player you could turn $50 into $250 easily at the microlimits 6-max tables. Now withdraw $100 and play only AA and KK allin preflop. Fold everything else. Keep track of all the time ppl call with less pairs. You should win over 80% of the time however you will lose 75% instead. After 100 allins, you'd have your proof.

[IsPokerRigged]

@excthour What you are talking about is the cash-out curse and it is true that these 'Bad Beat Tests' do not test for that. The problem with testing it by your method is that 100 hands is far too small a sample size. Really you need a much larger sample than this - several thousand all-ins to give conclusive results.

Just a small point - AA is only 80% against 1 caller - if you get 5 callers it's about 50%. At action poker the players are some of the worst I've come across - you get many calls!

[urmo345]

@IsPokerRigged several thousands is a overkill. Scientifical method requires a lot less for proof of a theory.

[jimmymckooel]

@excthour I was winning every day on titan. then it was bad beat after bad beat. every time I had a pair of king or aces pre-flop, I got beat. Once with four of a kind. I play poker and the situations on titan poker are unique experiences.

[IsPokerRigged]

I'd be very happy to use your PKR hand histories. How many have you got? You can send them to me by e-mail (address is on the website) and I'll be happy to send you a complete report of the results. Many Thanks.

[empxl]

i got hand historys from pkr if you want to use them

[IsPokerRigged]

@MeShell1010 That is exactly what this test does for pre-flop all-in hands - the hands that are behind pre-flop are effectively 'drawing' to beat the hands that are ahead. Our test checks to see if these 'draws' win as many times as they should.

We have already designed an analysis that will do the same for post-flop hands and we intend to run it once we've tested more sites for the pre-flop hands.

[IsPokerRigged]

@MeShell1010 Thanks for your comment. We plan to check out as many rooms as possible in the near future. Keep checking the site for updates. One issue is getting a large enough sample of hand histories together to get a sample that will show conclusive results. To do this we usually purchase datamined hands - I don't know of anywhere that sells datamined hands for PTR... hence this could be a problem for running a test on them.

[IsPokerRigged]

Thanks for commenting and what you say is true - if you never get your money in good you'll never get a bad beat! However, these tests check to see that the number of bad beats for good players is the correct amount. It takes into consideration the number of bad beats that there should be (the expected amount) and tests to see if there are more or less than there should be in reality (the actual amount).

[CK8652]

The reason good players get more bad beats than poor players is due to just that, they are a good player and the other is a poor player. If you're a good player you put yourself in good position to get bad beat, and if you're a donkey you get lucky once and a while and catch. No?

[hanoswahn1]

@CK8652 ppl throw the term bad beat around very loosely..

but your comment is pretty spot on..the guy that uploaded this is a fish, and a paranoid one at that.

online poker is not rigged imo...but you cant know 100%...there does seem to be patterns , and wins/losses dependant on chip stacks (ratio in comparison to other player, even the rest of the table)

end of the day ...the ppl cleaning up in online poker are the good players...time and time again.

a donkey will win once in a blue moon