@kcrew22579 I also hope you die tonight to, Pigs are smarter then dogs... Yet we keep the dog and love it, but eat the pig. Learn more facts before opening your mouth you degenerate fuck.
Luckily I was born with a cyclical heart sytem so that I never need a pulse. Also, this is horrifying. Oh well, they really suck at killing I guess. I mean, is a bullet through the brain really that hard to do? What did they do to that cow? That was so sad :'(:'(:'(
@qwertyzz7 What the hell it locked like they had the cow tied up while they where emptying his insides. I never understood why farm animals had to be tortured and then killed rather than just killed painlessly.
I mainly eat fish and free range chicken. I don't know what slaughter looks like for the free range chicken, but having personally caught and gutted a fish, I find they somehow don't trigger my empathy mechanism very much.
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@XsteeleXx Yeah, and did you see that pig? Is was like it was pleading to that other pig for help or something! WEEEEEEEEE WEEEEEEEEEE WEEEEEEEEEE it was going, like a frickin police car or something out of Saw. It was like 'HELP! HELP! HELP!' and it was so stupid it didn't know what was happening and shit and then WHAM! Fucking bolt gun straight to the fucking head. Fucking hilarious!!!
@XsteeleXx Yeah, that gunshot just above the eyes was really funny. Especially when you learn how the brain of a pig is actually only penetrable via the top of the head. Shooting it between the eyes or at its forehead is not a humane kill. So, the pig was conscience the entire time it was dying, and felt every bit of it. Really hilarious.
@thestreetsempty No it couldn't have, preservation, shipping, distribution costs preclude sale abroad of the grain fed to animals (unless you're suggesting working farmers should export their crops for free); plus almost all cows are not grain fed at any point, they are grazed, and most pigs are fed decomposing vegetation and spoiled milk; not really much of a market out there for grass and rotten shit.
All the crops grown, in its natural state, untreated with perspectives, fish, inedible weight, etc., could be used to feed the world. Yes, I'm suggesting an equal distribution of food to the impoverished. And it's important the corporations that own these farms, aren't allowed to buy land in rural areas. When they do, they don't allow people of surrounding areas to use the land to grow their own food. These corporations grow feed not only in the West but in the amazon (including the rainforest).
@thestreetsempty You have no idea the logistics entailed; corporations and individual farmers would have to take drastic revenue cuts in order to facilitate such a non pragmatic, unrealistic act. The US gives hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign aid every year; we're not going to destroy our farming system to facilitate the shortcomings of foreign societies. Anyways, as I said before, pigs and the majority of cows are not fed off of vegetation viable for human consumption.
@RebelWrestler45 So a better plan is for it to continue as it is? Despite its effects on the environment and how it exploits animals? How detrimental these industries and diseased animals are to human health? I don't understand this opposition. We can have an equal distribution of food if we abolished industrial animal agriculture. We wouldn't need to feed livestock. It would cut costs, in the end. But I guess we'll see where this fucked up path takes us. And we'll get exactly what we deserve.
@thestreetsempty "We can have an equal distribution of food if we abolished industrial animal agriculture"; as long as there are governmental and geographical boundaries between countries, we can never have an equal distribution of food. The US government is responsible for the well being of its people alone; to sacrifice the flourishing of their citizenry is an assault upon the idea of the social contract. The system does not exploit animals, it merely conforms to the natural food chain.
@RebelWrestler45 The natural food chain, eh? Please record yourself hunting animals. You aren't allowed to use tools. Only those long, sharp fangs and claws of yours.
Yes, factory farming abuses, tortures, murders, exploits animals. We should acknowledge that, if we're going to discuss the industry.
@thestreetsempty Predators with higher level cognitive abilities are naturally endowed with the capacity to use tools; chimps and even lower level primates do, the same is true with humans; simply manifested on a higher technological scale due to vastly greater intelligence. Factory farming is quite base and gory; but that is an aesthetic point not a moral one; the abuses you see in PETA videos is not the functional norm. Murder is an offense that can only be committed against another human.
@RebelWrestler45 Actually, we were scavengers if anything. Like our closest relatives, we'd only eat meat when desperate for food. We're grazing animals, frugivore. Even if we were carnivorous, it wouldn't justify the detriments of factory farming. I'm an ethical vegan, for I'm intellectually honest and not intimidated by confronting my own responsibility. The abuse seen in undercover investigative footage is the norm. The pretty footage released by the meat/dairy industry is not. It is murder.
@thestreetsempty No, originally we were hunter/gatherers; humans were never scavengers. Do you think chimps in rich jungle cannibalize only when "desperate for food"? There is ignorance, then there is aggressive ignorance. I'm an ethical omnivore, for I'm intellectually honest and not intimidated by acknowledging my physiological makeup. The abuse seen in propaganda videos from PETA is not the norm; it is not possible to murder a non human life-form, as murder is a human social construct.
@RebelWrestler45 Let's say we're omnivores. We can derive B12 from supplements or quality, organic soil.
Factory farming is not only environmentally unsustainable and detrimental to people and animals alike, but due to the fact that we can derive all of our nutrients from plant sources and supplements, it is thus an unnecessary industry.
So, why argue in favor for it, knowing all the harm it causes to the world? Or are we going to have a conversation stunted at semantics and "tain't natrull!"?
since humans are animals, why not murder you and why not butcher you too? After all all animals have the same parts. The tabu regarding cannibalism should be disregarded.
@PolPotPop What ignorance. As humans, we have a mutual responsibility to regard the life of our fellow species as more valuable than less evolved, subsidiary animals. Obviously such action, including cannibalism, is more than taboo, it would be a gross violation of natural rights, not to mention a violation of universal social law. Hypotheticals, especially extraneous irrational hypotheticals, make for bad ethics.
@thestreetsempty our ancestors relied on tools to hunt, spears and bows. The tools have evolved since then. Don't act like just becuase we dont have huge claws and fangs that we arent supposed to hunt.
LOL I love these videos....every time I see one I go and pull another package of dead-cow out of the freezer. Even though it is 14deg outside today I think I'll fire up the grill and BBQ some cow flesh! Yummmy meat!!!
@invanorm oh bite me - these videos are so freaking stupid and pointless, as if I am going to watch this and suddenly decide to ignore all the wonderful meat products that these animals were raised to create. if the actions of these people are illegal then send them to jail and make examples of them, but leave the 'how do you think the cow felt' crap out of it. the cow exists to provide meat, milk and skin to us...not too complicated.
@1n354a Ethics should dictate laws, not the other way around. Cows are intentional agents and as such do not simply exist to fulfill some mechanical purpose erected and defined by humans. Sure, they fulfill that role, but it isn't as though they are simply machines.
@invanorm no they are not simply machines and I don't support the practice of torturing them during the slaughtering process, but to pretend that these are on the same level as a pet dog is comical. they are quite literally walking sacks of meat and milk (depending on the farm) and exist / survive / thrive because of that fact...they are not house hold pets with whom we have an emotional bond. again - not supporting animal torture...just the eating of them.
@1n354a Pigs are far more intelligent than cats or dogs. Pigs are closer to chimpanzees in terms of cognitive intellect. Why eat this animal? Surely logical consistency demands you eat your pets. Pigs (like many social animals) can also form complex social inter-relationships and suffer sever depression and trauma as well.
@Cuoin and there are cultures where cats and dogs are bred to be eaten...making them (in those scenarios) little more than walking sacks of meat (just as cows or pigs are in our culture). there is nothing intrinsically 'wrong' with eating any of the animals that humans eat (including giunea pigs, horses, camels...) though I would agree that needlessly torturing them prior to slaughter is 'wrong'.
I was responding to your claim that we ought to eat the organisms we farm rather than ones commonly kept as pets in our culture. If you are arguing that imposing life on sentient and self-aware organisms (a number of which are capable of abstract thought) entirely for your own indulgence - and then slaughtering them - is not wrong; then I must ask you be logically consistent in this conclusion and apply this standard to young human children without parents and those with mental retardations.
@Cuoin I am unaware of any society which raises orphan or mentally retarded children as food sources, so I don't really know what you are getting at. Could you please clarify what exactly it is that you are asking?
@1n354a Many animals can out-perform very young children and vastly out-perform humans with severe mental retardations at various cognitive tasks. Some of the more intelligent species can out-perform adult humans at memory tasks and rival them in basic non-verbal arithmetic. If you are to be logically consistent in your conclusion that every single species exempting homo-sapiens are on average too moronic to be granted rights, then you must apply this standard to all intellects at this level.
@Cuoin 'too moronic to be granted rights' ? I have never claimed that. I have merely pointed out that cows and pigs are generally raised as beef/pork animals destined for slaughter or for milking. in other nations/regions/cultures other animals (some of which we would not consider food stock) are bred and raised in a similar manner. this is consistent with reality. an animal's intellect isn't necessarily a determining factor when it comes to consumption. and again - show me a culture that....
@1n354a I haven't claimed that there is a culture which raises young children or severely mentally retarded humans for food. You claimed that it is morally justifiable to exploit currently farmed organisms and I asked that you be logically consistent in your conclusions if you believe this. Their *inferior intelligence* is the defining factor with which their exploitation is justified.
@Cuoin I know that you haven't - just as you know that I haven't made any claims regarding their 'inferior intelligence' so why don't we keep that sorta crap outta this discussion, okay?
that being said, the defining factor to breeding, rearing and slaughtering cows or pigs is the tasty factor of their meat, milk, and the usefulness of their skins; intelligence has little to do with it. I am not entirely sure how you consider this 'immoral', but I suppose that that is your right.
@1n354a The livestock sector is an immensely inefficient industry. If *usefulness* is the defining factor with which you justify the livestock industry then you already agree with me. If intelligence has nothing to do with your conclusions then apply this standard of usefulness to all organisms.
@Cuoin the efficiency of the cattle industry is not at question right now. stop trying to move the goal posts. we are discussing justification for raising and slaughtering (or milking) cows. my point is that they provide foods and materials that we use, so we are 'justified' in doing what we do. as for other animals, well we do hunt, raise, slaughter, sheer, milk, eat many animals which walk, swim, fly or crawl on this Earth so I don't see what your point is there either.
@1n354a I'm not moving the "goal posts". You said that we raise and slaughter animals for what they provide us with (food and materials). We would have more food and more available resource material if we did not do this on a mass scale.
@Cuoin The foods which humans crave, meat, and sugar, and salt, and etc, were all essentially very scarce or very valuable at some point in our history. We need small amounts of sugars to live, and meat from large animals allowed us to consume calorically dense food needed for our ever evolving brains, tens of thousands of years ago. So says our current knowledge, anyways.
I understand meat's benefit to our ancestors but we don't need it now. Name any nutritional requirement and I will source it for you if you like. Even in the context of factory farming the industry is too inefficient as it consumes too much water and requires too much food to feed tens of billions of animals for years. It's because of this that the industry won't be able to survive in its current form for much longer as America is likely to be facing a major water shortage in coming generations.
@Cuoin That's not really a problem of being inefficient, that's a problem of having too much stock. Per animal is where efficiency is revealed, unless you expect them to engineer cattle to require less water, perhaps.
@pjnlsn "That's not really a problem of being inefficient, that's a problem of having too much stock." You appear to have not understand much of anything I have written.
@Cuoin You were saying that crop farming requires less resources per pound of product than cattle farming. This is true, but wheat farming, or whatever, is not a more efficient form of cattle farming, they are completely different products. Wheat is mostly carbohydrates, meat is mostly fat and protein.
Besides, people want meat like they want sugar or salt. Why would we want to go to an herbivore diet? The world's hardly running out of water or farmland.
@pjnlsn America will be facing a major water shortage in the coming generations, if I recall. Global warming is also a serious issue and the livestock contributes massively.
@Cuoin All it really comes down to is the cruelty to the animals, as well as, occasionally mentioned, the survival of growth hormones and other pharmaceuticals given to the animals surviving in the final product.
Meat generally provides the full range of amino acids, and has a great deal of complete proteins. The dietary simplicity of meat is where it's value is. As well as how animal proteins are absorbed more readily by the body than any others.
@Cuoin mass scale? most industry today produces at levels consistent with demand...those that don't tend to drive themselves out of business. in short, the market will determine the scale of the industry.
as for treatment of the animals, as I have previously stated that unnecessary pain and suffering should not be permitted and should be prosecuted when discovered.
@Cuoin Meat has certain nutrients which we are accustomed to being in our diet. Livestock farming is not merely inefficient, the products have value.
Efficiency of the industry, I must say, is the problem here, is it not? To let cattle graze and wander freely over land would be less cruel, perhaps, while using vast amounts of land. If we did, then we might actually have a shortage of farmland.
@Cuoin Isn't the problem actually that the livestock industry is *too* efficient?
Animals sit in small cages, with no room to move around. Milk cattle sit in a cell their entire life, periodically being hooked up to tubes which pump milk, sending it all to a processing facility.
It would seem the goal is actually efficiency, at the expense of environment for the animals, would it not?
(cont) raises mentally retarded and/or orphaned humans as food stock and we can discuss the positives and negatives of their decisions. as far as I am concerned, you pull that one straight out of your keester....no?
@1n354a There are small tribes in more remote places that practice cannibalism, and it seems that among our distant ancestors it was more common. Usually the consumption is of those who have recently died, and is part of a ritual performed for every death.
@pjnlsn yeah I am actually aware of those tribes - very interesting cultural practices. I was looking for examples in which children or retarded people are raised specifically for the purpose of consumption...*shrug*...guess Cuoin couldn't think of any.
@Cuoin pjnlsn mentioned tribes which practice (for the most part) ritualistic cannibalism and I was responding to his post.
i have never questioned the size of the beef industry nor do I think that it matters how large it is as it does not change anything said in our 'conversation'.
@1n354a Look, I in fact eat meat on occasion, and feel that it could be quite reasonable for the eating of animals to continue. I just think that the industry should be reduced and for people to look to meat with respect. The animals should then have as good a life as possible under the conditions, and the death should be essentially painless at the end. I don't have a problem with the eating of meat as long as the animal felt the bare minimum of discomfort to get to where it is on your plate.
I know a lot of people try to argue that the animals are going to die anyways so why does it matter how they are treated... but I believe you should make it comfortable for them until there final moments. If your going to kill the animal make it quick, and be thankful that its life is now gone to continue yours.
Plus we only produce whats needed to support demand... so we are to blame as well. If we stopped asking for it they would stop giving.
But you vegetarians consume all kinds of stuff from countries like China where things like that are occasionally done to people too. How can you live with yourselves if you can't ignore the animal part of it but you live perfectly happy with your shoes and your computer hardware which is made at Foxconn where people are numbers - and that's far from the worst.
Fred, if the meat wasn't factory farmed--like free range beef--and killed via a painless method--e.g. carbon monoxide--would you still have a problem with it? (forget for a minute that that would never happen as it wouldn't be economically viable)
I don't understand why your channel doesn't get that many views. Your content is so much more intelligent and thought provoking than some of the crap youtube sponsors.
It's really fucking sad that this is our reality, and what is even more sad is that when people ask me why I don't contribute to this shit I give them extensive reasons and yet they still say nothing but "it's tasty, fuck them".
I have much respect for you, Fred. Keep on truckin'.
Fortunately not all livestock is treated as depicted in this video. You do not have to stop eating meat, you just have to select where your meat is coming from. The majority of the meat on my plate grew up living rather comfortably and had a quick and rather painless death in the end.
If you take a second to face reality and accept that man has done (and continues to do so) all this and worse to his own kind you will understand that unless we address mans inhumanity to man first no consideration of livestock will can ever be forthcoming.
@yeahwotevaman No it is not I merely tried to explain that given the human animals psychology and total disregard for the welfare of its own species (war, murder, torture, slavery, subjugation) this expectation that it could be 'taught' to show compassion for other species is naive.
Ugh... I can't believe almost the majority if not the majority of the world's meat at this stage is produced by battery and factory farming... makes me cry. An organism being forced to endure years of utter horror just so some worthless, bigoted piece of shit can enjoy a few minutes of pleasure. It doesn't even produce a net positive of food as the meat industry consumes far more food and resources than it produces.
It's so obvious that slaughterhouses and the treatment of animals by humans in general is the defining "moral screw-up" of our generation. In 100, 200 + years or whatever this will be the thing that future humans look back on with repulsion and disgust just like we do with the extreme and overtly sexist and racist societies of the past. Racism, sexism and now speciesism.
I see you have discovered Earthlings. It is interesting how much factory farms actually make me side unconditionally with InMendham's red button idea. Richard Coughlan and ZOMGitscriss recently favorite'd a good video by the Humane Society discussing gestation crates, and pleading with Smithfield to eliminate them by 2017 (their deadline). Smithfield is no longer going to meet this deadline and so people are being asked to bombard them with emails. There are links in the video description box.
This is meat, because murder is an unnecessary death. This is why not everyone can work at a slaughter house. Three clips were shown and I am so used to or numbed to videos of death that what should have been felt wasn't. We overpopulate these animals for this purpose.
cruel treatment of those animals, they should be killed swiftly and as painlessly as possible, of course companies will always steer towards the cheaper solutions, but killing one animal at a time in this cruel manner doesn't seem efficient. I am not against eating meat or killing animals for nutrition, but this video is just sick >__>
@Migslayer101 too bad you weren't around 65 years ago to tell Hitler and his blind followers that.
Do you really believe that an animals life is less important than your appetite?
The same analogy could be used for a sex offender, justifying raping and forever traumatizing the victim, just so he could have perhaps, a better orgasm. It's mental is what it is. People are mental and have no idea, and that is scary.
Wow, I can't believe some of the responses here. So if a race of super intelligent aliens would come to earth, you would have no problem for them to harvest our meat to feed their families, because hey, we are way dumber than them and can never reach their level of consciousness.
@VirtualGamer42 why would aliens harvest humans with so much more readily available meat? Unless they are like the creatures from Skyline that require sophont brains. You would think such a race could just take samples and then build brains from seed cells o.O I guess they are dumber than I am ^_^ Personally I have an aversion to eating primates :D you apes just aren't that appetizing. It would be funny if a human other than my host tried to eat me... just not possible ;)
@VirtualGamer42 Yep it seems that that is how a lot of people think. Its completely illogical, which I can deal with usually, but when it comes to important ethical considerations I don't think ego driven irrational thought processes are the way to go - as demonstrated by your 'super intelligent aliens' scenario.
I know Fred means well, but videos like this seem to miss the point. Yes, suffering is bad, but animals can be killed with absolutely no suffering. Even in a slaughterhouse, there is no excuse for animal abuse & torture. Anyway, all of civilization is fucked up. What can't be changed is that civilization is built on & maintained by death & suffering including the agriculture vegetarians depend on. Do you realize how many wild animals have starved to death & gone extinct because of agriculture?
@MarmaladeINFP You can try to explain this over and over again, but the goal post will be moved. The amount of "indirect" suffering, harm and death that is caused by agriculture that vegetarians depend on is overlooked by many of them. While I definitely hate the "factory meat farm"... I think the vegetarians, especially in the frozen north need to think about what is keeping those leafy greens on their plates year round.
@tattooskin72 this is why I've been pushing symbiotic farming... China is actually starting to do it... China o.O I guess they have too many people not to use sustainable aquaculture. A symbiotic farm can be set up almost anywhere and actually benefits the environment if done properly... at least the way I promote it ^_^
@PinkProgram I'll definitely have to check these things out. I have such a love/hate thing with China... mostly because of my "cultural upbringing". But, I do realize they have been quite innovative, because they have to be in order to support such a large population.
@tattooskin72 Its a shame that people need to be forced to follow what I say by necessity instead of seeing that its the right thing to do and acting accordingly... Herding cats ^_^ You can lead an ape to an idea but you can't make it think :D
@tattooskin72 Videos like this are important, but I wish more understood the problems with civilization are greater than their personally favorite issue. Not only have species gone extinct because of agricultural-based societies but whole ecosystems have been destroyed. Vegetarianism is built on this destruction. We could design slaugherhouses where no animals would ever experience fear or pain, but the larger problems of civilization would continue to exist. Vegetarianism doesn't solve anything
@MarmaladeINFP It's not a solution to the pathology of civilisation because there is no solution. A shift to veganism would reduce the impact of agriculture for a given human population.
@yeahwotevaman I've seen no evidence that veganism would reduce impact more than supporting large populations with something like free range herd animals. Or, even better, insects are a cheaper and more efficient way of producing protein than any other source. So, if we truly wanted to decrease the probability of human self-destruction, humans should live off of a mixed diet including insects and some free range meat while slowly decreasing the population. Agriculture is the real problem.
@MarmaladeINFP You are joking when you say 'supporting large populations with something like free range herd animals' right? How is that the case in the real world? Presumably you are aware that crops must be grown and wilderness cleared in order to feed these animals.
REALLY!? Watching people get blown up buy a predator drone is DISTURBING, watching children who eat dirt cakes because they have nothing else is DISTURBING, watching a man or woman getting hung or stoned because of there sexuality is DISTURBING. So tired of this bullshit, all this is nothing but misplaced empathy that should be held for your fellow Brothers and Sisters and perhaps house pets. There food animals for fucks sakes who in there right mind gives a fuck?!
@edmanrapperu No its only disturbing for phantasmagorical, over privileged ass holes like your self who have nothing else to worry about. "Bigoted"? Oh shit.....LOL! That's funny, that's really fucking funny, you have to be fucking Joking. Good work turning a word like Bigot into a manliness joke and shallow example of what it once meant. Calling you White Trash Is Bigoted. Straighten your shit out and join the rest of us here on planet earth.
@codexbiohazard Yes, I find you making the distinction between pets and other animals and what we as people should be entitled to impose on them to be bigoted.
I give a shit about all suffering and injustices so your response was just one big bullshit strawman. And apparently you wrote it with your knuckles, try thinking a little before you write something... asshole.
@edmanrapperu If you really do give a shit then get your priority's straight. There Is no argument for your way of thinking when It comes to the rest of humanity.
@edmanrapperu Biological, Anthropological, Sociological and Evolutionary Sciences are In my corner fuck even Religion. Whats in yours? "First World" Magical thinking, feel good, new age Bullshit, that makes the rest of us look like spoiled ass holes buy proxy.
I Am Obnoxious (Yeah I can be) and your a fucking Stereotype. End of "Conversation" unless you want the pissing contest to go on?
@codexbiohazard Nope, you're an asshole and you have no argument (unless you think labeling is a valid argument).
You don't need to eat meat, you're just doing it because it tastes good for you and you're ignoring the consequences it has and use the incredible suffering experienced by the people of the world as an excuse.
I agree, I don't like doing the comment warrior thing, if you feel like continuing the "pissing contest" feel free to pm me or make a video or something.
@edmanrapperu The reason I bring up human suffering Is am trying to Humble you buy Proxy, IE "Eat everything on your plate because there are starving people who go with out, your very lucky take advantage of It." You need a Healthy Diet Of Meat and Vegetables, because If you do not your body and Brain will not regulate right, Ironically enough that's why Third world Nations are so war turn because the people are suffering due to lack of nutrition. There literally brain damaged.
@codexbiohazard We would have a LOT more available food if humans dismantled the livestock industry. You have to feed those 30 odd billion animals, m'kay.
@Cuoin What would change beside more loss of land and resources? We would turn the planet into a giant grocery store and what of all thous animals let loss? They would still be eating, shitting and breeding all over the place while the Jump In predatory Animals would be unmanageable, pluses the the loss of natural habitat. The only way to fix the issue would be terraforming other planets into garden worlds.
@codexbiohazard Livestock only exist because they are artificially bred by humans. As a consequence of this, certain breeds of species have actually lost the ability to reproduce naturally. Once you stop paying to have these orgasms artificially bred there will no longer be any to look after. Also, in such a scenario there will be a gain of available land and a huge net increase in available resources, and perhaps most crucially; a large added availability of clean water supplies.
@Cuoin Selective breeding or Genetic engineering Is done to gain more "product" for less, we have been doing that since we started stable community's thousands of years ago.
Extinction Is a unavoidable for everything even Humans, the Neanderthal man and Denovien Man come to mind. I agree about cleaner water tables, there Is a lot of run off but that's due to sloppy bureaucracy and I can easily point to any Industrialist or even Low Tech Farming.
@pjnlsn A lot more of any crop of our choosing; we can grow a variety of crops with the extra land. Also far more clean water and far less greenhouse emissions amongst many other things. Almost half of all marine catch goes to feed animals. The industry is incredibly inefficient, and it is for this reason that it will not be able to sustain itself in its current form for many more generations.
The point was that we in this country are hardly in need of more farmland, perhaps freed up by considerable reduction of animal populations for slaughtering.
@Cuoin Hmm... the actual livestock population is now estimated at more like 56+ billion. Upon the release of Livestock's Long Shadow it was estimated at 21.7 billion (2006), but in 2007 it was re-estimated at 56 billion. Sorry for the inaccuracy, although it's a difficult figure to estimate I guess.
@codexbiohazard Someone got hung because they were gay?! Quick, slap a burger on the grill! After all, how dare you feel empathy for some dumb animal when another human is suffering!
Some kid is eating dirt?! Quick, rush out and buy a steak because feeling empathy for an animal is displaced.
Has it occurred to you that some of us feel empathy for all living creatures, regardless of the level of sentience? I can be against human AND animal suffering at the same time.
@codexbiohazard I hate human warfare and cruelty, plus cruelty to livestock raised for our bellies. I do not see a contradiction? Why so angry? Are you addicted to flesh?
@codexbiohazard Its not the identity of the sufferer that is important, it is the reality of the suffering itself. Regardless of who (or 'what', if you wish) is undergoing the pain, the feeling of pain itself ought to be minimized to the extent that nature allows. The pain response is a part of subjective experience independent of intelligence or any other faculty of the mind, and as such carries the same weight of ethical value across all species with nervous systems.
@invanorm Plants respond to external stimuli, single celled organism and Bacteria show signs of "Altruism", while Ants are shown to mourn and bury there dead. Your point being? Welcome to the Universe and planet earth were every thing suffers and dies.
@codexbiohazard It is likely that ants developed their "burial chambers" as an evolutionary mechanism to avoid disease. It's unlikely to be the mourning or sense of loss that a chimpanzee would feel at the loss of a child, for example. Single celled organisms also do not feel pain and cannot empathize, nor can plants.
@Cuoin Tell that to the people who study ants and the scientist who study E-Coli. None the less, Like I said before. All this Is nothing but Misplaced Empathy and Mass Pareidolia.
@codexbiohazard How can you call empathy for animals in factory farms "misplaced empathy"? That is a ridiculous statement. And if ants can emotionally suffer in a way comparable to the higher social species then they should be part of the moral equation in that context as well.
@Cuoin Well there you go. In some peoples eyes Ants should be part of that equation yet we still steep on them with out even a thought. They also practice the same farming skill's to collect Honey dew, they force breed other insects. Were are there "rights"? There are none, it would be insane If there were. This whole "Animal rights" argument holds a Rel
By purchasing meat, this is what you contribute to.
thereseeleonora 1 month ago
It is murder
Spiderballpython88 6 months ago
Why are they doing this to animals? What is wrong with them?
nepatrock 6 months ago
Can someone explain to me what they did to the pig
kcrew22579 6 months ago
their heartless
PAULYD905 7 months ago
I'd like for the farm workers to die the same way
Blackgeoff1 7 months ago
Meat is murder
Milk is rape
but what really tastes good,
is deep fried ape!
So grab that primate by the paw
and serve him up with fresh Coleslaw
doobiesmoke15 8 months ago
good thing no kittins or puppies were harmed because thats really all i care about. Who cares about farm animals we just end up eating them anyway
kcrew22579 8 months ago
@kcrew22579 i'd save a rat from death before i saved you cunt
725672567256 8 months ago
@725672567256 what did i do
kcrew22579 8 months ago
@kcrew22579 'who cares about farm animals?"... i do, i don't like it when people treat animals like objects, hence the comment towrds you.
725672567256 8 months ago
@kcrew22579 I also hope you die tonight to, Pigs are smarter then dogs... Yet we keep the dog and love it, but eat the pig. Learn more facts before opening your mouth you degenerate fuck.
Nailswith9Inches 7 months ago
FUCK BUTCHERS FUCK ANIMAL TORCHERERS
quicksscops 11 months ago
I wish that I and those creatures had never been born.
kjsdyggf 11 months ago
That's hard to watch.
Kev197311 1 year ago
Luckily I was born with a cyclical heart sytem so that I never need a pulse. Also, this is horrifying. Oh well, they really suck at killing I guess. I mean, is a bullet through the brain really that hard to do? What did they do to that cow? That was so sad :'(:'(:'(
qwertyzz7 1 year ago
@qwertyzz7 What the hell it locked like they had the cow tied up while they where emptying his insides. I never understood why farm animals had to be tortured and then killed rather than just killed painlessly.
Yamikaiba123 1 year ago
I vote meat.
OtherGonzo 1 year ago
Things are changing for the better such as the pig farming farmers are now moving into free range insted of caged pigs and they get more for the meat.
Free range chicken where the farmer raises less birds but gets more per head so the chicken leads a better life with more space.
In australia hormones were banned a long time ago and a lot of our beef is raised in open spaces where the farmer has to use a heli to round them up.
Aussie meat is the best for the animal and the consumer.
australianews 1 year ago
@australianews Thanks AN
conferencereport 1 year ago
I mainly eat fish and free range chicken. I don't know what slaughter looks like for the free range chicken, but having personally caught and gutted a fish, I find they somehow don't trigger my empathy mechanism very much.
silversoul7 1 year ago
funny shit did you see that cow hahaha meat is fucking bomb
XsteeleXx 1 year ago
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@XsteeleXx Yeah, and did you see that pig? Is was like it was pleading to that other pig for help or something! WEEEEEEEEE WEEEEEEEEEE WEEEEEEEEEE it was going, like a frickin police car or something out of Saw. It was like 'HELP! HELP! HELP!' and it was so stupid it didn't know what was happening and shit and then WHAM! Fucking bolt gun straight to the fucking head. Fucking hilarious!!!
conferencereport 1 year ago
@conferencereport HAHAHA yeah i know right thats funny shit that bolt gun fried its brains like bacon =....mmmmmmm bacon
XsteeleXx 1 year ago
@XsteeleXx Yeah, that gunshot just above the eyes was really funny. Especially when you learn how the brain of a pig is actually only penetrable via the top of the head. Shooting it between the eyes or at its forehead is not a humane kill. So, the pig was conscience the entire time it was dying, and felt every bit of it. Really hilarious.
thestreetsempty 1 year ago
@thestreetsempty hahaha all i can say is sucks for him at least he died for a good cause to feed our children
XsteeleXx 1 year ago
@XsteeleXx What about the crops fed to him, that could have been used to feed other children, the world over?
thestreetsempty 1 year ago
@thestreetsempty kids love burgers chicken and all that stuff why would we force them into a vegitarian diet
XsteeleXx 1 year ago
@XsteeleXx Try asking them wheather they agree on the price that will be paid by other creatures and people for them yummy burgers.
5kamon 1 year ago
@thestreetsempty No it couldn't have, preservation, shipping, distribution costs preclude sale abroad of the grain fed to animals (unless you're suggesting working farmers should export their crops for free); plus almost all cows are not grain fed at any point, they are grazed, and most pigs are fed decomposing vegetation and spoiled milk; not really much of a market out there for grass and rotten shit.
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
All the crops grown, in its natural state, untreated with perspectives, fish, inedible weight, etc., could be used to feed the world. Yes, I'm suggesting an equal distribution of food to the impoverished. And it's important the corporations that own these farms, aren't allowed to buy land in rural areas. When they do, they don't allow people of surrounding areas to use the land to grow their own food. These corporations grow feed not only in the West but in the amazon (including the rainforest).
thestreetsempty 1 year ago
@thestreetsempty You have no idea the logistics entailed; corporations and individual farmers would have to take drastic revenue cuts in order to facilitate such a non pragmatic, unrealistic act. The US gives hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign aid every year; we're not going to destroy our farming system to facilitate the shortcomings of foreign societies. Anyways, as I said before, pigs and the majority of cows are not fed off of vegetation viable for human consumption.
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
@RebelWrestler45 So a better plan is for it to continue as it is? Despite its effects on the environment and how it exploits animals? How detrimental these industries and diseased animals are to human health? I don't understand this opposition. We can have an equal distribution of food if we abolished industrial animal agriculture. We wouldn't need to feed livestock. It would cut costs, in the end. But I guess we'll see where this fucked up path takes us. And we'll get exactly what we deserve.
thestreetsempty 1 year ago
@thestreetsempty "We can have an equal distribution of food if we abolished industrial animal agriculture"; as long as there are governmental and geographical boundaries between countries, we can never have an equal distribution of food. The US government is responsible for the well being of its people alone; to sacrifice the flourishing of their citizenry is an assault upon the idea of the social contract. The system does not exploit animals, it merely conforms to the natural food chain.
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
@RebelWrestler45 The natural food chain, eh? Please record yourself hunting animals. You aren't allowed to use tools. Only those long, sharp fangs and claws of yours.
Yes, factory farming abuses, tortures, murders, exploits animals. We should acknowledge that, if we're going to discuss the industry.
thestreetsempty 1 year ago
@thestreetsempty Predators with higher level cognitive abilities are naturally endowed with the capacity to use tools; chimps and even lower level primates do, the same is true with humans; simply manifested on a higher technological scale due to vastly greater intelligence. Factory farming is quite base and gory; but that is an aesthetic point not a moral one; the abuses you see in PETA videos is not the functional norm. Murder is an offense that can only be committed against another human.
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
@RebelWrestler45 Actually, we were scavengers if anything. Like our closest relatives, we'd only eat meat when desperate for food. We're grazing animals, frugivore. Even if we were carnivorous, it wouldn't justify the detriments of factory farming. I'm an ethical vegan, for I'm intellectually honest and not intimidated by confronting my own responsibility. The abuse seen in undercover investigative footage is the norm. The pretty footage released by the meat/dairy industry is not. It is murder.
thestreetsempty 1 year ago
@thestreetsempty No, originally we were hunter/gatherers; humans were never scavengers. Do you think chimps in rich jungle cannibalize only when "desperate for food"? There is ignorance, then there is aggressive ignorance. I'm an ethical omnivore, for I'm intellectually honest and not intimidated by acknowledging my physiological makeup. The abuse seen in propaganda videos from PETA is not the norm; it is not possible to murder a non human life-form, as murder is a human social construct.
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
@RebelWrestler45 Let's say we're omnivores. We can derive B12 from supplements or quality, organic soil.
Factory farming is not only environmentally unsustainable and detrimental to people and animals alike, but due to the fact that we can derive all of our nutrients from plant sources and supplements, it is thus an unnecessary industry.
So, why argue in favor for it, knowing all the harm it causes to the world? Or are we going to have a conversation stunted at semantics and "tain't natrull!"?
thestreetsempty 1 year ago
@thestreetsempty We also don't even need supplements to get all the nutrients.
l33tbyte 8 months ago
@RebelWrestler45
since humans are animals, why not murder you and why not butcher you too? After all all animals have the same parts. The tabu regarding cannibalism should be disregarded.
PolPotPop 1 year ago
@PolPotPop What ignorance. As humans, we have a mutual responsibility to regard the life of our fellow species as more valuable than less evolved, subsidiary animals. Obviously such action, including cannibalism, is more than taboo, it would be a gross violation of natural rights, not to mention a violation of universal social law. Hypotheticals, especially extraneous irrational hypotheticals, make for bad ethics.
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
@thestreetsempty our ancestors relied on tools to hunt, spears and bows. The tools have evolved since then. Don't act like just becuase we dont have huge claws and fangs that we arent supposed to hunt.
misterdirtyharry 11 months ago
@conferencereport I hope you die tonight
Nailswith9Inches 7 months ago
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@conferencereport People like you don't deserve to live.
TheJinxx100 6 months ago
well, you have to admit: murder is pretty yummy
VenisonFajitas 1 year ago
1:23 - what the heck is going on here?
1n354a 1 year ago
LOL I love these videos....every time I see one I go and pull another package of dead-cow out of the freezer. Even though it is 14deg outside today I think I'll fire up the grill and BBQ some cow flesh! Yummmy meat!!!
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a Stfu and stop trolling.
invanorm 1 year ago
@invanorm oh bite me - these videos are so freaking stupid and pointless, as if I am going to watch this and suddenly decide to ignore all the wonderful meat products that these animals were raised to create. if the actions of these people are illegal then send them to jail and make examples of them, but leave the 'how do you think the cow felt' crap out of it. the cow exists to provide meat, milk and skin to us...not too complicated.
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a Ethics should dictate laws, not the other way around. Cows are intentional agents and as such do not simply exist to fulfill some mechanical purpose erected and defined by humans. Sure, they fulfill that role, but it isn't as though they are simply machines.
invanorm 1 year ago
@invanorm no they are not simply machines and I don't support the practice of torturing them during the slaughtering process, but to pretend that these are on the same level as a pet dog is comical. they are quite literally walking sacks of meat and milk (depending on the farm) and exist / survive / thrive because of that fact...they are not house hold pets with whom we have an emotional bond. again - not supporting animal torture...just the eating of them.
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a Pigs are far more intelligent than cats or dogs. Pigs are closer to chimpanzees in terms of cognitive intellect. Why eat this animal? Surely logical consistency demands you eat your pets. Pigs (like many social animals) can also form complex social inter-relationships and suffer sever depression and trauma as well.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin and there are cultures where cats and dogs are bred to be eaten...making them (in those scenarios) little more than walking sacks of meat (just as cows or pigs are in our culture). there is nothing intrinsically 'wrong' with eating any of the animals that humans eat (including giunea pigs, horses, camels...) though I would agree that needlessly torturing them prior to slaughter is 'wrong'.
1n354a 1 year ago
I was responding to your claim that we ought to eat the organisms we farm rather than ones commonly kept as pets in our culture. If you are arguing that imposing life on sentient and self-aware organisms (a number of which are capable of abstract thought) entirely for your own indulgence - and then slaughtering them - is not wrong; then I must ask you be logically consistent in this conclusion and apply this standard to young human children without parents and those with mental retardations.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin I am unaware of any society which raises orphan or mentally retarded children as food sources, so I don't really know what you are getting at. Could you please clarify what exactly it is that you are asking?
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a Many animals can out-perform very young children and vastly out-perform humans with severe mental retardations at various cognitive tasks. Some of the more intelligent species can out-perform adult humans at memory tasks and rival them in basic non-verbal arithmetic. If you are to be logically consistent in your conclusion that every single species exempting homo-sapiens are on average too moronic to be granted rights, then you must apply this standard to all intellects at this level.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin 'too moronic to be granted rights' ? I have never claimed that. I have merely pointed out that cows and pigs are generally raised as beef/pork animals destined for slaughter or for milking. in other nations/regions/cultures other animals (some of which we would not consider food stock) are bred and raised in a similar manner. this is consistent with reality. an animal's intellect isn't necessarily a determining factor when it comes to consumption. and again - show me a culture that....
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a I haven't claimed that there is a culture which raises young children or severely mentally retarded humans for food. You claimed that it is morally justifiable to exploit currently farmed organisms and I asked that you be logically consistent in your conclusions if you believe this. Their *inferior intelligence* is the defining factor with which their exploitation is justified.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin I know that you haven't - just as you know that I haven't made any claims regarding their 'inferior intelligence' so why don't we keep that sorta crap outta this discussion, okay?
that being said, the defining factor to breeding, rearing and slaughtering cows or pigs is the tasty factor of their meat, milk, and the usefulness of their skins; intelligence has little to do with it. I am not entirely sure how you consider this 'immoral', but I suppose that that is your right.
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a The livestock sector is an immensely inefficient industry. If *usefulness* is the defining factor with which you justify the livestock industry then you already agree with me. If intelligence has nothing to do with your conclusions then apply this standard of usefulness to all organisms.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin the efficiency of the cattle industry is not at question right now. stop trying to move the goal posts. we are discussing justification for raising and slaughtering (or milking) cows. my point is that they provide foods and materials that we use, so we are 'justified' in doing what we do. as for other animals, well we do hunt, raise, slaughter, sheer, milk, eat many animals which walk, swim, fly or crawl on this Earth so I don't see what your point is there either.
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a I'm not moving the "goal posts". You said that we raise and slaughter animals for what they provide us with (food and materials). We would have more food and more available resource material if we did not do this on a mass scale.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin The foods which humans crave, meat, and sugar, and salt, and etc, were all essentially very scarce or very valuable at some point in our history. We need small amounts of sugars to live, and meat from large animals allowed us to consume calorically dense food needed for our ever evolving brains, tens of thousands of years ago. So says our current knowledge, anyways.
pjnlsn 1 year ago
I understand meat's benefit to our ancestors but we don't need it now. Name any nutritional requirement and I will source it for you if you like. Even in the context of factory farming the industry is too inefficient as it consumes too much water and requires too much food to feed tens of billions of animals for years. It's because of this that the industry won't be able to survive in its current form for much longer as America is likely to be facing a major water shortage in coming generations.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin That's not really a problem of being inefficient, that's a problem of having too much stock. Per animal is where efficiency is revealed, unless you expect them to engineer cattle to require less water, perhaps.
pjnlsn 1 year ago
@pjnlsn "That's not really a problem of being inefficient, that's a problem of having too much stock." You appear to have not understand much of anything I have written.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin You were saying that crop farming requires less resources per pound of product than cattle farming. This is true, but wheat farming, or whatever, is not a more efficient form of cattle farming, they are completely different products. Wheat is mostly carbohydrates, meat is mostly fat and protein.
Besides, people want meat like they want sugar or salt. Why would we want to go to an herbivore diet? The world's hardly running out of water or farmland.
pjnlsn 1 year ago
@pjnlsn "The world's hardly running out of water or farmland."
You might want to research this issue, and the environmental aspect specifically, before posing that argument.
thestreetsempty 1 year ago
@pjnlsn America will be facing a major water shortage in the coming generations, if I recall. Global warming is also a serious issue and the livestock contributes massively.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin All it really comes down to is the cruelty to the animals, as well as, occasionally mentioned, the survival of growth hormones and other pharmaceuticals given to the animals surviving in the final product.
Meat generally provides the full range of amino acids, and has a great deal of complete proteins. The dietary simplicity of meat is where it's value is. As well as how animal proteins are absorbed more readily by the body than any others.
pjnlsn 1 year ago
@pjnlsn Quinoa also supplies the complete set of essential amino acids amongst others.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@pjnlsn Apologies, that comment was intended for 1n354a.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin mass scale? most industry today produces at levels consistent with demand...those that don't tend to drive themselves out of business. in short, the market will determine the scale of the industry.
as for treatment of the animals, as I have previously stated that unnecessary pain and suffering should not be permitted and should be prosecuted when discovered.
1n354a 1 year ago
@Cuoin Meat has certain nutrients which we are accustomed to being in our diet. Livestock farming is not merely inefficient, the products have value.
Efficiency of the industry, I must say, is the problem here, is it not? To let cattle graze and wander freely over land would be less cruel, perhaps, while using vast amounts of land. If we did, then we might actually have a shortage of farmland.
pjnlsn 1 year ago
@Cuoin Isn't the problem actually that the livestock industry is *too* efficient?
Animals sit in small cages, with no room to move around. Milk cattle sit in a cell their entire life, periodically being hooked up to tubes which pump milk, sending it all to a processing facility.
It would seem the goal is actually efficiency, at the expense of environment for the animals, would it not?
pjnlsn 1 year ago
(cont) raises mentally retarded and/or orphaned humans as food stock and we can discuss the positives and negatives of their decisions. as far as I am concerned, you pull that one straight out of your keester....no?
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a There are small tribes in more remote places that practice cannibalism, and it seems that among our distant ancestors it was more common. Usually the consumption is of those who have recently died, and is part of a ritual performed for every death.
pjnlsn 1 year ago
@pjnlsn yeah I am actually aware of those tribes - very interesting cultural practices. I was looking for examples in which children or retarded people are raised specifically for the purpose of consumption...*shrug*...guess Cuoin couldn't think of any.
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a You know I didn't say anything about tribes. And 50 odd billion animals is clearly mass scale production.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin pjnlsn mentioned tribes which practice (for the most part) ritualistic cannibalism and I was responding to his post.
i have never questioned the size of the beef industry nor do I think that it matters how large it is as it does not change anything said in our 'conversation'.
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a Look, I in fact eat meat on occasion, and feel that it could be quite reasonable for the eating of animals to continue. I just think that the industry should be reduced and for people to look to meat with respect. The animals should then have as good a life as possible under the conditions, and the death should be essentially painless at the end. I don't have a problem with the eating of meat as long as the animal felt the bare minimum of discomfort to get to where it is on your plate.
invanorm 1 year ago
Technically not murder, but horrific nonetheless.
MrRobotoToo 1 year ago
I hope I'm not alone in this but here it goes...
I know a lot of people try to argue that the animals are going to die anyways so why does it matter how they are treated... but I believe you should make it comfortable for them until there final moments. If your going to kill the animal make it quick, and be thankful that its life is now gone to continue yours.
Plus we only produce whats needed to support demand... so we are to blame as well. If we stopped asking for it they would stop giving.
Gibblefarts 1 year ago
Life killing life to perpetuate life. Life's fucked up.
RadicalAwesomeness 1 year ago
Sigh. I can't watch this shit.
But you vegetarians consume all kinds of stuff from countries like China where things like that are occasionally done to people too. How can you live with yourselves if you can't ignore the animal part of it but you live perfectly happy with your shoes and your computer hardware which is made at Foxconn where people are numbers - and that's far from the worst.
djzapz 1 year ago
Fred, if the meat wasn't factory farmed--like free range beef--and killed via a painless method--e.g. carbon monoxide--would you still have a problem with it? (forget for a minute that that would never happen as it wouldn't be economically viable)
GeatMaster 1 year ago
I don't understand why your channel doesn't get that many views. Your content is so much more intelligent and thought provoking than some of the crap youtube sponsors.
zin908 1 year ago
I'm wondering, do lions eat lions?
shangrigreige 1 year ago
It's really fucking sad that this is our reality, and what is even more sad is that when people ask me why I don't contribute to this shit I give them extensive reasons and yet they still say nothing but "it's tasty, fuck them".
I have much respect for you, Fred. Keep on truckin'.
scottie0904 1 year ago
sad and true..
almafarag 1 year ago
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panthera50 1 year ago
Fortunately not all livestock is treated as depicted in this video. You do not have to stop eating meat, you just have to select where your meat is coming from. The majority of the meat on my plate grew up living rather comfortably and had a quick and rather painless death in the end.
FelidaTheGeek 1 year ago
If you take a second to face reality and accept that man has done (and continues to do so) all this and worse to his own kind you will understand that unless we address mans inhumanity to man first no consideration of livestock will can ever be forthcoming.
TheSuicidalOptimist 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalOptimist Thank you.
codexbiohazard 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalOptimist It's not either/or.
yeahwotevaman 1 year ago
@yeahwotevaman No it is not I merely tried to explain that given the human animals psychology and total disregard for the welfare of its own species (war, murder, torture, slavery, subjugation) this expectation that it could be 'taught' to show compassion for other species is naive.
TheSuicidalOptimist 1 year ago
"Give me back my broken night my mirrored room, my secret life it's lonely here,
there's no one left to torture.
Give me absolute control over every living soul and lie beside me, baby, that's an order!
Give me crack and anal sex, take the only tree that's left and stuff it up the hole in your culture.
Give me back the Berlin wall.
Give me Stalin and St. Paul.
I've seen the future, brother: IT IS MURDER."
- Leonard Cohen, The Future [The Present, The Past]
lucerfarul 1 year ago
Sorry but I'll still eat it. :/ Been doing it for thousands of years. I won't kill the animal myself though.
restlesspride666 1 year ago
Bet I screamed like that when they cut the end of my cock off :(
mcgaugh57 1 year ago
Ugh... I can't believe almost the majority if not the majority of the world's meat at this stage is produced by battery and factory farming... makes me cry. An organism being forced to endure years of utter horror just so some worthless, bigoted piece of shit can enjoy a few minutes of pleasure. It doesn't even produce a net positive of food as the meat industry consumes far more food and resources than it produces.
Cuoin 1 year ago
It's so obvious that slaughterhouses and the treatment of animals by humans in general is the defining "moral screw-up" of our generation. In 100, 200 + years or whatever this will be the thing that future humans look back on with repulsion and disgust just like we do with the extreme and overtly sexist and racist societies of the past. Racism, sexism and now speciesism.
Cuoin 1 year ago
Since I've been through a slaughter house in person in the past, I didn't watch. I knew I would be unable to...
This is exactly why I don't eat meat.
2bsirius 1 year ago
I see you have discovered Earthlings. It is interesting how much factory farms actually make me side unconditionally with InMendham's red button idea. Richard Coughlan and ZOMGitscriss recently favorite'd a good video by the Humane Society discussing gestation crates, and pleading with Smithfield to eliminate them by 2017 (their deadline). Smithfield is no longer going to meet this deadline and so people are being asked to bombard them with emails. There are links in the video description box.
Cuoin 1 year ago
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TWITfromURANUS 1 year ago
This is meat, because murder is an unnecessary death. This is why not everyone can work at a slaughter house. Three clips were shown and I am so used to or numbed to videos of death that what should have been felt wasn't. We overpopulate these animals for this purpose.
GingerAtheist 1 year ago
Ah, like a mirror with tentacles, latching strongly on to you, and holding you in place shouting, "Is this what you want?!!"
Gettinghitonattheban 1 year ago
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Gettinghitonattheban 1 year ago
Nearly spat my toothpaste out when I heard the cow ringtone lmao.
TrancedNRG 1 year ago
cruel treatment of those animals, they should be killed swiftly and as painlessly as possible, of course companies will always steer towards the cheaper solutions, but killing one animal at a time in this cruel manner doesn't seem efficient. I am not against eating meat or killing animals for nutrition, but this video is just sick >__>
Migslayer101 1 year ago
@Migslayer101 too bad you weren't around 65 years ago to tell Hitler and his blind followers that.
Do you really believe that an animals life is less important than your appetite?
The same analogy could be used for a sex offender, justifying raping and forever traumatizing the victim, just so he could have perhaps, a better orgasm. It's mental is what it is. People are mental and have no idea, and that is scary.
doesthismakeanysense 1 year ago
Most people are raised to eat meat. You do not have to continue the cycle. Use your fucking heads people, not your stomachs.
doesthismakeanysense 1 year ago
@doesthismakeanysense Fat chance!
yeahwotevaman 1 year ago
Which reminds me, I haven't watched Texas Chainsaw Massacre, for a while
CanineFeces 1 year ago
Fred<333
Showed this to my mom. She loves meat. Now, even for the holidays, she can't bring herself to eat any animals.
thestreetsempty 1 year ago
@thestreetsempty Please apologise to your mother for me.
conferencereport 1 year ago
@conferencereport ok <3
thestreetsempty 1 year ago
@thestreetsempty "shrugs" was eating ham eggs and sausage while watching
johndebbra 1 year ago
@johndebbra Wow, I'm impressed by how unaffected you are. Name each species of animal featured in the video.
thestreetsempty 1 year ago
Wow, I can't believe some of the responses here. So if a race of super intelligent aliens would come to earth, you would have no problem for them to harvest our meat to feed their families, because hey, we are way dumber than them and can never reach their level of consciousness.
VirtualGamer42 1 year ago
@VirtualGamer42 why would aliens harvest humans with so much more readily available meat? Unless they are like the creatures from Skyline that require sophont brains. You would think such a race could just take samples and then build brains from seed cells o.O I guess they are dumber than I am ^_^ Personally I have an aversion to eating primates :D you apes just aren't that appetizing. It would be funny if a human other than my host tried to eat me... just not possible ;)
PinkProgram 1 year ago
@VirtualGamer42 Yep it seems that that is how a lot of people think. Its completely illogical, which I can deal with usually, but when it comes to important ethical considerations I don't think ego driven irrational thought processes are the way to go - as demonstrated by your 'super intelligent aliens' scenario.
invanorm 1 year ago
I was eating a bacon and egg sammich whilst watching this. :) Yummeh.
jamieee321 1 year ago
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@jamieee321 "I was eating a bacon and egg sammich whilst watching this. :) Yummeh." WTF is wrong with you?
Cuoin 1 year ago 3
I know Fred means well, but videos like this seem to miss the point. Yes, suffering is bad, but animals can be killed with absolutely no suffering. Even in a slaughterhouse, there is no excuse for animal abuse & torture. Anyway, all of civilization is fucked up. What can't be changed is that civilization is built on & maintained by death & suffering including the agriculture vegetarians depend on. Do you realize how many wild animals have starved to death & gone extinct because of agriculture?
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP You can try to explain this over and over again, but the goal post will be moved. The amount of "indirect" suffering, harm and death that is caused by agriculture that vegetarians depend on is overlooked by many of them. While I definitely hate the "factory meat farm"... I think the vegetarians, especially in the frozen north need to think about what is keeping those leafy greens on their plates year round.
Harm reduction needs to take place in all diets.
tattooskin72 1 year ago
@tattooskin72 this is why I've been pushing symbiotic farming... China is actually starting to do it... China o.O I guess they have too many people not to use sustainable aquaculture. A symbiotic farm can be set up almost anywhere and actually benefits the environment if done properly... at least the way I promote it ^_^
PinkProgram 1 year ago
@PinkProgram I'll definitely have to check these things out. I have such a love/hate thing with China... mostly because of my "cultural upbringing". But, I do realize they have been quite innovative, because they have to be in order to support such a large population.
tattooskin72 1 year ago
@tattooskin72 Its a shame that people need to be forced to follow what I say by necessity instead of seeing that its the right thing to do and acting accordingly... Herding cats ^_^ You can lead an ape to an idea but you can't make it think :D
PinkProgram 1 year ago
@tattooskin72 Good comment TS
conferencereport 1 year ago
@tattooskin72 Videos like this are important, but I wish more understood the problems with civilization are greater than their personally favorite issue. Not only have species gone extinct because of agricultural-based societies but whole ecosystems have been destroyed. Vegetarianism is built on this destruction. We could design slaugherhouses where no animals would ever experience fear or pain, but the larger problems of civilization would continue to exist. Vegetarianism doesn't solve anything
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP It's not a solution to the pathology of civilisation because there is no solution. A shift to veganism would reduce the impact of agriculture for a given human population.
yeahwotevaman 1 year ago
@yeahwotevaman I've seen no evidence that veganism would reduce impact more than supporting large populations with something like free range herd animals. Or, even better, insects are a cheaper and more efficient way of producing protein than any other source. So, if we truly wanted to decrease the probability of human self-destruction, humans should live off of a mixed diet including insects and some free range meat while slowly decreasing the population. Agriculture is the real problem.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
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@MarmaladeINFP You are joking when you say 'supporting large populations with something like free range herd animals' right? How is that the case in the real world? Presumably you are aware that crops must be grown and wilderness cleared in order to feed these animals.
petermaquire 1 year ago
Delishus animalz, yew must eat dem :3
MasterTaters 1 year ago
REALLY!? Watching people get blown up buy a predator drone is DISTURBING, watching children who eat dirt cakes because they have nothing else is DISTURBING, watching a man or woman getting hung or stoned because of there sexuality is DISTURBING. So tired of this bullshit, all this is nothing but misplaced empathy that should be held for your fellow Brothers and Sisters and perhaps house pets. There food animals for fucks sakes who in there right mind gives a fuck?!
codexbiohazard 1 year ago
@codexbiohazard People in their right minds, that's who.
The imposition of suffering on other sentient beings for the sake of satisfying our selfish desires (not even for survival) is just disgusting!
The suffering of those animals is not in any way different from the suffering of house pets or that of your fellow human beings.
I'm sorry but what you are saying is just bigoted and sadistic at best.
edmanrapperu 1 year ago
@edmanrapperu No its only disturbing for phantasmagorical, over privileged ass holes like your self who have nothing else to worry about. "Bigoted"? Oh shit.....LOL! That's funny, that's really fucking funny, you have to be fucking Joking. Good work turning a word like Bigot into a manliness joke and shallow example of what it once meant. Calling you White Trash Is Bigoted. Straighten your shit out and join the rest of us here on planet earth.
codexbiohazard 1 year ago
@codexbiohazard Yes, I find you making the distinction between pets and other animals and what we as people should be entitled to impose on them to be bigoted.
I give a shit about all suffering and injustices so your response was just one big bullshit strawman. And apparently you wrote it with your knuckles, try thinking a little before you write something... asshole.
edmanrapperu 1 year ago
@edmanrapperu If you really do give a shit then get your priority's straight. There Is no argument for your way of thinking when It comes to the rest of humanity.
codexbiohazard 1 year ago
@codexbiohazard
You're not helping the rest of humanity by endorsing the incredible waste of resources that goes on because of the meat industry.
And fyi, I argue with people on a number of other subjects but I don't have to explain myself to you, specially since you're being rather obnoxious.
edmanrapperu 1 year ago
@edmanrapperu Biological, Anthropological, Sociological and Evolutionary Sciences are In my corner fuck even Religion. Whats in yours? "First World" Magical thinking, feel good, new age Bullshit, that makes the rest of us look like spoiled ass holes buy proxy.
I Am Obnoxious (Yeah I can be) and your a fucking Stereotype. End of "Conversation" unless you want the pissing contest to go on?
codexbiohazard 1 year ago
@codexbiohazard Nope, you're an asshole and you have no argument (unless you think labeling is a valid argument).
You don't need to eat meat, you're just doing it because it tastes good for you and you're ignoring the consequences it has and use the incredible suffering experienced by the people of the world as an excuse.
I agree, I don't like doing the comment warrior thing, if you feel like continuing the "pissing contest" feel free to pm me or make a video or something.
edmanrapperu 1 year ago
@edmanrapperu The reason I bring up human suffering Is am trying to Humble you buy Proxy, IE "Eat everything on your plate because there are starving people who go with out, your very lucky take advantage of It." You need a Healthy Diet Of Meat and Vegetables, because If you do not your body and Brain will not regulate right, Ironically enough that's why Third world Nations are so war turn because the people are suffering due to lack of nutrition. There literally brain damaged.
codexbiohazard 1 year ago
@codexbiohazard We would have a LOT more available food if humans dismantled the livestock industry. You have to feed those 30 odd billion animals, m'kay.
Cuoin 1 year ago 5
@Cuoin What would change beside more loss of land and resources? We would turn the planet into a giant grocery store and what of all thous animals let loss? They would still be eating, shitting and breeding all over the place while the Jump In predatory Animals would be unmanageable, pluses the the loss of natural habitat. The only way to fix the issue would be terraforming other planets into garden worlds.
codexbiohazard 1 year ago
@codexbiohazard Livestock only exist because they are artificially bred by humans. As a consequence of this, certain breeds of species have actually lost the ability to reproduce naturally. Once you stop paying to have these orgasms artificially bred there will no longer be any to look after. Also, in such a scenario there will be a gain of available land and a huge net increase in available resources, and perhaps most crucially; a large added availability of clean water supplies.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin organisms* :S
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin Selective breeding or Genetic engineering Is done to gain more "product" for less, we have been doing that since we started stable community's thousands of years ago.
Extinction Is a unavoidable for everything even Humans, the Neanderthal man and Denovien Man come to mind. I agree about cleaner water tables, there Is a lot of run off but that's due to sloppy bureaucracy and I can easily point to any Industrialist or even Low Tech Farming.
codexbiohazard 1 year ago
@Cuoin A lot more grain perhaps. Or vast quantities of corn, or whatever it is they feed cattle.
pjnlsn 1 year ago
@pjnlsn A lot more of any crop of our choosing; we can grow a variety of crops with the extra land. Also far more clean water and far less greenhouse emissions amongst many other things. Almost half of all marine catch goes to feed animals. The industry is incredibly inefficient, and it is for this reason that it will not be able to sustain itself in its current form for many more generations.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin We have so much farmland in America that farmers are actually paid to *not grow* crops, for fear of global wheat prices falling too low.
pjnlsn 1 year ago
@pjnlsn Unfortunately that form of crop subsidiary can seriously damage the agriculture of developing countries.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin Can it?
The point was that we in this country are hardly in need of more farmland, perhaps freed up by considerable reduction of animal populations for slaughtering.
pjnlsn 1 year ago
@pjnlsn For some reason vast amounts of rainforest are being destroyed for cattle raising and the crops required to feed them.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin Vast amounts of rainforest being destroyed for cattle raising and feed growing? I don't that's true....
pjnlsn 1 year ago
@Cuoin Hmm... the actual livestock population is now estimated at more like 56+ billion. Upon the release of Livestock's Long Shadow it was estimated at 21.7 billion (2006), but in 2007 it was re-estimated at 56 billion. Sorry for the inaccuracy, although it's a difficult figure to estimate I guess.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@codexbiohazard Someone got hung because they were gay?! Quick, slap a burger on the grill! After all, how dare you feel empathy for some dumb animal when another human is suffering!
Some kid is eating dirt?! Quick, rush out and buy a steak because feeling empathy for an animal is displaced.
Has it occurred to you that some of us feel empathy for all living creatures, regardless of the level of sentience? I can be against human AND animal suffering at the same time.
TheRecoveringZombie 1 year ago
@codexbiohazard I hate human warfare and cruelty, plus cruelty to livestock raised for our bellies. I do not see a contradiction? Why so angry? Are you addicted to flesh?
beardfreak1969 1 year ago
@codexbiohazard Its not the identity of the sufferer that is important, it is the reality of the suffering itself. Regardless of who (or 'what', if you wish) is undergoing the pain, the feeling of pain itself ought to be minimized to the extent that nature allows. The pain response is a part of subjective experience independent of intelligence or any other faculty of the mind, and as such carries the same weight of ethical value across all species with nervous systems.
invanorm 1 year ago
@invanorm Plants respond to external stimuli, single celled organism and Bacteria show signs of "Altruism", while Ants are shown to mourn and bury there dead. Your point being? Welcome to the Universe and planet earth were every thing suffers and dies.
codexbiohazard 1 year ago
@codexbiohazard It is likely that ants developed their "burial chambers" as an evolutionary mechanism to avoid disease. It's unlikely to be the mourning or sense of loss that a chimpanzee would feel at the loss of a child, for example. Single celled organisms also do not feel pain and cannot empathize, nor can plants.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Cuoin Tell that to the people who study ants and the scientist who study E-Coli. None the less, Like I said before. All this Is nothing but Misplaced Empathy and Mass Pareidolia.
codexbiohazard 1 year ago
@codexbiohazard How can you call empathy for animals in factory farms "misplaced empathy"? That is a ridiculous statement. And if ants can emotionally suffer in a way comparable to the higher social species then they should be part of the moral equation in that context as well.
Cuoin 1 year ago 2
@Cuoin Well there you go. In some peoples eyes Ants should be part of that equation yet we still steep on them with out even a thought. They also practice the same farming skill's to collect Honey dew, they force breed other insects. Were are there "rights"? There are none, it would be insane If there were. This whole "Animal rights" argument holds a Rel