Stateless Roma in Europe - 10 Aug 07

[hackerrei]

Canada has plenty of unused land lets strike a deal.

[cistaryza]

ofcourse you need your own country, would you like to choose one already existing or just point on the map..?! How about some island near by Greece or so, would it be suficient..? Do you know about feelings of people who lives near by these gettos?? Ask for their opinion.. BTW If you wish to by called Romani people, me things you have already one coutry and it is Romania. So what more do you want.. Moooore..

[ioanbanciu]

@cistaryza FUCK YOU.... ROMANIA IS NOT A GIPSY COUNTRY ...I HOPE THAT U DIE

[cistaryza]

@ioanbanciu Dear ioanbanciu, they would like me to call them Romani people, so what would you like me to to tell them..? Oh dear, death wishes, i've heard i am going to live very long life.. But one dey your wishfull thinking will become thrue.. Be well

[kinggitano]

It's all about breaking small societys and break strong family structures...

The ruling class knows that the roma have a strong hierarchy, so they broke them down from the beginning untill now!!

watch?v=ZgPuSk3L0dE&feature=re­lated

[olpap53]

kinda sounds like mexicans, hehehe

[milekrizman]

Send them to South Asia - Sri Lanka. They cannot acomodate to Europe.

[tonyromachavo]

I am gypsy from the greatest and richest country on earth U.S.A. Here we are not forced to steal to feed our families, we all have the right to education, jobs, and by this we can create business opportunities. This is why America is the best and richest, racist need to be educated on this, they bring their own country down, I have taken full advantage. I am on the top 3% of educated people in the world. I plan to work hard, open several businesses and make the world a better place

[kinggitano]

@tonyromachavo watch this watch?v=ZgPuSk3L0dE&feature=re­lated

Roma's hierarchy is 2 strong for the ruling class, so they will have 2 break it down 2 accomplish their plans within society..

[TrixTwins]

This was a joke at the first place, but it is no longer one.

A Roma family noticed they must change their baby's diaper again, and they asked each other: "What shall we do with him, clean him, sell him, or make another one?"

[Salvia02390]

Their conditions would improve if they stopped having so many children they aren't able to care for...

It is a complex issue though, I do acknowledge their entrance into society has been resisted.

I've seen some of the squalid conditions of their housing in Plzen, Czech Republic. They generally just hang about and a lot of people fear getting mugged by them (this doesn't necessarily mean it's my view). I don't know, I've only spent a total of maybe 7 years there on and off.

[TheTollundWoman]

@Salvia02390

Regarding the muggings. The Roma are denied jobs because of widespread discrimination, why is anyone surprised when they resort to crime, simply to *survive*? Don't blame the victim

[DezoCorka]

You are such an idiot! Can you realize it? Why do you express to something that you know a big sh*t about?!

[TheTollundWoman]

@DezoCorka

You, of all people, should not be calling me an 'idiot.' Your comments show how ignorant you are of centuries of history- centuries of oppression which continue to this very day. You may have memorized some Nazi propaganda, but this doesn't mean you know what you're talking about!

[DezoCorka]

"Your comments show how ignorant you are of centuries of history- centuries of oppression which continue to this very day."

A homework for you: Are you aware of why Gypsies were despised in every country they entered?

[TheTollundWoman]

@DezoCorka

If you know so much, why do you waste time insulting people? You have never cited one statistic, one fact, to prove your point. You don't *know* anything about the Roma. You simply know what Nazis *tell* you about them. And unfortunately, you are willing to believe lies, instead of finding the truth out for yourself.

[DezoCorka]

In contrast with you, you dumbass, I live here, and hence I know everything from first hand experience. Everybody can recognize that you know a big sh*t about Gypsies and you only parrot what you saw in some crappy NGO documentary or read in some sh*tty leftist newspaper. You said it yourself, after all: You simply believe what some NGO parasites tell you, and you are willing to believe lies, instead of finding the truth out for yourself.

[TheTollundWoman]

@Salvia02390

I agree the Roma have a right to their own country *and* to an end to their oppression throughout europe.

but you are incorrect, the Jews did not "steal" Palestine. The first zionists *bought* the land they settled on *and* wanted to leave peacefully with the Arabs. Also they accepted the original two-state solution in 1948, it was Arab Nationalists who rejected it.

[Salvia02390]

When did I ever mention the Jews? Maybe you responded to the wrong comment? Nowhere did I blame anybody, I just said what I saw when I was there. I understand the issue well, I would be furious too if I was living on land where toxic waste was dumped (true story) and jobless. I would like to know what you are convicting me of

[TheTollundWoman]

I wasn't responding to your comment. Sorry...

I think we agree on this issue :D

[interestingramble]

@Salvia02390 not having a job sucks no matter where you are.

[Salvia02390]

i have never said anything to the contrary. i think it's worse though, when you technically can get a job but are blocked from it on purpose.

[DezoCorka]

Gypsies can't get work even technically, because they usually have no useable education.

[DezoCorka]

"I understand the issue well, I would be furious too if I was living on land where toxic waste was dumped (true story) and jobless."

But this is certainly not a problem in the case of Gypsies. They fear work like the Devil fears the holy cross.

[interestingramble]

@Salvia02390 It would be nice if everyone would stop creating children if they weren't successful but if you can't have anything, you can have sex. Trying to stop one leads to the golden race of stupidity because conditions make people. Roma tend to only do "petty" crimes and the economic hardship brought them even more undeserved attention. Everyone wants to eat.

[TheTollundWoman]

@interestingramble

awesome comments! you make great points. thank you :De

[DezoCorka]

"Roma tend to only do "petty" crimes"

Mosquitos also tend to do only petty biting, but when there are too many of them, you have no other option but to flee.

[interestingramble]

if they are a threat to you, then kill them.

[kinggitano]

@interestingramble if you are a threat just kill you!

[chojek69]

hang on romanians are gypsies same shit couse all of u romanians mix together and that is a known fact

[TheTollundWoman]

This is tragic and outrageous. No one should be forced to live in those sort of conditions... especially not on the richest continent in the world. 64 years since the defeat of the Nazis and there are still "ghettoes" in Europe. And none of the major political parties are raising this issue in elections, unless its to spout racist condemnation of an oppressed people.

[davazno1]

You don't know gypsies , many gypsies see their kids as an investment , they turn the little ones into thievs , beggars and prostitutes .

[TheTollundWoman]

Tell me, how many Roma do you know *personally*? Have you ever actually spoken with them or are you just repeating things you've heard?

[davazno1]

I know many , many gypsies , all of them have criminal mentality , i never met a single decent gypsie , all are destructive beings . Ohh they are alowed in schools , they just have to be there but they prefer begging or stealing , it pays better than school witch is in their eyes a waiste of time and only for loosers .

[davazno1]

Don't call them roma , the word roma was invented in the year 2000 and it means absolutly nothing , its not a ethnic name . In europe they are called gypsies or tigani, cigan etc . In my country Romania , there are many minorities ;germans , hungarians , gypsies etc, only the gypsies have problems . WHy ? Hungarians and germans were persecuted by romanians and still they are doing much better than the gypos . WHy ?

[davazno1]

Look at how many children they make , who would make 7 children by the time they have 21 and no job or any other means to support them .

[TheTollundWoman]

you should ask yourself: *why* is that woman not able to get a job to support her family? *Why* are the Roma forced to live in ghettoes, far away from any jobs or opportunities?

[davazno1]

That woman is not able to get a job because she doesen't have any school despite the government granting them money and schoolarships and they also don't give any admitence exams to enter universities , they also barely know the language of the country they live in . School is shamefull to them .A life of crime is very apealling to them .If you make a kid , you'r responsible for his well being until he reaches 18 .The gypsie women are baby factories who don't give a shit about the little ones .

[TheTollundWoman]

A life of crime is appealing to them because there are no jobs in their neighborhoods! School is "shameful" because they aren't allowed to go to the "normal" schools, the government automatically puts them in "special schools"

[davazno1]

Here the gypos are the only minority which must be and is helped by the government ? And 6 out of 10 crimes and inmates are gypsies . Why not , turks or tatars or russians , who live in Romania too .The rich gypsies are worst than the poor ones , they do worse crimes . We need to open our eyes and face facts , gypsies are just scum and parasites who benefit from others .

[davazno1]

I saw what happens to people like you who don't know shit about gypsies and blame others for the problems of gypsies , people like u think gypsies are innocent victims of the society they live in . I saw a cuple of us americans that went to a gypo colony to help those "poor souls" and got raped and stabbed to death within hours of their arrival , they were tortured first , for amusement .

[DezoCorka]

Finally we hear a wise voice from Atlantis! An enlightened E.T. speaking from his spaceship! We needed your opinion and advice! We are simply so backward that we would never find those solutions you offer. Thank you!

[TheTollundWoman]

I'm not "more enlightened", I never said i was.

And I never called anyone "backward". I respect the Roma, I also respect you. and your right to your opinion.

[DezoCorka]

You have no clue about the real situation. It would be much better, when you simply shut up. Your comments can serve only as a sort of entertainment.

[TheTollundWoman]

Tell me, what *is* the "real situation"? If I have no clue surely you can enlighten me...

[DezoCorka]

Why would I waste my time with you, you fool? You obviously didn't bother to read comments below videos, where you post your breathtaking "observations". Why would I write that again, specially for you?

[TheTollundWoman]

And I notice your profile says "Antartica" just like me LOL.

[greenempress1]

they're treated like that cuz their dark. Plain and simple

[balkanmix]

they are not dark.  they are uncivilized , aggressive and try to con you. plain and simple....

[aafaking]

wrong

[freekosovanow]

gypsy are people from india. in kosova we have gypsys they are very poor and some of them robbed our houses after we got thrown out from serbs. and we have also ashkali/egjiptian, they have also darker scin colour but they are no roma, we fled with them together from serbs. but now they have to flee from albaians too

i´m very sorry because some albanians declare them as roma too cause they look similar but to me they are brothers in arms cause they fougt with us

[Jamesny95]

It is absolutley necessary that The Roma have their own country - ROMANESTHAN. The UN must find a solution for us as they found a solution for the Jews. Of course, we cannot go and occupy someone's land as the Jews did in Palestine. We and the UN can negotiate with a nation that is willing to give or sell to us a piece of land.

[MrDemeterSinclair]

Anctarctica woulds be an ideal place.

[Jamesny95]

Whdon't you send your mother there? She could have her twat frozen bitch

[123Fidelio]

Roma already have their own country - its called Albania, LOL.

[TheTollundWoman]

@Jamesny95

The Jews did not "steal" Palestine.

[125RTY]

@Jamesny95 pakistan is a good homeland. North India is where they originated frrom. send all pakis to UK and Ireland and all Roma to pakistan. problem solved.

[milekrizman]

Sri Lanka is also a good solution. Send all wandering Roma to Sri Lanka.

[milekrizman]

Send them to Sri Lanka.

[kezman44]

@Jamesny95 You can have a country, but negociate with India to give you land. That is your homeland, you came to Europe only in 13th century. Go back to Asia! OR, if you can't be humans and work for a living, you must face jail!

[unomnacajit111]

@Jamesny95 How about Poland ??? I know just the place they could give up : AUSCHWITZ !!!

[blondecat666]

@Jamesny95 Geez you are stupid and ignorant. History professor, my ass.

[NafeesLACC]

2:32 that girl on the left looks like a girl from India, the similarity is incredible, wow. kind of feel sad for these "indian" people.

[gypsysisterlove4]

I'm Allso Proud! 2 Say My Entair Fam,,is Married Starding From:Yugoslv Serbs Bosnianc Croats&Ita,,PuertoRicans Colomb Mexicans Turks Korean's&Ruschians Polish Americans Dutch Spanish&Ecet,,,My Own Brother Is Happily Married 2A" German Girl! They Have 3Beautiful Kidd's!:D She Even Speaks! Our Language Another Thing I like 2 Say Is? I'm Not Saying All Our PPl Are 100% Perfect!? But Neither Are These! PPL!:@ 100%PERFECT!:(:( Who Accuse US! GYPSYS! 4Every Rotten Shitt!! Going ON!!

[gypsysisterlove4]

my final&ultimate info! NO OFFENS! 2THE GOOD PPL:)THIS GO'S 2THE UNREIN RACIST PPL! before u jugde our entaire nation just 4being gypsy! judge ur own no good evil&unmoral nation!the HELL! with ur criticts just cuz u ppl own country's!&sport!ecet,,that doesnt make U'the most perfect&innocent! ppl?)not even ur so called white hygien,skinn's! that doesnt give u the right 2jugde us! Next holocaust is for racist people!!don't judge and u! wont be judged! there is only one judge,,his name is God!!!

[rohitkumarindia]

romani people have roots from india , they r nothing but a indians

[LoljaBernalJohnson]

This situation is happening due to the marginalization in which our people are constrained to live by the majority, who is going to give a job to a Rrom in Bulgaria Romania and other countries of the region?, I was there, and you can feel rejection and racism in your skin. But thank God there are many countries in the world where we the Rrom can live a decent life like everybody, even in those mentioned countries above there are some who escaped from poverty too

[jenkudla]

The Romany have been treated inhumanely for centuries, them being labelled as thieves is nothing new. It is very hard to succeed when you are labelled a thief and a good for nothing even before you can learn how to speak. Can any of these people that have posted ignorant messages know how it feels like to face the hate and ill-will that the Rom experience every single day of their lives?? I don't think so. Think before you judge, people. Get off your high horses and learn some compassion.

[centrum9999]

So why do they steal? They wouldn't be labelled as thieves and could succeed! :D Or do they steal from depression that they steal and are hated because of stealing? Well, I think it becomes somewhat complicated. :D

[Sumakuni]

I think if you do some research you will be properly informed.The Rromani have been dicriminated against since what is now recorded since 400AD,before stealing.The new programs for education is for Speacial needs schools,forced stearalisations,jobs even like street sweeping they are fired from,for fun. The list goes on and on. Even with this all that it is only the minority of the millions of Rromani worldwide who actually are"thieves".How many employers do you know that would give A "gyp" a Job

[Sumakuni]

Tey aves tu bout lashee baxt ty satimous ley Develsa, mi bout inka so situ. So that you are given great spiritual fortune and happiness of the one Creator of all ,more then you already have. Thank you so much, very big story no one knows.

[jenkudla]

Thank you for your kind blessings, Sumakuni. It seems that govt programs are just there to get into the EU,there is no sincerity involved. I feel that most people do not want the Rom to come up: Who will do all the shitty jobs then?? Education & positive Rom role models are so imp besides many other things including nutritous food & healthy living conditions. They have to be empowered. Most important of all we (Rom & non-Rom) should help them to do this instead of relying on stupid governments.

[Sumakuni]

I while heartedly agree Jenkudla. Thank you for your kind and wise words, may we heed. I am working and dreaming on helping to inform the people and bring them the accurate healing therapies and nutritional information in a way I know as a Rromani they could hear. In America ailments from nutritional definicies, alleopathic protocols disfunctional lifestyle and such are killing them off younger then our mothers generation like a genoside. As it is with much of Western synthetic living.

[Sumakuni]

The good news is that like the Pima people who use to be the healthiest of tribes whom became the unhealthiest tribes from taking them from thier land and good living to comodities and lethargic lifestyle, so too has this occured within our own circles. As crazy it as it seems, there are some blessings that come to those that did not offer in exchange the "horse" for the "cadilac".

[Sumakuni]

Either lifestyle persecuted and disfunctional would be unhealthy, in any race. There was a young man from the Pima tribes who went to college and now has brought back some of the origional foods. I am endevoring and will acomplish to do the same for our race and any others whom i can touch

[DezoCorka]

"Who will do all the shitty jobs then??"

Who would sit at home and take all those welfare benefits from the state?! Who would fill our prisons? Who would rape our women? Who would produce useless, stupid and degenerated children?! Who would annoy neighbours by garbage and towrow every night?

A scary idea! Europe without Gypsies wouldn't be the Europe we know!

[LoljaBernalJohnson]

I liked your statement jenkudla

[jmkitten1]

I second that.

[unomnacajit111]

@jenkudla I've seen gipsy kids fighting eachother, stealing things, torturing animals, and so on, from the moment they could stand on their feet!! They never learned those things from anyone!! it's in their DNA !! dna changes in thousands of years !! so cut the crap about their discrimination...

[vikingWindmill]

@jenkudla

You should come to Bulgaria or Romania. The gypsies are low life, scum, thieves, backstabbing animals.

[mysamokov]

I live in the Samokov's 'tsiganska mahala' and even an Roma Organisation here told me that solving our problems is impossible... But if everyone escape the real problems and use their efforts only for "usvoiavane na pary/project management" how and when our living conditions will be improved?

Apologizes for the poor English I use here. I hope you could understand me.

[mysamokov]

There are too many problems, and I also can't accept the statement that only the state/government/municipality/­society is responsible. In our countries, still there are many standards and many ways of living. No one is rich, but some people manage to build a decent life with the limited money they could earn and goods they could produce. Some - don't. Even when they buy a house, they use the building to burn in winters and sell the rest as scrap...

[Sumakuni]

They do odd jobs all the time. Farming vegitation miles and miles from thier "home" for monies so pathetic.How many people do you think wants to buy from who they think Gypsies are? How many do you think will give them a job? I am in America, honest ethical, semi educated hardworking and I still get refused work.You really dont know the full story and With respect, please become fully informed before passing judgement,there is a crisis going on.

[szacsi88]

Why don't they clean around their houses? If they has no job, then they has so much freetime. They likes to live on the trash.

[Sumakuni]

The Rromani are documented for having some of the most stringent purity and cleansliness laws in the world; on the borderline of fanatic.There is no one that can keep clean when one is living in places that are yes Garbage dumps,because they are not allowed to live elsewhere,how do you think they feel within thier own cultural laws? How very unkind and inhumane your words sound, how sad for you.You have no idea what our race goes through and how important hard work and being clean is to us.GBU

[szacsi88]

If they are poor, why they make so many babies? If they get FREE houses, why they destroys it? They getting free house from the cities in Hungary too.

[A7xsyn666]

damn right. we need our supermarkets, we dont need the roma. lol. the security guard is right, they do steal more than they buy. in fact, all they do is steal

[rochha]

let them go back to India, they are not homeless

[Sumakuni]

You got to be kidding me right?

[drelli]

sounds like the gypsies of old days. it's amazing how slanted the reporter is. creating such sympathy for them. instead of complaining about the situation, do something positive.

[mimeNo9]

"Gypsies" is the derogatory European term for the Roma.

It's terrible that ethnic minorities in Europe are treated in such ways, cast in ghettos and denigrated.

The reporter is doing something positive: he's bringing awareness to the problem. You can't solve problems without acknowledging them in the first place.

Before this report I had no idea the Roma were living in such conditions in Europe. Those images looked like they were straight out of impoverished India, not Europe.

[drelli]

i am familiar with gypsies. did you hear the reporter say that the gypsies were not allowed in the store because they steal more than they buy? true gypsie character. we had a band of gypsies roam through our neighborhood ringing doorbells and making small talk while another gypsie would break into the garage or house and take whatever they wanted. they felt justified since they were poorer than most people. most gypsies choose to live that existance.

[GeneralPaccepa]

I'm from Romania, and gypsies in Bucharest were given homes by the government. Good homes, good apartments, apartments that citizens must pay for and pay taxes for.

In a short period of time they took out the wood from the floor and windows and burned it for heat, than they brought the horses inside.

It's a problem of mentality.

[Sumakuni]

You are dishonest and mislead the people. It could not be because they are so cold or hungrey. It could not be because they worry about the horse thier only friend much closer then you. It could not be because they have no choice but to sell thier own "shacks" because they are STARVING! Programs please. Speacial need schools, misled media making all of you hate us and yes they will steal to survive no school,job and hate. I know you have no one in your race that steals, right?

[centrum9999]

Don't denigrate them and give them new clean flats every second year! After they demolish them and bury under the heaps of garbage, give them new ones - and new ones! And your large heart will be pleased! :D

[Sumakuni]

You really have no clue to what you are saying, please become informed. You are being watched by the Creator of all religions and babies, people are suffering greatly, Really,no offense towards you.All you have to do before you join discrimination is research and read the true documentation from non Rromani and educated Rromani sources. Tey aven kho yaka petradey, so your eyes be opened.

[drelli]

i feel for you, sumakuni. all Gods people need to take responsibility for their own actions. the roma (gypsies) need to turn their lives around and take advantage of goverment programs to better themselves, not perpetuate their meager existance and then blame it on everyone else. I pray your eyes will be opened to compassion for ALL involved, not just the roma. through hard work and good morals, my family overcame tremendous hardships in this country. sumakuni, you are in my prayers.

[Sumakuni]

Drelli I do not think your words felt prayerful,or feels like it is comming from a compassionate(not pitiful)Great spirit our Creator of all religions is, big difference.

Again if you actually "looked into it"

without assumtions (as you know what ass-uming does),you would be able to see our very impressive World controbutions,Amazing history of over comming time and time again the "hardest" hit racisim in world history.

[drelli]

sumakuni, i wish i knew what you were talking about. you may not think my words sound prayerful to you, but they are very prayerful. perhaps you should seek guidance from your spiritual leader for compassion for people who have a different opinion than you. i have compassion (not pity) for you because you sound like me in some ways. i am very concerned about people who are oppressed by their government, as i believe you are. we just have a difference of opinion in this matter.