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pulta que paril

[CoffeeBeatsTea]

iz nize!

[fitoldgit]

"Haile's great form is a result of running barefoot most of his early years. You will never be able to run like this until you go minimal or barefoot."

And you know this how?

Look at pictures of Haile winning races at school - he is wearing shoes.

He has been running in shoes for his entire career - far longer than he spent running 10k to school and back, so even if he did run barefoot then, the logical conclusion is that his current form is a result of him wearing shoes.

[tadaa11]

@fitoldgit He said it in his movie. He might have been wearing racing flats which is basically the same thing. As you say he ran 10k twice a day for 10 years. This is how he developed his running form. Check out his form when hes running easy. It looks just like the pose method.

[toby099]

Haile's great form is a result of running barefoot most of his early years. You will never be able to run like this until you go minimal or barefoot.

[Macholtz438]

Halie is a once in a lifetime runner. Don't get me wrong so is bekele, but Halie G. set a standard in distance running like no one has in his era. Bekele is Set to once again raise the bar in the sence of previous yrs. Like Tagot before Halie, Bekele inline after Halie, they all did what at their time was seemingly impossible Possible. Hicham El Guerrouj too was & is a near perfect example to Study. Yes i know he's a 1500m-5k (now retired) Middle Distance runner but his stride is beautiful.

[geheimzinnigheid]

beautiful form

[medesmond1]

lol...the analysis is not entirely correct. Haile is at an angle in the video. His position needs to be totally perpandicular with the vision.

[aaardvarkkk]

@medesmond1 That's exactly what I noticed, which makes about 50% of the narrator's observation incorrect.

[joeyyowee]

@medesmond1 Yea I was thinking the same thing. I think his form is actually even more similar to the pose method than the video shows.

[medliberty]

My guess is that whatever defects there may be in Geb's running style are caused by his shoes. If he were to run barefooted, you would see perfect form. However, he is sponsored by a shoe company and therefore must wear whatever shoes they dictate.

I saw another youtube video (this one from behind Geb) that showed him to be an extreme pronator. Again, I think this was due to wearing shoes. The fact that Geb is Geb speaks to factors other than style defects caused by shoes.

[yotapact]

when he was a kid, and had to run 20k every day, he had no shoes, but I guess, your running form can be changed, even after you've been running one way for years

[viperdude281]

If his shoe was messing him up, he could ditch his sponser and get another one almost instantly.

[pabanil]

When he was in Elementary, he run 10km from home to school and run again from school to home with no shoes.

and he said "the secret of my success is my background now, and i dont want to back of my old lifestyle."

Nahum

[toby099]

@medliberty

That is very true, imagine how much faster and injury free he would be without the shoes which defect his running form. But he has to pay the bills.........

[sabretoothed99]

Dr Romanov is a legend, I used to get injured all the time, now I run 100km + a week pain free with minimal footwear. If you bag him its only because you are ignorant.

[JacktheDaniels]

Sorry, I was replying to dasicmankev, I don't know why the reply didn't appear under his/her original post like it should have.

[JacktheDaniels]

To achieve the best possible time over any distance requires optimized running mechanics, meaning the mechanics must be as efficient as possible.

So in terms of running mechanics, Bolt and Geb's respective efficiencies are comparable. In terms of energy efficiency, obviously Geb is far and away superior to Bolt, but that is because of the requirements of his event, his subsequent training, and his genetics gifts as opposed to those of Bolt, not running form.

[CE818]

who is speaking? borat!

[mohdito]

@CE818 Dr. Romanov of Pose Running Technique

[zachary261]

I maintain my stance that it's arrogant for Romanov to critique Haile Gebrselassie. It should be Haile Gebrselassie doing the critiquing of Romanov's methods.

I think Romanov's POSE method is just another one of those marketing scams. I've read that some universities or health professionals aren't giving the POSE method their endorsement. There are some studies which show individuals suffering from various injuries after embarking on the POSE method.

[zachary261]

The POSE method strictly requires a runner not to land on his heels. That's definitely not an advice for everyone. The heavier the runner, the more the ball-toe technique will cause injuries like Achilles tendinitis.

Running form should be just natural and based on the individual's unique biomechanics. And that's for the individual to discern, not Dr. Romanov and his stupid inventions. Perhaps the POSE technique will work for some. But it's not to be used as a general principle.

[zachary261]

It really takes some nerve for Dr. Romanov to judge Haile Gebrselassie---even pointing out so-called mistakes in Haile's running gait. We're talking about the world record holder in marathon! Try beating Haile's 2:03 marathon time first before you go judging him.

[posetv]

He is not judging, he is analyzing Zachary261. It takes knowledge not nerves. Dr. Romanov is one of the most sought after running specialists in the world. Now if you were to critique HG - that could be viewed as arrogance.

[Roshibear]

So by your reasoning if Geb runs more efficiently than Bolt he should be able to run a 100m in world record time. I have my doubts that Geb can run under 10 sec. for the 100m, much less in record time, even if he trained for it.

This is just not a good argument, by which I mean it fallacious.

[HaileHailu]

talk about a picture being worth a thousand words. this romanov guy means business.

[unclejoe1953]

Delusional claptrap from the Doctor- OF COURSE!! It's POSE! Please! :) :) :)

[Tomatom75]

Finaly! Thank You!! Now THIS IS RUNNING!!!!

Many tahks!!!!!!!!!

Tom

[hewagoda]

a perfect running stride.....

[hewagoda]

great

[jbuschini]

Gebrselassie running is the perfect examlpe of flawlesss form. He's the greatest and most versatile distance runner of all time (3:52 mile,8:01 2mile, 12:39 5k, 26:22 10k all the way up to 2:04 marathon!) Won 10k gold in 200 with a 25.2 second final 200m kick!

[Roshibear]

You and Gebrselassie are in disagreement then. Because he recognizes that if nothing else he runs with an asymmetrical and therefor inefficient are swing. Since he carried his books in right arm on his runs to school as a child he runs with a distinct bend in his right arm.

No long distance runners form is perfect. And Gebreselassie is nowhere near as efficient a runner as Usain Bolt. Nevertheless his form is very beautiful to watch.

[kidruns]

Bolt=sprinter

Gebreselassie=distance

that is apples and oranges my friend.

Gebreselassie is near perfect in distance running form.

[Roshibear]

On the one hand you echo my comments then on the other you suggest that the comparison is fallacious. Which is it?

You say it yourself Gebreselassie's form is only "near perfect", and seem to concede that it is less perfect than Bolt's.

So I repeat, no long distance runners form is perfect, and Gebreselassie is nowhere near as efficient a runner as Bolt.

I am referring to their efficiency given the differences that would exist from running at different speeds, e.g. angle of hip flexion.

[ckpps]

If we really want to be pretentious and pedantic, Roshibear, he carried his books in his left arm, not his right. Hence his left arm's distinctive crook.

And the reason 'no long distance runners [sic] form is perfect' is the same as the reason no sprinter's form is perfect - Bolt notwithstanding. There IS no perfect standard of form against which each competitor must measure. The efficiency of a form is too dependent upon each runner's physiology to make the sweeping comparison/contrast you do.

[Roshibear]

How is it pretentious or pedantic to point that out? Perhaps petty is what you meant, but I don't think it was that either. I've been waiting for somebody to correct me.

However while you are also correct that no runner's form is perfect you wrong to suggest that runner's forms are dependent upon their individual physiology's. Foot placement is a physical constant for everybody. If your foot lands too far out in front of you these things are going to happen irrespective of differences in ....

[Roshibear]

individual physiology (here I am using foot placement only as an indicative example): one will increase the energy spent on balance, vertical displacement and support. Impact forces will increase while propulsion from elastic recoil will dramatically decrease due to the amount of time the foot now will remain on the ground. Coast time over the foot will increase and consequently there will be greater deceleration during that part of the stride causing the need for a more forceful...

[Roshibear]

muscle contraction to maintain average running speed. Individual differences in physiology doesn't change the optimal foot placement relative the body. The same is true for other aspects of the stride such as degree of hip flexion etc.

These factors will change relative to the speed a runner is running. The foot placement will be a little farther out, while running than sprinting while the degree of hip flexion will be slighter; but these types of factors will be consistent across runners.

[justinwilliamdoran]

@ckpps everyone, regardless of size and shape, can approach one "perfect" form. This is true in dead-lifting, throwing, swimming, ect. Any human movement (besides interpretive movement like dance) has a perfect method. So long as you have two legs, two arms and a torso then moving efficiently is independent size and shape.

***by perfect I simply mean most efficient. I accept that there are other factors (such as environment) that could effect the movement.

[aridavidpaul]

@justinwilliamdoran Consider two runners; one is naturally muscular with fast twitch muscle fibers. Without much effort, this runner explodes forward when making contact with the ground. Runner #2 has slow twitch muscle fibers. He can thus take many strides without tiring but any given explosive movement would be tiring. Runner #1's most efficient running method would make use of his genetics and involved a longer stride. Runner #2 would run most efficiently with shorter strides.

[HaileHailu]

where do you get this idea from that geb is not as efficient as bolt. nobodys form is perfect.

[Roshibear]

Because of human nature. Bolt needs to make hi form as efficient as possible because he's dealing with hundreds of a second while Gebreselassie has much more of a margin for error. In terms of where to spend limited training resources, such as time and energy Bolt has the incentive in spending it on making infinitesimally small corrections to run more efficiently while Geb doesn't. This is why long distance runners in general don't spend much energy on their running form and Geb has never...

[Roshibear]

bothered to correct his asymmetrical arm swing.

[HaileHailu]

That's true that sprinters have more time to correct their running form than do distance runners simply because they have more time because of what their training requires (ex they don't do 2 hour runs, etc...) It makes sense that Bolt would be more efficient than Haile for that reason but how can you compare their running form especially when one is a sprinter and the other a distance runner? In short, how can you prove that one is more efficent than the other?

[deathsthirdhand]

in short why would it matter if bolt has a more efficient form if he cannot sustain that forms pace for very long, like someone was saying it's like breathing, it really depends on the person and the situation