well, I believe tatars era the remains of Aryans, that came from Iran & Irac: by they've just mixed up with so many other nationalities so that you can't exactly say anything...
The only good point that tatars are still alive and carry their culture anywhere in the world: proudly saying "I'm tatar".
TATAR,TARTARUS- ONDER WORLD, this is NO GOOD name for A BIG NICE NATION OF GREAT WOLGA BULGARIA, our grand vaders give 1-st REZISTANCE to Mongol-tataars Truubs,
FREEDOM OF TATARSTAN mast BE START from CALLING us BY NORMAL NAME: Wolga Bulgars...i'not happy to call myself: tatar,have a look to the history at The year 1920 when MEN GET this name; tatar BY BOLSHEVIK's , lot people's was not AGREE, but NEWER TO LATE to CHENGE IT!
5-stars very interesting!...some american military see tartarstan as russias next war like muslim chechnya!...russian whites racists and hate your muslim guts! move into st.petersburg and fly tartarstan flag on your mosque!-milwaukee(m-60a3tts)
Greetings to Tatarstan from Danube Bulgaria.Nevermind what someone is trying to convince us in-that we are slavs ot turks,I don't care.We are bulgars!That is enough!Why does that have to mean something else-it says enough about the good and the bad that we carry!
Tatar is word that russian people use for islamic peoples in this part of Asia.
Old name of Tatarstan is Voljka Bulgaria and peoples there are bulgarians not turks you have to read a lot history . The peoples there dont have any conection whit the turkish bastards
you have right bulgarians is not tatar bulgarians is motherfuckers and a folk a bastards of russians look the tatatrs face and a bulgarians face witch book of History you read from russians lie History liberty. tatars is a family from turkfolk and bulgarians not is slavish o.k slavish Idiot
Please, don't quarrel with nations, modern tatars are mix of 3 components: bulgar, kipchak and mordvin. two of these components are turk: bulgar and kipchak.
Bulgar and Kipchak were almost the same tribe. They are from the old Bulga Oguria - the United Oguria! This video again implays the Bulgars were from Volga which is the comunist propaganda for many years. Bulgars came to Volga from south not the other way around.
@IArYAI Bolgars have NOTHING to do with some "Ogurs". Bolga means Volga and Volga (Vol, Volos, Veles, Taurus) was old Slavic river Ra. Tartaria was old Russia that in era of jewish tsar Peter I was compiled to western history. Over 5000 of Russian history was stolen away.
@Huumiindur bulgars are originally turkish tribe but never mind
btw: tatars are turks and nothing can change it hopefully so stop to spread lies about turks.You may be degenerated and asimilated but turks do not let themselves get asimilated.
If you are non-turk then you are not tatar.Then you are yat and bashka.
Mozaiklara saygi, Budist, Müsliman,Hiristiyan, musevi hatta Saman, bütün mezhepleriyle fark gözetmeden kardes olabiliyormuyuz? Kardesligimizi güclendirebiliyormuyuz? Basariya giden ancak bu yoldur. Toplumlar azinliklari dislamamali, hepimiz Adem babamizdan Havva anamizdan kardes degilmiyiz?
The international community having recognizing the state independence of Kosovo, and the Russian Federation having recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Bayramova says, must recognize the independence of the Republic of Tatarstan! The Tatar nation has every right to live in its own independent state!
i za tangra, niama nito edno dokazatelstvo 4e bulgarite sme viarvali v tangra. tova e samo teoria koqto se prema kato nai-dostoverna za6toto sme bili nomadski narod a vsi4ki nomadski narodi sa imali kult kum nebeto.
Bulgarians where tartarian nomad peoples who eventually moved into the Balkans and became the overlords of the local (mostly slav by then) population. The sources I read are the ones written by Byzantine historians who describe them as similar to the Panzikans (another Tatarian tribe)
Yeah, that is exactly what the russians want everyone to believe. What are these sources you've red?
and in these sources appears that Byzantines just looked at hats of the Bulgars and concluded that they are tatars. Dont forget that Byzantines hated Bulgas since they got bit by them often. also Byzantines are notorius for writing history the way they like it.
So, in "History of Tatar (1-8) by The Institute of History" says that Bulgars originated in Tatarstan ?? if they made that statement the "Academy of Sciences institute in Kazan Republic"'s credibility is in question. Bulgars went to there yes, but they did not come from there. If there are people of Bulgar descend there now .. most likely yes.
stop to faking bg layers! Bolgars is your realy name! not bilgar ! some one seen in arian istoriq word of " balhar" and one bulgar seen that and hes say we are balhars hahahaha ! right this is bulgarian history! and they now try to make Turkic God ( tengri ) form arians! bulgars belived Tangra(tengri)! tangra is tatar dialekt !
It doesn't mather if they are mongloid or not, it's not about the race, it's all about the ethnic identity. The Bulgars you mentioned about are in fact Turkic people who have been mixed up with local Slavs en converted to Christianity. So calling the Bulgars "indo-europian" is not completely correct according to their history.
No, not really, although I know what you are trying to say. Anyone who has the Bulgarian nationality (if you are black or white doesn't matter) is a Bulgarian. While the term "Bulgar" refers to a ethnic identity. Anyhow, it is not a coincidence that Bulgaria is named like that. The suffix "-ia" means "land of". So Bulgar-ia means "Land of the Bulgars". Like Croat-ia, Ind-ia, Turch-ia, Arab-ia...
Because I mentioned the Bulgars in Bulgaria, I clearly did not mixe up those two (different) terms. The Bulgars were a Turkic tribe assimilated nowdays to Slavs. This is how it works, ask any anthropologist or historian.
Actually original Bulgars and Bulgarians from Bulgaria DONT have much in common except ethnonym. And it is you who better ask any ethnologist about that not me. Peoples many times change their ethnonym but this is mostly all that changes.
It seems you don't know what assimilation can do with the culture of people. I have enough of this, everyone is free to believe in anything, even if it's a lie. I'd rather keep myselfs stuck to academic theories in stead of self-fulfilling prophecies.
Of course I know. But acceptance of an ethnonym doesnt necessarily mean that people assimilate. In history there ware many cases in which people just started to name themselwes with different ethnonym without much change.
And it is still not clear wheather Volga Bulgars were Turkic. There also exists theory that they were originally Iranic. Anthropology actually supports that theory.
You can say what you want, the widely and officially accepted theory about the Bulgars is quite clear. In fact, the Chuvash people in the Russian Federation are said to be dessendents too of these Bulgars.
No difference at all. Bulgars/Bolgars/Balkhar/Vulgars and many others, are only phonetic changes. Since Slavs were never Bulgars (whatever name you choose), nowdays we use to say Modern Bulgars/Bulgarians...
But after they put together after the Golden Hord´s attacks, there must have been intermariages or making new babies. So, who are real Tatars/half Tatars? Similiar happened when Bulgars mingled with Slavs. Once whole Russia was called tatarstan by foreign countries.
Assimilation=babymaking=intermariage. You can not be assimilated if you are on your own - just like Gypsies who live side by side with other nations. The are either integrated or assimilated.
Tatarlar mne oldi?V to vremya mongolo-tatarskoe igo nikogo ne obidelo i smeshalis oni so vsemi s kem ne len bilo... do not forget ur great history!Ne vospolyaites na pochve racizma...a tak RESPECT!
Not all people are turks.Volga tatars=bulgars !We are brothers and we,ll find way to each other !Bulgarians,balkarians,chuvashians,volga tatars wake up !
:))) bulgar word to old turk word :) tatarian ( turuk ) , kazaks (turik ) , azeri ( turk ) , turkish (turk) , uygur ( toruk ).
what know ? :) and our gradgradpa from on-ogur ( oguz tribes ) , and after returning of europeans huns , on-ugur mixed with tatars , kumans , mogols , hazars , for that we called you bolgar ( mixed )...
Ridvane, nali ti obqsnih, che bulgarite sme v evropa/caucas ot 1 vek predi novata era, a hunite(purvite turki v evropa) dostigat Evrasia prez 2-3 vek. Pravi smetka.
In fackt. The word Bulgar/Bolgar... is older than the word "Türk". But we were always mixed: tribes with another brotherly tribes = same ethnic people/Race. Bul = Federative name and can apply to any Era. Türk is also Federative name, given by Chenese.
Many nations have through times changed their language or have been influenced by it - still not of the same origin. You have to follow the red wire, not speculations. Bulgarians were in many places, and one of them could have been Persia -- just like Mongols were in Persia. Secondly, scholars claim that Turanic people and Türkic are related.
It is still debatable if Bulgars were Turkic or Iranic so you cant know if their ethnonym had any meaning and in which language. So dont try with something that even hasnt been proved yet.
You don't have proof against my theory. There are many proofs for the Türkic (not Turkic) theory that some scholars want to deny. You can not erase the fact that Bulgarian folklores and songs are very close to the Mongolian. Plus old chronicles. But there is also something that indicates of the Iranian theory - no really proofs, just language theories. Only language it self is not proof enough for this new theory.
And you dont have any proovs aganinst other theories. There isnt any difference between Turkic and the way you wrote it. In English language this kind of letters isnt in use.
Many nations have through times changed their language or have been influenced by it - still not of the same origin. You have to follow the red wire, not speculations. Bulgarians were in many places, and one of them could have been Persia -- just like Mongols were in Persia. Secondly, scholars claim that Turanic people and Türkic are related.
abe prostak bolgar ne ozna4ava smesen (mixed) ti glupav li si!!!!!bolgar znachi mudur... po dobre ni6ty ne pishi i ot kude ti hrumna che sme turki? Balhara kude e be? kolko sporim che ne sme turki ti tuka pishesh gluposti!
mi nema lo6o 4e se interesuva6 ot bulgarskata istoria daje e hubavo, no triabva da pro4ete6 nekoi knigi naprimer na profesor bojidar dimitrov ili gleday 'bulgarite' dokumentalnata poredica na btv 6tot za mn ne6ta ne si prav. istina e 4e voljkite bulgari sa bili musulmani tva site go znaem, no bulgariate ne sme bili tatari, numadi da, no ne tatari. bili sme vragove s tatarite, po blizki sme kato etni4eska grupa moje bi do skitite za6toto sme imali ob6ta kultura.
Sort of true. There probably were about 50,000 Mongols who settled in Altyn Orda and who assimilated with the local people. Especially if a Tatar has a noble lineage, your y-chromosome should be traceable to Chinggisids. I guess it's popular to be "European" these days, so I understand your post, but your ancestors 500 years ago would have proudly declared their (at least partial) Mongol lineage.
HabibiLooks, please don't ascribe racist views to me, you don't even know me. Forget about chromosomes and look at the faces of Volga Tatars. You will see that Volga Tatars do not look oriental, unlike Mongols.
Als Urlaubsland ist Tatarstan wunderschön und meiner Meinung nach sollte jeder wenigstens einmal das Land gesehen haben
Il00OOll 7 months ago
PLESE RUSSIAN FREE TATARSTAN AND BASHKOROSTAN AS INDEPENDENT NATION..THEY HAVE OW CULTURE LANGUAGE RELIGION(ISLAM)..
sayyid14 1 year ago
I heard Khan pickled and diced the entrails of the Tartars, mixed them with mayo, and spread them on fish dinners. Hence the origin of the sauce.
nathanwilefrazier 1 year ago
well, I believe tatars era the remains of Aryans, that came from Iran & Irac: by they've just mixed up with so many other nationalities so that you can't exactly say anything...
The only good point that tatars are still alive and carry their culture anywhere in the world: proudly saying "I'm tatar".
zulfiya86 1 year ago
TATAR,TARTARUS- ONDER WORLD, this is NO GOOD name for A BIG NICE NATION OF GREAT WOLGA BULGARIA, our grand vaders give 1-st REZISTANCE to Mongol-tataars Truubs,
FREEDOM OF TATARSTAN mast BE START from CALLING us BY NORMAL NAME: Wolga Bulgars...i'not happy to call myself: tatar,have a look to the history at The year 1920 when MEN GET this name; tatar BY BOLSHEVIK's , lot people's was not AGREE, but NEWER TO LATE to CHENGE IT!
azatmalikartstudio 2 years ago
tartars had their own country many years ago why they aren`t trying to get freedom
jamexxxxxx 2 years ago 8
Слава Волжской Булгарии!
Shihmars 2 years ago 7
5-stars very interesting!...some american military see tartarstan as russias next war like muslim chechnya!...russian whites racists and hate your muslim guts! move into st.petersburg and fly tartarstan flag on your mosque!-milwaukee(m-60a3tts)
rocketshipstud2 2 years ago 2
english subtitles please
princefy 2 years ago 2
Greetings to Tatarstan from Danube Bulgaria.Nevermind what someone is trying to convince us in-that we are slavs ot turks,I don't care.We are bulgars!That is enough!Why does that have to mean something else-it says enough about the good and the bad that we carry!
DimitarDobrinov 2 years ago 2
Исэнмесез татарлар. У нас есть своя родимая земля. Татария! Чужой земли нам не надо, но и на своей хозяева только МЫ!
116Mercury 2 years ago
Tatars, greetings from your Bulgar-tatar brothers!
Brodski25 3 years ago 2
Turk Brothers
AZER1FIGHTER 3 years ago
TENGRI TÜRKÜ KORUSUN!! God save all Turk nations!
ShamanicTurk 3 years ago
Greetings to the beautyfool Bulgarstan!
wildboymk 3 years ago 2
Здравей "македонски" еничарю, ще ти дам един съвет - прочети малко световна история.
gazzzo0 3 years ago 4
Primeni si go toj sovet prvo na tebe!
wildboymk 3 years ago
Tatar is word that russian people use for islamic peoples in this part of Asia.
Old name of Tatarstan is Voljka Bulgaria and peoples there are bulgarians not turks you have to read a lot history . The peoples there dont have any conection whit the turkish bastards
Huumiindur 3 years ago
you have right bulgarians is not tatar bulgarians is motherfuckers and a folk a bastards of russians look the tatatrs face and a bulgarians face witch book of History you read from russians lie History liberty. tatars is a family from turkfolk and bulgarians not is slavish o.k slavish Idiot
altayhun 3 years ago
tell me where you find histiry books tell mi please
Huumiindur 3 years ago 2
Hey Hun, Bulgars are from the Caucases. There is no probem with being Mongol. Mongols are great. We are just explaining what Bulgars are that is all.
IArYAI 2 years ago 5
Please, don't quarrel with nations, modern tatars are mix of 3 components: bulgar, kipchak and mordvin. two of these components are turk: bulgar and kipchak.
Tkhis 2 years ago
you are so so so brainwashed I dont want to lose my words for you
Huumiindur 2 years ago 2
I am tatar and I know my history :)
Tkhis 2 years ago
Bulgar and Kipchak were almost the same tribe. They are from the old Bulga Oguria - the United Oguria! This video again implays the Bulgars were from Volga which is the comunist propaganda for many years. Bulgars came to Volga from south not the other way around.
IArYAI 2 years ago 4
@IArYAI Bolgars have NOTHING to do with some "Ogurs". Bolga means Volga and Volga (Vol, Volos, Veles, Taurus) was old Slavic river Ra. Tartaria was old Russia that in era of jewish tsar Peter I was compiled to western history. Over 5000 of Russian history was stolen away.
VendPrekmurec 8 months ago
@Huumiindur bulgars are originally turkish tribe but never mind
btw: tatars are turks and nothing can change it hopefully so stop to spread lies about turks.You may be degenerated and asimilated but turks do not let themselves get asimilated.
If you are non-turk then you are not tatar.Then you are yat and bashka.
NothingWithoutALLAH 1 year ago
Kim senin 'yasa'nı çignemedi ki söyle?
Günahsız bir ömrün ne tadı kalır söyle.
Yaptığım kötülüğü kötülükle ödetirsen eğer
Seninle benim aramda ne fark kalır ki söyle.
Mozaiklara saygi, Budist, Müsliman,Hiristiyan, musevi hatta Saman, bütün mezhepleriyle fark gözetmeden kardes olabiliyormuyuz? Kardesligimizi güclendirebiliyormuyuz? Basariya giden ancak bu yoldur. Toplumlar azinliklari dislamamali, hepimiz Adem babamizdan Havva anamizdan kardes degilmiyiz?
CO48 3 years ago
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The international community having recognizing the state independence of Kosovo, and the Russian Federation having recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Bayramova says, must recognize the independence of the Republic of Tatarstan! The Tatar nation has every right to live in its own independent state!
GreatSatan1 3 years ago
@ iliaskets: polish tatars aren't slavic!! theyre a part of the turanian world and a part of the turkic ethnic!!! so pls be careful what you tell!!
Erk4One 3 years ago
I'm polish tartar
Marek427 3 years ago 2
Turkey + Tatarstan = Friendship ,)
bozkurt35 3 years ago
i za tangra, niama nito edno dokazatelstvo 4e bulgarite sme viarvali v tangra. tova e samo teoria koqto se prema kato nai-dostoverna za6toto sme bili nomadski narod a vsi4ki nomadski narodi sa imali kult kum nebeto.
naskoJudo 3 years ago
hehehe kak nqma be! gleday gobri6tieto na bolgarite w asia (misliq 4e be6e w kyrgyzistan ). posle gowori :D
ridvanco 3 years ago
the old Tartarian Bulgarians had already faded into the population. Similar to how the old Viking Rus melded into the Slav population of Russia.
That is my understanding of it, the first accounts of the Bulgarians by the Greeks say they where related to the Panzikans. But, unlike the Panzikans,
they had time to mix up with the slav population before the Byzantines retook control of the area.
ridvanco 4 years ago
Bulgarians where tartarian nomad peoples who eventually moved into the Balkans and became the overlords of the local (mostly slav by then) population. The sources I read are the ones written by Byzantine historians who describe them as similar to the Panzikans (another Tatarian tribe)
ridvanco 4 years ago
Yeah, that is exactly what the russians want everyone to believe. What are these sources you've red?
and in these sources appears that Byzantines just looked at hats of the Bulgars and concluded that they are tatars. Dont forget that Byzantines hated Bulgas since they got bit by them often. also Byzantines are notorius for writing history the way they like it.
IArYAI 2 years ago 5
Sources - History of Tatar (1-8) by The Institute of History, the Tatarstan Academy of Sciencesinstitute in Kazan Republic of Tatarstan.
Tkhis 2 years ago
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So, in "History of Tatar (1-8) by The Institute of History" says that Bulgars originated in Tatarstan ?? if they made that statement the "Academy of Sciences institute in Kazan Republic"'s credibility is in question. Bulgars went to there yes, but they did not come from there. If there are people of Bulgar descend there now .. most likely yes.
IArYAI 2 years ago
Tu-küe=Türküt=Türkit
Türküz=Türkü=Turkyt=Turkid=Twrky=Türk
Hung=Khun=Kün=Hun
Hiung-nu=Hyiung-nu=Hsiung-nu=Hunlar=Proto Türkler
Chuni=Hunlar
T'u-chüe=Gök-Türkler
Kök-Türük=Gök-Türk
ridvanco 4 years ago
Türük=Türk
Tu-ku=Türk
Tu-cüe=Türkler
Uz=Tork=Oğuz
ridvanco 4 years ago
spa05akw
stop to faking bg layers! Bolgars is your realy name! not bilgar ! some one seen in arian istoriq word of " balhar" and one bulgar seen that and hes say we are balhars hahahaha ! right this is bulgarian history! and they now try to make Turkic God ( tengri ) form arians! bulgars belived Tangra(tengri)! tangra is tatar dialekt !
ridvanco 4 years ago
Apparently you still beleve communist bullshit bulgars arn't from turkic origin
search for "Origins of the Bulgarians"
I understand your lack of knolege seeing as your from the Netherlands but dont tell me where im from please!
calquebg 4 years ago 2
thanks!!!
Bambolina07 4 years ago 2
The Tatars aren't mongoloid because they mixed with the Bulgrs, who were europoid.
Actually most "Kazan tatars" today are in fact Bulgars from what I've seen and heard.
patkakurmama 4 years ago
that ignorant and not correct. most Kazan Tatars are Mongolian descended.
cortezawwris 4 years ago
the ones I've seen don't look really mongoloid to me
patkakurmama 4 years ago
well don't live in kazan or tatarstan i do sorry, I find it a great insult by that
cortezawwris 4 years ago 2
It doesn't mather if they are mongloid or not, it's not about the race, it's all about the ethnic identity. The Bulgars you mentioned about are in fact Turkic people who have been mixed up with local Slavs en converted to Christianity. So calling the Bulgars "indo-europian" is not completely correct according to their history.
boombastic911 4 years ago
There is a difference between Bulgars and Bulgarians. Do not confuse these two words.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago
No, not really, although I know what you are trying to say. Anyone who has the Bulgarian nationality (if you are black or white doesn't matter) is a Bulgarian. While the term "Bulgar" refers to a ethnic identity. Anyhow, it is not a coincidence that Bulgaria is named like that. The suffix "-ia" means "land of". So Bulgar-ia means "Land of the Bulgars". Like Croat-ia, Ind-ia, Turch-ia, Arab-ia...
boombastic911 4 years ago
Because I mentioned the Bulgars in Bulgaria, I clearly did not mixe up those two (different) terms. The Bulgars were a Turkic tribe assimilated nowdays to Slavs. This is how it works, ask any anthropologist or historian.
boombastic911 4 years ago
Actually original Bulgars and Bulgarians from Bulgaria DONT have much in common except ethnonym. And it is you who better ask any ethnologist about that not me. Peoples many times change their ethnonym but this is mostly all that changes.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago
It seems you don't know what assimilation can do with the culture of people. I have enough of this, everyone is free to believe in anything, even if it's a lie. I'd rather keep myselfs stuck to academic theories in stead of self-fulfilling prophecies.
boombastic911 4 years ago
Of course I know. But acceptance of an ethnonym doesnt necessarily mean that people assimilate. In history there ware many cases in which people just started to name themselwes with different ethnonym without much change.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago 3
And it is still not clear wheather Volga Bulgars were Turkic. There also exists theory that they were originally Iranic. Anthropology actually supports that theory.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago 2
You can say what you want, the widely and officially accepted theory about the Bulgars is quite clear. In fact, the Chuvash people in the Russian Federation are said to be dessendents too of these Bulgars.
boombastic911 4 years ago
Actually, Chuvash people probably arent direct descendants of Volga Bulgars. At least genetically. They are closer to local Finnic populations.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago
No difference at all. Bulgars/Bolgars/Balkhar/Vulgars and many others, are only phonetic changes. Since Slavs were never Bulgars (whatever name you choose), nowdays we use to say Modern Bulgars/Bulgarians...
spa05akw 4 years ago
Volga Bulgars definitely werent, but nowadays Bulgarians in a great majority are Slavic.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago
oh fuck now you trying to steal our people?? tatars are Turkic people you are slavic pls be carefull
iliaskets 3 years ago
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Why тhey call himself Tatar, they are not tatar, they are Vogla Bulgarians
vlezz 4 years ago
You are stupid. Tatars and Volga Bulgarians are different peoples.
AndreyPestryakov 4 years ago 2
But after they put together after the Golden Hord´s attacks, there must have been intermariages or making new babies. So, who are real Tatars/half Tatars? Similiar happened when Bulgars mingled with Slavs. Once whole Russia was called tatarstan by foreign countries.
spa05akw 4 years ago
Assimilation and intermarriage are two different things. There was more the assimilation thing.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago
Assimilation=babymaking=intermariage. You can not be assimilated if you are on your own - just like Gypsies who live side by side with other nations. The are either integrated or assimilated.
spa05akw 4 years ago
Assimilation is more suitable word in this case.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago
Tatarlar mne oldi?V to vremya mongolo-tatarskoe igo nikogo ne obidelo i smeshalis oni so vsemi s kem ne len bilo... do not forget ur great history!Ne vospolyaites na pochve racizma...a tak RESPECT!
Really nice video!
KoreecKG 4 years ago 2
bro we all brovaz man keep represnting ur country dats all u gta do
youngfelon88 4 years ago
Tatar = Turk
Tatarstan is Land on Tatar Turks
Tanri Turku korusun ve yuceltsin
cCcUralAltaycCc 4 years ago 2
Not all people are turks.Volga tatars=bulgars !We are brothers and we,ll find way to each other !Bulgarians,balkarians,chuvashians,volga tatars wake up !
novozagorec 4 years ago
volgabulgars = chuva6 and tatars, but volga bulgars was first muslims of turkic tribes ...
ridvanco 4 years ago
Da 922 AD priemat islama za da sa nezavisimi ot khazarite.Bulgarite ne sa turci.Imeto bulgar e po-staro ot imeto turk.
novozagorec 4 years ago
:))) bulgar word to old turk word :) tatarian ( turuk ) , kazaks (turik ) , azeri ( turk ) , turkish (turk) , uygur ( toruk ).
what know ? :) and our gradgradpa from on-ogur ( oguz tribes ) , and after returning of europeans huns , on-ugur mixed with tatars , kumans , mogols , hazars , for that we called you bolgar ( mixed )...
ridvanco 4 years ago
tatars , kumans and hazars were other turkic nations !
ridvanco 4 years ago
Ridvane, nali ti obqsnih, che bulgarite sme v evropa/caucas ot 1 vek predi novata era, a hunite(purvite turki v evropa) dostigat Evrasia prez 2-3 vek. Pravi smetka.
patkakurmama 4 years ago 2
predi hunite , avarite otiwat evropa , sled huntie pe4engite i sel4uklite otiwat ...
ridvanco 4 years ago
In fackt. The word Bulgar/Bolgar... is older than the word "Türk". But we were always mixed: tribes with another brotherly tribes = same ethnic people/Race. Bul = Federative name and can apply to any Era. Türk is also Federative name, given by Chenese.
spa05akw 4 years ago
Actually if Im not mistaken word turk comes from word Turkut. But Im sure that chinese have NOTHING to do with this word.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago
I was refering to the Chinese "Tu-jue".
spa05akw 4 years ago
This is just chinese writing of the word Turkut.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago
Many nations have through times changed their language or have been influenced by it - still not of the same origin. You have to follow the red wire, not speculations. Bulgarians were in many places, and one of them could have been Persia -- just like Mongols were in Persia. Secondly, scholars claim that Turanic people and Türkic are related.
spa05akw 4 years ago
In this case the speculation could be any of these theories.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago
It is still debatable if Bulgars were Turkic or Iranic so you cant know if their ethnonym had any meaning and in which language. So dont try with something that even hasnt been proved yet.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago
You don't have proof against my theory. There are many proofs for the Türkic (not Turkic) theory that some scholars want to deny. You can not erase the fact that Bulgarian folklores and songs are very close to the Mongolian. Plus old chronicles. But there is also something that indicates of the Iranian theory - no really proofs, just language theories. Only language it self is not proof enough for this new theory.
spa05akw 4 years ago
And you dont have any proovs aganinst other theories. There isnt any difference between Turkic and the way you wrote it. In English language this kind of letters isnt in use.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago
Many nations have through times changed their language or have been influenced by it - still not of the same origin. You have to follow the red wire, not speculations. Bulgarians were in many places, and one of them could have been Persia -- just like Mongols were in Persia. Secondly, scholars claim that Turanic people and Türkic are related.
spa05akw 4 years ago
In this case the specualtion could be any of these theories.
KayakGBoat 4 years ago
abe prostak bolgar ne ozna4ava smesen (mixed) ti glupav li si!!!!!bolgar znachi mudur... po dobre ni6ty ne pishi i ot kude ti hrumna che sme turki? Balhara kude e be? kolko sporim che ne sme turki ti tuka pishesh gluposti!
naskoJudo 3 years ago
balhar = bolgar ( for bulgarian theorie )
or
bolgar(turkic mean mixed) = bolgar from hellenic historycal description and turkic word ! idioti !
ridvanco 3 years ago
a be ti bulgarian li si vuob6te????
naskoJudo 3 years ago
ne sym , tur4in sym.oba4e moite smeystwo do6li sa ot balkanite edno vremenno (babite i dedite mi ) ...
ridvanco 3 years ago
mi nema lo6o 4e se interesuva6 ot bulgarskata istoria daje e hubavo, no triabva da pro4ete6 nekoi knigi naprimer na profesor bojidar dimitrov ili gleday 'bulgarite' dokumentalnata poredica na btv 6tot za mn ne6ta ne si prav. istina e 4e voljkite bulgari sa bili musulmani tva site go znaem, no bulgariate ne sme bili tatari, numadi da, no ne tatari. bili sme vragove s tatarite, po blizki sme kato etni4eska grupa moje bi do skitite za6toto sme imali ob6ta kultura.
naskoJudo 3 years ago
Замечательный урок истории! Только забыли упомянуть, что современные волжские татары - это прямые предки волжских булгар, а не монгол.
VolgaTatar2007 4 years ago
Sort of true. There probably were about 50,000 Mongols who settled in Altyn Orda and who assimilated with the local people. Especially if a Tatar has a noble lineage, your y-chromosome should be traceable to Chinggisids. I guess it's popular to be "European" these days, so I understand your post, but your ancestors 500 years ago would have proudly declared their (at least partial) Mongol lineage.
HabibiLooks 4 years ago
HabibiLooks, please don't ascribe racist views to me, you don't even know me. Forget about chromosomes and look at the faces of Volga Tatars. You will see that Volga Tatars do not look oriental, unlike Mongols.
VolgaTatar2007 4 years ago