It is clear from the various responses that the answers given are personal opinion and not doctrine of the LDS church. No where do we teach that God sinned. We do teach that as man is God once was. Christians also believe that God came to earth as a man in Jesus Christ. So not sure what the hang up on that aspect is.
Looking to Christ I think it is clear that God did not sin as Christ stated I do nothing save that which I have seen my father do.
ALMIGHTY GOD never needed to go through what we go through to understand mortals. The Bible says.. "I the lord thy God I never change" and "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever". Mormon Doctrine is blasphemous. Example....Isaiah 43:10 "Before me there was no god formed neither shall there be after me"..and in another Isaiah verse.."I am the first, I am the last, apart from me there is no god". Isaiah chap. 43-45 burys the whole idea of other gods repeatedly.
@bammc19 It does not destroy Mormonism, because it is the same gospel. No timeline is provided for when the same gospel can continued to be preached. Mormonism is the same gospel, with Biblical and essential pieces of Christs church restored, such as Revelation. In Amos 3:7, we learn that God will do nothing without revealing it to his servants the prophets. I don't believe God is sitting around doing nothing these days.
GOD IS! He is all knowing! He is the perfect being, meaning He cannot sin! His Son, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, is the perfect image of who He is because Jesus did not sin. Almighty God is the beginning and end. there was no "he could have been a sinner once because he was like us" something about this just does not sit well in the core of my being
Other than the American Indians, Joseph Smith (Moroni) said there were other very elaborate civilizations on the North American continent. There is not one shred of historical or scientfic or archaeological evidence to indicate these OTHER civilizations ever existed. In every aspect, the Mormon belief depends on OTHER sources rather than scientific and biblical proven facts. Mormons need to consider the only source of truth about the Heavenly Father and get off this merry-go-round of heresy.
Excellent video and oh, so sad, extremely sad! How can people be so blind? They don't read their Bibles! (or their so-called scriptures)--To think God progessed/sinned--blasphemy!
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. Psalms 90:2. And thou art after the order of him who was without beginning of days or end of years, from all eternity to all eternity. Moses 6:67.
it seems to me that these mormons answer by knowledge made up by others then make up their own elabarations to explain more about their answers.No one on this video seems to "know" God or his word.
@twcigi It is NOT ignorant! Oh this makes me so mad. As I've said a million times, I'm a convert to the LDS church and I know there are many things said and written about Mormons that are taken out of context, distorted, and just plain false. I read all this stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the Church! I took the time to learn the truth. I wish others would as well.
@truthful2298 That is so not true!!! I'm a convert to the LDS church and it will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
@cindybin2001 Satan willed that he be like the Most High God (Isaiah 14:14) but God's word is clear about where that got him. Rather, we should be as children of God in humility (Luke 6:35) and point out the error of the LDS cult in love.
@pbar1000 Oh for heaven's sake. Of course we should be children of God in humility! But there are also scriptural references that we should try to be like him, meaning to better ourselves to be godlike, to develop those spiritual qualities, etc. It doesn't mean to "overthrow" Heavenly Father and rule the universe!!!! Sheesh!
@cindybin2001 Take it easy there sparky. Did I say Mormon's want to overthrow God the Father and rule the universe? No. But Mormon doctrine says that if you are a good Mormon you will be a god of your own planet and RULE it in the next life. That's one lie. It also says that there is another Gospel. Jesus said that's a lie. Smith said there were many ancient civilizations on the US continent. There was not one. There are 20 more lies I could list. Did you research before becoming a convert?
@pbar1000 yes I know all about this. Again, you're taking things out of context, etc. Please talk to missionaries or visit official LDS website or watch some videos on here by actual Mormons. That should help. And no, I did no research, I blindly joined. In fact, they recruited me. They KIDNAPPED me. HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!
@amaadios777 A lot is being done but few are touched by the spirit of truth, it is not only that mormons have been fooled but also have attracted spirits and their minds controlled by anti-christ spirit specially designed 4this last days. The Bible is clear not all are saveable, we should just keep sharing the truth even if we're told to be the liars & deceivers and the not christ-like bunch.
This is a powerful yet sad video. I pray for these LDS people who do not know the true God and Jesus of the Bible. May God lift the blindness off of their eyes and reveal to them the glory of God.
@micahwilder That's not a nice thing to say. I'm a convert to the LDS church and can't imagine being a member of any other church! We have the fulness of the gospel and it will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
@micahwilder You seem so sad at the idea that God could have possibly sinned, yet there is no place in the Bible that tells us God never sinned. Why are you so sad about something the Bible does not teach you?
@micahwilder Right and True...If this video bothers some people...GOOD... It should bother people that LDS claim God Almighty was not eternally perfect and the same yeterday as he is today. To think LDS are believing the same thing Satan did when he said "I will be like the most High" Is 14 Ez 28. Clear. No room for controversy...GOD punishes Angels and anyone who says in there heart they can be (Deity). Not one passage in all of Holy Writ talks favorably of aspiring to or claiming to be a god.
MORMONISM IS NOT A CHRISTIAN RELIGION! FOLKS, BE CAREFUL THAT YOU ARE NOT LEAD IN TO THE DECEPTION OF THIS PROVEN FALSE RELIGION!
I read this book and highly reccomend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION! Read the book CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS?
@elesha76 There are biblical references to this. Go to the official LDS website or ask missionaries, etc. I'm a convert to the LDS church and can't imagine being a member of any other church. It will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church.
12:29 "I would have to study more, and see what is written about that" Now there's an honest answer! More Mormons need to study out their beliefs instead of blindly following their feelings.
God is perfect. The Bible teaches God is the only perfect being. So, how can a man, born into sin, be God? Mormonism is completely contradictory to the Bible, therefore, it's not Christianity.
Aaron, you believe God has never sinned, (though even you would admit that the bible never states this), how then do you deal with the fact that your God has and will continue to burn billions of human beings for not believing in Christ, while it was he who put them in situations such as remote Jungles hundreds of years ago, where they would never even hear his name? Is it not a sin to torture those people unfairly just because he is God?
@JohnSimpson4321 If you think we believe God punishes people for merely not ever having heard the name of Christ, then you're wrong. God judges people according to the light they have.
God established the "Law". The only definition of "Sin" is "Breaking the Law of God" or "Going Against God" Ok...this is a no brainer. Follow me How can God go against Himself? How can God betray God? The whole concept of God sinning is tragic from any viewpoint. Mormons believe that they will be "As God is". Isn't that the concept that destroyed Adam & Eve's joy in the Garden? Isn't it virtually the same temptation that Satan used?
Don't mistake NOT KNOWING every bit of doctrine with Mormons not agreeing! Just because one person says YES and the other person says NO does not mean the religion is false. I have met several Mormon Bashers and they all have different, contradicting doctrine. So if Mormons are false because of that, then so are Mormon Bashers.
@jeremychristensen Mormons aren't being criticized here for "not knowing every bit of doctrine", they're being criticized for not knowing the most fundamental and basic and obvious of things that most matters --- the nature of God.
@aaronshaf2006 Do I look stupid? Of course they are being criticized for not knowing doctrine. This whole video is to show that Mormons are confused about what they believe. That may not be the whole point of the video, but it is implying that. P.S. I believe the most fundamental and obvious thing about the nature of God is that He has a body of Flesh and Bone like us (only glorified) and that His son is Jesus Christ. I don't believe he IS his Son. That to me is obvious!
@jeremychristensen Is it also obvious to you that God the Father never sinned? PS Recall that you didn't merely say "knowing doctrine" in your prior comment. Rather, you said, "knowing *every bit* of doctrine", implicitly trivializing the matter of whether God sinned as an obscure, peripheral doctrine. Take care.
@aaronshaf2006 uhhhhhhhhhhh HUH? What does "implicitly trivializing the matter of something as an obscure, peripheral doctrine"...have to do with anything? This video is trying to make people believe that LDS members are confused just because they don't know "every bit of doctrine". And as I said... what makes perfect sense is that God is our FATHER, which means he has a body of flesh and bone... and Christ is His son. They are not the same being. Do you believe they are the same being?
@jeremychristensen Help me understand your reasoning. Is if fair to say that you believe, "Aaron asked a bunch of Mormons whether they believe God perhaps sinned, therefore he attacked them for not having a comprehensive, thorough understanding of the entirety of their doctrine." Is that fair? Perhaps you misunderstand the project completely. Mormonism simply has no official, solid doctrine on whether God sinned.
Mormons have all been brainwashed to believe that THEY are equals to God in that God was less than he is and that there is an actual possibility that humans can elevate themselves to Godhood as long as they follow rules made and controlled by man.
I have believed since the very start that Mormons are nothing other than morons.
Remember, that satan will tell a thousand true sayings just to be able to slip in one lie. It may seem a small difference to you to believe God was a sinner but it is major. God never sinned. Remember that it is your responsibility to teach your children Gods truth...no excuses.
@Takenata Well, it's a collection of contradictory anceint stories about things that never happened. There's little if any morals, or anything of value, which is why I wouldn't say truth and the bibles go together.
@humanistheart Do you believe in objective morality at all? If so, in what do you ground your "moral realism"? If there is no God, as many classical atheists have admitted, then there are no objective moral values, duties, etc. In other words, without God, ethics is just illusory.
@aaronshaf2006 I would like to, however it's hard to provide any evidence for objective morality.
"If there is no God, as many classical atheists have admitted, then there are no objective moral values"
Quite the opposite, A god would not in any way constitute objective. By definition, if it's merely his opinions on what is right and wrong that would make all morality subjective to his or her opinions. I have a video on it that explains.
@humanistheart Perhaps you misunderstood the question. Why are you criticizing the Bible for being objectively immoral if you don't believe in objective immorality?
That is soooooo F-ing SAD to see soooooo many brain washed people following soooooo many contradictions in the bible and ALSO don't have an F-ing CLUE as to what they are teaching, preaching and BELIEVING! Did you Freaking watch and listen as the missionaries were chanting that long list of DUTIES, like they were a bunch of BRAINWASHED SOLDIERS! I did NOT feel any LOVE, compassion or PEACE in how they held themselves, their overall demeanor and what they were SAYING!!!
I got the same bull**** answers from the Missionaries that came to my home. When I asked them about this, they said that it is a "deep doctrine" matter no necessary for salvation. But to call the eternal nature of God IS blasphemy. It is not a restoration of any sort. It's more like 10,000 steps back, and then you are conflicted with multiple Gods and multiple saviors. Oh, and don't even get me started on that whole "Adam-God" teaching, that is just a waste of time. That is just as bad as this.
One God and no others, one saviour and no other. Any thing else comes from the mouth of the deciever and any Mormon justification follow in that path. Seek Christ and only Christ for is the only way. Man cannot buy his way into heaven through work of false gods or a the promise and doctrines a self anoited prophet. But through Gods infinite wisdom we have free will and thereby can be lead down a false path. There are no prophets after Christ for he was prophesy fullfilled. Wise up LDS
Wow these people are so deceived. God help them....Genesis 3:5 the serpent told eve to eat from the fruit from the tree and if she did she will be as gods.
What a deceiver and liar Satan is. He has fooled the Mormons. Lord help them. God I'd Holy and perfect. Always was always will be.
This video almost brought a tear to my eye, it is so sad the number of lost people who are being fooled. These people are notchs in the enemies (satan) belt and we are the only weapon that he can use against the only eternal God.
This is why I try to help Mormons and what God has called me to do in my life.
Kind of a silly video. The only reason this 'god' can be said not to have sinned is because sin has absolutely nothing to do with morality. Sin is only whatever goes against said gods opinion at the moment, which it constantly changes. And since that god thinks so highly of itself it never regrets anything, thus never sins.
@Kannon12 Jesus NEVER sinned. Jesus is also God. God is perfectly Holy, and so to be holy is to hate sin, Jesus hated sin. God wants us to love what He loves, and hate what He hates. If we dont hate sin, we stay in it and stay far off from God. Hebrews 7:26
@MrJRod116 Jesus called the Syrophenician woman a dog based on her nationality (Mk 7:27), that's racist. He got really violent in the temple, even using a whip. (John 2:15) Isn't racism and violence a sin? Or do you justify racism and violence in your religion?
@Kannon12 Jesus did not use the normal word for “dogs.” Instead He softened it into little dogs - essentially, reminding the woman of her place as a Gentile, yet not wanting to push her completely away. “In Greek, diminutives are characteristically affectionate. Jesus took the sting out of the word.”
@Kannon12 God is just, and when He executes His justice, its not the same as human justice. Instead of worshipping the Father in the temple, they made it to where the sellers had the advantage for their own gain. Jesus executed the Fathers judgement on them by driving them out.
@Kannon12 "My thoughts are not your thoughts, my ways are not your ways" - Isaiah 55. What may seem just to us might not always be just in Gods eyes. And i dont agree with sarah palin. She has no right in doing anything of that sort.
@Kannon12 First you are out of context and Jesus never called anyone a dog according to their race. Jesus loves all people no matter who or what they did or do. Mark 7:27 does not call the Greek woman a dog, in fact He heals her daughter. Then John 2:15, actually John 2 is important, it is where Jesus turned water into wine and made the important statement "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up" but was not violent.
Seek the truth my friend, look around you. Seek God!
@Exodus314IAM I am not out of context. The context of Mark was exactly the issue of nationality. She was not of Jewish origin, that's why Jesus called her a "dog", whereas he refers to the Jews as "children".
@Kannon12 Well it is obvious you have not read the whole chapter to get the correct context. Please do so and we can have a level conversation. When people cherry pick verses and take them out of context or just not read them correctly you cannot understand. This is the same of any writing, you cannot just read a sentence and say see I understand.
@Exodus314IAM It rather seems you are taking GOD out of context and instead trying to push your personal opinion into the bible. Have you also read the parallel story in Mt 15? It is clear that he did not speak to the woman because she was not from the House of Israel (15:24). Also confer Mt 7:6 to see that "dog" was indeed a derogatory term. Context in the bible always also includes parallel texts in the other gospels.
@Kannon12 I could explain this more but then I would have to get into the original Greek that the Bible was written in. You see Jesus when he says "Dogs" here is not a slader but is the greek word that means like pet and He is refuring to the Gentiles in general not the Jews, and the Bread is Himself the Bread of life. Then Jesus says she has great faith and heals her son.
You see Jesus is showing that the bread is not only for the Jews but also the Gentiles.
I'm amazed by the number of people that say, "I don't really need to know that." Mormon or not, we should want to know all we can about God and search for him daily. That statement just blows my mind.
Mormons have to believe that God sinned because it is the only way for them to justify the imperfectness of the ONLY true church and i say that with love. How can you follow and love a God that you percieve to be a liar and sinner? Just saying.
Sin only means something 'god' does like, and he's clearly self obsessed so he's without sin. Meaning he's never done something he doesn't like or regrets.
What you don't seem to understand, aaronshaf, is that all your persecution only serves to strengthen the church and the resolve of it's members to follow the true gospel of Christ. Jesus teaches us in His word that as the world hated Him, so will the world hate and persecute us. I will never deny Christ or His gospel; even unto death. LDS have a testimony given by the Holy Spirit; the same testimony you will have if you pray in humility, with a sincere heart. Go to mormondotorg for the truth.
@TheOriginalAnalogKid I love you, man. This isn't a game to me, and I only want the best for you, which is a relationship with the true God---the God who never sinned, the God who sent His only begotten Son to die for your sins, the God who is ready and willing and desirous to immediately forgive your sins and give you qualitative eternal life (forever), if you would just turn in your heart to Him and trust Him for it as a free gift. Grace and peace.
Jesus a manifesting of God in the flesh. Jesus never sinned, he's sinless. If Jesus is the image of God than God is sinless and have never sin. And sin is the transgression/trespasses against God. God can't transgress/trespass against himself.
God always was and always will be just like energy and element which will never appear from nothing. Yes, God was always perfect and always will be. God the spirit / energy in all life and in all things. He experiences through all life forms. God having a God makes no sense whatsoever because God could never create Himself because He always was! Jesus was the embodiment of God for this world but every world has is own. We repeat patterns, but God is separate from ALL yet IS ALL at the same time
If Mormons believe that God did sin, then who died for Him? Since they also believe that Jesus' atonement is necessary for salvation, then must not God have had a god shed his own blood for him to become a god?
@godswordsheal Mormons have suggested to me he would have had his own savior, such as the Mormon at the very end of the video (credits audio). Also, Brigham Young taught: "Sin is upon every earth that ever was created ... Consequently every earth has its redeemer, and every earth has its tempter; and the people thereof, in their turn and time, receive all that we receive, and pass through all the ordeals that we are passing through" (Journal of Discourses 14:71-72).
@aaronshaf2006 Thanks. I pray God gives Mormons eyes to see, and ears to hear, because every step they take into becoming their own god, the further they are from the true God.
@ John 4:24 - God is a Spirit and so are we. Currently, our spirits are clothed in a body of "Flesh" and after the resurrection of the Dead, our spirits will be once again clothed with a physical, tangible body. The same kind of Body that Jesus now has because he returned to his disciples with this body. These things are SO elementary, SO basic, and SO simple, it stuns me how easy it is to confuse them. We are either children of God or children of men or descendants of Apes! Two choices.
That God is spirit is not meant as a definition of God's being—though this is how the Stoics [a branch of Greek philosophy] would have understood it. It is a metaphor of his mode of operation, as life-giving power, and it is no more to be taken literally than 1 John 1:5, "God is light," or Deuteronomy 4:24, "Your God is a devouring fire." It is only those who have received this power through Christ who can offer God a real worship
Romans 5:19 "For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous"
~Sin did not exist before Adam.
~The Law did not exist until God gave it to mankind.
1 John 3:4
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law".
What "Church" you belong to has nothing to do with Salvation.
How you view the Trinity has nothing to do with Salvation.
What is in your Heart has everything to do with Salvation.
~Jesus's Words~
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, HATH everlasting life, and SHALL NOT come into condemnation; but IS passed from death unto life."--John 5:24.
Do you see that the statement is in the Present tense?
NatGeo is one of the most respected scientific organizations in the world. They have the real archaeologists (including a Mormon), with the real research
Archaeology does NOT support --
1)The Exodus
2) the walls of Jericho at the time of Joshua
3) that Jonah got the people of Assyrian of Nineveh capital to repent
4) Solomon's "glorious" "empire"
5) Book of Genesis
Matthew 2, the Execution of babies in New Testament, is not mentioned by any historian
@TheChristiankat Really? By all means explain to me how slaughtering children is perfect? What part of slitting children' throats and letting them die slowly as they gasp for air while their throats swell with blood and puss do you find perfect?
Mormons believe Jesus was the only sinless man to ever live on this earth.
Jesus said "I do nothing of myself, but that which I have seen my Father do."
Jesus lived a perfect sinless life, just as he said he saw God the Father do.
Was God ever a sinner? No, He was a perfect man exactly as His beloved son was.
Mormons believe that they are the children of God, and if children, then heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ, if it so be that they suffer with Christ.
First off God is from Eternity to Eternity..no beginning, no end.
Ps. 90:2
"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God"
2 Tim 1:9
"saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity"
@hammerogod I'm so with you!! How in the world would someone say God was a man? a sinful man? oh wait Joseph Smith did! Truth aboutMormon gods from Mormon scripture: Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 349 (council of Gods) Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345 (God once a man like us) B.Y. Journal of Discourses, 7:238 (Gods exist) The Gospel through the Ages, 105-106 (God was man and man may be God)
Making mistakes is an ESSENTIAL part of the learning progress, according to the guy in the blue shirt and is even comforting... do I need to become an alcoholic to learn that the bible is true and we should avoid alcohol. Jesus did not sin... I guess that he did not learn much in the learning progress. The Mormons definitely missed the mark on this one.
That's like asking if a stick was ever able to be a carrot. Sin is by definition falling out of alignment with God's ways; straying from them. If that which does not align with His good pleasure is sin then it is 'by all logic and reason' an impossible act for God to sin.
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another"
@BaurakAle7 Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ he paid the price for are sins and when we take upon our selves the name of Christ when we get baptized we become as sons and daughters of Jesus Christ... So through the law of adoption Jesus is our Father... But only in the sense of the word... God the Father is the literal Father of our spirits and our body because he gave us life... And through the sacrifice of the Son we can have eternal life... God the Father is not God in the Fullest sense
@xenex23 Without the Son and also the Son with out the Father... You really need to look at it more as titles... Jesus is the Father because he does the Fathers will, so he can speak for the Father. There are two different persons and yet in the fact the are of the same mind, they are one.
I agree with my fellow Latter-day Saints, the idea that God went through a human experience makes him feel closer to me. It gives me the understanding that he understands me. The potential that God sinned in previous experiences doesn't lessen my worship or compromise my trust. Every denomination has different interpretations of Jesus and other doctrine, why single out Mormonism?
@JohnRhysMusician Deutoronomy 4: 35Unto thee it wa showed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him 39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. This answers your question? how can God have been a man, when he says it clear, he is GOD. And there's none besides him. If you trust in a god that had sinned, than you are just as dead as the god u trust in.
"Every denomination has different interpretations of Jesus"
No, they don't.
Baptist, Methodist, Episcopal, Lutheran, etc, ad infinitum ALL agree on this identity of Jesus.
No differences.
Romans 10:9-10
"If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved"
God does not sin because it goes against His nature - God is perfect and sinless. Everyone can have an opinion but whose to say it is correct? In order to have the correct answer and understand this we must first decide to study the Holy Bible. Some questions we must ask is ... is the bible trust worthy? is the bible accurate? and so on. Once we reach our own decision we can choose to accept or deny the Holy Bible.
Here are some verses you can google Hab 1:13, Ro 3:23, Ps 143:2
@aaronshaf2006 That logic is flawed. For the same reason you believe God existed forever, the universe could as well. God didn't create the universe. The universe and everything in it always was. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. The universe is just as self-existent as God.
@BaurakAle7 Personal sinning doesn't encourage progression. Having opposition and overcoming it is what causes growth/progression. In other words, being tempted to do something against God's will and choosing not to, or feeling the pains of mortality and enduring them. Jesus Christ progressed perfectly, He never had to sin to do it. Sin is a stop to progression. The less you sin, the better your progression. God didn't have to sin to become as He is. Chances are He didn't. <3
@BaurakAle7 you're welcome? i like how you only partially quoted me and or tried to hide the rest of what i said. thats very typical of you antis. classic! LOL
@BaurakAle7 Right thats a weak argument when Jesus clearly states in John 5:19. With there being no official statement from the church its my opinion that Heavenly Father was like a Jesus Christ during His mortal probation. It's not a presumption that He did everything that the Father did. It's in the Bible. I argue that Heavenly Father progressed to godhood like the Savior did because of the my belief in the King Follet discourse. Whats were you trying to get at about the GP ch 47?
@aaronshaf2006 No one has said it came from nothing. It seems that way, because the universe came from a singularity, and has expanded. M theory suggests that we are one of an infinite number of dimensions, that from time to time collide with each other, which would explain the big bang. It really is fascinating and if you want to know more, Stephen Hawking's new book 'The Grand Design' helps simplify it.
@aaronshaf2006 Also your comment suggests logical and reasonable people "assume" the universe just came out of nothing. No one is assuming anything. To assume something would be against all reason and logic, We look to evidence, and what we can prove.
So we start from a neutral position and we determine a theory from the evidence.
We don't base our lives on the 200 year old delusions of a 14 year old boy.
@aaronshaf2006 Are you a christian? Then that is what you believe, that the universe popped into being out of nothing. Not uncaused, but still out of nothing.
It's sad that most believe this way. Didn't Jesus say that He could only do what the Father did? If Jesus was sinless wouldn't that make Heavenly Father sinless? It's funny that he got opinions in the heart of "mormonism". Why not ask outside of an area that doesn't have the holier than thou attitude?
Does anyone find it ironic that the reason Lucifer (Satan) was cast into hell because of his desire to obtain God head and to rule the world? What does it make you if you believe that you can become or work your way to be God or obtain the same status as God? God is perfect, and without sin. It only seems logical as to why he turned his eyes from Christ when he bore the weight of sin...
All of us experience temptations. So did the Savior, but He "gave no heed unto them". Similarly, we don not have to yield simply because a temptation surfaces. We may want to, but we don't have to". ~ D Todd Christofferson
I hope that enlightened you a little bit. You don't need to burst for our souls...all of us believe in the same Savior and our goals are all the same...to be an example to everyone and be a good "child of God".
The guy at 6:10 amazes me. God being sinful is utterly alien to every other form of Christianity, including protestantism. .
But you have to admit, if you DO believe that all Gods are the results of overcome trials in a mortal life, and if you believe you can make yourself perfect before death, it makes perfect sense to admire Heavenly Father for being a sinner who was exalted to Godhood. It wouldn't be a cause for doubt.
There should, however, be laden doubt in those first two assumptions.
The question I have, is if "God" sinned before he became "God", then what moral law existed that enabled it to be sin? By definition, if it's a "sin", then there was a moral law broken, so there would have to have been a moral lawgiver, and that would have to be God. But God wasn't God yet, so how could he be a sinner? In fact, how could there be ANY right and wrong? And if no right and wrong, how can you "progress"? The whole theology breaks down.
It is clear from the various responses that the answers given are personal opinion and not doctrine of the LDS church. No where do we teach that God sinned. We do teach that as man is God once was. Christians also believe that God came to earth as a man in Jesus Christ. So not sure what the hang up on that aspect is.
Looking to Christ I think it is clear that God did not sin as Christ stated I do nothing save that which I have seen my father do.
peaceliberty4all 1 week ago
ALMIGHTY GOD never needed to go through what we go through to understand mortals. The Bible says.. "I the lord thy God I never change" and "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever". Mormon Doctrine is blasphemous. Example....Isaiah 43:10 "Before me there was no god formed neither shall there be after me"..and in another Isaiah verse.."I am the first, I am the last, apart from me there is no god". Isaiah chap. 43-45 burys the whole idea of other gods repeatedly.
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 1 week ago
My people perish for lack of knowledge!
desertdoggz 2 weeks ago
amen to my brother at 40 seconds. Standing up for the truth. Galations 1 literally destroys all of Mormonism
bammc19 2 weeks ago
@bammc19 It does not destroy Mormonism, because it is the same gospel. No timeline is provided for when the same gospel can continued to be preached. Mormonism is the same gospel, with Biblical and essential pieces of Christs church restored, such as Revelation. In Amos 3:7, we learn that God will do nothing without revealing it to his servants the prophets. I don't believe God is sitting around doing nothing these days.
JohnSimpson4321 2 weeks ago in playlist Mormons, Watch These First
GOD IS! He is all knowing! He is the perfect being, meaning He cannot sin! His Son, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, is the perfect image of who He is because Jesus did not sin. Almighty God is the beginning and end. there was no "he could have been a sinner once because he was like us" something about this just does not sit well in the core of my being
cococahoo 3 weeks ago
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SeanG200 3 weeks ago
Other than the American Indians, Joseph Smith (Moroni) said there were other very elaborate civilizations on the North American continent. There is not one shred of historical or scientfic or archaeological evidence to indicate these OTHER civilizations ever existed. In every aspect, the Mormon belief depends on OTHER sources rather than scientific and biblical proven facts. Mormons need to consider the only source of truth about the Heavenly Father and get off this merry-go-round of heresy.
pbar1000 1 month ago
Excellent video and oh, so sad, extremely sad! How can people be so blind? They don't read their Bibles! (or their so-called scriptures)--To think God progessed/sinned--blasphemy!
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. Psalms 90:2. And thou art after the order of him who was without beginning of days or end of years, from all eternity to all eternity. Moses 6:67.
alanplum7 1 month ago
@alanplum7 What is wrong with you?? I'm a convert to the LDS church and I can't imagine being a member of any other church!
cindybin2001 1 month ago
This must be the ultimate heresy, it is terrible that so many have been deceived into it.
Estaban333 1 month ago
it seems to me that these mormons answer by knowledge made up by others then make up their own elabarations to explain more about their answers.No one on this video seems to "know" God or his word.
andrearae00 1 month ago in playlist Mormon
Unbelievable audacity or woefully ignorant.
twcigi 1 month ago
@twcigi Amen Sis Amen!!!
donny71954 1 month ago
@twcigi It is NOT ignorant! Oh this makes me so mad. As I've said a million times, I'm a convert to the LDS church and I know there are many things said and written about Mormons that are taken out of context, distorted, and just plain false. I read all this stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the Church! I took the time to learn the truth. I wish others would as well.
cindybin2001 1 month ago
It is a simple question, the bible says that Jesus was without sin, period.
truthful2298 1 month ago in playlist Mormon
The mormons worship a god that doesn't even exist. They are following a lie. And we must tell them the truth.
truthful2298 1 month ago in playlist Mormon
@truthful2298 That is so not true!!! I'm a convert to the LDS church and it will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 Satan willed that he be like the Most High God (Isaiah 14:14) but God's word is clear about where that got him. Rather, we should be as children of God in humility (Luke 6:35) and point out the error of the LDS cult in love.
pbar1000 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos 2
@pbar1000 Oh for heaven's sake. Of course we should be children of God in humility! But there are also scriptural references that we should try to be like him, meaning to better ourselves to be godlike, to develop those spiritual qualities, etc. It doesn't mean to "overthrow" Heavenly Father and rule the universe!!!! Sheesh!
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 Take it easy there sparky. Did I say Mormon's want to overthrow God the Father and rule the universe? No. But Mormon doctrine says that if you are a good Mormon you will be a god of your own planet and RULE it in the next life. That's one lie. It also says that there is another Gospel. Jesus said that's a lie. Smith said there were many ancient civilizations on the US continent. There was not one. There are 20 more lies I could list. Did you research before becoming a convert?
pbar1000 1 month ago 7
@pbar1000 yes I know all about this. Again, you're taking things out of context, etc. Please talk to missionaries or visit official LDS website or watch some videos on here by actual Mormons. That should help. And no, I did no research, I blindly joined. In fact, they recruited me. They KIDNAPPED me. HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@pbar1000 "we should be as children of God in humility (Luke 6:35) and point out the error of the LDS cult in love." :)!
TheSoulamore 3 weeks ago
This is so sad ! we have to do samething to help ..
amaadios777 1 month ago in playlist Mormon
@amaadios777 A lot is being done but few are touched by the spirit of truth, it is not only that mormons have been fooled but also have attracted spirits and their minds controlled by anti-christ spirit specially designed 4this last days. The Bible is clear not all are saveable, we should just keep sharing the truth even if we're told to be the liars & deceivers and the not christ-like bunch.
7wiiskate 4 weeks ago
Mormons borrowed progression from Protestants? Not. The guy who said that needs to do some research.
ladylyrarose18 1 month ago
This is a powerful yet sad video. I pray for these LDS people who do not know the true God and Jesus of the Bible. May God lift the blindness off of their eyes and reveal to them the glory of God.
micahwilder 1 month ago 12
@micahwilder That's not a nice thing to say. I'm a convert to the LDS church and can't imagine being a member of any other church! We have the fulness of the gospel and it will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@micahwilder You seem so sad at the idea that God could have possibly sinned, yet there is no place in the Bible that tells us God never sinned. Why are you so sad about something the Bible does not teach you?
JohnSimpson4321 2 weeks ago in playlist Mormons, Watch These First
@micahwilder Right and True...If this video bothers some people...GOOD... It should bother people that LDS claim God Almighty was not eternally perfect and the same yeterday as he is today. To think LDS are believing the same thing Satan did when he said "I will be like the most High" Is 14 Ez 28. Clear. No room for controversy...GOD punishes Angels and anyone who says in there heart they can be (Deity). Not one passage in all of Holy Writ talks favorably of aspiring to or claiming to be a god.
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 1 week ago
Isaiah 43:10 come on Mormons!
blakodeel 2 months ago
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certainlytruthful 2 months ago
and how do these people think they can become Gods. Are they for real.
elesha76 2 months ago 3
@elesha76 There are biblical references to this. Go to the official LDS website or ask missionaries, etc. I'm a convert to the LDS church and can't imagine being a member of any other church. It will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church.
cindybin2001 1 month ago
Ok what are you talking about, what is progression
elesha76 2 months ago
12:29 "I would have to study more, and see what is written about that" Now there's an honest answer! More Mormons need to study out their beliefs instead of blindly following their feelings.
stewinsalot 2 months ago
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God is perfect. The Bible teaches God is the only perfect being. So, how can a man, born into sin, be God? Mormonism is completely contradictory to the Bible, therefore, it's not Christianity.
TheSoulamore 2 months ago
Crazy town!
elliottibanga 2 months ago
Help me understand where these interviews are shot? Is it LDS seminary campus?
wwjd622 3 months ago
@wwjd622 These videos were shot around the North Gate of Temple Square, most of them being shot during the LDS General Conference.
aaronshaf2006 3 months ago 2
@aaronshaf2006 Thanks for the reply
wwjd622 2 months ago
Aaron, you believe God has never sinned, (though even you would admit that the bible never states this), how then do you deal with the fact that your God has and will continue to burn billions of human beings for not believing in Christ, while it was he who put them in situations such as remote Jungles hundreds of years ago, where they would never even hear his name? Is it not a sin to torture those people unfairly just because he is God?
JohnSimpson4321 2 weeks ago in playlist Mormons, Watch These First
@JohnSimpson4321 If you think we believe God punishes people for merely not ever having heard the name of Christ, then you're wrong. God judges people according to the light they have.
aaronshaf2006 2 weeks ago
@aaronshaf2006 are you only willing to ask questions and not answer them?
JohnSimpson4321 2 weeks ago in playlist Mormons, Watch These First
hammerogod 3 months ago
Don't mistake NOT KNOWING every bit of doctrine with Mormons not agreeing! Just because one person says YES and the other person says NO does not mean the religion is false. I have met several Mormon Bashers and they all have different, contradicting doctrine. So if Mormons are false because of that, then so are Mormon Bashers.
jeremychristensen 3 months ago
@jeremychristensen Mormons aren't being criticized here for "not knowing every bit of doctrine", they're being criticized for not knowing the most fundamental and basic and obvious of things that most matters --- the nature of God.
aaronshaf2006 3 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 Do I look stupid? Of course they are being criticized for not knowing doctrine. This whole video is to show that Mormons are confused about what they believe. That may not be the whole point of the video, but it is implying that. P.S. I believe the most fundamental and obvious thing about the nature of God is that He has a body of Flesh and Bone like us (only glorified) and that His son is Jesus Christ. I don't believe he IS his Son. That to me is obvious!
jeremychristensen 3 months ago
@jeremychristensen Is it also obvious to you that God the Father never sinned? PS Recall that you didn't merely say "knowing doctrine" in your prior comment. Rather, you said, "knowing *every bit* of doctrine", implicitly trivializing the matter of whether God sinned as an obscure, peripheral doctrine. Take care.
aaronshaf2006 3 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 uhhhhhhhhhhh HUH? What does "implicitly trivializing the matter of something as an obscure, peripheral doctrine"...have to do with anything? This video is trying to make people believe that LDS members are confused just because they don't know "every bit of doctrine". And as I said... what makes perfect sense is that God is our FATHER, which means he has a body of flesh and bone... and Christ is His son. They are not the same being. Do you believe they are the same being?
jeremychristensen 3 months ago
@jeremychristensen Help me understand your reasoning. Is if fair to say that you believe, "Aaron asked a bunch of Mormons whether they believe God perhaps sinned, therefore he attacked them for not having a comprehensive, thorough understanding of the entirety of their doctrine." Is that fair? Perhaps you misunderstand the project completely. Mormonism simply has no official, solid doctrine on whether God sinned.
aaronshaf2006 3 months ago
Mormons have all been brainwashed to believe that THEY are equals to God in that God was less than he is and that there is an actual possibility that humans can elevate themselves to Godhood as long as they follow rules made and controlled by man.
I have believed since the very start that Mormons are nothing other than morons.
ScottSummers1141 3 months ago
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Remember, that satan will tell a thousand true sayings just to be able to slip in one lie. It may seem a small difference to you to believe God was a sinner but it is major. God never sinned. Remember that it is your responsibility to teach your children Gods truth...no excuses.
TheSoulamore 4 months ago
Just found this interesting video about how the truths of the bible are kept alive by modern muslims, while being forgotten by todays Christians.
Youtube: 6LFdEmNopbU
Kannon12 4 months ago
@Kannon12 Truth and 'the bible' doesn't really go in the same sentence.
humanistheart 4 months ago
@humanistheart What are your thoughts on that stance? What makes you say that they don't coincide with eachother?
Takenata 4 months ago
@Takenata Well, it's a collection of contradictory anceint stories about things that never happened. There's little if any morals, or anything of value, which is why I wouldn't say truth and the bibles go together.
humanistheart 4 months ago
@humanistheart Do you believe in objective morality at all? If so, in what do you ground your "moral realism"? If there is no God, as many classical atheists have admitted, then there are no objective moral values, duties, etc. In other words, without God, ethics is just illusory.
aaronshaf2006 4 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 I would like to, however it's hard to provide any evidence for objective morality.
"If there is no God, as many classical atheists have admitted, then there are no objective moral values"
Quite the opposite, A god would not in any way constitute objective. By definition, if it's merely his opinions on what is right and wrong that would make all morality subjective to his or her opinions. I have a video on it that explains.
humanistheart 4 months ago
@humanistheart So why are you criticizing the Bible for violating objective morality if you don't believe in objective morality?
aaronshaf2006 3 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 No, I'm criticizing it for having NO morality. The abrahamic god is a monster.
humanistheart 3 months ago
@humanistheart Perhaps you misunderstood the question. Why are you criticizing the Bible for being objectively immoral if you don't believe in objective immorality?
aaronshaf2006 3 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 YOU asked why truth and the bible don't go together, I answered you.
humanistheart 3 months ago
@humanistheart Shall I interpret your response as a refusal to answer my previous question?
aaronshaf2006 3 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 It did answer your question, but if you're that stupid, go for it.
humanistheart 3 months ago
@humanistheart I'll try again: Why are you criticizing the Bible for being objectively immoral if you don't believe in objective immorality?
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TheSoulamore 4 months ago
That is soooooo F-ing SAD to see soooooo many brain washed people following soooooo many contradictions in the bible and ALSO don't have an F-ing CLUE as to what they are teaching, preaching and BELIEVING! Did you Freaking watch and listen as the missionaries were chanting that long list of DUTIES, like they were a bunch of BRAINWASHED SOLDIERS! I did NOT feel any LOVE, compassion or PEACE in how they held themselves, their overall demeanor and what they were SAYING!!!
3Deditor 4 months ago
I got the same bull**** answers from the Missionaries that came to my home. When I asked them about this, they said that it is a "deep doctrine" matter no necessary for salvation. But to call the eternal nature of God IS blasphemy. It is not a restoration of any sort. It's more like 10,000 steps back, and then you are conflicted with multiple Gods and multiple saviors. Oh, and don't even get me started on that whole "Adam-God" teaching, that is just a waste of time. That is just as bad as this.
hannibalchengthe2nd 4 months ago
One God and no others, one saviour and no other. Any thing else comes from the mouth of the deciever and any Mormon justification follow in that path. Seek Christ and only Christ for is the only way. Man cannot buy his way into heaven through work of false gods or a the promise and doctrines a self anoited prophet. But through Gods infinite wisdom we have free will and thereby can be lead down a false path. There are no prophets after Christ for he was prophesy fullfilled. Wise up LDS
wdalton2005 4 months ago
Wow these people are so deceived. God help them....Genesis 3:5 the serpent told eve to eat from the fruit from the tree and if she did she will be as gods.
What a deceiver and liar Satan is. He has fooled the Mormons. Lord help them. God I'd Holy and perfect. Always was always will be.
godislove633 4 months ago
This video almost brought a tear to my eye, it is so sad the number of lost people who are being fooled. These people are notchs in the enemies (satan) belt and we are the only weapon that he can use against the only eternal God.
This is why I try to help Mormons and what God has called me to do in my life.
God Bless!
Exodus314IAM 4 months ago
Kind of a silly video. The only reason this 'god' can be said not to have sinned is because sin has absolutely nothing to do with morality. Sin is only whatever goes against said gods opinion at the moment, which it constantly changes. And since that god thinks so highly of itself it never regrets anything, thus never sins.
humanistheart 4 months ago
But Christ sinned. He made racist statements, and he got violent in the Jerusalem temple. Isn't racism a sin? Isn't violence a sin'?
Kannon12 4 months ago
@Kannon12 Jesus NEVER sinned. Jesus is also God. God is perfectly Holy, and so to be holy is to hate sin, Jesus hated sin. God wants us to love what He loves, and hate what He hates. If we dont hate sin, we stay in it and stay far off from God. Hebrews 7:26
MrJRod116 4 months ago
@MrJRod116 Jesus called the Syrophenician woman a dog based on her nationality (Mk 7:27), that's racist. He got really violent in the temple, even using a whip. (John 2:15) Isn't racism and violence a sin? Or do you justify racism and violence in your religion?
Kannon12 4 months ago
@Kannon12 Jesus did not use the normal word for “dogs.” Instead He softened it into little dogs - essentially, reminding the woman of her place as a Gentile, yet not wanting to push her completely away. “In Greek, diminutives are characteristically affectionate. Jesus took the sting out of the word.”
MrJRod116 4 months ago
@Kannon12 God is just, and when He executes His justice, its not the same as human justice. Instead of worshipping the Father in the temple, they made it to where the sellers had the advantage for their own gain. Jesus executed the Fathers judgement on them by driving them out.
MrJRod116 4 months ago
@MrJRod116 So violence in the name of God is justifiable? Reminds me of Sarah Palin's plan to invade Iran in the name of God.
Kannon12 4 months ago
@Kannon12 "My thoughts are not your thoughts, my ways are not your ways" - Isaiah 55. What may seem just to us might not always be just in Gods eyes. And i dont agree with sarah palin. She has no right in doing anything of that sort.
MrJRod116 4 months ago
@Kannon12 First you are out of context and Jesus never called anyone a dog according to their race. Jesus loves all people no matter who or what they did or do. Mark 7:27 does not call the Greek woman a dog, in fact He heals her daughter. Then John 2:15, actually John 2 is important, it is where Jesus turned water into wine and made the important statement "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up" but was not violent.
Seek the truth my friend, look around you. Seek God!
Exodus314IAM 4 months ago
@Exodus314IAM I am not out of context. The context of Mark was exactly the issue of nationality. She was not of Jewish origin, that's why Jesus called her a "dog", whereas he refers to the Jews as "children".
Kannon12 4 months ago
@Kannon12 Well it is obvious you have not read the whole chapter to get the correct context. Please do so and we can have a level conversation. When people cherry pick verses and take them out of context or just not read them correctly you cannot understand. This is the same of any writing, you cannot just read a sentence and say see I understand.
Exodus314IAM 4 months ago
@Exodus314IAM It rather seems you are taking GOD out of context and instead trying to push your personal opinion into the bible. Have you also read the parallel story in Mt 15? It is clear that he did not speak to the woman because she was not from the House of Israel (15:24). Also confer Mt 7:6 to see that "dog" was indeed a derogatory term. Context in the bible always also includes parallel texts in the other gospels.
Kannon12 4 months ago
@Kannon12 I could explain this more but then I would have to get into the original Greek that the Bible was written in. You see Jesus when he says "Dogs" here is not a slader but is the greek word that means like pet and He is refuring to the Gentiles in general not the Jews, and the Bread is Himself the Bread of life. Then Jesus says she has great faith and heals her son.
You see Jesus is showing that the bread is not only for the Jews but also the Gentiles.
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TheSoulamore 4 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Are you arguing against the Bible?
TheSoulamore 4 months ago
I'm amazed by the number of people that say, "I don't really need to know that." Mormon or not, we should want to know all we can about God and search for him daily. That statement just blows my mind.
ahazelwo44 4 months ago
Jesus was tempted but he never sinned!
TheSoulamore 5 months ago
Mormons have to believe that God sinned because it is the only way for them to justify the imperfectness of the ONLY true church and i say that with love. How can you follow and love a God that you percieve to be a liar and sinner? Just saying.
TheSoulamore 5 months ago
Sin only means something 'god' does like, and he's clearly self obsessed so he's without sin. Meaning he's never done something he doesn't like or regrets.
humanistheart 5 months ago
What you don't seem to understand, aaronshaf, is that all your persecution only serves to strengthen the church and the resolve of it's members to follow the true gospel of Christ. Jesus teaches us in His word that as the world hated Him, so will the world hate and persecute us. I will never deny Christ or His gospel; even unto death. LDS have a testimony given by the Holy Spirit; the same testimony you will have if you pray in humility, with a sincere heart. Go to mormondotorg for the truth.
TheOriginalAnalogKid 5 months ago
@TheOriginalAnalogKid I love you, man. This isn't a game to me, and I only want the best for you, which is a relationship with the true God---the God who never sinned, the God who sent His only begotten Son to die for your sins, the God who is ready and willing and desirous to immediately forgive your sins and give you qualitative eternal life (forever), if you would just turn in your heart to Him and trust Him for it as a free gift. Grace and peace.
aaronshaf2006 5 months ago
@TheOriginalAnalogKid
" Jesus teaches us in His word that as the world hated Him"
My problem has never been with Jesus.
My problem is with the teachings of Joseph Smith that clearly contradict and alter Biblical teachings.
Hating Jesus is a far different issue than questioning the veracity of Joseph Smith.
The Mormons are not 'Hated' because of Jesus...they are 'Hated' because of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and the LDS historical record.
Doubting Mormonism does not weaken my faith in Christ.
hammerogod 4 months ago
Jesus a manifesting of God in the flesh. Jesus never sinned, he's sinless. If Jesus is the image of God than God is sinless and have never sin. And sin is the transgression/trespasses against God. God can't transgress/trespass against himself.
KayCee479 5 months ago
God always was and always will be just like energy and element which will never appear from nothing. Yes, God was always perfect and always will be. God the spirit / energy in all life and in all things. He experiences through all life forms. God having a God makes no sense whatsoever because God could never create Himself because He always was! Jesus was the embodiment of God for this world but every world has is own. We repeat patterns, but God is separate from ALL yet IS ALL at the same time
compassion4truth 5 months ago
If Mormons believe that God did sin, then who died for Him? Since they also believe that Jesus' atonement is necessary for salvation, then must not God have had a god shed his own blood for him to become a god?
godswordsheal 5 months ago
@godswordsheal Mormons have suggested to me he would have had his own savior, such as the Mormon at the very end of the video (credits audio). Also, Brigham Young taught: "Sin is upon every earth that ever was created ... Consequently every earth has its redeemer, and every earth has its tempter; and the people thereof, in their turn and time, receive all that we receive, and pass through all the ordeals that we are passing through" (Journal of Discourses 14:71-72).
aaronshaf2006 5 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 Thanks. I pray God gives Mormons eyes to see, and ears to hear, because every step they take into becoming their own god, the further they are from the true God.
godswordsheal 5 months ago
@ John 4:24 - God is a Spirit and so are we. Currently, our spirits are clothed in a body of "Flesh" and after the resurrection of the Dead, our spirits will be once again clothed with a physical, tangible body. The same kind of Body that Jesus now has because he returned to his disciples with this body. These things are SO elementary, SO basic, and SO simple, it stuns me how easy it is to confuse them. We are either children of God or children of men or descendants of Apes! Two choices.
THELDSLIFE 5 months ago
ANY of you.
LeafySuburb 5 months ago
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I don't think god gives a shit what you think.
LeafySuburb 5 months ago
Nothing but tears...
unknownpharmer 6 months ago
Does this video make you want to weep for the poor lost folks who simply don't have a clue?
I guess that most of these people are LDS.
That is just a tragedy.
"As man is God once was, as God is man can become"
If you can think that after reading John 4:24 then you deserve whatever wrath God has in store.
John 4:24
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
The Mormons have to have a little god so they can eventually be better than him.
hammerogod 6 months ago
@hammerogod One Commentary insists:
That God is spirit is not meant as a definition of God's being—though this is how the Stoics [a branch of Greek philosophy] would have understood it. It is a metaphor of his mode of operation, as life-giving power, and it is no more to be taken literally than 1 John 1:5, "God is light," or Deuteronomy 4:24, "Your God is a devouring fire." It is only those who have received this power through Christ who can offer God a real worship
TheSkepticChristian 5 months ago
Romans 5:19 "For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous"
~Sin did not exist before Adam.
~The Law did not exist until God gave it to mankind.
1 John 3:4
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law".
Who's Law?
God's ...correct?
Without God there is no Law.
Therefore, no Sin.
So..did God ever sin?.....uh ......no.
hammerogod 6 months ago
@hammerogod If you believe that Mormons are lost, then you believe in a cruel god
TheSkepticChristian 4 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
I believe that God gave everyone the chance to be saved.
Everything needed was provided.
The Work was done and done completely.
He paid the entire price and offered salvation as a gift.
If that gift is not accepted does that make God cruel?
I know that some Mormons have accepted Jesus and who the Bible says He is, Repented, been Baptized and are living according to God's will.
God will not allow them to be lost.
hammerogod 4 months ago
@hammerogod All this videos are warning me,
am I going to literally burn in Hell forever, if I don't leave the lds church, and if I never accept the trinity??
TheSkepticChristian 4 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
No.
What "Church" you belong to has nothing to do with Salvation.
How you view the Trinity has nothing to do with Salvation.
What is in your Heart has everything to do with Salvation.
~Jesus's Words~
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, HATH everlasting life, and SHALL NOT come into condemnation; but IS passed from death unto life."--John 5:24.
Do you see that the statement is in the Present tense?
Hath & Is.
hammerogod 4 months ago
@hammerogod Then why do you waste your time with all this anti-mormon nonsense??
(no offense)
TheSkepticChristian 4 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Call it a "Hobby".
Being able to say a few words on YT makes me happy.
Expressing my opinion makes me happy.
The hope that someone might re-think a shaky position because of something I said makes me happy.
But I still let people draw their own conclusions.
i am not a Preacher...I am just a guy with a keyboard and a good internet connection.
Most of the time I just play games online.
I only come to YT whenever I think somebody might be singing "Hail to the Man".
Peace.
hammerogod 4 months ago
@hammerogod How about this expression?
NatGeo is one of the most respected scientific organizations in the world. They have the real archaeologists (including a Mormon), with the real research
Archaeology does NOT support --
1)The Exodus
2) the walls of Jericho at the time of Joshua
3) that Jonah got the people of Assyrian of Nineveh capital to repent
4) Solomon's "glorious" "empire"
5) Book of Genesis
Matthew 2, the Execution of babies in New Testament, is not mentioned by any historian
TheSkepticChristian 4 months ago
Great video!!
MsFreedom2fly 6 months ago
I was so glad that even a few said no. Praise the LORD!
MsFreedom2fly 6 months ago
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Mormons are like robots . It looks like business meeting
bobbyraejohnson 7 months ago
This is so sad
squints328 7 months ago
Their ties are too tight, it's cutting off the blood supply to their brain!
TheChristiankat 7 months ago
Only a select few see who GOD truly is.
TheChristiankat 7 months ago
This makes me sick!! God is PERFECT! Always has been, always will be! This is one reason you all will NOT dwell with God in HIS kingdom!!
TheChristiankat 7 months ago
@TheChristiankat I would not call killing children and raping women perfect.
humanistheart 5 months ago
@TheChristiankat Really? By all means explain to me how slaughtering children is perfect? What part of slitting children' throats and letting them die slowly as they gasp for air while their throats swell with blood and puss do you find perfect?
humanistheart 4 months ago
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Mormons believe Jesus was the only sinless man to ever live on this earth.
Jesus said "I do nothing of myself, but that which I have seen my Father do."
Jesus lived a perfect sinless life, just as he said he saw God the Father do.
Was God ever a sinner? No, He was a perfect man exactly as His beloved son was.
Mormons believe that they are the children of God, and if children, then heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ, if it so be that they suffer with Christ.
This is biblical I recall.
EzmuzeIDOL 7 months ago
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EzmuzeIDOL 7 months ago
in Mormonism, who made God the Father into a god?
Dadutta 8 months ago
@Dadutta
That's the perfect question.
MsFreedom2fly 6 months ago
Hmmm...is it possible that our Heavenly Father could have been a sinner like us?
Don't know, don't care. Whether that answer is yes or no, nothing changes.
Ninjax2000 8 months ago
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@Ninjax2000
So your God can change?
MsFreedom2fly 6 months ago
First off God is from Eternity to Eternity..no beginning, no end.
Ps. 90:2
"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God"
2 Tim 1:9
"saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity"
hammerogod 8 months ago
And Sinless:
1 John 3:4
"Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness"
The "Law" belongs to God.
He made it for mankind.
Since God is "Eternal" and made the Law for the "Mortal" He could not possibly have ever broken it.
God had to be a "Sinner" for Mormons to feel good about Him.
How sad.
If your "Warm Feeling In The Bosom" means more to you than the true Biblical identity of God then Hell is what you deserve.
hammerogod 8 months ago
@hammerogod I'm so with you!! How in the world would someone say God was a man? a sinful man? oh wait Joseph Smith did! Truth aboutMormon gods from Mormon scripture: Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 349 (council of Gods) Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345 (God once a man like us) B.Y. Journal of Discourses, 7:238 (Gods exist) The Gospel through the Ages, 105-106 (God was man and man may be God)
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
Making mistakes is an ESSENTIAL part of the learning progress, according to the guy in the blue shirt and is even comforting... do I need to become an alcoholic to learn that the bible is true and we should avoid alcohol. Jesus did not sin... I guess that he did not learn much in the learning progress. The Mormons definitely missed the mark on this one.
heath0503 8 months ago
That's like asking if a stick was ever able to be a carrot. Sin is by definition falling out of alignment with God's ways; straying from them. If that which does not align with His good pleasure is sin then it is 'by all logic and reason' an impossible act for God to sin.
Exegesis21 8 months ago
I have one question about the term "sin". Is racism a sin?
MrJohnhockney 9 months ago
@MrJohnhockney
John 13:34-35
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another"
So, yes, racism is a sin.
hammerogod 8 months ago
@BaurakAle7 Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ he paid the price for are sins and when we take upon our selves the name of Christ when we get baptized we become as sons and daughters of Jesus Christ... So through the law of adoption Jesus is our Father... But only in the sense of the word... God the Father is the literal Father of our spirits and our body because he gave us life... And through the sacrifice of the Son we can have eternal life... God the Father is not God in the Fullest sense
xenex23 9 months ago
@xenex23 Without the Son and also the Son with out the Father... You really need to look at it more as titles... Jesus is the Father because he does the Fathers will, so he can speak for the Father. There are two different persons and yet in the fact the are of the same mind, they are one.
xenex23 9 months ago
@BaurakAle7 Do you believe that Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father are two distinct individuals and not one and the same person?
xenex23 9 months ago
i weep for and pray that these lost sheep find their way
415kween 9 months ago
I agree with my fellow Latter-day Saints, the idea that God went through a human experience makes him feel closer to me. It gives me the understanding that he understands me. The potential that God sinned in previous experiences doesn't lessen my worship or compromise my trust. Every denomination has different interpretations of Jesus and other doctrine, why single out Mormonism?
JohnRhysMusician 9 months ago
@JohnRhysMusician Deutoronomy 4: 35Unto thee it wa showed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him 39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. This answers your question? how can God have been a man, when he says it clear, he is GOD. And there's none besides him. If you trust in a god that had sinned, than you are just as dead as the god u trust in.
pinkflare303 8 months ago
@pinkflare303 In this earth. I don't see a conflict.
JohnRhysMusician 8 months ago
@JohnRhysMusician
Your quote:
"Every denomination has different interpretations of Jesus"
No, they don't.
Baptist, Methodist, Episcopal, Lutheran, etc, ad infinitum ALL agree on this identity of Jesus.
No differences.
Romans 10:9-10
"If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved"
hammerogod 8 months ago
I like to think that God can do anything. So sure he could have sinned. He certainly sinned in the Old Testament.
GohModley 10 months ago
God does not sin because it goes against His nature - God is perfect and sinless. Everyone can have an opinion but whose to say it is correct? In order to have the correct answer and understand this we must first decide to study the Holy Bible. Some questions we must ask is ... is the bible trust worthy? is the bible accurate? and so on. Once we reach our own decision we can choose to accept or deny the Holy Bible.
Here are some verses you can google Hab 1:13, Ro 3:23, Ps 143:2
JesusSavedme78 10 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 That logic is flawed. For the same reason you believe God existed forever, the universe could as well. God didn't create the universe. The universe and everything in it always was. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. The universe is just as self-existent as God.
hungrytrash 10 months ago
@BaurakAle7 Personal sinning doesn't encourage progression. Having opposition and overcoming it is what causes growth/progression. In other words, being tempted to do something against God's will and choosing not to, or feeling the pains of mortality and enduring them. Jesus Christ progressed perfectly, He never had to sin to do it. Sin is a stop to progression. The less you sin, the better your progression. God didn't have to sin to become as He is. Chances are He didn't. <3
hungrytrash 10 months ago
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@BaurakAle7 you're welcome? i like how you only partially quoted me and or tried to hide the rest of what i said. thats very typical of you antis. classic! LOL
austindaw3 10 months ago
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austindaw3 10 months ago
@BaurakAle7 Right thats a weak argument when Jesus clearly states in John 5:19. With there being no official statement from the church its my opinion that Heavenly Father was like a Jesus Christ during His mortal probation. It's not a presumption that He did everything that the Father did. It's in the Bible. I argue that Heavenly Father progressed to godhood like the Savior did because of the my belief in the King Follet discourse. Whats were you trying to get at about the GP ch 47?
austindaw3 10 months ago
I like the guy that says "if you use logic and reason, it is possible". If you used logic and reason....you wouldn't believe in supernatural things!
opo100 10 months ago
@opo100 Right, if we believed in logic and reason, we'd just assume the universe popped into being uncaused out of nothing... riiiiiight? :)
aaronshaf2006 10 months ago 10
@aaronshaf2006 No one has said it came from nothing. It seems that way, because the universe came from a singularity, and has expanded. M theory suggests that we are one of an infinite number of dimensions, that from time to time collide with each other, which would explain the big bang. It really is fascinating and if you want to know more, Stephen Hawking's new book 'The Grand Design' helps simplify it.
opo100 10 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 Also your comment suggests logical and reasonable people "assume" the universe just came out of nothing. No one is assuming anything. To assume something would be against all reason and logic, We look to evidence, and what we can prove.
So we start from a neutral position and we determine a theory from the evidence.
We don't base our lives on the 200 year old delusions of a 14 year old boy.
opo100 10 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 Are you a christian? Then that is what you believe, that the universe popped into being out of nothing. Not uncaused, but still out of nothing.
humanistheart 4 months ago
It's sad that most believe this way. Didn't Jesus say that He could only do what the Father did? If Jesus was sinless wouldn't that make Heavenly Father sinless? It's funny that he got opinions in the heart of "mormonism". Why not ask outside of an area that doesn't have the holier than thou attitude?
austindaw3 10 months ago
Does anyone find it ironic that the reason Lucifer (Satan) was cast into hell because of his desire to obtain God head and to rule the world? What does it make you if you believe that you can become or work your way to be God or obtain the same status as God? God is perfect, and without sin. It only seems logical as to why he turned his eyes from Christ when he bore the weight of sin...
Mustaine4Prezz 10 months ago
YOU FOOLS GOD THE FATHER IS WITH OUT SIN
I CANT UNDERSTAND SOME PEOPLE THINK HE COULD HAVE A SINNER
WHAT FOOLS.....
Gelnprato 11 months ago
@Gelnprato Yes they're all fools for believing in that silly Joseph Smith.
But your 6000 year old Earth, Adam & Eve, Noah's flood and Zombie Jesus all make perfect sense!
opo100 10 months ago
All of us experience temptations. So did the Savior, but He "gave no heed unto them". Similarly, we don not have to yield simply because a temptation surfaces. We may want to, but we don't have to". ~ D Todd Christofferson
I hope that enlightened you a little bit. You don't need to burst for our souls...all of us believe in the same Savior and our goals are all the same...to be an example to everyone and be a good "child of God".
dacy1620 11 months ago
Great video. Thankyou. My heart bursts for these lost souls. They are so blind with very blind guides.
schmoel2 11 months ago
The guy at 6:10 amazes me. God being sinful is utterly alien to every other form of Christianity, including protestantism. .
But you have to admit, if you DO believe that all Gods are the results of overcome trials in a mortal life, and if you believe you can make yourself perfect before death, it makes perfect sense to admire Heavenly Father for being a sinner who was exalted to Godhood. It wouldn't be a cause for doubt.
There should, however, be laden doubt in those first two assumptions.
imjustsomeguy72 11 months ago
The question I have, is if "God" sinned before he became "God", then what moral law existed that enabled it to be sin? By definition, if it's a "sin", then there was a moral law broken, so there would have to have been a moral lawgiver, and that would have to be God. But God wasn't God yet, so how could he be a sinner? In fact, how could there be ANY right and wrong? And if no right and wrong, how can you "progress"? The whole theology breaks down.
jstone1022 1 year ago