this riot footage is battle of seattle though right? 1999? wtf... oh i see theres greece too. nice vid. it would have been revolutionary if there had been around 20,000 people protesting in 04 against the war... sick video man. makes me think about what we can do right fucking now (seeing as how our presence during 08 RNC/DNC was a disgrace to the movement!) except anticapitalista dnc well we all got arrested...
we need to replace this republic form of guv with a real democracy where the people vote on every law and war.everything and the few leaders we have in wash to install our laws cou,d be hired and FIRED as needed.even prosecuted if need be.its the only deal in the world (all present guvs)where the ones who pay the wages get told what to do.they want more money they just take it by force from the taxpayers.who oks their pay raises?the same ones who police them.they do.
WTF?? You want to trade a republic, true freedom, for a mod rule society? The problem with democracy, and majority rule, is 51% of the population can enslave 49%
1st off this country went from-democracy2republic2 the now socialist because when the GOV takes over responsibility of
Private groups, that equals socialism..Anarchism is only the beginning,,be prepared for a full depression-deny it if u want but when it hits thats when to start some shit..this countrys U.S treasury was to China in 04 THNX 2 Bush-look it up in "American Theocracy" we were already sold now come marshall Law-PoliceState then Fema Consentration camps.
call it what ever you want, they (GOV)telsl us lab rats 1 thing while its truely a whole different thing. Pick your cheese. Liberty is another word for Democracy. Thats what the U.S was all about & built upon, now its about takin it up the ass like sheep & follow'n orders like bitches. They tell u what it is "Republic" & ppl like u believe that lie.
They never say the word Republic anymore. All they say is how they want to spread Democracy world wide. You have your way of thinking backwards. Read the Constitution, then we'll have this conversation.
So what if they dont use the word anymore! The entire constitution has no spine- regardless of what it say's-especially when were own by the Rothschild. Its man made laws- so there hypocritical. All developed countys are owned and ruled by capitol a.k.a greed. Before u even try to think u know what America truelly is, read about the Rothschilds u ignorant tool. You have your way of thinking MANUFACTURED by the lies u take as credible!
I know all about the Rothchilds and the Federal reserve. Your assuming that I'm an uneducated sheep. I know out country (and others) are currently controlled by a small group of bankers. Do you even know the difference between a republic and a democracy?
Yeah-do you? Lets end this debate.ok. Pick your cheese. Weve been a socialist country for quite a while, & ppl like you believe the spin. Democracy-Republic, its all BS. Just like they say were in a recession, but really were in a Depression..lies on top of more lies. Weve been owned by China since 2004-you probably think thats BS, because you didnt see it on the headlines(news). But look it up read (research). Forget a bullshit TITLE they teach in schools & look at it for what it really is.
Without a doubt, Im glad we finally agree on something. Change is inevitable. The question is how to organize it. Ppl now, deeply feel something has to change but organizing is the hardest part.
Probably the most obvious flaw of anarchism is its utopianism. Anarchists believe it is an ideal without fault. I believe in democracy but I acknowledge it has weaknesses. An ideal anarchy, ie with no one in a position of responsibility would be terrifying because dangerous people would be free to do as they please and then vigilante justice would prevail. Anarchists tend to be convinced that everyone who doesn't believe in anarchy is a slave to governments which is clearly a gross distortion.
Gave you seen the incredibly lame attmpt by these so-called protesters?
Waht a joke. A bunch of stoners protesting what? The fact that their moms and dads won't buy them a better car. These snots have done nothing but break a bunch of windows and make themselves look like total morons. They have not changed one thing nor will they.
Check out my video and you will see exactly what these people say they are protesting. Or more precisely WHO they are protesting. These brainics are SO smart it is scarey!
Anarchists are nothing but hate filled spoilt losers who only care about themselves. They NEVER do anything productive except protest and whine about how awful things are. But im optimistic. They can riot all they want- most people aren't stupid enough to fall for their ideals of violent chaos. Just about every argument they make is flawed.
AMEN! If these hippies had jobs they would actually worry about Borat winning and taxing the shit out of them! I hope they get their asses handed to them every time they show up to these events! Look at the video I have of protesters being interviewed and not even knowing WHO they support! It is so funny!
Yabasta5000, if you had your all out anarchy with no rules, I would beat your ass, take your girl, take all your food and water, and then beat your ass again! You could not survive an all out anarchist world then you would be crying for some civility when I took everything from you. These people piss me off!!
If you're violent, you will be put in your "Place" LOL!!
My Daddy used to beat the piss out of the Hippy protesters in the 60's, now me and the rest of the boys in blue REALLY LOVE to woop the asses of these rich , white liberal, over entitled,crybaby kids! Keep it commin', and thanks for all the OT pay!
It's funny how here you can get away with protesting and and rioting and all of that, yet in countries like China, there would be about 10 seconds before a bullet went through your head. Count your blessings if you live in this country... Why don't some of you go over there?
here you can get away with protesting... which, to an american, is a beautiful thing... breaking shit and throwing torches? Pretty much always a bad move. The state's much more eloquent at this violence stuff. They're crazy good at it, in fact. Like, 150 pound top-ramen fed graffitti artist vs. 250 pound corn fed cracker cop? Cop wins everytime. But the graffitti artist has an edge through the word, through the truth. Truth is our trump card, not throwing tantrums.
Well it sounds like you are a more peaceful protestor, which I don't have a problem with. It's the people who are not even from here, and come and trash our lovely city, and bring their filth in and break windows, harm others, and just ruin our safe atmosphere. To be honest, I support McCain, but I don't really want the RNC here because it drags all the rabble-rousing here.
You see... the key is to not give a shit. Make as much money as you possibly can in this life and the amount of people who fuck with dwindle in their numbers. It is this reason why I turned my back on all this "new-age resistance" bullshit when I thought it was so cool years ago. Just as long as no one fucks with me, my friends, or my family then I couldn't give less of a shit what this government does. I know its full of evil bastards, but hey which government isn't? I'm here to get mine. FUALL
John McCain and Barrack Obama do not stand for the kind of change we want. You're not getting the picture. We want TOTAL freedom. No capitalism, no wars, no unecassary work. We have a government that decides for us when and where we will go to war no matter how much we protest. This is why we march and riot. We are forced to. Anarchists represent real change and outside the box thinking, they are good people who don't even want violence or stalking.
Then move to Somalia. There is Anarchy there, perhaps you would like it. Until then, in this country when you provoke the cops and destroy property You will be dealt with according to the law.
This is how I know you have no clue what you're talking about. There is no Anarchist society in this world today in existance. Samolia just has a weak Republic. You cannot compare a horrid government to a true free anarchist stae. Because these two types of societies contradict each other and are exact opposites. This was a riot against Globalization too. You cannot escape Globalization. That why they call it GLOBALization. So we need to fight back at the source instead of moving to a Samolia.
I love how you people always put the 'ol "human nature" argument out of your ass. I wonder how many of you have actually read a book about the subject.
Different books will tell you different things about human nature.
It is natural for humans to form societies and for these societies to have leaders and rules. It's just how things work. You couldn't just take this away and expect it to stay that way. If you removed the government a new one would just naturally form. New laws would come into place. A new society would come up.
For the anarchists to prevent a new government forming they would have to organize and form laws to stop it.
Egalitarianism can exist in small groups of people. As a group gets bigger and more informal they eventually develop leadership. It's an evolution. To revert back to bands and tribes would be a step backwards in social evolution.
It would never work because eventually momentum would just go forward again, larger groups of people would form, and eventually there would be a new society.
I don't see any necessity in groups "developing leadership". During the anarchist revolution in Spain back in the '30s, the anarchist union the CNT had a million members, and no leaders.
And so what if it would take a "huge alteration of consciousness"? It took a huge alteration of consciousness for people to accept the liberalist values of the French revolution, and they did (and this was apparently "impossible" as well).
It's not a necessity but it's how it seems to work. If you look at societies today all of them I can think of have a government. That's because it's a natural evolution. When groups grow impersonal they develop laws and people to create, monitor and enforce these laws. There are exceptions, but for the most part this is how it works.
It's possible something similar to anarchy could eventually evolve, society won't remain like this for ever, who knows what will come.
Society won't remain like this forever. This always change. That is the only thing you can confidently say about history.
I don't think that every society today having a government means that every society tomorrow will have one. People said that liberal democracy and everything it stood for would lead to chaos and social decadence. And I'm sure many people said it "failed" after the French monarchy was restored. But today, every western nation is a liberal democracy. So why not anarchy?
It is possible that it could be anarchy. It could be anything really. It could be something we haven't even thought of yet. But at this point right now if the government was to fall another one would form. As was mentioned already a change in consciousness on a mass scale would be required.
The way I look at it though no matter what you are a slave to the conventions and ideals of the people you live with. Society in any form is slavery. I believe freedom can only be found in the individual.
I agree. As for change of consciousness - I agree there too. The Spanish revolution didn't happen overnight. It was the result of decades of experimentation and education. Only anti-civilizationists advocate the immediate over throw of the state. In my view it will be a gradual process (that is, if it happens at all).
Anarchists want a highly organised society. You would know this if you had every read a book on the subject. Spend some time reading and give trolling the rest, aye?
Yes, anarchists can write. And they can read, too. Anarchism is a large intellectual current. Can you read books, btw? Judging from the stupid comments you have been making, I think not. But please, prove me wrong.
How many anarchists have you actually met (in "real life" not on TV)? And how many books have you read on the subject? The media generally presents them as being violent. They don't even say "violent anarchists" but "anarchists" suffices, apparently.
KafkaCrow- I have been friends with people calling themselves anarchists and my last 'boss' was an anarchist (actually team leader) so iv'e a fairly good insight. My friends are still very sympathetic to anarchism but have admitted they don't think it can work. Happy?
You keep asking about books but any book can say anything. I base my believes on numerous, often differing sources, not the bible of anarchism you seem to follow.
(cont) Basically for anarchy to work it would require a huge alteration in consciousness and every single person would have to agree to it. If anyone disagreed and wanted to to create a new society the anarchists couldn't stop them without it becoming something different than anarchy.
xxXCALIBURxx- Then you aren't really a true anarchist. If you were you wouldn't have just endorsed two political idealogies; a common mistake made by people who call themselves anarchists, ultimately wanting that utopian ideology to be reality when in fact they endorse what they claim to oppose; anarcho-libertarian, anarcho- communist, anarcho-capitalist and so on. Theres hypocrisy. True anarchists actually don't exist. Just spoiled brats taking democracy for granted.
Yes I know Anarchy is not even a form of government, it's absense of all systems and governing bodies. I know, I neevr said I was an Anarchists. I'm all for a Revolution and a Democracy, but with a true Democracy would come the abolition of work. Very complicated.
xxXCALIBURxx- ok, sorry I misunderstood your position. However, specifically what do you mean by revolution? Im aware both the GOP and Dems are enormous parties but there are other parties in the US- aren't there? The American Greens, Independants and so on. At the moment, the US is a deeply flawed democracy but this election (whilst crucial) is unlikely to be as corrupt as 2000 (ie hanging chads) What would you wish to replace the state of the current US political system with- communism?
First off, we have no Democracy. Anyone who says America has Democracy doesn't know what they're talking about. You can't even have Capitalism and Democracy at the same time, those are two contradicting systems. Actually that'd be a good OxyMoron-"Capitalistic Democracy" Anyway, I believe in a Democracy with a small central government. Kind of like Anarcho-Capitalism byut instead we have a little more laws. We also need to ensure that no one can exploit the free market this time...
What do you suggest as an alternative to globalization? I mean don't you think it is inevitable? We have worldwide travel and people see and want goods and services from other places. The internet, movies and TV all bring other places to us so why not offer them up close where people can actually get the stuff they want? Or do you suppose there is some real sinister meaning here?
this video is rockn roll!!!!! Come on all you supposed alternative kids living your imaginery alternative lifestyles. Let us see you are some pussy fakes. Up hold your scene and beliefs. Stand up and fight.
Fuck yes. Fuck the segregation. Fuck hyphy, fuck scene, fuck religion, fuck it all. We are the end times. The end of the fucking bad times. We are the collective entity, prepared through the teachings of 5000 failed attempts to re-control individual lives. If we unite, it all ends. They were raised on the Brady Bunch. We were raised by Braveheart. They had 'The Maltese Falcon'. We had 'V For Vendetta'.
I'd love to see the expressions on your faces when you're all reading your Korans and wearing burkas in the not to distant future....that's your destiny if you keep denying the militant Islamic threat that we face. Enjoy your freedom of speech while you have it. WAKE UP losers...and mix in a bath while you're at it.
We went into the wrong country, dumbass. 13 out of 16 of the "hijackers" were Saudi, but as they have 60bil+ in our economy and they've actually nicknamed Bindar "Bindar Bush", I think even you can figure out why we didn't attack them. And you should look up a book called "The Grand Chessboard", written in 1998, by Verjinsky, where he details the countries we need to invade to take over the world and become a global superpower. We are currently "waging war" in each country he circled.
Great video... i hope to see you all in the streets in Denver Aug 24-28 and in the Twin Cities Sept 1-4!!! Y aunque el EZLN no es un organismo especificamente anarquista, se han organizado de una forma efectiva en contra del imperialismo mundial. Y eso, por lo menos, vale mucho.
So a question. In 2008 are we going to let them take our brotheres and sisters to a detention cell? You do know that the responce of the establishment is going to be the same. Its amazing how an entire flock of sheep will run from a wolf, sure ones gonna get eaten but that wolf is gonna get worked by the rest if they dont run. Watch battle at kruger on you tube its a nice visual, i wonder if it could be applied to other species????
Absolutely,I teach my kids,that when you think and can act as a team or single entity, if you will,you can overcome any obstacle! If we can find the guts to stand together...we can overcome what is coming (The people should have stood together in New Orleans and the damn cops and troops would have not stood a chance!)...but I seriously doubt that will happen when we have to worry about Jamie Spears newborn or when Tiger Woods will return to playing and all the other B.S. that is important to us!
People marching with signs are so predictable and hardly ever inventive. Synchronize watches and show up at the prescribed time! Don't forget your sign and a light snack! And remember to stay hydrated!
The reason activists have no imagination is that people with imagination know that bringing about change is going to require something more provocative than a picket line.
He said the imaginative ones know that picket lines and cardboard signs aren't going to change shit. An by god, I hope if a revolution happens you're nowhere near it. You just proved you're much too ignorant to be a part of it.
EZLN wave mexican flags, they support their own limited form of government and military. They make commentary on the Mexican government, and have repeatedly attacked neo-liberalist/neo-conservativist ideologies.
Even indian tribes give power to a chief.. the key is to give a little power and to contain it.. Prohibition of power is no more effective than prohibition of alchohol. You can quote that.. give credit to Arthur :)
"The root is capitalism AND NATIONALISM. Nations and borders are inherently problematic. I guarantee that subcommandante marcos and the rest of the zapatistas would be disgusted by your support of a right-wing bigoted moron."
The Zapatistas of today are not the same as those led by Zapata 100 years ago. Hence the name:
Zapatista National Liberation Army (EZLN)
They are nationalist.. NOT anarchist. I suggest you do your homework.
First of all I never claimed the Zapatistas were anarchists, nor did I bring up Emiliano Zapata. Anyone who reads Zapatista communiques and knows more than just the fact that "they want freedom" knows they're not anarchists. I personally do not care if they are. They are nationalist in the tradition of Hidalgo and others like him.
Regardless...they definitely do NOT like borders. My friends who've been to their land can attest to that.
The thing with Ron Paul is that he plans to reduce state alienation, but with that, he promotes corporate alienation. It's up to us to find a way to eliminate both.
Wow. That's really good. Awesome choices of music bits. Great mixing of video & sound. A nice patch-work of images and sounds delivering a good clear message. Well Done! I enjoyed your work.
We must take the fight to the streets brothers and sisters! Put signs up so cars can see, before all the others do. Put stickers on your car. Educate people why Ron Paul is the best man and why our corrupt government doesn't want him to be elected.
i think it is safe to say that the state sucks, right? ok, but that is not going to happen overnight. so what then? well we can go about riding our bicycles with the pants cut to our calves, eating our raw foods, and AT LEAST vote for this dude who is talking A LOT LESS bullshit than the rest. As much as a friend as i am to anarchism, i gotta say, Ron Paul is the best option by far to making another world a little bit more possible.
A wall between us and Mexico is nationalist not racist. "Mexican" is not a race, and as a Mexican I resent such a presumption. Mexico is another nation.
Maybe you have never lived along the border, but I have and the smuggling, the assassinations.. cross border raids.. it needs to stop. NAFTA needs to end and we need to stop messing with other countries. Ron Paul is the only person that wanted to do this.. effectively ending the Monroe Doctrine. Find the root instead of hacking at leaves.
The root is capitalism AND NATIONALISM. Nations and borders are inherently problematic. I guarantee that subcommandante marcos and the rest of the zapatistas would be disgusted by your support of a right-wing bigoted moron.
An anarchist is not a person that want the right changes to happen in the Government. It is a person that Does NOT want Government at all. Ron paul and his supporters do NOT want to abolish the Gov.
true, but I'd prefer a smaller, more limited government than a large one any day. I am not unreasonable or hard headed. Eliminating the IRS, withdrawing out of Iraq, restoring liberties is a lot more revolutionary than trashing a Starbucks in Seattle ie Battle of Seattle '99.
WTF? You were not watching the video. No one who made this wants ron paul or any other fascist moron in office. No gods, no masters and no politicians!
already watched it.. and I think that you are living in a dream world. Ron Paul is far from fascist.. he is for a severely handicapped government.
I find it ironic how so many anarchists think that the best way to abolish the state is to participate in state regulated protests covered by state and corporate media. Wake up.. those don't work. Time to think of new tactics.
"state regulated protests covered by state and corporate media." I find this critique funny because Ron Paul is a STATIST. No one is a true anarchist would vote for, hmm, ANYONE.And Many of us do far more than just show up to protests. Actually the majority of the anarchist movement in the US has moved away from orienting around protests and are working in their communities a lot more. We go to protests to fuck shit up, not to be seen by the state media.
Well thanks for giving the government a pre-text to make themselves even bigger and stronger... the worst part is "fuck shit up" amounts to 0% real change.
Ron Paul is for extremely small government.. maybe that is statist but it is a big step in the right direction. How do you expect to change anything in a totalitarian state? There is a huge difference and you are politically ignorant if you refuse to recognize that.
Well thanks for giving the government a pre-text to make themselves even bigger and stronger... the worst part is "fuck shit up" amounts to 0% real change."????????? Name a SINGLE gain made by any "progressive" or even radical group that did not involve direct action at some point to make success. I'm SURE the civil rights and labor movements in the us and around the world were all about the speeches given and not the countless people in the street.
this riot footage is battle of seattle though right? 1999? wtf... oh i see theres greece too. nice vid. it would have been revolutionary if there had been around 20,000 people protesting in 04 against the war... sick video man. makes me think about what we can do right fucking now (seeing as how our presence during 08 RNC/DNC was a disgrace to the movement!) except anticapitalista dnc well we all got arrested...
thejuryissleepless 1 year ago
we need to replace this republic form of guv with a real democracy where the people vote on every law and war.everything and the few leaders we have in wash to install our laws cou,d be hired and FIRED as needed.even prosecuted if need be.its the only deal in the world (all present guvs)where the ones who pay the wages get told what to do.they want more money they just take it by force from the taxpayers.who oks their pay raises?the same ones who police them.they do.
opustrek1 3 years ago
WTF?? You want to trade a republic, true freedom, for a mod rule society? The problem with democracy, and majority rule, is 51% of the population can enslave 49%
stitched83 2 years ago
U.S TREASURY was SOLD 2 CHINA in 2004
low7free 3 years ago
1st off this country went from-democracy2republic2 the now socialist because when the GOV takes over responsibility of
Private groups, that equals socialism..Anarchism is only the beginning,,be prepared for a full depression-deny it if u want but when it hits thats when to start some shit..this countrys U.S treasury was to China in 04 THNX 2 Bush-look it up in "American Theocracy" we were already sold now come marshall Law-PoliceState then Fema Consentration camps.
low7free 3 years ago
What the hell are you talking about? Read the damn constitution. We were a Republic. ",and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands..."
stitched83 2 years ago
call it what ever you want, they (GOV)telsl us lab rats 1 thing while its truely a whole different thing. Pick your cheese. Liberty is another word for Democracy. Thats what the U.S was all about & built upon, now its about takin it up the ass like sheep & follow'n orders like bitches. They tell u what it is "Republic" & ppl like u believe that lie.
low7free 2 years ago
They never say the word Republic anymore. All they say is how they want to spread Democracy world wide. You have your way of thinking backwards. Read the Constitution, then we'll have this conversation.
stitched83 2 years ago
So what if they dont use the word anymore! The entire constitution has no spine- regardless of what it say's-especially when were own by the Rothschild. Its man made laws- so there hypocritical. All developed countys are owned and ruled by capitol a.k.a greed. Before u even try to think u know what America truelly is, read about the Rothschilds u ignorant tool. You have your way of thinking MANUFACTURED by the lies u take as credible!
low7free 2 years ago
I know all about the Rothchilds and the Federal reserve. Your assuming that I'm an uneducated sheep. I know out country (and others) are currently controlled by a small group of bankers. Do you even know the difference between a republic and a democracy?
stitched83 2 years ago
Yeah-do you? Lets end this debate.ok. Pick your cheese. Weve been a socialist country for quite a while, & ppl like you believe the spin. Democracy-Republic, its all BS. Just like they say were in a recession, but really were in a Depression..lies on top of more lies. Weve been owned by China since 2004-you probably think thats BS, because you didnt see it on the headlines(news). But look it up read (research). Forget a bullshit TITLE they teach in schools & look at it for what it really is.
low7free 2 years ago
I agree with everything you just said. That doesn't mean it's too late to change it!
stitched83 2 years ago
Without a doubt, Im glad we finally agree on something. Change is inevitable. The question is how to organize it. Ppl now, deeply feel something has to change but organizing is the hardest part.
low7free 2 years ago
I'm afraid it will take something major happening and a lot of people being displaced before anything becomes organized...
stitched83 2 years ago
I recommend 'Anarchy is Stupidity' by ND Clark
CULAVE 3 years ago
Probably the most obvious flaw of anarchism is its utopianism. Anarchists believe it is an ideal without fault. I believe in democracy but I acknowledge it has weaknesses. An ideal anarchy, ie with no one in a position of responsibility would be terrifying because dangerous people would be free to do as they please and then vigilante justice would prevail. Anarchists tend to be convinced that everyone who doesn't believe in anarchy is a slave to governments which is clearly a gross distortion.
CULAVE 3 years ago
Great job on the video!
Parkotronics 3 years ago
Gave you seen the incredibly lame attmpt by these so-called protesters?
Waht a joke. A bunch of stoners protesting what? The fact that their moms and dads won't buy them a better car. These snots have done nothing but break a bunch of windows and make themselves look like total morons. They have not changed one thing nor will they.
iggybiscuit123 3 years ago
Check out my video and you will see exactly what these people say they are protesting. Or more precisely WHO they are protesting. These brainics are SO smart it is scarey!
txrottie 3 years ago
wow someone hacked into my youtube i never even seen this video til now pretty weak.... now i gotta change my pass word.....VOTE OBAMA!!!
aquateen352 3 years ago
How do you figure someone hacked into your youtube?
txrottie 3 years ago
Anarchists are nothing more than the New Nazi Brown Shirts. Obama's Youth, instead of Hitler's Youth, a distinction without a difference.
riledart 3 years ago
riledart- explain how Obama supporters are anarchists?
CULAVE 3 years ago
Anarchists are nothing but hate filled spoilt losers who only care about themselves. They NEVER do anything productive except protest and whine about how awful things are. But im optimistic. They can riot all they want- most people aren't stupid enough to fall for their ideals of violent chaos. Just about every argument they make is flawed.
CULAVE 3 years ago
send em all to Guantanamo
mnmn59 3 years ago 3
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hardly "revolutionary" Just a bunch of jobless self absorbed assholes disobeying police and then getting their shit pushed in for it. Enjoy!
aquateen352 3 years ago
AMEN! If these hippies had jobs they would actually worry about Borat winning and taxing the shit out of them! I hope they get their asses handed to them every time they show up to these events! Look at the video I have of protesters being interviewed and not even knowing WHO they support! It is so funny!
txrottie 3 years ago
txrottie- not everyone who is unemployed is anarchist. Im unemployed but I cannot stomach anarchists.........
CULAVE 3 years ago
I'm not suggesting that all unemployed people do this shit. Sorry if I offended you.
txrottie 3 years ago
txrottie- no problem; I appreciate your reply.
CULAVE 3 years ago
aquateen352- I also hate anarchy, but im unemployed.........
CULAVE 3 years ago
Thats right! Me and Babs471 and whoever else was around would take turns on your floppy ass beat out girlfriend!
aquateen352 3 years ago
Yabasta5000, if you had your all out anarchy with no rules, I would beat your ass, take your girl, take all your food and water, and then beat your ass again! You could not survive an all out anarchist world then you would be crying for some civility when I took everything from you. These people piss me off!!
babs471 3 years ago
Long overdue for a revolution? From the look of you people,you're long overdue for a bath.
"Hey Hey, Ho Ho, soap and water got to go!!"
mikeap157 3 years ago
If you're violent, you will be put in your "Place" LOL!!
My Daddy used to beat the piss out of the Hippy protesters in the 60's, now me and the rest of the boys in blue REALLY LOVE to woop the asses of these rich , white liberal, over entitled,crybaby kids! Keep it commin', and thanks for all the OT pay!
ObamaPhuckinBlows 3 years ago
nice
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HARMANHOUSE1 3 years ago
It's funny how here you can get away with protesting and and rioting and all of that, yet in countries like China, there would be about 10 seconds before a bullet went through your head. Count your blessings if you live in this country... Why don't some of you go over there?
ryanbg328 3 years ago
Why don't you?
here you can get away with protesting... which, to an american, is a beautiful thing... breaking shit and throwing torches? Pretty much always a bad move. The state's much more eloquent at this violence stuff. They're crazy good at it, in fact. Like, 150 pound top-ramen fed graffitti artist vs. 250 pound corn fed cracker cop? Cop wins everytime. But the graffitti artist has an edge through the word, through the truth. Truth is our trump card, not throwing tantrums.
panopticonartist 3 years ago
Well it sounds like you are a more peaceful protestor, which I don't have a problem with. It's the people who are not even from here, and come and trash our lovely city, and bring their filth in and break windows, harm others, and just ruin our safe atmosphere. To be honest, I support McCain, but I don't really want the RNC here because it drags all the rabble-rousing here.
ryanbg328 3 years ago
over theres not looking so bad these days
HARMANHOUSE1 3 years ago
Hell, I'll buy you a ticket.
ryanbg328 3 years ago
You see... the key is to not give a shit. Make as much money as you possibly can in this life and the amount of people who fuck with dwindle in their numbers. It is this reason why I turned my back on all this "new-age resistance" bullshit when I thought it was so cool years ago. Just as long as no one fucks with me, my friends, or my family then I couldn't give less of a shit what this government does. I know its full of evil bastards, but hey which government isn't? I'm here to get mine. FUALL
eckor 3 years ago
Anarchists-Creapy killers that follow u home
Protesters-People that have nothing better 2 do and have no life, the best protest is dont vote for the person dont be dumb and stand in the street.
Nat2008D 3 years ago
John McCain and Barrack Obama do not stand for the kind of change we want. You're not getting the picture. We want TOTAL freedom. No capitalism, no wars, no unecassary work. We have a government that decides for us when and where we will go to war no matter how much we protest. This is why we march and riot. We are forced to. Anarchists represent real change and outside the box thinking, they are good people who don't even want violence or stalking.
xxXCALIBURxx 3 years ago
Then move to Somalia. There is Anarchy there, perhaps you would like it. Until then, in this country when you provoke the cops and destroy property You will be dealt with according to the law.
attilla76 3 years ago 2
This is how I know you have no clue what you're talking about. There is no Anarchist society in this world today in existance. Samolia just has a weak Republic. You cannot compare a horrid government to a true free anarchist stae. Because these two types of societies contradict each other and are exact opposites. This was a riot against Globalization too. You cannot escape Globalization. That why they call it GLOBALization. So we need to fight back at the source instead of moving to a Samolia.
xxXCALIBURxx 3 years ago
xxXCALIBURxx- thats the point! Anarchy in its stated ideal form will never work- it contradicts human nature- keep wishing.....
CULAVE 3 years ago
I love how you people always put the 'ol "human nature" argument out of your ass. I wonder how many of you have actually read a book about the subject.
KafkaCrow 3 years ago
Different books will tell you different things about human nature.
It is natural for humans to form societies and for these societies to have leaders and rules. It's just how things work. You couldn't just take this away and expect it to stay that way. If you removed the government a new one would just naturally form. New laws would come into place. A new society would come up.
For the anarchists to prevent a new government forming they would have to organize and form laws to stop it.
1988Mscott 3 years ago
Then how do you account for the bulk of anthropological evidence that shows that pre-historic peoples were egalitarian?
KafkaCrow 3 years ago
Egalitarianism can exist in small groups of people. As a group gets bigger and more informal they eventually develop leadership. It's an evolution. To revert back to bands and tribes would be a step backwards in social evolution.
It would never work because eventually momentum would just go forward again, larger groups of people would form, and eventually there would be a new society.
1988Mscott 3 years ago
I don't see any necessity in groups "developing leadership". During the anarchist revolution in Spain back in the '30s, the anarchist union the CNT had a million members, and no leaders.
And so what if it would take a "huge alteration of consciousness"? It took a huge alteration of consciousness for people to accept the liberalist values of the French revolution, and they did (and this was apparently "impossible" as well).
KafkaCrow 3 years ago
It's not a necessity but it's how it seems to work. If you look at societies today all of them I can think of have a government. That's because it's a natural evolution. When groups grow impersonal they develop laws and people to create, monitor and enforce these laws. There are exceptions, but for the most part this is how it works.
It's possible something similar to anarchy could eventually evolve, society won't remain like this for ever, who knows what will come.
1988Mscott 3 years ago
Society won't remain like this forever. This always change. That is the only thing you can confidently say about history.
I don't think that every society today having a government means that every society tomorrow will have one. People said that liberal democracy and everything it stood for would lead to chaos and social decadence. And I'm sure many people said it "failed" after the French monarchy was restored. But today, every western nation is a liberal democracy. So why not anarchy?
KafkaCrow 3 years ago
It is possible that it could be anarchy. It could be anything really. It could be something we haven't even thought of yet. But at this point right now if the government was to fall another one would form. As was mentioned already a change in consciousness on a mass scale would be required.
The way I look at it though no matter what you are a slave to the conventions and ideals of the people you live with. Society in any form is slavery. I believe freedom can only be found in the individual.
1988Mscott 3 years ago
I agree. As for change of consciousness - I agree there too. The Spanish revolution didn't happen overnight. It was the result of decades of experimentation and education. Only anti-civilizationists advocate the immediate over throw of the state. In my view it will be a gradual process (that is, if it happens at all).
KafkaCrow 3 years ago
KafkaCrow- Because liberal democracies have structure
CULAVE 3 years ago
And anarchy won't have structure, of course. Dumbass.
KafkaCrow 3 years ago
KafkaCrow- Im pleased you agree*
CULAVE 3 years ago
Anarchists want a highly organised society. You would know this if you had every read a book on the subject. Spend some time reading and give trolling the rest, aye?
KafkaCrow 3 years ago
KafkaCrow- Really! thats news to me........ these books- written by anarchists?
CULAVE 3 years ago
Yes, anarchists can write. And they can read, too. Anarchism is a large intellectual current. Can you read books, btw? Judging from the stupid comments you have been making, I think not. But please, prove me wrong.
KafkaCrow 3 years ago
KaftaCrow- im talking about bias. Of course you are going to quote books written by anarchists, to try and make your points.
And your'e now clutching at straws.........
CULAVE 3 years ago
I adhere to anarchism as it is defined by the past theoreticians within the movement. Where do you get your definition from?
KafkaCrow 3 years ago
KafkaCrow- By everything I have seen self-styled anarchists say and do.
CULAVE 3 years ago
How many anarchists have you actually met (in "real life" not on TV)? And how many books have you read on the subject? The media generally presents them as being violent. They don't even say "violent anarchists" but "anarchists" suffices, apparently.
KafkaCrow 3 years ago
KafkaCrow- I have been friends with people calling themselves anarchists and my last 'boss' was an anarchist (actually team leader) so iv'e a fairly good insight. My friends are still very sympathetic to anarchism but have admitted they don't think it can work. Happy?
You keep asking about books but any book can say anything. I base my believes on numerous, often differing sources, not the bible of anarchism you seem to follow.
CULAVE 3 years ago
The "bible of anarchism"? Never heard of it.
KafkaCrow 3 years ago
kafkacrow- metaphor*
CULAVE 3 years ago
(cont) Basically for anarchy to work it would require a huge alteration in consciousness and every single person would have to agree to it. If anyone disagreed and wanted to to create a new society the anarchists couldn't stop them without it becoming something different than anarchy.
1988Mscott 3 years ago
1988Mscott- Thats a good viewpoint
CULAVE 3 years ago
What are you talking about?I believe in a Free Market Democracy. Anarcho-Capitalism would be my second alternative if that falls apart.
xxXCALIBURxx 3 years ago
xxXCALIBURxx- Then you aren't really a true anarchist. If you were you wouldn't have just endorsed two political idealogies; a common mistake made by people who call themselves anarchists, ultimately wanting that utopian ideology to be reality when in fact they endorse what they claim to oppose; anarcho-libertarian, anarcho- communist, anarcho-capitalist and so on. Theres hypocrisy. True anarchists actually don't exist. Just spoiled brats taking democracy for granted.
CULAVE 3 years ago
Yes I know Anarchy is not even a form of government, it's absense of all systems and governing bodies. I know, I neevr said I was an Anarchists. I'm all for a Revolution and a Democracy, but with a true Democracy would come the abolition of work. Very complicated.
xxXCALIBURxx 3 years ago 4
xxXCALIBURxx- ok, sorry I misunderstood your position. However, specifically what do you mean by revolution? Im aware both the GOP and Dems are enormous parties but there are other parties in the US- aren't there? The American Greens, Independants and so on. At the moment, the US is a deeply flawed democracy but this election (whilst crucial) is unlikely to be as corrupt as 2000 (ie hanging chads) What would you wish to replace the state of the current US political system with- communism?
CULAVE 3 years ago
First off, we have no Democracy. Anyone who says America has Democracy doesn't know what they're talking about. You can't even have Capitalism and Democracy at the same time, those are two contradicting systems. Actually that'd be a good OxyMoron-"Capitalistic Democracy" Anyway, I believe in a Democracy with a small central government. Kind of like Anarcho-Capitalism byut instead we have a little more laws. We also need to ensure that no one can exploit the free market this time...
xxXCALIBURxx 3 years ago 3
What do you suggest as an alternative to globalization? I mean don't you think it is inevitable? We have worldwide travel and people see and want goods and services from other places. The internet, movies and TV all bring other places to us so why not offer them up close where people can actually get the stuff they want? Or do you suppose there is some real sinister meaning here?
txrottie 3 years ago
Constitution- guarantees right to assembly and protects property rights
Protesters- true patriots
Anarchists-out their white mind
Nat2008D- needs to read constitution
panopticonartist 3 years ago
idiots like this in the 60s were one reason nixon got elected
ellwyn 3 years ago
good video
but it failed when you showed ron paul
Ron Paul was our only hope in this election
homework time for the anarchists
tzolkin2013 3 years ago
thats right he showd Ron Paul the same way he showed us the other Basterds, and basterds is a really nice word to describe them!
ZilverGalacticon 3 years ago
"homework time for the anarchists"
By this you mean . . ?
KenCat1337 3 years ago
this video is rockn roll!!!!! Come on all you supposed alternative kids living your imaginery alternative lifestyles. Let us see you are some pussy fakes. Up hold your scene and beliefs. Stand up and fight.
wearefreedom 3 years ago
Fuck yes. Fuck the segregation. Fuck hyphy, fuck scene, fuck religion, fuck it all. We are the end times. The end of the fucking bad times. We are the collective entity, prepared through the teachings of 5000 failed attempts to re-control individual lives. If we unite, it all ends. They were raised on the Brady Bunch. We were raised by Braveheart. They had 'The Maltese Falcon'. We had 'V For Vendetta'.
Let's take these fuckers down, for the last time.
google: Project for a New American Century.
DropThought 3 years ago
this video is pretty great.
caseyforever 3 years ago
Join my forum if you seek the truth and to meet others who seek it as well.
You can find a link to it on my channel under my homepage.
Our Evolution is in the Revolution.
deathmasta25 3 years ago
I'd love to see the expressions on your faces when you're all reading your Korans and wearing burkas in the not to distant future....that's your destiny if you keep denying the militant Islamic threat that we face. Enjoy your freedom of speech while you have it. WAKE UP losers...and mix in a bath while you're at it.
freedomlovinginfedel 3 years ago
We went into the wrong country, dumbass. 13 out of 16 of the "hijackers" were Saudi, but as they have 60bil+ in our economy and they've actually nicknamed Bindar "Bindar Bush", I think even you can figure out why we didn't attack them. And you should look up a book called "The Grand Chessboard", written in 1998, by Verjinsky, where he details the countries we need to invade to take over the world and become a global superpower. We are currently "waging war" in each country he circled.
panicxitsxbrea 3 years ago
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EXIST AND RESIST,
peace.
KenCat1337 3 years ago 2
As in live in Aussie I wish I was their with you.
Hope you shut the R.N.C one down.
eyewrenchee 3 years ago
Great video... i hope to see you all in the streets in Denver Aug 24-28 and in the Twin Cities Sept 1-4!!! Y aunque el EZLN no es un organismo especificamente anarquista, se han organizado de una forma efectiva en contra del imperialismo mundial. Y eso, por lo menos, vale mucho.
schwul13 3 years ago 4
i can tell this is a psi op vid maade by CIA
sckryde 3 years ago
Agent provocateurs huh?
Maybe your one sckryde?
Putting out a bit of false info maybe?
eyewrenchee 3 years ago
how did u come to this conclusion?
just because of the observation i made?
did you even watch the video?
do you even know what a psy op is?
have you ever played Chess? or Risk?
this is real business buddy..
either get with the program or get out of the way... ain't no room for in fighting..
sckryde 3 years ago
So a question. In 2008 are we going to let them take our brotheres and sisters to a detention cell? You do know that the responce of the establishment is going to be the same. Its amazing how an entire flock of sheep will run from a wolf, sure ones gonna get eaten but that wolf is gonna get worked by the rest if they dont run. Watch battle at kruger on you tube its a nice visual, i wonder if it could be applied to other species????
wanderingriverman 3 years ago
Absolutely,I teach my kids,that when you think and can act as a team or single entity, if you will,you can overcome any obstacle! If we can find the guts to stand together...we can overcome what is coming (The people should have stood together in New Orleans and the damn cops and troops would have not stood a chance!)...but I seriously doubt that will happen when we have to worry about Jamie Spears newborn or when Tiger Woods will return to playing and all the other B.S. that is important to us!
countrysamurai 3 years ago
it's a good video, but just that.
emptyretoric propaganda
Kroque 3 years ago
anarcho-sydnicalism forever!
nazibreaker 3 years ago
People marching with signs are so predictable and hardly ever inventive. Synchronize watches and show up at the prescribed time! Don't forget your sign and a light snack! And remember to stay hydrated!
The reason activists have no imagination is that people with imagination know that bringing about change is going to require something more provocative than a picket line.
zapatistita 3 years ago 6
So you want revolution to be creative and pretty before you buy it. It's consumerist dogs like you that I will put down in the revolution.
Aku Soku Zan
macekid421 3 years ago
That's...not what he said at all you idiot.
He said the imaginative ones know that picket lines and cardboard signs aren't going to change shit. An by god, I hope if a revolution happens you're nowhere near it. You just proved you're much too ignorant to be a part of it.
Zealot1011 3 years ago
EZLN wave mexican flags, they support their own limited form of government and military. They make commentary on the Mexican government, and have repeatedly attacked neo-liberalist/neo-conservativist ideologies.
Even indian tribes give power to a chief.. the key is to give a little power and to contain it.. Prohibition of power is no more effective than prohibition of alchohol. You can quote that.. give credit to Arthur :)
zapatista512 3 years ago
"The root is capitalism AND NATIONALISM. Nations and borders are inherently problematic. I guarantee that subcommandante marcos and the rest of the zapatistas would be disgusted by your support of a right-wing bigoted moron."
The Zapatistas of today are not the same as those led by Zapata 100 years ago. Hence the name:
Zapatista National Liberation Army (EZLN)
They are nationalist.. NOT anarchist. I suggest you do your homework.
zapatista512 3 years ago
First of all I never claimed the Zapatistas were anarchists, nor did I bring up Emiliano Zapata. Anyone who reads Zapatista communiques and knows more than just the fact that "they want freedom" knows they're not anarchists. I personally do not care if they are. They are nationalist in the tradition of Hidalgo and others like him.
Regardless...they definitely do NOT like borders. My friends who've been to their land can attest to that.
upthebikez 3 years ago
The thing with Ron Paul is that he plans to reduce state alienation, but with that, he promotes corporate alienation. It's up to us to find a way to eliminate both.
Lordnizzle34 4 years ago
Was that footage at 2:00ish from the protest on September 15, 2007?
ARedPsychosis 4 years ago
Wow. That's really good. Awesome choices of music bits. Great mixing of video & sound. A nice patch-work of images and sounds delivering a good clear message. Well Done! I enjoyed your work.
formweaver 4 years ago
its gona get bloody up here in twin cities.... i cant wait !!! ^_^
RebelliousYouth 4 years ago
"the profit motive is not a good motive"
LazyHippi 4 years ago 2
Fuck the state and anyone wanting to represent them.
ByPolarBear666 4 years ago 4
We must take the fight to the streets brothers and sisters! Put signs up so cars can see, before all the others do. Put stickers on your car. Educate people why Ron Paul is the best man and why our corrupt government doesn't want him to be elected.
Ron Paul 08!
JackNeedles 4 years ago
i think it is safe to say that the state sucks, right? ok, but that is not going to happen overnight. so what then? well we can go about riding our bicycles with the pants cut to our calves, eating our raw foods, and AT LEAST vote for this dude who is talking A LOT LESS bullshit than the rest. As much as a friend as i am to anarchism, i gotta say, Ron Paul is the best option by far to making another world a little bit more possible.
wafflehut 4 years ago
did you know that he has supported racist policies, such as wanting to build a fucking wall between us and mexico?
upthebikez 4 years ago
A wall between us and Mexico is nationalist not racist. "Mexican" is not a race, and as a Mexican I resent such a presumption. Mexico is another nation.
Maybe you have never lived along the border, but I have and the smuggling, the assassinations.. cross border raids.. it needs to stop. NAFTA needs to end and we need to stop messing with other countries. Ron Paul is the only person that wanted to do this.. effectively ending the Monroe Doctrine. Find the root instead of hacking at leaves.
zapatista512 4 years ago
The root is capitalism AND NATIONALISM. Nations and borders are inherently problematic. I guarantee that subcommandante marcos and the rest of the zapatistas would be disgusted by your support of a right-wing bigoted moron.
upthebikez 3 years ago
good vid, anarchists for ron paul..
zapatista512 4 years ago
An anarchist is not a person that want the right changes to happen in the Government. It is a person that Does NOT want Government at all. Ron paul and his supporters do NOT want to abolish the Gov.
countrybob2 4 years ago
true, but I'd prefer a smaller, more limited government than a large one any day. I am not unreasonable or hard headed. Eliminating the IRS, withdrawing out of Iraq, restoring liberties is a lot more revolutionary than trashing a Starbucks in Seattle ie Battle of Seattle '99.
zapatista512 4 years ago
Ron Paul should run as an independent with Dennis Kucinich
LazyHippi 4 years ago
WTF? You were not watching the video. No one who made this wants ron paul or any other fascist moron in office. No gods, no masters and no politicians!
upthebikez 4 years ago
already watched it.. and I think that you are living in a dream world. Ron Paul is far from fascist.. he is for a severely handicapped government.
I find it ironic how so many anarchists think that the best way to abolish the state is to participate in state regulated protests covered by state and corporate media. Wake up.. those don't work. Time to think of new tactics.
zapatista512 4 years ago
"state regulated protests covered by state and corporate media." I find this critique funny because Ron Paul is a STATIST. No one is a true anarchist would vote for, hmm, ANYONE.And Many of us do far more than just show up to protests. Actually the majority of the anarchist movement in the US has moved away from orienting around protests and are working in their communities a lot more. We go to protests to fuck shit up, not to be seen by the state media.
upthebikez 4 years ago
"fuck shit up"
Well thanks for giving the government a pre-text to make themselves even bigger and stronger... the worst part is "fuck shit up" amounts to 0% real change.
Ron Paul is for extremely small government.. maybe that is statist but it is a big step in the right direction. How do you expect to change anything in a totalitarian state? There is a huge difference and you are politically ignorant if you refuse to recognize that.
zapatista512 4 years ago
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Well thanks for giving the government a pre-text to make themselves even bigger and stronger... the worst part is "fuck shit up" amounts to 0% real change."????????? Name a SINGLE gain made by any "progressive" or even radical group that did not involve direct action at some point to make success. I'm SURE the civil rights and labor movements in the us and around the world were all about the speeches given and not the countless people in the street.
What are you, a liberal?
upthebikez 3 years ago
Ron Paul a facist? More like an Anarcho-Capitalist I'd say.
AlexMarkey 3 years ago
Ron Paul 2008!
tealblue8 4 years ago
Ron Paul should run as an independent with Dennis Kucinich
LazyHippi 4 years ago
You villinate the police officers and the military, you stray away from the real issues, leadership and policies. a poor video if i ever saw one
mark1242 4 years ago
yeah, i'm a ron paul guy, too.
Jmartin2683 4 years ago
GreatVideo,exceptforThatHorribleSoundTrack;)whatKindafuckingFreakListensToThatShit?
euronymouse999 4 years ago
Not bad but you should have kept Ron Paul out of there. He is in a class of his own. Constitutionalist.
gofins1 4 years ago
Ron Paul 2008!
Death2Prohibition 4 years ago
Ron Paul Revolution 2008!!!
LadyKofNYC 4 years ago
Ron Paul voted against the war while it was still in the planning stages.
sleuth51 4 years ago
very cool..... ron paul is the only one calling for revolution.
truevagrants 4 years ago
Nice work.
Ron Paul 08
mmongo55 4 years ago
Watch Arron Russo's film for free.
google search for-- America:Freedom to Fascism-Director's Authorized Version
gyndame 4 years ago
great video but I still support Ron paul.
joshuabrucel 4 years ago