Glenn Beck and Jim Wallis Discuss Social Justice (April Fools!)

[Ruzzellpuzzel]

I am for justice just not for socialism.

[stphnd221]

Morons that still argue and use the Bible to explain morality. What a waste of your very breath!

[vaw32]

Is Jim Wallis A fraud?

[slees2100]

Yes, Jesus says it's good news for the poor, then he goes on and says your reward and everyones is in heaven and only granted by GOD.

What he does say is, "Now i'm going to the Romans to demand them to force everyone to give up their property, goods and money so they can dole it out as they see fit.

Anyone that tells you Jesus was a socialist is a liar

[FWYGINOND]

social justice is not mentioned in the Bible anywhere

[EpicDude86]

@FWYGINOND But stoning homosexuals is!!!!

[slees2100]

@EpicDude86

Actually, stoning homosexuals is NOT in the Holy Bible. Th word homosexual isn't even in the real Bible.

By real, I mean the King James Version or before, which does not single out gays, and only warns of the behaviour of the sex and it's harm it brings on the people doing it.

Fake Bibles were written by social engineers in reaction to the sexual revolution....like the New International Version, which is NOT a literal translation therefore NOT a real Bible.

[84Kingfisher]

@slees2100

i'd suggest that you do some research on translations and the different sources that were/are used.

[ibkcrackers]

@slees2100 Lol really? It says in over 6 places in the Bible that Homosexual is sin. Jesus said a man shall not sleep with another man. Homosexual is a polish word. And all GAYS are going to hell fire.

[FWYGINOND]

Jim Wallis says that the first words out of Jesus' mouth in Luke chapter four was "the spirit of the Lord is upon me because he has annointed me to bring good news to the poor". This is not true. Jesus' first words in ch.4 "It is said: Man must not live on bread alone" (verse 3. Here. Jesus is in Jordan, not Nazereth, and He is talking ith the Devil, not the poor).

[jpcool13]

Alright... so Jim definitely looks like Obi-Wan, but Glenn looks more like Jaba the Hut then Hans Solo

[ProgressiveJoeWest]

@norqvader maybe you should be the one to read the entire Bible...it contains very little of what conservatives are always railing against and most of it was in the Old Testament....perhaps you haven't heard of the New Testament

[TheJoelef]

IM sick of people like wallis and beck both putting there politically idealogies bfore god.

[azfromthesouth]

@norqvader You are a hack! You are right, we all are sinners and Rev. Wallis is not about the Marxism as Beck says but is for doing what God commanded us to do which was to be responsible to the needs of the poor, the weak, and the marginalized were both abundant and principled. The Marxist churches in this country that Beck speaks of does not exist and he is making shit up. Social Justice is not a perversion of the gospel, as BB says, but rather social justice is at the heart of the gospel.

[777bal]

Glenn Beck is not Brave or Noble.He continually refuses to debate scholars or other men in public or academic setting!.Is he really worth 32,000,000 dollers a year salary! No

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[777bal]

it is important to understand glen Beck does not understand scripture at all.He is highly paid to talk what clever corporative interests tell him to!.He sees philosophically that the poor should straighten up,but does not have the courage to tell wealthy business ,Bankers,Insuance ,,headge fund.That they are "sinners' also and need to repent .

[chainsrgone]

watch?v=8MgyeRqzLB4

[bartonim]

Sorry, America. Too many of you have no idea what socialism is. Beck is just pulling this rubbish out of his pimply arse. He's a lying dope with nothing to say except that his fan-base proves America ought to be scared indeed. This jerk speaks for an awful lot of ignorant fools.

[azfromthesouth]

@bartonim I AGREE!

[mindylinky]

heheheheh, but an interesting discussion

[frellthat]

I wonder if anyone is actually moved by Beck's line (often repeated) about how he donates a certain percentage of his income to charity?

Yeah, Beck... you do that, just like all multi-millionaires, because you get a tax writeoff.

Somehow I doubt he'd do the same if he were making $13,000/year.

[Kapan60]

@frellthat The income tax is nothing more than forced stealing just so we can continue to pay to bomb other countries that have nothing to do with our national security.

[chickabee222]

The part where Beck talks about how the Bible tells you to go help the poor was right on. YOU need to help the poor, YOU should be going out and helping. Taking from others to give is not what the Bible teaches. Wallace is also right that we need to help the conditions but you can't force people to help and claim it biblical.

[mmmmarcy]

The corporate takeover of our government is the REAL problem, which, if examined closely, would bring teabaggers and liberals together. The corporate scheme is to (1) make us ALL peasants so well beg for low wage jobs, (2) control the government, so it will tax us peasants INSTEAD OF their profits, and (3) own the media, to confuse us about whom to be angry at. Beck is merely a well-paid mouthpiece of the corporatist propaganda.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

Marcy, if the Corporations truly controlled Government, the Obama wouldn't be able to do what he's doing. The real problem is career Politicians that do what they think is best for their party instead of what's best for the people.

[Kapan60]

@NakedLadyMudFlap Eh... do you even know who financed Obama's election campaign?

[BMBaccount]

@NakedLadyMudFlap You understand the health bill was written in part with the insurance companies, right?

[Kapan60]

@mmmmarcy Question. How do you claim to fight the corporate takeover of our goverment by giving it more and more control through legiaslation like the healthcare "reform" bill?

Bigger goverment is NEVER the answer. You claim Beck is a paid mouthpiece, just look at who financed Obama's election campaign!

Why would they bother with a news anchor when they own the President?

[frellthat]

@Kapan60 How can you right-wingers claim, on one hand, that Obama is for socialism and on the other, that he is bought and paid for by the insurance corporations? Can't you make up your mind?

More and more, I think your problem stems from the fact that you simply do not know what words like "socialism" mean.

[Kapan60]

@frellthat Why do I have to be a "right winger"? Is it just because I oppose Obama or the healthcare bill?

Socialism = bigger goverment. If 8 years of Bush can't prove to you that bigger goverment isn't the answer, I'm not sure what will.

[frellthat]

Yeah, because Bush, he was a real socialist. He was all about providing equal access to resources, coupled with an egalitarian distribution of wealth and labor.

You are just proving my earlier point... You, like Beck, are just using words that you don't understand.

"Socialism = big guvmint!"

[Kapan60]

@frellthat Bush was for bigger goverment. He shredded the Constitution under the guise of defending our freedoms while stealing it. The Patriot Act, Homeland Security, No Child Left Behind, warrantless wiretapping, Gitmo, etc are all power grabs by the federal goverment. Hell even with Obama most of those programs have been expanded. Bush also passed a huge medicare entitlement program as well.

[frellthat]

"Bush was for bigger goverment."

And, of course, according to you, anyone who is "for bigger government" is a socialist, right? This is exactly what I was talking about. Socialism is a word that actually means something, and Bush, by any stretch of the imagination, was no socialist.

[Kapan60]

@frellthat I'll bite.... why wasn't Bush a socialist?

[frellthat]

@Kapan60

I am sorry, Kapan60, but I can't respond to that comment with anything but an ad hominem. To call Bush a socialist requires such a vast and total ignorance of economics as to almost unbelievable in itself; and the sheer arrogance of thinking yourself qualified to lecture others on a subject you CLEARLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, just leaves me dumbfounded. This, I think, is the hallmark of the American right, pure anti-intellectualism, disdain for learning or facts.

[frellthat]

@Kapan60

If you want to know why Bush wasn't a socialist, FUCKING LOOK SOCIALISM UP IN ANY ENCYCLOPEDIA. Even Wikipedia will do just fine. Don't come to me, challenging me to show why Bush wasn't a socialist. That's like asking someone to prove to you there are more numbers than 10.

[Kapan60]

@frellthat Socialism- political system of communal ownership: a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles

So Bush extended Medicare and bailed out the banks and GM to help everyone avoid a depression... so why isn't he a socialist?

[frellthat]

@Kapan60

Do you really need me to point that out? The Bush bank bailout wasn't about the means of production and distribution being controlled by the people. Rather, it was the exact opposite. The banks got our money, but we got zero control over how they spent it. That's the opposite of socialism. That's private control over public assets.

Same with Medicare Part D, for that matter. It has no ability to regulate or limit costs. It just funnels money to the pharmaceuticals.

[Kapan60]

@frellthat Ah, but both were goverment programs. Socialism requires bigger goverment to control the means of production to make everything fair. After all who are you to say that the eldery didn't need those medications or that pharamceuticial employees didn't need more money.

[frellthat]

@Kapan60

You are missing the point. You can't call something socialism just because it's a government program. That's the silly high-school definition that right-wingers use. Socialism is when the people control the means of production. It's NOT when the means of production control the people, which is what the bank bailout was, which is what Medicare Part D was. I am a socialist and Bush is no socialist.

[frellthat]

@Kapan60

A socialist would never have bailed out the banks. A socialist would have bailed out the people and let the banks fail due to their own incompetence and malfeasance. If a socialist did bail out the banks, he would have restructured them into a single People's Bank, and put that bank under democratic control. No one can call the Bush bank bailout socialism. That was just private banks robbing the people.

[Kapan60]

@frellthat Nope, that's free market principles up above. You can't pick and choose when your a socialist and when your not.

[frellthat]

@Kapan60

News flash, there are more types of capitalism than "free-market" capitalism.

[frellthat]

@Kapan60

I mean, for God's sake, Bush made the CEO of Goldman Sachs his Treasury Secretary! Is that something a socialist would do? Put the private banks in charge of our treasury? Come on!

[Kapan60]

@frellthat Timmy G has ties to Goldman Sachs as well. Do a little more research and you'll begin to see that the big banks have been controlling our economy for over 100 years under a "goverment" program called the Federal Reserve. Isn't socialism great?

[frellthat]

@Kapan60

I already know where Geithner comes from. Please don't be so condescending as to tell me to "do a little research". You are right that the banks control our government, including the Obama Administration... and you are absolutely retarded if you think that is socialism.

This is the most pathetic thing about right-wingers, the tea party, Glenn Beck types... they whine and whine about socialism when in reality it's capitalism, it's the corporations, who are raping them every day.

[Kapan60]

@frellthat

Those same corporations you worry about raping you every day do it legally behind closed doors using goverment regulations. So why in the hell would you want bigger goverment to continue it?

Is there any difference between corporations and goverment? Not when your goverment has fallen to fascism.

The biggest problem is you consider socialism some sort of savior for the mess we're in, but history has shown when power becomes too centralized it always leads to corruption.

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[diah4]

You got the fool part right. Beck is a big fool.

[soldatna]

Our own selfishness has put us into this fix. When people are not considerate of others than laws are made to keep people safe. I believe the situation we're in right now is immoral problem and and to fix it the government is taking money from the wealthy to give to poor. The government is trying to be Robin Hood. The corporate greed will turn into government intrusions into our lives.

[quizerry]

@soldatna FYI Corporate greed is aligned with Political Greed. The cronies of big business and politicians pass the regulations that benefit them at consumers expense. That is what cracks me up about the Dems going after the rich businesses when they are all getting kick backs. Both parties are bad, of the 535 legislators only a dozen are actually honest and deserve to keep their job to serve the people. I wish people would wake up and vote them all out.

[truesuz]

Brilliant! Thank you!!!

[MarmaladeINFP]

It's funny hearing a Mormon trying to defend real Christianity. Mormonism is about as far away as one can get from the tradition of early Christianity. I must say that it's much more amusing listening to Beck while imagining he is a fictional character.

[powderpoika]

@MarmaladeINFP Obviously you don't understand what entailed early Christianity. You should read the New Testament sometime especially Ephesians 2 where the foundation of the early Church was based on Prophets and Apostles. Consider 1st Corinthians 15 where Paul mentions baptism for the dead. Consider Acts 7 where Stephen sees The Savior standing on the right hand of God which points against a trinitarian view of the Godhead. Paul truly saw a "...falling away from the truth." 1st Thess 13:1.

[MarmaladeINFP]

@powderpoika I have studied the early Christian texts and the scholarship about them. I'm not an expert, but I've looked into it in more detail than probably the average Christian. I follow the debates between scholars and apologists (and some who are both scholars and apologists). There is a lot of disagreement. Anyways, my main point is that Mormonism (and American Christianity in general) isn't traditional Christianity.

[powderpoika]

@MarmaladeINFP I'm no expert either. I think therein lies the problem to so many of the seemingly endless debates is that debate and philosophy will never come to the truth. 2nd Tim 3:7 I feel strongly that we can receive the answers we seek for ourselves from God James 1:5. I applaud your studying, and would urge you to also study the Book of Mormon and see things from the Mormon perspective. Then once you've sincerely studied both sides pray and ask God who is right. I know He'll answer.

[MarmaladeINFP]

@powderpoika BTW I have no problem with Mormonism or any other American version of Christianity. I was raised in New Thought Christianity which arose about the same time as Mormonism. Both were creations of Americans who were seeking an understanding of Christianity when much of Christian tradition was being questioned. My criticism of Beck is simply his holier than thou attitude as if he has a direct line to God and knows what real Christianity is.

[powderpoika]

@powderpoika ( I mean 2nd Thess 2:3)

[powderpoika]

@MarmaladeINFP Obviously you don't understand what entailed early Christianity. You should read the New Testament sometime especially Ephesians 2 where the foundation of the early Church was based on Prophets and Apostles. Consider 1st Corinthians 15 where Paul mentions baptism for the dead. Consider Acts 7 where Stephen sees The Savior standing on the right hand of God which points against a trinitarian view of the Godhead. Paul truly saw a "...falling away from the truth." 1st Thess 13:1.

[soldatna]

@MarmaladeINFP Actually I think you're wrong when you say "Mormonism is about as far away as one can get from the traditions of early Christianity" Mormonism might comes to their beliefs and hereafter and even salvation are off to say the least. But when it comes to the organization of the church they are far closer to the truth than corporate Christianity. Many churches today outsource their responsibilities to other organizations debilitating the spirit of God.

[MarmaladeINFP]

I understand what fundamentalists believe about traditional Christianity. I understand Mormons think their Christianity is the real tradition. Nearly all denominations of Christianity think they're the real tradition. When I speak about Christian tradition I mean the time in early Christianity when there wasn't a single hegemonic Christianity but many different competing Christian groups. Mormonism on the other hand is as hegemonic as Catholicism came to be which isn't how Christianity started.

[Epoyntz06]

You should have made glenn beck greedo

[DebbyDeb]

Beck as Han Solo? I kind of picture him as a different fictional character: Wormtail.

[OhShuShu]

Fantastic ! Thank you Jim Wallis !

[OhShuShu]

Fantastic ! Thank you Jim Wallis !

[OhShuShu]

Fantastic ! Thank you Jim Wallis !

[kmyesq]

Dreadmore & Rosey, none of us are socialist or marxists, we're Christians. You need to go back and read your Bibles more. We're asking government, corporations and individuals to act in biblical fashion. But you're just going to assume that a small business owner like me, an entrepreneur, is a Marxist. So, have a nice day and a Happy Easter. By the way, read Acts about how the early Christians lived and you'll start calling them Marxists too.

[elawter]

I knew it was April Fool's Gold the second I read it. SO much more creative than throwing bricks through windows.

[Rosey0224]

I can't beleive Sojorners put this out! It makes Becks point on every level. Could it be that they are doin' this because now they want to turn it into a joke kinda like sayin' "just kidddin'" w/the hopes that it will go away? Mr Wallis, you've been exposed as a MARXIST along w/your boss OMAOba. Just admit it and lets have an open conversation about it.

[Rosey0224]

I can't beleive Sojorners put this out! It makes Becks point on every level. Could it be that they are doin' this because now they want to turn it into a joke kinda like sayin' "just kidddin'" w/the hopes that it will go away? Mr Wallis, you've been exposed as a MARXIST along w/your boss OMAOba. Just admit it and lets have an open conversation about it.

[Dreadmore]

Jim Wallis preaches an out and out perversion of the gospel, his views must use the sword of coercion in order to be enacted, his view relies on the violence of the state towards the individual and is a total rejection of 2 Cor 9:7 which states "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

[smil1njack]

the bar was perfect backscene

[str8bowlin]

epic indeed

[includao]

darth vader himself would have killed glenn beck