MagneGas: From Sewage to Fuel Tank

[splatproanimations]

problem number 1 you have to have electricity to make it

problem number 2 it's still producing co2

problem number 3 this problem has been solved renewable energy +electrolisis=hydrogen burn hydrogen you get h2o

this is a stupid idea -100 stars ): I

[PersianPaladin]

Well I'm not qualified to discuss this anyway.

The proof will be in the pudding - so-to-speak.

[peakmoment]

But you raise exactly the right questions. It remains to be seen what the NET energy return is -- does it use more energy to produce than it delivers. It appears to be a fascinating use for wastewater. I also haven't seen any lab reports on pollutants the process may produce.

[plaguepuppy]

It also has some advantages over natural gas: it doesn't need conversion, just compression into high pressure tanks. It burns cleaner than natural gas, no CO and less CO2 and actually a little oxygen in the exhaust. Sounds funny but I've seen the actual exhaust reading.

It also makes a better cutting gas than acetylene less slag and doesn't need oxygen. Caterpillar has contracted to buy all they can make in the US.

[PersianPaladin]

This doesn't address a central problem.

What is powering the process? Natural gas can be locally obtained from the ground and ignited to generate electricity. However, the transport of natural gas is very energy intensive because it requires conversion before shipping, special containers and then sending to special re-gassification plants.

MagneGas looks dependent on natural gas or some form of fuel to provide the electrical power for conversion.

There is no simple solution.

[peakmoment]

The process requires a lot of electricity in the conversion stages (he uses an arc-welder to transform the waste water). That electricity must be powered by something, preferably local. But it would require a tremendous amount of electrical storage if not on the grid.

There is no simple solution.

[plaguepuppy]

@PersianPaladin

No, the overall energy balance is positive in terms of fuel output vs. electricity input. What really "powers the process" in terms of providing the excess energy is the organic matter in the waste stream going in, which contains a lot of chemical energy. You could use some of the gas output to run a generator and power the thing and still get a lot of net fuel out.

I think this unit uses a 50 kva welding converter, not an awful lot of electricity for an industrial process.

[xxPowerOnxx]

Sounds great but this is just one option. In my channel I have a collection of videos that explain approximately 8 different s ways of effective and economic energy.

[AidenBrinnian]

Santilli is a Fraud who stole his research from William Richardson. Only after Santilli was hired to verify Richardson work did Magnegas Machinery come on to the scene. The electric arc concept was STOLEN and then twisted to suite his Hydrodinc Theory. I love how they never show the machine fully operational. His machine is a rejected inefficient design of Richardson's. Compare the patent dates and Santillis Employment Record with TTL at the time. You might be shocked

[KarlMalOWN]

There were more than three people researching, patenting, and developing prototypes, for this technology. Santilli developed a much more efficient version of the plasma arc generator and therefore the production method of Magnegas is the one on the rise.

[AidenBrinnian]

Still doesn't change the fact that he stole his research and claimed he invented it. Plasma arc technology in the manner santilli produces is not efficient at all, and he can't even build a simple device that doesn't 1) overheat uncontrollably 2). has a gas that smells worse then a babys butt, and his tanks will prove how clean it is on the inside, 3) builds SOPHISTICATED devices that look like a couple of monkeys put it together.

He never post a machine running and he doesn't produced numbers

[dorro1971]

can anyone say GEET ?

[itisphoto]

He never really answered the question of how much electrical energy generates how much gas (BTU to BTU). This woman is the wrong kind of person for this interview. Perhaps the station was being politically correct; I'm not sure.

[peakmoment]

Ron replied privately that 100KWh produces 1600 std cu ft of liquid in 1 hour, equivalent to 8 gallons of gasoline energy (13KWH per gallon). As interviewer, this was one of my early conversations; I think I'm a bit better at asking technical questions since. There were no political or business agendas.

[phillipah7]

You can use the same fuel to run this amall plant. It can run itself ,suppled by itself.

[samoht1977]

Now find a way to unplug it from mains (by using solar, for example) and there you go! remember: there's no over-unity: just learn to exploit the largest fusion reactor that man could put his hands on: it is called "S.U.N." (Super Ultra Natural) ;)

[jclabart]

great job. I wish you a long life, hoping that the oil freaks keep there head hunters away from you. thank for your contribution to a better world.

[fdzwes]

Very well done show! Many Many questions answered. You have put the internet to its best possible use. What a wonderful country with wonderful people!

[warchild81]

This man is a genius I would like to discuss with him about Fusion

[SupYannis]

its nice to see tho 30 years after these things being materialized and infrastructure can allow individuals -afford do their own experiments if they care to. seems to me we harneshed combustion engines couse when they were presented to us we accepted the amount of power produced to our needs, nowdays my guess is needs are more in awarness of what it is that we use to serve our needs, seems air or hydrogen transportation serve

[SupYannis]

i read once LA GRANDE AVENTURE DE L'ESPACE (COPYRIGHT BY ROMBALDI,PARIS) it means the big adventure of space first published around 70's, there they mentioned about fuel injection through arcs , very powerfull method of propultion,

[roncole4]

The energy required for the test unit shown is 21 kwh. Fuel output for this unit is one gallon-gas-equivalent/hr.If the local electricity cost is 10 cents per kwh, the fuel cost is 21 (kwh) X $.10 = $2.10/gal-gas-equiv. The ratio for the industrial units is 150kwh for 10 gge or 150kwh X $.10 = $15 for 10 gge = $1.50/gal This wouldn't include delivery costs & retail markup but it also

factor in the the income received from waste disposal.

Ron Cole

[segarza]

Cool process, but why go thru all that effort to produce this fuel from renewable electricity when you could just use the electricity directly, and without the hydrocarbons? Can't the waste water just be run thru an bio-digester to produce methane?

[tomterahedrob]

indeed iwas confused.How can Ifind more about this?seems to good to be true or maybe its super inefficient

[madjimms]

well since it only needs water (ant i assume  basic maintenence, possible additives?) you could make this in the ocean or large lake with some wind power/a wave generator thingy i saw on PBS that uses waves...

[tomterahedrob]

this has been done in India for decades.

[peakmoment]

Actually, I think you may be confusing this with biogas digesters, which have been used in India and elsewhere to make methane gas--an excellent low-tech process. MagneGas requires a large input of electricity (via the arc welder in the demo), which is a process developed only in the last few decades.

[adzug]

how can i get in touch with cole or a representative from his company?

[adzug]

how much energy is required to complete the process of making the gas? what is the amount of energy put into the manufacturing as opposed to the output of energy? shouldnt there be tons of financial investors if this is a viable means of supplying america with a new energy source?

[PlugInPrius]

I really hope this man and or his technology succeeds! Very Very Soon!!!