60% of Americans consider travelling abroad for healthcare due to cost.
Up to 5% actually will.
The corresponding figure for the UK is 0.1%, the vast majority of which are for non-NHS treatments, including dentistry, cosmetic surgery and fertility treatment.
"Socialised medicine" (as Americans call it) is the best.
Same thing here. Everyone have public health care but also some people with more serious health issues have supplement private insurance and it works rather well
The best Health Care System has maximum Freedom of Choice for the people. In where and from whom they get their Health Insurance and Health Care from. A system with Maximize Competition from both private and public thats well regulated.
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@jtrenoweth Same deal here in the UK. I have free national health care but i also buy private health care, not because the free health care isn't good enough, it's because i have a medical condition that needs constant check ups and i can afford to not tax the free health care system.
@hughes7520 the largest problem with most government health care systems is the profit margin. The united states still leads in the most money allocated towards medical research out of any industrialized nation. While I think thr french system has implemented the use of current technology in an effective plan (which is a lot coming from me a libertarian who'd rather government stay out of peoples lives) the question remains
where do you fund it? Taxes? First off then you need new infrastructure, which slows down WHEN programs will get funding (many find researchers private sector funding easier and more reliable then our government), and then how much? Tax too much and you starve the economy, tax too little and then there is not enough funding going around when their may be. One of the great things about the business run sector, is it naturally balances out to the maximum
@FallenAquila You can choose between having cheap almost free current care, and slow the advancement of medical science down to a trickle, or you can have high costs and high research. Even the French system is hurt cost wise with a 14billion deficit in it's program, so to make it work properly, it can not be as cheap as an average of ~3K a person (compared to our ~8K something average)
If we eliminate insurance companies from health care prices will GO WAY DOWN and we can offer a non profit pool for all Americans to be a part of ..... THEN no one is turned away and doctors and hospitals can get paid well but get paid a fair amount..... END OF STORY.....
this is just silly the frist option is the best by far it alows for every one to get health care while if the stckure it like germany it also allows for pritive insureance... it creates a stafty net... so if the rich man whos comperany just let him go and his kids get sick he can still get health care...
I'm in Canada and every year the government reduces health services while expanding costs. In Ontario, we get "free" healthcare as long as we pay an 800.00 annual fee on top of all the taxes we pay. There are towns all over Canada that don't have doctors, hospitals are closing and consolidating, minor services are being dropped, some emergency wards in Toronto have 1 doctor on the late shift, because the government can't afford it. The rich go to the US. This is the model you want????
@diamondknife ye nice lie i live in Ottawa and everywhere i freaking go i see a apple tree center with good waiting lines Canada has one of the best health care services
@123zero123abc123 hmmmm....isn't that where all our politicians are? You may have been lucky but that doesn't negate the facts as I have stated them. Read any Canadian newspaper. . . there is lots of reporting on the massive problems we have not to mention how we're going to service an aging population.
''i live in Ottawa and everywhere i freaking go i see a apple tree center with good waiting lines ''
Not sure if ur being sarcastic, but in any big city such as DC, homeless flock to the hospitals. They get there at 9pm. Say they have a hang nail or something. Get seen around 3am. & get thrown out around 5am!
Thus, they have an entire night of warm shelter, rest rooms, TV, etc. for free b/c it takes that long to get seen in city hospitals!!
Why are you Americans so scared of having your own NHS (free health care)? Or is that just the upper/middle class complaining I am seeing on T.V. who would rather look after themselves and pay for themselves?
"It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it."
the private insurance companies wont be able to compete with public option because the government runs the public option with unlimited capital, running a deficit like france does
no public option! that is unfair competition because they dont have to turn A Profit! that would just drive us into single payer because the ins. companies couldnt compete....no way.
repeal Obamacare anyway though even though it doesnt have a public option its still socialism and i dont like it
That's too bad if you don't like the idea of a public option, some of us Americans favor a public option.
If you and I were shopping for food, and I decided to buy the generic products that's my choice, the same choice you have in buying name brand products.
Look, don't think you speak on behalf of All Americans because you don't.
If you'd rather support Private Insurance lobbyists than I won't stop you, but don't expect me to support them as well. Lets agree to disagree.
Yeah, it doesn't have to make it profit. It can go crazy broke, pushing the deficit up into the trillions in a way that no private company can. That's not called "competition". That's annihilation.
If you think you're not going to make up in taxes what you're going to save in government help, you're crazy. The money you're going to save by taking away insurance company profits is going to be more than made up for in the mess the government makes of all of this.
You pay more now for health care you don't get, than any industrialized country with universal coverage. Think about it, you pay into Medicare. What has happened to Medicare is that old people wait until they go on Medicare to fix things they couldn't fix when they weren't on Medicare. Something that would have cost $1,000 at age 30, then ends up costing tax payers $100,000 through Medicare. Since America doesn't let people die, you pay for emergency care without getting any of it yourself.
i dont know if you read your comments... especially that this is from along time ago, but what are your exact arguments with the single payer, you didnt really explain
So the democrats thought everyone should own their own housing and we end up with a sub prime mess. They though we should have paid government retirement and now we have Social Security which is a mess. And we should have health care for seniors, and Medicare is also going broke. Maybe they can fix some of their past messes before going on to health care.
Well the idea of Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid was a good one.. The application, not so great. People do not understand that Social Security is not your income during retirement, it is supposed to be supplemental, meaning you are responsible for the bulk of your own retirement income.
I've been in Spain and their healthcare is quite efficient from what I have seen first hand, ranked 7. Lines are no different than in the US. In fact my gf was able to see her doctor in minutes.
One US doctor I have seen the wait can be over 1 hour. Then waiting another hour in the room .
If a socialized healthcare will cost more then how much are we paying already for not even getting full treatment? nothing. ppl are dying. Healthcare on a state by state not national would be the best route.
Investigate all the systems in the world, incorporate the best of the best. Make the system flexible enough to change. One thing for certain. Doctor's pay will go down. Doctors may no longer be the elite of the elite. So what. Educate more doctors. Do not limit or control the amount of graduates capable of being doctors, or nurses or whatever. Make them commonplace.
The private healthcare system is RUTHLESS! They are even capable of inventing "health problems" or presenting them as more serious than they really are in order to get you on the operating table and their hands in your pocket! THAT'S THE PLAIN TRUTH! GO CENK, GO!
Everyone keeps mentioning the European health care model, but seldom mention the real cost. At the moment (in Germany, with medium income), I'm paying roughly 5700€ ($8,300) each year for health care related taxes, insurance, and so on. I've paid a similar amount for years even though I've needed nothing beyond basic checkups (not covered by my insurance). Before you decide on an option, make sure to find out what the real costs will be.
i am american living in the UK...America already has socialized healthcare...it is just run inefficiently....you see, if you live in America...but don't have healthcare...when you get sick..you go to the emergency and the taxpayers pick up the bill...which is added to your taxes...and your premiums...there is no way around it...its called the Tragedy of the Commons....because we don't let people die in the street...many people have no incentive to get hc until they get sick...meanwhile everybody
@stewartx5 Americans already pay that, plus more. The difference is that Americans don't get anything back. Americans spend more tax money on health care than any other industrialized nation on earth, because it's illegal (as it should) to refuse people life saving treatment, and because Medicare costs stack up because people wait to get treated until they are eligible for Medicare. Something that could have been treated for $1,000 at age 30, will cost $100,000 at age 70 if untreated.
I'm conservative, but I'd consider a gov't insurance program. The key is to make sure market forces are in place to keep costs of medical services in check. Make people pay a % on a REGRESSIVE scale that wouldn't even begin until $100.
AND make the prices doctors charge available on a public website or 800 number, so that ppl can shop.
I'm against gov't moves on the private sector, but I hate ins. co's. The other thing to do is tort reform, cuz malpractice drives up doctor's prices.
malpractice insurance is actually a very very small component of the cost....
the cost in driven by the fact that none of the major players have an incentive to keep the cost down..
1) The Consumer....nope..they want as much as they can get
2) Doctors....nope..the want salaries higher than doctors anywhere else in the world and lobby for immigration laws which keep foreign doctors out of the country
3) Big Pharma...of course that is obvious...profits
complicated...as they should have an incentive to control cost...but they don't have leverage over Big Pharma....they don't have leverage on doctors or hospitals because consumers want the best...so they generate thier profits via premiums, refusing claims...and only selecting low risk people....
finally, the hospitals and industry have no incentive in investing in preventive care...you don't make any money by keep people healthy...your profit comes from treating them once they are sick
Why are the republicans so interested in going the way of the private insurance companies?
They had the opportunity to cover the uninsured thereby bringing more income to their copmanies, they did nothing about it. It proves to me that the insurance copanies hve/had no interest in the uninsured.
the republicnas ought to be ashamed for not supporting the public option.
actually the reason so many european countries have social medicine is because (free) and universal health care is seen as a basic human right......kinda along with healthy food, clean air and drinking water. I tend to agree with them. Yes I understand very high income and goods and services taxes are necessary to cover costs.
I agree. In the US, a cancer diagnosis, spinal tumor etc is for many people a death sentence. Spinal surgery alone can cost over a million dollars, and not every middle class family can even afford a plan that covers that much. If your cap is $250,000 and you have to get surgery for $500,000, you have to sell your house, car and belongings to even survive. Where is the justice or even freedom in that?
the past few years the post office has jacked up the price of stamps. they are 6 billion in the hole this year. why are they still in business? cuz it's the public option. what happens when your public health insurance can't pay for itself? they're gonna charge someone... the public.
If anyone wants to see how good the Canadian health care system is, see YouTube video watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw Crowder takes a video camera to the clinics and hospitals to find out what it is like to get health care in Canada. What a nightmare! Please see the video so you can learn for yourself. Healhcare is not just about the money. We want good healthcare, not long waits like in Canada.
You're going to have long waits in the emergency room no matter what kind of health care system you have. We don't have the hospital facility infrastructure to support our population.
In the US, it is not uncommon to wait a couple of hours to be seen. But in the Crowder video people were waiting 9-10 hours when they had a broken bone. In the US we have 34 CT Scanning machines for every million population. In Canada they have 8 for every million people. Just go through the stats. There is a push to privatize healthcare in Canada right now.
And just to remind you, Crowder bases all of his assumptions and criticisms of Canadian health care on his experiences in the Quebecois system.
Quebec's health care system is a very poor reflection of Canadian health care. In Vancouver or Toronto, I can literally thumb through a list of walk-in clinics if I need to see a doctor, choose the location that is most convenient for me, and simply show up at the clinic to see a doctor, despite having no regular family doctor of my own.
Oh, I agree with you. My problem is that if the Public Option ends up going into effect, we won't have the facilities or staff to treat that many people. To actually make a go at this, it'll take some major $ to bring us up to the level we need to be in order to treat that many people. We have a sever shortage of nurses, and most nursing schools have massive waiting lists. Is the administration prepared to address that problem?
if our healthcare is worse, why do we live longer? i have lived in both the US and Canada, i'm guessing you haven't lived in both countries so you're information is flawed.
Canada's life expectancy is 78.3 years for males, 82.9 for females. Life expectancy in the US is 75.6 for males and 80.8 for females. We rank one slot behind Cuba.
yeah...but we can afford to buy more shit during those 2 less years !!! [lol] Who wants to live a few years longer if it aint gonna be as fun? I mean...this is the only country where people have $500 car payments and say they cant afford health insurance. [double lol]
The public option is not the same as single payer. But Obama plans to move from public option to single payer quickly. I know Obama has denied this, but he lies. See watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk If anyone wants to see how good the Canadian health care system is, see watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw Crowder takes a video camera to the clinics and hospitals to find out what it is like to get health care in Canada. What a nightmare! Please see the video so you can learn for yourself.
Long waits and poor care? That's how the Canadian health care system is portrayed in American media. In real life, Canada has better health care outcomes than the United States, and pays FAR less for its health care.
It is not just how it is portrayed. In fact, most news media portray Canadian healthcare as wonderful, but the facts don't bear that out. A much higher percentage of people in the US are very happy with healthcare than in Canada. See the YouTube video "What if Government Ran Healthcare?" Pretty funny stuff. Plus it has some great statistics at the bottom of the screen.
"A much higher percentage of people in the US are very happy with healthcare than in Canada."
This is not true. Canadians are, on average, more satisfied with their health care system than Americans are. Also, the government doesn't "run healthcare" in Canada as you suggested. Health care is FUNDED publicly but it is DELIVERED privately in Canada.
So is there some kind of centralized administration that runs patient care in Canada? Or is it done on a smaller, localized level? Do you have any problems with patients being denied any type of care due to budgetary considerations? And also, is your health care system running at any kind of deficit?
Healthcare in Canada is delivered by institutations, such as hospitals and clinics, that are privately administered. However, the funding that they receive is from the government, and therefore public.
Care is given to patients on the basis of their need. Budgetary considerations do influence certain types of care. There are protocols that physicians follow to avoid unnecessarirly high costs.
For example, certain very expensive drugs are supposed to be used as second line agents if a less expensive, and equally effective medication was already tried or not tolerated by the patient. However, it is rare for a patient to actually be denied care due to cost in situations like this.
In fact, a study donce in the last decade actually found that American doctors feel more budgetary interference in their clinical decisions than Canadian doctors do.
This debunks the popularly voiced myth that Canadian doctors' medical decisions are scrutinized by the government. American health care institutions are more driven by profit, so it is no surprise that these institutions interfere more to cut their costs.
As for your question about a deficit, I don't know the answer.
TYT is so funny,do they really think anyone takes them serious,TYT must of been a telemarketing company that went bust from lying to people. oh no did I just buy a magazine
This was the best explanation I've thus heard of the health care proposals. Better yet, no coverage of angry mobs and raucous town hall meetings. Just the facts, and clarity regarding his own personal preferences.
we dont need health care reform as much as we need good paying jobs for the people so they can afford health care.lot of people working 3 min wage jobs part time with no health care.we need to quit shipping our jobs to china and start paying the people enough they can live!!!just look at the mess the govt has made of social security and worker comp.what u want to have a attorney just to get health care too?
bo stinks and so do his bigger goverment ideas.we need to vote all these jokers out.
why not just do it the swiss way they completely private
o btw were not the only industrial nation that isnt socialized healthcare
the swiss are completely private, Singapore is mostly private with a basic public option, as i say basic public option it covers all basic needs BASIC zogm and it isnt single payer.
most people are on private in Singapore because the private gives you access to the private hospitals/doctors and it covers more than the basic public
You won't here the dems breath a word of truth because power is the cure. They want to control the masses, Teddy Roosevelt first proposed national health insurance in 1912, FDR proposed it again in the 1930s. Harry Truman proposed it again in the 1940s. They've been waiting along time for this progressive power holy grail issue, healthcare is the way to pure Socialism, Reagan was warning of this as far back as the 60s. Oh, let's not forget Hillarycare.
People do want healthcare reform but not Obama's plan. Obama and the Democrats are making a big mistake. Perhaps they do not remember when the Clintons tried to take over healthcare in 1993 and the Republicans took over Congress in 1994. According to Quinnipiac University poll, by a 72-21 margin voters do not believe Obama will keep his promise to reform healthcare without adding to the deficit. By 57-37 margin, voters think healthcare reform should be scrapped if it will add to the deficit.
Obamas healthcare plan is making people very angry! It is destroying the Democrat party. According to Rasmussen Reports, in a generic poll Republicans beat Democrats 43% to 38%. Republicans will probably take over Congress in 2010. Google Rasmussen Reports Generic Congressional Ballot and see for yourself. This is a huge turnaround for Republicans. People are fighting mad. And it is not just the Republicans either.
Right, we independants are even madder! And we decide the elections!
If the libs came to us and offered something like "less immigration, stop the illegals at the border, and no more anchor babies"...we might of allowed healthcare to get through. It is called give and take. Give us something we want, and we do the same. The immigration issue is our hottest issue. But no, the dems dont want that...they want it all! They will get nothing.
Ha, it DOES cover illegals...let me tell you how. It is a loophole in the bill...
The bill says that the new healthcare plan (public option) does not cover non-citizens. But the loophole is that many states/cities are "sactuarey" and will not ASK if the citizen is really a citizen, and will not require birth certificates to prove it! There was an amendment that requires that everyone is asked to produce proof of citizenship, but that admendent was kicked out! Hmm, wonder why?
It is kind of amazing some "people" think health costs are like buying a car or any other commercial proposition (eg: all the insurance co-sponsored posts on Youtube by varying "people"). You can plan to buy a car or a house: it's your own responsibility and your money allocation--but you can't plan a medical affliction. Not the same. I simply note one anti-health plan person on Ytube had her two fave videos as a) a revolver shooting into a tank, and b) a clip of Milton F'man on "Greed". True!!
"You can plan to buy a car or a house: it's your own responsibility and your money allocation--but you can't plan a medical affliction. Not the same."
Big difference..... Getting sick is not achieving shelter.... or providing yourself with transportation.... WHEN you get sick you simply want to get better so you can be productive again..... So I ask the question.... WHY is getting sick so expensive? Why should a surgery and a night in the hospital cost 100,000 dollars ?... WHY are insurance companies involved in health care when there first priority is avoiding sick people ? Eliminate insurance companies from health care!!!
@zzyzx0788 Well, good point but can easily be defeated. How about the smoking people? almost all of them know in advance that smoking causes lung cancer. Would you treat them for free if they have this disease?
@hopes26 Well, yea, because its cancer. You could easily make the same the same argument with eating fast food, eating food with alot of preservatives, or drinking. In fact, I could make the argument that getting behind the wheel of a car puts you in risk of getting into an accident, happens to thousands everyday. But not everyone that smokes gets cancer, not everyone that drives gets in an accident. Regardless none of that should exclude you from having access to healthcare
You can plan to buy a car or a house: it's your own responsibility and your money allocation--but you can't plan a medical affliction. Not the same."
There is a Private option but all it means is you will be in a non public hospital and you get things quicker but NHS works out really well now am not saying its perfect waiting times for surgery use to be really long time but it has iproved alot. So why would americans say no the the Public option it seems to me that Americans are more interested there tax going up then giving 47 million people healthcare???
Americans are so stupid it's incomprehensible to put into words how their stupidty made them the most powerful country in the world. Ok my view about health care.
Am in London and we have something called NHS national health service, and little bit of tax get's taken from our wages to pay for everyone's healthcare, Simple right and yes every one gets health care from the drug addict to the old man deeing hip replacement. we pay the first £7 for medication cont....
Corporate America and the Republicans don't want you to have a choice. They want to make all the decisions for you so they can maximize their profits.
Private Insurance hates competition? They compete with each other for clients on a daily basis. A government system doesn't provide competition... not by any normal definition of the term. When the government can dictate what private insurance companies have to offer in their plans, don't have to make a profit, will have a bloated beauracracy running the system... it is NOT COMPETION.
Obama's stated goal .... a single payer government system that may take 10 to 15 years to implement.
The big insurance companies don't want competition? Is this guy being serious?
Why would they not want fair competition which drives down costs and maximizes profit? I thought they were selfish greedy bastards? Even his own logic is inconsistent.
There is a difference (if you can handle it) between fair and unfair competition, i.e Govt HC would mandate costs and price, so it can be made artificially cheaper at the taxpayers expense drawing down the insurance pool for the privates.
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If we get a nationalized health care system, people will remember who foisted this disaster on us and Obama will go down in history as the most hated President.
Spain, where I now live, has a great health care system. I pay 50 Euros a month for private insurance with no deductible. For little things I use my private plan cuz it´s more convenient. If something serious happens I go to the public system for coverage. My payments are low cuz the private companies don´t have to cover big expenses. Everybody wins. I try to explain how the US system works and Spaniards think Americans are crazy.
62% of bankruptcies are because of out standing health care cost. Imagine if we got everyone health care and it was a single payer system. you pay little to no money for your bills. We would have a lot less bankruptcies. Isn't that enough reason?
Reps and corp jerks: The Obama plan hopes to offer a public option, it's called competition, the thing Republicans claim to support. It's what you have in a truly free market, you have choices, and if the people choose the public option the private Insurance companies will have to lower their prices to compete, or they go out of business. That's called a free market: what part of that do you not understand?
ok so that is your opinion, and you are entitiled to it... but please defend it! you come out and say liberals don't have a clue, and we're all obama sheep, why? how about the video above? do you disagree? why do you think the public option is wrong? if anything it is YOU who is the brainwashed sheep because you're blindly spreading hate without a fucking clue as to why you should hate
ajack: The Obama plan hopes to offer a public option, it's called competition, the thing Republicans claim to support. It's what you have in a truly free market, you have choices, and if the people choose the public option the private Insurance companies will have to lower their prices to compete, or they go out of business. That's called a free market: what part of that do you not understand?
We need a healthcare system that does not cause people to go bankrupt just for life saving care. Many bankruptcy cases are the result of enormous healthcare cost.
If you love the system as it is: Don't Get Seriously ill; And whatever you do, Don't Get Sick AND Lose Your Job. When you see the bill, you might pass-out!
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odumba is a socialist and just wants to be in charge of population control,kill the elderly,because they are of no further use and kill babies on demand,destroy the country and bankrupt us ,screw odumba plus he wants us to cover 15-20 millions of illigal aliens, go back to your country kenya and spread your socialism,they adore you there,we hate your ass here!!
this guy is abolutely insane. dude, stop watching the news and read a history book... or one on economics. when the health care industry is all about it and you blame them for the problem there's gotta be something to it. How about the insurance companies paying millions for lobbyists to go to washington arguing their stake in the bill. 50 million paid in full new customers. Walmart healthcare... great idea morons. Sorry Will Ferrell, no more advances medicine, you can't live to be 145
oh i should add it is not an MRI machine from 80s :) there is one open MRI for clostrophobic patients and another closed one which is relatively older. but the high standards set by the Ministry of Health are met perfectly. which means health care can be alot more efficient than it is in US!
and in the process they came to the conclusion that they were overpaying the private health providers !!!:)))) hahahahah 120-150 dollar for an MRI!!! overpaying :))) so now it is about 60 dollars..
of course it became really hard for small-mid scale healthcare providers to afford that so they started charging patients an extra 20 dollar and even that became an issue and the government was trying to ban that extra charge just recently.. so guys fight for your health insurance! you deserve that
Let me give you guys an example from a country which some would call "developing" or maybe some might even call "3rd world".. Turkey.
My father runs a private hospital in Turkey and a couple of years ago we could charge 120 to 150 dollar for an MRI scan! yes this is real and read the rest, gets even better.
The system changed and instead of having 3 different public health insurance organization now they have only one .. continues in the next message..
Remember - all the fear floating around out there over this is all fake. The GOP cry like Chicken Little when Day light Savings ends. They're greedy selfish pigs so ignore them.
If we do get the optional public health plan then not only would the cost go down for individuals willing to pay, but they would probably continue to lower as even corporations would get on the band wagon. If I ran a small business one of my benefits would be that I would pay for a nice portion of my employees public healthcare. In the end the private insurances just know they are in hot water because they'd have to switch to being supplementary health plans and that doesn't make big profits.
Please remember that while our overall health care ranks 37Th in the world, we do have some of the best individual hospitals in the world ( IE mayo). I would hate to see places like that disappear or be forced to compromise there care.
And in this seemingly redemptive offering, Obama may be promising what only God can actually deliver, in the form of yet another, more eloquent, version of the same old utopian dream that started with Rousseau and Marx.
05:55 Cenk says "The Republican party has become , just a long arm of lobbyists. It's just a way that lobbyists are IN the gov't, right"
Very introspective of him to say that however this is true also of the democratic party. Make no illusions there is but one political party in this country the "Business party". The Republicans and Democrats are but two factions of the same party. This is a one party country. Sure they are two sides, but two sides of the same coin. Illusion of choice.
The best way to fix health care is get the Gov out of it other then them helping to lower the cost. Everybody should have to pay 25 to 50 a month for health care insurance and medical care needs to cuts the what they charge by half. And no more lawsuits. If a doc kills someone the police and investage to see if its criminal
You know that's interesting what you say about the police. Wouldn't that drive our taxes up but just for another area? However, it sounds like it'd create more jobs and might actually be a pretty good option. My question then is what about survivor compensation or compensation to the person who is loosing money because the doc made a mistake that crippled them or gave them a much longer hospital stay?
Zeeroyuy middle class people's taxes wont go up at all.. but people who make 250k or more there will go up little but.. but that little bit of tax increase alone can sustain single payer or what people call it public option.. and if doctor made a mistake and that mistake made u cripple then u can actually sue the doctor for alot of money.
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60% of Americans consider travelling abroad for healthcare due to cost.
Up to 5% actually will.
The corresponding figure for the UK is 0.1%, the vast majority of which are for non-NHS treatments, including dentistry, cosmetic surgery and fertility treatment.
"Socialised medicine" (as Americans call it) is the best.
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
Its called move to Canada. Trust me, its GREAT.
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Same thing here. Everyone have public health care but also some people with more serious health issues have supplement private insurance and it works rather well
sinisamicic1983 6 months ago
Best argument I've heard yet for trying the reasonable center, at least for the time being! Pity that's not what we ended up with!
Keep on telling the truth, Cenk and TYT gang!
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BulletProofHumor 8 months ago
The best Health Care System has maximum Freedom of Choice for the people. In where and from whom they get their Health Insurance and Health Care from. A system with Maximize Competition from both private and public thats well regulated.
FRSFreeState 8 months ago
I can't wait til my income tax goes to 50%
defgill 10 months ago
@defgill In Britain we have universal healthcare.
Granted, really high earners pay 50% income tax.
But average earners pay almost exactly the same amount of income tax as people in America.
It's called fairness.
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
GOOD JIMMY THEN THEY FINALLY ARE GETTING SOME SENSE
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in Australia as a person you get health care and the government still has private healthcare but everyone gets public
jtrenoweth 1 year ago
@jtrenoweth Same deal here in the UK. I have free national health care but i also buy private health care, not because the free health care isn't good enough, it's because i have a medical condition that needs constant check ups and i can afford to not tax the free health care system.
hughes7520 1 year ago
@hughes7520 the largest problem with most government health care systems is the profit margin. The united states still leads in the most money allocated towards medical research out of any industrialized nation. While I think thr french system has implemented the use of current technology in an effective plan (which is a lot coming from me a libertarian who'd rather government stay out of peoples lives) the question remains
FallenAquila 1 year ago
where do you fund it? Taxes? First off then you need new infrastructure, which slows down WHEN programs will get funding (many find researchers private sector funding easier and more reliable then our government), and then how much? Tax too much and you starve the economy, tax too little and then there is not enough funding going around when their may be. One of the great things about the business run sector, is it naturally balances out to the maximum
FallenAquila 1 year ago
@FallenAquila You can choose between having cheap almost free current care, and slow the advancement of medical science down to a trickle, or you can have high costs and high research. Even the French system is hurt cost wise with a 14billion deficit in it's program, so to make it work properly, it can not be as cheap as an average of ~3K a person (compared to our ~8K something average)
FallenAquila 1 year ago
@FallenAquila no socialism
TheHAMMER77777 1 year ago
Not sure who the 25 inhumane morons who r 4 the evil ins. companies getting as rich as possible on the illness of humans, but l am totally for either:
1. Govt run health care.
or
2. The public option. If one exists, I'd definitely choose the public option!!
Sogwa 1 year ago
If we eliminate insurance companies from health care prices will GO WAY DOWN and we can offer a non profit pool for all Americans to be a part of ..... THEN no one is turned away and doctors and hospitals can get paid well but get paid a fair amount..... END OF STORY.....
funkyflights 1 year ago
this is just silly the frist option is the best by far it alows for every one to get health care while if the stckure it like germany it also allows for pritive insureance... it creates a stafty net... so if the rich man whos comperany just let him go and his kids get sick he can still get health care...
SuperLolpants 1 year ago
I'm in Canada and every year the government reduces health services while expanding costs. In Ontario, we get "free" healthcare as long as we pay an 800.00 annual fee on top of all the taxes we pay. There are towns all over Canada that don't have doctors, hospitals are closing and consolidating, minor services are being dropped, some emergency wards in Toronto have 1 doctor on the late shift, because the government can't afford it. The rich go to the US. This is the model you want????
diamondknife 1 year ago
@diamondknife ye nice lie i live in Ottawa and everywhere i freaking go i see a apple tree center with good waiting lines Canada has one of the best health care services
123zero123abc123 1 year ago
@123zero123abc123 hmmmm....isn't that where all our politicians are? You may have been lucky but that doesn't negate the facts as I have stated them. Read any Canadian newspaper. . . there is lots of reporting on the massive problems we have not to mention how we're going to service an aging population.
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@123zero123abc123
''i live in Ottawa and everywhere i freaking go i see a apple tree center with good waiting lines ''
Not sure if ur being sarcastic, but in any big city such as DC, homeless flock to the hospitals. They get there at 9pm. Say they have a hang nail or something. Get seen around 3am. & get thrown out around 5am!
Thus, they have an entire night of warm shelter, rest rooms, TV, etc. for free b/c it takes that long to get seen in city hospitals!!
Sogwa 1 year ago
Why are you Americans so scared of having your own NHS (free health care)? Or is that just the upper/middle class complaining I am seeing on T.V. who would rather look after themselves and pay for themselves?
grobo11 1 year ago
"It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it."
Thomas Sowell
Hydra773 1 year ago
the private insurance companies wont be able to compete with public option because the government runs the public option with unlimited capital, running a deficit like france does
wanderingdesolate 1 year ago
@wanderingdesolate
"running a deficit like france does "
France is rated AAA unlike so many country in the World
gipcambero 1 year ago
@gipcambero
Yeah but we don't want America to have a deficit, as you know Reagan, Bush and Bush all ran balanced budgets.
[/sarcasm]
17R3W 1 year ago
"French Healthcare is the best" Bill Maher
gipcambero 2 years ago 18
@gipcambero And thats why leaders come to the USA for serious illness. Makes sense to me?
mgallant01 1 year ago
@mgallant01
That's exactly the problem, only leaders can afford it
gipcambero 1 year ago
everyone can afford it.
hint0122 1 year ago
@gipcambero fuck the French...no socialism!!!!!!
TheHAMMER77777 1 year ago
@TheHAMMER77777 in the election in France in 2007, the socialist candidate lost.
JImmy4336 1 year ago
no public option! that is unfair competition because they dont have to turn A Profit! that would just drive us into single payer because the ins. companies couldnt compete....no way.
repeal Obamacare anyway though even though it doesnt have a public option its still socialism and i dont like it
TheHAMMER77777 1 year ago
@TheHAMMER77777
That's too bad if you don't like the idea of a public option, some of us Americans favor a public option.
If you and I were shopping for food, and I decided to buy the generic products that's my choice, the same choice you have in buying name brand products.
Look, don't think you speak on behalf of All Americans because you don't.
If you'd rather support Private Insurance lobbyists than I won't stop you, but don't expect me to support them as well. Lets agree to disagree.
pluto4847 1 year ago
this guy is an idiot. both parties cater to lobiests
TheHAMMER77777 1 year ago
the young turks blow obama
MME344 2 years ago
Yeah, it doesn't have to make it profit. It can go crazy broke, pushing the deficit up into the trillions in a way that no private company can. That's not called "competition". That's annihilation.
If you think you're not going to make up in taxes what you're going to save in government help, you're crazy. The money you're going to save by taking away insurance company profits is going to be more than made up for in the mess the government makes of all of this.
voightkampf 2 years ago
You pay more now for health care you don't get, than any industrialized country with universal coverage. Think about it, you pay into Medicare. What has happened to Medicare is that old people wait until they go on Medicare to fix things they couldn't fix when they weren't on Medicare. Something that would have cost $1,000 at age 30, then ends up costing tax payers $100,000 through Medicare. Since America doesn't let people die, you pay for emergency care without getting any of it yourself.
jwh30385 2 years ago
i dont know if you read your comments... especially that this is from along time ago, but what are your exact arguments with the single payer, you didnt really explain
sitruc3000 2 years ago
So the democrats thought everyone should own their own housing and we end up with a sub prime mess. They though we should have paid government retirement and now we have Social Security which is a mess. And we should have health care for seniors, and Medicare is also going broke. Maybe they can fix some of their past messes before going on to health care.
bigoljameo 2 years ago
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cenq is an armenian holocaust denier and loves irael, u and fox news should love him.
abdighazi 2 years ago
@abdighazi
how do you know this?
i want to know.
tell me your source of where he says he denies the armenian genocide (not holocaust)
yonner490 2 years ago
Well the idea of Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid was a good one.. The application, not so great. People do not understand that Social Security is not your income during retirement, it is supposed to be supplemental, meaning you are responsible for the bulk of your own retirement income.
SAVSTATENIG 2 years ago
I've been in Spain and their healthcare is quite efficient from what I have seen first hand, ranked 7. Lines are no different than in the US. In fact my gf was able to see her doctor in minutes.
One US doctor I have seen the wait can be over 1 hour. Then waiting another hour in the room .
If a socialized healthcare will cost more then how much are we paying already for not even getting full treatment? nothing. ppl are dying. Healthcare on a state by state not national would be the best route.
junk11111111 2 years ago 2
Investigate all the systems in the world, incorporate the best of the best. Make the system flexible enough to change. One thing for certain. Doctor's pay will go down. Doctors may no longer be the elite of the elite. So what. Educate more doctors. Do not limit or control the amount of graduates capable of being doctors, or nurses or whatever. Make them commonplace.
JohnnyRock2000 2 years ago 5
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL.
missteenusa179 2 years ago 2
The private healthcare system is RUTHLESS! They are even capable of inventing "health problems" or presenting them as more serious than they really are in order to get you on the operating table and their hands in your pocket! THAT'S THE PLAIN TRUTH! GO CENK, GO!
SpiritoGreco1 2 years ago 2
Everyone keeps mentioning the European health care model, but seldom mention the real cost. At the moment (in Germany, with medium income), I'm paying roughly 5700€ ($8,300) each year for health care related taxes, insurance, and so on. I've paid a similar amount for years even though I've needed nothing beyond basic checkups (not covered by my insurance). Before you decide on an option, make sure to find out what the real costs will be.
stewartx5 2 years ago
i am american living in the UK...America already has socialized healthcare...it is just run inefficiently....you see, if you live in America...but don't have healthcare...when you get sick..you go to the emergency and the taxpayers pick up the bill...which is added to your taxes...and your premiums...there is no way around it...its called the Tragedy of the Commons....because we don't let people die in the street...many people have no incentive to get hc until they get sick...meanwhile everybody
dundura123 2 years ago 2
pays for it
dundura123 2 years ago
@stewartx5 Americans already pay that, plus more. The difference is that Americans don't get anything back. Americans spend more tax money on health care than any other industrialized nation on earth, because it's illegal (as it should) to refuse people life saving treatment, and because Medicare costs stack up because people wait to get treated until they are eligible for Medicare. Something that could have been treated for $1,000 at age 30, will cost $100,000 at age 70 if untreated.
jwh30385 2 years ago
I'm conservative, but I'd consider a gov't insurance program. The key is to make sure market forces are in place to keep costs of medical services in check. Make people pay a % on a REGRESSIVE scale that wouldn't even begin until $100.
AND make the prices doctors charge available on a public website or 800 number, so that ppl can shop.
I'm against gov't moves on the private sector, but I hate ins. co's. The other thing to do is tort reform, cuz malpractice drives up doctor's prices.
courageousjake 2 years ago 3
malpractice insurance is actually a very very small component of the cost....
the cost in driven by the fact that none of the major players have an incentive to keep the cost down..
1) The Consumer....nope..they want as much as they can get
2) Doctors....nope..the want salaries higher than doctors anywhere else in the world and lobby for immigration laws which keep foreign doctors out of the country
3) Big Pharma...of course that is obvious...profits
4) Insurance companies...actually a little
dundura123 2 years ago
complicated...as they should have an incentive to control cost...but they don't have leverage over Big Pharma....they don't have leverage on doctors or hospitals because consumers want the best...so they generate thier profits via premiums, refusing claims...and only selecting low risk people....
finally, the hospitals and industry have no incentive in investing in preventive care...you don't make any money by keep people healthy...your profit comes from treating them once they are sick
dundura123 2 years ago
Why are the republicans so interested in going the way of the private insurance companies?
They had the opportunity to cover the uninsured thereby bringing more income to their copmanies, they did nothing about it. It proves to me that the insurance copanies hve/had no interest in the uninsured.
the republicnas ought to be ashamed for not supporting the public option.
tarpumpphillips 2 years ago
111TH CONGRESS
1ST SESSION H. R. 3438
To amend title 5, United States Code, to establish a national health program
administered by the Office of Personnel Management to offer Federal
employee health benefits plans to individuals 7 Page Health care Bill but no one can read anymore> H. R. 3438
louis12346 2 years ago
actually the reason so many european countries have social medicine is because (free) and universal health care is seen as a basic human right......kinda along with healthy food, clean air and drinking water. I tend to agree with them. Yes I understand very high income and goods and services taxes are necessary to cover costs.
wb8594 2 years ago
I agree. In the US, a cancer diagnosis, spinal tumor etc is for many people a death sentence. Spinal surgery alone can cost over a million dollars, and not every middle class family can even afford a plan that covers that much. If your cap is $250,000 and you have to get surgery for $500,000, you have to sell your house, car and belongings to even survive. Where is the justice or even freedom in that?
jwh30385 2 years ago 2
The government can't even regulate itself...
Macs83ak 2 years ago
the past few years the post office has jacked up the price of stamps. they are 6 billion in the hole this year. why are they still in business? cuz it's the public option. what happens when your public health insurance can't pay for itself? they're gonna charge someone... the public.
threesixty2349 2 years ago
If anyone wants to see how good the Canadian health care system is, see YouTube video watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw Crowder takes a video camera to the clinics and hospitals to find out what it is like to get health care in Canada. What a nightmare! Please see the video so you can learn for yourself. Healhcare is not just about the money. We want good healthcare, not long waits like in Canada.
roncram 2 years ago
You have long waits in the emergency room without healthcare insurance
EmperorKagato 2 years ago
You're going to have long waits in the emergency room no matter what kind of health care system you have. We don't have the hospital facility infrastructure to support our population.
SelfDestructiveMedic 2 years ago
In the US, it is not uncommon to wait a couple of hours to be seen. But in the Crowder video people were waiting 9-10 hours when they had a broken bone. In the US we have 34 CT Scanning machines for every million population. In Canada they have 8 for every million people. Just go through the stats. There is a push to privatize healthcare in Canada right now.
roncram 2 years ago
And just to remind you, Crowder bases all of his assumptions and criticisms of Canadian health care on his experiences in the Quebecois system.
Quebec's health care system is a very poor reflection of Canadian health care. In Vancouver or Toronto, I can literally thumb through a list of walk-in clinics if I need to see a doctor, choose the location that is most convenient for me, and simply show up at the clinic to see a doctor, despite having no regular family doctor of my own.
spacekangaroo 2 years ago
Oh, I agree with you. My problem is that if the Public Option ends up going into effect, we won't have the facilities or staff to treat that many people. To actually make a go at this, it'll take some major $ to bring us up to the level we need to be in order to treat that many people. We have a sever shortage of nurses, and most nursing schools have massive waiting lists. Is the administration prepared to address that problem?
SelfDestructiveMedic 2 years ago
i live in canada and healthcare is fine, we also live 2 years longer than americans.
thomasburtable 2 years ago
thomasburtable, did you watch the Crowder video I provided? Sorry, but that is terrible healthcare - far worse than the US.
roncram 2 years ago
if our healthcare is worse, why do we live longer? i have lived in both the US and Canada, i'm guessing you haven't lived in both countries so you're information is flawed.
thomasburtable 2 years ago
Canada's life expectancy is 78.3 years for males, 82.9 for females. Life expectancy in the US is 75.6 for males and 80.8 for females. We rank one slot behind Cuba.
jwh30385 2 years ago 2
yeah...but we can afford to buy more shit during those 2 less years !!! [lol] Who wants to live a few years longer if it aint gonna be as fun? I mean...this is the only country where people have $500 car payments and say they cant afford health insurance. [double lol]
951pete 2 years ago
if you take away violence, car crashes, and obesity, we live longer
hint0122 1 year ago
The public option is not the same as single payer. But Obama plans to move from public option to single payer quickly. I know Obama has denied this, but he lies. See watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk If anyone wants to see how good the Canadian health care system is, see watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw Crowder takes a video camera to the clinics and hospitals to find out what it is like to get health care in Canada. What a nightmare! Please see the video so you can learn for yourself.
roncram 2 years ago
Long waits and poor care? That's how the Canadian health care system is portrayed in American media. In real life, Canada has better health care outcomes than the United States, and pays FAR less for its health care.
spacekangaroo 2 years ago
It is not just how it is portrayed. In fact, most news media portray Canadian healthcare as wonderful, but the facts don't bear that out. A much higher percentage of people in the US are very happy with healthcare than in Canada. See the YouTube video "What if Government Ran Healthcare?" Pretty funny stuff. Plus it has some great statistics at the bottom of the screen.
roncram 2 years ago
"A much higher percentage of people in the US are very happy with healthcare than in Canada."
This is not true. Canadians are, on average, more satisfied with their health care system than Americans are. Also, the government doesn't "run healthcare" in Canada as you suggested. Health care is FUNDED publicly but it is DELIVERED privately in Canada.
spacekangaroo 2 years ago
So is there some kind of centralized administration that runs patient care in Canada? Or is it done on a smaller, localized level? Do you have any problems with patients being denied any type of care due to budgetary considerations? And also, is your health care system running at any kind of deficit?
SelfDestructiveMedic 2 years ago
Healthcare in Canada is delivered by institutations, such as hospitals and clinics, that are privately administered. However, the funding that they receive is from the government, and therefore public.
Care is given to patients on the basis of their need. Budgetary considerations do influence certain types of care. There are protocols that physicians follow to avoid unnecessarirly high costs.
(cont'd....)
spacekangaroo 2 years ago
(cont'd....)
For example, certain very expensive drugs are supposed to be used as second line agents if a less expensive, and equally effective medication was already tried or not tolerated by the patient. However, it is rare for a patient to actually be denied care due to cost in situations like this.
In fact, a study donce in the last decade actually found that American doctors feel more budgetary interference in their clinical decisions than Canadian doctors do.
(con'td...)
spacekangaroo 2 years ago
(cont'd...)
This debunks the popularly voiced myth that Canadian doctors' medical decisions are scrutinized by the government. American health care institutions are more driven by profit, so it is no surprise that these institutions interfere more to cut their costs.
As for your question about a deficit, I don't know the answer.
spacekangaroo 2 years ago
TYT is so funny,do they really think anyone takes them serious,TYT must of been a telemarketing company that went bust from lying to people. oh no did I just buy a magazine
victormyers1 2 years ago
This was the best explanation I've thus heard of the health care proposals. Better yet, no coverage of angry mobs and raucous town hall meetings. Just the facts, and clarity regarding his own personal preferences.
Darklogic112358 2 years ago
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we dont need health care reform as much as we need good paying jobs for the people so they can afford health care.lot of people working 3 min wage jobs part time with no health care.we need to quit shipping our jobs to china and start paying the people enough they can live!!!just look at the mess the govt has made of social security and worker comp.what u want to have a attorney just to get health care too?
bo stinks and so do his bigger goverment ideas.we need to vote all these jokers out.
ez3usx2 2 years ago
we can keep it all private and cover everyone.
i can name a country that does that
xfvkemosx 2 years ago
Have you seen this?
watch?v=VVhnPhSsKy8
KARStarla 2 years ago
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thomasburtable 2 years ago
HMMMMMM
why not just do it the swiss way they completely private
o btw were not the only industrial nation that isnt socialized healthcare
the swiss are completely private, Singapore is mostly private with a basic public option, as i say basic public option it covers all basic needs BASIC zogm and it isnt single payer.
most people are on private in Singapore because the private gives you access to the private hospitals/doctors and it covers more than the basic public
xfvkemosx 2 years ago
When will America wake up and join modern civilization. You people deserve better, you just have to educate yourselves about the issues.
sadhuable 2 years ago 4
I have a healthcare video that is going viral i recently uploaded that sums alot of it up in general
hvacrdude1 2 years ago
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You won't here the dems breath a word of truth because power is the cure. They want to control the masses, Teddy Roosevelt first proposed national health insurance in 1912, FDR proposed it again in the 1930s. Harry Truman proposed it again in the 1940s. They've been waiting along time for this progressive power holy grail issue, healthcare is the way to pure Socialism, Reagan was warning of this as far back as the 60s. Oh, let's not forget Hillarycare.
Why are they pushing it so hard?
hellotommy 2 years ago
People do want healthcare reform but not Obama's plan. Obama and the Democrats are making a big mistake. Perhaps they do not remember when the Clintons tried to take over healthcare in 1993 and the Republicans took over Congress in 1994. According to Quinnipiac University poll, by a 72-21 margin voters do not believe Obama will keep his promise to reform healthcare without adding to the deficit. By 57-37 margin, voters think healthcare reform should be scrapped if it will add to the deficit.
roncram 2 years ago
you do know theres no matter what we do the deficit will go up...even if we dont reform it
btw
singapore
that is all
xfvkemosx 2 years ago
Obamas healthcare plan is making people very angry! It is destroying the Democrat party. According to Rasmussen Reports, in a generic poll Republicans beat Democrats 43% to 38%. Republicans will probably take over Congress in 2010. Google Rasmussen Reports Generic Congressional Ballot and see for yourself. This is a huge turnaround for Republicans. People are fighting mad. And it is not just the Republicans either.
roncram 2 years ago
Right, we independants are even madder! And we decide the elections!
If the libs came to us and offered something like "less immigration, stop the illegals at the border, and no more anchor babies"...we might of allowed healthcare to get through. It is called give and take. Give us something we want, and we do the same. The immigration issue is our hottest issue. But no, the dems dont want that...they want it all! They will get nothing.
calimar28 2 years ago
The proposed bill says that illegal immigrants would not be covered. The Dems should be shouting that over the screaming of the crazies
I agree with you tho...
I'm underemployed because illegals (even tho they do a crappy job) will do my job for $5/hr.
momzacarp 2 years ago
Ha, it DOES cover illegals...let me tell you how. It is a loophole in the bill...
The bill says that the new healthcare plan (public option) does not cover non-citizens. But the loophole is that many states/cities are "sactuarey" and will not ASK if the citizen is really a citizen, and will not require birth certificates to prove it! There was an amendment that requires that everyone is asked to produce proof of citizenship, but that admendent was kicked out! Hmm, wonder why?
calimar28 2 years ago
Papers please, citizen?
recompile 2 years ago
we have single payer option
the swiss'ish option which is the private option (its not like ours its a lot better)
the Singapore option which is probably the best which has private and public working extremely well together and is quite competitive.
please everyone look them all up
PLEASE
xfvkemosx 2 years ago
But you dont have an immigration problem like we do. That problem will break this country if we gave healthcare to all.
calimar28 2 years ago
american's are so selfish
1080Nike 2 years ago
americans in general? and why? (just curious what your opinion is)
amp1616 2 years ago
Are we selfish 1080Nike? You know how many BILLIONS we give to Africa alone every year, with no payback required?
calimar28 2 years ago
It is kind of amazing some "people" think health costs are like buying a car or any other commercial proposition (eg: all the insurance co-sponsored posts on Youtube by varying "people"). You can plan to buy a car or a house: it's your own responsibility and your money allocation--but you can't plan a medical affliction. Not the same. I simply note one anti-health plan person on Ytube had her two fave videos as a) a revolver shooting into a tank, and b) a clip of Milton F'man on "Greed". True!!
clusterfacker 2 years ago
"You can plan to buy a car or a house: it's your own responsibility and your money allocation--but you can't plan a medical affliction. Not the same."
Thats a good point, I hadn't thought of that
zzyzx0788 2 years ago 18
@zzyzx0788
Big difference..... Getting sick is not achieving shelter.... or providing yourself with transportation.... WHEN you get sick you simply want to get better so you can be productive again..... So I ask the question.... WHY is getting sick so expensive? Why should a surgery and a night in the hospital cost 100,000 dollars ?... WHY are insurance companies involved in health care when there first priority is avoiding sick people ? Eliminate insurance companies from health care!!!
funkyflights 1 year ago
@funkyflights Um..yea, Im not disagreeing with you
zzyzx0788 1 year ago 2
@zzyzx0788
high five!!
funkyflights 1 year ago
@zzyzx0788 Well, good point but can easily be defeated. How about the smoking people? almost all of them know in advance that smoking causes lung cancer. Would you treat them for free if they have this disease?
hopes26 1 year ago
@hopes26 Well, yea, because its cancer. You could easily make the same the same argument with eating fast food, eating food with alot of preservatives, or drinking. In fact, I could make the argument that getting behind the wheel of a car puts you in risk of getting into an accident, happens to thousands everyday. But not everyone that smokes gets cancer, not everyone that drives gets in an accident. Regardless none of that should exclude you from having access to healthcare
zzyzx0788 1 year ago
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@zzyzx0788
You can plan to buy a car or a house: it's your own responsibility and your money allocation--but you can't plan a medical affliction. Not the same."
Thats a good point, I hadn't thought of that''
That's actually common sense!
Sogwa 1 year ago
There is a Private option but all it means is you will be in a non public hospital and you get things quicker but NHS works out really well now am not saying its perfect waiting times for surgery use to be really long time but it has iproved alot. So why would americans say no the the Public option it seems to me that Americans are more interested there tax going up then giving 47 million people healthcare???
rickyross1878 2 years ago
Americans are so stupid it's incomprehensible to put into words how their stupidty made them the most powerful country in the world. Ok my view about health care.
Am in London and we have something called NHS national health service, and little bit of tax get's taken from our wages to pay for everyone's healthcare, Simple right and yes every one gets health care from the drug addict to the old man deeing hip replacement. we pay the first £7 for medication cont....
rickyross1878 2 years ago 3
Corporate America and the Republicans don't want you to have a choice. They want to make all the decisions for you so they can maximize their profits.
rcdonnelly 2 years ago 2
Private Insurance hates competition? They compete with each other for clients on a daily basis. A government system doesn't provide competition... not by any normal definition of the term. When the government can dictate what private insurance companies have to offer in their plans, don't have to make a profit, will have a bloated beauracracy running the system... it is NOT COMPETION.
Obama's stated goal .... a single payer government system that may take 10 to 15 years to implement.
ImaCapitalistPig 2 years ago
IMPORTANT: Why the not-for-profit Government run PUBLIC PLAN is better then the profit-driven PRIVATE PLAN. The Public Plan doesn't have "RESCISSION"
GOOGLE: Health Insurance Rescission Spells Trouble For Consumers.
librophile 2 years ago
Ha ha! so are the democrats retard!
pdaniels9000 2 years ago
The big insurance companies don't want competition? Is this guy being serious?
Why would they not want fair competition which drives down costs and maximizes profit? I thought they were selfish greedy bastards? Even his own logic is inconsistent.
There is a difference (if you can handle it) between fair and unfair competition, i.e Govt HC would mandate costs and price, so it can be made artificially cheaper at the taxpayers expense drawing down the insurance pool for the privates.
mctarmac10 2 years ago
Young Turk you a Phony tort reform?
FFI1332 2 years ago
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If we get a nationalized health care system, people will remember who foisted this disaster on us and Obama will go down in history as the most hated President.
oilhammer04 2 years ago
erm wrong theres 1.6 billion muslims that hate bush so obama cnt do worser
rickyross1878 2 years ago
yea healthcare haha, maybe if the government cant even run the postal service without losing money, health care you numnuts
vince6363 2 years ago
Spain, where I now live, has a great health care system. I pay 50 Euros a month for private insurance with no deductible. For little things I use my private plan cuz it´s more convenient. If something serious happens I go to the public system for coverage. My payments are low cuz the private companies don´t have to cover big expenses. Everybody wins. I try to explain how the US system works and Spaniards think Americans are crazy.
charlie1der 2 years ago 4
Us insurance is wack, dont come here and buy insurance man..
shaochiavang 2 years ago
This guy is either healthy or some Democrat posing as a Spaniard.
oilhammer04 2 years ago
But your nations goverment probebly doesnt spend all its money and go into the hole...USA goverment always does.
Also, you dont have a huge minority problem like we do here.
calimar28 2 years ago
62% of bankruptcies are because of out standing health care cost. Imagine if we got everyone health care and it was a single payer system. you pay little to no money for your bills. We would have a lot less bankruptcies. Isn't that enough reason?
kbjami 2 years ago 4
a republican will never understand that...
nitro1439 2 years ago 2
dude, the insurance company dont want people to know that..
shaochiavang 2 years ago
Reps and corp jerks: The Obama plan hopes to offer a public option, it's called competition, the thing Republicans claim to support. It's what you have in a truly free market, you have choices, and if the people choose the public option the private Insurance companies will have to lower their prices to compete, or they go out of business. That's called a free market: what part of that do you not understand?
clusterfacker 2 years ago 4
Right on.
Polarcupcheck 2 years ago
im not buying your lies, nice try
javierbiz 2 years ago
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liberals are clueless,suckers fall for obama's liberal act
javierbiz 2 years ago
ok so that is your opinion, and you are entitiled to it... but please defend it! you come out and say liberals don't have a clue, and we're all obama sheep, why? how about the video above? do you disagree? why do you think the public option is wrong? if anything it is YOU who is the brainwashed sheep because you're blindly spreading hate without a fucking clue as to why you should hate
jumar1281 2 years ago
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ajack: The Obama plan hopes to offer a public option, it's called competition, the thing Republicans claim to support. It's what you have in a truly free market, you have choices, and if the people choose the public option the private Insurance companies will have to lower their prices to compete, or they go out of business. That's called a free market: what part of that do you not understand?
clusterfacker 2 years ago
This is one of your best videos. 5 stars!!
polos505 2 years ago 2
We need a healthcare system that does not cause people to go bankrupt just for life saving care. Many bankruptcy cases are the result of enormous healthcare cost.
If you love the system as it is: Don't Get Seriously ill; And whatever you do, Don't Get Sick AND Lose Your Job. When you see the bill, you might pass-out!
TimothyPhillips 2 years ago 2
Yeah you don't have to have it until you lose your job along with 9.5% (and growing) of other Americans. pg. 16 of draft for health care bill
Mdl1038spl 2 years ago
who the fuck is this loser, this dirty fascist swine.
tirmen8er 2 years ago
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odumba is a socialist and just wants to be in charge of population control,kill the elderly,because they are of no further use and kill babies on demand,destroy the country and bankrupt us ,screw odumba plus he wants us to cover 15-20 millions of illigal aliens, go back to your country kenya and spread your socialism,they adore you there,we hate your ass here!!
ajack50 2 years ago
wtf r u talking about?
Senlocc 2 years ago
wow do you hear yourself?
ZacharyDuhamel 2 years ago
Oh, as for the lack of government advertising. Totally correct. the news media will do that for them. XD
Zeeroyuy 2 years ago
Cenk would easily be our greatest POTUS ever.
dizzymasekela 2 years ago
I see trolls >:D
Bleedingbox 2 years ago
this guy is abolutely insane. dude, stop watching the news and read a history book... or one on economics. when the health care industry is all about it and you blame them for the problem there's gotta be something to it. How about the insurance companies paying millions for lobbyists to go to washington arguing their stake in the bill. 50 million paid in full new customers. Walmart healthcare... great idea morons. Sorry Will Ferrell, no more advances medicine, you can't live to be 145
tirmen8er 2 years ago
Lol What? Made No sense Had No logic
phazon4 2 years ago
TROLLING
Bleedingbox 2 years ago
fuck your dumb
starbucks3954 2 years ago
oh i should add it is not an MRI machine from 80s :) there is one open MRI for clostrophobic patients and another closed one which is relatively older. but the high standards set by the Ministry of Health are met perfectly. which means health care can be alot more efficient than it is in US!
odugurlu 2 years ago
and in the process they came to the conclusion that they were overpaying the private health providers !!!:)))) hahahahah 120-150 dollar for an MRI!!! overpaying :))) so now it is about 60 dollars..
of course it became really hard for small-mid scale healthcare providers to afford that so they started charging patients an extra 20 dollar and even that became an issue and the government was trying to ban that extra charge just recently.. so guys fight for your health insurance! you deserve that
odugurlu 2 years ago
Let me give you guys an example from a country which some would call "developing" or maybe some might even call "3rd world".. Turkey.
My father runs a private hospital in Turkey and a couple of years ago we could charge 120 to 150 dollar for an MRI scan! yes this is real and read the rest, gets even better.
The system changed and instead of having 3 different public health insurance organization now they have only one .. continues in the next message..
odugurlu 2 years ago
The best Health Care Options for America Progressives is to get a hair cut just below the throat.
cajunstrat 2 years ago
Excellent!!
Ramel34 2 years ago
Remember - all the fear floating around out there over this is all fake. The GOP cry like Chicken Little when Day light Savings ends. They're greedy selfish pigs so ignore them.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
If we do get the optional public health plan then not only would the cost go down for individuals willing to pay, but they would probably continue to lower as even corporations would get on the band wagon. If I ran a small business one of my benefits would be that I would pay for a nice portion of my employees public healthcare. In the end the private insurances just know they are in hot water because they'd have to switch to being supplementary health plans and that doesn't make big profits.
Zeeroyuy 2 years ago
great video...
zaboomafoo25 2 years ago
Please remember that while our overall health care ranks 37Th in the world, we do have some of the best individual hospitals in the world ( IE mayo). I would hate to see places like that disappear or be forced to compromise there care.
rschwader 2 years ago
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Obama's Politics of Collective Redemption
By Kyle-Anne Shiver
And in this seemingly redemptive offering, Obama may be promising what only God can actually deliver, in the form of yet another, more eloquent, version of the same old utopian dream that started with Rousseau and Marx.
teton99 2 years ago
05:55 Cenk says "The Republican party has become , just a long arm of lobbyists. It's just a way that lobbyists are IN the gov't, right"
Very introspective of him to say that however this is true also of the democratic party. Make no illusions there is but one political party in this country the "Business party". The Republicans and Democrats are but two factions of the same party. This is a one party country. Sure they are two sides, but two sides of the same coin. Illusion of choice.
Saromatae 2 years ago
The best way to fix health care is get the Gov out of it other then them helping to lower the cost. Everybody should have to pay 25 to 50 a month for health care insurance and medical care needs to cuts the what they charge by half. And no more lawsuits. If a doc kills someone the police and investage to see if its criminal
mtnmanquin 2 years ago
You know that's interesting what you say about the police. Wouldn't that drive our taxes up but just for another area? However, it sounds like it'd create more jobs and might actually be a pretty good option. My question then is what about survivor compensation or compensation to the person who is loosing money because the doc made a mistake that crippled them or gave them a much longer hospital stay?
Zeeroyuy 2 years ago
Zeeroyuy middle class people's taxes wont go up at all.. but people who make 250k or more there will go up little but.. but that little bit of tax increase alone can sustain single payer or what people call it public option.. and if doctor made a mistake and that mistake made u cripple then u can actually sue the doctor for alot of money.
PhantasyGod 2 years ago