When I showed this video to my father he emailed me back saying he was brought to tears.
Everything said in this speech Reagan may as well have said about TODAY! I hear the same things said that we should APPEASE and make our Enemies LOVE US if we UNDERSTAAAAND THEM!
Didn't you notice one of the signs the muslim protestors said, "Death to France" France? I thought they appeased the most?
The Surge is working and the terrorist's dreams of a caliphate are dashed. You could say they're beyong hope at this stage.
It's a good thing ELRon and his truther supporters arn't going to win, we need a person on the Republican ticket who understands how to win, and not how to blame america for everything.
No one disagrees with the fact that "Islam" or the "Easterners" or whoever have a problem with the US. The confusion lies with WHY do they do so? Is it because we're free? No--they should bomb Amsterdam then. Is it because we're godless? No--they should bomb France then. Is it because we're rich? No--they should bomb Honk Kong then. It's because America has exploited them.
You and your ilk are the most "useful idiots" in the history of the US. typically it was the liberals who would appease the communists, now it is you appeasing islam. Ron Paul, commander in chief, taking orders only from Osama.
I'm sorry, but do you know anything about history? Why do you think Communism came about? Was it just created spontaneously, out of thin air? NO. It was in reaction to the "capitalism" (read: Imperialism) of the West. What would you have done in Vietnam had you been colonialized by the French for over 100 years?? Would you fight any Western power (American forces) to regain your Nation's independence? Please read some history before you start commenting on it. Done.
What does Vietnam have to do with the radical islamic threat? You want to stick your head in the sand while our civilization is destroyed, that's your perogative. Please don't try and lead my country into the dirt. Elect a real leader who can maintain our strength in the world.
Bro: I only brought up Vietnam because you said I was appeasing communism or something. My rebuttal simply asked you if you knew anything about the history of communism. To that, you have not responded.
Radical islam, you say? Read up on the history of Iran and maybe you will discover what "radicalizes" these people.
You care about our civilization? Cool. I do too. Read about past civilizations then.
As for communism, I understand the forces that produced communism. They are the same forces that have existed since the existence of human nature. They are the desire for men to control others. I read the stupid manifesto, and I'm vaguely familiar with the events that lead to the revolution and the revolution itself. So what? It's evil, plain and simple. Our country was founded on the principles of freedom, a belief that all men are created equal.
We haven't always adhered to that principle, and we've done some shitty things. However, the principle is still the best ideal there is so far, and America is still the best implementation of that ideal.
Agreed--Freedom is a great principle. But that's not what you are always advocating. Why should we go around the world imposing our ways on others? Wouldn't it be best, if not sensible, just to set a good example for others in the hopes that they will want to emulate us?
ok, you sound just like the appeasers during the cold war. If we appease our enemy, they won't hate us. This is a lie. They won't stop until we are all subject to islamic law, period. We are the great infidel, and as far as I am concerned, they can f*ck right off.
I am disappointed in your accusation of me. It would seem like you and I are not seeing eye to eye. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this topic. Good luck.
Communism might be abhorrent to you and I because we believe in the merits of liberty, but that does not mean that communism is "evil." Communism was a reaction to western Imperialism. Those people were tired of the "capitalistic" ways of the West, and they wanted something different. Granted, it seems illogical to think socialism was the answer, but this is what they came up with. To call that straight up "evil" is to ignore the whole face of history.
As for what "radicalizes these people". Look, I don't want to hear any more blame the victim bullshit. We hear it enough from the enemy, I don't need to hear it from you too. radical islam is hell bent on world domination, and they will get there through my dead body. I just wish you would quit wanting to help them so much.
Sir: To accuse me of wanting to "help" the enemy is a cheap shot, to say the least, and I wish you would not stoop to this level. Let's stick to the issues.
If you want to die in fighting this "world domination" that is fine. But who will you sacrifice in this quest--your brother, your son, your grandkids, my brother, my son, my grandkids?? When will it end? Let's work for peace and understanding with other nations, not war.
How many brothers and sons and grand kids died in the world trade center during 9/11? We have a volunteer army that is composed of patriots who are willing to defend their country. As long as we have people willing to defend this country, kindly get the hell out of their way and let them do it.
Communism is slavery. Government exists for itself. If government was in charge of bread it would be stale and cost $10 a loaf. They would then tell us we need to raise taxes to improve bread.
"Communism is slavery." Dude, I completely agree. You and I are on the same page. I don't want communism--I wan liberty. But in the US, there is a lot of pseudo-communism going around--farm subsidies, health care, military subsidies, housing subsidies, public ed.--and I am afraid these are slowly encroaching on our liberties. That's why I am for Ron Paul.
catobear, Communism was created as a response to capitalism? ROFL!!! When was Russia capitalist? Or China? You have to rewrite history because real history doesn't serve your purpose.
Bro, I did not say "communism was a reaction to capitalism." I said it was in large a reaction to western imperialism (which paraded itself as capitalism). I am not saying the USSR was justified in "converting" over, but you have to acknowledge that it did not happen in a vacuum--it was a reaction to the exploitation of the West. I am not saying we are all evil; just that the USSR was not all evil either.
America was founded on independence, the colonies were self reliant. America produces 6% of the worlds oil and consumes 25% of it. As long our economy and way of life is dependent on foreign oil, we will never be free from conflict, and we will continue to send billions, trillions of dollars to despots around the world.
So true. We must find a way to get rid of our dependence on oil. Who better to do that then a man who understands the economy better than all the other candidates. Mitt Romney understands what it takes to get business done, and he will get it done!
Fighting terrorism is not just fighting it militarily, but also diplomatically and economically. So to say Ron Paul wont fight terrorism is simply wrong. His policy, for a start would certainly stop active jihadi recruitment. It would help get Iranian help in bringing shiite militias in line. In the long run, a movement loses its steam only for lack of motivation. If US reduces its military adventures, certainly it would be helpful in preventing more normal muslims lining up to join Al Qaeda.
When US deals with Iran, it is much more easier to bring them in line by negotiation, trading, and talks. Vietnam, China and more recently Libya all ceased to be threats to US only after trading and talks. This is a much simpler and practical way of winning over the Iranian people who hate their leaders. But if US attacks Iran, they will rally behind their leader, just the same way Americans would, if attacked.
We should remember that negotiating with terrorists is totally inconceivable, we can negotiate with sovereign governments. It is often said that it is not possible with the mullahs in Iran bcos of their irrationality. We have to remember, no leader, elected or otherwise, hates anybody else more than they love their own power. This is exaclty why, Stalin, Mao, Kin Jong Il for all their hate US rhetoric never dared to attack US.
People often consider Iran and Al Qaeda in equal terms in that they are both éxtremists'. The difference is Iran has a legitimate grievance against the US and it is a sovereign nation. So talks with them are not only possible but also can achieve practical results. If talks can provide results with North Korea recently and China in 1970s (both of them so ideologically far apart from US and they both had enough hatred of US), nothing prevents the same thing with Iran.
Mitt Romney is the only candidate talking about self reliance. Ron Paul talks about isolationism, but not self reliance. Mitt Romney wants a program like the "mission to the moon" that would make us energy independent. Can you imagine how THAT might impact our foreign policy and strategic national defense?
I did know that free trade was "Isolationism." Have you ever heard of Stan Meyer? He was a devout Christian from Ohio? He made is own Jesus mobile. And he did something else too. You should look into it.
Mitt Romney's vision of energy independence puts us in a situation where we literally are not financing radical islam anymore. With Ron Paul's policies, we stop attacking radical islam and keep sending over our money by the barrel.
Ron Paul has not said anything that gives me any confidence that he understands the threat of islamic jihad. Paul dismisses the threat and diverts questions by breaking into a history lesson about blowback and how it's all our fault. Watch this video at 1:19 to see my response that that nonsense.
Yea, no one wants to hear all that logic and reasoning crap. They hate us because of our freedom! That's why Switzerland and Costa Rica are continuously targeted by Islamic jihad. If history has taught us anything, it's that history is for dummies and is pointless.
We created the threat. George Bush is a radical Christian extremist who has by his own words dubbed this to be a "crusade." A crusade is a holy war. A jihad is a holy war. We bomb them. They bomb us. One day someone will have to decide to stop bombing. Unless we Americans take a page from Hitler and just commit large scale genocide.
Ben, explain to me why islamic radicals are bombing the primarily buddhist thailand? Have we created that threat as well? What about the bombings in indonesia, india? George Bush didn't create radical islam, mohamed did. As for genocide -- ask islam if it even happened, most will deny it.
Let's don't forget the Danish cartoonists, the pope, the knighting of salman rushdie. What do any of these have to do with Bush? Do you think it's justified to murder a nun because the pope quotes a 14th century emporer?
I don't give a rats ass what Islamic jagoffs do in other countries. For me this the only country that matters. This is where my loyalty is. We need to secure the USA before we even consider going overseas with an invasion force. I am not saying we should not send our special forces. But it's necessary to send an army after a couple thousand ill trained muslim fanatics. Muslim extremism has been around for 1500 years. And nothing has changed except oil and heroin.
Did you not witness 9/11? If you missed it, muslim fanatics hijacked passenger jets and crashed them into our civilian buildings killing more than three thousand innocent men women and children. For God's sake, do you not remember the people jumping off of the WTC?
Is that what you saw? Do you know who was in charge of security for the twin towers and Dulles Intl? I bet you think that the laws of physics were suspended that day too.
No sir. I just want to know what you saw. I saw two hijacked planes hit the towers. But that's all I saw that matches the official story. Everything else is a mystery to me.
There were thousands of eye witnesses, there were cell phone calls from the flights. There is an enormous record of what happened. Ron Paul certainly doesn't claim that it was anything other than what it was. Unfortunately, Paul ducks any questions about jihadists by giving a lesson to the class about why the terrorists hate us. Unfortunately, his theory does not explain everything. Listen to what Reagan says in this video - listen at 1:19
Yes and hundreds of witnesses including first responders reported multiple explosions after and before the towers were struck. Did you listen to the NYFD tapes and interviews?
I don't understand what you're talking about? Please elaborate. Penn & Teller also think G-d is bullshit too. So why don't you just tell me what you want me to know? Or what exactly you want me to look at?
I agree with Reagan. But this is an undeclared war in Iraq that we already won years ago. Now we are just killing people and stealing their oil. And now all of the so called "top tier" candidates including Clinton and Obama want us to do the same thing in Iran. We have become thieves. As a Christian it's hard for me to square with that mentality. So I support Ron Paul.
The problem that I have with Ron Paul is that he does not acknowledge the threat. He blames the radical agression on our foreign policy. That does not fly with me. When Danish cartoonists have to go into hiding for thier lives, or the Pope quotes a 14th century Emporer, and there is outrage and a Nun is murdered, etc... Paul does not acknowledge that global domination aims of radical islam.
No one with a bomb has attacked us, you idiot. Explain to us why Ron Reagan pulled the Marines out of Lebanon? You're an idiot. No one is attacking us. Every person who attacked us on 9/11 is dead, and Al Qaeda is as strong now as ever, so how is the war in Iraq doing ANY good? Defend our country, our people, and forget the OIL. RON PAUL 2008
Al Qaeda is a small portion of the fighting forces in Iraq. Al Qaeda has received more recruits since our invading Iraq. The ones who were behind 9/11 are dead or they are in Afghanistan/Pakistan. Iraq has nothing and had nothing to do with 9/11.
Can you prove it? The aggressive nature of radical islam is well documented. You are regurgitating. Radical jihadists are in Iraq and are trying to seize control of the country and it's resources.
Well firstly Al Qaeda is an extremist Sunni group in a nation which the majority of people are Shiite. Even the Sunnis in Anbar province don't like Al Qaeda. The reports indicate the AL Qaeda is no more than 5% of the militia/insurgent fighters.
No. Iran is only hostile to the US because it couped their government in 1953 and is trying to overthrow it now. Al Qaeda is a small group and most Sunnis don't align themselves with Al Qaeda.
iranian leaders deny the holocaust and call for the destruction of isreal. iran is seeking nuclear power. how confident are you that iran would not give a nuke to al queda for use in attacking the usa
Ok. Iran had a meeting about the holocaust. It was a protest against those that are put in prison for just denying the holocaust. They had Jewish scholars and rabbis there along with pretty much ever view there to have a discussion. Iran would not give Al Qaeda a nuke because it is a radical Shiite organization, not Sunni like Al Qaeda. Iran even helped us against the Taliban and you think they would give Al Qaeda a nuke?
We are funding Sunni extremist in Iran much like Al Qaeda to help destabilize their government. AL Qaeda would just be as likely to use the nuke on Iran.
if there is one thing we know, our enemy has a complete disregard for human life, and would not hesitate to use a nuke if they could aquire one. the next president and their policies will largely determine if that happens or not. the election has never been more crucial than it is now. that is why im voting for romney.
What are you trying to say? We should "tactically" nuke a nation with tons of innocent people just because a few crazies happen to live there? That is the most ridiculous notion I have ever heard. Iran is not a big threat to the US and neither was Iraq. The Afghanistan invasion was needed but not Iraq or Iran whose government will fall on its own because of the large number of youths, secular views and pro western feelings that inhabit the country.
Don't vote based on an irrational, fear poorly connect fear. There are dangerous will Islamic extremists but committed terrorism to fight terrorism is beyond on ironic. People need to at least have the civility to learn about their "enemy" before they attack and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
*Don't vote based on an irrational, fear poorly connected fear. There are dangerous posed by Islamic extremists but committing terrorism to fight terrorism is beyond on ironic. People need to at least have the civility to learn about their "enemy" before they attack and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
I am sorry moveoverdotorg. You can't use 9/11 for every argument you can't win with facts. 9/11 doesn't give the country I live in the right to bomb and plunder any nation just because a few murders killed over 3000 people. You are taking your anger on people that have done nothing to you or this country. Btw way, go learn about Chile's September the 11th where over 5,000 people died. Maybe it will be your wake up call.
The fact is that radical islam wants to destroy us, meanwhile we are addicted to oil and are sending unprecedented quantities of capital to the middle east. We are completely dependent on foreign oil to maintain our economy, and society. Romney will cut most aspects of government spending, but will invest in acheiving energy independence. We need a plan of action, not another "why they hate us" history lesson.
No, you and most of this country need a history lesson extremely badly. Btw incase you don't know Chile is in South America and is Christian not Muslim. We do need an alternative energy plan, that is obvious. Radical Islam means nothing. It is just a big brush you have tried to paint with so you don't have to learn about the different groups and their history.
You owe it the country you want to bomb to learn everything about before you attack it and what its real motives are. You haven't done that with Iran because you think they might give a bomb to Al Qaeda which laughable to any Middle East expert.
I could go on and I will if you want me too but first please go watch the video about Chile's September 11th. It is only 4mins long and I am sure it won't be too long for you to watch (at least I hope not) before you get bored.
I watched the video before I responded before. Ok, so we had a covert program to destabalize Chile when a marxist leader ermerged as part of the cold war. So? What is your point?
A leader was democratically elected and we coup him with an authoritarian puppet that's what! He had no alliances with Moscow and let's just assume he did. We have no right to overthrow a government that is democratically elected by its people. He was going to help Chile. So I guess you support terrorism against other nations but yet you whine when our country gets terrorized and use it as an excuse to justify war with nations that had nothing to do with. Hypacricosy at its highest.
This was in 1973, and I'm not trying to say that it's right or wrong - really I don't know enough about it to make that kind of judgement. Is it possible it was morally wrong? of course it is. OK, so this doesn't change the fact that radical islam wants to kill us, that we're in bed with the Saudis and are sending unprecedented resources over there. We're in an ideological war that has nothing to do with Chile. What are we going to do about it?
It's not enough to simply bash our government. We have to act and look forward. We have to have a strategy, a plan. Romney has a vision of energy independence that will make us self reliant. Independence without self reliance is impossible. Can you agree with this point?
Of course I agree that we need to look forward. We can't fight yesterday's battles but we can learn from them. It's not like it is still not going on. The CIA couped Hugo Chavez in 2002 over oil and we attacked Iraq for oil and the dollar. As to Romney, I will have to look at his plan. I don't know enough about that. If you have a video about it I will watch it.
However, I could never support him if he stated he would tactically nuke a nation whom will overthrow its government in the future. Like I said Islamic extremism is a board brush to paint with.
If you lived in Great Britain and Chile attacked saying you were a Western Imperialist and after 9/11 things have changed as they were plundering the North Seas oil. Meanwhile the Scots, Irish and English got into a scuffle because their was no UK government, do you think you would be a little pissed off and inflamed with more anger if they kept using the US coup as an excuse when you and your county had nothing to do with it?
Well it was a good video. I agree with him that we have to use multiple energy possibilities because there is no one solution right now as far as I am aware. Most of them are overrated. However, the coal idea sounds dangerous.
Of course there is nothing we can do about it now. The point I was making is that you are trying to use 9/11 to justify wars with nations that had nothing to do with it when we committed a 9/11 in Chile where 5,000 died. That would be like Chile attacking France and using the US coup as an excuse that Western Imperialism is a threat.
Not at all, I'm simply pointing out that we were attacked on our own soil, and that whether we acknowledge it or not, we are engaged in a war. We ignore this at our own peril.
Regardless - our economy and way of life depends on oil. We produce 6% of the worlds oil, and we consume 25% of it. We are currently dependent on foreign oil. Mitt Romney understands that our dependency is a threat to our national security. Romney knows how to organize and invest properly to make us self reliant and truly independent once again!
So please state that. Don't say we are in Iraq for freedom or because of 9/11. Saddam was the must secular leader in the Middle East. I will watch your video.
Roger they had a conference on it. Why is it illegal to deny the holocaust but not to deny the 50 million killed in the Soviet Union or the massive amounts of Native Americans killed in the Americas? That is what the conference was about, a chance to have an open debate. I know you believe the Iranians are evil little demons that can do nothing good but your personal pre conceived notions don't affect reality in the slightest.
Oh give me a break, the only place denying the holocaust is illegal is in places in Europe such as Germany. If you want to go and have a conference about whether it existed or not despite the fact that it snowed down black ashes from the Concentration camps on the people of Germany, despite the records kept, despite the videos kept, because the guy calling it is a holocaust
denier and his foreign minstry spokesman visited a concentration camp some decades later and thought it was overrated thats fine, just don't expect the world not to look on in disgust.
I am going to concede that this is not a mainstream Iranian position, the Ayatollah's Foreign Policy Advisor and the Countries UN Ambassador are not holocaust deniers.
Exactly. That is my point. Why should it be illegal? They had Jewish rabbis and every view there to have a discussion about it. It was a none pc debate. I am glad you look at the holocaust with disgust and you should. You should also look at all the genocides with equal disgust.
All genocides should be marked with disgust, absolutely, Rwanda, Darfur, Iraq, the Circassians, etc. but the simple reality of the matter is that to open up this to debate and discussion, the Holocaust is to trivialise all genocide as a matter of point of view and a topic open for discussion when the truth is that it is not. If the Holocaust is open for discussion then all Genocides are essentially open for discussion.
Roger your sarcasm is starting to become annoying as it oozes with hypacricosy. You believe the US has committed less human rights abuses than Iran? I don't support the religious government of Iran but it will be overthrown by the great Iranian people in good time. For the last time Roger, the debate was about the holocaust and it had all sides (supporters and deniers. Arabs, Jews and Caucasians).
Well then I will send you two videos. Tell me what you think about them. That goes to anyone else that believes Iran has committed more human rights abuses than the US. Iran does do something disgusting violent actions like putting homosexuals to death or killing adulterers. But the US has its own form of barbarity that it practices. CIA coups of installing brutal US authoritarian murderous puppets.
Man, i don't see how you can compare the US to Iran. I think you should try living in Iran for a few years and then come back to the US and tell us how you liked it.
Wouldn't bother me. I wouldn't try to "tatically" nuke the area they were in either. Is it illegal anywhere to deny it like it is to deny the holocust? Do you support the idea that you should be imprisoined for denying an event, historical or not?
I just don't understand why you get so hot and bothered by it. It is a trivial issue that you are building your strawman, smokescreen illusion.
Well good. Then maybe you can attack Europe for having such a ridiculous law. At least Iran allows critics of its view of how important or substantial the holocaust was/is be able to be portrayed. Btw I am critical of their theocracy which is abominable. It bothers me that all countries have nuclear weapons. I wish Iran wouldn't get nuclear weapons but I wouldn't nuke them because they are trying to get them.
I can understand why they would want them. They are afraid we want to attack them or coup them like we did in 1953 and like we are trying to do right now.
Why in the hell would I want to attack Europe because of their speech laws? Every time I have visited the place, they have all been quite nice. And, let me say whatever I wanted.
Yes, Iran allows critics of other nations to speak. Now, how about those who criticize their government?
What is your obsession with the US nuking Iran? Nobody here suggests such, but you.
LOL! Sorry if you truly thought that is what I meant. I meant type as much about that as you do about the holocaust meeting. They do allow critics. Not as much as I would like but college students have demonstrated and not been punished. It is not a fair nation though at all. Romney, Hunter, Ghouliani, McCain and every other Republican except Ron Paul I believe said they would tactically nuke Iran if they continued their nuclear program.
that is a lie, nobody said they would nuke Iran if they continued their nuclear program -- Jeez, pay attention. The questions about nukes have been baited. The candidates said they would not take any options off of the table. Clinton said the same thing - Any president who wouldn't be willing to use a nuclear weapon in the most extreme cases of national defense doesn't deserve to be president. If a nuke goes off in DC or New York, We ought to turn Mecca to glass IMO.
Of course it does. How else could they stop them from researching nuclear weapons? Their facilities are underground. Tactically nukes will have to be used.
I know on the table means it is an option, not certainity. As for the bunker buster bombs, I am not aware of them. I will go learn about them right now. I got my information from Bill Oreilly. I should have known better.
Yes, you should have known better. O'Reilly is a blowhard and often misses the point on issues.
The only interesting parts of his show are the guests, on occasion. He is definitely not a reliable news source and his analysis of news is weak and self-serving.
I wouldn't trust anyone who denies the holocaust. You know what they say about history, those who don't learn from it are doomed to repeat it. I'd rather they not repeat it on me.
That's like saying most Germans didn't align themselves with the Nazis in 1925.
You think the mullahs are pissed because we supported the Shah fifty years ago? Jimmy Carter was instrumental in bringing the Shah down in 1979. And how did the Ayatollah thank him?
How was Carter instrumental? You need to back up your claim. Of course it worked out for the Ayatollah in the end. However he would not have gotten the support he did if the US didn't coup Mossadeq and buy Iranians sovereignty. The last grasp of power we did in Iran was not the coup. We made Americans completely immune to criminal charges in Iran in exchange for the sale of vast amounts of weapons, therefore making Iranians second class citizens in their own nation.
We also supporting and created the brutal SAVAK whom we taught Nazi torture techniques that we learned from the Germans we captured to help us in the Cold War.
By assuring the Shah that the United States backed him and then never following through on that support in the revolution. Carter essentially paid him lip service. Members of the Carter cabinet pushed him to back the Shah but Carter had no idea how to deal with the situation and did nothing.
There are a number of books that outline this and that a number of Iranians, mostly those who supported the Shah, believe the US is at least in part responsible for the revolution.
Yes I have heard that is well. Perhaps the US shouldn't have had the Shah make Iranians worth less than a dog in the United States inside their own country.
How did he not support him in the revolution. Even the history channel admits that both the CIA, President Carter and the Shah were not fully aware of out right anger. I really am glad the Shah fell. I just wish the Islamist had taken it over.
CIA is at fault for missing the entire Iranian Revolution. As well as the fall of the Berlin Wall and the demise of the Soviet Union. Toss in "slam dunk" on Iraqi WMD and you get a near-perfect record of failure.
Church Committee did that, in the aftermath of Watergate.
Are you serious? Listen to yourself? Honestly think about it. First "radical jihadist?" Are there un-radical jihadist? Or are you fear mongering? I want to remind you that the Nazi's used the "fear mongering" tactic on their own people too.
Second imagine if they got control of Iraqi oil. What the would they do with it? Who's going to buy it? Who will risk an almost certain reprisal from the US forces? We can leave that country any time we want.
Or do you think we a right to make Iraq into a giant prison while we relieve than of the burden of their oil. Did you know that we are trying to force an oil policy on Iraq that gives American and British oil companies control over 83% of Iraqi oil. Do you think we are being generous to the Iraqis by letting them have a small piece any of what is rightfully theirs? I think you are a war whore and necrophiliac.
And I think you are naive. Mitt Romney wants to make us energy independent as a tenet of our national defense. By becoming energy independent, we become self reliant.
That's a complete lie. That's like saying that Ron Paul want's to molest children because he doesn't support any regulation on the internet in any way.
I guess you missed the debates. He said it himself. And he voted to give the President the authority to torture Americans. Can you say Jose Padilla? He's an American. He's scumbag but he's still an American.
Ronald Reagan is neocon scum, just like the pussy that posts these videos.
Nicholai420 4 years ago
Ronald Reagan is neocon scum, just like the pussy that posts these videos.
Nicholai420 4 years ago
When I showed this video to my father he emailed me back saying he was brought to tears.
Everything said in this speech Reagan may as well have said about TODAY! I hear the same things said that we should APPEASE and make our Enemies LOVE US if we UNDERSTAAAAND THEM!
Didn't you notice one of the signs the muslim protestors said, "Death to France" France? I thought they appeased the most?
RedNebulaStudios 4 years ago
Awesome job, moveoverdotorg, you are da man. It's too bad government has polluted our schools, children need to hear things like this.
demliars 4 years ago
The Surge is working and the terrorist's dreams of a caliphate are dashed. You could say they're beyong hope at this stage.
It's a good thing ELRon and his truther supporters arn't going to win, we need a person on the Republican ticket who understands how to win, and not how to blame america for everything.
ConservativeAmerican 4 years ago
WHOA! WOW! I've never heard this Reagan Speech before. I think I'll forward this to some of my family members.
gokufievel 4 years ago
that speech really gets you thinking. i wish a true leader of his caliber would emerge
3147golf 4 years ago
No one disagrees with the fact that "Islam" or the "Easterners" or whoever have a problem with the US. The confusion lies with WHY do they do so? Is it because we're free? No--they should bomb Amsterdam then. Is it because we're godless? No--they should bomb France then. Is it because we're rich? No--they should bomb Honk Kong then. It's because America has exploited them.
catobear1704 4 years ago
Osama's little helper.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Nice rebuttal, chump.
catobear1704 4 years ago
You and your ilk are the most "useful idiots" in the history of the US. typically it was the liberals who would appease the communists, now it is you appeasing islam. Ron Paul, commander in chief, taking orders only from Osama.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
I'm sorry, but do you know anything about history? Why do you think Communism came about? Was it just created spontaneously, out of thin air? NO. It was in reaction to the "capitalism" (read: Imperialism) of the West. What would you have done in Vietnam had you been colonialized by the French for over 100 years?? Would you fight any Western power (American forces) to regain your Nation's independence? Please read some history before you start commenting on it. Done.
catobear1704 4 years ago
What does Vietnam have to do with the radical islamic threat? You want to stick your head in the sand while our civilization is destroyed, that's your perogative. Please don't try and lead my country into the dirt. Elect a real leader who can maintain our strength in the world.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Bro: I only brought up Vietnam because you said I was appeasing communism or something. My rebuttal simply asked you if you knew anything about the history of communism. To that, you have not responded.
Radical islam, you say? Read up on the history of Iran and maybe you will discover what "radicalizes" these people.
You care about our civilization? Cool. I do too. Read about past civilizations then.
catobear1704 4 years ago
As for communism, I understand the forces that produced communism. They are the same forces that have existed since the existence of human nature. They are the desire for men to control others. I read the stupid manifesto, and I'm vaguely familiar with the events that lead to the revolution and the revolution itself. So what? It's evil, plain and simple. Our country was founded on the principles of freedom, a belief that all men are created equal.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
We haven't always adhered to that principle, and we've done some shitty things. However, the principle is still the best ideal there is so far, and America is still the best implementation of that ideal.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Agreed--Freedom is a great principle. But that's not what you are always advocating. Why should we go around the world imposing our ways on others? Wouldn't it be best, if not sensible, just to set a good example for others in the hopes that they will want to emulate us?
catobear1704 4 years ago
ok, you sound just like the appeasers during the cold war. If we appease our enemy, they won't hate us. This is a lie. They won't stop until we are all subject to islamic law, period. We are the great infidel, and as far as I am concerned, they can f*ck right off.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
I am disappointed in your accusation of me. It would seem like you and I are not seeing eye to eye. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this topic. Good luck.
catobear1704 4 years ago
Communism might be abhorrent to you and I because we believe in the merits of liberty, but that does not mean that communism is "evil." Communism was a reaction to western Imperialism. Those people were tired of the "capitalistic" ways of the West, and they wanted something different. Granted, it seems illogical to think socialism was the answer, but this is what they came up with. To call that straight up "evil" is to ignore the whole face of history.
catobear1704 4 years ago
As for what "radicalizes these people". Look, I don't want to hear any more blame the victim bullshit. We hear it enough from the enemy, I don't need to hear it from you too. radical islam is hell bent on world domination, and they will get there through my dead body. I just wish you would quit wanting to help them so much.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Sir: To accuse me of wanting to "help" the enemy is a cheap shot, to say the least, and I wish you would not stoop to this level. Let's stick to the issues.
If you want to die in fighting this "world domination" that is fine. But who will you sacrifice in this quest--your brother, your son, your grandkids, my brother, my son, my grandkids?? When will it end? Let's work for peace and understanding with other nations, not war.
catobear1704 4 years ago
How many brothers and sons and grand kids died in the world trade center during 9/11? We have a volunteer army that is composed of patriots who are willing to defend their country. As long as we have people willing to defend this country, kindly get the hell out of their way and let them do it.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Communism is slavery. Government exists for itself. If government was in charge of bread it would be stale and cost $10 a loaf. They would then tell us we need to raise taxes to improve bread.
demliars 4 years ago
"Communism is slavery." Dude, I completely agree. You and I are on the same page. I don't want communism--I wan liberty. But in the US, there is a lot of pseudo-communism going around--farm subsidies, health care, military subsidies, housing subsidies, public ed.--and I am afraid these are slowly encroaching on our liberties. That's why I am for Ron Paul.
catobear1704 4 years ago
catobear, Communism was created as a response to capitalism? ROFL!!! When was Russia capitalist? Or China? You have to rewrite history because real history doesn't serve your purpose.
Communism has been tried and failed.
demliars 4 years ago
Bro, I did not say "communism was a reaction to capitalism." I said it was in large a reaction to western imperialism (which paraded itself as capitalism). I am not saying the USSR was justified in "converting" over, but you have to acknowledge that it did not happen in a vacuum--it was a reaction to the exploitation of the West. I am not saying we are all evil; just that the USSR was not all evil either.
catobear1704 4 years ago
vote Obama
vote Obama
vote Obama
50Zagreb 4 years ago
its spelled emperor.
studyreligions 4 years ago
thanks - just don't start rioting and killing people over it :)
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Which country would that be? Not Iran, obviously.
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
And thank god they do have nukes, or they'd have been anhiliated by the barbarian hypocrites that would destroy them.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
If DC, or New York, or LA, go up in a nuclear strike, I hope we have a president who can turn Mecca into glass.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Getting kinda popular over here aren't you ;)
wyattmcintyre 4 years ago
America was founded on independence, the colonies were self reliant. America produces 6% of the worlds oil and consumes 25% of it. As long our economy and way of life is dependent on foreign oil, we will never be free from conflict, and we will continue to send billions, trillions of dollars to despots around the world.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
So true. We must find a way to get rid of our dependence on oil. Who better to do that then a man who understands the economy better than all the other candidates. Mitt Romney understands what it takes to get business done, and he will get it done!
NJstudents4Mitt08 4 years ago
Fighting terrorism is not just fighting it militarily, but also diplomatically and economically. So to say Ron Paul wont fight terrorism is simply wrong. His policy, for a start would certainly stop active jihadi recruitment. It would help get Iranian help in bringing shiite militias in line. In the long run, a movement loses its steam only for lack of motivation. If US reduces its military adventures, certainly it would be helpful in preventing more normal muslims lining up to join Al Qaeda.
kramkrish75 4 years ago
When US deals with Iran, it is much more easier to bring them in line by negotiation, trading, and talks. Vietnam, China and more recently Libya all ceased to be threats to US only after trading and talks. This is a much simpler and practical way of winning over the Iranian people who hate their leaders. But if US attacks Iran, they will rally behind their leader, just the same way Americans would, if attacked.
kramkrish75 4 years ago
We should remember that negotiating with terrorists is totally inconceivable, we can negotiate with sovereign governments. It is often said that it is not possible with the mullahs in Iran bcos of their irrationality. We have to remember, no leader, elected or otherwise, hates anybody else more than they love their own power. This is exaclty why, Stalin, Mao, Kin Jong Il for all their hate US rhetoric never dared to attack US.
kramkrish75 4 years ago
People often consider Iran and Al Qaeda in equal terms in that they are both éxtremists'. The difference is Iran has a legitimate grievance against the US and it is a sovereign nation. So talks with them are not only possible but also can achieve practical results. If talks can provide results with North Korea recently and China in 1970s (both of them so ideologically far apart from US and they both had enough hatred of US), nothing prevents the same thing with Iran.
kramkrish75 4 years ago
Another good video. Mitt Romney is inspiring, as was Ronald Reagan in his day.
5M1L3 4 years ago
Mitt Romney is the only candidate talking about self reliance. Ron Paul talks about isolationism, but not self reliance. Mitt Romney wants a program like the "mission to the moon" that would make us energy independent. Can you imagine how THAT might impact our foreign policy and strategic national defense?
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
I did know that free trade was "Isolationism." Have you ever heard of Stan Meyer? He was a devout Christian from Ohio? He made is own Jesus mobile. And he did something else too. You should look into it.
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
Mitt Romney's vision of energy independence puts us in a situation where we literally are not financing radical islam anymore. With Ron Paul's policies, we stop attacking radical islam and keep sending over our money by the barrel.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Fantastic Speech. VERY Topical at the Moment. Sent shivers up my spine. Thank you.
red5llaw 4 years ago
Ron Paul has not said anything that gives me any confidence that he understands the threat of islamic jihad. Paul dismisses the threat and diverts questions by breaking into a history lesson about blowback and how it's all our fault. Watch this video at 1:19 to see my response that that nonsense.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Yea, no one wants to hear all that logic and reasoning crap. They hate us because of our freedom! That's why Switzerland and Costa Rica are continuously targeted by Islamic jihad. If history has taught us anything, it's that history is for dummies and is pointless.
bulldogvillan 4 years ago
Give it time, Switzerland would fall too.
There are more Muslims in French and Germany than there are Jews in Isreal.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
FYI, Ron Paul was among the first in congress to support Ronald Reagan when he first ran for President in 1976.
I'm a soldier, and my money and my vote are going to RON PAUL in 2008!
libertarian4322 4 years ago
There is nothing that Ron Paul has said that gives me any confidence that he understands the threat of radical islam.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Pat Buchanan was on Reagan's staff, but I doubt he would support Reagan if he were alive today.
Buchanan evolved into a populist. So did Ron Paul.
Intellectual junk.
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
We created the threat. George Bush is a radical Christian extremist who has by his own words dubbed this to be a "crusade." A crusade is a holy war. A jihad is a holy war. We bomb them. They bomb us. One day someone will have to decide to stop bombing. Unless we Americans take a page from Hitler and just commit large scale genocide.
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
Ben, explain to me why islamic radicals are bombing the primarily buddhist thailand? Have we created that threat as well? What about the bombings in indonesia, india? George Bush didn't create radical islam, mohamed did. As for genocide -- ask islam if it even happened, most will deny it.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Let's don't forget the Danish cartoonists, the pope, the knighting of salman rushdie. What do any of these have to do with Bush? Do you think it's justified to murder a nun because the pope quotes a 14th century emporer?
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
I don't give a rats ass what Islamic jagoffs do in other countries. For me this the only country that matters. This is where my loyalty is. We need to secure the USA before we even consider going overseas with an invasion force. I am not saying we should not send our special forces. But it's necessary to send an army after a couple thousand ill trained muslim fanatics. Muslim extremism has been around for 1500 years. And nothing has changed except oil and heroin.
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
correction: NOT necessary to send an army.
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
Did you not witness 9/11? If you missed it, muslim fanatics hijacked passenger jets and crashed them into our civilian buildings killing more than three thousand innocent men women and children. For God's sake, do you not remember the people jumping off of the WTC?
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Is that what you saw? Do you know who was in charge of security for the twin towers and Dulles Intl? I bet you think that the laws of physics were suspended that day too.
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
Ahh, you just lost all credibility with me Ben. Let me guess, now honestly please... you smoke dope, correct?
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
No sir. I just want to know what you saw. I saw two hijacked planes hit the towers. But that's all I saw that matches the official story. Everything else is a mystery to me.
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
There were thousands of eye witnesses, there were cell phone calls from the flights. There is an enormous record of what happened. Ron Paul certainly doesn't claim that it was anything other than what it was. Unfortunately, Paul ducks any questions about jihadists by giving a lesson to the class about why the terrorists hate us. Unfortunately, his theory does not explain everything. Listen to what Reagan says in this video - listen at 1:19
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
hey, that's 9:11 backwards -- funny coincidence... or is it?
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Yes and hundreds of witnesses including first responders reported multiple explosions after and before the towers were struck. Did you listen to the NYFD tapes and interviews?
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
Search for the video "Penn & Teller - 9/11 Conspiracy Theories"
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Why?
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
Not a seeker of truth? You decide to believe something, and regardless of new evidence, you refuse to reevaluate your views?
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
I don't understand what you're talking about? Please elaborate. Penn & Teller also think G-d is bullshit too. So why don't you just tell me what you want me to know? Or what exactly you want me to look at?
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
"9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon"--------
Allegations Brought to Inspectors General
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 2, 2006; Page A03
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
And does Dan Eggen think that 9/11 was staged?
I highly doubt it. I don't think any reasonable person does.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Your loyalty is with the United States? Really?
Sure, like Ron Paul, you think it is our fault for being so... ourselves. We did not start this conflict, they did.
You sure you are on the U.S.'s side?
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
I agree with Reagan. But this is an undeclared war in Iraq that we already won years ago. Now we are just killing people and stealing their oil. And now all of the so called "top tier" candidates including Clinton and Obama want us to do the same thing in Iran. We have become thieves. As a Christian it's hard for me to square with that mentality. So I support Ron Paul.
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
The problem that I have with Ron Paul is that he does not acknowledge the threat. He blames the radical agression on our foreign policy. That does not fly with me. When Danish cartoonists have to go into hiding for thier lives, or the Pope quotes a 14th century Emporer, and there is outrage and a Nun is murdered, etc... Paul does not acknowledge that global domination aims of radical islam.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Another great video. Hopefully the next Reagan (Mitt Romney) will win the election in 08.
NJstudents4Mitt08 4 years ago
Thanks Dan, yours too!
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Excellent video.
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
Roger, hey, thanks for the kudos - I really enjoyed reading your comments on the "Ocean" video - way to hold the front
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
That was great speech. I miss Reagan
wyattmcintyre 4 years ago
The Pope also claims his church is the only true church and all the others are wrong. You agree with that also?
goneresistance 4 years ago
No one with a bomb has attacked us, you idiot. Explain to us why Ron Reagan pulled the Marines out of Lebanon? You're an idiot. No one is attacking us. Every person who attacked us on 9/11 is dead, and Al Qaeda is as strong now as ever, so how is the war in Iraq doing ANY good? Defend our country, our people, and forget the OIL. RON PAUL 2008
goneresistance 4 years ago
So, nobody is attacking us... everyone from 9/11 is dead... and al Qaeda is as strong as ever.
Seems al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11, and attack us every day in Iraq.
So, they are dead, but are now as strong as ever?
Is that about right?
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
Al Qaeda is a small portion of the fighting forces in Iraq. Al Qaeda has received more recruits since our invading Iraq. The ones who were behind 9/11 are dead or they are in Afghanistan/Pakistan. Iraq has nothing and had nothing to do with 9/11.
overmind25 4 years ago
Can you prove it? The aggressive nature of radical islam is well documented. You are regurgitating. Radical jihadists are in Iraq and are trying to seize control of the country and it's resources.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Well firstly Al Qaeda is an extremist Sunni group in a nation which the majority of people are Shiite. Even the Sunnis in Anbar province don't like Al Qaeda. The reports indicate the AL Qaeda is no more than 5% of the militia/insurgent fighters.
overmind25 4 years ago
This thing in Iraq is a proxy war between us and two groups: al Qaeda and Iran. Each with different purposes, but each intent on destroying us.
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
No. Iran is only hostile to the US because it couped their government in 1953 and is trying to overthrow it now. Al Qaeda is a small group and most Sunnis don't align themselves with Al Qaeda.
overmind25 4 years ago
iranian leaders deny the holocaust and call for the destruction of isreal. iran is seeking nuclear power. how confident are you that iran would not give a nuke to al queda for use in attacking the usa
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Ok. Iran had a meeting about the holocaust. It was a protest against those that are put in prison for just denying the holocaust. They had Jewish scholars and rabbis there along with pretty much ever view there to have a discussion. Iran would not give Al Qaeda a nuke because it is a radical Shiite organization, not Sunni like Al Qaeda. Iran even helped us against the Taliban and you think they would give Al Qaeda a nuke?
overmind25 4 years ago
We are funding Sunni extremist in Iran much like Al Qaeda to help destabilize their government. AL Qaeda would just be as likely to use the nuke on Iran.
overmind25 4 years ago
if there is one thing we know, our enemy has a complete disregard for human life, and would not hesitate to use a nuke if they could aquire one. the next president and their policies will largely determine if that happens or not. the election has never been more crucial than it is now. that is why im voting for romney.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
What are you trying to say? We should "tactically" nuke a nation with tons of innocent people just because a few crazies happen to live there? That is the most ridiculous notion I have ever heard. Iran is not a big threat to the US and neither was Iraq. The Afghanistan invasion was needed but not Iraq or Iran whose government will fall on its own because of the large number of youths, secular views and pro western feelings that inhabit the country.
overmind25 4 years ago
Don't vote based on an irrational, fear poorly connect fear. There are dangerous will Islamic extremists but committed terrorism to fight terrorism is beyond on ironic. People need to at least have the civility to learn about their "enemy" before they attack and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
overmind25 4 years ago
*Don't vote based on an irrational, fear poorly connected fear. There are dangerous posed by Islamic extremists but committing terrorism to fight terrorism is beyond on ironic. People need to at least have the civility to learn about their "enemy" before they attack and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
overmind25 4 years ago
9/11 was your wake up call. were you listening?
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
I am sorry moveoverdotorg. You can't use 9/11 for every argument you can't win with facts. 9/11 doesn't give the country I live in the right to bomb and plunder any nation just because a few murders killed over 3000 people. You are taking your anger on people that have done nothing to you or this country. Btw way, go learn about Chile's September the 11th where over 5,000 people died. Maybe it will be your wake up call.
overmind25 4 years ago
watch?v=9MTDbclDiKg
Ill send you the link in your message box as well.
overmind25 4 years ago
The fact is that radical islam wants to destroy us, meanwhile we are addicted to oil and are sending unprecedented quantities of capital to the middle east. We are completely dependent on foreign oil to maintain our economy, and society. Romney will cut most aspects of government spending, but will invest in acheiving energy independence. We need a plan of action, not another "why they hate us" history lesson.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
No, you and most of this country need a history lesson extremely badly. Btw incase you don't know Chile is in South America and is Christian not Muslim. We do need an alternative energy plan, that is obvious. Radical Islam means nothing. It is just a big brush you have tried to paint with so you don't have to learn about the different groups and their history.
overmind25 4 years ago
You owe it the country you want to bomb to learn everything about before you attack it and what its real motives are. You haven't done that with Iran because you think they might give a bomb to Al Qaeda which laughable to any Middle East expert.
overmind25 4 years ago
I could go on and I will if you want me too but first please go watch the video about Chile's September 11th. It is only 4mins long and I am sure it won't be too long for you to watch (at least I hope not) before you get bored.
overmind25 4 years ago
I watched the video before I responded before. Ok, so we had a covert program to destabalize Chile when a marxist leader ermerged as part of the cold war. So? What is your point?
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
A leader was democratically elected and we coup him with an authoritarian puppet that's what! He had no alliances with Moscow and let's just assume he did. We have no right to overthrow a government that is democratically elected by its people. He was going to help Chile. So I guess you support terrorism against other nations but yet you whine when our country gets terrorized and use it as an excuse to justify war with nations that had nothing to do with. Hypacricosy at its highest.
overmind25 4 years ago
Btw, don't think that is all we have done by any stretch. I made my own video about this.
watch?v=XDDFlmoKhFc
It is a brief overview of what we did. If you want more specific videos, then I will have CIACoupsofTerrorism give them to you.
overmind25 4 years ago
This was in 1973, and I'm not trying to say that it's right or wrong - really I don't know enough about it to make that kind of judgement. Is it possible it was morally wrong? of course it is. OK, so this doesn't change the fact that radical islam wants to kill us, that we're in bed with the Saudis and are sending unprecedented resources over there. We're in an ideological war that has nothing to do with Chile. What are we going to do about it?
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
It's not enough to simply bash our government. We have to act and look forward. We have to have a strategy, a plan. Romney has a vision of energy independence that will make us self reliant. Independence without self reliance is impossible. Can you agree with this point?
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Of course I agree that we need to look forward. We can't fight yesterday's battles but we can learn from them. It's not like it is still not going on. The CIA couped Hugo Chavez in 2002 over oil and we attacked Iraq for oil and the dollar. As to Romney, I will have to look at his plan. I don't know enough about that. If you have a video about it I will watch it.
overmind25 4 years ago
I'm working on the video now!
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
However, I could never support him if he stated he would tactically nuke a nation whom will overthrow its government in the future. Like I said Islamic extremism is a board brush to paint with.
overmind25 4 years ago
If you lived in Great Britain and Chile attacked saying you were a Western Imperialist and after 9/11 things have changed as they were plundering the North Seas oil. Meanwhile the Scots, Irish and English got into a scuffle because their was no UK government, do you think you would be a little pissed off and inflamed with more anger if they kept using the US coup as an excuse when you and your county had nothing to do with it?
overmind25 4 years ago
You have to learn about each case in order to solve each one. You can't be lazy and evoke one event as a solution or as the problem.
overmind25 4 years ago
Take a look at this video - watch?v=CuD4tPIANpg
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Well it was a good video. I agree with him that we have to use multiple energy possibilities because there is no one solution right now as far as I am aware. Most of them are overrated. However, the coal idea sounds dangerous.
overmind25 4 years ago
We ousted Chavez? Really? I mean, someone by that very same name keeps showing up in Venezuela, claiming to be their leader.
Regarding Allende, he too was a Communist thug, in the process of destroying Chile's democratic institutions.
Like most of his kind, he was glad to use democracy to gain power, but never intended to cede it.
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
We did oust Chavez. However, he was rescued from the prison he was kept in.
overmind25 4 years ago
Of course there is nothing we can do about it now. The point I was making is that you are trying to use 9/11 to justify wars with nations that had nothing to do with it when we committed a 9/11 in Chile where 5,000 died. That would be like Chile attacking France and using the US coup as an excuse that Western Imperialism is a threat.
overmind25 4 years ago
Not at all, I'm simply pointing out that we were attacked on our own soil, and that whether we acknowledge it or not, we are engaged in a war. We ignore this at our own peril.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Regardless - our economy and way of life depends on oil. We produce 6% of the worlds oil, and we consume 25% of it. We are currently dependent on foreign oil. Mitt Romney understands that our dependency is a threat to our national security. Romney knows how to organize and invest properly to make us self reliant and truly independent once again!
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
So please state that. Don't say we are in Iraq for freedom or because of 9/11. Saddam was the must secular leader in the Middle East. I will watch your video.
overmind25 4 years ago
Oh, right. The holocaust conference was just Iran's way of supporting human rights. Because that is their priority-- intellectual freedom for all.
Got it.
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
Roger they had a conference on it. Why is it illegal to deny the holocaust but not to deny the 50 million killed in the Soviet Union or the massive amounts of Native Americans killed in the Americas? That is what the conference was about, a chance to have an open debate. I know you believe the Iranians are evil little demons that can do nothing good but your personal pre conceived notions don't affect reality in the slightest.
overmind25 4 years ago
Oh give me a break, the only place denying the holocaust is illegal is in places in Europe such as Germany. If you want to go and have a conference about whether it existed or not despite the fact that it snowed down black ashes from the Concentration camps on the people of Germany, despite the records kept, despite the videos kept, because the guy calling it is a holocaust
wyattmcintyre 4 years ago
denier and his foreign minstry spokesman visited a concentration camp some decades later and thought it was overrated thats fine, just don't expect the world not to look on in disgust.
wyattmcintyre 4 years ago
I am going to concede that this is not a mainstream Iranian position, the Ayatollah's Foreign Policy Advisor and the Countries UN Ambassador are not holocaust deniers.
wyattmcintyre 4 years ago
But Ahmadinejad is and he is in a high position of authority in that country. I just pray that in 2009 they run him out on a rail
wyattmcintyre 4 years ago
Exactly. That is my point. Why should it be illegal? They had Jewish rabbis and every view there to have a discussion about it. It was a none pc debate. I am glad you look at the holocaust with disgust and you should. You should also look at all the genocides with equal disgust.
overmind25 4 years ago
All genocides should be marked with disgust, absolutely, Rwanda, Darfur, Iraq, the Circassians, etc. but the simple reality of the matter is that to open up this to debate and discussion, the Holocaust is to trivialise all genocide as a matter of point of view and a topic open for discussion when the truth is that it is not. If the Holocaust is open for discussion then all Genocides are essentially open for discussion.
wyattmcintyre 4 years ago
Oh, I agree with you entirely. I'm sure it was a purely academic exercise, sponsored by one of the greatest supporters of human rights in the world.
And, their interest is simply truth, justice and the muslim way. Fine, upstanding people running that place.
Ironically, while they deny the holocaust, they want there to be another one.
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
Roger your sarcasm is starting to become annoying as it oozes with hypacricosy. You believe the US has committed less human rights abuses than Iran? I don't support the religious government of Iran but it will be overthrown by the great Iranian people in good time. For the last time Roger, the debate was about the holocaust and it had all sides (supporters and deniers. Arabs, Jews and Caucasians).
overmind25 4 years ago
I would say so yes.
wyattmcintyre 4 years ago
Well then I will send you two videos. Tell me what you think about them. That goes to anyone else that believes Iran has committed more human rights abuses than the US. Iran does do something disgusting violent actions like putting homosexuals to death or killing adulterers. But the US has its own form of barbarity that it practices. CIA coups of installing brutal US authoritarian murderous puppets.
overmind25 4 years ago
Man, i don't see how you can compare the US to Iran. I think you should try living in Iran for a few years and then come back to the US and tell us how you liked it.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Ah, US citizens are usually treated fine. Those outside are not treated so kindly outside of the US. I am not talking about domesitc laws.
overmind25 4 years ago
Sarcasm? I thought I was being sardonic. My mistake.
I sure don't want to be hypacricosticalistic or anything.
I keep agreeing with you. The Iranians have only the best interests of all at heart.
I mean, just because the Iranians took the holocaust denial side doesn't mean they are anti-semitic or anything.
I think we should have a conference to study whether or not American Indians were really massacred in the 1800s. Might just be all hype.
What say, overmind? good idea?
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
Wouldn't bother me. I wouldn't try to "tatically" nuke the area they were in either. Is it illegal anywhere to deny it like it is to deny the holocust? Do you support the idea that you should be imprisoined for denying an event, historical or not?
I just don't understand why you get so hot and bothered by it. It is a trivial issue that you are building your strawman, smokescreen illusion.
overmind25 4 years ago
Imprisoned for denying something? For speaking freely, however absurdly?
What do you think this is, Europe?
No, overmind, I don't care if people deny the Holocaust. But I sure wouldn't take any wooden nickels from them, either.
Does it bother you that Iran might get nuclear weapons?
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
Well good. Then maybe you can attack Europe for having such a ridiculous law. At least Iran allows critics of its view of how important or substantial the holocaust was/is be able to be portrayed. Btw I am critical of their theocracy which is abominable. It bothers me that all countries have nuclear weapons. I wish Iran wouldn't get nuclear weapons but I wouldn't nuke them because they are trying to get them.
overmind25 4 years ago
I can understand why they would want them. They are afraid we want to attack them or coup them like we did in 1953 and like we are trying to do right now.
overmind25 4 years ago
Why in the hell would I want to attack Europe because of their speech laws? Every time I have visited the place, they have all been quite nice. And, let me say whatever I wanted.
Yes, Iran allows critics of other nations to speak. Now, how about those who criticize their government?
What is your obsession with the US nuking Iran? Nobody here suggests such, but you.
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
LOL! Sorry if you truly thought that is what I meant. I meant type as much about that as you do about the holocaust meeting. They do allow critics. Not as much as I would like but college students have demonstrated and not been punished. It is not a fair nation though at all. Romney, Hunter, Ghouliani, McCain and every other Republican except Ron Paul I believe said they would tactically nuke Iran if they continued their nuclear program.
overmind25 4 years ago
that is a lie, nobody said they would nuke Iran if they continued their nuclear program -- Jeez, pay attention. The questions about nukes have been baited. The candidates said they would not take any options off of the table. Clinton said the same thing - Any president who wouldn't be willing to use a nuclear weapon in the most extreme cases of national defense doesn't deserve to be president. If a nuke goes off in DC or New York, We ought to turn Mecca to glass IMO.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
I guess I will have to upload the video. The Republicans said that tatically nukes are on the table.
overmind25 4 years ago
Someone already beat me too it. Youtube search engine:
Republican debate goes boom
overmind25 4 years ago
"On the table" is not "I will nuke Iran". Not even close.
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
Of course it does. How else could they stop them from researching nuclear weapons? Their facilities are underground. Tactically nukes will have to be used.
overmind25 4 years ago
Your imagination leads you to believe only nuclear weapons can attack an underground bunker, thus you infer "on the table" means "certainty".
Weak thinking.
Conventional bunker-busters were developed in Desert Storm and refined much since then. Very effective, if you know the location of the target.
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
I know on the table means it is an option, not certainity. As for the bunker buster bombs, I am not aware of them. I will go learn about them right now. I got my information from Bill Oreilly. I should have known better.
overmind25 4 years ago
Yes, you should have known better. O'Reilly is a blowhard and often misses the point on issues.
The only interesting parts of his show are the guests, on occasion. He is definitely not a reliable news source and his analysis of news is weak and self-serving.
But that's just my right-wing opinion. :-)
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
Haha! Good to hear.
overmind25 4 years ago
Unequivocally? They flat-out stated they would nuke Iran for continuing it's program? I would dearly love to find those quotes somewhere.
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
I wouldn't trust anyone who denies the holocaust. You know what they say about history, those who don't learn from it are doomed to repeat it. I'd rather they not repeat it on me.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
That's like saying most Germans didn't align themselves with the Nazis in 1925.
You think the mullahs are pissed because we supported the Shah fifty years ago? Jimmy Carter was instrumental in bringing the Shah down in 1979. And how did the Ayatollah thank him?
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
How was Carter instrumental? You need to back up your claim. Of course it worked out for the Ayatollah in the end. However he would not have gotten the support he did if the US didn't coup Mossadeq and buy Iranians sovereignty. The last grasp of power we did in Iran was not the coup. We made Americans completely immune to criminal charges in Iran in exchange for the sale of vast amounts of weapons, therefore making Iranians second class citizens in their own nation.
overmind25 4 years ago
We also supporting and created the brutal SAVAK whom we taught Nazi torture techniques that we learned from the Germans we captured to help us in the Cold War.
overmind25 4 years ago
By assuring the Shah that the United States backed him and then never following through on that support in the revolution. Carter essentially paid him lip service. Members of the Carter cabinet pushed him to back the Shah but Carter had no idea how to deal with the situation and did nothing.
wyattmcintyre 4 years ago
There are a number of books that outline this and that a number of Iranians, mostly those who supported the Shah, believe the US is at least in part responsible for the revolution.
wyattmcintyre 4 years ago
Yes I have heard that is well. Perhaps the US shouldn't have had the Shah make Iranians worth less than a dog in the United States inside their own country.
overmind25 4 years ago
Neither did the the CIA. They talked about it on the history channel. I can give you the video.
overmind25 4 years ago
so then the CIA are at fault for following Carter?
wyattmcintyre 4 years ago
How did he not support him in the revolution. Even the history channel admits that both the CIA, President Carter and the Shah were not fully aware of out right anger. I really am glad the Shah fell. I just wish the Islamist had taken it over.
overmind25 4 years ago
Yeah, what a shame about that.
Like with Cuba. It was good to see Batista go, but too bad Fidel and Che weren't just a teensy bit nicer.
We could have been best friends all.
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
CIA is at fault for missing the entire Iranian Revolution. As well as the fall of the Berlin Wall and the demise of the Soviet Union. Toss in "slam dunk" on Iraqi WMD and you get a near-perfect record of failure.
Church Committee did that, in the aftermath of Watergate.
Thanks again, Democrats.
RogerOnTheRight 4 years ago
Are you serious? Listen to yourself? Honestly think about it. First "radical jihadist?" Are there un-radical jihadist? Or are you fear mongering? I want to remind you that the Nazi's used the "fear mongering" tactic on their own people too.
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
Second imagine if they got control of Iraqi oil. What the would they do with it? Who's going to buy it? Who will risk an almost certain reprisal from the US forces? We can leave that country any time we want.
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
Or do you think we a right to make Iraq into a giant prison while we relieve than of the burden of their oil. Did you know that we are trying to force an oil policy on Iraq that gives American and British oil companies control over 83% of Iraqi oil. Do you think we are being generous to the Iraqis by letting them have a small piece any of what is rightfully theirs? I think you are a war whore and necrophiliac.
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
And I think you are naive. Mitt Romney wants to make us energy independent as a tenet of our national defense. By becoming energy independent, we become self reliant.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
Mitt Romney want to nuke Iran. And torture American citizens!
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
That's a complete lie. That's like saying that Ron Paul want's to molest children because he doesn't support any regulation on the internet in any way.
moveoverdotorg 4 years ago
I guess you missed the debates. He said it himself. And he voted to give the President the authority to torture Americans. Can you say Jose Padilla? He's an American. He's scumbag but he's still an American.
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago
I am wrong. He agreed with the President. And reinforced his opinion during the debate.
BenFranklinFan 4 years ago