U know speed is great 4 showin off & stuff, but how could u make a song outta that? Could u even play that fast while playin with a band? I'm not tryin 2 bash ur record cuz I can't do that, but if u can play that fast with a band then please let me know so I'll shut up. Lol
@MrMetaldrummer777 This is pushing it as hard as i can so its sloppy and uneven. But the point was to get the maximum number of beats in. If I was playing in a band I would slow down a little bit so im not maxing out and would be able to play evenly. A good thing about these exercises is that you play faster than you ever would in a song, so that when you play a little bit slower for a song, its a lot easier and you wont mess up when you're under pressure to perform. practice harder than u play
Yeah its faster than what George plays,but I dont think George has ever claimed to be the fastest,he has enough speed and power for the music he plays and I`m sure he can get even faster if he wants to,but in death metal drumming George is still unmatched
@Thomasgipsy George doesnt claim to be the fastest, but he bashes drummers that are faster than him and says they arent drumming just because they use a lighter stroke to get more speed out of it. Plus, Im not the one that brings it up someone else always compares me to him
@Dreammotive OUCH thats a bold statement.. i think u need to check you ego! cause without triggers what your doin would vertually be useless since no one could here that.. it would be like tappin a drum with you fingers that was triggered to make it loud! u aint fast...
@xxmlhedxx It has nothing to do with ego. Its a simple fact that I have demonstrated drumming speeds faster than anything Kollias has. Check out my video called "(was) the fastest double bass on youtube" and you'll see im not using triggers but the volume is plenty loud and it's, again, faster than anything Kollias has demonstrated publicly. Sure, Kollias could play at 250-270 bpm louder than me but he hasnt learned the art of trading power 4 speed thats needed to play the really high speeds
@Dreammotive maybe you are faster than kollias, but, you know? your double bass is too dirty, you have no precision, all you do, is tapping the bass drum, you are not a drummer.
@JackhammerDrummer45 of course I dont have precision when im playing as fast as possible. but if i slow down to a kollias level i can play evenly enough. I demonstrate that in my musical performance video when i play at 250 bpm quite precisely (in the feet) I realize the overall performance is not exquisitely precise. But I do a lot more than tap bass drums. I have a degree in percussion & have studied it more than you have so i can say with some authority that I actually am a drummer
@Dreammotive Im sure GK would be doing alot more strokes than you do, but at least he's drumming and able to keep up his speed to a proper beat, which i dont really believe you do.
@PirateTravisJohnson1 Ive got other music but not anything with video to it. it takes a lot of work to make a video. I havent actually played metal slug but in the pictures ive seen the graphics look really good. Glad you enjoyed the cover song.
Mine is so slow i just started doinq in it That way but his sick not that bad :) Good drummer right here Those Pedals are extremely expensive for no reason ! -__- BASTARDS
@STIXAHOY not for this video. some people drum for sport these days and this is an entry into that field. I have a video of a musical performance if you'd like to check it out.
@STIXAHOY not for this video. some people drum for sport these days and this is an entry into that field. I have a video of a musical performance if you'd like to check it out.
@Estebansouza its not a musical demonstration. There is no artistic expression in this at all. It is a speed demonstration. Its a sport, a competition, not an art. You could be the highest jumper in the world and that would be a sport, or you could use that technique for a very artistic and impressive dance move. The two fields overlap. This video demonstrates only the sporting side.
@Estebansouza The sport of speed drumming requires the use of musical instruments. You're just going to have to accept that. Its really not that atrocious.
@snakeguyfin I dont believe you can say that because you weren't in the room when I recorded it. The volume is a matter of turning your computer speakers up or down. If I was at a gig I could easily adjust the bass mic to where everyone could hear it anyway, since every drummer outside of jazz mics their drums for live shows its a commonly understood procedure.
if you don't understand that music is about interpretation, you'll never be a good musician, stop gloating/complaining and get a music teacher (or a real one) because all of you really don't understand music.
I think it's a tad less impressive since it's a heel toe pedal, but anyway what I am saying I could never do that even with 3 feet and a heel toe for each.
Haha, that would be pretty hard to play on a rock band pedal. I admire your courage in attempting that. It's much easier on an axis pedal for starters. Then use the heel for one stroke followed by the toes doing a stroke and repeat the pattern in a continuous rocking motion. It may actually work on a rock band pedal. But i dont know. I dont have one.
I suppose i could but im not really into covers. I like to make up my own drum parts to things. It would be a lot of hard work to learn all the parts and Im just not that much of a metallica fan.
The springs are fairly loose. If max speed is your goal, set them to just tight enough to pull the beater back in time for the next hit at an even distance. The drum head is just a little tighter than a few fractional turns on each lug after the wrinkles come out. The head is dampened well, being touched in all places by cloth pressed against it, but not actually pushing the head outward. For all out speed runs like this the beaters are set about 3 inches away when feet are off the pedal.
You're welcome. But one more thing- the tightness and dampening of the head is to get the drumometer to count right. I dont really know how that effects the speed of playing. If you're not using a drumometer then set the head up to what feels best to you.
I use 1 bass drum for 2 reasons: 1.Saves money: Why buy another bass drum when you dont need it. 2. It takes extra space and would make it impossible to keep my hihat right next the left bass pedal which useful for some intricate work between the 2 and playing both hihat and bass with the same foot at the same time.
Two bass drums usually sound better. There isn't as much resonance as a double pedal because the hits are not on the same drum head. I don't think that really matter though when you are using triggers. Of course, I don't even use two bass drums. I use a double pedal also.
Yeah, when playing acoustic 2 bass drums will always sound fuller because 1 is resonating while the other is being hit. With one bass drum, every other stroke is dampening the one before so in a 16th note run you have about half the tone as you would with 2 drums. there is also a point where if you get too fast a single bass drum head can not respond fast enough to get a full tone before the next hit and then either 2 drums or triggers is imperative.
wow are u guys drumer ? if so wtf complaining about what other drumers do wow get a fukin life lol we are musician we all got our way of doin stuff if u dont like it just stfu lol
No offense but this isn't a show of much... If it was tight and not so erratic or sloppy it'd be okay but seriously, what's the use of doing such speeds if you'll never put it to a metronome where it sounds good...
Because it trains you to play evenly at lower speeds when you force yourself to play at maximum for long periods of time. George Kollias has a similar workout that he uses to train. Another point is to bring about competition and sport which promotes excellence in performance skills.
Yeah heeltoe has always been a double stroke until now. But that's kind of the point of these videos is to show that heel-toe singles are the way to go. I don't know where you're seeing each beater hit twice before the other but actually for every right side stroke there is one on the left with a pattern of RLRLRLRL.
This is impressive. It would interest me to see a video of how fast you are without heel toe. if that seemed sarcastic it wasn't. if you posted a video like that i would enjoy watching it.
Well if your curious as to how I would fare using other techniques I can admit to you that Im not nearly as fast. Whenever I play intricate patterns I use mostly heels down singles but for continuous speed over 200 bpm I have to have my heel-toes. 1 thing I want people to get from my videos is that HT is probably the best speed technique. I think people waste good time trying to get fast with other techs as I did before discovering it. Im not versatile like Tim Waterson, I only do one tech well.
So if the world record for spitting a raisin is 25 feet, and I go to my backyard and spit one 30 feet, you're saying that I did not beat the world record? I disagree with your logic. A record beaten is a record beaten. There could be a guy in his basement who just scored 5,500 in this event and he would be the true record holder. Only he didn't get it on video or do it in front of someone. The only difference is level of exposure. I claim this as a record because there is no known higher score.
I'm siding with you, Dreammotive if for eg. you demonstrate and prove that the winds and atmospheric conditions are within competition standards. If you honestly beat the world record under competition standards, then you honestly beat the world record. Full stop. Just don't expect anyone to believe you until they see it with their own eyes since we are all a cynical Still, I do think some of the naysayers should put their money where their mouth is and come forward with a drum off on video!!!
Well thank you. And you're right I can't make people believe it so the best proof I can offer right now is a video. I would love for some people to hit me back with a video of higher scores. I've been trying to get some online competition going but no one bites. Even if they can't beat my score I'd still like to see someone else attempt.
Suppose you wanted to set the world record for the longest frisbee throw. So you go to a field with distance markers and toss it out there farther than anyone has thrown one before, and caught it all on film. You could then truthfully claim to have the record for frisbee throws despite the fact that no referee was there to verify it. So yes it is a world record. By the strict definition it is not official, because drum counting officials are hard to find and there were none at my house that day.
Yes, I don't know if people really care to try and beat this record but I think it's a cool one to try. You just see how fast you can get your one foot moving for only one second and count the beats. So far I've managed to hit 12 in a second using the drumometer to count playing with my right foot only. I imagine there are people out there who can hit 13 or 14 and I would love to see it. Thanks for watching and feel free to ask if you need more clarification.
Awesome! I'm glad you're interested in this stuff. I didn't think anyone would care about a 1 second record but I'll try to get a video up within a few days so you can see it. I'll also try really hard to see if i can cram 13 beats into that second.
You're mistaken. Every beat is followed by a beat from the opposite foot. There is never more than one beat in a row from each foot. 100% pure single strokes.
Well then you play heel toe differently from most drummers. (As do I, actually.) Most drummers, to my knowledge, play left Heel, left Toe, right Heel, right toe. (not necessarily starting with left, but you get my point.) I play it left heel, right heel, left toe, right toe. Which is how you appear to play. So some people will count it as single strokes, some will count it as double.
Wow, I'm surprised you play with the same technique, well that makes two of us. Would you happen to know any famous drummers that use heeltoe as a single stroke? Maybe you are one? Yes I follow your pattern but i generally lead with the right heel, not left. People can say what they want to but by textbook definition it is a single stroke. It can't be correctly described any other way. Thanks for your input though. Any videos of you using this similar technique?
Really I just play whats easier for me. I could never really get down the RR LL RR LL technique. And I'm not sure of any famous drummers that play heel toe like that. (Much less for me being one. I'm actually only a 15 year old that has only lately gotten serious about drumming!) And I would LOVE to be able to upload vids of me drumming, but 1. My camera is broken, and 2. Current living conditions prevent me from having a full drumset.
Oh man I'm sorry you dont have a camera or a full drumset. I was dying to play drums at exactly age 15 as well but I finally got a full set at age 16. The best day was when I got my axis pedal and I knew that poor equipment was no longer an excuse for me. But you're way ahead with those heel-toe single strokes. I only discovered that this year. Practice that for years to come and you'll be amazing with it!
Yeah. But I tend to practice straight heel up or swivel technique when I can. I have trouble keeping my strokes even with the heel toe method. (but then again, practice does make perfect!) It tends to come out into separated sets of four when I start going too fast. So are Axis pedals really all they're cracked up to be? I'd like to use a set in the future (either that or maybe some Trick Pro 1-Vs) and I'm just curious as I've never been able to check them out in person.
The heeltoe singles are very hard to keep even. You can see in my video above that the speed is not really the challenge for me but the coordination as I end up flamming and stuff which costs you points on the drumometer. Just make sure you practice each foots singles seperately, to your top speed, then startover practicing with both, starting at a speed thats controllable.
Axis pedals are everything that people say they are, perfectly smooth, fastest, and highly customizable. I havent't tried the trick pedals but they look equivalent to an axis in quality, It appears to have a very similar design so the longboards set should serve you well. If axis pedals disappeared from earth I would immediately get a trick double for a replacement.
Yeah. Honestly though, I'm leaning slightly more to buying a Trick pedal rather than Axis, mostly due to the stroke adjustment cluster and independent beater angle and footboard height. I also like the fact that everything can be changed with a standard drum key as opposed to 2 or 3 sizes of Allen keys.
Well go for it then. I can hardly imagine the trick pedal not being satisfactory for you. But it does cost quite a bit more than axis. But get either one and I believe you'll have all the pedal power you need.
Yes, they do. But they still cost a good deal less than things from some of my other hobbies. Although before I buy I really would like to get a chance to try each pedal, but I'd doubt that would happen.
Either way for now I'm just going to stick to a cheap PDP double pedal until I have enough money to buy one or the other.
Really? What other expensive hobbies do you have? I think you can get by with the PDP. Really the biggest advantage to high-end pedals is the long-board option.
That's good to hear. And my other expensive hobby is model railroading. Sure, you can go and buy a regular train set for $50, but those are utter crap. A really well running and looking diesel engine can run over $100-$175, and a good steam engine can be over $250. Trust me, good models=good money.
I'm sorry my claim upsets you but this I still say it's the record for single strokes in 5 minutes. Guido Wyss is amazing, but he uses a quad pedal so that doesn't count. Tim Waterson is definitely the champ of heel-toe doubles but this is a contest of single strokes alternating RLRL and having continuous true strokes.
heel toe is not singles, i was just reading your info on the vid, they are doubles, if ppl could set the same type of record as this using doubles it would be way crazier than what you're doing, check out tim waterson's heel toe, or guido wyss at 300bpm lol. heel toe is not single strokes, you never beat anyone's record.
the record was set using single strokes there bud, sorry, but you never beat anyone, your doing heel toe, which guido wyss owns anyone's ass at heel toe, check him out on sickdrummer or on here. peace. and keep practicing.
Mangini's technique for that record is so strange. I can't control the stick at all at only a centimeter from the head. It's really amazing to play that fast with a simple finger bounce stroke. I really think Jojo could beat that with his push-pull technique though. And yes, WFD should support creativity and innovation by allowing any technique, as long as they divide the categories: singles, doubles, traditional, etc...
they have fastest doubles and paradiddles dood, check out some of their sites. mangini's record was single strokes so is machine's records. push pull is a double stroke.
Hmmm, that's good to know about Steve's record. That ups the ante a good bit! I'll put a video up when I beat 1114 and let Steve take the title back if he wants to repost his video as proof. And we'll go from there. Yes, I've heard Jojo has an amazing foot, so I'd love to know how he would score too. I imagine he could beat Mangini's hands singles record of 1247 too.
Those beaters are designed to be used either way, felt for a soft attack, plastic for a sharp attack. Anytime you're playing very fast you need a punctual attack to bring out the separation of notes.
Thanks, yes I am planning a few more videos. I'll be putting them up as I beat the records. The 15 minute will be a breeze to beat. That 1,114 of yours has been quite a challenge but I think I'll cross that line any day now and will post a video when I do. I hit 1102 two days ago. Also I think I can beat Tim Waterson's 1 foot/1 minute record of 650. I'm pretty sure this is a world record too. Then I can start making some videos of actual musical drumset playing. So yes, lot's on the way.
Amazing! I don't think I have ever seen anybody perform double bass heel toe in a single stroke roll!!!! Really great video, I loved the background music! I agree with you on your comment about it would be more entertaining if the WFD let these and other kind of techniques in their competitions. My compliments! It looked like you were on your way to maybe the 15 minute record at the end!!!
Hey, thanks for watching. Yeah, I've never seen or heard of anyone that plays heel-toe singles either. I had been practicing heel-toe double strokes for years and could barely break 900 bpm. But I discovered when I just alternated the strokes evenly I could play over 500 beats per foot. So i worked on the coordination and pedal settings for a while and this is the result!
considering he beat him by over 500 strokes, I think it's safe to say he beat Mike like a rented mule. Quite an accomplishment! If he were at comps, he would have beat him by more that 500 strokes. You act like it's completely crazy for someone to post a record attempt without going to comps but the reality is that if Mike Mallais watches this he will question if he is the fastest.
Great! But as longtime WFD guys know, world records aren't official on youtube. You have to do it at a comp. That's why my official 5 min. hands world record is only 5132. Problem is the double triggering with unmonitored bass drum set ups as to be off by hundreds of strokes. I recall Lord Marco's claims of a feet world record in 1986, and never getting to within 300 strokes of it in comps. No direspect to this fine effort, but all of us with these skills set world records at home. But good job.
I'll just address the double triggering aspect. Before I make any world record attempt, I make sure the drumometer is calibrated correctly by playing at tempo with each foot one at a time for 15 seconds. If the count is exact or less than it should be, and you are hitting every beat, then it is not double triggering. If anything, my drumometer is not sensitive enough, and defininitely cost me a few beats over 5 minutes.
Cool
Maconochiejohn 1 week ago
My favourite part was 0:34
graduator08 3 months ago
Which video has no triggers?
BurnThePope0514 4 months ago
U know speed is great 4 showin off & stuff, but how could u make a song outta that? Could u even play that fast while playin with a band? I'm not tryin 2 bash ur record cuz I can't do that, but if u can play that fast with a band then please let me know so I'll shut up. Lol
MrMetaldrummer777 5 months ago
@MrMetaldrummer777 This is pushing it as hard as i can so its sloppy and uneven. But the point was to get the maximum number of beats in. If I was playing in a band I would slow down a little bit so im not maxing out and would be able to play evenly. A good thing about these exercises is that you play faster than you ever would in a song, so that when you play a little bit slower for a song, its a lot easier and you wont mess up when you're under pressure to perform. practice harder than u play
Dreammotive 5 months ago
Yeah its faster than what George plays,but I dont think George has ever claimed to be the fastest,he has enough speed and power for the music he plays and I`m sure he can get even faster if he wants to,but in death metal drumming George is still unmatched
Thomasgipsy 5 months ago
@Thomasgipsy George doesnt claim to be the fastest, but he bashes drummers that are faster than him and says they arent drumming just because they use a lighter stroke to get more speed out of it. Plus, Im not the one that brings it up someone else always compares me to him
Dreammotive 5 months ago
George Kollias would call you a cheater!
xxmlhedxx 11 months ago
@xxmlhedxx And I (correctly) call him slower
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xxmlhedxx 11 months ago
@Dreammotive OUCH thats a bold statement.. i think u need to check you ego! cause without triggers what your doin would vertually be useless since no one could here that.. it would be like tappin a drum with you fingers that was triggered to make it loud! u aint fast...
xxmlhedxx 11 months ago
@xxmlhedxx It has nothing to do with ego. Its a simple fact that I have demonstrated drumming speeds faster than anything Kollias has. Check out my video called "(was) the fastest double bass on youtube" and you'll see im not using triggers but the volume is plenty loud and it's, again, faster than anything Kollias has demonstrated publicly. Sure, Kollias could play at 250-270 bpm louder than me but he hasnt learned the art of trading power 4 speed thats needed to play the really high speeds
Dreammotive 11 months ago
@Dreammotive maybe you are faster than kollias, but, you know? your double bass is too dirty, you have no precision, all you do, is tapping the bass drum, you are not a drummer.
JackhammerDrummer45 9 months ago
@JackhammerDrummer45 of course I dont have precision when im playing as fast as possible. but if i slow down to a kollias level i can play evenly enough. I demonstrate that in my musical performance video when i play at 250 bpm quite precisely (in the feet) I realize the overall performance is not exquisitely precise. But I do a lot more than tap bass drums. I have a degree in percussion & have studied it more than you have so i can say with some authority that I actually am a drummer
Dreammotive 9 months ago
@Dreammotive Im sure GK would be doing alot more strokes than you do, but at least he's drumming and able to keep up his speed to a proper beat, which i dont really believe you do.
sebbimon 7 months ago
@Dreammotive
Do you have any other music besides your AWSOME cover of the Contera song. Also wondering Y U thing Contra is better than Metal Slug.
PirateTravisJohnson1 5 months ago
@PirateTravisJohnson1 Ive got other music but not anything with video to it. it takes a lot of work to make a video. I havent actually played metal slug but in the pictures ive seen the graphics look really good. Glad you enjoyed the cover song.
Dreammotive 5 months ago
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@xxmlhedxx thats some might bold words for someone that only relies on triggers for sound!
xxmlhedxx 11 months ago
Mine is so slow i just started doinq in it That way but his sick not that bad :) Good drummer right here Those Pedals are extremely expensive for no reason ! -__- BASTARDS
anaidem 1 year ago
I´m sorry man, but its terrible.
tiagoshade 1 year ago
@tiagoshade just setting a bar for the record, I didnt care what it sounded like.
Dreammotive 1 year ago 2
@Dreammotive
you should care no?? Afterall - it's supposed to be music ..........right ?
STIXAHOY 1 year ago
@STIXAHOY not for this video. some people drum for sport these days and this is an entry into that field. I have a video of a musical performance if you'd like to check it out.
Dreammotive 1 year ago
@STIXAHOY not for this video. some people drum for sport these days and this is an entry into that field. I have a video of a musical performance if you'd like to check it out.
Dreammotive 1 year ago
suena mal..........
Estebansouza 1 year ago
@Estebansouza its not supposed to sound good its a speed demonstration
Dreammotive 1 year ago
@Dreammotive any kind of musical demostration has to sound good.....coordination, control, even speed............
Estebansouza 1 year ago
@Estebansouza its not a musical demonstration. There is no artistic expression in this at all. It is a speed demonstration. Its a sport, a competition, not an art. You could be the highest jumper in the world and that would be a sport, or you could use that technique for a very artistic and impressive dance move. The two fields overlap. This video demonstrates only the sporting side.
Dreammotive 1 year ago
@Dreammotive THEN DON'T DO YOUR DEMOSTRATION WITH A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT.....
Estebansouza 1 year ago
@Estebansouza The sport of speed drumming requires the use of musical instruments. You're just going to have to accept that. Its really not that atrocious.
Dreammotive 1 year ago
@Dreammotive NEVER.
Estebansouza 1 year ago
damn.
Karmakameleeon 1 year ago
DANGGGGGGGG u shattred that previous record
david231398 1 year ago
DANGGGGGGGG
david231398 1 year ago
nice socks :D
LittleMrRandom 1 year ago
He Should dance Tango Too!
Fafazaum1 1 year ago
heel toe is a double stroke technique
Stoerfishprojekt 1 year ago
@Stoerfishprojekt yep, and it is also a single stroke technique, as demonstrated here.
Dreammotive 1 year ago
Wow...nice, but there's the problem with the sound volume, it wouldn't be heard in a gig.
snakeguyfin 1 year ago
@snakeguyfin I dont believe you can say that because you weren't in the room when I recorded it. The volume is a matter of turning your computer speakers up or down. If I was at a gig I could easily adjust the bass mic to where everyone could hear it anyway, since every drummer outside of jazz mics their drums for live shows its a commonly understood procedure.
Dreammotive 1 year ago
if you don't understand that music is about interpretation, you'll never be a good musician, stop gloating/complaining and get a music teacher (or a real one) because all of you really don't understand music.
lokeynot 1 year ago
@KadaverInzest Really? cause I'd love to see someone play 16ths at over 290 bpm for a minute straight. Where can I see these skills on video?
Dreammotive 1 year ago 3
do it in single strokes not the heel toe
nickmeadrums 2 years ago
This is heel toe single strokes. you can do doubles or singles with it.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
EPIC!!!
Neverlast0 2 years ago
I think it's a tad less impressive since it's a heel toe pedal, but anyway what I am saying I could never do that even with 3 feet and a heel toe for each.
DisposableHeroes0 2 years ago
im not very impressed if its not accurate. just kinda impressed.
rsok 2 years ago
Well, it's exactly 97.44 % accurate. 5,106 out of a maximum 5,240. What level of accuracy impresses you?
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Haha, that would be pretty hard to play on a rock band pedal. I admire your courage in attempting that. It's much easier on an axis pedal for starters. Then use the heel for one stroke followed by the toes doing a stroke and repeat the pattern in a continuous rocking motion. It may actually work on a rock band pedal. But i dont know. I dont have one.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
I suppose i could but im not really into covers. I like to make up my own drum parts to things. It would be a lot of hard work to learn all the parts and Im just not that much of a metallica fan.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
by quite a large margin, yes
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Max Kolesne se come vivo a este tipo... miren las canciones de Krisium!!! este record esta roto por Max hace años!!
losmonjes 2 years ago
Yo no lo creo. Haga sus cálculos. Es más de 255 latidos por minuto durante 5 minutos consecutivos. Kolesne nunca ha hecho nada parecido a eso.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
How tight are the springs? How tight and dampened is the drumhead? Also, how close you keep the beaters to the head?
Nice workout and congrats!!
PabloJ1968 2 years ago
The springs are fairly loose. If max speed is your goal, set them to just tight enough to pull the beater back in time for the next hit at an even distance. The drum head is just a little tighter than a few fractional turns on each lug after the wrinkles come out. The head is dampened well, being touched in all places by cloth pressed against it, but not actually pushing the head outward. For all out speed runs like this the beaters are set about 3 inches away when feet are off the pedal.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Thanks for your reply. I´ll be working on it. Keep up the good work.
PabloJ1968 2 years ago
You're welcome. But one more thing- the tightness and dampening of the head is to get the drumometer to count right. I dont really know how that effects the speed of playing. If you're not using a drumometer then set the head up to what feels best to you.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
didn't you friken brake ur drumz doin this shit???....
rockbandxpertXD 2 years ago
No man i do this about every day and that bass drum head has been hit millions of times but they keep lasting!
Dreammotive 2 years ago
i love this music
hobosrock1122 2 years ago
I use 1 bass drum for 2 reasons: 1.Saves money: Why buy another bass drum when you dont need it. 2. It takes extra space and would make it impossible to keep my hihat right next the left bass pedal which useful for some intricate work between the 2 and playing both hihat and bass with the same foot at the same time.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Two bass drums usually sound better. There isn't as much resonance as a double pedal because the hits are not on the same drum head. I don't think that really matter though when you are using triggers. Of course, I don't even use two bass drums. I use a double pedal also.
KDMaz 2 years ago 2
Yeah, when playing acoustic 2 bass drums will always sound fuller because 1 is resonating while the other is being hit. With one bass drum, every other stroke is dampening the one before so in a 16th note run you have about half the tone as you would with 2 drums. there is also a point where if you get too fast a single bass drum head can not respond fast enough to get a full tone before the next hit and then either 2 drums or triggers is imperative.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
i've been doing some 5 minute runs lately and man it's hard but it helps!
thelinearpractiseday 2 years ago
Yeah, it will make your legs hurt in ways you never imagined! Try the 15 and you'll be begging for mercy!
Dreammotive 2 years ago
and dont forget its a pain in the rear to tune your other bass drum to sound in sync with your first bass drum :)
HSteadyDrummer 2 years ago
wow are u guys drumer ? if so wtf complaining about what other drumers do wow get a fukin life lol we are musician we all got our way of doin stuff if u dont like it just stfu lol
AcadianFragz 2 years ago 7
No offense but this isn't a show of much... If it was tight and not so erratic or sloppy it'd be okay but seriously, what's the use of doing such speeds if you'll never put it to a metronome where it sounds good...
DagonMetalMusic 2 years ago
Because it trains you to play evenly at lower speeds when you force yourself to play at maximum for long periods of time. George Kollias has a similar workout that he uses to train. Another point is to bring about competition and sport which promotes excellence in performance skills.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
AH! Axis pedals are made for speed!
fallenlino 2 years ago
Sure are! I wouldn't play anything else!
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Yeah heeltoe has always been a double stroke until now. But that's kind of the point of these videos is to show that heel-toe singles are the way to go. I don't know where you're seeing each beater hit twice before the other but actually for every right side stroke there is one on the left with a pattern of RLRLRLRL.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
I agree with ultimatetrashattack
eliabonzo 2 years ago
this is no drumming :s
UltimateThrashAttack 2 years ago
thats why they love triggers!
hahah!
this is so lame...
fast but not with power
fast but not accurate...
druGOREredeemer 2 years ago
nice socks
guitarkingalfie 2 years ago 12
wow nice job
XxbluedevilzxX 2 years ago 4
Look kinda Retarded :P but ur good :)
Phead123 2 years ago
Haha well I spend all my time getting the speed up so there's no time to improve the looks of things.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Man that is so crazy!
thelinearpractiseday 2 years ago 2
and your feet don't fall off? thats impressive!
ikjeweetwel 2 years ago
This is impressive. It would interest me to see a video of how fast you are without heel toe. if that seemed sarcastic it wasn't. if you posted a video like that i would enjoy watching it.
drummerd3395 2 years ago
Well if your curious as to how I would fare using other techniques I can admit to you that Im not nearly as fast. Whenever I play intricate patterns I use mostly heels down singles but for continuous speed over 200 bpm I have to have my heel-toes. 1 thing I want people to get from my videos is that HT is probably the best speed technique. I think people waste good time trying to get fast with other techs as I did before discovering it. Im not versatile like Tim Waterson, I only do one tech well.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Do you play the rest of the set or just the bass drum? lol
lilleeman64 2 years ago
When going for records, just the bass drum. I'm working on a full drumset video right now, can't say when i'll have it up.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
So if the world record for spitting a raisin is 25 feet, and I go to my backyard and spit one 30 feet, you're saying that I did not beat the world record? I disagree with your logic. A record beaten is a record beaten. There could be a guy in his basement who just scored 5,500 in this event and he would be the true record holder. Only he didn't get it on video or do it in front of someone. The only difference is level of exposure. I claim this as a record because there is no known higher score.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
I'm siding with you, Dreammotive if for eg. you demonstrate and prove that the winds and atmospheric conditions are within competition standards. If you honestly beat the world record under competition standards, then you honestly beat the world record. Full stop. Just don't expect anyone to believe you until they see it with their own eyes since we are all a cynical Still, I do think some of the naysayers should put their money where their mouth is and come forward with a drum off on video!!!
graxxor 2 years ago
Well thank you. And you're right I can't make people believe it so the best proof I can offer right now is a video. I would love for some people to hit me back with a video of higher scores. I've been trying to get some online competition going but no one bites. Even if they can't beat my score I'd still like to see someone else attempt.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Suppose you wanted to set the world record for the longest frisbee throw. So you go to a field with distance markers and toss it out there farther than anyone has thrown one before, and caught it all on film. You could then truthfully claim to have the record for frisbee throws despite the fact that no referee was there to verify it. So yes it is a world record. By the strict definition it is not official, because drum counting officials are hard to find and there were none at my house that day.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
WOO!
TheShadyPenguin 2 years ago
My Personal Records
1 second, 1 foot = 12
please explain.
ReeceRAWR 2 years ago
Yes, I don't know if people really care to try and beat this record but I think it's a cool one to try. You just see how fast you can get your one foot moving for only one second and count the beats. So far I've managed to hit 12 in a second using the drumometer to count playing with my right foot only. I imagine there are people out there who can hit 13 or 14 and I would love to see it. Thanks for watching and feel free to ask if you need more clarification.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
dont wanna seem pushy but 12 in a second seems amazing to me, if you could post a video it would be great :)
ReeceRAWR 2 years ago
Awesome! I'm glad you're interested in this stuff. I didn't think anyone would care about a 1 second record but I'll try to get a video up within a few days so you can see it. I'll also try really hard to see if i can cram 13 beats into that second.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Thanks a lot :D
ReeceRAWR 2 years ago
I put up a one second record video if you haven't noticed yet.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
You're mistaken. Every beat is followed by a beat from the opposite foot. There is never more than one beat in a row from each foot. 100% pure single strokes.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Well then you play heel toe differently from most drummers. (As do I, actually.) Most drummers, to my knowledge, play left Heel, left Toe, right Heel, right toe. (not necessarily starting with left, but you get my point.) I play it left heel, right heel, left toe, right toe. Which is how you appear to play. So some people will count it as single strokes, some will count it as double.
VFB1210 2 years ago
Wow, I'm surprised you play with the same technique, well that makes two of us. Would you happen to know any famous drummers that use heeltoe as a single stroke? Maybe you are one? Yes I follow your pattern but i generally lead with the right heel, not left. People can say what they want to but by textbook definition it is a single stroke. It can't be correctly described any other way. Thanks for your input though. Any videos of you using this similar technique?
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Really I just play whats easier for me. I could never really get down the RR LL RR LL technique. And I'm not sure of any famous drummers that play heel toe like that. (Much less for me being one. I'm actually only a 15 year old that has only lately gotten serious about drumming!) And I would LOVE to be able to upload vids of me drumming, but 1. My camera is broken, and 2. Current living conditions prevent me from having a full drumset.
VFB1210 2 years ago
Oh man I'm sorry you dont have a camera or a full drumset. I was dying to play drums at exactly age 15 as well but I finally got a full set at age 16. The best day was when I got my axis pedal and I knew that poor equipment was no longer an excuse for me. But you're way ahead with those heel-toe single strokes. I only discovered that this year. Practice that for years to come and you'll be amazing with it!
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Yeah. But I tend to practice straight heel up or swivel technique when I can. I have trouble keeping my strokes even with the heel toe method. (but then again, practice does make perfect!) It tends to come out into separated sets of four when I start going too fast. So are Axis pedals really all they're cracked up to be? I'd like to use a set in the future (either that or maybe some Trick Pro 1-Vs) and I'm just curious as I've never been able to check them out in person.
VFB1210 2 years ago
The heeltoe singles are very hard to keep even. You can see in my video above that the speed is not really the challenge for me but the coordination as I end up flamming and stuff which costs you points on the drumometer. Just make sure you practice each foots singles seperately, to your top speed, then startover practicing with both, starting at a speed thats controllable.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Axis pedals are everything that people say they are, perfectly smooth, fastest, and highly customizable. I havent't tried the trick pedals but they look equivalent to an axis in quality, It appears to have a very similar design so the longboards set should serve you well. If axis pedals disappeared from earth I would immediately get a trick double for a replacement.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Yeah. Honestly though, I'm leaning slightly more to buying a Trick pedal rather than Axis, mostly due to the stroke adjustment cluster and independent beater angle and footboard height. I also like the fact that everything can be changed with a standard drum key as opposed to 2 or 3 sizes of Allen keys.
VFB1210 2 years ago
Well go for it then. I can hardly imagine the trick pedal not being satisfactory for you. But it does cost quite a bit more than axis. But get either one and I believe you'll have all the pedal power you need.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Yes, they do. But they still cost a good deal less than things from some of my other hobbies. Although before I buy I really would like to get a chance to try each pedal, but I'd doubt that would happen.
Either way for now I'm just going to stick to a cheap PDP double pedal until I have enough money to buy one or the other.
VFB1210 2 years ago
Really? What other expensive hobbies do you have? I think you can get by with the PDP. Really the biggest advantage to high-end pedals is the long-board option.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
That's good to hear. And my other expensive hobby is model railroading. Sure, you can go and buy a regular train set for $50, but those are utter crap. A really well running and looking diesel engine can run over $100-$175, and a good steam engine can be over $250. Trust me, good models=good money.
VFB1210 2 years ago
what in the hell are you talking about
themafia85 2 years ago
A variety of subjects related to speed drumming, what are you talking about?
Dreammotive 2 years ago
basically what i'm saying is , change your title of this movie, you didn't shatter nothing. you have to do non heel toe to beat machine's record.
ogskeetdizzle 2 years ago
I'm sorry my claim upsets you but this I still say it's the record for single strokes in 5 minutes. Guido Wyss is amazing, but he uses a quad pedal so that doesn't count. Tim Waterson is definitely the champ of heel-toe doubles but this is a contest of single strokes alternating RLRL and having continuous true strokes.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
heel toe is not singles, i was just reading your info on the vid, they are doubles, if ppl could set the same type of record as this using doubles it would be way crazier than what you're doing, check out tim waterson's heel toe, or guido wyss at 300bpm lol. heel toe is not single strokes, you never beat anyone's record.
ogskeetdizzle 2 years ago
oh and by the way machine plays in my buddy's band and they fuckin pwn
ogskeetdizzle 2 years ago
Any videos of them on youtube? I'd love to hear it!
Dreammotive 2 years ago
the record was set using single strokes there bud, sorry, but you never beat anyone, your doing heel toe, which guido wyss owns anyone's ass at heel toe, check him out on sickdrummer or on here. peace. and keep practicing.
ogskeetdizzle 2 years ago
Mangini's technique for that record is so strange. I can't control the stick at all at only a centimeter from the head. It's really amazing to play that fast with a simple finger bounce stroke. I really think Jojo could beat that with his push-pull technique though. And yes, WFD should support creativity and innovation by allowing any technique, as long as they divide the categories: singles, doubles, traditional, etc...
Dreammotive 2 years ago
they have fastest doubles and paradiddles dood, check out some of their sites. mangini's record was single strokes so is machine's records. push pull is a double stroke.
ogskeetdizzle 2 years ago
Fucking awesome, man. Congrats!
lakerfan82k3 2 years ago
Hmmm, that's good to know about Steve's record. That ups the ante a good bit! I'll put a video up when I beat 1114 and let Steve take the title back if he wants to repost his video as proof. And we'll go from there. Yes, I've heard Jojo has an amazing foot, so I'd love to know how he would score too. I imagine he could beat Mangini's hands singles record of 1247 too.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
are youre beaters backwards?
scooterman14 2 years ago
Those beaters are designed to be used either way, felt for a soft attack, plastic for a sharp attack. Anytime you're playing very fast you need a punctual attack to bring out the separation of notes.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
thanks cuz my baeters are just like that
:)
scooterman14 2 years ago
Pretty awesome stuff! Do you have plans to put out another video?
thelinearpractiseday 2 years ago
Thanks, yes I am planning a few more videos. I'll be putting them up as I beat the records. The 15 minute will be a breeze to beat. That 1,114 of yours has been quite a challenge but I think I'll cross that line any day now and will post a video when I do. I hit 1102 two days ago. Also I think I can beat Tim Waterson's 1 foot/1 minute record of 650. I'm pretty sure this is a world record too. Then I can start making some videos of actual musical drumset playing. So yes, lot's on the way.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Amazing! I don't think I have ever seen anybody perform double bass heel toe in a single stroke roll!!!! Really great video, I loved the background music! I agree with you on your comment about it would be more entertaining if the WFD let these and other kind of techniques in their competitions. My compliments! It looked like you were on your way to maybe the 15 minute record at the end!!!
thelinearpractiseday 2 years ago
Hey, thanks for watching. Yeah, I've never seen or heard of anyone that plays heel-toe singles either. I had been practicing heel-toe double strokes for years and could barely break 900 bpm. But I discovered when I just alternated the strokes evenly I could play over 500 beats per foot. So i worked on the coordination and pedal settings for a while and this is the result!
Dreammotive 2 years ago
considering he beat him by over 500 strokes, I think it's safe to say he beat Mike like a rented mule. Quite an accomplishment! If he were at comps, he would have beat him by more that 500 strokes. You act like it's completely crazy for someone to post a record attempt without going to comps but the reality is that if Mike Mallais watches this he will question if he is the fastest.
naa357 2 years ago
Great! But as longtime WFD guys know, world records aren't official on youtube. You have to do it at a comp. That's why my official 5 min. hands world record is only 5132. Problem is the double triggering with unmonitored bass drum set ups as to be off by hundreds of strokes. I recall Lord Marco's claims of a feet world record in 1986, and never getting to within 300 strokes of it in comps. No direspect to this fine effort, but all of us with these skills set world records at home. But good job.
MSmithjazz 2 years ago
I'll just address the double triggering aspect. Before I make any world record attempt, I make sure the drumometer is calibrated correctly by playing at tempo with each foot one at a time for 15 seconds. If the count is exact or less than it should be, and you are hitting every beat, then it is not double triggering. If anything, my drumometer is not sensitive enough, and defininitely cost me a few beats over 5 minutes.
Dreammotive 2 years ago