I was an exchange student in Japan for about 2 years, and I was there when this happened. What you said is spot-on.
And on top of that, these chinese seemed to equate having a sense of national pride to aggression; they were in a trance...a kind of tribal behaviour in its most primitive form.
I admire the zone of civilization that was considered "china," but the day these people become a dominant decision maker (ie USA,UK, or Japan) will a sad day indeed.
Wow i never thought I agree with you, you are right, ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! So keep the fuck shut up, generic americunt hypocrite. Oh btw god is dead
During this rally, Zenkoji temple in Nagano city bravely withdrew from hosting of the starting point of the torch relay, and the head priest expressed his protest about the oppression to the Buddhists in Tibet. What's really laughable is that most people waiving this blood soaked flag in foreign countries don't go back to their own country. Because they know themselves that the fag is still sucking blood.
funnily enough the only side waving american flags during the torch relay in america was the chinese side. how bout that. the hippies and liberal retards where only waving tibetan flags. Hows that for waving a foreign flag in another country
The flag can be broken, be burnt by the Chinese South Korean, it strike, the window is broken, and it occurs really in Japan when the national flag of Japan is decorated. The national anthem is also the same.
But the torch is an international sports event , and supporters were waving Chinese and Japanese flags. While the free tibet people were only waving the former Tibetan flag.
Strangely enough, your name contradicts your views. China is only Communist by name. Its very clear that they're a Semi-Totalitarian Capitalist state, not a Communist state. If you'd read some Marx, you'd know what a Communist country is and is not.
If you really want to live up to your name, I suggest that you take a more neutral stance than "Communists are disrespectful!" or "Communists are evil!" cause thats propaganda too y'know!
But I agree, highly disrespectful of those Chinese.
China is at this point Communist in name only. They're like a mutant semi-Capitalist state now. That's why we owe them so much money and they make most of our products. The scary thing is that we'd never survive a boycott of them.
Like Russia during the 90s, they're not communist, they're more corporatist at this point. On the back of child labor, the government rules the country.
I'm not defending Communism with a "no true Scotsman" fallacy, I'm saying they're a mutant state
@MyTotalRemedy - I understand their economy is more capitilist than the USA. But it does not take away from the fact their government is run totally by The Communist Party of China.
Not a communist? Then you are not part of their government.
Since this video was made I now refer to China, not as "Communist China," but "Commie-led China."
I'm not defending Communism. China's corporatist, although as you differentiate they're led by the Communist Party. Isn't it scary that we basically depend on them like life support? I wish we weren't so co-dependent on China. Do we have Nixon, Kissinger, or whoever to blame for that or what?
@MyTotalRemedy - I blame the Clintons and Wal-Mart. Both Clintons accepted campaign money from the Chinese Commie military. Nuclear secrets were stolen from Chinese commie agents. It was Clinton who allowed American corporations to sell China technology needed to manifest those secrets. Wal-Mart, during the Clinton administration, shipped factories to China. Plus the environmentalist who make it impossible to manufacture anything in the USA. Their next target is our agriculture output.
Capitalism is just an economic model not a social model. They are a totalitarian state, not "semi," socially, and their economy is what they call "socialism with Chinese characteristics" which is basically code for socialist. Over 1/3 of the economy is owned by the government, mostly the biggest industries like steal and coal. You can call it what you want but its socialism/communism straight up.
You said in one of your comments that you were bashing the communist regime not the peoples of China. You say however that the Chinese are waving communist flags in Nagano. I'm just wondering if those people waving flags are those despised communists you hate so much? Also, I've seen a lot of American flags in foreign nations aswell. These Americamns in foreign nation carry big guns along with flags. Isn't that disrespectful?
I do not know if the Chinese waiving Chinese flags were communist or not. But I do know, those who instructed them to do so, and bused them there, are communist. As for your last question, it only deserves to be ignored. Hope you do not mind.
So its totally rude and disrespectful for the "Communists" to do it, but the moment Americans do it, we should ignore it? Thats pretty hypocritical of you. Live up to your name, man!
forrestpg257: You mistakenly interchange China bashing with Communist bashing as the two are not interchangeable. You never heard me bash the good people of China. But you will hear me bash communism and communist anywhere in the world it or they exist. It just so happens this video is about the communist thugs in Beijing. Why would I want to visit a nation where I would have to be in fear of what I say might offend the insecure commies?
Can you suggest a fair and balanced news media for me to base my opinions on?
Also the opinions stated in this video were based on the videos showing the Communist flag Nagano. The video of all those flags in Nagano did not require any interpretation and it was free of any bias as seeing is believing.
Have you looked at your nation's flag since 1949? There are five yellow stars, four small, and one very large star. Do you know what the representation is of that one large star? It represents the Communist Party of China. Shrink that star or remove it, then perhaps your above comment may be correct. However I am willing to concede, your economy is capitalist, but your government is Communist.
Exactly, the flag's star represents the Communist Party, which is Communist only in name. In communism, the gov owns all the land and distributes it among the people. Does the Chinese gov own land and distribute it among the ppl? Not since the 70s. China's gov might be socialist, but not communist.
Okay there are 50 stars on the USA flag, one for each state in the Union. Now if Texas leaves the Union, then there will be 49 stars on the flag. If communism is dead in China, then would you not think that large yellow star should be removed? When communism collapsed in the Soviet Union, the new Russian flag dropped the star, hammer, and sickle.
Like I said, China is communist ONLY IN NAME, which is something symbolic, and flags are just something symbolic, it does not have to represent a gov system.
The USSR flag was removed bcz the USSR ceased to exist, where in China that did not happen, in China only gov system changed, and it changed from within the CCP, so CCP still exists as a "communist" gov while its policies are obviously not communist.
Then what do you call it when your non-communist government suppresses free speech, suppressing people peacefully assembling, suppressing and/or controlling religion out of fear, and the suppression to regress your government for any grievances?
I call it BAD, of course! But you have to understand that China is hard to govern bcz it has so many people, so more control is needed to ensure social stability. But what does that have to do with China being communist anyway? My original comment was that China is no longer communist, which is true, and you start talking about something else. I find it very ignorant when ppl imply that everything Chinese is communist, especially when westerners are so paranoid of communism.
You have earned my respect, I do understand what you write. When I wrote the things in the above comment, they were examples of behaviors related to communist governments historically. I do not see everything in China as being communist, only the government. We in the west do not fear communism as we fear the lost of basic liberties we take for granted in the USA and not permitted in China. I do need to tell you, wow you are one smart person as your English is excellent and articulate.
But there's no "non-communist chinese flag"... This is the "default" chinese flag. Aren't u mistaking with another one (the one we see in the chinese national assembly)? I think that even if China has to become a democratic country they won't change their flag.
Are you aware the red Chinese flag with the four small yellow stars and one large yellow star is a communist flag? That large yellow star was put there in 1949 to represent the Communist Party of China. So if they ever dump the communist, then the star should be dumped.
Just say what ever u want. U just don't like chinese and communist, that's all. When chinese are waving this flag they don't think about communism one bit, all they have in mind is that it's the flag that represents China, their nation, and that Red is the colour of wealth and fortune in their culture. The communist flag is represented by a hammer with a scyth. You'll see it in China only during political meetings.
So apparently you are as ignorant of your flag as you are of my feelings. Please show me where I ever said anything negative about the people of China. Most of my negative statements are towards the ideology of communism and communist. Big deal I do not like communist. I also do not like communist born and raised in America.
Please understand I am controlling my reply as not to insult you at your very young and tender age. Are you aware Russia is not communist? If you do not like my use of the word stupid, may I suggest you do not watch my videos? Because I enjoy using that word recklessly. Did I call you stupid? No, so do not worry about it.
But chinese just can't let the flame pass with around only anti-chinese tibetan flags. If they keep they mouth shut then how can they show to their country they're supporting them since medias around the world are all anti-chinese now? What's more it is the first time chinese are demonstrating in foreign countries, please be indulgent.
well i guess the chinese may have wave the olympic flag and japanese flag together with the chinese flag if the torch relay isnt so politicalised in the first place since after Paris and London... since then for the chinese its about preventing a repeat by numbers and alot of patriotism/nationalism..
himajin143: excellent observation, while I am very patriotic, I am not a nationalist. Many people confuse the two to be the same, while they are both entirely different.
Shame! One thing: you can't really call China Communist anymore(sadly). Since 1976 they have been 'communist' in name only. They are total capitalists roaders now... maybe someday the REAL COMMUNISTS of the PRC will take back power. Then there might be hope for the world./// LONG LIVE THE PEOPLE'S REVOLUTION!!!
There are 4 small stars and one large star on China's flag. The large star represents the Communist Party. Remove that large star, and I will stop saying "communist China."
You are unbelievably biased. I don't even know when to begin. I hope you enjoyed your stay in Japan. And when you mentioned about disrepectfulness, what about Tibetans waving their "flag" in other nations? Is that not "shameful" according to you? Please bust that.
Mikeybikey88: Thank you so much for bringing up the issue of the Tibetan flag. You see, when the Chinese students waive the Chinese national flag in Japan as a form of protest/support in the streets of that nation, they are waiving a flag of an established nation. According to you and most of China, Tibet is not a nation and never was independent. So the Tibetan flags do not represent a nation as the Chinese flag represents a nation. See, so there is a difference.
That article seems to read as if to neutralize Japan's ability to engage in international hostilities. I do not see where it would prohibit your nation from deporting disrespectful outsiders who run unchecked in your nation. Please correct me if I am in error.
When someone mentions about Article 9 of the Constitution in our country, there is a strong likelihood of him talking about the "Spirit of Article 9"-- in other words "Nonviolence".
"Spirit of Article 9" includes the Preamble to the Constitution in broad sense, which says
"...We, the Japanese people...have determined to preserve our security and existence, trusting in the justice and faith of the peace-loving peoples of the world..."
Trusting peace-loving CCP, DPRK and Neo Red Guards...OMG
That is the preamble of your Constitution? Who was responsible for that? "...trusting in the justice and faith of the peace-loving peoples of the world...." What world? Mars? Please understand I agree the goal may have been noble, but perhaps that article and preamble may want to be revisited by the people of Japan. Am I correct in thinking General MacArthur's staff wrote the Constitution? If that is correct, perhaps a change is in order.
Yes the constitution was written by GHQ officers rather than Japanese by ourself.
Liberals in Japan (Socialists and Communists) do not like any idea of changing it (since 1955). Those socialists and communists do not agree with Japanese logistic support to the US forces in Iraq, currently supplied by JASDF.
It seems like political correctness has infected Japan as it has the USA. Or perhaps your political leaders have been purchased by the Chinese as they purchased the United States Congress. Both Japan and the USA suffer from having weak political leaders.
lol... weak political leaders dont tried to change constitution, set up missile defence system, fight wars, support some organisation to undermine competitors, etc....
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I never said they were. But even Japanese history says so.
Tell that to the tributary missions that the Japanese historically sent to China for centuries to get on their knees and kowtow before the emperor to establish trade relations.
Japanese are not a mix of asians and jews, they're a mix of indigenous Japanese and immigrants from China during the Qin dynasty from a guy called Xu Fu. There's even a shrine in Japan for him, know your $hit before talking ignorant dumbf00k.
I understand what you pointed out. We should be fair. But I admit what PB said basically right. Because we cannot help admitting that Chinese with Japanese flags in Nagano were just "EXCEPTION" of them. As you say,we can just watch only videos now. But at least, ppl in JP could see almost all scenes along the street when the torch passed. And finally, we could find very few Chinese like that man with both flags. I could find nobody. Maybe I need a magnifying glass :p
Those big flags were in England, France, America, Argentina... and all the way to Japan. Why his video only mentioned the flags in Japan?
Is it because you know that Japan had a bad war history with China...I think you purposely brought up the "Big China flags in Japan" and tries to twist it around by implying that "China harassing Japan in Japan's turf"
I bet you know that Japanese would be sensitive to this....
Come on be serious, the torch relay in England, France, and America, were all over shadowed by the near violence, near riot atmosphere, and huge protest towards China. The Chinese flags in those nations could have been counted on Captain Hooks one hand. No video was necessary about those countries as the protestors were able to air their views.
While in Nagano, the Japanese did not perform nearly as the English, French, and Americans did. The Japanese were shut down by their police, and their news media. Looking at the videos from England, France, and America show a remarkable lack of Chinese flags. So by that are you saying more respect was shown to Europe and America, than to Japan by the Chinese?
cos the Chinese started to protest en masse in reaction to the anti China protest in Paris and London (and San Francisco to a certain extent)... there are chinese supporters in Paris and London but too small of a number to register a hit the western media... only after San Francisco has Chinese started to "turn the tide" by sheer numbers...
I can sense anger in Buster, when he deliberately emphasize the word "Communist", obviously he did that on purpose. I think his words was disrespectful to Chinese and misleading the viewers of this video.
Sometimes I found Buster's video amusing because he himself is spreading propaganda.
China would prefer to be refer as "China" or "Capitalist China".
I refer to the thugs in the Beijing national government as communist, not all the Chinese people. You know that is so because you can not find in any of my videos where I refer to all Chinese as being communist because all Chinese are not communist. I want to see the Chinese people prosper because communism can not survive among such prosperity. Are you trying to say the Communist Party does not run China? Next you will tell me Mao was not a communist.
I don't know why propagandabuster keep referring China as "Communist China" and Chinese students as "Communist". China hasn't been a Communist nation for over 20 more years.
Chinese students who's loyal to CPC and behaves outrageously="Communist"
Such a huge flag is too expensive for overseas students to afford and torch relay in Nagano was just a one-day-event. It is more likely that those flags were offered by their "sponsor".
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5969ddff, I have to say that undeniably Japanese (as a whole) have been the biggest Chinese basher on youtube. They even distort facts so they can make Chinese look bad. And knowing that Japanese were proud of killing over 25 million Chinese during WW2. I have to hate them as a whole, i simply can't help it.
ChineseNationalBroadcast just announced "The torch was welcomed so much being looked forward by Japanese, and it was finished for a GREAT SACCESS!! In this way,Chinese government has done fake info control depending on their circumstances, as they had done that in Tibet, Tiananmen, Nanking, and so on. I saw Chinese with message boards written "We need Truth" blaming CNN. But actually, the TRUTH is the most disgusting thing for the Communist executive officers of China.
Thanks for the video for us. I saw one Chinese man carrying both of Japanese and Chinese flags at 8:04, too. I guess he is a good person who respect another country he live in. But, he was only one Chinese among huge Chinese crowd waving huge number of Chinese flags. Then, this video still just shows that he is an "EXCEPTION" of Chinese. But I feel like appreciating your effort you made. Because I guess it wasn't so easy to find just one Chinese who wave Japanese small flags :p
Thanks to the link to that ONE video. Meaning no disrespect to you, but you were joking right?
That video is 9 minutes long filled with red communist flags throughout then at 8:03 to 8:09, about 6 seconds one or two Japanese flags drowning in a sea of red communist flags. That was a joke, right?
"most of the chinese people coming to Nagano recieved lots of support from chinese government." i dont think this is the case. many ppl drove there themselves. and many flags were ordered from oversea by students. i really doubt government is part of this. as a matter of fact, i read chinese newspaper in america, it says chinese government is trying to stop this. it is bit out of hand.
oh really? the Chinese intelligence/diplomatic agencies must be very efficient. maybe i have the benefit of hindsight but as the sichuan earthquake shows chinese patriotism(or nationalism to westerners) is real not becos of brainwashing or in the case of Chinese overseas students and residents where ccp brainwashing theory cant work cos they supposedly receive the "right" western education(they are dismissed as instead being paid). I thought u r supposed to bust propaganda not reinforce them
Not sure about death penalty, but it is so true that Chinese authority just banned making flags because it is illegal there.
Chinese students feel nationalism, it is ok as even in corrupted nation which has been growing it's economy by selling craps to us. They feel "honoured" as the Olympic games will be held, but I have never seen any Australian, Greek, Korean, American have been watching the torch relay with that manner.
The Free Tibet Flag made in China (article from BBC)
The factory owner reportedly told police the emblems had been ordered from outside China, and he did not know that they stood for an independent Tibet.
Workers who had grown suspicious checked the meaning of the flag by going online.
Thousands of flags had already been packed for shipping.
Police believe that some may already have been sent overseas, and could appear in Hong Kong during the Olympic torch relay there this week.
Tibetan flags, we have seen on every protests.. actually made in China. Of course the factory which was asked to print, did not the design of Tibetan flag. The Chinese authority recently busted the factory.. that news made my day (was 2 days ago.. on bbc).
Panda is the best Chinese diplomat who does not bring any nonsense!!
I know that Chinese government has been exaggerating the number of casualties and by stirring up hatred against outside world they succeeded in uniting their country. But is it fair to say that "it was nothing more and nothing less than a battle"?
Was execution of enemy soldiers disguised in civilian clothes, lawful? Some historians say "Yes", but some say "No". Did they not mistake some civilians for soldiers during the raid? Nobody can say for sure what really happened in Nanjing in 1937. (And what really happened in Lhasa a month ago too)
We'll have to wait for the fall of their communist government. That reminds me -it took the truth of Katyń massacre 50 years to come to light.
"Was execution of enemy soldiers disguised in civilian clothes, lawful? "
Do you think that Japanese soldiers should have waited until they were killed by soldiers in plain clothes in the battle field?
If you are truly a Japanese, you should or must know that all those Nanking propaganda ("Nanking Massacre" = "Rape of Nanking") is a tool for Communist China to hide ongoing their invasion of Tibet. It is a really dirty tool!
I know that so-called "Rape of Nanking" is propaganda. What I meant to say was: We cannot be sure if we can justify everything that happened in Nanking at that time, BECAUSE China is a communist country and in communist countries it is not the historians that decide the fact. It is their communist party that decides and no objection is accepted.
Foreign Citizens: More than 2.5 million (possibly higher because of the illegal immigrants), 14.9% up in five years. North and South Koreans 1 million, Chinese 0.5 million, Filipinos 0.5 million, and Brazilian 250,000 with others like Peruvian, American/Canadian, British, Indonesian, Thai, African and other nationals. Is this correct?
5)....Japan only was an atroucious fiend, but China was an innocent victim and the Allied Powers were justifiable?
Chinese friends, why don't you argue what Japan did in WWII on some other occasions, and let us argue what Chinese people should or should not do in foreign countries in celebration of Olympic torch relay.
maomikimirai: I tried to send you a message but you seem to have that function disabled. Can you please send me a message so I can reply to you with a few questions?
Umm.. wow.. dunno what to say with your breakthrough of the millenium.. you should try saying that in any university and see what grade you'll get for Asian history. Oops, of course you'll get an A in a Japanese university.
Go pick up a textbook by John Fairbank, or go research Nanking massacre online.. or maybe even the 731 experiments of Japan~ or maybe the race to executing 100 people by the Japanese, its even in Japanese newspaper archives! =) YAY! (copying PB's accent)
Nanking Massacre have been a hot topic in Japan since Japanese journalist Katsuichi Honda wrote a book called "Travel in China" in 1970.I remember watching the dispute over this topic on TV as a child in the 80s.
And a book about Unit 731 (by Seiichi Morimura) was published when I was in primary school, and this book also became a best seller in Japan (1981). One of my classmates actually brought the book to our classroom.
When I grew up I had chance to read books about "My Lai" and "Tiger Force" but that didn't give me a bad impression of USA because I noticed that all these books and reports were written by American journalists. I don't know if everything written in these books are true or not, but if it hadn't been for American journalists, I think none of these things had come to light.
So I thought there must had been many war crime committed by Chinese and Soviet military during WW2, Sino-Vietnamese War, Soviet-Afghan War, etc...only there were no Chinese/Russian journalist to report the details from Afghanistan or Tibet.
>of course you'll get an A in a Japanese university.
HaHaHa, so you're a BBC admirer too? Didn't you know that most of right-wing professors were expelled from Universities after WW2? It's strange that you say "Western media are liar" while you believe their story about Japanese children been brainwashed by their "re-written" textbooks. Japanese public schools are controlled by "Japan Teacher's Union", the LEFTISTS !
Hey, I'm glad you know much more than maomikimirai. Consequently, I have many friends who grew up in Japan not knowing the atrocities Japan did in WWII. Right-wing professors were gone but most of the militarist leaders of Japan were released from Tokyo Trials to fight America's cold war and build the wall of democracy? Lots of crap about the CCP will be shown once they fall. I'm not pro-China advocate so I don't care about pandas vs. diplomats, I think all politicians are super bs
3)....You want to say "It is not the number of victims that matters, Japan killed many people (mainly Chinese), do admit it"?
4)....Okay. if you say that killing is killing, let us talk about killing by China. China killed many Japanese civilians living in Shanghai and other cities (e.g. Tungchow Mutiny) first.
2)....The population of Nanking increased after the battle (about 200,000 in Dec. 1937 and 250,000 in Jan. 1938). Chinese army burnt wide areas surrounding Nanking, many Chinese civilians took shelter in Nanking; they knew Japanese army would not harm civilians.
Ur failing to state the general hatred Chinese have to Japanese from the two sino-japanese wars (Japanese occupation & Nanking Massacre ring a bell?) and that any Chinese with a common sense won't wave a Japanese flag (strangely, they will drive Hondas) The definition of respect to another country varies by culture. Chinese have historically seen themselves the head honcho of Asia, they see no reason not waving their flags in other countries. Ur judging Chinese behavior with Western standards.
So let's judge the Chinese actions in Nagano by your standards: You say Chinese have hatred for the Japanese. Then why so many Chinese in Japan working, living, and going to school among these hated people?
To justify waiving your red flag in another country as a form of protest / support is just plain disrespectful and arrogant. Is that how you are describing Chinese culture?
I am saying Chinese people have no respect to the Japanese based on historic reasons. Why don't you bring up Chinese flags were raised in Paris, London, San Fran, etc. Ppl protest and if you suppress them, they will protest the right to protest, leading to more protests. That's just the nature of free speech overseas.
Chinese put the past behind them so long as economic interests are tied to it. They're practical and worry about the NOW than the past, but that won't stop them from protesting.
Nanking Massacre?? so that is the only reason why those Chinese students who just showed their flag rather than both Chinese/Japanese flags to encourage the Japanese public to support them??
Nanking Massacre?
why do those Chinese students study in Japan, if they still blame us for that? Are they 80 years old?
takasito~ wtf are you talking about? you lost me there~ simply put, I dare you to raise a japanese flag in China and see what will happen to you. There lots of reasons why a modern Chinese will hate the Japanese if it does not affect economics. Did you not read my line about Chinese willing to drive Hondas? Sino-Japanese relations are awkward as long as business interests are into play. Chinese may still buy sony, study in japan, but they still hate the japanese gov't. Get that thru your head.
Oh no, The Stars & Strips is always welcome in Japan. Five-Starred Red Flag is also welcome, if only you don't wave them like crazy in front of other people and block their views.
What were you doing on the top of the monument in Nagano railway station square? It was an Off-Limits area.
Really thanks. There are many Chinese(and Korean) foreign students in Japan. They living in Japan get about 25,000US dollars a year from Japanese tax. This means they get more than 100,000 US dollars from Japan during 4 years. Besides, it is 100,000 ppl. And further,Japanese government is going to make this 10 times. On the other hand, there are many Japanese cannot win even scholarship. Those Japanese youths must give up entrance into university by economic circumstances.
Send those fucking chinks back! Fuck the chinks!
petermotts 7 months ago
I was an exchange student in Japan for about 2 years, and I was there when this happened. What you said is spot-on.
And on top of that, these chinese seemed to equate having a sense of national pride to aggression; they were in a trance...a kind of tribal behaviour in its most primitive form.
I admire the zone of civilization that was considered "china," but the day these people become a dominant decision maker (ie USA,UK, or Japan) will a sad day indeed.
Micklol 11 months ago
better to be dead than a communist slave. fuck you all you red sheep. piss on lenin, marx, che and any other communist maggot out there.
762cat 1 year ago
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Sorry no else thinks like you, did you ever put in consideration of the past relationships between Japan and China?
redsection 1 year ago
Sorry no else thinks like you, did you ever put in consideration of the past relationships between Japan ans China?
redsection 1 year ago
You're a fool who only sees propaganda where it is pleasant to see it.
Verradonairun 1 year ago
HAHAHA.... USA minding their own business in foreign nations, don't make me laugh!!
xrey2000 1 year ago
Wow i never thought I agree with you, you are right, ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! So keep the fuck shut up, generic americunt hypocrite. Oh btw god is dead
direregicide 2 years ago
During this rally, Zenkoji temple in Nagano city bravely withdrew from hosting of the starting point of the torch relay, and the head priest expressed his protest about the oppression to the Buddhists in Tibet. What's really laughable is that most people waiving this blood soaked flag in foreign countries don't go back to their own country. Because they know themselves that the fag is still sucking blood.
MickCorgi 2 years ago
"It was a mass display of disrespect to the nation of Japan to be waiving the flag of another nation in support of an event."
Rubbish. True Chinese will wave the Chinese flag wherever they are to support a grand event that concerns and is hosted by their mother country.
Do not impose your deviant Western "values" on Asians.
SeventhSun 2 years ago
There was no grand event to waive that blood soaked commie flag at Virginia Tech.
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
funnily enough the only side waving american flags during the torch relay in america was the chinese side. how bout that. the hippies and liberal retards where only waving tibetan flags. Hows that for waving a foreign flag in another country
douboymk2 2 years ago
japanese would never be allowed to wave japanese flag openly in china. if they do would be attacked or possibily killed by chinese.
But in japan allow many chinese wave their flags openly in japan. and japanese police protect chinese people.
So which country is truly fair, kind and better?
haikousei 3 years ago
It's the Olympics dumb ass.
amsterdam78 3 years ago
Word.
louieptuey 3 years ago
The flag can be broken, be burnt by the Chinese South Korean, it strike, the window is broken, and it occurs really in Japan when the national flag of Japan is decorated. The national anthem is also the same.
mugetsukitami 3 years ago
???
DongleDavid 3 years ago
Good logic,
But the torch is an international sports event , and supporters were waving Chinese and Japanese flags. While the free tibet people were only waving the former Tibetan flag.
momingqimiao250 3 years ago
Strangely enough, your name contradicts your views. China is only Communist by name. Its very clear that they're a Semi-Totalitarian Capitalist state, not a Communist state. If you'd read some Marx, you'd know what a Communist country is and is not.
If you really want to live up to your name, I suggest that you take a more neutral stance than "Communists are disrespectful!" or "Communists are evil!" cause thats propaganda too y'know!
But I agree, highly disrespectful of those Chinese.
Proccopio 3 years ago
Please tell me what poltical party in Beijing runs the government?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
The Communist Party. What's your point? :)
(No offense, I'm just being sarcastic)
ian95x 3 years ago
Good to know you know, because a lot of people are trying to hide the fact that the Communist thugs rule in Beijing.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
@PropagandaBuster
China is at this point Communist in name only. They're like a mutant semi-Capitalist state now. That's why we owe them so much money and they make most of our products. The scary thing is that we'd never survive a boycott of them.
Like Russia during the 90s, they're not communist, they're more corporatist at this point. On the back of child labor, the government rules the country.
I'm not defending Communism with a "no true Scotsman" fallacy, I'm saying they're a mutant state
MyTotalRemedy 1 year ago
@MyTotalRemedy - I understand their economy is more capitilist than the USA. But it does not take away from the fact their government is run totally by The Communist Party of China.
Not a communist? Then you are not part of their government.
Since this video was made I now refer to China, not as "Communist China," but "Commie-led China."
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
@PropagandaBuster
I'm not defending Communism. China's corporatist, although as you differentiate they're led by the Communist Party. Isn't it scary that we basically depend on them like life support? I wish we weren't so co-dependent on China. Do we have Nixon, Kissinger, or whoever to blame for that or what?
MyTotalRemedy 1 year ago
@MyTotalRemedy - I blame the Clintons and Wal-Mart. Both Clintons accepted campaign money from the Chinese Commie military. Nuclear secrets were stolen from Chinese commie agents. It was Clinton who allowed American corporations to sell China technology needed to manifest those secrets. Wal-Mart, during the Clinton administration, shipped factories to China. Plus the environmentalist who make it impossible to manufacture anything in the USA. Their next target is our agriculture output.
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
Capitalism is just an economic model not a social model. They are a totalitarian state, not "semi," socially, and their economy is what they call "socialism with Chinese characteristics" which is basically code for socialist. Over 1/3 of the economy is owned by the government, mostly the biggest industries like steal and coal. You can call it what you want but its socialism/communism straight up.
Lancer7489 2 years ago
Fuck China and Russia... Quit being so forceful upon smaller nations in stay in your fucking places.. You Commi Fuck ups..
ReidHenderson 3 years ago
You said in one of your comments that you were bashing the communist regime not the peoples of China. You say however that the Chinese are waving communist flags in Nagano. I'm just wondering if those people waving flags are those despised communists you hate so much? Also, I've seen a lot of American flags in foreign nations aswell. These Americamns in foreign nation carry big guns along with flags. Isn't that disrespectful?
wesker325 3 years ago
I do not know if the Chinese waiving Chinese flags were communist or not. But I do know, those who instructed them to do so, and bused them there, are communist. As for your last question, it only deserves to be ignored. Hope you do not mind.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
So its totally rude and disrespectful for the "Communists" to do it, but the moment Americans do it, we should ignore it? Thats pretty hypocritical of you. Live up to your name, man!
Proccopio 3 years ago
Is it possible for you to support your accusation with an actual event?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
forrestpg257: You mistakenly interchange China bashing with Communist bashing as the two are not interchangeable. You never heard me bash the good people of China. But you will hear me bash communism and communist anywhere in the world it or they exist. It just so happens this video is about the communist thugs in Beijing. Why would I want to visit a nation where I would have to be in fear of what I say might offend the insecure commies?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
I completely agree with you!! 5/5
XBokuNoKuroiMayuX 3 years ago
Can you suggest a fair and balanced news media for me to base my opinions on?
Also the opinions stated in this video were based on the videos showing the Communist flag Nagano. The video of all those flags in Nagano did not require any interpretation and it was free of any bias as seeing is believing.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
You have a potty mouth.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
China is communist only in name. There is nothing communist about China.
shijieheping123 3 years ago
Have you looked at your nation's flag since 1949? There are five yellow stars, four small, and one very large star. Do you know what the representation is of that one large star? It represents the Communist Party of China. Shrink that star or remove it, then perhaps your above comment may be correct. However I am willing to concede, your economy is capitalist, but your government is Communist.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Exactly, the flag's star represents the Communist Party, which is Communist only in name. In communism, the gov owns all the land and distributes it among the people. Does the Chinese gov own land and distribute it among the ppl? Not since the 70s. China's gov might be socialist, but not communist.
shijieheping123 3 years ago
Okay there are 50 stars on the USA flag, one for each state in the Union. Now if Texas leaves the Union, then there will be 49 stars on the flag. If communism is dead in China, then would you not think that large yellow star should be removed? When communism collapsed in the Soviet Union, the new Russian flag dropped the star, hammer, and sickle.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Like I said, China is communist ONLY IN NAME, which is something symbolic, and flags are just something symbolic, it does not have to represent a gov system.
The USSR flag was removed bcz the USSR ceased to exist, where in China that did not happen, in China only gov system changed, and it changed from within the CCP, so CCP still exists as a "communist" gov while its policies are obviously not communist.
shijieheping123 3 years ago
Then what do you call it when your non-communist government suppresses free speech, suppressing people peacefully assembling, suppressing and/or controlling religion out of fear, and the suppression to regress your government for any grievances?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
I call it BAD, of course! But you have to understand that China is hard to govern bcz it has so many people, so more control is needed to ensure social stability. But what does that have to do with China being communist anyway? My original comment was that China is no longer communist, which is true, and you start talking about something else. I find it very ignorant when ppl imply that everything Chinese is communist, especially when westerners are so paranoid of communism.
shijieheping123 3 years ago
You have earned my respect, I do understand what you write. When I wrote the things in the above comment, they were examples of behaviors related to communist governments historically. I do not see everything in China as being communist, only the government. We in the west do not fear communism as we fear the lost of basic liberties we take for granted in the USA and not permitted in China. I do need to tell you, wow you are one smart person as your English is excellent and articulate.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Do you have another YouTube ID or a webcam?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
This is the KMT party ancient flag... it doesn't exist anymore...
If China is going to be a democraty, I don't want their flag to look like some kinda Taiwan N°2 flag...
tamplet 3 years ago
But yeah you're right for the flag thing. This should normally be done only in ur own country.
Sorry...
tamplet 3 years ago
When u see how racist are some japanese TV shows towards China u just can't stay silent as a chinese.
How could u show respect to people who look down u so much?
/watch?v=4gx7UDzAQms&feature=related
tamplet 3 years ago
Still, I'd like to see more olympics flags than chinese ones.
tamplet 3 years ago
Communist flags are good in communist land, but not good in other free countries.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
But there's no "non-communist chinese flag"... This is the "default" chinese flag. Aren't u mistaking with another one (the one we see in the chinese national assembly)? I think that even if China has to become a democratic country they won't change their flag.
tamplet 3 years ago
Are you aware the red Chinese flag with the four small yellow stars and one large yellow star is a communist flag? That large yellow star was put there in 1949 to represent the Communist Party of China. So if they ever dump the communist, then the star should be dumped.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Just say what ever u want. U just don't like chinese and communist, that's all. When chinese are waving this flag they don't think about communism one bit, all they have in mind is that it's the flag that represents China, their nation, and that Red is the colour of wealth and fortune in their culture. The communist flag is represented by a hammer with a scyth. You'll see it in China only during political meetings.
tamplet 3 years ago
So apparently you are as ignorant of your flag as you are of my feelings. Please show me where I ever said anything negative about the people of China. Most of my negative statements are towards the ideology of communism and communist. Big deal I do not like communist. I also do not like communist born and raised in America.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
I hate how u use the word "stupid" "stupid" in ur videos trying to make everyone who don't agree with ur opinion look like retarted.
Respect people's opinions.
If u only dislike communists, why don't u put more videos of communism in Russia and other countries? U only point China.
You should show a bit of gratittude toward China beacause probably half of ur posessions are "made in China".
tamplet 3 years ago
Please understand I am controlling my reply as not to insult you at your very young and tender age. Are you aware Russia is not communist? If you do not like my use of the word stupid, may I suggest you do not watch my videos? Because I enjoy using that word recklessly. Did I call you stupid? No, so do not worry about it.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Well you got one point.
But chinese just can't let the flame pass with around only anti-chinese tibetan flags. If they keep they mouth shut then how can they show to their country they're supporting them since medias around the world are all anti-chinese now? What's more it is the first time chinese are demonstrating in foreign countries, please be indulgent.
tamplet 3 years ago
well i guess the chinese may have wave the olympic flag and japanese flag together with the chinese flag if the torch relay isnt so politicalised in the first place since after Paris and London... since then for the chinese its about preventing a repeat by numbers and alot of patriotism/nationalism..
streetboys7 3 years ago
Plus a lot of disrespect.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
btw isn its one's freedom to wave flags of their choice? or What's good for the goose is apparently not good for the gander?
streetboys7 3 years ago
Thank you,PropagandaBuster!!
God bless you.
I have to say Chinese can't tell patriotism
from nationalism.
They are also poor people.
himajin143 3 years ago
himajin143: excellent observation, while I am very patriotic, I am not a nationalist. Many people confuse the two to be the same, while they are both entirely different.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Shame! One thing: you can't really call China Communist anymore(sadly). Since 1976 they have been 'communist' in name only. They are total capitalists roaders now... maybe someday the REAL COMMUNISTS of the PRC will take back power. Then there might be hope for the world./// LONG LIVE THE PEOPLE'S REVOLUTION!!!
americanmaoist 3 years ago
There are 4 small stars and one large star on China's flag. The large star represents the Communist Party. Remove that large star, and I will stop saying "communist China."
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Many thanks and love from Japan. I want to hug you!
percyjapan 3 years ago
You are unbelievably biased. I don't even know when to begin. I hope you enjoyed your stay in Japan. And when you mentioned about disrepectfulness, what about Tibetans waving their "flag" in other nations? Is that not "shameful" according to you? Please bust that.
Mikeybikey88 3 years ago
Mikeybikey88: Thank you so much for bringing up the issue of the Tibetan flag. You see, when the Chinese students waive the Chinese national flag in Japan as a form of protest/support in the streets of that nation, they are waiving a flag of an established nation. According to you and most of China, Tibet is not a nation and never was independent. So the Tibetan flags do not represent a nation as the Chinese flag represents a nation. See, so there is a difference.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
why would japan allow such a insult
AnimeTalk 3 years ago
Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution :(
5969ddff 3 years ago
That article seems to read as if to neutralize Japan's ability to engage in international hostilities. I do not see where it would prohibit your nation from deporting disrespectful outsiders who run unchecked in your nation. Please correct me if I am in error.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
@PropagandaBuster
Sorry, I should have said "spirit of Article 9"
When someone mentions about Article 9 of the Constitution in our country, there is a strong likelihood of him talking about the "Spirit of Article 9"-- in other words "Nonviolence".
5969ddff 3 years ago
"Spirit of Article 9" includes the Preamble to the Constitution in broad sense, which says
"...We, the Japanese people...have determined to preserve our security and existence, trusting in the justice and faith of the peace-loving peoples of the world..."
Trusting peace-loving CCP, DPRK and Neo Red Guards...OMG
5969ddff 3 years ago
That is the preamble of your Constitution? Who was responsible for that? "...trusting in the justice and faith of the peace-loving peoples of the world...." What world? Mars? Please understand I agree the goal may have been noble, but perhaps that article and preamble may want to be revisited by the people of Japan. Am I correct in thinking General MacArthur's staff wrote the Constitution? If that is correct, perhaps a change is in order.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Yes the constitution was written by GHQ officers rather than Japanese by ourself.
Liberals in Japan (Socialists and Communists) do not like any idea of changing it (since 1955). Those socialists and communists do not agree with Japanese logistic support to the US forces in Iraq, currently supplied by JASDF.
We need to change it as soon as possible.
takasito 3 years ago
@P.B. I agree with your comment. "RESPECT" is probably the only and the most significant meaning for creating our relationship better for each other.
anyway, you got a nice backyard over there.
foothilljp 3 years ago
Thank you.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
↓下記は大阪の産経新聞夕刊にのみ掲載の情報。
福原愛さん走行中に跳び出した男性がマスコミでは「台湾人」
としか報じられなかったけど、じつは彼は台湾に亡命した
チベット人らしいです。
彼はカメラに向かいチベット国旗を広げたかっただけらしい。
１９５９年にチベットが中国によって侵略されたとき、
彼のお父さんが中国当局に捕まり死刑宣告を受け、
処刑前日に命からがら逃げ出し、妻、彼の兄（当時７歳）
を連れて、命からがらヒマラヤ山脈を越えて
インドに亡命した後に、彼が生まれたらしいです。
SkylarkUtopian 3 years ago
The following info was reported only by the evening paper of Sankei newspaper Osaka of April 26.
Though it was reported that the man who jumped out
during Ai Fukuhara run "is Taiwanese" by the massmedia,
in fact, he is a Tibetan who took refuge in Taiwan.
He just tryied to open a Tibetan flag toward the TV.
His father was caught by th ChineseGov. when Tibet was
inveded by China in 1959, and father was sentenced to death.
SkylarkUtopian 3 years ago
Then, father barely broke out of prison on the day before
the execution,and went over the Himalayas with his wife
and 7 years old son(his older brother) to took refuge
in India. After that, he was born in India.
Now his natinality is Taiwan.
SkylarkUtopian 3 years ago
ところで、多くの日本人が、中国人の赤い国旗に
囲まれて暴行されていたそうです。
しかし、中国人は1人も逮捕されませんでした。
長野県警は聖火を守る以外にいったい何をしていたのでしょう？
本来、日本の警察は、日本国民を守るべきではないのでしょうか。
SkylarkUtopian 3 years ago
By the way,a journalist saw that many
Japanese were surrounded in many Chinese
red flags, and they were assaulted by Chinese ppl.
However, No Chinese were arrested.
What was NaganoPolice doing except for saving the tordh?
Should not Japanese police save Japanese citizens?
SkylarkUtopian 3 years ago
It seems like political correctness has infected Japan as it has the USA. Or perhaps your political leaders have been purchased by the Chinese as they purchased the United States Congress. Both Japan and the USA suffer from having weak political leaders.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Sure...that may be right... :(
I hope strong good leaders will be
elected in both of US and JP.
You should become the President of America :)
So cool president! :D
WhiteSakuraBlossom 3 years ago
Thank you for your kind words.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
lol... weak political leaders dont tried to change constitution, set up missile defence system, fight wars, support some organisation to undermine competitors, etc....
streetboys7 3 years ago
Are you familiar with the writing term, "stream of consciousness?" Because that is how your writings read.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
wow. i learned a new term. thanks alot!
streetboys7 3 years ago
No problem. I aim to contribute to the enhancement of your education.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
wow. i learned a new term. thanks alot!
streetboys7 3 years ago
I agree with your video message 100%!
Many Japanese readers are interested in your video message very much. You are famous in Japanese Blogers. Your comments is cool! I will write about your video messgae in my blogs.
Thank you,
Jody
JODY080808 3 years ago
Fiftybillion
I never said they were. But even Japanese history says so.
Tell that to the tributary missions that the Japanese historically sent to China for centuries to get on their knees and kowtow before the emperor to establish trade relations.
Japanese are not a mix of asians and jews, they're a mix of indigenous Japanese and immigrants from China during the Qin dynasty from a guy called Xu Fu. There's even a shrine in Japan for him, know your $hit before talking ignorant dumbf00k.
janusianmikan 3 years ago
SkylarkUtopian 3 years ago
I am only judging those we see in the videos, and those people are showing disrespect to their host country.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Those big flags were in England, France, America, Argentina... and all the way to Japan. Why his video only mentioned the flags in Japan?
Is it because you know that Japan had a bad war history with China...I think you purposely brought up the "Big China flags in Japan" and tries to twist it around by implying that "China harassing Japan in Japan's turf"
I bet you know that Japanese would be sensitive to this....
onlytruth19 3 years ago
Propagandabuster, let's be honest, what was the true purpose of your video?
I doubt the honesty of your friendship with the Japanese people that you used to brag about.
onlytruth19 3 years ago
Come on be serious, the torch relay in England, France, and America, were all over shadowed by the near violence, near riot atmosphere, and huge protest towards China. The Chinese flags in those nations could have been counted on Captain Hooks one hand. No video was necessary about those countries as the protestors were able to air their views.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
While in Nagano, the Japanese did not perform nearly as the English, French, and Americans did. The Japanese were shut down by their police, and their news media. Looking at the videos from England, France, and America show a remarkable lack of Chinese flags. So by that are you saying more respect was shown to Europe and America, than to Japan by the Chinese?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
cos the Chinese started to protest en masse in reaction to the anti China protest in Paris and London (and San Francisco to a certain extent)... there are chinese supporters in Paris and London but too small of a number to register a hit the western media... only after San Francisco has Chinese started to "turn the tide" by sheer numbers...
streetboys7 3 years ago
I'm Japanese, too:) and I don't think Japanese usually support China, as you say.
We carefully need to sort information which are given from government and media wherever you are...in Japan, in US, or in China.
DownTownRocks 3 years ago
The same in America, many people are angry at our non-responsive governemtn and bias new media. Time to sharpen our pitch forks.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Wise words PB :)
Squig2510 3 years ago
I can sense anger in Buster, when he deliberately emphasize the word "Communist", obviously he did that on purpose. I think his words was disrespectful to Chinese and misleading the viewers of this video.
Sometimes I found Buster's video amusing because he himself is spreading propaganda.
China would prefer to be refer as "China" or "Capitalist China".
onlytruth19 3 years ago
I refer to the thugs in the Beijing national government as communist, not all the Chinese people. You know that is so because you can not find in any of my videos where I refer to all Chinese as being communist because all Chinese are not communist. I want to see the Chinese people prosper because communism can not survive among such prosperity. Are you trying to say the Communist Party does not run China? Next you will tell me Mao was not a communist.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
I don't know why propagandabuster keep referring China as "Communist China" and Chinese students as "Communist". China hasn't been a Communist nation for over 20 more years.
onlytruth19 3 years ago
Probably because he doesn't want to insult Chinese as a whole. And that's the difference between you and him.
"The Dalai Lama is just disgusting...Japanese is disgusting. May god damn them all"
5969ddff 3 years ago
Chinese students who's loyal to CPC and behaves outrageously="Communist"
Such a huge flag is too expensive for overseas students to afford and torch relay in Nagano was just a one-day-event. It is more likely that those flags were offered by their "sponsor".
5969ddff 3 years ago
5969ddff said "Chinese students who's loyal to CPC and behaves outrageously="Communist"?
Do you even know what the word "Communist" mean?
onlytruth19 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
5969ddff, I have to say that undeniably Japanese (as a whole) have been the biggest Chinese basher on youtube. They even distort facts so they can make Chinese look bad. And knowing that Japanese were proud of killing over 25 million Chinese during WW2. I have to hate them as a whole, i simply can't help it.
onlytruth19 3 years ago
They were mobilized by Chinese media and the government.
Chinese government tried to show Chinese power in Japan and the world.
They are same as the illegal alien in U.S. who demand amnesty and civil rights.
They don't respect other country and the law.
gondwana 3 years ago 2
Yea, I've seen a couple of Japanese flags too in couple videos..
but see the problem is, there were only "a couple" held on the Chinese supporters' side.
I'd say to show respect, at the least they should have held equal number of Chinese flags and the national flag of where they are at.
CrimsonTale5147512 3 years ago
I feel fear and the sense of incompatibility in the gathering of the Chinese international student in Japan because of one calling by 1000 units.
Moreover, a Chinese national flag and the capital used on that day are being helped to them by Chinese Communist Party.
The doubt is not yet felt in the despotic state though it goes to study to the democratic nation and I do not understand.
NipponKatana 3 years ago
SkylarkUtopian 3 years ago 2
翻訳ありがとうございます!!
Thank you for your translation!!
yotsuyakaidanさん、こちらの動画も翻訳していただけないでしょうか？
Mr.yotsuyakaidan, would you please translate these movies from Japanese into English?
unknown0914 3 years ago
SkylarkUtopian 3 years ago
Thanks to the link to that ONE video. Meaning no disrespect to you, but you were joking right?
That video is 9 minutes long filled with red communist flags throughout then at 8:03 to 8:09, about 6 seconds one or two Japanese flags drowning in a sea of red communist flags. That was a joke, right?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
most of the chinese people coming to Nagano recieved lots of support from chinese government.
I cant understand why 'chinese government' support their trip to Nagano.
mint090 3 years ago
Because the Chinese government is weak like a child and must pay people to show support for them.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
"most of the chinese people coming to Nagano recieved lots of support from chinese government." i dont think this is the case. many ppl drove there themselves. and many flags were ordered from oversea by students. i really doubt government is part of this. as a matter of fact, i read chinese newspaper in america, it says chinese government is trying to stop this. it is bit out of hand.
isthereapoint 3 years ago
oh really? the Chinese intelligence/diplomatic agencies must be very efficient. maybe i have the benefit of hindsight but as the sichuan earthquake shows chinese patriotism(or nationalism to westerners) is real not becos of brainwashing or in the case of Chinese overseas students and residents where ccp brainwashing theory cant work cos they supposedly receive the "right" western education(they are dismissed as instead being paid). I thought u r supposed to bust propaganda not reinforce them
streetboys7 3 years ago
Dozens. Please direct me to the videos where the Chinese in Japan waived many Japanese flags.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Yes it does and they didn't.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
I think that this person says a very right thing.
Japanese usually wave a Japanese flag and the flag of the other country when there is sports festival.
It as for the seal of the friendship to the country of the partner is because is it.
However, I was not able to almost watch such scene with this Nagano.
The route was filled up with a Chinese flag by a Chinese.
sagirik 3 years ago
I am Japanese.
I agree with you 100%.
We are furious about these Chinese students' totally insensive behavior in Japan.
Not only in Japan, they don't know how to behave themselves in foreign countries: UK, France, US, Australia...
blanket92001 3 years ago
Not sure about death penalty, but it is so true that Chinese authority just banned making flags because it is illegal there.
Chinese students feel nationalism, it is ok as even in corrupted nation which has been growing it's economy by selling craps to us. They feel "honoured" as the Olympic games will be held, but I have never seen any Australian, Greek, Korean, American have been watching the torch relay with that manner.
No moral, absolutely nothing that is communism.
takasito 3 years ago
The Free Tibet Flag made in China (article from BBC)
The factory owner reportedly told police the emblems had been ordered from outside China, and he did not know that they stood for an independent Tibet.
Workers who had grown suspicious checked the meaning of the flag by going online.
Thousands of flags had already been packed for shipping.
Police believe that some may already have been sent overseas, and could appear in Hong Kong during the Olympic torch relay there this week.
takasito 3 years ago
Tibetan flags, we have seen on every protests.. actually made in China. Of course the factory which was asked to print, did not the design of Tibetan flag. The Chinese authority recently busted the factory.. that news made my day (was 2 days ago.. on bbc).
Panda is the best Chinese diplomat who does not bring any nonsense!!
takasito 3 years ago
More funny thing is that those Tibetan flags are actually made in China....
Well, average Chinese people cannot recognize the Tibetan flag, unless they go abroad...
but funny really
takasito 3 years ago
@maomikimirai
I know that Chinese government has been exaggerating the number of casualties and by stirring up hatred against outside world they succeeded in uniting their country. But is it fair to say that "it was nothing more and nothing less than a battle"?
5969ddff 3 years ago
Was execution of enemy soldiers disguised in civilian clothes, lawful? Some historians say "Yes", but some say "No". Did they not mistake some civilians for soldiers during the raid? Nobody can say for sure what really happened in Nanjing in 1937. (And what really happened in Lhasa a month ago too)
We'll have to wait for the fall of their communist government. That reminds me -it took the truth of Katyń massacre 50 years to come to light.
5969ddff 3 years ago
5969ddff
"Was execution of enemy soldiers disguised in civilian clothes, lawful? "
Do you think that Japanese soldiers should have waited until they were killed by soldiers in plain clothes in the battle field?
If you are truly a Japanese, you should or must know that all those Nanking propaganda ("Nanking Massacre" = "Rape of Nanking") is a tool for Communist China to hide ongoing their invasion of Tibet. It is a really dirty tool!
maomikimirai 3 years ago
@maomikimirai
I continued by saying, "Some historians say Yes, but some say No"
Were they really guerillas? Many of them were maybe just trying to hide for their safety.
5969ddff 3 years ago
I know that so-called "Rape of Nanking" is propaganda. What I meant to say was: We cannot be sure if we can justify everything that happened in Nanking at that time, BECAUSE China is a communist country and in communist countries it is not the historians that decide the fact. It is their communist party that decides and no objection is accepted.
5969ddff 3 years ago
To 5969ddff
"Were they really guerillas? Many of them were maybe just trying to hide for their safety. "
Some civilians must have been involved -- that is the reason why "soldiers in plain clothes" were (are) not justifiable.
"We cannot be sure if we can justify everything that happened in Nanking at that time, "
When did we justify ourselves? What do you think Tokyo Trials were done for? What were all those repeated apologies and reparations for?
maomikimirai 3 years ago
Here is what I found, Japanese 99.4%.
Foreign Citizens: More than 2.5 million (possibly higher because of the illegal immigrants), 14.9% up in five years. North and South Koreans 1 million, Chinese 0.5 million, Filipinos 0.5 million, and Brazilian 250,000 with others like Peruvian, American/Canadian, British, Indonesian, Thai, African and other nationals. Is this correct?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Great PB!!!
Nice one!
wuemura 3 years ago
5)....Japan only was an atroucious fiend, but China was an innocent victim and the Allied Powers were justifiable?
Chinese friends, why don't you argue what Japan did in WWII on some other occasions, and let us argue what Chinese people should or should not do in foreign countries in celebration of Olympic torch relay.
maomikimirai 3 years ago 3
maomikimirai: I tried to send you a message but you seem to have that function disabled. Can you please send me a message so I can reply to you with a few questions?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
maomikimirai: I just tried responding to your message and it still says you have it turned off.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
maomikimirai
Umm.. wow.. dunno what to say with your breakthrough of the millenium.. you should try saying that in any university and see what grade you'll get for Asian history. Oops, of course you'll get an A in a Japanese university.
Go pick up a textbook by John Fairbank, or go research Nanking massacre online.. or maybe even the 731 experiments of Japan~ or maybe the race to executing 100 people by the Japanese, its even in Japanese newspaper archives! =) YAY! (copying PB's accent)
janusianmikan 3 years ago
@janusianmikan
Nanking Massacre have been a hot topic in Japan since Japanese journalist Katsuichi Honda wrote a book called "Travel in China" in 1970.I remember watching the dispute over this topic on TV as a child in the 80s.
And a book about Unit 731 (by Seiichi Morimura) was published when I was in primary school, and this book also became a best seller in Japan (1981). One of my classmates actually brought the book to our classroom.
5969ddff 3 years ago
When I grew up I had chance to read books about "My Lai" and "Tiger Force" but that didn't give me a bad impression of USA because I noticed that all these books and reports were written by American journalists. I don't know if everything written in these books are true or not, but if it hadn't been for American journalists, I think none of these things had come to light.
5969ddff 3 years ago
So I thought there must had been many war crime committed by Chinese and Soviet military during WW2, Sino-Vietnamese War, Soviet-Afghan War, etc...only there were no Chinese/Russian journalist to report the details from Afghanistan or Tibet.
5969ddff 3 years ago
What do you think will come to light when CCP and WPK lose their power? I presume there were many things John Fairbank didn't know =)
5969ddff 3 years ago
>of course you'll get an A in a Japanese university.
HaHaHa, so you're a BBC admirer too? Didn't you know that most of right-wing professors were expelled from Universities after WW2? It's strange that you say "Western media are liar" while you believe their story about Japanese children been brainwashed by their "re-written" textbooks. Japanese public schools are controlled by "Japan Teacher's Union", the LEFTISTS !
5969ddff 3 years ago 2
@5969ddff
Hey, I'm glad you know much more than maomikimirai. Consequently, I have many friends who grew up in Japan not knowing the atrocities Japan did in WWII. Right-wing professors were gone but most of the militarist leaders of Japan were released from Tokyo Trials to fight America's cold war and build the wall of democracy? Lots of crap about the CCP will be shown once they fall. I'm not pro-China advocate so I don't care about pandas vs. diplomats, I think all politicians are super bs
janusianmikan 3 years ago
3)....You want to say "It is not the number of victims that matters, Japan killed many people (mainly Chinese), do admit it"?
4)....Okay. if you say that killing is killing, let us talk about killing by China. China killed many Japanese civilians living in Shanghai and other cities (e.g. Tungchow Mutiny) first.
maomikimirai 3 years ago 3
2)....The population of Nanking increased after the battle (about 200,000 in Dec. 1937 and 250,000 in Jan. 1938). Chinese army burnt wide areas surrounding Nanking, many Chinese civilians took shelter in Nanking; they knew Japanese army would not harm civilians.
maomikimirai 3 years ago 4
To janusianmikan
"(Japanese occupation & Nanking Massacre ring a bell?) "
If you want to bring (here again) what you call "Nanking Massacre", okay, let me tell you this --
1)....What occurred in Nanking in December 1937 was a battle, nothing more and nothing less. It is unfair to call a usual battle a massacre.
maomikimirai 3 years ago 4
Ur failing to state the general hatred Chinese have to Japanese from the two sino-japanese wars (Japanese occupation & Nanking Massacre ring a bell?) and that any Chinese with a common sense won't wave a Japanese flag (strangely, they will drive Hondas) The definition of respect to another country varies by culture. Chinese have historically seen themselves the head honcho of Asia, they see no reason not waving their flags in other countries. Ur judging Chinese behavior with Western standards.
janusianmikan 3 years ago
So let's judge the Chinese actions in Nagano by your standards: You say Chinese have hatred for the Japanese. Then why so many Chinese in Japan working, living, and going to school among these hated people?
To justify waiving your red flag in another country as a form of protest / support is just plain disrespectful and arrogant. Is that how you are describing Chinese culture?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Hello, Daddy. I think his logic is typical "Sinocentrism".
The history of Sinocetrism( China-centered-thought)
is far longer than that of communism.
This traditional thought has been a big factor of
many Chinese behavior. So, they insist that foreigners
should respect Chinese, and they
think they don't have to respect foreign countries.
And they occupied not only Nagano in Japan, but also almost all
torch-relay-cities in the world with their huge number of red flags.
SkylarkUtopian 3 years ago
I am saying Chinese people have no respect to the Japanese based on historic reasons. Why don't you bring up Chinese flags were raised in Paris, London, San Fran, etc. Ppl protest and if you suppress them, they will protest the right to protest, leading to more protests. That's just the nature of free speech overseas.
Chinese put the past behind them so long as economic interests are tied to it. They're practical and worry about the NOW than the past, but that won't stop them from protesting.
janusianmikan 3 years ago
janusianmikan
Nanking Massacre?? so that is the only reason why those Chinese students who just showed their flag rather than both Chinese/Japanese flags to encourage the Japanese public to support them??
Nanking Massacre?
why do those Chinese students study in Japan, if they still blame us for that? Are they 80 years old?
takasito 3 years ago 2
janusianmikan
So why many Chinese people fled to countries like Canada, Australia or New Zealand mainly after the hand over of Hong Kong?
I can tell you what: Panda is the better diplomat than the average Chinese.
takasito 3 years ago
takasito~ wtf are you talking about? you lost me there~ simply put, I dare you to raise a japanese flag in China and see what will happen to you. There lots of reasons why a modern Chinese will hate the Japanese if it does not affect economics. Did you not read my line about Chinese willing to drive Hondas? Sino-Japanese relations are awkward as long as business interests are into play. Chinese may still buy sony, study in japan, but they still hate the japanese gov't. Get that thru your head.
janusianmikan 3 years ago
yeah right, nobody really likes China, only because Chinese students know nothing about how to intergrate to another society.
"Panda is better diplomat than ordinal Chinese".
Plz do not get much offended, but it is true.
takasito 3 years ago
Thank You PropagandaBuster
Arigatou!!
Texas OYAJI
taa6799 3 years ago 4
They were shouting "Hang in there China"
What's that for?
Tthe runners were all Japanese.
auge604 3 years ago
Chinese wave the Chinese flags.But wait!They should wave Olympics flags mainly,not Chinese flags.
There was almost one Opympic flag they waved.
Aniholp 3 years ago
Arigatou, PropagandaBuster!
bonjovi0612 3 years ago
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You will be beaten to death if you wave a American flag outside your bloody country.
fyan007 3 years ago
@fyan007
Oh no, The Stars & Strips is always welcome in Japan. Five-Starred Red Flag is also welcome, if only you don't wave them like crazy in front of other people and block their views.
What were you doing on the top of the monument in Nagano railway station square? It was an Off-Limits area.
5969ddff 3 years ago
I dislike racism , too.
However, in this case, it seems that people here
are talking about other problems.
We should be careful not to confuse racism problem
with other problems.
WhiteSakuraBlossom 3 years ago 3
Communist Chinese do not need friends. They want to isolate or they already knew nobody in Nagano was going to support China.
takasito 3 years ago
SkylarkUtopian 3 years ago 3