Ford 351 Windsor Build Up

[TheLostTheForgotten]

so much for the break in period...

[capone36312]

Is he trying to blow that shit up he just put it back together you not supposed to rev it like that till you run it for a while at cruising speed like around 50 mph or 3 grand but I guess he's got money to blow

[billcavazos]

I can't believe what I'm seeing. Where are your HEDDERS. Wait till your boss sees this video, running this brand new engine without HEDDERS. Nice engine though

[joshdodson8]

What is the correct timing on a 79 351 windsor?

[FORD427W]

if you dont put headers it will burn your exhaust valves

[futurepornstar100]

its his engine his problem. Ooohhh god. To whom its own.

[stang393clevor]

It must be nice to throw money away!!

i would pull them heads and send them back to the shop.

try it a 2nd time.

[rahs9899]

YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF IDIOTS NO LONGER THAN HE RAN THAT ENGINE IT DIDNT HURT THE VALVES IT TAKES MONTHS OF RUNNING WITHOUT AN EXHAUST TO BURN A VALVE SO ALL YOU HATERS CAN TAKE A HIKE BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW YOUR ASS FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND THIS IS FROM AN ASE MASTER TECH WHO KNOWS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT

[jeffcougar1968]

OMG WOW you are LUCKY you dident fuck your valves up JUST SAYIN lol

[Nsphere]

0:21 was borderline pornographic..

[Ascrap2003]

ahhh the whats a cleveland & windsor question. lol

Windsor is a better built beefier block.

Bore & Stroke a windsor to 408 then add some good heads a cam etc etc and be amazed. Optional: add juice if desired yummy! LMAO!

[EpicScandinavian]

you're a fucking idiot, I'm 14 and I know better than to run an engine without an exhaust, have fun when your motor blows

[enyawix]

poor exhaust valves :(

[taterchip2009]

hay man thay make these nifty little thangs calld headers there pretty cool u should try um

[thenomadrhodes]

oh man thats awesome! i cant wait till i get my winnie up and running.

[CRoberts91]

why in gods name would you not have the headers on it?

[coronermetl]

drummaster54, the cleveland is a small block also. th cleveland uses the smaller 14mm spark plugs, has a separate front cover (bolted to the block) housing the timing chain and routing water - so that water does not go through the intake manifold, features beefy main caps (wide enough to drill for 4-bolt mains), a poor oiling system, and uses different heads for 2V & 4V versions. On the 4V, the valves are HUGE, measuring 2.19" intake and 1.7n" exhaust (don't remember exactly).

[benhanson3]

burning clean..must be frying the valves

[AlchemistHawk]

hello burnt carbonized valves :)

[blabla3o]

a 500+hp marshmallow roaster genius

[MP1LI4S]

very nice engine and the sound is very loud at what was coming, the cars windsor 351???? aaaaa and the name of this song

[MP1LI4S]

very nice machine the sound is strong very strong

pls the name of the song?

[ironcladgungrave]

lol nice, did'nt even have to ask and my questions got answered.. thanks deano

[taz275]

evil; little 351 :D

[wolfeman351]

I don't have a parade?? And no, it is not the 351m. M was a rating for the m or mid block. Any one in the know does call the clevland the 351c.

[wolfeman351]

I would never run a motor without exhaust hooked up. The heat that close to the spark plugs causes major problems. Turning the motor over dry is also stupid. The oil pump is driven by the distributor which was not installed.

351w and 351c are completly different types of motor. Both are small block but other than that nothing interchanges. Ford began production of the 351w in 1969 out of their plant in Windsor Canada thus the W for Windsor. The 351c or clevland was produced in 1970.

[fatharmonix]

@wolfeman351 hate to rain on ur parade but it gets kinda anoyying ppl calling the clevland a 351c its actually 351m

[untoldguitarist]

Actually there were both 351 C and M's that were produced, But the 351 C was only from 70-74 and the 351 M was from 74-82 and was a de-stroked 400M.

[WildoTheRubberFist]

had me a 351 windsor in my first car err Van. It was a 1976 ford e100... They guy selling it said it was a Cleveland but when I did some work on it I found it said windsor in few spots... Was a fast little rusty van till I introduced it with a tree and the tranny and passenger seat became best frients.

[sheadouglas]

Where can I get one of those for my 1990?

[FORDGTFANATIC]

ummm.. i dont think its very good to keep be turning that engine unlubricated that way. ive herd of low stress brake ins but they drench the whole thing in oil..also its not good to run em without exhaust headers like that the heads cool down too quickly do to the exhaust being open from the air getting to them can crack them or bend or warp a valve even and cause it to not seat right.

[Rm125m]

i was thinking the same thing lol i never run open heads ive been told both ways that it want hurt it but i wouldnt try it id at least put some headers on.

[offroadingmachine007]

I've been trying to find out what the diference is between a 351 cleveland and a 351 windsor.

[Drewtitus]

the small difference is the water jackets the windsor has better cooling passage ways not sure what else though

[SamuelLBlackson]

One is big block one is small block. There's also a 351m which is built out of both.

[drummaster54]

@Drewtitus Drewtitus forgot to mention that a CLeveland is a big block and Windsor is a small block.....that's the big difference....in fact the only thing that's the same is that the Cleveland heads will bolt on to the winsdor block by modifying the water jackets and getting a special intake.

[drummaster54]

@Drewtitus Drewtitus forgot to mention that the Cleveland is a big block and the Windsor is a small block.....that's the big difference. In fact, nothing between to two are the same except the bolt pattern of the heads which the Cleveland heads can be put on a Windsor block by modifying the water jackets and getting a special intake.

[jlpounds2001]

@drummaster54 Ford never used the terms "big block" and "small block" they put there engines in familys such as the windsor family,FE,335 and 385. Ford once said the cleveland if you wanted to put a block size on it, it was considered a mid block size between a big block and a small block. Also the cleveland and windsor share the same transmission bolt pattern to aswell.

[drummaster54]

@jlpounds2001 If you ask any ford guy, the windsors are small blocks, and cleveland is a big block......I wasn't being technical, that just sums it up into the main difference, if you want me to be technical, ill say that the difference is the bore, stroke, heads, main journal size, cylinder wall thickness, coolant passages, timing cover, and deck width. I'd just rather call it a big block.

[coolio2281]

@Drewtitus windsor is based off the 302 block and made in windsor canada, the cleveland is based off the 400 block and made in cleveland.

[tkhelland]

@Drewtitus the clev shares the same block as a 351 mod or 400 mod, fords "Big Block". the heads are what set it apart from most other ford motors the clev was the badass of the 351's, they are somewhat rare and full of piss and pound

[6poundsoft]

@Drewtitus The block " V " is not as wide on a cleveland that why when u put clev heads on a windsor you need spacers for the intake! PAIN IN THE ASS as i remember.

[Cowboy2792]

@Drewtitus doesnt the cleveland have more of a low end torque and top end horespower, where the windsor has a lot of rpm available to use when build or it the other way around i have been thinking the same thing on what is different between the 2

[FORDGTFANATIC]

i think windsors have 2 bolt main caps and Cleveland have 4 bolt main caps. some other differences too

[killersonof7]

Im pretty sure that the Cleveland was a big-block family while the Windsor is a small block.

[Brazilianjj]

Um no... the windsor and clevland are both small blocks...

[untoldguitarist]

There were only a very few 4 bolt main 351C blocks produced. And false 351C had more 2 bolt main blocks then they did 4 bolt main blocks produced.

[deano9006]

@offroadingmachine007 ok boys, i don't mean to step on anyones toes here but the diffrerences between a cleveland and a windsor are pretty much everthing except for the bolt pattern for the transmission and the bore spacing. The water jackets are different, the intake manifold are different, the deck height are different (9.2 cleveland, 9.5 windsor), distributor is different (different heights), the oiling system is different.........pretty much different mototrs

[deano9006]

@offroadingmachine007 the cleveland top end is a lot better for top end revving. The windsor is built for reliability on the bottom end. I have a friend who's cleveland made 725 at the crank with 13.5:1 compression and cracked the stock ford block. Unless you are talking 800+ with a windsor (heads and cash permitting) you will never have a problem with a windsor block.

[DaBluedude100]

@deano9006 yeah the cleveland is a great racing engine... buddy with a 87 capri race car. clevland punched to 508 (yeah i dunno about that either...) at 15.9:1 makes about 1200hp we figure. runs low 8s / high 7s

[deano9006]

@offroadingmachine007 On a second note that means a good solid bottom end kit. The windsor block is extremely strong...........Minus the stock ford internals.........so dont go trying to pour about 18 pounds of boost to a stock windsor small block like i did...........

[1016joecool]

@offroadingmachine007 there is not one part between them that is similar the clevland is the 400 big block just destroked and the winsor is the pure out racing engine so dont ever say you dont know the difference now the clevland is the 351 modified meaning its modified from the orriginal 400 big block

[VimpalerV]

@offroadingmachine007 The 351 Cleveland is a big block for high end power and the 351 Windser is a small block for low end power

[dnl5649]

@offroadingmachine007 a 351 cleveland was designed for high performance right from the factory, with a windsor its not so high performance but has a better cooling system. a 400M is basically a 351C but with a bigger crank to make it a stroker, but ford detuned the 400 with the emissions bs, retarded the cam timing, and lowered the compression to about 7.6:1. otherwise the 400 would have over 420 + hp!!!

[NP535overdrive]

@offroadingmachine007 , the only thing the same is the cubic inches...

[kylepembo]

@offroadingmachine007 the deck height. Cleveland is 9.2", Windsor is 9.5" This means is has different rods and pistons.

[NRKaudio]

@offroadingmachine007 the cleveland is a big block about the same as a 400 big block but the bore is smaller

[parkyboy1959]

@NRKaudio The 351C and 351W have the same block dimensions,sort of. Same bore,stroke and bore spacing. Heads are differant, but share the same bolt pattern and spacing. The 400 "big block" (not) has same bore spacing but with a 1.100" taller deck, hence much wider intake manifold. There is also a 351M with the same taller deck and longer rods. Windsor and Cleveland have differant cooling,oiling,and bearing size. Ford has used a "Clevor" in NASCAR until lately, which used the best of each.

[parkyboy1959]

@NRKaudio As I mentioned in my other post, the 400 is NOT a big block, just a wide, fat small block. The true big blocks are the 429/460 motors, and the old "FE" 352/360/390 motors. The 400, along with the 289W, 302W, 351W, 351C, and 351M all share the same head bolt spacing, therefore all small blocks. It is easy to mistake a 400 as a big block, because it looks like one, due to its tall decks / wide intake manifold. The 351M also has the high deck like the 400. I hope this helps !

[NRKaudio]

@parkyboy1959 thx



[DieselDog8912]

im in the process of building a windsor for my '30 model A. and what i found is that theyre both small blocks, bore and stroke are the same, just the main difference is with the heads. different port and valve size. and the windsor and the 302 have more interchangeable parts.

[xXCannonXx]

@offroadingmachine007 cleveland is a big block windsor isent....

[dank12505]

@offroadingmachine007 cleveland also has a 4 bolt main

[440exxxrider]

oh thats real good for it not even headers on it fucking retards

[LtSplatter]

i had a 351 windsor on my 95 f150 with a 2.25 striaght pipe and even with that i still fucked over my engine. good luck

[TheUnknownNoah1990]

Hells yeah! 351 Windor's are bullit proof, and they sound badass!

[bblackklionn]

ford v8 351c yeeeeaaaaah!!!

[imegg1]

Do you understand that you could burn a valve or fuck up that engine you just rebuilt by runing it with no sort of exhaust manifold or headers damn how stupid can you get

[NAMTRIP]

what a dumb ass,you just may have ruined that motor.

[sidescrollin]

pfff ya if he ran it for like 15k miles. gtfo.

[novadose914]

It has nothing to do with how long the motor was being run it has to do with vacuum in the exhaust manifold that help sacvenge and channel awayt he exhaust gasses, plus some other ish i cannot remember

[novadose914]

You speak the truth. that was the first thing i thought of when i saw the closeup of the exhaust ports.

WTF!?

[papabugs71]

I dont care if the pistons are made of depleted uranium. It is bad on any internal combustion engine to run it with open heads.

You must be rich....

[Rm125m]

took the words right out of my mouth must be nice to have money lol never ever even crank my engines with out at least headers even then its not good maybe a dirt track car that you gonna run the dog shit out of

[KapteinOpel]

dårlig til beins...

[inagod]

titanium pistons ,Hmmm,let me think about this,10,000 US dollars for a set of 8.Sorry guys,the only titanium pistons you may see is in Top Fuel,where there is some development work being done,to offset the huge piston bills these teams pay.But not this engine ,good god,are those gold intake valves He He

[420witchdoctor]

Yeah, if one's got money, you can get them CNC'd, and no it doesn't cost 10,000 fuckin' bucks, dude! It's like a grand and 500!

[fordboy111591]

i didnt give that much for em i had to bore the fuck out of my 3.0 to get the 4.6 piston size to fit then i just order titanium pistons for a 4.6 mustang

[420witchdoctor]

Well hell yeah there ya go brother! Keep on rockin' the damn V8's! Whoo!!!

[fordboy111591]

hell yea man you knw wat a stroke sounds like image that with a nitrous backfire lol the only reston i bout titanium becuz it can hold some serious shit 150 of the break and 250 shot of pure edelbrock nitrous lol some time when i buy a video camera ill show everyone a video

[420witchdoctor]

Oh dude, all day man. Nitrous is tons of fun :)

[fordboy111591]

10,000 are you jokin haha try 486 bucks a piston and a set of 8 thats 2 more than i need v6 titanium pistons and valves and forged crank its a 3.0 with a 3.8 crank got rid of that efi shit had a intake mad for a 400 cfm 4 barrel i run 2 systems 150 shot off the break and another 250 on a switch if i need it

[pantherxx010]

man you did sweet job on that setup! keep on reving!

[Hawk6DM]

Running it without any exhaust system is BAD. It will destroy the exhaust valves.

[terryisnor1974]

@Hawk6DM pls explain

[deano9006]

@Hawk6DM seriously don't be retarded.........running without any exhaust doesn't hurt anything.............although you can see that the spark plugs were indexed wrong on the #4, #6, and #7 cylinders. Having the electrode turned the wrong way will seriously effect performance as you can see those cylinders aren't burning right. I never thought it was true till I went to the dyno with our circle track car

[corvettkiller666]

quite a description you got there !

[SHFire2]

i just saw a Jaguar XJ6 1971 whit this engien all i say is i love it Ford 351 Windsor bad ass

[WARD5KUSTOMZ]

sounds bad ass

[ChronoCrossKid]

#8 is running a little rich

[cobraopts7]

hey dumbshit your supposed to put the headers on it or a manofold on it so you wont burn up your valves so now go get some new valves

[Drewtitus]

there titanium so fuck you

[cobraopts7]

i dont care if there titanium you will still need to get new valves

[Drewtitus]

nah

[cobraopts7]

ok dont listen to me do you want fire to spit out of your carburator then the filter will catch on fire then ashes will get in your carb then when you try to start it up those ashes will get all in your engine then your fucked your pistons will lock up replace them

[420witchdoctor]

Yeah you're dumb. You have to run an engine like this beast, a 351 fucking Windsor with titanium pistons and valves for AT LEAST 10-15 minutes to do any kind of real damage. Learn your American muscle engines.

[cobraopts7]

but why the hell would you risk it

[420witchdoctor]

There's no risk invlolved, man. These motors are bulletproof in stock form. Add titanium parts, it's ninja proof even! :O

[bronco302EFI]

@Drewtitus my god dude put some damn headers or somthing on that thing, that is a great way to screw up a fresh built engine

[fordboy111591]

titanium pistons are made to take a lot more wear and heat and you can practically use them with out headers we got titanium pistons and valves in our ranger and ive ran it on the stand with out headers and then tore it down becuz i spun a bearing after 3500 miles and tore it all down the pistons and valves lookd fine washed them off with some gas and they looked like new

[1016joecool]

@Drewtitus actually its not just the valves you have to worry about its the piston rings that will be fried the titanium valves will hold up but i would be more worryed about the rings after

[bboy4050]

lol its like porn for trucks :P ford kicks ass.

[Lizzeh1228]

All i can say is SICK!!!!lol. T

[inagod]

flat tops with small chamber heads,that thing must have some compression.11 second ets? in a 2300 pound car sounds like fun.

[inagod]

Do you check compression after run in,always a good idea.Sounds great,what parts did you use.

[savirjack]

wow  thats a machine!!

[Shifterkartsforlyfe]

Shit man get some headers, your going to burn your valves running like that. No back pressure. Good luck with it.

[57642J]

NICE!!

[caponeauto]

thats fkn cool no ext'so u can c in it

[Shifterkartsforlyfe]

How much would this build cost?

[Drewtitus]

standard build around 2000$

[Shifterkartsforlyfe]

Yeah I found a short block with the crank and pistons in it for about $1795 but how much is everything else? Heads, cam, water pump etc.) The reason is I wanna drop a windsor in my 66' notchback.

[f20cmx5]

Seriously, only 2g? Including everything? Even the heads? Also, was that crane cam's roller set up? If so, whats the rev limit on those? Thanks

[PFarmer11]

What year Windsor is that? Ive got a 78 Im building now for a 95 mustang.

[Drewtitus]

1982 out of a bronco

[ksbsn88]

suprised you didn't burn your exhaust valves by running it without headers on it!

[f20cmx5]

What type of rpm can these 351 windsor's rev to? I heard somewhere that in the 70's ford's racing team was taking them to 9500.

[Drewtitus]

depends on the diff gear ratio and the trans behind it

[f20cmx5]

Thanks. I what if the trans and diff gear could handle extreme stress. What would be the redline?

[Drewtitus]

id guess about 7.5 or 8 maybe more i really couldnt tell ya

[ksbsn88]

it depends more on how light the valvetrain is and how heavy the valvesprings are, and also how well ballanced/light the bottom end is if you use titanium valves heavy springs, solid roller lifters, roller rockers, giant solid roller cam, some lightweight forged pistons, h-beam rods, forged crank, race bearings, and some heads & an intake that will flow more than 400cfm then throw a big carb. on it with some 2in primary tube headers you might be able to get up to 9500 without breaking anything

[f20cmx5]

Thanks man. You ever build a 351w?

[ksbsn88]

haha a handfull of them, i build race motors on the weekends been trying to start up a shop but it's kinda hard since i'm in college right now though

[mrwiggz05]

that had to be real loud

[jsusisaliv]

That will not hurt your valves. It can only warp them and is very slim with the engine on rack. Why valves warp with no exaust is they heat up then once the engine is turned off the valves are wide open to the cold outside air unlike if there is pipes installed.

[DobermansRock]

Whats your build package? And dyno test specs?

[baldcyclops]

Seems like a good way to melt exhaust valves to me.

[rebeldawg124009]

well it would "melt a valve" but it will start bendin them if the they was it run it for some time becuz the cold air out side and the fire would make the valves very soft and well the up down would cuz them to start bending

[baldcyclops]

Seems like a really good way to melt exhaust valves to me.

[ackpacket]

can you PM me and tell me why it would melt the valves? I've seen a lot of debate on how messing with the exhaust will or will not burn valves and I was wondering what your reasoning behind this was.

[viper2theend]

im cleanin up a cleveland myself..im not a fan of the windsor...but that is the cleanest ive seen one recently

[davidllucero]

Engine Factory ROCKS!

[MasterOfAngle]

fuckin nice...

[oldirontits]

great video man.

[Noon19]

haha this video kicks ass