Nana Is Top Tier

[PwnerGeist]

PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

[nahor88]

Fox: "WHHHHHAAAAAAT?!!"

[Zlashify]

LMAOOOO

[shadowtoast102]

@TheWarpedMind I think you mean,

Nana: Can't, (puts on sunglasses) let you do that, Star Fox.

(Fox's death cry is the YEEEEAAAAHHHH!)

[TheWarpedMind]

Nana:CAN'T LET YOU DO THAT, STAR FOX!

[XZAceXZ]

My favorite moment was at 0:05

[Samsasrenjet]

@XZAceXZ How?

[XZAceXZ]

@Samsasrenjet ummm.. go to 0:05 it doesnt exist there is nothing between 0:04 and 0:06 xD

[Samsasrenjet]

@XZAceXZ That's what I meant. How?

[XZAceXZ]

@Samsasrenjet lol >:^S

[IronBreloom]

Tiers? Do smogoneers play smash bros?

[TimeSpaceMage]

@IronBreloom

Tiers aren't just in pokemon. Welcome to fighting games =V

[gemininoiser]

@IronBreloom there are tiers in fighting games to, but it's a little bit different then smogon's pokemon tiers. Smogon's tiers are based on mostly usage, while in fighting games, characters are ranked based how good they actually are, and tournament results.

[SheltonBaseball123]

game is broken

[mariosonicfan2010]

NANA*

[mariosonicfan2010]

NAN FOR GOD TIER

[pikachuluver44]

Sorry man, I was laughing so hard I think I might have clicked the dislike button three times by accident!

[EL0tech]

love the dubstep @ 0:00 *

[EL0tech]

love the dubstep @ 0:01

[T9C1PSayWha]

Ooooooooo. Ouch. Nana wins lol

[sabrathw]

omg I laughed so hard when I watched this XD

[kolder123]

was i the only one with the boner?



[tsukinoakuma]

Nana? More like Nani! (must know Japanese to get the joke)

[TinTinFtw]

@tsukinoakuma You mean naoni? :s

[tsukinoakuma]

@TinTinFtw No, nani, meaning "what".

[zharnotczar]

@tsukinoakuma Hahaha ha... ha... ha...?

*knows Japanese, isn't impressed*

[GHTV07]

@zharnotczar

何 なに 1: what;

He was right, you should know japanese if you say so.

[zharnotczar]

@GHTV07 I'm confused.  Are you trying to insult me or tsukinoakuma or neither?

[TranceCore3]

If I give you a knife will you kill yourself? I'll give you 5 bucks if you do.

[tsukinoakuma]

@TranceCore3 Haters gonna hate.

[MessengerOfDreams]

It's even better in Sudden Death, when you're being Star KO'd and she bitchhammers you off the side of the screen right before you die. Best fuck-you ever. XD

[animeist72]

WHAT!?

[glitchman161]

The "WHHHHAAAAAAT???" by Fox fitted perfectly.

[Trudermark]

@glitchman161 It was more like a WOAAAAAA!

[RoxasElNumeroXIII]

Nana for god tier.

[UAMTL360]

lol, what were they doing at 0:01?

[MasterOfMist]

@UAMTL360 The wavedash?

[UAMTL360]

@MasterOfMist i dont think that was a wave dash it looked like the ice climbers were dancin lol

[Trudermark]

Replay! Replay!

[Trudermark]

Nana: >=(

[moomoomamoo]

This combo only works on melee and hit stun.

[SparkSSBM]

@moomoomamoo what are you talking about

[moomoomamoo]

@SparkSSBM Its a joke off of what normal Brawl vs Melee arguments. "Combos only work in melee cuz of his stun and lols." `-`

[SparkSSBM]

@moomoomamoo oh XD

[VideoViewer9002]

Silly Fox, TIERS ARE FOR QUEERS!

[boptosunshine]

Actually, whenever the game is over the magnifying bubbles dissapper

[jdecoud1]

This made me ROFL!

[shadowsifter396]

fox:FIYA!!!

popo:AH!!!

nana:EYH...DIE!!!!



[NatMage]

WIN

[martes37]

nana was always a ride or die chick. She's somewhat nerfed in brawl

[Gothgoddess512]

@martes37 Hmm what did they do to nerf her?

[mrdoingboing]

lol wavedashing Ice Climbers is win.

[liltoad2]

Nana SO top tier!:)

[JasonG1s]

sir thats some pro wave dash =D

[luigibarqs]

Nana: "How dare you hit my boyfriend!" D:<

*Smashes with hammer.*

[NatMage]

@luigibarqs Aren't they siblings...?

[luigibarqs]

@NatMage They are from a NES game from the 1980s, storylines and character biographies where not entirely common back then meaning that the answer could be just about anything since that was probably not even considered at the time of development.

[lloydude09]

cant let you love that, star fox.

[ruhtraeel]

That's the reason why she's only an accompanying character. She's only allowed to help if the other person is in deep trouble.

[DirtyRichboy]

"Any1 else get pregnant from that"

[silentazian]

What if it became sudden death stock battle?

[SuperMeowMeowKitty]

Nana: OBJECTION!

[lolzalot44]

nana's like "F*** THAT S***!!!"

[PhantomMarth]

nice i love it when nana does the spike and popo doesn't its EPIC

[Sveet]

I'm pretty sure you weren't dead off the top. That ain't falco.

[Gamatsu]

@Sveet True dat!

[4feelfear]

It's a trap!

[TheVenomousgamer]

no u.

[MahieSSB]

@Eddable14 Well Side B would have been even easier to dsmash, and diagonal would have been a fsmash :/

[Eddable14]

Fox's recovery was anepic fail. he should have done side b or go diagnoally and he would have lived :P

[Kisarez]

Look at that sick wavedashing too 0_o, can't do that I'm afraid.

The Nana kill was hilarious

[23catlover]

kaizo trap!

[Gonran]

I have seen a sudden death where popo is dieing on the top with a star ko, and nana decides to dsmash and kill the oponent

[BikouTenma]

Nana says "No, GTFO"

[cmgreen4]

lol. MAKE ME A SANDWICH OR WE DON'T SMASH TODAY

[luigibarqs]

Nana is win.

[electricdolphin]

"DONT HIT MAH MAN"

[sausabe]

Can't let you do that, Star Fox.

[SwampertMSTR13]

Just what I needed to see.

Star Nana.

[sausabe]

I approve. :D

[Kishiru324]

LOOOOOOL. xD

[ziccoo123]

@sausabe ANDROSS'S ENEMY, IS MY ENEMY

[noJutsu1000]

@sausabe HAHAHAHA. i fucking cracked up laughing so hard. how have i not seen your comment before?!

[riplix20]

Fox didnt expect this to happen

[Tacobff]

lmao this happened to me once

[XDRalTZXD]

epic :)

[Booginns]

barwl is not good

[Calvo819]

what the hell is barwl

[SpeedofSilver]

Don't you wish your girfriend/doubles partner was hot like Nana?

[crimson35124]

don't cha?

[uberbotz]

@SpeedofSilver sometimes

[CloudandSephiroth3]

nana is cool cuz she climbs ICE

cuz shes an ICE climber (:

[KillaBoy04]

That was SICK!

[mrbaconsock]

LOL.... soo funny

[GvilleOvaloD]

lol Nana was like STFU. i win.

[fawfulmark2]

the irony is....she IS top tier T_T

[MinorityNinjas]

Link is the truth. if you ain't spinning you ain't winning lol

[Ferriswheel32]

haha that was so cool. i would love it if that was the grand finals in mlg XD

[cargochaos]

lmao

[GawdImTom]

Nana joins the ranks of MK in the god-tier.

[falconpwnch]

don't bring brawl up in melee videos

[GawdImTom]

I effing hate brawl. Don't get me wrong. Just pointing out how retarded it is.

[TheStar73]

i hate melee because of how they ruined some good characters like kirby and ness

[GawdImTom]

Are you serious? What about Captain Falcon? Does he mean nothing to you? And Fox? For shame...

[TheStar73]

sorry im not fan of those peoples

i just like ness and kirby + pika and mario through out the whole series but in melee u have to agree ness and kirby were horrible

they became better in brawl tho

[kaimisawesome]

idk what you're talking about.. ness and kirby are fine.

kirby has unbelievably high knockback in his attacks and more than decent priority

ness' only fault, as is in smash64 and brawl is his upB recovery.. of course there are gonna be faggots that try to flub you up. but other than that ness is just fine.

also to end my rant, no characters suck.. its the player.

[TheStar73]

if u main them in all 3 games u would know they are the worse in melee then they are in brawl and ssb

[kaimisawesome]

i dont main them but ive played them all 3 and they're all fine to me.. theres nothing wrong with them that i see.. different movesets but thats it.

if you really think they suck in melee then you probably just werent good with them

[thebrin123456789]

...kirby is bottom tier in melee and high tier in brawl.

GGs

[kaimisawesome]

tiers are nothing more than numbers and statistics pulled together from tourneys to show matchups. in otherwords they're GUIDELINES not GUARANTEES

i dont believe in tiers because the game takes more than numbers and stats to play. in the right hands kirby is a deadly mofo.

even if i did believe in tiers, brawl only has 2 tiers: "Broken" and "Normal".

There are only 2 under broken and thats Metaknight and Toon Link. Everyone else is on even grounds because of how balanced the game is.

[thebrin123456789]

...OBJECTION

tiers are based on actual evidence. and tourneys. that is LEGIT INFORMATION. and of course tiers exist. any half decent meta or snake will rape any bottom tier, guarunteed.

and toon link is broken tier? what?

[kaimisawesome]

1. You just repeated what i stated on what tiers are. I didnt say they werent legit info, nor did I say they were fake. I simply stated they were numbers and statistics from tournaments to show matchups

2. I didnt say tiers dont exist, I said I dont believe in tiers.

3. Snake is nothing special, he just requires heavy mindgames and land control because of his outrageous power and knockback.

4. Yes Toon Link broken tier

5. Any shitty MK would rape anyone, teach them B attacks and they win

[thebrin123456789]

1. true. but you said that no characters suck. which is very wrong. pretty much the borrom 1/4th of the tier list sucks. its the player that makes them good, but the character themselves still sick

2. tiers are TRUE though. have you were seen a low tier win a major tourney? or even a character out of top/high winning a major tournament? i didnt think so

3. snake is amazing. he is ridiculous, only second to MK in the game.

[thebrin123456789]

4. LOL ur funny. toon link is top of MID tier

5. HAHA YOU REALLY ARE FUNNY. what you said could be true...if the shield button didnt exist. however, it does. bait and punish? shield and punish? disjointed attacks through B moves? please. MK's B moves are the most overrated moves in the game

[kaimisawesome]

shields there but that doesnt mean it'll help especially if they spam neutral B.

all they gotta do is his neutral B, move away before it finishes then use again.

this game doesn't take much skill to play because of how ridiculously balanced it is. only thing i do admit it takes is mindgames but thats it.

say what you want toon link is broken. his attacks are fast and strong, his smashes are too strong for his own good, he's way too floaty and has a lot of pressure game.

[thebrin123456789]

if they spam B? you shield it and punish. about only 5% of all chars dont have a reliable move to counter it, and even if you do suck at counterint nado, you just shield and punish. if MK moves away GRAB or ATTACK. hes in freefall afterwards. tis not thard hard. TL has NOTHING on MK, snake, g&w, d3, falco, etc. TL is good, but hes not broken.

[kaimisawesome]

yeah because they're always gonna be in the air when the neutral B finishes.

say what you want toon link is broken.

[kaimisawesome]

Every character has potential it just takes the right player to bring it out. Every character has faults but alongside those faults are strengths.

Saying tiers are true doesn't make me believe in them any harder. I acknowledge they are there, I don't follow them.

Again Snake is a powerhouse with land control, that is all.

I dont keep up to date with brawl because im not serious about it. I managed to beat some of the better players in casual play in hawaii using bowser jiggs ganon and IC

[thebrin123456789]

yes, i already said that good players can even made a bad character look good. however, a bad character is a bad character. it doesnt matter whos using the character, the character is still bad.

[kaimisawesome]

no character is bad, if you think they're bad then you must not be very good with them.

im no pro with any of the brawl characters but i know i can play all of them and none of them are bad.

[thebrin123456789]

none are bad? you have obviously never seen falcon, ganon, or link.

[kaimisawesome]

like i said in my previous comment

"im no pro with any of the brawl characters but i know i can play all of them and none of them are bad"

because of the games laid back style its hard for someone like me to take it seriously, so whenever i do play brawl i play everyone. course i have my favorites but i switch it up because staying as one person is boring.

even in melee i played more than one person because staying as one guy got boring.

if anything my REAL forté is jiggs

[kaimisawesome]

sure i had my struggles with them but you know what it didnt take long to get the hang of it. i was able to learn every characters weight, speed, advantages, disadvantages, attack frames/length etc. and use that to my own advantage against other people in friendlies. yeah those 3 got nerfed, i admit it but you learn to deal with it and find new ways to play with them. thats what makes a good player

[thebrin123456789]

yea...some characters just dont have the right advantages to make them a godo character, ya know? a good player can transform any character int oa good combination, but the character itself is BAD

[kaimisawesome]

look we can keep going back and forth on this and i'll never waiver but the truth of the matter is we both feel very strongly about our sides of the topic. you'll just keep saying "the characters bad" i'll just keep saying "the players bad not the character" and it'll get us no where.

i dont see what makes a bad character in your PoV but to me what makes a bad character is someone who can NEVER win no matter how hard you try.. or someone who can NEVER lose.

[thebrin123456789]

ok... let me put it this way. in a major tourney, why do ONLY several select characters win? BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD

why do "bad" characters never win? if your theory is correct, then any character should be able to win efficiently. but as tourney results show, only select do. which indicates GOOD and BAD characters

[kaimisawesome]

your so called "good" characters win cause obviously the player was good

the so called "bad" characters as you put it dont win cause the players werent good enough obviously

i dont know what theory you're talking about either. you're putting way too much focus on the characters and not enough on the players. it just so happens the real good players just chose those characters, why? more than likely preference or fitting to their play style. or maybe they just like that character.

[kaimisawesome]

this brings me back to your "tiers"

i remind you on what you know already that it is numbers and stats based on what was seen at tourneys to show match ups on who is supposed to be better than the other, in other words GUIDELINES not GUARANTEES.

what YOU'RE trying to tell me is the greatest player in the world would lose using a "low tier" character against someone brand spanking new to the game who doesn't understand the simple game mechanics who used a "high tier" character.

[thebrin123456789]

of course not. player skill does matter. however, in equal player skill, a higher tier character will PROBABLY win over a character on a lower tier. which seperates the good from the bad

[suhimoon]

skill comes into play also. I AM NOW GOING TO EAT A POTATO. RATKATCHATCHA

[kanashiipanda]

MELEE > BRAWL

[kaimisawesome]

Since you're talking about players of equal skill let me bring up the case of Ken and Isai.

Ken and Isai are pretty much on equal grounds yet Ken chooses the high tier Marth and Isai chooses the not-as-high tier C. Faclon. Isai still manages to pull his share of wins off Ken.

Also I'd like to point out that yes I know Ken was ranked higher than Isai but that doesn't excuse the fact Isai won against Ken as much as he lost against him.

[thebrin123456789]

wrong. ken > isai. by a long shot. Ken was the best melee player in the world, no contest, and isai didnt even get into MLG 2007 (pretty sure). and ken > isai for the most part. yes, isai can win maybe a couple of times but for the most part its ken. and its not even because of the charaacter. its also because ken > isai

[spearofjesus]

Isai and Ken were on pretty much equal grounds. In the MLG New York Championship match, Isai and Ken played 10 games and each player won 5 games. Ken won only because Isai had been sent to the Loser's Bracket early on.

And kaimi, tiers do not matter as much as matchups do. It just so happens that Marth vs. CF is a rather notorious 50/50 matchup, and with each playing possessing relatively equal skill (although Isai is a lot sexier), of course isai would pull of his share of kills.

[thebrin123456789]

ken was undoubtly the best player in the world. isai is good, really good, like REALLY REALLY good, but not at ken, azen, and/or M2K level.

[HiddenTriagram]

Like it matters, Isai never really took Melee seriously.

He's a god at SSB though.

[kyuukyuu]

This is wrong in so many ways.

Re-read what the tiers mean and are meant for so you don't look stupid.

[kaimisawesome]

I know what they are and what they're meant for

Must I say it again? I DON'T BELIEVE IN TIERS

[kyuukyuu]

You don't know what they are nor what they are meant for, because the post you made before and the examples you attempted to produce are completely uninformed in every single way. Have a good day.

[kaimisawesome]

What more could they be used for other than statistics of character match ups from tourneys?

It's basically saying "person A is better than person B because person A has an apparent advantage over him in terms of range, speed, power and priority thus making person A the better pick against person B"

[schoin]

Hey kaimi I'm with you on this. Although match ups do exist it's all based on theory, eg marth has a disjointed hitbox and largest grab range in the game and thus should in theory pwn those without disjointed and small grab ranges but when we bring in characters like gojira and gimpy (two players who say f**k u to tiers) we see that match ups are well and truly ONLY theory.

and for those still not convinced that tiers are not absolute here are 2 words 'jigglypuff' and 'mango'

[RunsWithScissors61]

If tiers don't exist, how would you explain the two versions of Melee Sheik (PAL and NTSC), PAL being noticeably worse than NTSC Sheik compared to a relatively unchanged cast?

[schoin]

I'm sorry I don't fully understand your question RunsWithScissors. If you rephrase precisely what you mean I'd be happy to give my opinion.

My point to clarify was not questioning the existence of tiers but questioning those who view tiers as absolute melee law because a lot of it is theory. Mindgames for example could completely turn a match around even if both players were at similar skill levels.

[RunsWithScissors61]

Basically, what I'm saying is, take Sheik A (PAL) versus Sheik B (NTSC).

Compared to Sheik B, Sheik A's dthrow has too much of a horizontal send (meaning no chaingrab), and has less kill power in several moves.

This means that Sheik A has less tools to offer than Sheik B. The same player using Sheik A and Sheik B will get lesser results with Sheik A than Sheik B.

I don't think anybody seriously considers Melee tiers the law, all the good players know skill comes first by a lot.

[schoin]

OK yeah I see where you're coming from and yes if the SAME player were to use them then yes tiers would be law but it's the fact no two players are the same that prevents the tiers from being law and I'm glad that you understand my point.

Unfortunately there are actually people who think otherwise and my comments were in retaliation to their views, I guess it's because I'm an IC main and hate marth/fox scrubs who think they're better than everyone because they can play with a top tier char.

[killstealer4]

Uhm, in case you haven't noticed, the majority of Tourney smashers are WAAY better than the average smasher. So logically, taking statistics from tournaments is correct to form "Tiers."

How the heck is Toon Link broken? You can SDI and TDI out of the 2nd slash of his Fsmash. If he misses the 2nd slash, he has major lag time, allowing him to be severely punished. His Fair has terrible start up lag. And only kills at high%s. Dair? Sure it spikes/meteors but what if you miss? All those factors...

[killstealer4]

Along with his light weight, make for an easy kill for characters like Snake and Falco.

Yes player skill accounts for everything, but its just that if a high skill player picks a low tiered character while facing a low skill player using a high tiered character, the low tier will generally have a harder time fighting. Yes, there are pro low tiers like Rebaz and Taj, but the majority of pro low tiers to pro high is very unproportional. Its just that all the higher tiered characters have...

[killstealer4]

A higher potential to combo ("Brawl" Lol) and just better in all around usage. Of course play styles vary from region to region, but generally, the Highs are highs and the Lows are lows. There is no way for a game to create a seriously balanced game like smash without major redesign.

[zainpure]

who the hell would call toon link op lol hes not even close

[MetaKnightsKirby]

i no, i mean how is toon link O.P?

better than link tho by MILES

[Draglx]

Tiers r 4 queers :P

[akabradang526]

LOLL

[Doussbm]

Well... popo didn't die, he just wasn't above the imaginary ceiling anymore ; he clearly didn't have enough % to die because of a firefox.

[HiddenTriagram]

Thats what you think.

[BlazinBobs]

Nana is the best

[SonicGamer333]

actually, tiers are for those who want to do fairly well in competitive play.

[Mainac666]

=o nice!

[DontEatTheFish73]

that's fuckin awesome

[alexis515148]

Nana for god tier! she can get hit without taking damage! (lolwut)

[KazeKishi]

hope you're being sarcastic o_O

if not, then you should know Nana does have her own damage percentage not shown to the players

[warlocklink]

NANAAAA xD funny video xD

[frhornguy3]

Nana is sexy!

[ssbrawlerK]

YESSS