Grayson is radical liberal blowhard that has tried to bully his opinion down everyone's throat. No one listens to him anymore-he'll be voted out in the next election just like all the other arrogant, uncompromising assholes of his party-regardless if he thinks he's Bob Dylan-what a joke.
@snuffyguff Alan Grayson has an interesting history. I am sure that if he hadn't taken those whistle blower cases, more american troops would been electrocuted by miswired showers and poisoned by rotten food. The Bush admin sat on the cases while people were being killed in an effort to improve profits just a little bit. For this alone, he is a hero.
HA! That silence after he dropped the belch comment was deafening. Excellent work by Grayson. Finally we have someone on the left that knows how to use the media.
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Grayson is embarrassing liberals everywhere. Just because some republicans are acting like small children doesn't mean democrats should respond in kind.
Well here is the problem. Liberals have tried being nice and courteous to their fellow politicians and people are more shocked at the crimes a democrat does compared to my fellow republicans.
Think about all the falling our the republican party has had in 2009. The party of "values" has had affairs, committed fraud, defamed the president when he was invited to congress. Nobody is shocked at what republicans do anymore.
Sad part is people like those who are loud because it gets attention.
Oh but they certainly should respond in kind. Maybe a prolonged period of public humiliation will remind the Republicans that they should get back to fiscal concerns and leave the caring for humanity to the Libs. If the Republicans countered any of his arguments with facts and figures, they might gain ground, but I'm expecting more belching.
keep it up grayson keep the flat earters on the defensive all the time keep attacking them its what the birther party will do the moment they get power back if they ever do your not dealing with equals here they are ignorant of facts and plainly bigoted and charish unintelligent though , they actually think the earth is 5000 years old
The lying, fear-monger Fox "News" station that exists to appease ignorant ideologies, is claiming that being called out on their bullshit is persecution? The Republitards will eat it right up of course.
Joe Wilson got into more trouble for telling the truth than Barack Obama got into by telling a demonstrable lie about adding millions of people to the insurance rolls without adding a dime to the deficit. As regards providing medical insurance for illegal immigrants, I doubt that the president will do that. More likely, he will legalize them first and then give them medical insurance.
Oh man, I love this guy. A belch means to expel gas noisily from the stomach through the mouse. I mean that is AWESOME. Take that Joe wilson. hahahaha. A belch, I mean what other politician can say that? Wow
Come on liberals. I know you think profits are evil and insurance and drug companies are the enemy. But those "evil" drug and insurance companies also work to develop life saving drugs.
Make no mistake, under a private capitalist system you will have CEOs and the alike who make millions and millions but those "evil" profits are ALSO used for medical research and advancements in treatment. When you take out the profits you lose that too. Money is the insentive to advance medicine!
we ca discuss an long as you want about non-profits in health care and education and why it's important to keep it non-profit so theat ALL the Americans have a better quality of life and be educated and competitive .... but the real problem is the costs in sectors that produce health and education. Compared to Europe Americans are STRANGLED not by taxes but by premiums and loans. In Europe you pay between 65 and 95% less for colleges and health care through taxes only and no bankrupt
I guess it depends on where in America you may be. I, like most Americans, live in a major city. I have a mortgage and car loan and those payments are still lower then I pay for all the taxes I have to pay. In particular my property taxes are through the roof as in most major US cities. Add on sales taxes and all the other hidden taxes and fees that keep growing (where I live cell phone, garbage, hospital beds, and many more).
Most Americans are STRANGLED by taxes NOT loans / premiums.
You pay for the public option if you want it. That's all that's being proposed. If you want to extrapolate that into some fanciful doomsday scenario where death squads take over and rape your wallet, go ahead; but don't act like that's the fact.
First, it is only an option if you have a choice. Second, I favor the public option IF it is self-sustaining and CANNOT be taken over by the government if it fails.
Gillz17 WE DON'T NEED HEALTHCARE INSURANCE COMPANIES!!! They don't know shit about medicine and are between you and your doctor and this is the reason why more than 65% of doctors and a much higher number of nurses want the public option because they have no voice and only get 10% of the money. In Europe doctors get money from the government in the morning working in public hospitals and salaries for clinics and proiate studios in the evening.
So according to you MrFreedomdemocracy, it would be better to put the govt in between us and our healthcare than insurance companies? You are highly mislead. Maybe you should look at how the insurance is regulated instead of claiming all these people want their govt. in charge. With govt subsidies and regional monopolies of insurance companies, there is no real competition. They need to introduce cross state buys so the consumer can create competition. No govt is going to create it.
WE DON'T NEED GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE! Government pretends they are there to help the people. They bring in "experts" that are predetermined to say the things they want them to say to try and fool people into thinking govt's ideas are best. In the US doctors limit the number of Medicare patients they see because they lose money on treating them.
Also 45% of doctors say they will quit if Obamacare passes. So you will have MANY more patients and FAR less doctors to treat them.
I don't know where you pulled your 45% of doctors will quit statistic, but even if it's true many of us don't care. Insurance companies have had a long time to clean up their acts and stop fucking us over, and it's clear that we need the law to step in. What do you do when a thief rolls into your house, takes your stuff, and you catch him? You get the police involved.
Moreover the Insurance Companies have themselves prove to be uncontrollable with threats of raising premiums by 111% by 2017 (?)
Also to you... the 45% of doctors that would quit if Obamacare passes comes from an IBD/TIPP poll.
You should care about that if it is even half that number. Obamacare will instantly add many millions more patients and there will be fewer doctors to see them.
Moreover, GOVERNMENT has been "fucking us over" (to use your terminology) for decades. Medicare broke, Social Security broke. I could go on. Existing govt programs need to be reformed. We don't need new ones.
the "45% of doctors" who say they will quit are the money grubbers who aren't in primary care anyways. they're not helping the average american in the first place. they've already made their bank doing lipo and boobjobs. they can quit because they can afford it, and they won't be missed.
For the record the 45% of doctors that would quit if Obamacare passes comes from an IBD/TIPP poll. While I should have cited that source to begin with I was replying to a guy who was throwing out uncited numbers as well.
Now as to your response. I guess you are saying that nearly 45% of doctors are the ones doing lipo and boobjobs.
Again, the money that good doctors make in the US is what brings them here. Take that away and you are left with the quacks.
The majority (99.9999%) of foreign medical graduates come here, fill primary care positions. They fill positions that US graduates do not want.
The average annual salary of a primary care physician can expect is 100k. That is good money already. The average specialist can triple that easily. So if you're a medical grad in the US looking to pay off your debt,.... you would choose a specialty over primary care any day.
The ones that would quit are the rich specialists.
The funniest part of all this is how so many are buying the complete BS that you can force insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions, not allow them to up charge for these conditions. force them to have no upper limits as to what they may have to pay out, cover more routine expenses.....and oh yes...
We are going to do all of this at LOWER COSTS?
Hard to believe so many are so easily duped with such outrageous claims......but they are.
The bill doesn't cover illegasl AT ALL. It doesn't deny emergency as a human condition (but this is happening right now without the bill and it happens in any civil country in the world), and of course if you want to BUY a PRIVATE COVERAGE it doesn't deny that, but still today the insurance companies are very happy to suck blood from everyone ... illegal immigrants included.
.... and BTW this is an health care bill, not an immigration bill. If you want to regulate illegal immigration work on a bill for that because once illegal immigration is regulated, only then you can have an impact on health care bills, education bills etc.
Instead to be worried so much about the illegal immigration problem, which is anyway a big one but must be covered in another bill, why don't you lower the cost of what Americans really pay and stop complaining about taxes. In Europe with the same salary you pay taxes, have one job, all the services and 5 weeks holidays. In the US you pay taxes+ premiums+ loans. You pay 85% of your salary for zero services, 2-3 jobs and zero holidays.
when the bill is passed you can come back and explain to me why the bill insures illegals! since there are 5 different bills that no one from the democrat party can agree on we will just have to wait and see what happens. Mark my words Joe Wilson was right...Obama did lie!
it insures mexican nationals who have working visa's, you moron. when they have a working visa, taxes are taken out of their paycheck the same as ours. obama didn't lie, you're just too fucking stupid to understand the issue, cletus. now go skin a rabbit, you dumb hick.
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WOW at least the propaganda arm of the Obama administration is still running in the red, makes it easy to sift through the bullshit and figure out whos telling the truth FOX 1 OBAMA 0
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Joe Wilson told the truth.
Grayson hurls insults. I wish he didn't because i like the guy. I believe he has good intentions but he may screw up his chances at re-election if he keeps it up.
Why do I say Wilson told the truth.
Technically...
Amnesty + public option = all illegal immigrants insured through amnesty.
Ahhh, look at all the bullshitters working hard over thanksgiving. Well done guys. Do you even know what you're saying? You realize what you're doing there?
Michele Backman "hurls insults" all the time, did she get reelected? Also, your argument is moot about illegal immigrants because they can get health insurance RIGHT NOW by buying it from an insurance company (whom I'm sure love that extra business) The public option would be just like any other insurance company, just one run by the government, so it wouldn't give any additional rights to illegal immigrants. And Grayson's right: people die from no insurance, and repubs like the status quo.
Hell, both sides are almost saying the same thing. dems want to prevent sickness, reps say dont get sick. dems say if you do get sick, ur covered, reps say hurry up and die, ur wasting our money being sick.
well, maybe not the same. LOL. prevention of sickness part, yes. At the same time, when someone gets sick,usually when they catch it early, the chances of cure are hIgher depending on what it is. W/ the reps, they dont want to cover u once your sick. that sounds like a death panel to me.
Our healthcare system is broken. Our health insurance is also broken.
The heart of the problem lies with the lega profession, frivolous lawsuits grabbing for the brass ring.
And, the doctors, stealing from thier own practices and the nurses and bookkeepers seeing the doctors stealing from their own practices also steal from the doctors.
And the hospitals, seeking the best doctors, buy too much unneeded high tech diagnostic equipment. And the defensive medicine practiced by doctors, also a lega
And then there is the illegal alien problem using emergency rooms for routine health care. And for emergency services at no cost. And there is the problem of poor people with no health care and those who use drugs and have std's including AIDS and Hepatitis C who burn tax dollars for care.
Give it to the government and see how bad it CAN be. It is horrible now, it will be horrible X 10 if the government takes over. Not to mention the authority the government will gain over your freedoms.
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Grayson is both a liar and an political hack. His 15 minutes of fame should have be over by now. What he did was prove that the Democrats and the President NEVER wanted a bipartisan bill in the first place. This is all about their takeover of healthcare and the lies they will tell to get you to support them.
Go to their website. They have put forth lots of ideas to actually lower healthcare costs. The problem is that none of them gets the Democrats closer to what they really want, single payer, government run healthcare.
Its not about what democrats want, and thats what I like about Alan Grayson. He often brings in questions from his contituency, and is clearly concerned about dying Americans.
If this were a government takeover of healthcare, then you wouldn't have the option to keep your rip off private insurance when this bill passes. In this scenario, YOU DO. So the idea that Americans would reject such an improvement because they think its a takeover (that uses their own voting power) is ridiculous.
So the republicans wanted to be bipartisan? REALLY?! You must be totally blind. What bold plan do the republicans have that they DIDNT enact in the last 8 years of their 1-party rule? Or were they just waiting until they got their collective asses handed to them in an election cycle before trying to do something GOOD for the American people other than starting two godawful wars?!
I am laughing because you call my comment extreme..... meanwhile, you cling to Grayson's ass hairs as he spouts a shitload of extremist bullshit. Wow, you really are a TOOL.
You calling Grayson's statement "extremist bullshit" is like the pot calling the kettle black. Like I said, you're irrational, extreme, negative, ignorant, and completely boring and predictable. Get your head out of your ass and get a life, will you?
The Corporate Mockingbirds tried their best to marginalize Rep. Grayson and every effort failed.
After the disaster the Republicans left this country in and the overwhelming genuine Grass Root support of the masses, the Democrats will not have any viable excuse come 2010.
Replace Weak Kneed Reid with Sen Feingold and TAB Pelosi with Grayson and then the real work will commence.
Yeah, right! He is just getting started. He has more support than ever! Get used to it. I hope his growing popularity will cause others to grow some balls.
Apparently he's not rich enough to become senator. Money and shit. That's how you get into office, money and shit. Some backstabbing comes into play given different circumstances.
Apparently you don't understand that Senators are elected to 6 yr terms. The Incumbent running was a Democrat, Sen. Nelson. The other seat was held by a Republican(Martinez) who resigned. The Republican Governor appointed a Republican to his seat. George Lemiux will fill out Sen. Martinez's term which ends in 2010. Then Rep. Grayson may run for the seat.
In a nutshell, he meant he was civilized as oppose to the not that civilized Joe Wilson. That's the inference I can make. Am I right or wrong with my inference?
All progressives have to do is tell the truth. And that is all this guy is doing.
The Republican task of defending The Wall Street Crime Syndicate, Our Corporate Overlords and Big Religion takes a little more "sophistication." (Word derived from the Greek Sophists -- masters of rhetoric, trained to argue any point eloquently, and showing "truth" and "reality" to be charming, irrelevant old fashioned notions.)
Republicans are professional liars. Progressives just tell the truth.
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HA! If progressives told the truth about their positions they couldn't be elected dog catcher. No, they have to keep their positions secret and speak from the center to get elected. Then, they use parliamentary tricks to sneak their agendas in, like attaching tax hikes into highway safety bills.
Progressives want to spend money on the American people, renewable energy, health care, infrastructure, education, urban renewal, small family farms, organic farms, small businesses, etc.
Republicans want to spend money on wars, killing, bombs and bombers. The American people can eat shit, as long as the Corporate Overlords and Weapons Whores are staying filthy rich.
Its easy to sell the progressive agenda to the American people. Just tell the truth.
He tickles me. He's not really adding to the discourse but you need to have an Angry Guy in your party. Anthony Weiner is the The Snarky One and Grayson is the Kiss My Ass one. lol
Absolutely. Look what they did with the 'bi-partisan' debate. The republicans have done -nothing- to add to the discourse. They have lied so methodically, so pervasively, so infuriatingly about absolutely -everything- that it's really good to see a democrat rise and say "enough with this bullshit".
When the democrats caved in on everything you cared to mention the republicans demanded an apology every time. How many more apologies are they going to ask of him? He did it right the first time.
The first thing he did on the floor, I thought "that's awesome!", then his next thing, I was like "wow, this dude is sticking to his guns!", but now that he's just so consistently awesome, I think I can look forward to him sticking around for a while. I didn't think the democrats had in them a mechanism of self-correction, but though he is just one man, I think he's going to really shape democrats to be more tough against the republicans. Go Grayson!
This guy is one of the few Democrats with a spine, who stands up for his progressive principals and really states his mind, and doesn't stand behind manufactured centrist positions. He is truly a hero. I hope he runs for president in 2012 or 2016. Obama was never anywhere near this legitimate, and people heralded him as a populist. I think Grayson has the guts to win.
Grayson is taking the Cesar Milan approach in how you deal with GOPers. "Calm and assertive"
They're like your pet dogs, you love them and they're part of the family, but you just can't let them run the house hold.
If another dog, on the side of the fence, was barking, your dog would treat it as a threat but you know it can't hurt you, so you control your dog. Dogs simply can't rap their head around certain concepts.
I notice the GOP backed down on the 'apology'...lol...If they had not demanded Grayson to apologize, they could have minimized Grayson's damaging speech on the house floor....but nooo...they faked outrage and it came back and bit them in the ass! I love this guy and Weiner!
I give you a thumbs up on Grayson but what has Weiner done in a non-partisan fashion? For example protecting our wealth from the Fed by aggressively demanding accountability.
Right now, as we speak, the inner cabal of the Conservapathic coalition must be puking blood over Grayson. He is a boulder of Kryptonite slamming into their Fortress of Squalitude. They have no defense for open scorn and clearly stated exposing of their lies and warped half-facts.
Grayson is radical liberal blowhard that has tried to bully his opinion down everyone's throat. No one listens to him anymore-he'll be voted out in the next election just like all the other arrogant, uncompromising assholes of his party-regardless if he thinks he's Bob Dylan-what a joke.
daverod66 1 year ago
Grayson is a fool. The Democrats plan says die quickly
78489789676658754335 1 year ago
This guy is delusional if he thinks he is like Bob Dylan. More like Sloth from the Goonies
gilmore2773 2 years ago
Man I love that congressman!!!
bluehoneycomb 2 years ago
It's true, Grayson had a planned out presentation, all Wilson did was yell "YOU LIE!" during a joint session of congress.
jonathanwindham 2 years ago
Alan Grayson is a true American hero!
snuffyguff 2 years ago 2
@snuffyguff Alan Grayson has an interesting history. I am sure that if he hadn't taken those whistle blower cases, more american troops would been electrocuted by miswired showers and poisoned by rotten food. The Bush admin sat on the cases while people were being killed in an effort to improve profits just a little bit. For this alone, he is a hero.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
Finally...at long last...a Democrat with balls. Wow!!
DillonX 2 years ago 3
I am ashamed this guy represent my state ! !
CubanExile 2 years ago
he represents a district
DavosLogos 2 years ago
I"m not only proud that he is a democrat with balls but that he represent my district.
cheoquiles 2 years ago 2
You are no Bob Dylan.
NotEasilyRegimented 2 years ago
this guy needs to wear a dress and sit down when he pees
bigdogsdontbark 2 years ago
Love this guy. Watch the original, it was even better than a Bob Dylan song!
sublimeZB 2 years ago
Grayson took the podium and here's what he said:
"The G.O.P and their lobbyists want to see you dead."
"Out of line! you Socialist" they said in unison
"We'll see you grovel on the floor just like our guy Wilson"
"I'll take a pass on that one" said Grayson with a wink.
"And give America a health care bill that doesn't stink."
"Argh" they said. "We'll get you. Watch your back. We'll make you pay!"
Said Grayson with a snicker. Go ahead and make my day...
patriciaredstone 2 years ago 4
boring
09090985 2 years ago
HA! That silence after he dropped the belch comment was deafening. Excellent work by Grayson. Finally we have someone on the left that knows how to use the media.
idlefritz 2 years ago 5
If Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, and Grayson were the Beatles, the modern-day Republican Party would be Milli Vanilli.
RonPaulGeorgeRingo 2 years ago 2
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Grayson is embarrassing liberals everywhere. Just because some republicans are acting like small children doesn't mean democrats should respond in kind.
EternityThought 2 years ago
Well here is the problem. Liberals have tried being nice and courteous to their fellow politicians and people are more shocked at the crimes a democrat does compared to my fellow republicans.
Think about all the falling our the republican party has had in 2009. The party of "values" has had affairs, committed fraud, defamed the president when he was invited to congress. Nobody is shocked at what republicans do anymore.
Sad part is people like those who are loud because it gets attention.
Luinreg 2 years ago
Oh but they certainly should respond in kind. Maybe a prolonged period of public humiliation will remind the Republicans that they should get back to fiscal concerns and leave the caring for humanity to the Libs. If the Republicans countered any of his arguments with facts and figures, they might gain ground, but I'm expecting more belching.
idlefritz 2 years ago
If he went to Bush's joint speech and screamed "you make people die", then yes it would be the same.
YankeeGlacier 2 years ago
keep it up grayson keep the flat earters on the defensive all the time keep attacking them its what the birther party will do the moment they get power back if they ever do your not dealing with equals here they are ignorant of facts and plainly bigoted and charish unintelligent though , they actually think the earth is 5000 years old
jesse1779 2 years ago
The lying, fear-monger Fox "News" station that exists to appease ignorant ideologies, is claiming that being called out on their bullshit is persecution? The Republitards will eat it right up of course.
ProgressiveAction10 2 years ago
Lol, and your name has "progressive" in it. That's some good shit.
houstonrockets616 2 years ago
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ryanshaunkelly 2 years ago
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Joe Wilson got into more trouble for telling the truth than Barack Obama got into by telling a demonstrable lie about adding millions of people to the insurance rolls without adding a dime to the deficit. As regards providing medical insurance for illegal immigrants, I doubt that the president will do that. More likely, he will legalize them first and then give them medical insurance.
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-- Thomas Sowell
TylerNull 2 years ago
Oh man, I love this guy. A belch means to expel gas noisily from the stomach through the mouse. I mean that is AWESOME. Take that Joe wilson. hahahaha. A belch, I mean what other politician can say that? Wow
09088908 2 years ago
GOOGLE SEARCH: judge carter santa ana, ca..A trial date HAS been set, Jan.11th...THE TRUTH IS COMING!!
MrThomasPAIN 2 years ago
Keep goin' rep. Grayson, it feels good to hear the truth instead of what is PC. I wish your colleagues had half your tenacity.
billeybop 2 years ago
Lying louder than everyone else is still lying.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Grayson didn't scream at the President either. He's also right.
themarycity 2 years ago
This guy is great
andrewh23 2 years ago
Come on liberals. I know you think profits are evil and insurance and drug companies are the enemy. But those "evil" drug and insurance companies also work to develop life saving drugs.
Make no mistake, under a private capitalist system you will have CEOs and the alike who make millions and millions but those "evil" profits are ALSO used for medical research and advancements in treatment. When you take out the profits you lose that too. Money is the insentive to advance medicine!
Gillz17 2 years ago
Gillz17
we ca discuss an long as you want about non-profits in health care and education and why it's important to keep it non-profit so theat ALL the Americans have a better quality of life and be educated and competitive .... but the real problem is the costs in sectors that produce health and education. Compared to Europe Americans are STRANGLED not by taxes but by premiums and loans. In Europe you pay between 65 and 95% less for colleges and health care through taxes only and no bankrupt
MrFreedomdemocracy 2 years ago
I guess it depends on where in America you may be. I, like most Americans, live in a major city. I have a mortgage and car loan and those payments are still lower then I pay for all the taxes I have to pay. In particular my property taxes are through the roof as in most major US cities. Add on sales taxes and all the other hidden taxes and fees that keep growing (where I live cell phone, garbage, hospital beds, and many more).
Most Americans are STRANGLED by taxes NOT loans / premiums.
Gillz17 2 years ago
Most American are not strangled by taxes, but by debt. Medical DEBT.
themarycity 2 years ago 3
The issue is who controls the money. I think since I earn it, I should decide how it is spent, not the federal government.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
im so glad idiots like you have no power in our government anymore.
Username2322 2 years ago
You pay for the public option if you want it. That's all that's being proposed. If you want to extrapolate that into some fanciful doomsday scenario where death squads take over and rape your wallet, go ahead; but don't act like that's the fact.
skybluesky 2 years ago 2
First, it is only an option if you have a choice. Second, I favor the public option IF it is self-sustaining and CANNOT be taken over by the government if it fails.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Gillz17 WE DON'T NEED HEALTHCARE INSURANCE COMPANIES!!! They don't know shit about medicine and are between you and your doctor and this is the reason why more than 65% of doctors and a much higher number of nurses want the public option because they have no voice and only get 10% of the money. In Europe doctors get money from the government in the morning working in public hospitals and salaries for clinics and proiate studios in the evening.
Univ. educ. allows to cover doctors demand
MrFreedomdemocracy 2 years ago
So according to you MrFreedomdemocracy, it would be better to put the govt in between us and our healthcare than insurance companies? You are highly mislead. Maybe you should look at how the insurance is regulated instead of claiming all these people want their govt. in charge. With govt subsidies and regional monopolies of insurance companies, there is no real competition. They need to introduce cross state buys so the consumer can create competition. No govt is going to create it.
Zoklor 2 years ago 2
WE DON'T NEED GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE! Government pretends they are there to help the people. They bring in "experts" that are predetermined to say the things they want them to say to try and fool people into thinking govt's ideas are best. In the US doctors limit the number of Medicare patients they see because they lose money on treating them.
Also 45% of doctors say they will quit if Obamacare passes. So you will have MANY more patients and FAR less doctors to treat them.
Gillz17 2 years ago
I don't know where you pulled your 45% of doctors will quit statistic, but even if it's true many of us don't care. Insurance companies have had a long time to clean up their acts and stop fucking us over, and it's clear that we need the law to step in. What do you do when a thief rolls into your house, takes your stuff, and you catch him? You get the police involved.
Moreover the Insurance Companies have themselves prove to be uncontrollable with threats of raising premiums by 111% by 2017 (?)
viskarenvisla 2 years ago
viskarenvisla,
Also to you... the 45% of doctors that would quit if Obamacare passes comes from an IBD/TIPP poll.
You should care about that if it is even half that number. Obamacare will instantly add many millions more patients and there will be fewer doctors to see them.
Moreover, GOVERNMENT has been "fucking us over" (to use your terminology) for decades. Medicare broke, Social Security broke. I could go on. Existing govt programs need to be reformed. We don't need new ones.
Gillz17 2 years ago
the "45% of doctors" who say they will quit are the money grubbers who aren't in primary care anyways. they're not helping the average american in the first place. they've already made their bank doing lipo and boobjobs. they can quit because they can afford it, and they won't be missed.
skybluesky 2 years ago
skybluesky,
For the record the 45% of doctors that would quit if Obamacare passes comes from an IBD/TIPP poll. While I should have cited that source to begin with I was replying to a guy who was throwing out uncited numbers as well.
Now as to your response. I guess you are saying that nearly 45% of doctors are the ones doing lipo and boobjobs.
Again, the money that good doctors make in the US is what brings them here. Take that away and you are left with the quacks.
Gillz17 2 years ago
The majority (99.9999%) of foreign medical graduates come here, fill primary care positions. They fill positions that US graduates do not want.
The average annual salary of a primary care physician can expect is 100k. That is good money already. The average specialist can triple that easily. So if you're a medical grad in the US looking to pay off your debt,.... you would choose a specialty over primary care any day.
The ones that would quit are the rich specialists.
skybluesky 2 years ago 2
How come in other places they also do research? Your argument makes no sense.
themarycity 2 years ago
Thank you Jesus!..for giving us someone who has the guts to speak out, and back their words with facts.
Thank you Grayson for using your God-given abilities to try and bring this country up to par with the rest of the free nations.
janniebgood 2 years ago
The funniest part of all this is how so many are buying the complete BS that you can force insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions, not allow them to up charge for these conditions. force them to have no upper limits as to what they may have to pay out, cover more routine expenses.....and oh yes...
We are going to do all of this at LOWER COSTS?
Hard to believe so many are so easily duped with such outrageous claims......but they are.
gareyt17 2 years ago
Don't let up Grayson!
sliznim 2 years ago
wislon called out obama for what turned out to be a lie...grayson is just looking for attention.
PatricksTime 2 years ago 2
Patrick can you explain to me what part of the bill Wilson object to "turned out to be a lie"?
laleeloolelo 2 years ago
hard to believe you didn't hear the speech...
obama said to all his critics this bill will not insure illegals...oh but it will.
the bill today being voted on by the finance committee will insure illegals...even thou obama said it wouldn't!!!
by constitutional law government can't refuse illegals the right to buy insurance!
as a so-called scholar of the constitution obama should know this!
PatricksTime 2 years ago
The bill doesn't cover illegasl AT ALL. It doesn't deny emergency as a human condition (but this is happening right now without the bill and it happens in any civil country in the world), and of course if you want to BUY a PRIVATE COVERAGE it doesn't deny that, but still today the insurance companies are very happy to suck blood from everyone ... illegal immigrants included.
MrFreedomdemocracy 2 years ago
.... and BTW this is an health care bill, not an immigration bill. If you want to regulate illegal immigration work on a bill for that because once illegal immigration is regulated, only then you can have an impact on health care bills, education bills etc.
MrFreedomdemocracy 2 years ago
One last thing.
Instead to be worried so much about the illegal immigration problem, which is anyway a big one but must be covered in another bill, why don't you lower the cost of what Americans really pay and stop complaining about taxes. In Europe with the same salary you pay taxes, have one job, all the services and 5 weeks holidays. In the US you pay taxes+ premiums+ loans. You pay 85% of your salary for zero services, 2-3 jobs and zero holidays.
This is pure masochism!!!
MrFreedomdemocracy 2 years ago
Good point, I agree.
themarycity 2 years ago
Yes, but it is MY choice, not the government's. BTW, Europe is going broke with their socialism.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
"Europe is going broke with their socialism." -- ESPECIALLY their beloved Swedish Utopia ...
"Jihad and the Collapse of the Swedish Model" -- brusselsjournal
"Sweden to America; Slow Down on the Socialism. It doesn't Work" -- YouTube
"Welcome to Sweden" -- YouTube
"Swedish migration system is a total collapse, extremists infiltrated and let prisoners out" -- YouTube
TylerNull 2 years ago
when the bill is passed you can come back and explain to me why the bill insures illegals! since there are 5 different bills that no one from the democrat party can agree on we will just have to wait and see what happens. Mark my words Joe Wilson was right...Obama did lie!
PatricksTime 2 years ago
it insures mexican nationals who have working visa's, you moron. when they have a working visa, taxes are taken out of their paycheck the same as ours. obama didn't lie, you're just too fucking stupid to understand the issue, cletus. now go skin a rabbit, you dumb hick.
unwashablebrain 2 years ago
this guy obviously suffers from illusions of grandeur. next he will be saying a bill he sponsors is tantamount to the constitution.
jhamm999 2 years ago
Finally, finally - A Democrat who tells it like it is!
DillonX 2 years ago
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WOW at least the propaganda arm of the Obama administration is still running in the red, makes it easy to sift through the bullshit and figure out whos telling the truth FOX 1 OBAMA 0
theygunaHATEME 2 years ago
go fuck yourself
GodRMK 2 years ago
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Joe Wilson told the truth.
Grayson hurls insults. I wish he didn't because i like the guy. I believe he has good intentions but he may screw up his chances at re-election if he keeps it up.
Why do I say Wilson told the truth.
Technically...
Amnesty + public option = all illegal immigrants insured through amnesty.
st4ticblu3 2 years ago
Ahhh, look at all the bullshitters working hard over thanksgiving. Well done guys. Do you even know what you're saying? You realize what you're doing there?
Bittermanscolon 2 years ago
Grayson told the truth too....You assholes don't give a fuck about anybody else .....but Iraqis..You'll rebuild their cities..
Republicans that have health insurance dont give a damn about people who don't...
jackass255 2 years ago 3
Wilson is a voice for racist republicans. Fortunately he didn't call Obama a nigger on live television when he could have.
meachtable 2 years ago
Michele Backman "hurls insults" all the time, did she get reelected? Also, your argument is moot about illegal immigrants because they can get health insurance RIGHT NOW by buying it from an insurance company (whom I'm sure love that extra business) The public option would be just like any other insurance company, just one run by the government, so it wouldn't give any additional rights to illegal immigrants. And Grayson's right: people die from no insurance, and repubs like the status quo.
bricefabber 2 years ago 6
Hell, both sides are almost saying the same thing. dems want to prevent sickness, reps say dont get sick. dems say if you do get sick, ur covered, reps say hurry up and die, ur wasting our money being sick.
well, maybe not the same. LOL. prevention of sickness part, yes. At the same time, when someone gets sick,usually when they catch it early, the chances of cure are hIgher depending on what it is. W/ the reps, they dont want to cover u once your sick. that sounds like a death panel to me.
diah4 2 years ago 2
Our healthcare system is broken. Our health insurance is also broken.
The heart of the problem lies with the lega profession, frivolous lawsuits grabbing for the brass ring.
And, the doctors, stealing from thier own practices and the nurses and bookkeepers seeing the doctors stealing from their own practices also steal from the doctors.
And the hospitals, seeking the best doctors, buy too much unneeded high tech diagnostic equipment. And the defensive medicine practiced by doctors, also a lega
GreatSatan1 2 years ago
And then there is the illegal alien problem using emergency rooms for routine health care. And for emergency services at no cost. And there is the problem of poor people with no health care and those who use drugs and have std's including AIDS and Hepatitis C who burn tax dollars for care.
Give it to the government and see how bad it CAN be. It is horrible now, it will be horrible X 10 if the government takes over. Not to mention the authority the government will gain over your freedoms.
GreatSatan1 2 years ago
I love that he stuck it to the Republicans, but I think he's starting to get full of himself, and I'll probably be sick of him soon.
melora72 2 years ago
The histrionic man explains himself
hookemhornmom 2 years ago
I LOVE ALAN!!!!
janbrady9 2 years ago
That's because you're a fuckin retard
JimboVids 2 years ago
An obvious troll is obvious.
laleeloolelo 2 years ago
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Grayson is both a liar and an political hack. His 15 minutes of fame should have be over by now. What he did was prove that the Democrats and the President NEVER wanted a bipartisan bill in the first place. This is all about their takeover of healthcare and the lies they will tell to get you to support them.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Yes, attempting bipartisanship with ill willed people IS a complete waste of time.
KosmicCitizen 2 years ago 3
Lying about it is even worse though.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Where is the misrepresentation?
KosmicCitizen 2 years ago
Alright, I'll bite.
Where is the republican healthcare reform alternative? Just show me their ideas.
brandonclyon 2 years ago 2
Go to their website. They have put forth lots of ideas to actually lower healthcare costs. The problem is that none of them gets the Democrats closer to what they really want, single payer, government run healthcare.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Its not about what democrats want, and thats what I like about Alan Grayson. He often brings in questions from his contituency, and is clearly concerned about dying Americans.
If this were a government takeover of healthcare, then you wouldn't have the option to keep your rip off private insurance when this bill passes. In this scenario, YOU DO. So the idea that Americans would reject such an improvement because they think its a takeover (that uses their own voting power) is ridiculous.
bundlesjr 2 years ago 6
Joe, if you tell someone to "go to their website" to find proof of your point then you already lost the debate IMO.
Remember when Palin was asked about something in her interview and she answered with "I will try to find some and get back to ya"?
watch?v=4ytbP7YMYZM
laleeloolelo 2 years ago 2
So the republicans wanted to be bipartisan? REALLY?! You must be totally blind. What bold plan do the republicans have that they DIDNT enact in the last 8 years of their 1-party rule? Or were they just waiting until they got their collective asses handed to them in an election cycle before trying to do something GOOD for the American people other than starting two godawful wars?!
WaywardPatriot 2 years ago 5
Thanx for posting this.
All of this publicity for Rep. Grayson may raise his profile in his dealings w/ the crooked con game called the fed.
198madman 2 years ago 2
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Alan Grayson, I hope your publicity DIES QUICKLY... because you're such a goddamn fucktard.
JimboVids 2 years ago
Jimbo, how about putting your head back far inside your ass? Nobody cares for your extreme and irrational comments on these boards.
armyveteran101st 2 years ago 3
I am laughing because you call my comment extreme..... meanwhile, you cling to Grayson's ass hairs as he spouts a shitload of extremist bullshit. Wow, you really are a TOOL.
JimboVids 2 years ago
You calling Grayson's statement "extremist bullshit" is like the pot calling the kettle black. Like I said, you're irrational, extreme, negative, ignorant, and completely boring and predictable. Get your head out of your ass and get a life, will you?
armyveteran101st 2 years ago 6
Behold the ultimate right-winger: hateful, lewd and ignorant.
MarquisdeBarrabas 2 years ago
The Corporate Mockingbirds tried their best to marginalize Rep. Grayson and every effort failed.
After the disaster the Republicans left this country in and the overwhelming genuine Grass Root support of the masses, the Democrats will not have any viable excuse come 2010.
Replace Weak Kneed Reid with Sen Feingold and TAB Pelosi with Grayson and then the real work will commence.
Peacetoyouandyours 2 years ago 5
YES! and when pelosi is out someone please beat her over the head with a steel bat. she gives republicans a reason to yell at dems......
cobain93 2 years ago
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they are both idiots. end of discussion.
tylerjmcompton12 2 years ago
My hero.
senorohnoes 2 years ago 9
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what a faggot
khattamshud 2 years ago
that doesnt make sense
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Donahue2 2 years ago
Apparently all Republicans have to argue with are personal attacks. Sad.
RJSHATZ 2 years ago 10
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Nothing more than a douche bag NY carpetbagger who went to FL to buy himself a seat. He's done down there as I hear it. Good riddance.
Lighteye67 2 years ago
aw don't cry little pussy republican. i know it must hurt that he is the first democrat down there after several decades.
kaliamalia 2 years ago 8
Yeah, right! He is just getting started. He has more support than ever! Get used to it. I hope his growing popularity will cause others to grow some balls.
sbryandobson 2 years ago 13
Lol...this guy is very clever: too bad he isn't a senator. He has so little power in the House
bernlin2000 2 years ago 6
All he needs is money and then he's just as powerful if not more.
fkylw 2 years ago
He's rich as all getup. The Racketeers can't bribe him and he ain't afraid of them.
Peacetoyouandyours 2 years ago 2
Apparently he's not rich enough to become senator. Money and shit. That's how you get into office, money and shit. Some backstabbing comes into play given different circumstances.
fkylw 2 years ago
Apparently you don't understand that Senators are elected to 6 yr terms. The Incumbent running was a Democrat, Sen. Nelson. The other seat was held by a Republican(Martinez) who resigned. The Republican Governor appointed a Republican to his seat. George Lemiux will fill out Sen. Martinez's term which ends in 2010. Then Rep. Grayson may run for the seat.
Peace.
Peacetoyouandyours 2 years ago
This guy is awesome!
darkENhandsome 2 years ago 4
I love this Grayson guy!
sinistavoicez 2 years ago 4
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President Obama didn't lie. His plan would not cover illegal immigrants, because he wants to make them legal.
MooseOfReason 2 years ago
In a nutshell, he meant he was civilized as oppose to the not that civilized Joe Wilson. That's the inference I can make. Am I right or wrong with my inference?
highbury10 2 years ago 3
I think that's what he was going for.
AterLumen1 2 years ago
Alan Grayson for president 2016
FixedNewsChannel 2 years ago 2
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Idź raczej w piękne mirtów i cyprysów kraje ;
Co dzień w weselnej szacie u nich słońce wstaje,
WKaliberr 2 years ago
oooo--a stupid polak...speak english bitch.
okturus 2 years ago
you need to speak English first you cunt
cause you can't spell for shit
WKaliberr 2 years ago 3
MAKE HIM PRESIDENT!
PersonalJesus348 2 years ago 2
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He sure is full of himself despite being nothing but hot air. He really has very little command of the issues he rants about.
board405t 2 years ago
Sorry repub. You cannot hurt this guy.
RodgersRevolution 2 years ago 9
All progressives have to do is tell the truth. And that is all this guy is doing.
The Republican task of defending The Wall Street Crime Syndicate, Our Corporate Overlords and Big Religion takes a little more "sophistication." (Word derived from the Greek Sophists -- masters of rhetoric, trained to argue any point eloquently, and showing "truth" and "reality" to be charming, irrelevant old fashioned notions.)
Republicans are professional liars. Progressives just tell the truth.
taoofmichael 2 years ago 8
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HA! If progressives told the truth about their positions they couldn't be elected dog catcher. No, they have to keep their positions secret and speak from the center to get elected. Then, they use parliamentary tricks to sneak their agendas in, like attaching tax hikes into highway safety bills.
lantern63 2 years ago
Look.
Progressives want to spend money on the American people, renewable energy, health care, infrastructure, education, urban renewal, small family farms, organic farms, small businesses, etc.
Republicans want to spend money on wars, killing, bombs and bombers. The American people can eat shit, as long as the Corporate Overlords and Weapons Whores are staying filthy rich.
Its easy to sell the progressive agenda to the American people. Just tell the truth.
taoofmichael 2 years ago 19
HAHAHAHA. The sad thing is, you're serious.
paleolithicera 2 years ago
Oh man. And how does he not have command of the issues he 'rants' about?
And what's your command on the issue of healthcare?
alexerb 2 years ago
He tickles me. He's not really adding to the discourse but you need to have an Angry Guy in your party. Anthony Weiner is the The Snarky One and Grayson is the Kiss My Ass one. lol
SquallCloud 2 years ago
One has to punch the republicans in the face like Grayson did. This is how you handle bullies
Melpheos1er 2 years ago 6
Absolutely. Look what they did with the 'bi-partisan' debate. The republicans have done -nothing- to add to the discourse. They have lied so methodically, so pervasively, so infuriatingly about absolutely -everything- that it's really good to see a democrat rise and say "enough with this bullshit".
When the democrats caved in on everything you cared to mention the republicans demanded an apology every time. How many more apologies are they going to ask of him? He did it right the first time.
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Smartassawhip 2 years ago
Thank You , Thank You !!!
lmn8bush 2 years ago
Rhetoric? joe "the disgrace" wilson shouted idiocy from the darkness, violated house protocol, and did so without context.
Alan Grayson made his comments during an exhaustive public analysis of the gop's alleged "reform" plan
joe "the disgrace" wilson offered nothing but noise
Alan Grayson deals in FACTS
KataVideo 2 years ago 5
Alan Grayson sets her straight!!!!
KataVideo 2 years ago
Rep. Grayson is so awesome!!!
Iceberg6606 2 years ago 2
I really love this liberal. He has balls, rock-solid balls! WOW!!!
bobhardball 2 years ago 6
I KNOW!
PersonalJesus348 2 years ago
The first thing he did on the floor, I thought "that's awesome!", then his next thing, I was like "wow, this dude is sticking to his guns!", but now that he's just so consistently awesome, I think I can look forward to him sticking around for a while. I didn't think the democrats had in them a mechanism of self-correction, but though he is just one man, I think he's going to really shape democrats to be more tough against the republicans. Go Grayson!
codingkriggs 2 years ago 8
hero
marniespeaks 2 years ago
This guy is one of the few Democrats with a spine, who stands up for his progressive principals and really states his mind, and doesn't stand behind manufactured centrist positions. He is truly a hero. I hope he runs for president in 2012 or 2016. Obama was never anywhere near this legitimate, and people heralded him as a populist. I think Grayson has the guts to win.
ManhunterFromMars 2 years ago 7
Grayson is taking the Cesar Milan approach in how you deal with GOPers. "Calm and assertive"
They're like your pet dogs, you love them and they're part of the family, but you just can't let them run the house hold.
If another dog, on the side of the fence, was barking, your dog would treat it as a threat but you know it can't hurt you, so you control your dog. Dogs simply can't rap their head around certain concepts.
Grayson knows this and isn't giving an inch
Grayson, the GOP whisperer
Pleblian 2 years ago 5
lol... Grayson is a true pack leader. :)
medaa25 2 years ago
I notice the GOP backed down on the 'apology'...lol...If they had not demanded Grayson to apologize, they could have minimized Grayson's damaging speech on the house floor....but nooo...they faked outrage and it came back and bit them in the ass! I love this guy and Weiner!
hajqbvii 2 years ago 9
I give you a thumbs up on Grayson but what has Weiner done in a non-partisan fashion? For example protecting our wealth from the Fed by aggressively demanding accountability.
198madman 2 years ago
It's funny.
There used to be a time when I believed that some really smart people, with-in the GOP, could sell bad ideals with patriotic visceral.
I have since come to the understanding, that no, they really do believe in what they're saying.
This is what has escaped progressive thinking for over 8 years.
Yes the GOP is really that narrow minded.
Pleblian 2 years ago 5
Grayson speaks for my kind.
daddiokng 2 years ago 5
Grayson is the man!
d3v07 2 years ago 7
Damn, he is made of pure epic win.
Droedelzak 2 years ago 14
Grayson for president, some day! :p
bleunt 2 years ago 6
Damn. I wish Grayson ran from my district. I'll love to vote for him.
LarcheOsborne 2 years ago 11
Grayson FTW! XD
DuragonLeMente 2 years ago 8
he's wrong, what Wilson did was more like a fart!
HugeJohn51 2 years ago 11
Grayson / Kucinich 2012
steveoboston 2 years ago 6
Right now, as we speak, the inner cabal of the Conservapathic coalition must be puking blood over Grayson. He is a boulder of Kryptonite slamming into their Fortress of Squalitude. They have no defense for open scorn and clearly stated exposing of their lies and warped half-facts.
Plutonwolf 2 years ago 17
Grayson FTW !!!
DavesMx6 2 years ago 5
I love it when some talking head poses a GOP talking point as a legitimate question and gets smacked down for it.
Joe Wilson blurted out an insult at the President during his address to the nation.
Alan Grayson was a recognized speaker during a debate on the floor of Congress.
There is no comparison whatsoever.
getplaning 2 years ago 30
I 100% agree
Clagnaught 2 years ago 7
apparently it wasn't a fluke! Grayson is actually a super-hero!
HELL TO THE YES!
Go, Grayson, Go !!
baronmorris 2 years ago 12