Just think of it like this friends, in the Christian Bible no where do u find any prophet going around forcing ppl to chose that religion or suffer death from the prophets hands, just from that 1 thing alone makes me wonder about Muhammad and, the Muslim religion, Im not here to judge but to say plz folks do your own home work, no1 will been given a excuse for persecuting Jesus esp in our time with all the info. we have at our hands now... Its your life and your soul on the line, good luck.
Jesus never said he was god, full stop. Jesus did though in the Quran say he is the messenger of god, so which book would you follow, unclear, or clear?
@3food4u How the Quran is compiled? By date written by Mohammed or by thickness of the book as to be the first chapter for Quran after the death of your prophet? So that the book will be CLEAR or UNCLEAR in reading and in study.
Jesus is a prophet. If he was God why would God let humans kill him? does that mean we are Greater than God? Marry was Jesus mother. God has a mother???
This doesnt add up if you ask me. Jesus is a great Prophet not God.
one more thing christian are not all the same. their are difference, sunday keeper and Sabbath (7th day of the week) or saturday keeper (not just SDA is Sabbath keeper). Catholic believes in trinity same as with SDA which is wrong. Their is only One true Living Creator Yahweh. Jew become hypocrite because of being the chosen people (blinded by pride). Muslims fight for land. Muhammad worship somebody inside the cave before Angel Gabriel call him.
Before the end of the world, i wonder, who will return from heaven to save the mankind from it's own destruction? Jesus (Yahshua) or Muhammad? Who will judge the world?
And one more thing. We believers of Yahshua have 10 Commandments while Muslims have jihad describes as peace but way of killing and suicide.
Paul is don't create traditions but the pope did.
Roman Catholic use rosary for prayer as do muslim but it is an ancient practice of paganism before the abraham. Jew don't use rosary.
will we beleive as muslim that Isa"jesus" will return But not for judge the word but as a prophet like all the prophet they come to call the people to Allah,he will be mojahed "warrior"and force the people to embrace Islam there will be no jezyah "tax"as before and Paul hijack the religion of jesus and fabric new religion
, Paul says the law is abolished while Jesus says this will not happen until heaven and earth pass away. Christianity is The Pauline Doctrines
@m3d2 Sorry the Christian you are telling is the Doctrine of the Roman Catholism or Sunday Keepers. If you try to really study about the law, it is not just the 10 commandments, remember there is this ceremonial law, food law, even the divorce is part of Mosaic Law. Then some will ask even Christian which Law then that Paul says? It is the ceremonial law and the law of tithing. Because the it is Yahshua that the prophets referring about the coming Messiah.
@m3d2 oh my, you can't comprehend such wordings I use how much more the Scripture and the Quran or even Physics book hahahahaha! Go to back to school and learn how to analyze! whew you made me sweet because of laughing to such reply of yours.
@m3d2 Continuation... the problem is that the Jew set aside the prophecy about the first coming of the Messiah in a human form which already been told by Moses, especially Isaiah and other prophets even to Adam is was told about the coming Saviour. Jew expects about the Messiah who is possess power and authority not as a carpenter and not good looking which oppose to the pictures of Jesus (told in Isaiah). Jews expect Messiah in glory which prophesied in Daniel, Jeremiah, and other prophets.
@m3d2 continuation.... we cannot ignore the condition of the life of the Jews at that time for they are under rulership of Roman Empire and they hoping for conquering Messiah or Saviour from that condition. But the Scriptures speaks about Messiah as saviour of mankind, saviour from the penalty of Death and Sin. The Ceremonial Law (I will site one) is only a form of covering their sins such sacrificing a lamb and it's blood but Yahshua is the Eternal Sacrificial Lamb the covers
@m3d2 continuation mans sin and other ceremonial that represents the purpose of the Eternal Father for His Son. Paul even state that the Law is Good as you can find in Epistle of Romans. Also he states in Romans 3:31 that we uphold the Law. Which Law? The Statutes and the Commandments of Father. Meaning the 10 Commandments or to compress the Law of Love. For this Law is already practice by Noah, Enoch, and Abraham. He was moved by faith and he obey. If there is no law from time of Abraham down
@hpurbancombat if there is no law why God the Father found sinners and trespassers and even called those at Sodom and Gomorrah adulterers and fornicators? these act are way before Moses and again repeated in time of Moses and more taught by Yahshua and the Apostles including Paul. In Corinthians 3 Paul well differentiate the law! Read it and hope you understand what you are reading hahahah
The following statement from the Bible supports the Islamic belief that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God.
"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."
How is islam truth if it rejects the prophets islam contradicts christ and the prophets from moses to isaiah. Islam contradicts God and is an attack against everything God almighty said. God said in the old scriptures that he would send his son to live with us who would die for our sins and make it possible for us to be saved by his sons blood, and the lord jesus did this mohhamed rejects this so mohhamed is from satan. who says God has no son is from satan and does not belong to God
Christian believed Jesus will pay for everybody sins by using his account card.He swipe his card and clear your debt of sins.He die on the cross for their sins ,just like a sarificial lamb.Let me ask you christian,is jesus , your sacred scapegoat,to die for your sins?So what is the message from Jesus about GOD almighty?Christian forgotten everything about ALLAH.ALLAH cannot die,ALLAH is Forever living being.Did you learn anything about ALLAH from Jesus?Allah is the father of Creation.
these are Abraham is the father of nations- jews, christians, and muslims...muslims claim that ishmael was the heir to abraham but was kicked out along with hagar because hagar was a slave therefore was not allowed to be the heir, plus sarah was jealous and she gave birth to isaac....ismael is the muslim genealogy and isaac is the judeo-christian genealogy.....jesus was a jew and lived as a muslim. christians are followers of St. Paul who created most of christian teachings and traditions.
ur really not that religious.. excuse me but in ALLAH(S.W.T) took prophet Jesus at the moment he was crucified.. it was not really prophet Jesus who was crucified but a False person if I'm not mistaken it was Judas.. and at the day of judgment He will return..
Islam is SATANIC AND ANTI CHRIST. Jesus would not approve of the Qur'an.
You know the Bible says Jesus is the creator? Much more than just a messenger, he did not worship the God of Islam you should read what he ACTUALLY SAID IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.
i dont see how Muhammad or his prophets ,can have any say whatsoever about jesus. Were they physically present at the time of jesus's life. Jesus has witnesses and prophets who bore living testimony about the miracles jesus performed and his physical death, which were recorded in the bible. A witness's testimony cannot be altered 600 years later. How can the quran be a witness to something that happened 600 years before it even exsisted. Why would anybody follow a fabrication of the truth.
Christians have really misunderstood the animal sacrificing of the Torah.
A lot of their doctrines are based on the misunderstanding of the Torah. That's why they have to mental masturbate and, as Sami said, make interpretations that don't match up with the scripture.
the funniest thing about muslims is they try adn say the NT is corrupted and wrote not by the original people and then ask Christians to prove it was lol
Should they not have to show from the original Manuscripts what was changed
they don't cause they can't it's the same argument used By Shabir Alley and most other debators please Muslims before u keep looking dumb get the prove u so think is there that NO ONE has ever been able to show
No body copied any one ,God send many messengers Each have been given a divine book to guide their people to the right path ,but the people chose to deny it
Look what happen to Noah when he warned his people they denied ,Ibrahim ,moses warner his people and saved them from the slavery they went astray again,And jesus camebut the Jews said he was not Jewish enough because they did not believe he was born miracle.
warner his people and saved them from the slavery they went astray again,they de
No body copied any one ,God send many messengers Each have been given a divine book to guide their people to the right path ,but the people chose to deny it
Look what happen to Noah when he warned his people they denied ,Ibrahim ,moses warner his people and saved them from the slavery they went astray again,And jesus camebut the Jews said he was not Jewish enough because they did not believe he was born miracle
warner his people and saved them from the slavery they went astray again,they de
I like how this guy says that Islam "fits in" with Christian teachings. adding on to a story does not make it part of the original. I could add onto the story of the American Revolution, and even add parts that make sense, but that does not mean they really happened just because they "fit in" with the story. Christianity came first, Islam copied a lot from it, plain and simple.
Well a lot of Jesus' teachings (if not all) are found in the Old Testament (Jewish Torah), so I don't see your point. As for the doctrinal differences between Christians and Jews, well, there are doctrinal differences between (Trinitarian) Christians and Muslims - so I could say that our 'second part of the story' is also not copied. Go figure!... :)
@mujtahid2006 "a lot of Jesus' teachings are found in the Old Testament" Thats correct, because he was fulfilling the scriptures. the second part of the story is where you are wrong. the quran has added so much to the bible, such as changing the crucifixion. Jesus died on the cross and we know this for 3 reasons. 1 we have his burial shroud. 2 he was buried in a tomb of a man who we know is real. 3 we have eyewitness accounts of him after he was raised up.
@mujtahid2006 lets put it like this, 1, you have the new testament that was written by both first and second generation Christians. people who were with Jesus. they wrote in extensive detail about His life, death, and resurrection. 2, over 500 years later you have one man, muhammad, who was illiterate, lied, cheated, sined in general, etc. who went to a cave and claimed that an angle told him what really happened. ???? just from a strictly historical point of view, I would go with the Bible.
@exposemyfoes wrong. according to the Bible, Jesus was a perfect and spotless lamb sent to sand in the gap, and reconcile God and man. He never sinned, which is why He was the only one who could bring salvation through His death and resurrection.
btw, we have proof that Jesus died on the cross and rose again. 1, we have his burial shroud. The shroud was proclaimed to young by a carbon based test, but then later, when tested again, was found to be about the right date. 2 we have we have the burial cloth that went over his head and is so bloody, that an outline of His face can be seen and fits over the shrouds face, also they found traces of pollen on the head wrap that are unique to a thorn plant outside of Jerusalem.3 is in another reply
@mujtahid2006 3, the man in this says that Jesus did not die on the cross, but it was made to look like He did, to fool His enemies. so why then did He fool his disciples also? why did He come to them show them His wounds after the crucifixion? why then did He tell them that He would be crucified and rise on the third day? if He did not die, then why does all the evidence suggest that He did?
@FrieLegos U have to prove his disciples believed he was crucified,which u cant because biblical scholarship admits that the gospels r anonymous,their were plenty of christians in the first century who didnt believe in the crucifiction such as the nazarenes,cerinthians and ebionites
Christians are pretty much spiritual Jews. Jews have not recognised the Messiah and are still waiting, but Jesus is the Messiah and has already come, and He is the one who I have put my faith in. There was no copying or any such sort done.
@mujtahid2006 If both are prophets then they contradict each other the Old Testament clearly speaks of Christ and Christ tells us I'm the one Moses spoke of, who had to be a Jew!
@mujtahid2006 Your referring to the OT which Judaism follows yes, but Christianity teaches both the OT/old testament and NT/new testament, so that means yes ofcourse Christianity has what the Jewish ppl taught and Jesus when on earth gave it to the gentiles. Yes at 1st Lebanese, Syrians etc where Christians for many centuries, and all where given the choice to become Christians, but when Muhammad came on the scene ppl where forced to become Muslims, do your own research friend, peace.
@FrieLegos judaism came first and christianity took from it,and also mithraism came first and osiris worship and christianity robbed wholesale from it,historical fact mithra was called the LAMB OF GOD AND ALPHA AND OMEGA
@FrieLegos peace be upon you brother, you said Quran is basicly a copy of the bible? can you show me one, the Quran is way different from the bible, one example:the first miracle of Jesus(pbuh)in the bible is that he turned water into wine, first miricale of Jesus(pbuh) in Quran,19:Then she brought him to her people,carrying him.They said,O Mary,you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."
@FrieLegos sry ran out of room,verse 28-:32So she pointed to him. They said,How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alivend [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.
@FrieLegos verse33-And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive.That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.[Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.
@FrieLegos verse 37-38,Then the factions differed [concerning Jesus] from among them, so woe to those who disbelieved - from the scene of a tremendous Day. How [clearly] they will hear and see the Day they come to Us, but the wrongdoers today are in clear error.
so you see brother or sister even the birth of jesus(pbuh) is different hey your christian right why havent you read the Quran? if i was christian i would be pretty amazed that the are 1.2billion muslims who belive the jesus is messiah
@FrieLegos religion isn't bcoz it is old sir, It is the preservation of the revealation by god to us!!! SO YOU see today more than 75 version of bible are in the world if you get some line in one but doesn't remain in another one!! It is like making confuse competition !!!! however do u know sir Hinduism n bhuddism is also old than christianity?? N as this context, why didn't muhammed copy tritnit? Yes quran came to clearify there was book but it is manipulated as I gave u proof!!
@mansuraus prophet Mohammed didn't copy the trinity because there is only one God and that is ALLAH(S.W.T) if you christians believe that there is only one god.. why are there so many branches of christianity.. and why are you praising the cross where in fact God ordered to praise him and him alone.. why are you praising the saint are they the God? is Jesus your God? then who is the one you are calling God is Jesus is your God? does it means you have 2 Gods?
@hamsar99 bro beofre undertanding something don;t write something to anyone?? I put question mark there!! I am so upset getting ur comment bcoz I am proud muslim!!! in response of someone I asked him why than muhammed didn't copy trinity?? N you are making a debate with me here!! ANYWAY may be ur mis or my misunderstanding!! May allah gives us towfik BRO!! Ameeen!!!!
@FrieLegos ,@FrieLegos ,I love Jesus.Just imagined this.All this messengers was asked to send message from the same ruler.will the message differ?muhammad is no different from any other messenger,he passed on that same message.Your Lord and my Lord is the same one,ALLAH.Jesus is a carpenter,son of mary.People called him Lord because they respect him but Jesus did say in bible,Your Lord and my lord is GOD.Allah is not Jesus,Jesus is Allah messenger.
christianity came first?christianity wasnt called christanity in the life of jesus peace be upon him!the name christainity came after jesus pbuh 300 yrs so a question to u is wat was the religion that jesus was teaching and wat was the religion?let me help u, we muslims believe all prophets[Adam pbuh to prophet Muhammed pbuh]came with the same message to worship on god alone and sumit ur will to god-a person that does this is called a MUSLIM so ISLAM WAS THE RELIGION JESUS [PBUH] FOLLOWED
There is only one God, allah right? and no one is his equal right? not even a prophet. the pharisees killed Jesus because he claimed to be the son of God, equal and one with the Father. so wouldn't that make Him a false prophet? now we know that Jesus did die because he was buried in the tomb Joseph of Arimathea, who we know to be a real person. and we know how Jesus died, from a ruptured heart. all this seems to point in one direction to me.
they're just talking and talking and non of them get nowhere!!! look the main issue is this, did Yeshua get crucified or not? and if so did he really rise? the rest is really insignificant. So what do historical facts say outside of the Quoran and the Bible? Sorry to say the bible I think has the edge on that one. And everybody should listen to William Lane Craig debate Christianity he will blow you away.
When Allah will say: o isa (Jesus) son of marium (Mary)! Remember my favor on you and on your mother, when I strengthened you with the holy spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and when of old age, and when I taught you the book and the wisdom and the taurat and the injeel; and when you
determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by my permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by my permission, and you healed the blind and the leprous by my permission; and when you brought forth the dead by my permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who disbelieved among them said: this is nothing but clear enchantment(magic).
i like it how christians often say of our view over 'eesa 'aleyhi asslam..."merely a prophet" or "just a prophet",as if they meet a prophet every single day and jesus is just one of those prophets...
as if moosa was a simple good man, a prophet u know like many others...as if they are prophets...
“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me WHOM THEY PIERCED. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. ZACHARIAH 12:10
@khalilrabee Oh please, give me a break!! I don't expect U to say: Oh yes, that's true, it's been prophesied! not even if the Lord Jesus Himself says it to Ur face! . Could U show me the version Ur talking about, all the ones I checked used the same word. Everything He went through has been foretold.
@khalilrabee I guess you can't tell me the version of Bible that does not mentioned "pierced" prophesied, oh well, then it wasn't true. If you really search the Bible U most have read the Lord Jesus announcing His purpose & death at least 3 times. Mark 10 "45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
@khalilrabee Mark 10:32 "Then He took the twelve aside again and began to tell them the things that would happen to Him: 33 “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and deliver Him to the Gentiles; 34 and they will mock Him, and scourge Him, and spit on Him, and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.”
@khalilrabee He certainly did in Matthew 26: ..Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”
Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”
@khalilrabee See? I knew it! I showed you the Scripture you asked for and you're still in denial!!! You can't believe because you're not of the FAITH. I believe in God's provision, He loves us and He made sure He got His words recovered 4 His church.
I believe the BIBLE is true by Faith. God gave us the written word and the Rhema word, (instant word). He is able to make His words come alive in our hearts, that's how I know, it's written in my mind and my heart as He promised He would do !!.
@calamorico no, i dont blieve it because the qor'an says not to believe that, the qor'an tells me that jesus didnt die and unlike the bible the qor'an has evidence...
faith alone is good but not enough...i also hve faith in my book, but u also need evidence...the qor'an has evidence
@khalilrabee I have a feeling Muslims most have different versions of the Quran because Mohammad exhorted you to read it:
“It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)” (Surah 3:3). Have you ever read this??
@khalilrabee If there are such errors in the Bible, (Torah/Gospels), why would your prophet commend you to read the Bible as guidance? Think about it, God gave us the right path to follow in Jesus, He has no other substitute, Jesus is the ladder to take us to the paradise of God, only through Him will humanity inherit eternal life. God does not acknowledge any kind of dogma or religion, He is after a believing heart who will obey His word by accepting Jesus as our only savior & access to God!
@calamorico the qor'an speaks about gospel not gospels, and even the bible never mentions the word gospels, it speaks about gospel of jesus, paul started preaching the gospel of jesus, and the torah...the torah which was revealed unto moses not what scribes have maniupulated...
besides pauladmits he is a liar which confirms the qor'an...he also admits he is a hipocrit so i dont know how u follow a book written by a hipocrit especially when that hipocrit admits he is one...
@khalilrabee There is only one Gospel=Good News of Jesus-Christ. Paul, who was a Zealot, a well trained Pharisee, taught by Gamaliel the cream of the cream, acknowledged by today's Jewish history, as Saul of Tarsus he hunted down Christians, he was a total extremist who had a direct call from above, He saw Jesus for the first time revealed! Jesus knew he was an ideal candidate, a legit Hebrew, to be transformed radically from Judaism to the Gospel of Jesus-Christ Himself up close & personal!!
@calamorico the qor'an also says "woe to those who wrote the book and said "this is from allah" to buy a small fortune with it, so woe to what their hands have written and woe to what they have earned"...
ur bible is a bestseller with a great profit, plus scholars admit that the bible is not purely what was revealed to the prophets...which confirms the qor'an...
the same thing was told by jesus when e said that he came to confirm the torah, preach the gospel and abrogate some of the laws
@khalilrabee What evidence do you have to prove & convince me that the Quran was directly from God?
why should I believe that God is going to choose a son of Ismael, full of sin & corruption as Mohammad to be His voice? Ismael had God's righteous promise as Abram's son to be as numerous as the dust of the earth, BUT, he was also cursed, "he shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen." [Gen.16:12].
@khalilrabee Jesus said: “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
@khalilrabee The BOOK has to be sold in mass quantity order for people to get it. There are expenses in publishing, it must be compensated to be made available. Do Muslims get the Quran freely? There's got to be ways to obtain it, you need to pay the price for the material. Proverbs 23:23 says:
"Buy the truth, and do not sell it, also wisdom and instruction and understanding". There's a price we must pay for the truth & wisdom, it's not with money, rather than with sacrifice of ourselves.
@calamorico but he never abrogated the first commandment, the fundamental belief of monotheism, not even in the bible "hear, israel, the lord our god is one god"...
the qor'an says "they blaspheme who say "jesus is allah" and they wre not commanded to worship anyone except allah..."
the bible is a road and the qor'an is the destination...
Respond to this video...My honest observation of what the Quran has done with the minds of Arabs, is a mangled mess, a snare of deceitful teachings with no real basis other than the distorted mind if one misguided man. He has become an instrument of Satan to smear the truth of the Word of God. He may have accomplished his goal to deceive many but not for much longer. There are many that are profiting from publishing as a legitimate business. God will be the judge otherwise.
@khalilrabee If I abandon the road of the Bible because of what your Quran says, my destination will be towards destruction, it will mean that am selling my truth for a lie & total darkness. Believe you me, God uses the negative, as in the case of Ramses the Pharaoh from Egypt, to show His power. He chose Saul of Tarsus also, to show His power of transformation for His glory. He chose lowly Mary to bring forth the Hope of the whole world! "He who has the Son has the Father also & vice-versa"
DID SAMI SAID GABRIEL IS THE HOLY SPIRIT? WOW!! THAT MEANS THE GABE WAS POURED OUT AS JOEL 2:28 SAID: "And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions". HUMMMM
HEB. 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.
Gen 14:18-20 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. 19 And he blessed him and said: “ Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth; 20 And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.” And he gave him a tithe of all.
First and foremost, I don't have anything against muslims, however, even calling Islam a religion like christianity or judaism is a misnomer. Islam is a hateful and dangerous ideology no different that Nazism. Islamofascism is a threat for world peace and progress. I have been to the middle east and has seen the devastating effect of this religion. Muslims taught to be extremely hateful to non Muslims and are incredibly racist. You should see how they treat Sudanese, Somalians etc.
the koran says u mush wash the inside of ur nose 3 times a day in the morning because satan hides there ..lol
Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
see the old prophets were talking about Jesus and sayng Jesus was God
about Ishmael it says he will be like a wild donkey fighting everyone and all his brothers
Rob Scott said at 1:28:10 that we "cannot imagine what God is", which is actually a Muslim belief... So how is it that not only were the people around Jesus imagining him, they actually saw him.... lol
Christians often talk about developing a relationship with Christ and accepting him into their lives. They assert that Jesus is much more than a man and died on the cross to free mankind from the original sin. Christians speak of Jesus with love and respect, and it is obvious he holds a special place in their lives and hearts. But what about Muslims; what do they think about Jesus and what place does Jesus Christ hold in Islam?
@zorin85 Quran 2:141 suggests that some Jews and Christians are foolish as to ask why Muslims changed the direction of their prayers from facing Jerusalem to facing the Kaaba. This is an embarrassment on the part of Allah who assumes that Jews and Christians, throughout their history, have always regarded the Kaaba, the home of many pagan gods, as the House of their God (YAHWAH). This assumption shocks scholars, intellectuals, and academic thinkers around the world.
@123: It would only shock imbeciles like u for the fact of Kaaba as the House of God (Beth-el) has been long recognized in ancient times by pious Jews, as explained by Rev. David Benjamin Keldani in his book, Muhammad in the Bible.
The true God is NOT confined to any particular location or direction as the Quran eloquently explains in 2:115 to those who r ignorant of the nature & attributes of God.
Christians often talk about developing a relationship with Christ and accepting him into their lives. They assert that Jesus is much more than a man and died on the cross to free mankind from the original sin. Christians speak of Jesus with love and respect, and it is obvious he holds a special place in their lives and hearts. But what about Muslims; what do they think about Jesus and what place does Jesus Christ hold in Islam?
Some people here are just doing business...u read your words carefully then try questioning yourselves if your doing right...we don't need proofs...its in our hearts...
Christians should not be divided into denominations. The bible says that if you are in a denomination, you are not walking for Jesus. As a matter of fact, the very word "denomination" is NOT listed one time in the entire bible.
I think debates like this are only fruitful when one side or the other isn't completely convinced of their position already, eg for people on the fence
or if one of them hears something they never considered before, or something that just immediately makes them see that the other person is right
because when someone wants to, one can often argue endlessly to defend a falsehood
@ganerexpert Here one group of morons deabate the other on the subject of "What kind of SPAGHETTI is the Flying Spaghetti Monster we should believe in?
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead..
GuruTruthSpeak, re: I quote the Quran to REFUTE!!!
Using the quran to refute is like using a gun using blanks to protect oneself from gun-toting criminals. Wont work.
Re: Acts 23:6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees,
Paul defends himself b4 the Jewish court, the Sannhedrin. Knowing he will not receive a fair hearing, he skillfully divides the group into their long-standing, bitterly-quarreling factions. See verses 7 & 8 for proof.
GuruTruthSpeak, re: YOU HAVE BEEN REFUTED... Make that DESTROYED!!!
You make quite an explosion for something not relevant.
Paul knew he was being railroaded by a bunch of liars, users, corrupt individuals who have been using Abrahams laws for their own greedy & nefarious purposes.
& Yes, Islam is Satanic b/c ONLY Islam & Satan allow & advocate LYING.
My dear deluded adversary, Islam is a topic of excellent information by which, wherever I look it is its own worst enemy.
Compare this with the female idols Allaat and Al-`Uzzah.
And Manaat, the third one.
Do you have sons, while He has these as daughters?
What a disgraceful distribution!
These are but names that you made up, you and your forefathers. GOD never authorized such a blasphemy. They follow conjecture, and personal desire, when the true guidance has come to them herein from their Lord.
Ahhh, my dear delude adversary ... have you been to Mecca?
Does it ever occur to you WHY most educated people world-wide doNOT want to insult muslims for fear of having their heads cut off? Why?
The stupidity of all muslims kissing & circling allah! Sure it is! Islam always ALWAYS say one thing & do something completely opposite. Muhammad carried over the traditions of the Ka'aba's previous predecessors, pagan worshippers! Allah is simply the Black Stone, the moon rock idol. You KISS IT, ehhh?
A polytheistic, deluded fool who has rejected the one true God for worthless puppets to seek comfort..
Also a polytheistic donkey who has rejected the One true God by ascribing to him a partners of different forms when he clearly said; THERE ARE NO GODS BEFORE ME..And..THOU SHALT NOT MAKE UNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE..
You been to church lately donkey breath? Check out the GRAVEN images on the stained glass!
Funny how your comments come back to bite you on the ASS eh?
Ur refuting something Islamic from an Islamic source? Are you 4 real? I certainly dont recognize the qurans history as any kind of authority! NO ONE SHOULD!
Quran is filled with true, false, & fairy tale doctrines/stories from various sources.
Not to mention it began w/Muhammad & LYING is one of its specialties. 1st muslim was Muhammad NOT any Jewish prophet.
Islam has NO archaeological historical evidence beyond 1,400 yrs ago
"When I see films like, 'Al-Shatat', broadcast during Ramadan, I see a recurring theme I don't see anything new, in fact, I see attacks against Jews, I see an
attempt to depict the Jews as bloodthirsty people as murderers as a people who
would sacrifice Christian children to drink their blood during their holiday."
jihad for peace. Allah is every single creations creator. I invite you to islam, You need to chill out why you quoting from these mad men who the majority of the muslims have already refuted already.Dude you miss the event already.peace to you and family.muslim in london
Lol you say tekayya and this the shia's hidden deception not us sunni's, also jesus(pbuh) has no father I think you are getting us mixed with the so christians.And that verse you quoted have been exposed by christians scholars as a historical addition. try harder mate. god bless you and family.
The holy spirit isnt guiding you?why is that I wonder? Nowhere in the qur'an does it say we can lie,the devil is playing jedi mind tricks on you.Hmm. I will prove easily that beloved yeshua whom be peace is only a prophet and a messiah and certainly not God. I would like to have a private message dialogue with you. I will show you next week on your page god willing via private msg if you do not chicken out like most christians do, I will add you because im fair can you do the same?
Lying, to deny my God (Jesus) is NOT possible. 4 Islam tho, it is ok to to lie to protect urself or ur religion from harm. Here R ur following quranic verses to lie.
FROM Qur'an:
Sura (16:106) Qur'an (9:3) Qur'an (3:54) Sura (3:28) Sura (40:28) Sura (2:225)
@jefeisdguard the APOSTATE PAUL OF TARSUS lied about everything. He was a persecutor of the christians and he later decided to subject them to his false philosophies and doctrines. HE even lied to them when he said jesus appeared to him on the way to demascus.
@jefeisdguard its a known fact that the trinity doctrine is from man and not god. And the jesus in the quran is the real jesus ...he is the messiah the physical son of Mary not god and he is a prophet just like the bible also says. The christians were divided and could not agree on the nature of jesus some thought he was like god and some thought he was created by god and only a human being..thats when emperor constantine steped in to settle the difference because it was destabalizing his empir
The quranic Jesus is FAKE! Created by EVIL minds. It is Satanic in nature.
Islam is the religion of LIES & deception, it just so happens that Satan is the “father of liars”! Satan posed as Gabriel (2 Cor 11:14) & put the idea of Islam in Muhammads head.
Constatine makes mistakes as all humans do. Which is why God protected His word.
@jefeisdguard The Apostate Paul of Taursus saw satan on the way to dumascus and believed the evil that satan told him. What witnesses did he have ? two roman soldiers or two pharaseies that had the same fake philosophies as paul did..Constantine makes mistakes and so did YOUR "apostal paul" the hypocrite that even curses the law of moses. IF MOSES was alive he would have had paul stoned to death for what he was preaching.
Constatine who? Paul witnesses were his companions. Too bad YOU don’t put forth as much effort trying to repudiate ur quran b/c it is loaded with LIES & deceptions.
If it is ur decision to begin a conversation besmirching Paul on the law of Moses, then you have failed to contextualize.
Lets stop right here. Bring proof Jesis spoke as a baby & called out to allah. No further conversation need take place
@jefeisdguard bring me forth one shred of proof that jesus performed one miracle and proof of a cruci-fiction(they dont even know where his grave site was) even though he had many followers and his apostals were still alive. You would think that with such an important event such a place would be protected..after all according to your twisted beliefs jesus is god the "SON" . They only speculate on the burial site or grave site
Re: if the quran would’ve said he spoke in his mothers womb I’d believe it
Course U would! No PROOF necessary after all that indoctrination & propaganda, ehhh?
Proof Jesus performed miracles? Mark, Matthew, Luke & John. All began writing less than 20 yrs when Jesus went 2 heaven. Why would Jesus have a burial site when He prophesied He’d rise in 3 days?
WOULD U DIE 4 A LIE? 8 of the 12 didn’t either. After torture All witnessed they saw Jesus crucified & rose in 3 days.
@jefeisdguardWrote: Proof Jesus performed miracles? Mark, Matthew, Luke & John. All began writing less than 20 yrs when Jesus went 2 heaven. Why would Jesus have a burial site when He prophesied He’d rise in 3 days?<<<<loool this is no proof ..you are only quoting the bible...and you dont consider a place or tomb where he was alegedly buried significant? are you kidding me. hahahahahah you are laughable. Produce your proof and quit spewing false lies.
@hen8167 Re: Produce your proof I had asked first. Where are my proofs? "Quoting from quran is NOT proof its authentic." Muslims never question Quran & to argue in circular fallacy: #1 Proving Allah by Quran then proving Quran by Allah. #2 Proving Muhammd by Quran then proving Quran by Muhammd. #3 Proving Islam by Quran then proving Quran by Islam. #4 Proving quran thru itself Quran Must be proved outside the quran 2B authentic, credible, established, true & trustworthy.
@jefeisdguard Atleast the quran has a consistant message on the other hand the bible is NOT consistant with its message ....it has the Law of moses and then all of a sudden Paul the apostate comes to do away with the Law and says and teaches that the Law is a "curse" and also teaches that you are saved by faith alone and works are not needed. Are you kidding me ? Paul destroyed many with his false teachings. Instead of killing the believers physically he decided to do it spiritually.
@jefeisdguard In jeramiah's prophecy it also says that men will put their swords in plow shares and the lion will lay with the lamb .......as far as i'm concerned this has NOT happened and that god would write his word in their hearts and in their minds <<<<this has not happened. You need to quote the whole verse not parts of it. JERAMIAH is not prophecying about the new covnant he is really prophecying about a time of complete peace <<<which has not existed yet. Quite trying to deceive.
@jefeisdguard where does it say i, Jesus will forgive them their sins in those verses you quoted from jeramiah? or where does it sai i god the messiah will forgive their sins? why wont you quote exactly what the verse says ? i know why you wont. Because it does NOT mention jesus or the messiah in that verse of jeramiah..that's because the messiah was not born yet and jesus is only a prophet from god..but NOT god. No jesus is coming to destroy anti christ and his followers.
The OT prophesied Jesus, NOT the pedophile pirate like Muhammad. How could anyone in their right mind believe a pedophile w/libido of 30 men, rapes women, marries a child & daughter-in-law & beheads hundreds of young boys be a prophet of God? Only Jesus CAN FORGIVE MANS SINS
@jefeisdguard O.K. the old testament prophesied about jesus but that particular verse you quoted 31:34 jeramiah...<<<,=where does it say Jesus will forgive them their sins. YOU are a deceiver that takes the bible out of context to deceive people into believing your mumbo jumbo garbage,
Deception, lying in Islam, AL TEKAYYA means to prevent
Like most religions, Islam in general, forbids lying. The Quran says, "Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies." Surah 40:28. In the Hadith, Mohammed was also quoted as saying, "Be honest because honesty leads to goodness, and goodness leads to Paradise. Beware of falsehood because it leads to immorality, and immorality leads to Hell."
Within Islam there R provisions lying is encouraged. Book "The spirit of Islam," by Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah written 2 promote Islam. Pg 247, Tabbarah states: "Lying is not always bad, 2B sure; there R times when telling a lie more profitable & better 4 general welfare & 4 settlement of conciliation among people, than telling truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (thru lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good."
BOOO more drivel, you quote from a man who is not a famous jurist of islamic history, I will help you, if I was captured by a dirty kaffir and he told me to eat pork and renounce islam or his men will murder my family some muslims would say they will do it, but im the fudamentalist andwould rather die then give in to a infidel scumbag
Mohammed often lied & instructed his followers to do same. Example of sanctioned lying is assassination of Kaab Ibn al-Ashrf, a member of the Banu al-Nudair Jewish tribe. Muslim man, Ibn Muslima, volunteered 2 kill him on condition Mohammed would allow him 2 lie. W/Mohammed's consent, Ibn Muslima, went 2 Kaab told him fabricated stories(that reflected discontent about Mohammed's leadership) gained Kaab's trust lured him away from his house 1 night & murdered him under the cover of darkness.
Lol that is been proven as a lie, please get hiyatus sahaba its about every action of muhammad(saw) and his companions. and the seal of the nectar about his childhood and life. They killed him in his house not outside, oh boy you got some serious studying to do. I will keep on refuting you easily.try again
Example of lying? Killing Shaaban Ibn Khalid al-Hazly. Rumored Shaaban gathering an army 2 wage war on Mohammed. Mohammed retaliated & ordered Abdullah Ibn Anis 2 kill Shaaban. Would-be killer asked prophet's permission 2 lie. Mohammed agreed. Lie by stating he was a member of the Khazaa clan. Shaaban invited Abdullah 2 come inside his tent 2 rest. Abdullah sat there until he sensed everyone was asleep. Abdullah severed Shaaban's head & carried it to Mohammed as a trophy.
Lol you again aint you tired yet with making a complete mess of yourself? That kaffir dog murdered men/woman/children and even his clan ate muslims hearts. you have no knowledge regarding islamic history, you flip open books and look to discredit islam and look rather silly trying to do so, I suggest you get a book by sheikh albani and ibn taimiyyah they should give you ammo to try and hammer islam lol, the source you quoted is weak. but the killing is true
Jesus Christ is LORD of LORDS and KING of KINGS! He is GOD coming in the flesh and walked among us.
sweet161402 1 day ago
Just think of it like this friends, in the Christian Bible no where do u find any prophet going around forcing ppl to chose that religion or suffer death from the prophets hands, just from that 1 thing alone makes me wonder about Muhammad and, the Muslim religion, Im not here to judge but to say plz folks do your own home work, no1 will been given a excuse for persecuting Jesus esp in our time with all the info. we have at our hands now... Its your life and your soul on the line, good luck.
WakeupFreinds 4 days ago
Jesus never said he was god, full stop. Jesus did though in the Quran say he is the messenger of god, so which book would you follow, unclear, or clear?
3food4u 1 month ago
@3food4u How the Quran is compiled? By date written by Mohammed or by thickness of the book as to be the first chapter for Quran after the death of your prophet? So that the book will be CLEAR or UNCLEAR in reading and in study.
hpurbancombat 1 month ago
Jesus is a prophet. If he was God why would God let humans kill him? does that mean we are Greater than God? Marry was Jesus mother. God has a mother???
This doesnt add up if you ask me. Jesus is a great Prophet not God.
BiH23a 1 month ago
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JESUS CHRIST IS LORD...
Erap1muzik 2 months ago
one more thing christian are not all the same. their are difference, sunday keeper and Sabbath (7th day of the week) or saturday keeper (not just SDA is Sabbath keeper). Catholic believes in trinity same as with SDA which is wrong. Their is only One true Living Creator Yahweh. Jew become hypocrite because of being the chosen people (blinded by pride). Muslims fight for land. Muhammad worship somebody inside the cave before Angel Gabriel call him.
hpurbancombat 2 months ago
Before the end of the world, i wonder, who will return from heaven to save the mankind from it's own destruction? Jesus (Yahshua) or Muhammad? Who will judge the world?
And one more thing. We believers of Yahshua have 10 Commandments while Muslims have jihad describes as peace but way of killing and suicide.
Paul is don't create traditions but the pope did.
Roman Catholic use rosary for prayer as do muslim but it is an ancient practice of paganism before the abraham. Jew don't use rosary.
hpurbancombat 2 months ago
@hpurbancombat
will we beleive as muslim that Isa"jesus" will return But not for judge the word but as a prophet like all the prophet they come to call the people to Allah,he will be mojahed "warrior"and force the people to embrace Islam there will be no jezyah "tax"as before and Paul hijack the religion of jesus and fabric new religion
, Paul says the law is abolished while Jesus says this will not happen until heaven and earth pass away. Christianity is The Pauline Doctrines
m3d2 1 month ago
@m3d2 Sorry the Christian you are telling is the Doctrine of the Roman Catholism or Sunday Keepers. If you try to really study about the law, it is not just the 10 commandments, remember there is this ceremonial law, food law, even the divorce is part of Mosaic Law. Then some will ask even Christian which Law then that Paul says? It is the ceremonial law and the law of tithing. Because the it is Yahshua that the prophets referring about the coming Messiah.
hpurbancombat 1 month ago
@hpurbancombat OMG I can't believe ,why you claim to be god..are you un sane
m3d2 1 month ago
@m3d2 hahaah you are insane! where did you get that idea
hpurbancombat 1 month ago
@m3d2 oh my, you can't comprehend such wordings I use how much more the Scripture and the Quran or even Physics book hahahahaha! Go to back to school and learn how to analyze! whew you made me sweet because of laughing to such reply of yours.
hpurbancombat 1 month ago
@m3d2 Continuation... the problem is that the Jew set aside the prophecy about the first coming of the Messiah in a human form which already been told by Moses, especially Isaiah and other prophets even to Adam is was told about the coming Saviour. Jew expects about the Messiah who is possess power and authority not as a carpenter and not good looking which oppose to the pictures of Jesus (told in Isaiah). Jews expect Messiah in glory which prophesied in Daniel, Jeremiah, and other prophets.
hpurbancombat 1 month ago
@m3d2 continuation.... we cannot ignore the condition of the life of the Jews at that time for they are under rulership of Roman Empire and they hoping for conquering Messiah or Saviour from that condition. But the Scriptures speaks about Messiah as saviour of mankind, saviour from the penalty of Death and Sin. The Ceremonial Law (I will site one) is only a form of covering their sins such sacrificing a lamb and it's blood but Yahshua is the Eternal Sacrificial Lamb the covers
hpurbancombat 1 month ago
@m3d2 continuation mans sin and other ceremonial that represents the purpose of the Eternal Father for His Son. Paul even state that the Law is Good as you can find in Epistle of Romans. Also he states in Romans 3:31 that we uphold the Law. Which Law? The Statutes and the Commandments of Father. Meaning the 10 Commandments or to compress the Law of Love. For this Law is already practice by Noah, Enoch, and Abraham. He was moved by faith and he obey. If there is no law from time of Abraham down
hpurbancombat 1 month ago
@hpurbancombat if there is no law why God the Father found sinners and trespassers and even called those at Sodom and Gomorrah adulterers and fornicators? these act are way before Moses and again repeated in time of Moses and more taught by Yahshua and the Apostles including Paul. In Corinthians 3 Paul well differentiate the law! Read it and hope you understand what you are reading hahahah
hpurbancombat 1 month ago
Jesus (pbuh) of Nazareth – a Man Approved of God
The following statement from the Bible supports the Islamic belief that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God.
"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."
[The Bible, Acts 2:22]
Mancunian786 3 months ago
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How is islam truth if it rejects the prophets islam contradicts christ and the prophets from moses to isaiah. Islam contradicts God and is an attack against everything God almighty said. God said in the old scriptures that he would send his son to live with us who would die for our sins and make it possible for us to be saved by his sons blood, and the lord jesus did this mohhamed rejects this so mohhamed is from satan. who says God has no son is from satan and does not belong to God
vladimirkovalski 4 months ago
Christian believed Jesus will pay for everybody sins by using his account card.He swipe his card and clear your debt of sins.He die on the cross for their sins ,just like a sarificial lamb.Let me ask you christian,is jesus , your sacred scapegoat,to die for your sins?So what is the message from Jesus about GOD almighty?Christian forgotten everything about ALLAH.ALLAH cannot die,ALLAH is Forever living being.Did you learn anything about ALLAH from Jesus?Allah is the father of Creation.
kapal1234 4 months ago
these are Abraham is the father of nations- jews, christians, and muslims...muslims claim that ishmael was the heir to abraham but was kicked out along with hagar because hagar was a slave therefore was not allowed to be the heir, plus sarah was jealous and she gave birth to isaac....ismael is the muslim genealogy and isaac is the judeo-christian genealogy.....jesus was a jew and lived as a muslim. christians are followers of St. Paul who created most of christian teachings and traditions.
B1GSICK0 4 months ago
@B1GSICK0 these are Abrahamic religions b/c Abraham...*
B1GSICK0 4 months ago
if jesus raise up from death Christians they are in trouble becouse they are sinners lol
TheSayfullah114 5 months ago
If you claim that Jesus is Your God? why Did He let Himself Crucified by the People? Why didn't he do anything to stop his suffering?
hamsar99 6 months ago
@spiritconscience
ur really not that religious.. excuse me but in ALLAH(S.W.T) took prophet Jesus at the moment he was crucified.. it was not really prophet Jesus who was crucified but a False person if I'm not mistaken it was Judas.. and at the day of judgment He will return..
hamsar99 6 months ago
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Islam is SATANIC AND ANTI CHRIST. Jesus would not approve of the Qur'an.
You know the Bible says Jesus is the creator? Much more than just a messenger, he did not worship the God of Islam you should read what he ACTUALLY SAID IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.
Go throw rocks at a statue of satan or something
Kr0n1k4Lyfe 7 months ago
i dont see how Muhammad or his prophets ,can have any say whatsoever about jesus. Were they physically present at the time of jesus's life. Jesus has witnesses and prophets who bore living testimony about the miracles jesus performed and his physical death, which were recorded in the bible. A witness's testimony cannot be altered 600 years later. How can the quran be a witness to something that happened 600 years before it even exsisted. Why would anybody follow a fabrication of the truth.
spiritconscience 7 months ago
Christians have really misunderstood the animal sacrificing of the Torah.
A lot of their doctrines are based on the misunderstanding of the Torah. That's why they have to mental masturbate and, as Sami said, make interpretations that don't match up with the scripture.
Salam.
JabrilAbdullah 7 months ago
Why are you guys so dumb. Educate yourself and not just watch one video and say muslims copied the Bible. How is the Quran the same as the Bible.
ssahar1 7 months ago
the funniest thing about muslims is they try adn say the NT is corrupted and wrote not by the original people and then ask Christians to prove it was lol
Should they not have to show from the original Manuscripts what was changed
they don't cause they can't it's the same argument used By Shabir Alley and most other debators please Muslims before u keep looking dumb get the prove u so think is there that NO ONE has ever been able to show
chrisandstaci 8 months ago
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No body copied any one ,God send many messengers Each have been given a divine book to guide their people to the right path ,but the people chose to deny it
Look what happen to Noah when he warned his people they denied ,Ibrahim ,moses warner his people and saved them from the slavery they went astray again,And jesus camebut the Jews said he was not Jewish enough because they did not believe he was born miracle.
warner his people and saved them from the slavery they went astray again,they de
abuaimen23 8 months ago
No body copied any one ,God send many messengers Each have been given a divine book to guide their people to the right path ,but the people chose to deny it
Look what happen to Noah when he warned his people they denied ,Ibrahim ,moses warner his people and saved them from the slavery they went astray again,And jesus camebut the Jews said he was not Jewish enough because they did not believe he was born miracle
warner his people and saved them from the slavery they went astray again,they de
abuaimen23 8 months ago
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The holy trinity was added into the Bible 325AD...during the first counil of nicea, read the fact and wikipedia.
MsTcmarie 8 months ago
The holy trinity was added into the Bible 325AD...during the first counil of nicea, read the fact and wikipedia
MsTcmarie 8 months ago
I like how this guy says that Islam "fits in" with Christian teachings. adding on to a story does not make it part of the original. I could add onto the story of the American Revolution, and even add parts that make sense, but that does not mean they really happened just because they "fit in" with the story. Christianity came first, Islam copied a lot from it, plain and simple.
FrieLegos 9 months ago
@FrieLegos
That's funny. because Jews say you Christians copied a lot of Christianity from them. Funny world eh?
mujtahid2006 9 months ago 16
@mujtahid2006 very funny world. lol however, it is different because we did not make up the second part of the story.
FrieLegos 9 months ago
@FrieLegos
Well a lot of Jesus' teachings (if not all) are found in the Old Testament (Jewish Torah), so I don't see your point. As for the doctrinal differences between Christians and Jews, well, there are doctrinal differences between (Trinitarian) Christians and Muslims - so I could say that our 'second part of the story' is also not copied. Go figure!... :)
mujtahid2006 9 months ago
@mujtahid2006 "a lot of Jesus' teachings are found in the Old Testament" Thats correct, because he was fulfilling the scriptures. the second part of the story is where you are wrong. the quran has added so much to the bible, such as changing the crucifixion. Jesus died on the cross and we know this for 3 reasons. 1 we have his burial shroud. 2 he was buried in a tomb of a man who we know is real. 3 we have eyewitness accounts of him after he was raised up.
FrieLegos 9 months ago
@mujtahid2006 lets put it like this, 1, you have the new testament that was written by both first and second generation Christians. people who were with Jesus. they wrote in extensive detail about His life, death, and resurrection. 2, over 500 years later you have one man, muhammad, who was illiterate, lied, cheated, sined in general, etc. who went to a cave and claimed that an angle told him what really happened. ???? just from a strictly historical point of view, I would go with the Bible.
FrieLegos 9 months ago
@FrieLegos according to the bible jesus sinned and was punished with scourges by god
exposemyfoes 8 months ago
@exposemyfoes wrong. according to the Bible, Jesus was a perfect and spotless lamb sent to sand in the gap, and reconcile God and man. He never sinned, which is why He was the only one who could bring salvation through His death and resurrection.
FrieLegos 8 months ago
@FrieLegos r u sure about that because i can quote some interesting passages and islam came and completed judaism and christianity
exposemyfoes 8 months ago
@exposemyfoes I would love to hear them. go ahead.
FrieLegos 8 months ago
btw, we have proof that Jesus died on the cross and rose again. 1, we have his burial shroud. The shroud was proclaimed to young by a carbon based test, but then later, when tested again, was found to be about the right date. 2 we have we have the burial cloth that went over his head and is so bloody, that an outline of His face can be seen and fits over the shrouds face, also they found traces of pollen on the head wrap that are unique to a thorn plant outside of Jerusalem.3 is in another reply
FrieLegos 9 months ago
@mujtahid2006 3, the man in this says that Jesus did not die on the cross, but it was made to look like He did, to fool His enemies. so why then did He fool his disciples also? why did He come to them show them His wounds after the crucifixion? why then did He tell them that He would be crucified and rise on the third day? if He did not die, then why does all the evidence suggest that He did?
FrieLegos 9 months ago
@FrieLegos U have to prove his disciples believed he was crucified,which u cant because biblical scholarship admits that the gospels r anonymous,their were plenty of christians in the first century who didnt believe in the crucifiction such as the nazarenes,cerinthians and ebionites
exposemyfoes 8 months ago
@mujtahid2006
Christians are pretty much spiritual Jews. Jews have not recognised the Messiah and are still waiting, but Jesus is the Messiah and has already come, and He is the one who I have put my faith in. There was no copying or any such sort done.
AkshayDavid1 5 months ago
@mujtahid2006 If both are prophets then they contradict each other the Old Testament clearly speaks of Christ and Christ tells us I'm the one Moses spoke of, who had to be a Jew!
For they all spoke of the God of Israel.
How does Mohammad fit in?
Adonomos 4 months ago
@FrieLegos You really need to study The Councils of Nicea before you start talking about the bible and its authenticity.
DaddyKyan 7 months ago
@mujtahid2006 Your referring to the OT which Judaism follows yes, but Christianity teaches both the OT/old testament and NT/new testament, so that means yes ofcourse Christianity has what the Jewish ppl taught and Jesus when on earth gave it to the gentiles. Yes at 1st Lebanese, Syrians etc where Christians for many centuries, and all where given the choice to become Christians, but when Muhammad came on the scene ppl where forced to become Muslims, do your own research friend, peace.
WakeupFreinds 4 days ago
@FrieLegos judaism came first and christianity took from it,and also mithraism came first and osiris worship and christianity robbed wholesale from it,historical fact mithra was called the LAMB OF GOD AND ALPHA AND OMEGA
exposemyfoes 8 months ago
@exposemyfoes Christianity did not take from Judaism, it completed it.
FrieLegos 8 months ago
@FrieLegos peace be upon you brother, you said Quran is basicly a copy of the bible? can you show me one, the Quran is way different from the bible, one example:the first miracle of Jesus(pbuh)in the bible is that he turned water into wine, first miricale of Jesus(pbuh) in Quran,19:Then she brought him to her people,carrying him.They said,O Mary,you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."
kamazama7415 8 months ago
@FrieLegos sry ran out of room,verse 28-:32So she pointed to him. They said,How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alivend [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.
kamazama7415 8 months ago
@FrieLegos verse33-And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive.That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.[Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.
kamazama7415 8 months ago
@FrieLegos verse 37-38,Then the factions differed [concerning Jesus] from among them, so woe to those who disbelieved - from the scene of a tremendous Day. How [clearly] they will hear and see the Day they come to Us, but the wrongdoers today are in clear error.
so you see brother or sister even the birth of jesus(pbuh) is different hey your christian right why havent you read the Quran? if i was christian i would be pretty amazed that the are 1.2billion muslims who belive the jesus is messiah
kamazama7415 8 months ago
@FrieLegos Mithra came first and Christianity copied a lot from it, plain and simple.
Legend1One 8 months ago
@FrieLegos religion isn't bcoz it is old sir, It is the preservation of the revealation by god to us!!! SO YOU see today more than 75 version of bible are in the world if you get some line in one but doesn't remain in another one!! It is like making confuse competition !!!! however do u know sir Hinduism n bhuddism is also old than christianity?? N as this context, why didn't muhammed copy tritnit? Yes quran came to clearify there was book but it is manipulated as I gave u proof!!
mansuraus 6 months ago
@mansuraus prophet Mohammed didn't copy the trinity because there is only one God and that is ALLAH(S.W.T) if you christians believe that there is only one god.. why are there so many branches of christianity.. and why are you praising the cross where in fact God ordered to praise him and him alone.. why are you praising the saint are they the God? is Jesus your God? then who is the one you are calling God is Jesus is your God? does it means you have 2 Gods?
hamsar99 6 months ago
@hamsar99 bro beofre undertanding something don;t write something to anyone?? I put question mark there!! I am so upset getting ur comment bcoz I am proud muslim!!! in response of someone I asked him why than muhammed didn't copy trinity?? N you are making a debate with me here!! ANYWAY may be ur mis or my misunderstanding!! May allah gives us towfik BRO!! Ameeen!!!!
mansuraus 6 months ago
@mansuraus maybe i misunderstand.. i'm a muslim too.. it's almost ramadhan.. so inshaallah we may fast faithfully
hamsar99 6 months ago
@FrieLegos ,@FrieLegos ,I love Jesus.Just imagined this.All this messengers was asked to send message from the same ruler.will the message differ?muhammad is no different from any other messenger,he passed on that same message.Your Lord and my Lord is the same one,ALLAH.Jesus is a carpenter,son of mary.People called him Lord because they respect him but Jesus did say in bible,Your Lord and my lord is GOD.Allah is not Jesus,Jesus is Allah messenger.
kapal1234 4 months ago 4
Jesus is my messenger and he is a Jews too.
kapal1234 4 months ago
christianity came first?christianity wasnt called christanity in the life of jesus peace be upon him!the name christainity came after jesus pbuh 300 yrs so a question to u is wat was the religion that jesus was teaching and wat was the religion?let me help u, we muslims believe all prophets[Adam pbuh to prophet Muhammed pbuh]came with the same message to worship on god alone and sumit ur will to god-a person that does this is called a MUSLIM so ISLAM WAS THE RELIGION JESUS [PBUH] FOLLOWED
mrsfarahpanda 2 months ago
There is only one God, allah right? and no one is his equal right? not even a prophet. the pharisees killed Jesus because he claimed to be the son of God, equal and one with the Father. so wouldn't that make Him a false prophet? now we know that Jesus did die because he was buried in the tomb Joseph of Arimathea, who we know to be a real person. and we know how Jesus died, from a ruptured heart. all this seems to point in one direction to me.
FrieLegos 9 months ago
And the Old Testament does mention a rising from the grave....... a resurrection.
raulito22190 9 months ago
they're just talking and talking and non of them get nowhere!!! look the main issue is this, did Yeshua get crucified or not? and if so did he really rise? the rest is really insignificant. So what do historical facts say outside of the Quoran and the Bible? Sorry to say the bible I think has the edge on that one. And everybody should listen to William Lane Craig debate Christianity he will blow you away.
raulito22190 9 months ago
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legnuci 9 months ago
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Quran:
(Surah-5-the maidah-vs-110)
When Allah will say: o isa (Jesus) son of marium (Mary)! Remember my favor on you and on your mother, when I strengthened you with the holy spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and when of old age, and when I taught you the book and the wisdom and the taurat and the injeel; and when you
quranresponse 10 months ago
@quranresponse baraka allahu feek, thats one of my favourite ayahs
khalilrabee 10 months ago
determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by my permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by my permission, and you healed the blind and the leprous by my permission; and when you brought forth the dead by my permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who disbelieved among them said: this is nothing but clear enchantment(magic).
quranresponse 10 months ago
i like it how christians often say of our view over 'eesa 'aleyhi asslam..."merely a prophet" or "just a prophet",as if they meet a prophet every single day and jesus is just one of those prophets...
as if moosa was a simple good man, a prophet u know like many others...as if they are prophets...
khalilrabee 10 months ago
“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me WHOM THEY PIERCED. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. ZACHARIAH 12:10
calamorico 10 months ago
@calamorico in the new revised bible pierced is not found...no prophecy...
khalilrabee 10 months ago
@khalilrabee Oh please, give me a break!! I don't expect U to say: Oh yes, that's true, it's been prophesied! not even if the Lord Jesus Himself says it to Ur face! . Could U show me the version Ur talking about, all the ones I checked used the same word. Everything He went through has been foretold.
calamorico 10 months ago
@calamorico well the lord jesus didnt tell me or u that he was going to die for sins...he never says that in the new testament...
thats what u want to believe just to justify ur sins in this world, and thats very selfish u know...
khalilrabee 10 months ago
@khalilrabee I guess you can't tell me the version of Bible that does not mentioned "pierced" prophesied, oh well, then it wasn't true. If you really search the Bible U most have read the Lord Jesus announcing His purpose & death at least 3 times. Mark 10 "45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
calamorico 10 months ago
@khalilrabee Mark 10:32 "Then He took the twelve aside again and began to tell them the things that would happen to Him: 33 “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and deliver Him to the Gentiles; 34 and they will mock Him, and scourge Him, and spit on Him, and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.”
calamorico 10 months ago
@calamorico did he say anything about sins?
khalilrabee 10 months ago
@khalilrabee He certainly did in Matthew 26: ..Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”
Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”
calamorico 10 months ago
@calamorico ok and how can u be sure that this is found in the ancient manuscripts? do u have any copy of them?
khalilrabee 10 months ago
@khalilrabee See? I knew it! I showed you the Scripture you asked for and you're still in denial!!! You can't believe because you're not of the FAITH. I believe in God's provision, He loves us and He made sure He got His words recovered 4 His church.
I believe the BIBLE is true by Faith. God gave us the written word and the Rhema word, (instant word). He is able to make His words come alive in our hearts, that's how I know, it's written in my mind and my heart as He promised He would do !!.
calamorico 10 months ago
@calamorico no, i dont blieve it because the qor'an says not to believe that, the qor'an tells me that jesus didnt die and unlike the bible the qor'an has evidence...
faith alone is good but not enough...i also hve faith in my book, but u also need evidence...the qor'an has evidence
khalilrabee 10 months ago
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@khalilrabee I have a feeling Muslims most have different versions of the Quran because Mohammad exhorted you to read it:
“It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)” (Surah 3:3). Have you ever read this??
calamorico 10 months ago
@khalilrabee If there are such errors in the Bible, (Torah/Gospels), why would your prophet commend you to read the Bible as guidance? Think about it, God gave us the right path to follow in Jesus, He has no other substitute, Jesus is the ladder to take us to the paradise of God, only through Him will humanity inherit eternal life. God does not acknowledge any kind of dogma or religion, He is after a believing heart who will obey His word by accepting Jesus as our only savior & access to God!
calamorico 10 months ago
@calamorico the qor'an speaks about gospel not gospels, and even the bible never mentions the word gospels, it speaks about gospel of jesus, paul started preaching the gospel of jesus, and the torah...the torah which was revealed unto moses not what scribes have maniupulated...
besides pauladmits he is a liar which confirms the qor'an...he also admits he is a hipocrit so i dont know how u follow a book written by a hipocrit especially when that hipocrit admits he is one...
khalilrabee 10 months ago
@khalilrabee There is only one Gospel=Good News of Jesus-Christ. Paul, who was a Zealot, a well trained Pharisee, taught by Gamaliel the cream of the cream, acknowledged by today's Jewish history, as Saul of Tarsus he hunted down Christians, he was a total extremist who had a direct call from above, He saw Jesus for the first time revealed! Jesus knew he was an ideal candidate, a legit Hebrew, to be transformed radically from Judaism to the Gospel of Jesus-Christ Himself up close & personal!!
calamorico 10 months ago
@calamorico the qor'an also says "woe to those who wrote the book and said "this is from allah" to buy a small fortune with it, so woe to what their hands have written and woe to what they have earned"...
ur bible is a bestseller with a great profit, plus scholars admit that the bible is not purely what was revealed to the prophets...which confirms the qor'an...
the same thing was told by jesus when e said that he came to confirm the torah, preach the gospel and abrogate some of the laws
khalilrabee 10 months ago
@khalilrabee What evidence do you have to prove & convince me that the Quran was directly from God?
why should I believe that God is going to choose a son of Ismael, full of sin & corruption as Mohammad to be His voice? Ismael had God's righteous promise as Abram's son to be as numerous as the dust of the earth, BUT, he was also cursed, "he shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen." [Gen.16:12].
calamorico 10 months ago
@khalilrabee Jesus said: “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
calamorico 10 months ago
@khalilrabee The BOOK has to be sold in mass quantity order for people to get it. There are expenses in publishing, it must be compensated to be made available. Do Muslims get the Quran freely? There's got to be ways to obtain it, you need to pay the price for the material. Proverbs 23:23 says:
"Buy the truth, and do not sell it, also wisdom and instruction and understanding". There's a price we must pay for the truth & wisdom, it's not with money, rather than with sacrifice of ourselves.
calamorico 10 months ago
@calamorico but he never abrogated the first commandment, the fundamental belief of monotheism, not even in the bible "hear, israel, the lord our god is one god"...
the qor'an says "they blaspheme who say "jesus is allah" and they wre not commanded to worship anyone except allah..."
the bible is a road and the qor'an is the destination...
khalilrabee 10 months ago
Respond to this video...My honest observation of what the Quran has done with the minds of Arabs, is a mangled mess, a snare of deceitful teachings with no real basis other than the distorted mind if one misguided man. He has become an instrument of Satan to smear the truth of the Word of God. He may have accomplished his goal to deceive many but not for much longer. There are many that are profiting from publishing as a legitimate business. God will be the judge otherwise.
calamorico 10 months ago
@khalilrabee If I abandon the road of the Bible because of what your Quran says, my destination will be towards destruction, it will mean that am selling my truth for a lie & total darkness. Believe you me, God uses the negative, as in the case of Ramses the Pharaoh from Egypt, to show His power. He chose Saul of Tarsus also, to show His power of transformation for His glory. He chose lowly Mary to bring forth the Hope of the whole world! "He who has the Son has the Father also & vice-versa"
calamorico 10 months ago
DID SAMI SAID GABRIEL IS THE HOLY SPIRIT? WOW!! THAT MEANS THE GABE WAS POURED OUT AS JOEL 2:28 SAID: "And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions". HUMMMM
calamorico 10 months ago
BEGETTING IS NOT JUST THROUGH SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WHEN IT COMES TO OUR CREATOR WHO IS OUR ORIGINATOR!
Check out the definition/Synonyms: Bear, GENERATE, BRING INTO BEING,
beget, bring about, bring forth, cause, CREATE, DELIVER, engender, give birth to, give rise to, hatch, impregnate, induce, MAKE, MULTIPLY, ORIGINATE, procreate, PRODUCE, progenerate, propagate, reproduce, ETC..
calamorico 10 months ago
YOU GO ROB SCOTT!! AMEN!
calamorico 10 months ago
HEB. 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.
calamorico 10 months ago
Gen 14:18-20 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. 19 And he blessed him and said: “ Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth; 20 And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.” And he gave him a tithe of all.
calamorico 10 months ago
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First and foremost, I don't have anything against muslims, however, even calling Islam a religion like christianity or judaism is a misnomer. Islam is a hateful and dangerous ideology no different that Nazism. Islamofascism is a threat for world peace and progress. I have been to the middle east and has seen the devastating effect of this religion. Muslims taught to be extremely hateful to non Muslims and are incredibly racist. You should see how they treat Sudanese, Somalians etc.
jazzechosen 11 months ago
stand up for judas
adolfmcfuck 1 year ago
the koran says u mush wash the inside of ur nose 3 times a day in the morning because satan hides there ..lol
Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
see the old prophets were talking about Jesus and sayng Jesus was God
about Ishmael it says he will be like a wild donkey fighting everyone and all his brothers
dorinFeher 1 year ago
Really!?
Rob Scott said at 1:28:10 that we "cannot imagine what God is", which is actually a Muslim belief... So how is it that not only were the people around Jesus imagining him, they actually saw him.... lol
bogieee1 1 year ago
Christians often talk about developing a relationship with Christ and accepting him into their lives. They assert that Jesus is much more than a man and died on the cross to free mankind from the original sin. Christians speak of Jesus with love and respect, and it is obvious he holds a special place in their lives and hearts. But what about Muslims; what do they think about Jesus and what place does Jesus Christ hold in Islam?
Log on to islamreligion(dot)com/articles/1412/
zorin85 1 year ago
@zorin85 Quran 2:141 suggests that some Jews and Christians are foolish as to ask why Muslims changed the direction of their prayers from facing Jerusalem to facing the Kaaba. This is an embarrassment on the part of Allah who assumes that Jews and Christians, throughout their history, have always regarded the Kaaba, the home of many pagan gods, as the House of their God (YAHWAH). This assumption shocks scholars, intellectuals, and academic thinkers around the world.
123dsj123 1 year ago
@123: It would only shock imbeciles like u for the fact of Kaaba as the House of God (Beth-el) has been long recognized in ancient times by pious Jews, as explained by Rev. David Benjamin Keldani in his book, Muhammad in the Bible.
The true God is NOT confined to any particular location or direction as the Quran eloquently explains in 2:115 to those who r ignorant of the nature & attributes of God.
zorin85 1 year ago
Christians often talk about developing a relationship with Christ and accepting him into their lives. They assert that Jesus is much more than a man and died on the cross to free mankind from the original sin. Christians speak of Jesus with love and respect, and it is obvious he holds a special place in their lives and hearts. But what about Muslims; what do they think about Jesus and what place does Jesus Christ hold in Islam?
zorin85 1 year ago
Some people here are just doing business...u read your words carefully then try questioning yourselves if your doing right...we don't need proofs...its in our hearts...
nurjayandnurlance 1 year ago 3
The Muslim guy isn't talented enough in this field, but he did well. Ahmed Deedat would have totally destroyed all of the Christians arguments.
Destroyticus 1 year ago
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Christians should not be divided into denominations. The bible says that if you are in a denomination, you are not walking for Jesus. As a matter of fact, the very word "denomination" is NOT listed one time in the entire bible.
brotherfrank62 1 year ago
I think debates like this are only fruitful when one side or the other isn't completely convinced of their position already, eg for people on the fence
or if one of them hears something they never considered before, or something that just immediately makes them see that the other person is right
because when someone wants to, one can often argue endlessly to defend a falsehood
disputation often bring more bad than good...
12345678channelviews 1 year ago
Christianity seems like a blind belief
ganerexpert 1 year ago
@ganerexpert Here one group of morons deabate the other on the subject of "What kind of SPAGHETTI is the Flying Spaghetti Monster we should believe in?
Both group of morons are pathetic
amper0003 1 year ago
You are quoting from the quran.
I have already told you, it is a worthless piece of garbage.
It is worth the toilet paper it is written on, sorry.
There is NO archaelogical or history to Islam beyond Muhammad.
All lies started with him & the lies continue with you & the rest who adhere to Islams mendacious Tenets
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
I quote the Quran to REFUTE!!! You should try it sometime!!!
Your beliefs are centred around a ritual of BLOOD and SACRIFICE...Two key elements of demon worshippers.
The founder of your religion, a frikkin bounty hunter, who admits to lying and who says in acts 23:6: I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee...
Matthew 23:27
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead..
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
GuruTruthSpeak, re: I quote the Quran to REFUTE!!!
Using the quran to refute is like using a gun using blanks to protect oneself from gun-toting criminals. Wont work.
Re: Acts 23:6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees,
Paul defends himself b4 the Jewish court, the Sannhedrin. Knowing he will not receive a fair hearing, he skillfully divides the group into their long-standing, bitterly-quarreling factions. See verses 7 & 8 for proof.
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
RE: Paul defends himself..
SO HE LIES? Is he a PHARISEE?
If so...Matt 23:27
Your argument is that Islam is SATANIC..Remember?
I quoted the Quran, OUR RULE BOOK WHICH SAYS OTHERWISE!!!
YOU HAVE BEEN REFUTED...Make that DESTROYED!!!
Dumb demonic DONKEY!!!
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
GuruTruthSpeak, re: YOU HAVE BEEN REFUTED... Make that DESTROYED!!!
You make quite an explosion for something not relevant.
Paul knew he was being railroaded by a bunch of liars, users, corrupt individuals who have been using Abrahams laws for their own greedy & nefarious purposes.
& Yes, Islam is Satanic b/c ONLY Islam & Satan allow & advocate LYING.
My dear deluded adversary, Islam is a topic of excellent information by which, wherever I look it is its own worst enemy.
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
RE: Islam pagan etc..
REALLY? Look how easy you are to refute donkey!!
Surah 53:19-23
Compare this with the female idols Allaat and Al-`Uzzah.
And Manaat, the third one.
Do you have sons, while He has these as daughters?
What a disgraceful distribution!
These are but names that you made up, you and your forefathers. GOD never authorized such a blasphemy. They follow conjecture, and personal desire, when the true guidance has come to them herein from their Lord.
YOU'RE PATHETIC!
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
Ahhh, my dear delude adversary ... have you been to Mecca?
Does it ever occur to you WHY most educated people world-wide doNOT want to insult muslims for fear of having their heads cut off? Why?
The stupidity of all muslims kissing & circling allah! Sure it is! Islam always ALWAYS say one thing & do something completely opposite. Muhammad carried over the traditions of the Ka'aba's previous predecessors, pagan worshippers! Allah is simply the Black Stone, the moon rock idol. You KISS IT, ehhh?
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
What is a PAGAN?
A polytheistic, deluded fool who has rejected the one true God for worthless puppets to seek comfort..
Also a polytheistic donkey who has rejected the One true God by ascribing to him a partners of different forms when he clearly said; THERE ARE NO GODS BEFORE ME..And..THOU SHALT NOT MAKE UNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE..
You been to church lately donkey breath? Check out the GRAVEN images on the stained glass!
Funny how your comments come back to bite you on the ASS eh?
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
Islam says one thing but actually mean something else.
Islam lies so much that the word HONOR is a joke to them. Instead they've associated this great word 4 death! Honor killings!
The allah they believe in is simply a moon rock. This moon rock is same Black Stone all muslims KISS & circle around 7x/day.
Doznt matter if they say it isnt, b/c IT IS!
Thiss a carried over tradition of previous predecessors of the Ka'aba B4 Muhammad took control. Muhammad continued their pagan rituals & customs
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
RE: Islam says one thing and means something else..
Yawwn..YOU'RE PATHETIC!
RE: Honour joke to Islam..
On the contrary...Sharia Law preserves 5 things..
Religion, Life, Lineage, Wealth AND...HONOUR!!!
YOU fail...BIG TIME!!
Moon God?? Refuted already..Surah 53:19-23
YOU ARE A SATANIC DIPSTICK!!
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
GuruTruthSpeak , re: Moon God?? Refuted already..Surah 53:19-23
Ur refuting something Islamic from an Islamic source? Are you 4 real? I certainly dont recognize the qurans history as any kind of authority! NO ONE SHOULD!
Quran is filled with true, false, & fairy tale doctrines/stories from various sources.
Not to mention it began w/Muhammad & LYING is one of its specialties. 1st muslim was Muhammad NOT any Jewish prophet.
Islam has NO archaeological historical evidence beyond 1,400 yrs ago
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
RE: I don't recognize Qurans history..
Sorry...In a debate you would be torn apart for PERSONAL opinions.
Do you have ANY proof of ANYTHING?
Go and drink blood you FREAK!
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
Re: Go and drink blood you FREAK!
Itamar Marcus (Palestinian Media Watch)
"Through out the middle ages, there was this libel that the Jews needed blood of
a Christian child to make matza. Now, of course, today the world know this is
totally libelous accusations no connections to truth at all."
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
Re: Go and drink blood you FREAK!
Khaled Abu Toameh (Palestinian journalist)
"When I see films like, 'Al-Shatat', broadcast during Ramadan, I see a recurring theme I don't see anything new, in fact, I see attacks against Jews, I see an
attempt to depict the Jews as bloodthirsty people as murderers as a people who
would sacrifice Christian children to drink their blood during their holiday."
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
This enough proof?
Hassan Nasrallah (Hizbollah Secretary General)(Al-Manar TV 2005)
"The most honorable death is by killing & the most honorable killing &
most glorious martyrdom, is when a man is killed for the sake of allah."
'Aed Al-Qami (Saudi Cleric) (IQRA TV Saudi Arabia 2004)
"Who can say even one word against this true Jihad against these colonialist
occupiers? Houses & young men must be sacrificed, throats must be slit &
skulls must be shattered. This is the path to victory."
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
jihad for peace. Allah is every single creations creator. I invite you to islam, You need to chill out why you quoting from these mad men who the majority of the muslims have already refuted already.Dude you miss the event already.peace to you and family.muslim in london
ryukenb2k 2 years ago
ryukenb2k,
Islam is NOT credible or authoritative.
It has NO archaeological history beyond Muhammad. 1st muslim? Muhammad. So, Islam STOLE all prophets, didnt they? The Al Tekayya LIE begins.
WHO IS JESUS' FATHER? Do YOU think He is 'allah'? Think so, ehhh?
Tell me then ...
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET PAST JESUS TO GET TO ALLAH (whom you think is God the Father)? Jesus is God.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
Lol you say tekayya and this the shia's hidden deception not us sunni's, also jesus(pbuh) has no father I think you are getting us mixed with the so christians.And that verse you quoted have been exposed by christians scholars as a historical addition. try harder mate. god bless you and family.
ryukenb2k 2 years ago
Al Tekayya is Islam, doesnt matter which faction believes it or NOT, still Islam.
Exposed or NOT, it is a VIABLE verse .. what is NOT viable are the countless verses Jesus said that is in the quran & NOT in the bible!
Islam has thus violated Rev 22:18-19
Islam is cursed for adding words Jesus DID NOT say half a millennium after the bible was written.
Islam is so silly ... someone wrote & said Jesus spoke immediately after birth ... yeah right! & Islam STILL doesnt believe Jesus is Divine & God!
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
The holy spirit isnt guiding you?why is that I wonder? Nowhere in the qur'an does it say we can lie,the devil is playing jedi mind tricks on you.Hmm. I will prove easily that beloved yeshua whom be peace is only a prophet and a messiah and certainly not God. I would like to have a private message dialogue with you. I will show you next week on your page god willing via private msg if you do not chicken out like most christians do, I will add you because im fair can you do the same?
ryukenb2k 2 years ago
Lying, to deny my God (Jesus) is NOT possible. 4 Islam tho, it is ok to to lie to protect urself or ur religion from harm. Here R ur following quranic verses to lie.
FROM Qur'an:
Sura (16:106) Qur'an (9:3) Qur'an (3:54) Sura (3:28) Sura (40:28) Sura (2:225)
Sura (66:2)
FROM HADITHS:
Bukhari (52:269) Bukhari (49:857) Bukhari (84:64-65) Bukhari (52:271)
Bible says simply Matt10:32-33
Anything coming from ur mouth is also coming from ur heart. Matt15:11, 17-19
Rev 21:8, Prov10:18
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
@jefeisdguard the APOSTATE PAUL OF TARSUS lied about everything. He was a persecutor of the christians and he later decided to subject them to his false philosophies and doctrines. HE even lied to them when he said jesus appeared to him on the way to demascus.
hen8167 1 year ago
@hen8167
Trinitarianism is NOT a false doctrine IF it is in the bible today. That is dumb.
If Jesus spoke about THEM, then it is true. Who cares about the Christian sects?
If they didn’t abide by the words of Jesus then they will be judged accordingly. As will you & me.
DO YOU BELIEVE IN JOHN 8:24?
This is the REAL Jesus NOT the FAKE CREATED JESUS FROM THE QURAN
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard its a known fact that the trinity doctrine is from man and not god. And the jesus in the quran is the real jesus ...he is the messiah the physical son of Mary not god and he is a prophet just like the bible also says. The christians were divided and could not agree on the nature of jesus some thought he was like god and some thought he was created by god and only a human being..thats when emperor constantine steped in to settle the difference because it was destabalizing his empir
hen8167 1 year ago
@hen8167
Re: what witnesess did he have?
Why are YOU saying this whilst on the other hand you state:
“Muhammad did nott need a witness ...what he revealed is very sufficient to muslims...which is the truth.”
Makes you not just a hypocrite but very gullible to have been conned like that.
The way YOU question the bible IS EXACTLY HOW YOU SHOULD QUESTION ISLAM!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@hen8167
Re: And the jesus in the quran is the real jesus
The quranic Jesus is FAKE! Created by EVIL minds. It is Satanic in nature.
Islam is the religion of LIES & deception, it just so happens that Satan is the “father of liars”! Satan posed as Gabriel (2 Cor 11:14) & put the idea of Islam in Muhammads head.
Constatine makes mistakes as all humans do. Which is why God protected His word.
Mark 13:31
Still cant prove Jesus spoke as a baby or called out to allah, ehhh?
Ask ur "shayks"
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard The Apostate Paul of Taursus saw satan on the way to dumascus and believed the evil that satan told him. What witnesses did he have ? two roman soldiers or two pharaseies that had the same fake philosophies as paul did..Constantine makes mistakes and so did YOUR "apostal paul" the hypocrite that even curses the law of moses. IF MOSES was alive he would have had paul stoned to death for what he was preaching.
hen8167 1 year ago
@hen8167
Constatine who? Paul witnesses were his companions. Too bad YOU don’t put forth as much effort trying to repudiate ur quran b/c it is loaded with LIES & deceptions.
If it is ur decision to begin a conversation besmirching Paul on the law of Moses, then you have failed to contextualize.
Lets stop right here. Bring proof Jesis spoke as a baby & called out to allah. No further conversation need take place
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard bring me forth one shred of proof that jesus performed one miracle and proof of a cruci-fiction(they dont even know where his grave site was) even though he had many followers and his apostals were still alive. You would think that with such an important event such a place would be protected..after all according to your twisted beliefs jesus is god the "SON" . They only speculate on the burial site or grave site
hen8167 1 year ago
@hen8167
Re: if the quran would’ve said he spoke in his mothers womb I’d believe it
Course U would! No PROOF necessary after all that indoctrination & propaganda, ehhh?
Proof Jesus performed miracles? Mark, Matthew, Luke & John. All began writing less than 20 yrs when Jesus went 2 heaven. Why would Jesus have a burial site when He prophesied He’d rise in 3 days?
WOULD U DIE 4 A LIE? 8 of the 12 didn’t either. After torture All witnessed they saw Jesus crucified & rose in 3 days.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguardWrote: Proof Jesus performed miracles? Mark, Matthew, Luke & John. All began writing less than 20 yrs when Jesus went 2 heaven. Why would Jesus have a burial site when He prophesied He’d rise in 3 days?<<<<loool this is no proof ..you are only quoting the bible...and you dont consider a place or tomb where he was alegedly buried significant? are you kidding me. hahahahahah you are laughable. Produce your proof and quit spewing false lies.
hen8167 1 year ago
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard Atleast the quran has a consistant message on the other hand the bible is NOT consistant with its message ....it has the Law of moses and then all of a sudden Paul the apostate comes to do away with the Law and says and teaches that the Law is a "curse" and also teaches that you are saved by faith alone and works are not needed. Are you kidding me ? Paul destroyed many with his false teachings. Instead of killing the believers physically he decided to do it spiritually.
hen8167 1 year ago
@hen8167 Paul even did away with the covnant of circumcision. AND THE DIETARY laws and the the who law.
hen8167 1 year ago
@hen8167
Quran is OLD News & followed very little of OT.
Muhammd broke all 10 Commandments, 4 example.
Islam doesn’t WANT to understand about the NEW Covenant & R still living under the OLD covenant. Jeremiah 31:31 prophesied about NEW Covenant w/Jesus.
Jesus IS OUR NEW WAY HOME(heaven)
Paul was given the gifts of the Holy Spirit & told what to say(Luke 12:12)
Paul & Jesus have always been on the same page. Islam doesn’t understand or WANTS TO comprehend b/c they(YOU) are in denial
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard In jeramiah's prophecy it also says that men will put their swords in plow shares and the lion will lay with the lamb .......as far as i'm concerned this has NOT happened and that god would write his word in their hearts and in their minds <<<<this has not happened. You need to quote the whole verse not parts of it. JERAMIAH is not prophecying about the new covnant he is really prophecying about a time of complete peace <<<which has not existed yet. Quite trying to deceive.
hen8167 1 year ago
@hen8167
Re: Jeremiah 31:31
You are reading other verses. Why not read the one where Jesus will forgive our sins?
Our iniquities? Verse 34!
Jeremiah 31:34 “for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Jesus is GOD in the Old Testament!
The time of complete peace will come when Jesus will come from the sky.
Islam THINKS Jesus will come to destroy the cross, pig eaters, empower Islam then die!
Funny, they have no proof of this YET R compelled to believe it!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard where does it say i, Jesus will forgive them their sins in those verses you quoted from jeramiah? or where does it sai i god the messiah will forgive their sins? why wont you quote exactly what the verse says ? i know why you wont. Because it does NOT mention jesus or the messiah in that verse of jeramiah..that's because the messiah was not born yet and jesus is only a prophet from god..but NOT god. No jesus is coming to destroy anti christ and his followers.
hen8167 1 year ago
@hen8167
Re: where does it say i, Jesus will forgive them their sins in those verses you quoted from jeramiah?
Jer 31:34
The OT prophesied Jesus, NOT the pedophile pirate like Muhammad. How could anyone in their right mind believe a pedophile w/libido of 30 men, rapes women, marries a child & daughter-in-law & beheads hundreds of young boys be a prophet of God? Only Jesus CAN FORGIVE MANS SINS
(Matthew 9:2 & Mark 2:5 & 7) (Psalms 103:2-3)
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard O.K. the old testament prophesied about jesus but that particular verse you quoted 31:34 jeramiah...<<<,=where does it say Jesus will forgive them their sins. YOU are a deceiver that takes the bible out of context to deceive people into believing your mumbo jumbo garbage,
hen8167 1 year ago
@hen8167
Re: where does it say Jesus will forgive them their sins.
Jeremiah 31:34 “… for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more”
ONLY Jesus can 4give mans sins.
(Matthew 9:2 & Mark 2:5 & 7) (Psalms 103:2-3)
The only “mumbo jumbo” deception going around here is YOU trying to shove your proofless Islam down our throats w/o a shred of proof!
Excoriate the bible & me all YOU want but WHERES THE PROOF FOR YOUR QURAN?
Qurans circular fallacy is the joke here
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard LOOOL that is from the OT and jesus wasnt around back then to say such a thing. WOW! is that the best u got?
amooballer 1 year ago
@amooballer
My best? To see my best would have to mean YOU must continue this dialogue. The first to frustrate the other or post expletives is the loser, ehhh?
Can U prove ur quran is established, authoritative, credible or trustworthy via PROOF of its contents from outside sources from quran?
Example? Prove Jesus spoke as a baby, called out to allah or when disciples called them “muslims” prove they were.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard if the quran would have said that he spoke in his mothers womb ...i would believe it. lol
hen8167 1 year ago
Deception, lying in Islam, AL TEKAYYA means to prevent
Like most religions, Islam in general, forbids lying. The Quran says, "Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies." Surah 40:28. In the Hadith, Mohammed was also quoted as saying, "Be honest because honesty leads to goodness, and goodness leads to Paradise. Beware of falsehood because it leads to immorality, and immorality leads to Hell."
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
Within Islam there R provisions lying is encouraged. Book "The spirit of Islam," by Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah written 2 promote Islam. Pg 247, Tabbarah states: "Lying is not always bad, 2B sure; there R times when telling a lie more profitable & better 4 general welfare & 4 settlement of conciliation among people, than telling truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (thru lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good."
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
BOOO more drivel, you quote from a man who is not a famous jurist of islamic history, I will help you, if I was captured by a dirty kaffir and he told me to eat pork and renounce islam or his men will murder my family some muslims would say they will do it, but im the fudamentalist andwould rather die then give in to a infidel scumbag
ryukenb2k 2 years ago
Mohammed often lied & instructed his followers to do same. Example of sanctioned lying is assassination of Kaab Ibn al-Ashrf, a member of the Banu al-Nudair Jewish tribe. Muslim man, Ibn Muslima, volunteered 2 kill him on condition Mohammed would allow him 2 lie. W/Mohammed's consent, Ibn Muslima, went 2 Kaab told him fabricated stories(that reflected discontent about Mohammed's leadership) gained Kaab's trust lured him away from his house 1 night & murdered him under the cover of darkness.
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
Lol that is been proven as a lie, please get hiyatus sahaba its about every action of muhammad(saw) and his companions. and the seal of the nectar about his childhood and life. They killed him in his house not outside, oh boy you got some serious studying to do. I will keep on refuting you easily.try again
ryukenb2k 2 years ago
Example of lying? Killing Shaaban Ibn Khalid al-Hazly. Rumored Shaaban gathering an army 2 wage war on Mohammed. Mohammed retaliated & ordered Abdullah Ibn Anis 2 kill Shaaban. Would-be killer asked prophet's permission 2 lie. Mohammed agreed. Lie by stating he was a member of the Khazaa clan. Shaaban invited Abdullah 2 come inside his tent 2 rest. Abdullah sat there until he sensed everyone was asleep. Abdullah severed Shaaban's head & carried it to Mohammed as a trophy.
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
Lol you again aint you tired yet with making a complete mess of yourself? That kaffir dog murdered men/woman/children and even his clan ate muslims hearts. you have no knowledge regarding islamic history, you flip open books and look to discredit islam and look rather silly trying to do so, I suggest you get a book by sheikh albani and ibn taimiyyah they should give you ammo to try and hammer islam lol, the source you quoted is weak. but the killing is true