Yes! I have to just shout with you Factory, "I have no desire to fucking help out sorry I am fighting aginst ya if that make me an asshole thats what happens tough."
Wow...ok, I can appreciate that you make it clear that you respect equal rights,and that THAT IS why you don't like "feminism," because it's unfair to men,and the whole parental rights thing, I think I get it. But, you obviously have some personal issues with women. Someone, who just happened to be a woman, hurt you in some serious way. I'm sorry, truly. But, it wasn't because they're a woman. It's because THEY as a person are cruel,not the gender.
There's one thing that stops feminists from trying to destroy men wholesale: they need us to do all the hard jobs, and they need us to do most of the work in general. So they are creating a legal system where women can enslave men through alimony and child support. They have succeeded remarkably.
Feminism isn't 'give me everything because I am a women' it is stop 'treating us differently because I am a women'
Like being paid less for doing the same job or not being hired just because she is 26, married and being a women, she obviously wants babies and her body clock will be ticking at this age. Not being seen as good at typical male jobs like mechanics or sports unless it's like netball. Yes it should be called equalists but that's not as catchy eh?
Read my words very carefully. A woman with the same qualifications, who works the same position for the same number of hours as her male collegue will be paid EXACTLY the same as him. There is no legal wiggle room for discriminating against women workers in this fashion. If an employer does discriminate towards female staff in this way than he/she is breaking the law and that woman is within grounds to seek legal justification. The "wage gap" is a myth.
Women aren't seen as being good at typically male jobs like mechanics or firefighting etc, because, quite frankly, they aren't. Different hardwiring, different physiology between the genders means that there will always be jobs that men do better than women and vice versa. Until more women start building skyscrapers, laying down roads, or risking their lives in coal mines with the same efficiency as men that's something you'll just have to accept.
@factory2590, congrats on creating a space where men w/tiny shriveled penises around the world can congregate to whine and cry about how insecure strong women make you and blame them for all the problems in your life triggered by your own ineffectiveness!!! ((but real men can handle equality and don't need to oppress women to make themselves feel powerful))
@factory2590 yeah, shaming language, like what you dedicate your free time to in all of these videos (hypocrisy much?). "real men" treat me like their equal. they don't try to preserve privilege by pushing me into a box where i'm deprived of my rights. i don't hate men... only misogynists. it's a pity you conflate the two.
@factory2590 1. I don't conflate men with misogyny. Judging from my social circle, I prefer the company of men. They, however, support women's rights, have high levels of education, and are "enlightened."
Oh wow, a chauvinist using Youtube to spread misogyny. How original. It's shameful that you're perfectly content to continue exploiting women as long as it provides you male privilege. You must be single.
@factory2590 Not really. You'd need a heart to feel ashamed of all the groups "Christian" white heterosexual men have marginalized for centuries. But I'm not looking for a fight--it'd be too easy. You're an amateur. Pretending "feminazis" represent the entire movement is like atheists pretending psychos like Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell represent all Christians. You must be an anti-Semite too to minimize what happened to the Jewish people by comparing their oppressors to feminists.
@dralockhart NAFALT arguments...gee, where have I seen those before?
Of course, people are requested to pay no attention to the fact that there's no functional difference between them and the most irate of Gender Feminists when it comes to improving men's situation....but they'll gladly take the priveleges and unfair advantage while it's here....
None of you can point to one male positive thing feminism (of any flavour) has done. Come back when you can.
Well said, opposing this demonic movement is the only way forward towards an equal society, screw there "we're all about equality only when we benefit from it and the men are left to fend for themselves" lying bullshit claims
Anna Burke 56 years of age inflicted with a hammer while her husband was asleep the most evil attack ever on a man. The judge said husband was responible for litany of abuse. The woman murders her husband and walks away scot free. She got a 5 year suspended sentence. Chilivary is alive and well in Ireland. Factory Irish women can murder their husband or boyfriend and face no concequences.
@brendubab What men all around the Western world need to do... and what many women have been saying to us for years...
"Grow a pair".
The main idea being that when other men see that the world doesn't come crashing down around you for denouncing the crap (as much, anymore), it's more and more OK to say these things.
It's called 'social standards', and that's why Feminists have worked so hard to silence ANY criticism...
Was that British chick Germaine Greer? :-P (She's originally Australian but moved to Britain). Just so people know, the Men's Movement strives to address areas where men are behind, although sadly they're not as powerful as the feminists, so any problem men have tends to be ignored and everyone wants to pretend that only women deserve help
Ive already told you my mother abused me, why then do you say i dont think women can do things? Oh right, because your trying to get under my skin, again debating skills of a 5 year old
Unfortunately for your viewpoint, though, the evidence is mounting to undeniable status that this is indeed so.
Even the "bulletproof" argument that the difference in grades is really a class issue, not a gender issue, is routinely exposed for the bullshit it is.
I don't know...why DID boys education have to suffer in order to address the "girl crisis"?
Because that's what happened.
And saying the equivalent to "Why can't we just get along?" doesn't make boys any better educated, or engaged in their education (which, by the way, is the fault of the Educator, not the other way around).
Although, if you're actually disputing that boys are underserved, well, even the government admits its a problem....so...
I asked you for a link to your blog you wanted me to read so much, and you cant even do that. Instead go on a clearly misguided rant which in no way puts forth an arguement, after making some dumb comment that i took some womens studies class and thats why im debating you, when i clearly stated this is first hand accounts from myself and other people, people with a hell of a lot bigger problems than you apparently. Keep writin so i can keep laughin, and do direct me to your blog
Theres no changing your stubborn mind nor do i care. But theres no need for obviously wrong assumptions on me to try and back up your point, its a horribly immature debate tactic. Ive said over and over men and women do bad things to eachother, its you whos one sided. you have no experience dealing with abuse, abuse victims or the psychology behind it. Do you have solutions for your problems or do you just want to complain behind unjustified reasoning?
Wrong again. I was the victim of several years worth of abuse, and people just like you all told me that I was really the one to blame, and refused any help to me, because I was OBVIOUSLY an abuser "deep down".
And OF COURSE I'm one-sided...I am merely the reflection of a feminist...the whole MRM is a response to feminist misdeeds....I'm surprised you haven't caught on to that yet.
OK, actually, no I'm not.
You're so full of your own opinion, there room for little else it seems.
I said dealing with abuse, not being the victim, that is beneficial in an arguement though. I never said it was your fault so dont even try that. Im saying you have no experience dealing with victims of abuse, you havent seen hundreds and hundreds of different people, you only know about yourself. Like ive said before every guy who is on the internet making this crap has had a relationship problem,half the time i end up counselling them and they go back on the dumb things they said
All im saying is women arent to blame for the worlds problems, and theres a lot worse things going on than a person getting slapped a few times in a relationship. Your last sentence was highly hypocritical, "of course im one sided" then tell me im full of my own opinion. Im equalling it out, you said it best yourself, youre one-sided, you dont acknowledge any of the overwhelming abuse towards women, how can i take you seriously when you clearly dont know what youre talking about?
I know what I'm talking about. You're the one talking out of his ass trying to justify anything he can to keep the feminist status qo. You are a True Believer(tm) and there's not much that can be done for you.
You don't care what happens to men, as long as women are "better" or are "more victimized".
You cannot be reasoned with, and I have no intention of trying. You refute nothing, but you spew the same tired excuses all of you seem to think passes for argument.
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Wow do go back over our posts and then see how funny that last part is. YOU havent refuted anything, I HAVE actually. YOU spew the same thing (that apparently i care more about women than men just for saying women arent to blame for all the problems in the world) Do you realize how insane you sound?
Add to that your lack of credibility and refusal to answer certain things and you have ladies and gentlemen, a horrible debater.
Not "Male run society"...it's "Male power"..period.
And yes, I as a man take issue with many of the unproven assumptions in Patriarchy Theory(tm), beginning with the presumption that "Men have oppressed women for thousands of years".
Yup. Strange as it may sound NONE of you feminists can even show this sort of thing happened, let alone that men were responsible, unless you totally ignore the male experience of the same time.
A couple hundred years ago? Women only got the vote 89 years ago. Considering democracy was invented before Christ, I'd say that's not too long.
But I can see you're not a fan of history.
I think early feminists were busy trying to secure the right to vote, own property, enrole in college, and so on. So sorry they didn't get around to empowering men.
NOW, however, feminism is about breaking down the gender stereotypes that hurt men, and more men are joining feminism.
Oh yeah? Tell me this then, "student of history"....how many electoral cycles passed in the US between Universal Suffrage, and when non-landowning men got the vote...?
You think we don't know how lame your "Women didn't get the vote" buillshit really is???
And how many male teachers you got there? Boys and girls doing the same in school too by the way? Government offices and Hospitals showing a nice equal balance of men and women in your area??
Because in mine all these issues exist, and STILL "Equal Opportunity Employer" means "White Males Need Not Apply"...
As for Feminism looking after men...I'll have to pass. I think men themselves are better suited to the task.
There are A TON of male teachers, i myself had more than quite a few. And no offices and hospitals arent equal. Its a well known fact women arent taken as seriously at hospitals, and i dont know how many times ive known women who had their ass grabbed and smacked at the office. Your menial examples that happen to both sexes compare not to the amount of women gang raped, stalked, harrassed just for being women. Ive seen groups of men go out to rape girls, its a f*cked up world
I was talking about the fact that over 75% of teachers are female, that over 80% of health care workers are female, and that boys of all ages and income groups are being underserved by the education system.
You, being a feminist, turn the discussion to RAPE!!! as fucking usual.
If that`s the kind of lame-ass arguments you have, I`m done with you.
Society has always encouraged men to be doctors and women to be nurses. Thats detrimental to women so i dont know what your complaining about. And do you really think men arent interested in being nurses because women are making fun of them? no men are making fun of them, women dont seem to care.
And you do know that long ago men stated that only women can be teachers? its because of feminism that men feel more comfortable being teachers, its not a womans job,and no jobs should depend on gender
I`m serious. Keep coming at me with these crappy wishful thinking arguments and I`m gonna ban you.
If you can`t come up with anything better than that, then you`re wasting my time. What Feminists would do if it was female disadvantage is NOT what they do when it`s women on top. Any argument that this is somehow natural means you get to shut the hell up about MRA`s looking after men`s interests. If the imbalances are unjust, then stop fucking defending them.
Rape was one example i had, i have many more if you want to hear them. Ive heard horror stories from every gender, every orientation, every class. You getting defensive and complaining that rape comes up clearly shows you have some agenda to prove, are you suggesting we ignore and not do anything about rape because you dont feel like discussing it? It affects both men and women and Im pretty sure its a bit more important than there being more female teachers..
Actually, no, it`s not more important. In fact, it PALES in importance when it contrasts with the massive failure of education to serve boys properly.
As for the rape thing...I`d LOVE for you to point me at the feminist who shows it as anything other than ànother`reason to hate and fear men. Except, that topic is closed here, and one more post about it will get you banned. Consider this fair warning.
Like i said you picked ONE example out of what i gave, and even then you still offer no solution. And since your so concerned about education you do know that out of everyone denied education, something like 90% is girls. And its your OPINION that boys arent "being served" properly in schools. Ive seen differently, girls not allowed to go to the bathroom, excluded from some classes and sports teams. Who cares if most teachers are women, do you also care about the race of them too?
Boring, repetitive, old fucking arguments, coupled with determined avoidance of my actual point....fuck I`m tired of second year women`s studies students...
Go read my blog article I wrote for people like you, demonstrate that you have actually read it, THEN I may acknowledge you.
I havent taken women studies im telling you my opinions based off of my experience with abuse situations, its not my problem you wont listen. And i dont know where your blog is, if you want me to read it give me a link or something
And there isnt any need to bash, this is nothing but a friendly debate. What do you have to say about the other examples i mentioned since you refuse to talk about certain things?
I`m telling you that I`ve been through these arguments literally thousands of times, and True Believers like you never actually find out what we`re about, they just try to bleat louder, then try to derail conversations, then insist they`re sympathetic -that`s why they are there...
When in fact all it does is eat up the MRA`s energy, and the patience of everyone.
Educate yourself, or not. Your choice, but until then I`m done with you.
Its you who cant present your arguement. So far youve barely answered to anything because YOUVE GOT NOTHING. The lamest thing people can do is go after the poster as soon as they run out of excuses. pathetic but unfortunately common. I politely asked and challenged a few of your points, to which you got blindsided and therefore receded back into your cave. Ive told you not only my experiences but those of others and worldwide knowledge, to which you offered no greater experience
Why would feminists do anything specifically for men?
Do you also object to the African-American civil rights movements because it never did anything specifically for whites? Was that movement not about equality?
Because they "sell" themselves as EXPERTS on GENDER EQUALITY...which necessitates at least a marginal awareness of the experiences and needs of BOTH sexes.
The patently obvious neglect of one half of those attributes shows feminism as a womens lobby group, which means there is not only possibility of, but a genuine need for men like me...sticking up for men,.
And women need self-condemning men like you to feel better about their shitty behaviour...so I guess we both have a role...
Come on, the restaurant next door says its food is the best in the city. But their food sucks, but they still do sell and take away business from other restaurants. Is that unforgivable?
When feminists say they fight for true gender equality do you actually believe them? They use that to sell themselves, and that's fair. Like I said before, what kind of gender equality organization calls themselves feminists? How can you believe that? It's a women's movement!
"There is not only possibility of, but a genuine need for men like me...sticking up for men."
I don't disagree, but your focus on smearing feminism is seriously misguided.
I wish that feminists had the political power that you ascribe to us; believe me, I do. However, we don't. If we did, don't you think we could have at LEAST got the Equal Rights Amendment passed by now?
I only watched 3:45 and onward b/c I saw your comment. It's true that men today shouldn't have to pay for what they did in history. But these history are true, they're not made up, it's happening even today in less developed places.
The reason that we should know that is the same reason that we need to learn every other piece of history. We need to learn from it, and prevent it. I know that it might be used against men right now, and that's wrong. But we should still care.
Thank you. I believe the Term Feminazi is justified. It reminds me of a blog somewhere on my site, "Feminism promotes themes similar to Nazi Doctrine". And, I will tell you, I've read several thousand women's books during the course of my lifetime. and, that's why I compare Feminism to Nazi doctrine.
Just wanted to say, while I don't agree with Factory on everything, I am slowly coming around to his side of things. I don't disagree with you totally, factory.
and...just because I noticed.... too bad you seem kinda defensive towards women because you are kinda hot.
You just seem angry and lack a sense of humor...traits of many "feminazi's". But for the record I don't buy into MANY feminists beliefs. I feel like men get the short end of the stick in family court, but I don't believe there is some mass conspiracy against men by "feminazi's".
I don't think all men are evil, but NOR are all women or even most.
But this does not translate into a hatred of women, nor fear, nor discomfort around even the most beautiful of them.
It translates into fear of the laws in place because of feminist pressure (done in the name of "women's rights"), rampant Misandry in every facet of society (again, a direct product of feminist initiatives) that encourage shitty behaviour in women, etc.
Maybe because I live in the South, I don't see it as much. I certainly do know women who act like men owe them (my sister is one). But even tho I disagree with much of what you have said, feminists DO NOT like me because of my career, and because I oppose much of their belief system as well.
I believe this battle over sex issues (male vs female issues, not intercourse lol) harms children.....
Let's put it this way....everything seems to be done "for the children" these days...which usually means "for the children's mothers" way more often than not.
I am in this "for the men". In other words, I don't give a shit who else this is hurting, it's hurting men and that is enough reason right there to do something.
Nearly no one agrees with that...but they fuckin well SHOULD.
It's time we focused on men's needs to the same extent we have on women's needs.
"I am in this "for the men". In other words, I don't give a shit who else this is hurting."
I think that's very similar to the actions of a lot of feminists you hate. As long as women is benefiting, it doesn't matter who else hurts, including men?
People have very similar ways of dealing with things, you and some feminists might have similar motivations, and what you're trying to do is actually quite similar. They just continued pushing after they succeeded where you did.
it's useful to put your hate on one thing, but think about it in the most unbiased and broadest terms. How can any one group make such a difference without other's contribution? It's impossible that feminism alone caused all this, or else they have some gods/goddesses (I'm not religious, don't flame me for the god comment) working in there.
I still think your efforts are best focused solving practical problems, rather than attacking things.
I'm not attacking WOMEN, you dunderhead (Feminists attack men and maleness), I'm attacking an evil political ideology. I really DO view Feminists as being VERY similar to NAZI's.
There are no good NAZI's? Same can be said for Feminists.
Is it the people I hate? Nope, just the belief system. Although I have to admit the sheer refusal of nearly every single feminist to see men's points makes me think..you know?
YOU teach hatred. I identify the opponent, and outline their hypocrisy.
PoetryEater, u do realize how much u had to have been coaxed just to gradually appear ever so miserably egalitarian in your sense of reasoning do u? :) and as usual, u refuse to think about how many spoilt (but don't know they're spoilt) women out there who are like u.
I say, in the midst of your tantrums, when a guy takes charge and kisses u, u will be as resistant yet euphoric like a baby. i'd rather u eat the poetry for us. I doubt it'll be good though. *trying to keep straight face*
Abortion, adoption, abandonment are all forms of fuffering that can easily be SPARED if we are having sex responsibly. I've been doing it 12 years and never had to have an abortion. It is an active, responsible choice to plan parenthood, women AND men CAN do this.
What would you rather: be father of an aborted foetus or not be father till you choose to be one?
Its an easy choice for me, and why i hail contraception and you all should too.
Which is pretty much what I've been saying, except I contend that you have Zero right to tell me what is "acceptable" or not for an MRA to advocate or say.
Because women in general have pissed away their chance to prove they actually care about men.
You're coming at this from the wrong direction, frankly.
You still think we have an interest in "recruiting" women and Feminists.
I personally don't. Just for the record.
There has been plenty of overtures to play nice, and when MRA's weren't listened to at all, Feminists laughed at us and told us we would never get anywhere.
Now I ask you...why should I give a fuck WHAT those people want.?
It is one thing to support the MRM, and contribute ideas and even argue points counter to the main "body" of the MRM (of course, defending those positions falls on you then too).
It is quite another to tell MRA's that, while you support the MRM, this list of conditions must be met...or the support goes.
Get it?
That's called manipulation at best, extortion at worst.
No, she is taking a problem that affects a vanishingly small number of women, redefining it until it encompasses many more, then creating hysteria in order to justify draconian laws and practices.
THAT is what "she" is doing.
And "she" is motivated by anti-male sentiment, via Patriarchy Theory, to do so.
Whether or not "she" is aware of this is irrelevant.
It may be a fractionally small number in comparrisson with incest or honor killing, but none-the-less it is a subject worthy of reportage & critical engagement, just like these other subjects.
Patriarchy seldom offered anything of real value to women & feminism is the daughter of patriarchy. Patriarchal theory is not about dismantling the value that we place on fathers, or men. It concerns identifying how notions of male supremacy opperate in ways that lead to the oppression of women.
If there were any perspective allowed in the "discussion" other than the feminist one, then sure, I can see that. As it stands, it's discussion WITHIN Feminist circles only...and that dog don't hunt I'm afraid.
And that last line of yours is pretty telling, wouldn't you say?
Rewritten:
It concerns how to better women's position by removing any cultural supports for men, while justifying increased "protection" of women's interests.
Incidentally, incest is a two way street. Women commit it too, and quite possibly MORE than men.
And it's strange that honor-killing is brought up as a Great Male Evil in one breath of a Feminist, and Anti-USA/Pro-Palistinian rhetoric will spill out the next.
"Incidentally, incest is a two way street. Women commit it too, and quite possibly MORE than men."
I'd be interested to see the factual statistics that you build that statement upon. Also I recomend reading Mother/Daughter Incest: Making Sense of the Unthinkable by Lee Fitzroy which examines feminist approaches to the subject creating paradox with the occurence of mother/daughter incest. There is a paradox in feminist writing on this subject & all too often 'women as perpetrator' neglected.
Thats a really twisted re-writing of what I wrote and couldn't be further from what I mean. This is a prime example of the way anti-feminist discussion contrives meanings which simply are not there.
IN that case I urge YOU to be clear about what YOU mean, rather than misconstrue what I say to show what feminists do.
Better still - find an example.
Inverting my words is not an adequate model for showing your audience how feminism is so damaging to society. People are not just going to take your word for it unless, like sheep, they have a closed mind.
But here I go again, telling yo what to do - my baaad :(
I merely say what others are thinking, but can't say themselves. I give voice to a feeling most men think they alone have. I know this from experience.
I'm not trying to convince Feminists or Government of anything. I've given up on that particular windmill.
Nowadays, I'll settle for letting men know it's OK to feel the way they do, and to legitimize their analysis of their situation.
Which is a damn sight more than Feminists can say...
The next thing you need to realize then, is that as a major obstacle to the fulfillment of men's equality, the destruction of Feminism in it's current form is ESSENTIAL to the recognizing of men as equal contributors and members of society, deserving of the same rights and freedoms as women.
I have shown numerous examples of these inequalities, and the best Feminist response could be described as "oh yeah, well Women...(blah blah blah).
I'm quite disappointed by the seeming lack of engagement on the behalf of feminist bloggers on the topic of mens rights & issues. However, if you search it out, there are some contemporary feminist writers whose texts address mens issues as the very core of their subject matter, & even debunk much of what feminism presently upholds. This is a relatively new direction for feminism but its going to be huge once anti-feminism & PC-ism is no longer an issue to (mainstream) feminists.
So....we should "get out of the way" and allow those Feminists who address these issues (and how many of THOSE are aiming to kill off Masculinity I wonder?) to do so?
Are you serious?
Tell you what...get all the Feminists out of the way, and I'll redefine what it means to be female, and decide which rights women deserve...
Women kinda had all that already & thus the decline of patriarchy through integration of women into society & powerful positions.
However, the men obviously have to define masculinity for themselves & to an extent that involves deconstructing some female stereotypes that have negative influence on the lives of men. Perhaps the evil mother who keeps her children from their father or the feme fatale who is after your sperm, out to skim you for every penny you have would be the first choices.
Rather than trying to pick out the "bad ones" preemptively, I suggest that having a social/legal system that allows, or even encourages, this type of shitty behaviour.
We need to take the legs out from anyone who espouses these views.
And that means Feminists, first and foremost. In fact, if Feminism was denounced, I contend many of the major problems we face as men would disappear.
Boys would be given better understanding, rather than blame for the state of their education. Men would enjoy a massive decrease in the level of male-bashing in society. Women might even finally admit that sometimes life is better for them than for men...
The sentencing disparity would no longer be vociferously defended (and feminist ministers would stop trying to abolish prison for women).
The blame for men's poor social standing would no longer be thrust upon men themselves either.
We could ensure men benefit from the same programs, and taxpayer funded public entities, in equal proportion.
We could eradicate the hateful VAWA, and enact legislation that includes ALL victims, not just women. We could demolish the hegemonic hold they have on the DV industry, and not only de-normalize female upon male violence, but provide services to male victims in equal measure.
In short, no Feminism means equality for men, finally.
You may not think so, but many of us think Feminism has much to answer for.
I truly, honestly do think history will be a VERY unkind judge to Feminism, and this time will be looked upon with much the same regard as we currently look at, say, blackface actors, now.
ALL of the facts support massive reforms in the way men are treated and regarded in society, and that Feminism is aligned in opposition to most, if not all, of these reforms.
What the fuck are you talking about? Anti-corporatism has Zero place in this discussion.
Feminist policy, jurisprudence, "sensitivity training", and social memes have permeated our society to the point where it must be eradicated to have any chance of repair to society.
It is a blight, and evil influence. Your leftist shifting of "blame" from social engineers who have repeatedly stated the destruction of society was their goal (feminist), to profit motive, is shameful and simplistic.
That list really only pertains to men that actually spend money on women, but I'm sure it's relevant. Add to that things like entitled to special treatment, entitled to automatic authority, entitled to switch ideologies depending on situation, etc.
And given the Misandric basis of Feminism itself, where do you get off lecturing ANYONE on sexist behaviour, and "combatting misogyny"? How much Misandry did YOU fight today?
Actually, yes, in many if not most cases, I do indeed think women got where they are because of special considerations because they're female.
Never heard of Affirmative Action? Title IX?
As to the Misandric bias of Feminism, it is indeed my point that Feminist=Misandrist...by word and deed. Patriarchy Theory is formalized and disguised Misandry, nothing more.
"Not my brand of Feminism" arguments don't work here, by the way...
First, I'm not personally attacking you, just your views. Second, you are the one self-identifying as part of a hate-group, and I afford you more courtesy than I would, say, a member of an Islamic Supremacist group (which is, to me, functionally equivalent).
You might want to give some thought to the reputation Feminism "enjoys" among the general public, and the idea that maybe all those people really DO have brains of their own...
You keep maintaining that my perspective is wrong, yours is right. What you haven't done is explain, or justify, the myriad ways in which men are held to different (read: higher) standards than women in these areas.
Any good Feminism has done is long since accomplished. I used to be one, I know it's done some good.
Now, though, it is twisted and evil. And yes, I very much equate Feminism with NAZIism. Plenty of similarities...
That's where I think you're wrong. Eliminating Feminism and PC think will essentially eliminate nearly all of the issues men face, since there won't be someone there saying we shouldn't have it....at least, that entity would be unable to dictate...debate would replace dictation.
Feminism is to blame. I will not help you or anyone else mitigate your Feminist guilt.
Thankfully, Feminist is ALREADY an insult to most women. A reputation EARNED through the decades.
You flip the whole thing around. It is the Feminazis who view Men as the Jews. It is men who are demonized. it is men who have unjust laws enacted against them. It is men who have propaganda ("awareness") campaigns subtly directed at demonizing them.
Not women.
Men.
I don't view Feminism as degenerate. I view Feminism as a potential force that might end up roasting men in ovens. And YES, I really do think there are PLENTY of Feminists that would be fine with that.
I think you might be shocked at the scope and scale in which men have been systematically disenfranchised then. Because yes, absolutely Feminist ideology, persons, and groups are indeed nearly 100% responsible for the plight men are in right now.
I do blame feminists, and frankly Women in general, for letting things get this way either through intent or ignorance.
There is almost no way you can convince me women have been anything other than selfish as hell for the last 3 decades...
And as for "bashing Feminists and women"...well, they (and likely You) have had no compunction bashing men for DECADES. So, I really don't give a shit if it hurts your feelings, and I don't care if it "puts women off" from support.
Women deserve it (collectively) because you EARNED the disdain and contempt. And Feminists lobbied (actively or passively by not arguing against) for all sorts of male-hating legislation and programs.
Sins of the father don't apply ANYWHERE...but tell that to a Feminist (hint, it's the basis of Patriarchy Theory). Feminists cannot stand up for decades and "justify" the crap they've done in the name of "historical oppression" and then have it's members say "Sins of the Father" type shit.
You self identify as Feminist, this type of thinking is CENTRAL to being a feminist, and no amount of complaining will get that tar off you.
So Feminism is about gaining control and power through the use of your sex and sexuality? Interesting admission, and not a concept I am unfamiliar with.
As to your contention that that is what Feminism is about...well, Sarah Palin wasn't exactly a Feminist icon, but she walks the talk better than even Gloria Steinham does.
Feminism isn't about that at all. You might think the world has it all wrong...but I can surely guarantee you that you are the one with a misguided view.
The world didn't "forget" about men and boys. The world was told...repeatedly...that they were assholes for caring about men and boys when there were Women and Girls to think about!
We weren't forgotten, we were deliberately marginalized. And Patriarchy Theory was the justification.
You know it's true. You just don't want to admit it.
Because then Men would be right to hate Feminists...and that just won't do, now will it?
Nope. Not only that anyway. Until we break the hegemony Feminism has, the almost Theocratic rule of PC think, then men will get nothing but token support....as has again been evidenced quite regularly by Feminists.
You yourself and others here have said men's issues need attention...none of you actually do it, or say "hey, we can give up this funding to help men"...but Do nothing.
So yes, Feminism must be "deconstructed" in order to rebuild society.
Well Gee, with 170million women in the US, theere just might be a Feminist who really isn't "like that", I mean, NO ONE ever says they're "not like that"...especially not Feminists.
Your attitude is betrayed by your wording and focus.
Same sort of thing you are using to judge MY opinions by the way.
So who's invalid? You? Me? Both?
Sorry, not playing that game. This isn't about you, or your relationships...this is about men and their civil rights...
Patriarchy Theory is just as bad as the SCUM manifesto...worse, since it couches it's sexism in Academic language and tries to pass itself off as a real Theory.
The Feminists in charge of fixing the education system for boys here are plenty fine with it, since they blame the boy's socialization, rather than the educational system, for their own poor performance. Then say it's OK because of the "wage gap".
Feminists talk about male circumcision as an issue? Really?
The more you look at Feminism, the more "sickening double standards" you'll see.
For a clear view, remove ANY "justification" from laws and policies and social norms that favour women / disfavour men. you'll find nearly ALL of the biggest problems men have are not merely part of our collective society, but have been deliberately placed or encouraged to be there...by Feminists.
Yes! I have to just shout with you Factory, "I have no desire to fucking help out sorry I am fighting aginst ya if that make me an asshole thats what happens tough."
I say YES!
mraNewfoundland 2 months ago in playlist Anti feminism
Isn't this something you like to talk about? It seems to be.
Dani8owie 3 months ago
@Dani8owie Goodbye.
factory2590 3 months ago
Is it untrue? Are you without "personal issues with women?"
Dani8owie 3 months ago
@Dani8owie Honestly, fuck off...
factory2590 3 months ago
You see, I reach out with kind intentions,and you spit venom. Why?
Dani8owie 3 months ago
@Dani8owie For this "But, you obviously have some personal issues with women." you may now go fuck yourself.
Goodbye.
factory2590 3 months ago
Wow...ok, I can appreciate that you make it clear that you respect equal rights,and that THAT IS why you don't like "feminism," because it's unfair to men,and the whole parental rights thing, I think I get it. But, you obviously have some personal issues with women. Someone, who just happened to be a woman, hurt you in some serious way. I'm sorry, truly. But, it wasn't because they're a woman. It's because THEY as a person are cruel,not the gender.
Dani8owie 3 months ago
@Dani8owie Get over yourself, Dr Freud.
factory2590 3 months ago
There's one thing that stops feminists from trying to destroy men wholesale: they need us to do all the hard jobs, and they need us to do most of the work in general. So they are creating a legal system where women can enslave men through alimony and child support. They have succeeded remarkably.
KhagarBalugrak 5 months ago
There are a couple things even more destructive than feminism: capitalism and nihilism. But feminism does rank third.
KhagarBalugrak 7 months ago
Feminism isn't 'give me everything because I am a women' it is stop 'treating us differently because I am a women'
Like being paid less for doing the same job or not being hired just because she is 26, married and being a women, she obviously wants babies and her body clock will be ticking at this age. Not being seen as good at typical male jobs like mechanics or sports unless it's like netball. Yes it should be called equalists but that's not as catchy eh?
Charmedlassie18 1 year ago
@Charmedlassie18 the pay gap is a myth...
Kenshiroit 1 year ago
@Charmedlassie18
Read my words very carefully. A woman with the same qualifications, who works the same position for the same number of hours as her male collegue will be paid EXACTLY the same as him. There is no legal wiggle room for discriminating against women workers in this fashion. If an employer does discriminate towards female staff in this way than he/she is breaking the law and that woman is within grounds to seek legal justification. The "wage gap" is a myth.
Sambucca 1 year ago
@Charmedlassie18
Women aren't seen as being good at typically male jobs like mechanics or firefighting etc, because, quite frankly, they aren't. Different hardwiring, different physiology between the genders means that there will always be jobs that men do better than women and vice versa. Until more women start building skyscrapers, laying down roads, or risking their lives in coal mines with the same efficiency as men that's something you'll just have to accept.
Sambucca 1 year ago
I totally agree! Feminist has done nothing but brainwash women.In the home is where women belong!!
billthemisogynist 1 year ago
factory2590 i'm with you. I don't support abortion but women have no right to impose on men parenthood. That's wrong.
brendubab 1 year ago
@brendubab My ex didn't impose fatherhood on me.when she divorced me.I didn't have to pay any child support or her alimony.I was free and clear.
billthemisogynist 1 year ago
I agree with you all the way
shinheeyi 1 year ago
@factory2590, congrats on creating a space where men w/tiny shriveled penises around the world can congregate to whine and cry about how insecure strong women make you and blame them for all the problems in your life triggered by your own ineffectiveness!!! ((but real men can handle equality and don't need to oppress women to make themselves feel powerful))
xsuzheartx 1 year ago
@xsuzheartx Wow, a post consisting entirely of baseless shaming language, complete with not one but several small penis references!
Wow, sure are on a roll.
Of course 'real men' do what you want them to...that's what makes them 'real men' right?
Manhater.... (yawn)
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 yeah, shaming language, like what you dedicate your free time to in all of these videos (hypocrisy much?). "real men" treat me like their equal. they don't try to preserve privilege by pushing me into a box where i'm deprived of my rights. i don't hate men... only misogynists. it's a pity you conflate the two.
xsuzheartx 1 year ago
@xsuzheartx It isn't me that's mistakenly conflating men with misogynist.
That's all you baby, all you....
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 1. I don't conflate men with misogyny. Judging from my social circle, I prefer the company of men. They, however, support women's rights, have high levels of education, and are "enlightened."
2. "Baby?" Eww. Gross.
xsuzheartx 1 year ago
@xsuzheartx 1. Show me where I say or do anything resembling what you charge I do...
2. Aww, c'mon baby, don't be stuck up!
factory2590 1 year ago
Oh wow, a chauvinist using Youtube to spread misogyny. How original. It's shameful that you're perfectly content to continue exploiting women as long as it provides you male privilege. You must be single.
dralockhart 1 year ago
@dralockhart You must be a feminist who thinks shaming language will get you somewhere...
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 Not really. You'd need a heart to feel ashamed of all the groups "Christian" white heterosexual men have marginalized for centuries. But I'm not looking for a fight--it'd be too easy. You're an amateur. Pretending "feminazis" represent the entire movement is like atheists pretending psychos like Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell represent all Christians. You must be an anti-Semite too to minimize what happened to the Jewish people by comparing their oppressors to feminists.
dralockhart 1 year ago
@dralockhart NAFALT arguments...gee, where have I seen those before?
Of course, people are requested to pay no attention to the fact that there's no functional difference between them and the most irate of Gender Feminists when it comes to improving men's situation....but they'll gladly take the priveleges and unfair advantage while it's here....
None of you can point to one male positive thing feminism (of any flavour) has done. Come back when you can.
factory2590 1 year ago
You can't spell factory without FACT
Well said, opposing this demonic movement is the only way forward towards an equal society, screw there "we're all about equality only when we benefit from it and the men are left to fend for themselves" lying bullshit claims
LordXenocide 1 year ago
I like to distinguish my self from feminists too and am much less forgiving than some MRA's who think that feminism just needs a re-vamp.
The movement (feminism) has made its diabolical point and needs to be kept where it belongs: in the history books with the plague and slavery.
Dr9steen 1 year ago
factory2590
Anna Burke 56 years of age inflicted with a hammer while her husband was asleep the most evil attack ever on a man. The judge said husband was responible for litany of abuse. The woman murders her husband and walks away scot free. She got a 5 year suspended sentence. Chilivary is alive and well in Ireland. Factory Irish women can murder their husband or boyfriend and face no concequences.
brendubab 1 year ago
factory2590
I'm opposed to abortion plus feminists scare us Irish Catholics to death.
What do us Irish men do? Were very frightened and scared of women.
brendubab 1 year ago
@brendubab What men all around the Western world need to do... and what many women have been saying to us for years...
"Grow a pair".
The main idea being that when other men see that the world doesn't come crashing down around you for denouncing the crap (as much, anymore), it's more and more OK to say these things.
It's called 'social standards', and that's why Feminists have worked so hard to silence ANY criticism...
Speak up, and they'll lose...
factory2590 1 year ago
Thank you
Finally someone adresses the fact that men are blamed for the past and that it wasn't even our fault to begin with
It's like if someone stole a wallet and they blamed everyone on the street for being there and every who goes there thereafter
Feminists are out of fucking order
LordXenocide 1 year ago
Was that British chick Germaine Greer? :-P (She's originally Australian but moved to Britain). Just so people know, the Men's Movement strives to address areas where men are behind, although sadly they're not as powerful as the feminists, so any problem men have tends to be ignored and everyone wants to pretend that only women deserve help
ozlotto76 2 years ago 2
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u've lost misogynist, the age of the woman has began.
queenfeminist 2 years ago
The "age of the woman" began around the time you were born. Congratulation, it's always been about you and probably always will be.
acadiantunes 2 years ago
Nope. I think it's about to meet an abrupt end...
factory2590 2 years ago
I can't wait
acadiantunes 2 years ago 4
Good job, Factory.
fitzpatrick2005 2 years ago 2
Feminist are out for themselves. If they were for equality they would of named themselves equalists.
revemupman 2 years ago 7
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No point in trying to reason with an anti-feminist. It's like reasoning with a barnyard animal.
wauquelin 2 years ago
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Good day sir, theres no talking to you, even when i try to do it civilly and open mindedly.
clm131313 2 years ago
Whew...I was so scairt you was gonna say I debate like a 5 year old, but thank goodness you're leaving first...
Oh, wait.
Nevermind, you did after all.
Hey, you win! Now take your "superior debating skills" elsewhere if you don't mind.
factory2590 2 years ago
Ive already told you my mother abused me, why then do you say i dont think women can do things? Oh right, because your trying to get under my skin, again debating skills of a 5 year old
clm131313 2 years ago
When I was in school, I can only think of one book (Sarah Plain and Tall) that had a central female character.
All the other books we read in school were centered around a male main character/hero.
Is that because the boys would get bored if the book was about a girl and her life journey?
Hmmm...school is centered around girls you say?......
amosiren 2 years ago
Oops, thought of one more, The Scarlett Letter. Ok so TWO books, in 12 years.
amosiren 2 years ago
Yes, school is centred around girls I say.
You disagree, I understand.
Unfortunately for your viewpoint, though, the evidence is mounting to undeniable status that this is indeed so.
Even the "bulletproof" argument that the difference in grades is really a class issue, not a gender issue, is routinely exposed for the bullshit it is.
factory2590 2 years ago
Please don't tell me you believe white people are more discriminated against in this country.
This is really getting absurd.
And yes, women are doing extremely well in school and are going on to college at the highest rate ever.
But why does that automatically have to mean boys are doing poorly?
Why cant boys and girls BOTH being doing good at the same time?
amosiren 2 years ago
I don't know...why DID boys education have to suffer in order to address the "girl crisis"?
Because that's what happened.
And saying the equivalent to "Why can't we just get along?" doesn't make boys any better educated, or engaged in their education (which, by the way, is the fault of the Educator, not the other way around).
Although, if you're actually disputing that boys are underserved, well, even the government admits its a problem....so...
factory2590 2 years ago
contd-
I asked you for a link to your blog you wanted me to read so much, and you cant even do that. Instead go on a clearly misguided rant which in no way puts forth an arguement, after making some dumb comment that i took some womens studies class and thats why im debating you, when i clearly stated this is first hand accounts from myself and other people, people with a hell of a lot bigger problems than you apparently. Keep writin so i can keep laughin, and do direct me to your blog
clm131313 2 years ago
Can a feminist ever refrain from superioristic shaming language?
It's getting awful repetitive.
Yeah yeah, you're way more important and "front line" than me, and you know how things REALLY are....sure.
Except DV shelters are increasingly being exposed for the scams (at best), or abusive hellholes (at worst) that they really are.
See, you have a vested interest in the man=bad, woman=good mentality, so I expect it from you. But the caliber of your "argument" is hardly superior.
factory2590 2 years ago
Theres no changing your stubborn mind nor do i care. But theres no need for obviously wrong assumptions on me to try and back up your point, its a horribly immature debate tactic. Ive said over and over men and women do bad things to eachother, its you whos one sided. you have no experience dealing with abuse, abuse victims or the psychology behind it. Do you have solutions for your problems or do you just want to complain behind unjustified reasoning?
clm131313 2 years ago
Wrong again. I was the victim of several years worth of abuse, and people just like you all told me that I was really the one to blame, and refused any help to me, because I was OBVIOUSLY an abuser "deep down".
And OF COURSE I'm one-sided...I am merely the reflection of a feminist...the whole MRM is a response to feminist misdeeds....I'm surprised you haven't caught on to that yet.
OK, actually, no I'm not.
You're so full of your own opinion, there room for little else it seems.
factory2590 2 years ago
I said dealing with abuse, not being the victim, that is beneficial in an arguement though. I never said it was your fault so dont even try that. Im saying you have no experience dealing with victims of abuse, you havent seen hundreds and hundreds of different people, you only know about yourself. Like ive said before every guy who is on the internet making this crap has had a relationship problem,half the time i end up counselling them and they go back on the dumb things they said
clm131313 2 years ago
All im saying is women arent to blame for the worlds problems, and theres a lot worse things going on than a person getting slapped a few times in a relationship. Your last sentence was highly hypocritical, "of course im one sided" then tell me im full of my own opinion. Im equalling it out, you said it best yourself, youre one-sided, you dont acknowledge any of the overwhelming abuse towards women, how can i take you seriously when you clearly dont know what youre talking about?
clm131313 2 years ago
I know what I'm talking about. You're the one talking out of his ass trying to justify anything he can to keep the feminist status qo. You are a True Believer(tm) and there's not much that can be done for you.
You don't care what happens to men, as long as women are "better" or are "more victimized".
You cannot be reasoned with, and I have no intention of trying. You refute nothing, but you spew the same tired excuses all of you seem to think passes for argument.
Boring and repetitive.
factory2590 2 years ago
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Wow do go back over our posts and then see how funny that last part is. YOU havent refuted anything, I HAVE actually. YOU spew the same thing (that apparently i care more about women than men just for saying women arent to blame for all the problems in the world) Do you realize how insane you sound?
Add to that your lack of credibility and refusal to answer certain things and you have ladies and gentlemen, a horrible debater.
clm131313 2 years ago
Patriarchy isnt a "code" for a male run society thats the exact definition. Note the prefix "pa" as in paternity.
And for your other question i gave you some things feminists have done in the name of men on another video of yours
clm131313 2 years ago
Not "Male run society"...it's "Male power"..period.
And yes, I as a man take issue with many of the unproven assumptions in Patriarchy Theory(tm), beginning with the presumption that "Men have oppressed women for thousands of years".
Yup. Strange as it may sound NONE of you feminists can even show this sort of thing happened, let alone that men were responsible, unless you totally ignore the male experience of the same time.
Not. One. Of. You.
In over a decade of asking the question....
factory2590 2 years ago
A couple hundred years ago? Women only got the vote 89 years ago. Considering democracy was invented before Christ, I'd say that's not too long.
But I can see you're not a fan of history.
I think early feminists were busy trying to secure the right to vote, own property, enrole in college, and so on. So sorry they didn't get around to empowering men.
NOW, however, feminism is about breaking down the gender stereotypes that hurt men, and more men are joining feminism.
amosiren 2 years ago
Oh yeah? Tell me this then, "student of history"....how many electoral cycles passed in the US between Universal Suffrage, and when non-landowning men got the vote...?
You think we don't know how lame your "Women didn't get the vote" buillshit really is???
Here's the answer by the way....
3
factory2590 2 years ago
If you don't want to be punished for "sins of the father" than stop acting like him.
Everyone should be able to admit there was a time and a place for affirmative action, unless they don't believe racism or sexism ever existed.
In a lot of places, my state included, affirmative action is gone.
amosiren 2 years ago
And how many male teachers you got there? Boys and girls doing the same in school too by the way? Government offices and Hospitals showing a nice equal balance of men and women in your area??
Because in mine all these issues exist, and STILL "Equal Opportunity Employer" means "White Males Need Not Apply"...
As for Feminism looking after men...I'll have to pass. I think men themselves are better suited to the task.
factory2590 2 years ago
There are A TON of male teachers, i myself had more than quite a few. And no offices and hospitals arent equal. Its a well known fact women arent taken as seriously at hospitals, and i dont know how many times ive known women who had their ass grabbed and smacked at the office. Your menial examples that happen to both sexes compare not to the amount of women gang raped, stalked, harrassed just for being women. Ive seen groups of men go out to rape girls, its a f*cked up world
clm131313 2 years ago
I was talking about the fact that over 75% of teachers are female, that over 80% of health care workers are female, and that boys of all ages and income groups are being underserved by the education system.
You, being a feminist, turn the discussion to RAPE!!! as fucking usual.
If that`s the kind of lame-ass arguments you have, I`m done with you.
factory2590 2 years ago
Society has always encouraged men to be doctors and women to be nurses. Thats detrimental to women so i dont know what your complaining about. And do you really think men arent interested in being nurses because women are making fun of them? no men are making fun of them, women dont seem to care.
And you do know that long ago men stated that only women can be teachers? its because of feminism that men feel more comfortable being teachers, its not a womans job,and no jobs should depend on gender
clm131313 2 years ago
I`m serious. Keep coming at me with these crappy wishful thinking arguments and I`m gonna ban you.
If you can`t come up with anything better than that, then you`re wasting my time. What Feminists would do if it was female disadvantage is NOT what they do when it`s women on top. Any argument that this is somehow natural means you get to shut the hell up about MRA`s looking after men`s interests. If the imbalances are unjust, then stop fucking defending them.
Plain and simple.
factory2590 2 years ago
Rape was one example i had, i have many more if you want to hear them. Ive heard horror stories from every gender, every orientation, every class. You getting defensive and complaining that rape comes up clearly shows you have some agenda to prove, are you suggesting we ignore and not do anything about rape because you dont feel like discussing it? It affects both men and women and Im pretty sure its a bit more important than there being more female teachers..
clm131313 2 years ago
Actually, no, it`s not more important. In fact, it PALES in importance when it contrasts with the massive failure of education to serve boys properly.
As for the rape thing...I`d LOVE for you to point me at the feminist who shows it as anything other than ànother`reason to hate and fear men. Except, that topic is closed here, and one more post about it will get you banned. Consider this fair warning.
factory2590 2 years ago
Like i said you picked ONE example out of what i gave, and even then you still offer no solution. And since your so concerned about education you do know that out of everyone denied education, something like 90% is girls. And its your OPINION that boys arent "being served" properly in schools. Ive seen differently, girls not allowed to go to the bathroom, excluded from some classes and sports teams. Who cares if most teachers are women, do you also care about the race of them too?
clm131313 2 years ago
Boring, repetitive, old fucking arguments, coupled with determined avoidance of my actual point....fuck I`m tired of second year women`s studies students...
Go read my blog article I wrote for people like you, demonstrate that you have actually read it, THEN I may acknowledge you.
Not until.
factory2590 2 years ago
I havent taken women studies im telling you my opinions based off of my experience with abuse situations, its not my problem you wont listen. And i dont know where your blog is, if you want me to read it give me a link or something
And there isnt any need to bash, this is nothing but a friendly debate. What do you have to say about the other examples i mentioned since you refuse to talk about certain things?
clm131313 2 years ago
I`m telling you that I`ve been through these arguments literally thousands of times, and True Believers like you never actually find out what we`re about, they just try to bleat louder, then try to derail conversations, then insist they`re sympathetic -that`s why they are there...
When in fact all it does is eat up the MRA`s energy, and the patience of everyone.
Educate yourself, or not. Your choice, but until then I`m done with you.
factory2590 2 years ago
Its you who cant present your arguement. So far youve barely answered to anything because YOUVE GOT NOTHING. The lamest thing people can do is go after the poster as soon as they run out of excuses. pathetic but unfortunately common. I politely asked and challenged a few of your points, to which you got blindsided and therefore receded back into your cave. Ive told you not only my experiences but those of others and worldwide knowledge, to which you offered no greater experience
clm131313 2 years ago
Why would feminists do anything specifically for men?
Do you also object to the African-American civil rights movements because it never did anything specifically for whites? Was that movement not about equality?
ioploki 2 years ago
Because they "sell" themselves as EXPERTS on GENDER EQUALITY...which necessitates at least a marginal awareness of the experiences and needs of BOTH sexes.
The patently obvious neglect of one half of those attributes shows feminism as a womens lobby group, which means there is not only possibility of, but a genuine need for men like me...sticking up for men,.
And women need self-condemning men like you to feel better about their shitty behaviour...so I guess we both have a role...
factory2590 2 years ago
Come on, the restaurant next door says its food is the best in the city. But their food sucks, but they still do sell and take away business from other restaurants. Is that unforgivable?
When feminists say they fight for true gender equality do you actually believe them? They use that to sell themselves, and that's fair. Like I said before, what kind of gender equality organization calls themselves feminists? How can you believe that? It's a women's movement!
FlameltaSK0 2 years ago
And the loop on the argument is closed..
"You hate women"
"I do not, I want equality"
"Feminists have achieved equality, what you want is power for men and we disagree it's needed"
"Feminists are a special interest group for women"
"Read the dictionary-Feminism is about equality"
(I show all the ways Feminism ISN'T about equality)
"Well you didn't actually think they were about men did you?"
NO, I don't. That's why I'm here.
I thought that was obvious.
factory2590 2 years ago
"There is not only possibility of, but a genuine need for men like me...sticking up for men."
I don't disagree, but your focus on smearing feminism is seriously misguided.
I wish that feminists had the political power that you ascribe to us; believe me, I do. However, we don't. If we did, don't you think we could have at LEAST got the Equal Rights Amendment passed by now?
ioploki 2 years ago
YOU think it's misguided.
I don't.
And the ERA would severely limit the amount of privilege women enjoy over men...which is why it was defeated...
factory2590 2 years ago
I love your video from 3:45 onward. Good stuff!
Gogonostop 2 years ago
I only watched 3:45 and onward b/c I saw your comment. It's true that men today shouldn't have to pay for what they did in history. But these history are true, they're not made up, it's happening even today in less developed places.
The reason that we should know that is the same reason that we need to learn every other piece of history. We need to learn from it, and prevent it. I know that it might be used against men right now, and that's wrong. But we should still care.
FlameltaSK0 2 years ago
Thank you. I believe the Term Feminazi is justified. It reminds me of a blog somewhere on my site, "Feminism promotes themes similar to Nazi Doctrine". And, I will tell you, I've read several thousand women's books during the course of my lifetime. and, that's why I compare Feminism to Nazi doctrine.
mensrightsmovement 2 years ago
Just wanted to say, while I don't agree with Factory on everything, I am slowly coming around to his side of things. I don't disagree with you totally, factory.
and...just because I noticed.... too bad you seem kinda defensive towards women because you are kinda hot.
is that okay to say?
lol
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Yes that's OK to say. Thank you for the compliment. :)
Defensive isn't the word really. And it's not women, but what the law and society allow, even encourage women to do, that keeps me away.
And same goes for a huge swath of men out there.
Frankly, I'm surprised that women still haven't noticed. They must be doing a lot of navel gazing...
factory2590 2 years ago
You just seem angry and lack a sense of humor...traits of many "feminazi's". But for the record I don't buy into MANY feminists beliefs. I feel like men get the short end of the stick in family court, but I don't believe there is some mass conspiracy against men by "feminazi's".
I don't think all men are evil, but NOR are all women or even most.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Of COURSE I'm angry! Wouldn't you be?
But this does not translate into a hatred of women, nor fear, nor discomfort around even the most beautiful of them.
It translates into fear of the laws in place because of feminist pressure (done in the name of "women's rights"), rampant Misandry in every facet of society (again, a direct product of feminist initiatives) that encourage shitty behaviour in women, etc.
I hate feminists, not women.
There's a BIG difference.
factory2590 2 years ago
Maybe because I live in the South, I don't see it as much. I certainly do know women who act like men owe them (my sister is one). But even tho I disagree with much of what you have said, feminists DO NOT like me because of my career, and because I oppose much of their belief system as well.
I believe this battle over sex issues (male vs female issues, not intercourse lol) harms children.....
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Let's put it this way....everything seems to be done "for the children" these days...which usually means "for the children's mothers" way more often than not.
I am in this "for the men". In other words, I don't give a shit who else this is hurting, it's hurting men and that is enough reason right there to do something.
Nearly no one agrees with that...but they fuckin well SHOULD.
It's time we focused on men's needs to the same extent we have on women's needs.
factory2590 2 years ago
If a right is a true right...it doesn't "hurt" anyone.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Exactly.
So why is equal reproductive rights for men being opposed as somehow hurting women?
factory2590 2 years ago
"I am in this "for the men". In other words, I don't give a shit who else this is hurting."
I think that's very similar to the actions of a lot of feminists you hate. As long as women is benefiting, it doesn't matter who else hurts, including men?
People have very similar ways of dealing with things, you and some feminists might have similar motivations, and what you're trying to do is actually quite similar. They just continued pushing after they succeeded where you did.
FlameltaSK0 2 years ago
it's useful to put your hate on one thing, but think about it in the most unbiased and broadest terms. How can any one group make such a difference without other's contribution? It's impossible that feminism alone caused all this, or else they have some gods/goddesses (I'm not religious, don't flame me for the god comment) working in there.
I still think your efforts are best focused solving practical problems, rather than attacking things.
FlameltaSK0 2 years ago
I'm not attacking WOMEN, you dunderhead (Feminists attack men and maleness), I'm attacking an evil political ideology. I really DO view Feminists as being VERY similar to NAZI's.
There are no good NAZI's? Same can be said for Feminists.
Is it the people I hate? Nope, just the belief system. Although I have to admit the sheer refusal of nearly every single feminist to see men's points makes me think..you know?
YOU teach hatred. I identify the opponent, and outline their hypocrisy.
factory2590 2 years ago
Take on the tactics that work....use the enemy's momentum against them....
Hoist the Feminists on their OWN rhetoric...show just how much they've lied, cheated, stolen, and COST. Make the world HATE feminists...
That's my goal.
I want the likes of Gloria Steinem laughed off the podium whenever she speaks.
You seem to think I have "sympathy" for all those women who let this happen to men. You think I want to avoid them being hurt?
It's not a goal, but it's not a concern either.
factory2590 2 years ago
PoetryEater, u do realize how much u had to have been coaxed just to gradually appear ever so miserably egalitarian in your sense of reasoning do u? :) and as usual, u refuse to think about how many spoilt (but don't know they're spoilt) women out there who are like u.
I say, in the midst of your tantrums, when a guy takes charge and kisses u, u will be as resistant yet euphoric like a baby. i'd rather u eat the poetry for us. I doubt it'll be good though. *trying to keep straight face*
TheArthen 2 years ago
PC has a point though.
Abortion, adoption, abandonment are all forms of fuffering that can easily be SPARED if we are having sex responsibly. I've been doing it 12 years and never had to have an abortion. It is an active, responsible choice to plan parenthood, women AND men CAN do this.
What would you rather: be father of an aborted foetus or not be father till you choose to be one?
Its an easy choice for me, and why i hail contraception and you all should too.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
Which is pretty much what I've been saying, except I contend that you have Zero right to tell me what is "acceptable" or not for an MRA to advocate or say.
Because women in general have pissed away their chance to prove they actually care about men.
Now it's all about self-preservation.
And Survival Instinct can be a real Bitch.
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
You're coming at this from the wrong direction, frankly.
You still think we have an interest in "recruiting" women and Feminists.
I personally don't. Just for the record.
There has been plenty of overtures to play nice, and when MRA's weren't listened to at all, Feminists laughed at us and told us we would never get anywhere.
Now I ask you...why should I give a fuck WHAT those people want.?
Hmmm?
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
Then further clarification is neccessary.
It is one thing to support the MRM, and contribute ideas and even argue points counter to the main "body" of the MRM (of course, defending those positions falls on you then too).
It is quite another to tell MRA's that, while you support the MRM, this list of conditions must be met...or the support goes.
Get it?
That's called manipulation at best, extortion at worst.
Hardly what I'd call "contributing".
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
Who defines misogyny in this case?
What if it is defined as such every time you bring up a point that "makes women look bad"?
Nah. Sorry, but by and large the only people that think I'm misogynist are those that have a vested interest in the status quo.
I'm pretty rigidly equalist frankly.
And sometimes, that makes me express my general disgust at female behaviour for the last few decades.
Much like a LOT of other men.
If that doesn't make you think, then I can't help.
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
EVERYBODY is a misogynist to a feminist, unless you're an even more radical feminist. Pleasing that crowd is pretty low on my priority list.
And yes, there are several generalized problems with women, not least of which is the feeling of entitlement women seem to have these days.
So just to set the record straight...is it immoral to criticize Feminism, or just Women?
Because last time I looked, Feminists had no compunction about detailing the "acceptable" aspects of masculinity.
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
No, she is taking a problem that affects a vanishingly small number of women, redefining it until it encompasses many more, then creating hysteria in order to justify draconian laws and practices.
THAT is what "she" is doing.
And "she" is motivated by anti-male sentiment, via Patriarchy Theory, to do so.
Whether or not "she" is aware of this is irrelevant.
factory2590 3 years ago
It may be a fractionally small number in comparrisson with incest or honor killing, but none-the-less it is a subject worthy of reportage & critical engagement, just like these other subjects.
Patriarchy seldom offered anything of real value to women & feminism is the daughter of patriarchy. Patriarchal theory is not about dismantling the value that we place on fathers, or men. It concerns identifying how notions of male supremacy opperate in ways that lead to the oppression of women.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
If there were any perspective allowed in the "discussion" other than the feminist one, then sure, I can see that. As it stands, it's discussion WITHIN Feminist circles only...and that dog don't hunt I'm afraid.
And that last line of yours is pretty telling, wouldn't you say?
Rewritten:
It concerns how to better women's position by removing any cultural supports for men, while justifying increased "protection" of women's interests.
Sound about right?
factory2590 3 years ago
Incidentally, incest is a two way street. Women commit it too, and quite possibly MORE than men.
And it's strange that honor-killing is brought up as a Great Male Evil in one breath of a Feminist, and Anti-USA/Pro-Palistinian rhetoric will spill out the next.
I mean, can't you guys make up your minds?
factory2590 3 years ago
"Incidentally, incest is a two way street. Women commit it too, and quite possibly MORE than men."
I'd be interested to see the factual statistics that you build that statement upon. Also I recomend reading Mother/Daughter Incest: Making Sense of the Unthinkable by Lee Fitzroy which examines feminist approaches to the subject creating paradox with the occurence of mother/daughter incest. There is a paradox in feminist writing on this subject & all too often 'women as perpetrator' neglected.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
Thats a really twisted re-writing of what I wrote and couldn't be further from what I mean. This is a prime example of the way anti-feminist discussion contrives meanings which simply are not there.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
It may bear little resemblance to what YOU mean, but it's what Feminists do, and advocate for, regardless.
factory2590 3 years ago
IN that case I urge YOU to be clear about what YOU mean, rather than misconstrue what I say to show what feminists do.
Better still - find an example.
Inverting my words is not an adequate model for showing your audience how feminism is so damaging to society. People are not just going to take your word for it unless, like sheep, they have a closed mind.
But here I go again, telling yo what to do - my baaad :(
PoetryEater 3 years ago
Again, you misconstrue my purpose.
I merely say what others are thinking, but can't say themselves. I give voice to a feeling most men think they alone have. I know this from experience.
I'm not trying to convince Feminists or Government of anything. I've given up on that particular windmill.
Nowadays, I'll settle for letting men know it's OK to feel the way they do, and to legitimize their analysis of their situation.
Which is a damn sight more than Feminists can say...
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
The next thing you need to realize then, is that as a major obstacle to the fulfillment of men's equality, the destruction of Feminism in it's current form is ESSENTIAL to the recognizing of men as equal contributors and members of society, deserving of the same rights and freedoms as women.
I have shown numerous examples of these inequalities, and the best Feminist response could be described as "oh yeah, well Women...(blah blah blah).
Convincing a Feminist is a lost cause.
factory2590 3 years ago
I'm quite disappointed by the seeming lack of engagement on the behalf of feminist bloggers on the topic of mens rights & issues. However, if you search it out, there are some contemporary feminist writers whose texts address mens issues as the very core of their subject matter, & even debunk much of what feminism presently upholds. This is a relatively new direction for feminism but its going to be huge once anti-feminism & PC-ism is no longer an issue to (mainstream) feminists.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
So....we should "get out of the way" and allow those Feminists who address these issues (and how many of THOSE are aiming to kill off Masculinity I wonder?) to do so?
Are you serious?
Tell you what...get all the Feminists out of the way, and I'll redefine what it means to be female, and decide which rights women deserve...
Fair?
factory2590 3 years ago
Women kinda had all that already & thus the decline of patriarchy through integration of women into society & powerful positions.
However, the men obviously have to define masculinity for themselves & to an extent that involves deconstructing some female stereotypes that have negative influence on the lives of men. Perhaps the evil mother who keeps her children from their father or the feme fatale who is after your sperm, out to skim you for every penny you have would be the first choices.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
Rather than trying to pick out the "bad ones" preemptively, I suggest that having a social/legal system that allows, or even encourages, this type of shitty behaviour.
We need to take the legs out from anyone who espouses these views.
And that means Feminists, first and foremost. In fact, if Feminism was denounced, I contend many of the major problems we face as men would disappear.
Feminism is anathema to men, pure and simple.
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
Boys would be given better understanding, rather than blame for the state of their education. Men would enjoy a massive decrease in the level of male-bashing in society. Women might even finally admit that sometimes life is better for them than for men...
The sentencing disparity would no longer be vociferously defended (and feminist ministers would stop trying to abolish prison for women).
The blame for men's poor social standing would no longer be thrust upon men themselves either.
factory2590 3 years ago
But that's just the beginning...
We could ensure men benefit from the same programs, and taxpayer funded public entities, in equal proportion.
We could eradicate the hateful VAWA, and enact legislation that includes ALL victims, not just women. We could demolish the hegemonic hold they have on the DV industry, and not only de-normalize female upon male violence, but provide services to male victims in equal measure.
In short, no Feminism means equality for men, finally.
factory2590 3 years ago
You may not think so, but many of us think Feminism has much to answer for.
I truly, honestly do think history will be a VERY unkind judge to Feminism, and this time will be looked upon with much the same regard as we currently look at, say, blackface actors, now.
ALL of the facts support massive reforms in the way men are treated and regarded in society, and that Feminism is aligned in opposition to most, if not all, of these reforms.
At best, they blame the victim.
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
What the fuck are you talking about? Anti-corporatism has Zero place in this discussion.
Feminist policy, jurisprudence, "sensitivity training", and social memes have permeated our society to the point where it must be eradicated to have any chance of repair to society.
It is a blight, and evil influence. Your leftist shifting of "blame" from social engineers who have repeatedly stated the destruction of society was their goal (feminist), to profit motive, is shameful and simplistic.
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
That list really only pertains to men that actually spend money on women, but I'm sure it's relevant. Add to that things like entitled to special treatment, entitled to automatic authority, entitled to switch ideologies depending on situation, etc.
And given the Misandric basis of Feminism itself, where do you get off lecturing ANYONE on sexist behaviour, and "combatting misogyny"? How much Misandry did YOU fight today?
Or is that different?
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
Actually, yes, in many if not most cases, I do indeed think women got where they are because of special considerations because they're female.
Never heard of Affirmative Action? Title IX?
As to the Misandric bias of Feminism, it is indeed my point that Feminist=Misandrist...by word and deed. Patriarchy Theory is formalized and disguised Misandry, nothing more.
"Not my brand of Feminism" arguments don't work here, by the way...
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
I don't think you're capable of recognizing anything but the most blatant Misandry...be it wilful or otherwise...
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
First, I'm not personally attacking you, just your views. Second, you are the one self-identifying as part of a hate-group, and I afford you more courtesy than I would, say, a member of an Islamic Supremacist group (which is, to me, functionally equivalent).
You might want to give some thought to the reputation Feminism "enjoys" among the general public, and the idea that maybe all those people really DO have brains of their own...
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
Good analogy.
You see, to me, Feminist = hate filled ideology
NAZIism = hate filled ideology.
I really do equate them on the exact same level.
Hell, some people that are against abortion "credit" Feminism with killing more people than Hitler for that matter.
You just don't seem to get it through your head....
Feminism = Evil in my book.
You are functionally telling me some NAZI's (feminists) mean well. I contend that self-identifying as a NAZI earns you a fair amount of contempt.
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
You keep maintaining that my perspective is wrong, yours is right. What you haven't done is explain, or justify, the myriad ways in which men are held to different (read: higher) standards than women in these areas.
Any good Feminism has done is long since accomplished. I used to be one, I know it's done some good.
Now, though, it is twisted and evil. And yes, I very much equate Feminism with NAZIism. Plenty of similarities...
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
That's where I think you're wrong. Eliminating Feminism and PC think will essentially eliminate nearly all of the issues men face, since there won't be someone there saying we shouldn't have it....at least, that entity would be unable to dictate...debate would replace dictation.
Feminism is to blame. I will not help you or anyone else mitigate your Feminist guilt.
Thankfully, Feminist is ALREADY an insult to most women. A reputation EARNED through the decades.
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
You flip the whole thing around. It is the Feminazis who view Men as the Jews. It is men who are demonized. it is men who have unjust laws enacted against them. It is men who have propaganda ("awareness") campaigns subtly directed at demonizing them.
Not women.
Men.
I don't view Feminism as degenerate. I view Feminism as a potential force that might end up roasting men in ovens. And YES, I really do think there are PLENTY of Feminists that would be fine with that.
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
I think you might be shocked at the scope and scale in which men have been systematically disenfranchised then. Because yes, absolutely Feminist ideology, persons, and groups are indeed nearly 100% responsible for the plight men are in right now.
I do blame feminists, and frankly Women in general, for letting things get this way either through intent or ignorance.
There is almost no way you can convince me women have been anything other than selfish as hell for the last 3 decades...
factory2590 3 years ago
And as for "bashing Feminists and women"...well, they (and likely You) have had no compunction bashing men for DECADES. So, I really don't give a shit if it hurts your feelings, and I don't care if it "puts women off" from support.
Women deserve it (collectively) because you EARNED the disdain and contempt. And Feminists lobbied (actively or passively by not arguing against) for all sorts of male-hating legislation and programs.
Feminists and women DESERVE whatever happens.
Right?
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
Sins of the father don't apply ANYWHERE...but tell that to a Feminist (hint, it's the basis of Patriarchy Theory). Feminists cannot stand up for decades and "justify" the crap they've done in the name of "historical oppression" and then have it's members say "Sins of the Father" type shit.
You self identify as Feminist, this type of thinking is CENTRAL to being a feminist, and no amount of complaining will get that tar off you.
Feminism is formalized Misandry.
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
So Feminism is about gaining control and power through the use of your sex and sexuality? Interesting admission, and not a concept I am unfamiliar with.
As to your contention that that is what Feminism is about...well, Sarah Palin wasn't exactly a Feminist icon, but she walks the talk better than even Gloria Steinham does.
Feminism isn't about that at all. You might think the world has it all wrong...but I can surely guarantee you that you are the one with a misguided view.
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
You have a very outdated and misinformed view of men and their thoughts and feelings. Hardly surprising really...
I don't care if you can fix your car. I can't, that's why I pay mechanics.
I care that I have the same civil and legal rights as you...which I currently do not.
You and other Feminists are spending their time trying to tell me this is as it should be...to "make up" for "Patriarchy".
I call severe bullshit.
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
Right. We wouldn't want to recreate the issues men face for women...now would we?
We wouldn't want men to do to women, what women have done to men...
Hell, we don't even really want things to change...we just want to FEEL better about our ideology...
Call severe BS all you want, I've had it with Feminism, and Feminists. If you don't like it, tough shit.
Besides, I'm HARDLY the only one who feels this way. And I'll feed that anti-feminist sentiment as much as I can...
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
The world didn't "forget" about men and boys. The world was told...repeatedly...that they were assholes for caring about men and boys when there were Women and Girls to think about!
We weren't forgotten, we were deliberately marginalized. And Patriarchy Theory was the justification.
You know it's true. You just don't want to admit it.
Because then Men would be right to hate Feminists...and that just won't do, now will it?
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
Nope. Not only that anyway. Until we break the hegemony Feminism has, the almost Theocratic rule of PC think, then men will get nothing but token support....as has again been evidenced quite regularly by Feminists.
You yourself and others here have said men's issues need attention...none of you actually do it, or say "hey, we can give up this funding to help men"...but Do nothing.
So yes, Feminism must be "deconstructed" in order to rebuild society.
Sound Academic enough?
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
Well Gee, with 170million women in the US, theere just might be a Feminist who really isn't "like that", I mean, NO ONE ever says they're "not like that"...especially not Feminists.
Your attitude is betrayed by your wording and focus.
Same sort of thing you are using to judge MY opinions by the way.
So who's invalid? You? Me? Both?
Sorry, not playing that game. This isn't about you, or your relationships...this is about men and their civil rights...
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
Feminism taught women a hell of a lot more than that. And some of those "other lessons" stuck WAYYY better than the "pay your fair share" bit.....
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
Patriarchy Theory is just as bad as the SCUM manifesto...worse, since it couches it's sexism in Academic language and tries to pass itself off as a real Theory.
The Feminists in charge of fixing the education system for boys here are plenty fine with it, since they blame the boy's socialization, rather than the educational system, for their own poor performance. Then say it's OK because of the "wage gap".
Feminists talk about male circumcision as an issue? Really?
factory2590 3 years ago
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PoetryEater 3 years ago
The more you look at Feminism, the more "sickening double standards" you'll see.
For a clear view, remove ANY "justification" from laws and policies and social norms that favour women / disfavour men. you'll find nearly ALL of the biggest problems men have are not merely part of our collective society, but have been deliberately placed or encouraged to be there...by Feminists.
Go ahead and check...I'll wait.
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