I wasn't surprised that this happened. The temple is not run properly at all. They are doing nothing to reach out to young people, sensible sermons are not given that will teach or inspire people either in punjabi or english. Sikhism is one of the youngest faiths and for that reason it is also underdeveloped in its tradition and theology. Most Sikhs are a joke and very confused people.
Sadly, most of the community that attend this temple are broadly, hypocrites, ill-informed almost about everything including about the Sikh theology, heavy alcoholics, materialists, crude people who just sit there and gossip about foolish topics and people. As a consequence, I no longer attend and just pray at home.
Whoever has decided to use this tasteless Black American style music in the background has spoiled a video that perhaps had the potential to be a good one. What should have been a spritual and serious video has instead been given a thuggish and gangster style theme.
I don't condemn racist myself as I'm black and educated person and proud of it but if we have a Christian church up in an islamic country that will be burnt to the ground. So it goes both ways. I don't like violence.
@MrGcam16 Yeah your right but Islamic countries are conservative countries, take for Saudia Arabia where there is no freedom of speech, women can't drive cars, public beheadings and so on. UK on the other hand is a Democracy so you can't compare the UK with Islamic countries. Its because of Sikhs the people of UK have freedom as Sikhs fought for the British Army in WW1 & WW2 with very high casualties, there was even a BBC documentary on this topic, check it out: /watch?v=uoM-cz6moU0
@MrGcam16 whoever told u that is taking you for a ride..wow i didnt expect black ppl to be as gulable as ur typical edl chav...theres millions of christians worshiping christ in churches all over the arab and muslim world
man alot off damage happened here, i went here today because my uncle came from italy and the sikhs that live in that gurdwara are my uncles freinds, the sikhs told us it was very hard for them and today i saw for my self how much damage their was because the gurdwara had no roof but at the back end of the gurdwara they made a tempary roof and thats where they live now.
Surprise, surprise: there are people who visit violence on others because they're angry. Like the arsonist. Like some/most of the respondents here. Them, "Kill them!" They, "Kill them!" And the flames are doused by blood. Foolish, you are ... self-righteous and foolishly prideful.
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The gudwara in Bow is surrounded by whites. There isn't a Sikh (or affluent amount) community in Bow. Thats why its easy for them to burn or attack it coz its frankly empty or not active.
whateva happened? I know someone needs to get smashed. Made an example of. Their entire family. When the Gurudwara is rebuilt, they should be forced to lick the bottom of each devotees shoe. Otherwise suffer dire consequences. Wonder if its mohammedans. I heard the pakis are paagal in London.
shut up u pratt!! there aint no pakis round there. that gudwara is left untouched and inactive. the gudwara is surrounded by racist whites. Have you been to Bow before? Before you spread your poison look at the issue objectively and don't get emotional. p.s your statements are not of spiritual nature specially when its based on emotion and not empirical.
@jupitermoonrat lol.....so if this person licks the bottom of everyones shoes....will his actions be forgiven. I dont think your guru will accept this.
According to eyewitnesses inside the Gurdwara during the attack, they saw a black/mixed-raced unidentified person running through the Gurdwara building just before the congregation realised that the building has been set alight.
your maharji suroops get burned and wot do we do??? 17th may 2009 bow london biggest protest againt the lack of worl frm police!!!! 11am wake up my lions!!
maharajah u r sum messd up person, y u even watching videos 2 do with religion if u are against it, sikhi preaches to seek justice if any1 trys 2 attach the panth, so ur saying the prick hu burnt the gurdwara should be let go, u must b mad, n u jeevs stop following maharajah, u think 4 urself aswell. all u hu call urself sikhs but cant even defend the panth shud hang urself. peace
Furthermore, any of u punks who disagree with the words of sant ji, disagre with sikhi.,,,
And that is nothing new. Hindus have been in disagreement with sikhi for 500 years. your words have no effect on the advancement of sikhi.
Ever since the day Guru nanak rejected the janeyo at the tender age of 10, The Brahmins knew that this knew religion sikhi that was born would go a long way. Your words change nothing. Your views are the same as your forefathers. Tusi ekho maava theea dhe puttar ne.
He also said all men are equal, therefore you have no right to cast judge on them, Ye simpleton! It's sadly that your words put sikhi behind :S How do you cast judgment in the religion of tolerance lol oxymoron isn't it? and uh "furthermore" You should go back to the basics.
oxymoron lol. its no cold fire. but take the oxy out and what u left with "moron" thats what you are mate. I am a simpleton yes. Its a very simple concept. You dont need to add your own interpretation to it. Man attacks religion, man dies. As simple as that. yo add your spin to it and make it into whatever u want, eh koum hai babbar sheran dhee.
Simpleton, you lack right-thought, or any thought for that matter. You know words of a book aren't reversed if it is read upside down... Love man, Love life, Live honestly <-- the Fundamentals. Nothing really changes that. And it is very ludicrous to assume something to be that simple. But you preach what Nanak taught lol Give up son.
Be careful who you call "Sant" What your "Sant" said is in no way "Sikhi" Guru Granth Sahib is Sikhi. NOWHERE DOES OUR GURU SAY TO KILL ANYONE FOR BURNING OUR BOOKS! Your words are like a terrorists' who has no respect or honor. War comes last. If our Gurus fought every time they were provoked they would have never been recognized as Gurus. Don''t be stupid and spread more hate.
Then why do I need to explain myself? Why do these people call for blood they have no authority to call over? Why am I casted the "anti-Sikh" for speaking what it is?
Lmao! You simpleton, despite everything I said, THAT's the only Conclusion you deduced? With the previous post, you nearly had me. I almost thought you used ACTUAL insight oh well! No where does the 10th Master say KILL because you can. No where.
That's the thing you DON'T, if that were the Case, you have no right to judge a jihadi or a suicide bomber. Technically speaking, they're doing the "right thing", according to you at least. Seeking justice does not mean blood vengeance. Btw, it is ALSO a SIN for killing people you have absolutely no judgment over.
Lol, Is that more interesting stuff you got outta this religion? or has Islamic Extremism starting to appeal to you more? you know the *magic* words before you pull the strings son ;)
I think your in the wrong religion. Any1 who sits round not bothered when their guru is burned, is not a sikh. Your views are no longer welcome here.
Lol, I never said I _WASN'T_. However, my friend, the only person that's clearly confused is you :). Demanding blood where you have no authority, killing in the name of religion for 'justifications of vengeance', under an alias of weapons most commonly affiliated with Terrorists. How sure are you? Sometimes, to the untrained eye, a mosque could be mistaken as a gurudwara... *it happens*
I did not make a shocking revelation by calling for blood. I only re-inforced what was already said by the Guru, then said again by Sant Bhindranwalle. I re-conveyed the same message. U can hear it from sant ji yourself...listen to the video. Those who burn saroops are to be killed he said. I am on board with that and in complete agreement with that. if u disagree then u disagree with sikhi.
Thank you for proving my point. It's clear the Leaders have failed us for the new youth to accept this Vengeance ideology. It's acceptable so long as it's in a the proper frame of reference, not what they taught us. And for people to compare 2 absolutely different periods of time is simply wrong.
Its Funny How If A Church Or Mosque Got Burnt It Will Be On The News Everywhere But When Its Something To Do With A Gurdhwara Its Never Important, What Is Someone Getiing Out Of This Nothing. Its Still Unbelievable Of The Amount Of Cold Hearted People There Are In This World, Especially To Ruin Our Community Like This. Its Not Fair At All!
Why did this not reach the national news?! If this was a church, synagogue or even a MOSQUE; there would be headlines left right and centre, every national nespaper, radio and t.v. show. But just because we are sikhs who choose not to raise our voice in oppsotition to others beliefs and the fact we respect all other peoples' beliefs our own are ignored and such a crime is nothing to the people of not only Britain but the world!
sikhi will shine forever and will get the true value of the gurbani the understanding, teach, respect, and the truth. of the rightouse man who follow pure sikhi full in full out bol the' solney hal sat sri akal it time to respect and follow..
yo, maharaj, u said "lmao" why?? did i wrirte sumthin funny?? how do you no a mughal might have done it.. i was just trying to use that as an example of how big the Guru Granth Sahib Ji is.and yeah Singhs always take there badla, make no mistake.ram rahim singh is dead to.due time.. keep watchin. we were given arms by Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji, and Guru Gobind Singh Ji, they are not for show,if youve got a problem with wats been wrote here,then dont come here.. simple. all the singhs keep it real.
I don't know if it's more funny or sad, this ideology you preach. Did the guru's call this badla? missed point. The only problem i have is you making these rules we DON'T believe in and matters you have NO right to judge on. Which, is wrong for you to mention their names.
When the guru and a band of 40 sikhs were surrounded in the mud fort of chamkaur by an army of 100,000 enemies.... The enemy chief shouted an order for the sikhs to surrender and come out of the fort..... The GUru at that point responded with a Hail of Arrows. That was the guru's response.
Sikhs should not seek revenge. Seeking revenge is a selfish act which will only serve to please oneself. The battles that the Sikhs fought in Mughal times were not in revenge for what they did 2 our faith, they were battles to protect and save humanity from opression. We are meant to be serving and protecting humanity. The arsonist should be punished to the full extent of british law... God will provide a fitting punishmnt.
Not only is that far from the truth, but plain ludicrous lol. I'm merely pointing your NON Sikh justifications in seeking a Vengeance we don't believe in lol. Seek justice does NOT mean killing over a matter. You have no authority or position to call this. Sikhs DON'T believe in that, but you're a Sikh, you already knew that. Right?
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why do you believe this is a living guru? at what stage did it become the guru? when it was just paper and ink it didnt matter, at what exact point does this book become something that you can kill over?
a real sikh, would rather watch his house burn, than Watch the Guru Granth Sahib Ji Burn, thats the diffrence between the pure khalsa, and the fakes that just wanna argue bout everything. (Big Up AK47 - i feel ur pain bruv) ALL THE FAKERZ, REALISE HOW BIG THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI IS. do ardas that people who commit these crimes, are finished off. dont worry the time will come. maharaj kirpa karan. (dont get me wrong, cuz ima fake maself) i hope akal purkh blesses me aswel..
It actually pains me, you throwing all this history of which you obviously never applied to your own life lol. A real Sikh wouldn't stop his life over a sin Sikh's call Vengeance, of which you are fully implying. You can be the most "pure sikh" but what good is that unless you don't apply it to your life? Waste of time.
if u ever look at a picture of Guru Gobind Singh Ji,u will notice,that they always have light around there head. When Guru Gobind Singh Ji left the earth,maharaj bowed infront of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. and that light from maharajs head went and put itself around the Guru Granth Sahib Ji.the Guru Granth Sahib Ji,is the living guru for sikhs and humanity. it is the truth for start to finish,it cant be faulted,(its like searching for edges, on a circle) SAB SIKHAN KO HUKAM HAI GURU MANEYO GRANTH
go. But Guru Gobind Singh Ji could hear his thorts, Maharaj Ji got on the neela khora, and flew over to his tent. maharaj ji called him out. zaid khan said "who is it" maharaj ji said "its the person your thinking about" when zaid khan came out of his tent he looked at Guru Gobind Singh Ji Once, and fell on his knees. he startd to cry, he couldnt look up at maharaj. (cuz Guru Gobind Singh Ji had that much radiance power and light around his face, hes sooo beautifull.
Once, singhs were goin to battle with the mughals, when nite fell, the singhs set up camp to rest and the mughals set up camp to rest. a man called zaid khan was the man who was leading the muslims in to battle. And on the Singhs side it was Guru Gobind Singh Ji who was leading the singhs into battle. when zaid khan (who was a big strong man)had set up his tent, he was lying inside it thinking "why do people big big up Guru Gobind Singh Ji, wait till he comes infront of me ill finish him of in
the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, is the only divine light, which has been wriiten by the gurus themselves. no other relegion was wrote by anybody, they were all written after by manmadhs. Guru Angad Dev Ji Maharahj himself slept on the floor and put the Guru Granth Sahib Ji On a bed. waheguru. Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj bowed in front of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji when this world comes to an end, the only light left will be the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Every human being will have to bow before it.
you talking about raising the word, let me ask you this. given the option, if you were in the room with him, would you find it in yourself to kill him?
would you actually take this mans life and then say your religion has given you license to do so?
this arsonist is not the mughals, is not an army, it was someone who doesnt know what sikhs are because he targetted the wrong place.
If u study his life, and see how much selfless service he did for mankind, then any unbiased mind would agree he is a saint in every definition of the word. Sikhs call him sant based on guru granth sahib teachings about the qualities of a sant.
I would glady have killed the arsonist if it meant saving the guru. We are mere dust in gurus presence.
your right about 1 thing, it will not stop sikhi cuz guru has said raj kareha khalsa.
But sacrilage is a tool of terror, and he will pay.
The arsonist were not mughals, correct. However both use tools of terror. I dont care mughal or not, sacrilage is a tool of terror. If this person lives then what have sikhs become? A sikh that does not protect his father or seek retribution when his spiritual father is attacked...... does he have the right to call himself sikh?
The world would benefit from there being 1 less racist arsonist in the world. I do not speak from anger. I speak from word of god. Its also evident that if sikhs did not kill the mughals in the sikh resistance movement, then the whole of present day India would of been forcefully converted to Islam. The turk oppression was halted and stopped in its tracks by sikhs raising the sword... realise that.
@jeevs182 I think your nothing but a coward first of all a man sent a gurdwara on fire with people inside he risked the lives of scores of people inside a fact you seem to over look. Do you know what a mass murderer is?
what authority are you to prevent men of intelect to have discussion?
this is not some fuct up backwards country like iran <well to be fair i dont know where your from.
point is the sikhs are the champions of the free and i have no doubt that if the gurus were alive they would be the first ones to say that this young misguided twat who burnt down the place does not deserve to be killed over it.
what nonsense are u jibbering? There is no negotiations with people who burn Saroops. Sant Bhindranwalle also said this and openly enouraged punishing those responsible. So if u disagree then u are against the greatest martyr in the last quatre century. So tell me , do i still sound islamic now? or do u sound hindu? Think it over.
We practice forgiveness and love/compassion. But also seek justice in times of its need. IF u want to take slavery off our necks then we have to take action.
The fate of the culprits is not up for DEBATE. They will burn. If want to protect them then do so at your own peril. If anyone phsyically protects them then they shall burn with them. Choose your destiny. SIkhs allways get their man. Look at history and realise that.
If you read my comment simpleton, than you would know that I said. You keep implying a Hell Sikhs do not believe in at all. Sikhs do NOT believe in vendetta at all, infact it's a Sin. Look at the scripture and realise that.
..and people like you are the reason why nothing hardly ever gets done in sikhi nowadays. your gandhi/bakhri mentality is a major setback to the sikh movement.
Your not willing to raise a sword yourself, but worse thing is you encourage others against it. jammeh kanu sikhan deh ghareh? why was u born in a sikh household?
Its a big sin to aquire weapons and kill an innocent. but a greater sin to possess weapons and not seek justice . quote from sant bhindranwalle himself.
from your comments it seems to me you have completely lost the miri piri concept. SGGS ji, are the only true guru in this world (that is if you have sikh beliefs). you are clearly not a sikh, if all sikhs were like you there would be no sikhism today. how can you not seek revenge when someone has just attacked guru sahib. when there is hardship, that's when people show their true colours. i can't believe you just called yourself a sikh.
Yeah, you completely shat on the main thing this religion taught, and you say I'm no Sikh. lol
Oh simpleton, it is because of people like you Sikhism is the way it is today. Just a Phase, with no real application whatsoever. As a matter of fact throughout all the guru's lives, none were DIRECTLY avenged. So where does you vengeance come form?
you idiot, im talkin about. sikhism,. what did guru hargobind singh ji teach us, and start, "the concept of mirri pirri". thats what eventually lead to creation of khalsa by 10th guru ji. the reason for this was to fight injustice and to start a army to fight injustice. this army was called khalsa. if your house was burnt with your father inside would you have let it happen and do nothing. you would seek justice. ai bro don't take this personally. but ai seriously man get a life.
You still did not answer my question, Where does your Vengeance come from? So, what right does THIS give you kill in the name of religion? I don't take that comment personally, but I think you should really absorb the main concept of the religion you speak of. FYI, for you to compare the burning of my home to Guru Arjun Dev Ji's torture, you must lack some serious understanding. Shed Ye with light
ai dude im not comparing your house burning with guru arjan dev ji's torture, what i said was "if your house was burnt with your father inside would you have let it happen and do nothing". from this statement how did you relate it to the torture of guru arjan dev ji. i didn't say that khalsa was army of vengeance. it was a army to fight for injustice's.
But you define injustice along the same lines of revenge.
"how can you not seek revenge when someone has just attacked guru sahib"
hence you, and sadly everybody else, implying it's ok to kill- so long as situations like this make it so. That is where I draw my comparison. You preach the ideology they downplayed. Simple son.
injustice is a primary motive to revenge, you see "injustice is aroused by the provocation of another person......the sense of injustice is a response to a percieved harm or wrongdoing by another party.....it is this provocation that elicit's the passion, which motivates the revenge( Tripp & Bies, 1997) And (Bies & Tripp, 1996) this is according to factual studies.
well, are you trying to say that the attack on the gurdwara was not a wrongdoing. well in my eye's it is. what are you trying to say that it was just and fair, that this guy can come in and burn the gurdwara and guru sahib's beeda inside it. man look i know there are some people out there who think like you. maybe to you this was not perceived to be a wrongdoing or harmful to you. but to me it is, just like it is to alot of people who are commenting on here.
No, I'm saying for YOU to seek blood in this matter is not only wrong, but Sinful. You preach this _REVENGE_ ideology (which our Folks specifically taught us not to). If that's the message you got, then you completely missed the main point of this Religion. Any crime is wrong doing, but EVERY crime is not justifiable via vengeance.
Oh, Btw. Miri and Piri is "Higher leader and Spiritual High leader" which Guru Hargboind singh took apon himself. No correlation there, unless you believe it was the Army of Vengeance lol. If so, please stop there.
to far to allow people to take human life in exchange for a book.
if we were to do that then how could we stop anybody demanding death for anyone damaging any holy book?
at the end of the day god isnt real, if religious people want to privately worship thats up to them but we can let their superstitious irrational and illogical ideas over flow into the rational world where intellegence and logic is the basis for legality.
I did not make a shocking revelation by calling for blood. I only re-inforced what was already said by the Guru, then said again by Sant Bhindranwalle. I re-conveyed the same message. U can hear it from sant ji yourself...listen to the video. Those who burn saroops are to be killed he said. I am on board with that and in complete agreement with that. if u disagree then u disagree with sikhi.
once again, if you took the time to read what i wrote or even if you had the sense to understand, you will see what im trying to say is that we cannot allow religious people to influence the reality in the sense of punishment need be based on laws as opposed to spiritual belief that cannot be trusted tested confirmed etc.
if whoever burnt the books said they were doing so in accordance with their own religious belief would it still be a crime in your eyes?
Oh, of all the bull shit i have seen on this page, you're the only one that even spoke the real truth. and you don't even believe lol. Religion has killed more people than it has "saved". Nobody follows what they were TOLD to do. Love man, Love life, Live honestly. Oh well!
oh and i happily disagree with sikhi, ill disagree all day long. this is the sheer ignorance of religion, a single view point that cannot be changed regardless of how the world evolves or the multitude of possibilities that presents itself.
this is the exactly reason why all men of logic define their own states law in accordance with intellect and distance themselves from religion,
dumbass, if you knew anything about sikhism you would know that the message and the meaning are the important part, not the books themselves, the message doesnt burn by fire. but it does when people that claim to be part of it, like yourself, display such stupidity and violence.
sikhism doesnt encourage someone getting killed for this?
listen here jeevs, i dont know if your a christian or muslim or whatever, but it clearly shows thats the difference between our religions and why ours is so respectful and amazing. the saroops arent books you prick, they carry the words passed down from god to our Guru's that have been provided to us. maybe you drink wine or eat sum halal meast while you read your "books" but ours is more than that u complete idiot!
a message to the culprits.. when u r found you will be killed..there is no forgiveness in burning a saroop of maharaj sahib..you will only recieve death from us.
It was not "books", it is our eternal guru and our father. God forbid, if your father was burned, then u would also seek justice in the same mannor as many sikhs do. The justice system will only put him in prison...
Compared to what the sikhs are gonna do to the culprit....prison will be heaven for him. He will be punished.
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...punished by the law. The UK law. The UK law as set down in our democratic country that works by it's citizens obeying the law. If u want to live here; obey the laws. We're all sorry about the books or whatever it was.
No, let's speak of this in absolute terms (not comparing scriptures to people, because they're not).
You're attempting to justify the execution of a criminal, who has not physically injured a person. I don't care how important your beliefs are to you, nobody can justify the killing of another human being for this sort of crime.
Encouraging 'revenge' (instead of letting the law deal with it) is despicable - you're doing more harm than good to the image of Sikhism.
Its time to unite brothers ....find out who did this and fight with all means available. All committee gurdwara's need to be informed that us Sikhs will not tolerate this and we are ready to take armed action against the culprits and their gang/organisation
Y would u want to murdet someone for that
M4J1D1 2 weeks ago
I wasn't surprised that this happened. The temple is not run properly at all. They are doing nothing to reach out to young people, sensible sermons are not given that will teach or inspire people either in punjabi or english. Sikhism is one of the youngest faiths and for that reason it is also underdeveloped in its tradition and theology. Most Sikhs are a joke and very confused people.
kuldi1000 7 months ago
Sadly, most of the community that attend this temple are broadly, hypocrites, ill-informed almost about everything including about the Sikh theology, heavy alcoholics, materialists, crude people who just sit there and gossip about foolish topics and people. As a consequence, I no longer attend and just pray at home.
kuldi1000 7 months ago
Whoever has decided to use this tasteless Black American style music in the background has spoiled a video that perhaps had the potential to be a good one. What should have been a spritual and serious video has instead been given a thuggish and gangster style theme.
kuldi1000 7 months ago 2
england de sikh ta pure fuddu aa
gagsbajwa 8 months ago
i love mah sikhi no one can harm it until almighty gods love with us.wahe guru ji ka khalsa wahe guru ji ki fathe
lionheartsingh1 9 months ago
oh almighty lord bless mah sikh panth
lionheartsingh1 9 months ago
I don't condemn racist myself as I'm black and educated person and proud of it but if we have a Christian church up in an islamic country that will be burnt to the ground. So it goes both ways. I don't like violence.
MrGcam16 1 year ago
@MrGcam16 Yeah your right but Islamic countries are conservative countries, take for Saudia Arabia where there is no freedom of speech, women can't drive cars, public beheadings and so on. UK on the other hand is a Democracy so you can't compare the UK with Islamic countries. Its because of Sikhs the people of UK have freedom as Sikhs fought for the British Army in WW1 & WW2 with very high casualties, there was even a BBC documentary on this topic, check it out: /watch?v=uoM-cz6moU0
tatzmayne 1 year ago
@MrGcam16 whoever told u that is taking you for a ride..wow i didnt expect black ppl to be as gulable as ur typical edl chav...theres millions of christians worshiping christ in churches all over the arab and muslim world
navijatt 10 months ago
man alot off damage happened here, i went here today because my uncle came from italy and the sikhs that live in that gurdwara are my uncles freinds, the sikhs told us it was very hard for them and today i saw for my self how much damage their was because the gurdwara had no roof but at the back end of the gurdwara they made a tempary roof and thats where they live now.
metalaman1 1 year ago
@jd3q .. tu ohna di juti di rees ney kar sakda....tenu gharde ney jande hone ohna nu jag janda
TheSinghRulez 1 year ago
motor shaikal lolllllllllllllll
jd3q 1 year ago
motor shaikal lol
jd3q 1 year ago
S BaBabJarnail singh ji Doing Speach To sangt to be Aware
atozwebTv 1 year ago
Awesome speech!
khandajatt 1 year ago
boleee so nihal
84WAKEUP 1 year ago
when will unity come
84WAKEUP 1 year ago
Surprise, surprise: there are people who visit violence on others because they're angry. Like the arsonist. Like some/most of the respondents here. Them, "Kill them!" They, "Kill them!" And the flames are doused by blood. Foolish, you are ... self-righteous and foolishly prideful.
tremben 2 years ago
evidence suggests it was an inside job. Insurance scam.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
wat evidence?
rajasingh9 1 year ago
@Ak47Jatha disgusting.
Shanniquitie 1 year ago
@Ak47Jatha motor shaikal lol
jd3q 1 year ago
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bet it was muslims
AlizeCiz 2 years ago
@AlizeCiz i bet its America or indians who r killing everyone in the whole world.WORLD BIGGEST TERRORISTS.
masim10 2 years ago
The gudwara in Bow is surrounded by whites. There isn't a Sikh (or affluent amount) community in Bow. Thats why its easy for them to burn or attack it coz its frankly empty or not active.
abuubayd 2 years ago
I think its gonna be re-built.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
whateva happened? I know someone needs to get smashed. Made an example of. Their entire family. When the Gurudwara is rebuilt, they should be forced to lick the bottom of each devotees shoe. Otherwise suffer dire consequences. Wonder if its mohammedans. I heard the pakis are paagal in London.
jupitermoonrat 2 years ago
shut up u pratt!! there aint no pakis round there. that gudwara is left untouched and inactive. the gudwara is surrounded by racist whites. Have you been to Bow before? Before you spread your poison look at the issue objectively and don't get emotional. p.s your statements are not of spiritual nature specially when its based on emotion and not empirical.
abuubayd 2 years ago 3
@jupitermoonrat lol.....so if this person licks the bottom of everyones shoes....will his actions be forgiven. I dont think your guru will accept this.
MyurenJ 2 years ago
@Ak47Jatha Wish you luck for rebuilding. God bless.
MyurenJ 2 years ago
NO NO I M SURE THOSE WHO BURN THIS TEMPLE WERE SIKH FREE MASON !!!
yes free mason, there is many SIKH FREE MASON in uk, The illuminati gang are powerful and evrywhere !
they do this ritual sacrifice like 9/11 for preparing the comin of NEW WORLD ORDER, cause NWO is secular project for the whole BHOOMI
Before insult me penchod, just learn abt FREE MASON please !
BRRUUUAAHHable 2 years ago
Sikh freemason! you need phyciatric treatment mate, go seek help and stop spreading you're cowardly ignorance
realkingkado 2 years ago
do a ritual sacrifice and sacrifice yourself. Theres an idea.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago 3
@BRRUUUAAHHable lol wtf? Man you've been watching too much Alex Jones.
punjabistan01 1 year ago
@BRRUUUAAHHable just shut the fuck up u retard
skilledalexman 1 year ago
@skilledalexman woah grammar police go read a book or something
skilledalexman 1 year ago
good work, keep it up
singhsekhon 2 years ago 5
According to eyewitnesses inside the Gurdwara during the attack, they saw a black/mixed-raced unidentified person running through the Gurdwara building just before the congregation realised that the building has been set alight.
rajtsingh 2 years ago 7
i kno its a fucken redneck who burned down our gurdwara i want to burn them alive along with their bible
dalbir122 2 years ago
your maharji suroops get burned and wot do we do??? 17th may 2009 bow london biggest protest againt the lack of worl frm police!!!! 11am wake up my lions!!
1984neva4get 2 years ago 2
Respect to Sikhs! We Hindus owe a lot to them. Sikhs are a role model for all to follow and the culprits should be caught and punished!
HerbalHindu 2 years ago 27
maharajah u r sum messd up person, y u even watching videos 2 do with religion if u are against it, sikhi preaches to seek justice if any1 trys 2 attach the panth, so ur saying the prick hu burnt the gurdwara should be let go, u must b mad, n u jeevs stop following maharajah, u think 4 urself aswell. all u hu call urself sikhs but cant even defend the panth shud hang urself. peace
khalistanishere 2 years ago
We SiKhs nEEda dEfend ourselevz
xTaneeshaKaurx 2 years ago 5
ACHA GO ASK HELP TO BUSHY and he will armed your new militia and 20 years after you will become like TALIBAN !!!
BRRUUUAAHHable 2 years ago
Furthermore, any of u punks who disagree with the words of sant ji, disagre with sikhi.,,,
And that is nothing new. Hindus have been in disagreement with sikhi for 500 years. your words have no effect on the advancement of sikhi.
Ever since the day Guru nanak rejected the janeyo at the tender age of 10, The Brahmins knew that this knew religion sikhi that was born would go a long way. Your words change nothing. Your views are the same as your forefathers. Tusi ekho maava theea dhe puttar ne.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
He also said all men are equal, therefore you have no right to cast judge on them, Ye simpleton! It's sadly that your words put sikhi behind :S How do you cast judgment in the religion of tolerance lol oxymoron isn't it? and uh "furthermore" You should go back to the basics.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
oxymoron lol. its no cold fire. but take the oxy out and what u left with "moron" thats what you are mate. I am a simpleton yes. Its a very simple concept. You dont need to add your own interpretation to it. Man attacks religion, man dies. As simple as that. yo add your spin to it and make it into whatever u want, eh koum hai babbar sheran dhee.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
sure It is, Tolerant-Killing lol :)
Simpleton, you lack right-thought, or any thought for that matter. You know words of a book aren't reversed if it is read upside down... Love man, Love life, Live honestly <-- the Fundamentals. Nothing really changes that. And it is very ludicrous to assume something to be that simple. But you preach what Nanak taught lol Give up son.
Back to the Basics.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
if you agree that you are a simpleton then why dont you just shut up and let the rest of us figure it out?
jeevs182 2 years ago
have you ever tried thinking for yourself? give it a go, you might learn something.
jeevs182 2 years ago
Be careful who you call "Sant" What your "Sant" said is in no way "Sikhi" Guru Granth Sahib is Sikhi. NOWHERE DOES OUR GURU SAY TO KILL ANYONE FOR BURNING OUR BOOKS! Your words are like a terrorists' who has no respect or honor. War comes last. If our Gurus fought every time they were provoked they would have never been recognized as Gurus. Don''t be stupid and spread more hate.
jaketapes75 2 years ago
learn some history before u start preaching.
Read about how The 10th guru dealt with the massands who had become corrupt.
They were put in a well, oil thrown on them and burnt alive.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
Then why do I need to explain myself? Why do these people call for blood they have no authority to call over? Why am I casted the "anti-Sikh" for speaking what it is?
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
maybe.....because...your....a... hindu.
Listen pehari raja, sikhs do not follow bakri chakreh ideology of gandhi. SIkhs follow the teachings of the 10th master.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
Lmao! You simpleton, despite everything I said, THAT's the only Conclusion you deduced? With the previous post, you nearly had me. I almost thought you used ACTUAL insight oh well! No where does the 10th Master say KILL because you can. No where.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
@Ak47Jatha Don't forget the 9 before him as well. We must follow the teachings of all 10 gurus.
00lallj 1 year ago
we all have the authority to call for blood. we have been given the authority by the 10the master. IT is also our moral obligation to seek justice.
For a sikh to not seek justice is a sin.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
That's the thing you DON'T, if that were the Case, you have no right to judge a jihadi or a suicide bomber. Technically speaking, they're doing the "right thing", according to you at least. Seeking justice does not mean blood vengeance. Btw, it is ALSO a SIN for killing people you have absolutely no judgment over.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
Your barking like a mad old dog. And every1 knows how to deal with a mad old dog thats past it...
take it out the back and put 1 in its head.
so stop barking now.
Badaa aiya maharaja...
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
Lol, Is that more interesting stuff you got outta this religion? or has Islamic Extremism starting to appeal to you more? you know the *magic* words before you pull the strings son ;)
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
I think your in the wrong religion. Any1 who sits round not bothered when their guru is burned, is not a sikh. Your views are no longer welcome here.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
Lol, I never said I _WASN'T_. However, my friend, the only person that's clearly confused is you :). Demanding blood where you have no authority, killing in the name of religion for 'justifications of vengeance', under an alias of weapons most commonly affiliated with Terrorists. How sure are you? Sometimes, to the untrained eye, a mosque could be mistaken as a gurudwara... *it happens*
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
I did not make a shocking revelation by calling for blood. I only re-inforced what was already said by the Guru, then said again by Sant Bhindranwalle. I re-conveyed the same message. U can hear it from sant ji yourself...listen to the video. Those who burn saroops are to be killed he said. I am on board with that and in complete agreement with that. if u disagree then u disagree with sikhi.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
You did. You directly Said so, oh simpleton. This is a RELIGION OF TOLERANCE. Back to the Basics!
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
Thank you for proving my point. It's clear the Leaders have failed us for the new youth to accept this Vengeance ideology. It's acceptable so long as it's in a the proper frame of reference, not what they taught us. And for people to compare 2 absolutely different periods of time is simply wrong.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
Sikh ideology remains unchanged from the day it came into existence. Nor is truth changed over time.
Even if different pereiods of time are compared, truth still remains unchanged. Miri Piri concept remains unchanged.
The Guru's message remains unchanged.
Also sikhs were instructed to raise the sword as a last resort, that also remains unchanged.
Sin was a sin then and now.
A good deed was a good dead then and now, Regardless of TIme. God's message is not subject to time.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
Its Funny How If A Church Or Mosque Got Burnt It Will Be On The News Everywhere But When Its Something To Do With A Gurdhwara Its Never Important, What Is Someone Getiing Out Of This Nothing. Its Still Unbelievable Of The Amount Of Cold Hearted People There Are In This World, Especially To Ruin Our Community Like This. Its Not Fair At All!
xKIHeart 2 years ago
Why did this not reach the national news?! If this was a church, synagogue or even a MOSQUE; there would be headlines left right and centre, every national nespaper, radio and t.v. show. But just because we are sikhs who choose not to raise our voice in oppsotition to others beliefs and the fact we respect all other peoples' beliefs our own are ignored and such a crime is nothing to the people of not only Britain but the world!
chillchild3012 2 years ago 3
waheguru... waheguru...
Satinaam Shri Waheguru Bole
Waheguru Boley, Kuday Na Doley
GurmiLovesKirtan 2 years ago
sikhi will shine forever and will get the true value of the gurbani the understanding, teach, respect, and the truth. of the rightouse man who follow pure sikhi full in full out bol the' solney hal sat sri akal it time to respect and follow..
undakuvaz 2 years ago 3
yo, maharaj, u said "lmao" why?? did i wrirte sumthin funny?? how do you no a mughal might have done it.. i was just trying to use that as an example of how big the Guru Granth Sahib Ji is.and yeah Singhs always take there badla, make no mistake.ram rahim singh is dead to.due time.. keep watchin. we were given arms by Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji, and Guru Gobind Singh Ji, they are not for show,if youve got a problem with wats been wrote here,then dont come here.. simple. all the singhs keep it real.
421217 2 years ago
I don't know if it's more funny or sad, this ideology you preach. Did the guru's call this badla? missed point. The only problem i have is you making these rules we DON'T believe in and matters you have NO right to judge on. Which, is wrong for you to mention their names.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
When the guru and a band of 40 sikhs were surrounded in the mud fort of chamkaur by an army of 100,000 enemies.... The enemy chief shouted an order for the sikhs to surrender and come out of the fort..... The GUru at that point responded with a Hail of Arrows. That was the guru's response.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
That's relevant to Vengeance how?
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
When the massands turned the Gurdwaras into a corrupt place and started indulging in evil activities for their own pleasures, they were dealt with.
Guru dealt with them by throwing them down a well and burning them. Hows that for vengence? This was done to preserve righteousness.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
how cxould any1 burn down the most important sikh temples. what cums around goes around.
xoxsunitaxox95 2 years ago 2
how dare any1 touch gods house with cruel evil minds those hu did will definately pay because no religion deserves to be treated lyk that
SoULja51NGH 2 years ago 2
Sikhs should not seek revenge. Seeking revenge is a selfish act which will only serve to please oneself. The battles that the Sikhs fought in Mughal times were not in revenge for what they did 2 our faith, they were battles to protect and save humanity from opression. We are meant to be serving and protecting humanity. The arsonist should be punished to the full extent of british law... God will provide a fitting punishmnt.
00lallj 2 years ago 3
Thank You for using the Sikh religion for REAL insight. +1
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
Maharaja, your anti sikh views have no bearing on Sikh matters.
Your way is to sit around with girls bangles on.
Our way (sikh way) is to seek justice and take action. we have no quarrell with you.
We will seek justice and have the head off the culprit.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
Not only is that far from the truth, but plain ludicrous lol. I'm merely pointing your NON Sikh justifications in seeking a Vengeance we don't believe in lol. Seek justice does NOT mean killing over a matter. You have no authority or position to call this. Sikhs DON'T believe in that, but you're a Sikh, you already knew that. Right?
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
this is a message to the owner of this video please could you disable text commenst as many people begin to slander over a video that is dedicated to faith please WJK WJKF
26KD 2 years ago
why do you believe this is a living guru? at what stage did it become the guru? when it was just paper and ink it didnt matter, at what exact point does this book become something that you can kill over?
jeevs182 2 years ago
why didnt your god stop this from happening?
jeevs182 2 years ago
When did thismactually happend?
ISD782 2 years ago
a real sikh, would rather watch his house burn, than Watch the Guru Granth Sahib Ji Burn, thats the diffrence between the pure khalsa, and the fakes that just wanna argue bout everything. (Big Up AK47 - i feel ur pain bruv) ALL THE FAKERZ, REALISE HOW BIG THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI IS. do ardas that people who commit these crimes, are finished off. dont worry the time will come. maharaj kirpa karan. (dont get me wrong, cuz ima fake maself) i hope akal purkh blesses me aswel..
421217 2 years ago 2
Lmao, because the mughul's did This right?
It actually pains me, you throwing all this history of which you obviously never applied to your own life lol. A real Sikh wouldn't stop his life over a sin Sikh's call Vengeance, of which you are fully implying. You can be the most "pure sikh" but what good is that unless you don't apply it to your life? Waste of time.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
if u ever look at a picture of Guru Gobind Singh Ji,u will notice,that they always have light around there head. When Guru Gobind Singh Ji left the earth,maharaj bowed infront of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. and that light from maharajs head went and put itself around the Guru Granth Sahib Ji.the Guru Granth Sahib Ji,is the living guru for sikhs and humanity. it is the truth for start to finish,it cant be faulted,(its like searching for edges, on a circle) SAB SIKHAN KO HUKAM HAI GURU MANEYO GRANTH
421217 2 years ago
go. But Guru Gobind Singh Ji could hear his thorts, Maharaj Ji got on the neela khora, and flew over to his tent. maharaj ji called him out. zaid khan said "who is it" maharaj ji said "its the person your thinking about" when zaid khan came out of his tent he looked at Guru Gobind Singh Ji Once, and fell on his knees. he startd to cry, he couldnt look up at maharaj. (cuz Guru Gobind Singh Ji had that much radiance power and light around his face, hes sooo beautifull.
421217 2 years ago
Once, singhs were goin to battle with the mughals, when nite fell, the singhs set up camp to rest and the mughals set up camp to rest. a man called zaid khan was the man who was leading the muslims in to battle. And on the Singhs side it was Guru Gobind Singh Ji who was leading the singhs into battle. when zaid khan (who was a big strong man)had set up his tent, he was lying inside it thinking "why do people big big up Guru Gobind Singh Ji, wait till he comes infront of me ill finish him of in
421217 2 years ago
the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, is the only divine light, which has been wriiten by the gurus themselves. no other relegion was wrote by anybody, they were all written after by manmadhs. Guru Angad Dev Ji Maharahj himself slept on the floor and put the Guru Granth Sahib Ji On a bed. waheguru. Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj bowed in front of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji when this world comes to an end, the only light left will be the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Every human being will have to bow before it.
421217 2 years ago
disgusting.
i am speechless.
how unfortunate that people will read your stating that you will gladly kill someone and then think this is what sikhi is about.
i have nothing left to say to you.
jeevs182 2 years ago
AND nor do i have anything left to say to you!!!
im disgusted by someone who says he was born in a "sikh" household, yet would allow his guru to burn without seeking justice against the arsonist.
I have nothing left to say to you.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
who decided that he is a saint?
you talking about raising the word, let me ask you this. given the option, if you were in the room with him, would you find it in yourself to kill him?
would you actually take this mans life and then say your religion has given you license to do so?
this arsonist is not the mughals, is not an army, it was someone who doesnt know what sikhs are because he targetted the wrong place.
if this person lives it will not stop sikhi
jeevs182 2 years ago
If u study his life, and see how much selfless service he did for mankind, then any unbiased mind would agree he is a saint in every definition of the word. Sikhs call him sant based on guru granth sahib teachings about the qualities of a sant.
I would glady have killed the arsonist if it meant saving the guru. We are mere dust in gurus presence.
your right about 1 thing, it will not stop sikhi cuz guru has said raj kareha khalsa.
But sacrilage is a tool of terror, and he will pay.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
The arsonist were not mughals, correct. However both use tools of terror. I dont care mughal or not, sacrilage is a tool of terror. If this person lives then what have sikhs become? A sikh that does not protect his father or seek retribution when his spiritual father is attacked...... does he have the right to call himself sikh?
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
what slavery? what are you talking about?
and if he would want this man killed because of this then yes he is wrong, wrong as you are.
what benifit would the world have from the murder of this man?
you speak from anger, not from logic.
you are embarrasing sikh people, shat up !
jeevs182 2 years ago
It is a sin to malign saints.
The world would benefit from there being 1 less racist arsonist in the world. I do not speak from anger. I speak from word of god. Its also evident that if sikhs did not kill the mughals in the sikh resistance movement, then the whole of present day India would of been forcefully converted to Islam. The turk oppression was halted and stopped in its tracks by sikhs raising the sword... realise that.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
@jeevs182 I think your nothing but a coward first of all a man sent a gurdwara on fire with people inside he risked the lives of scores of people inside a fact you seem to over look. Do you know what a mass murderer is?
EliteEstablishment 1 year ago
@EliteEstablishment i'm a coward for not wanting to murder someone? then so be it.
jeevs182 1 year ago
@jeevs182 who said anything about you murdering someone?
EliteEstablishment 1 year ago
ak47 what you mean its not up for debate?
what authority are you to prevent men of intelect to have discussion?
this is not some fuct up backwards country like iran <well to be fair i dont know where your from.
point is the sikhs are the champions of the free and i have no doubt that if the gurus were alive they would be the first ones to say that this young misguided twat who burnt down the place does not deserve to be killed over it.
jeevs182 2 years ago
what nonsense are u jibbering? There is no negotiations with people who burn Saroops. Sant Bhindranwalle also said this and openly enouraged punishing those responsible. So if u disagree then u are against the greatest martyr in the last quatre century. So tell me , do i still sound islamic now? or do u sound hindu? Think it over.
We practice forgiveness and love/compassion. But also seek justice in times of its need. IF u want to take slavery off our necks then we have to take action.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
The dude's right. This is was no crime against religion.
"such hypocrites."
couldn't agree with you more.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
The fate of the culprits is not up for DEBATE. They will burn. If want to protect them then do so at your own peril. If anyone phsyically protects them then they shall burn with them. Choose your destiny. SIkhs allways get their man. Look at history and realise that.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
If you read my comment simpleton, than you would know that I said. You keep implying a Hell Sikhs do not believe in at all. Sikhs do NOT believe in vendetta at all, infact it's a Sin. Look at the scripture and realise that.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
people like you are why the wider society sometimes confuses us with islamic extreamists.
jeevs182 2 years ago
..and people like you are the reason why nothing hardly ever gets done in sikhi nowadays. your gandhi/bakhri mentality is a major setback to the sikh movement.
Your not willing to raise a sword yourself, but worse thing is you encourage others against it. jammeh kanu sikhan deh ghareh? why was u born in a sikh household?
Its a big sin to aquire weapons and kill an innocent. but a greater sin to possess weapons and not seek justice . quote from sant bhindranwalle himself.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
yeah im from a sikh household
and raise a sword to what?
what will anyone gain from this man being killed?
you stupid violent retard.
reasons like you are why no one listens to religion anymore.
jeevs182 2 years ago
from your comments it seems to me you have completely lost the miri piri concept. SGGS ji, are the only true guru in this world (that is if you have sikh beliefs). you are clearly not a sikh, if all sikhs were like you there would be no sikhism today. how can you not seek revenge when someone has just attacked guru sahib. when there is hardship, that's when people show their true colours. i can't believe you just called yourself a sikh.
fiorentinaviola03 2 years ago
"how can you not seek revenge"
Yeah, you completely shat on the main thing this religion taught, and you say I'm no Sikh. lol
Oh simpleton, it is because of people like you Sikhism is the way it is today. Just a Phase, with no real application whatsoever. As a matter of fact throughout all the guru's lives, none were DIRECTLY avenged. So where does you vengeance come form?
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
you idiot, im talkin about. sikhism,. what did guru hargobind singh ji teach us, and start, "the concept of mirri pirri". thats what eventually lead to creation of khalsa by 10th guru ji. the reason for this was to fight injustice and to start a army to fight injustice. this army was called khalsa. if your house was burnt with your father inside would you have let it happen and do nothing. you would seek justice. ai bro don't take this personally. but ai seriously man get a life.
fiorentinaviola03 2 years ago
You still did not answer my question, Where does your Vengeance come from? So, what right does THIS give you kill in the name of religion? I don't take that comment personally, but I think you should really absorb the main concept of the religion you speak of. FYI, for you to compare the burning of my home to Guru Arjun Dev Ji's torture, you must lack some serious understanding. Shed Ye with light
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
ai dude im not comparing your house burning with guru arjan dev ji's torture, what i said was "if your house was burnt with your father inside would you have let it happen and do nothing". from this statement how did you relate it to the torture of guru arjan dev ji. i didn't say that khalsa was army of vengeance. it was a army to fight for injustice's.
fiorentinaviola03 2 years ago
But you define injustice along the same lines of revenge.
"how can you not seek revenge when someone has just attacked guru sahib"
hence you, and sadly everybody else, implying it's ok to kill- so long as situations like this make it so. That is where I draw my comparison. You preach the ideology they downplayed. Simple son.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
injustice is a primary motive to revenge, you see "injustice is aroused by the provocation of another person......the sense of injustice is a response to a percieved harm or wrongdoing by another party.....it is this provocation that elicit's the passion, which motivates the revenge( Tripp & Bies, 1997) And (Bies & Tripp, 1996) this is according to factual studies.
fiorentinaviola03 2 years ago
Then what are you waiting for? Go, raise your sword.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
percieved harm or wrongdoing
as history has taught us, Perception can go a longggggg way. But you proved my point.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
well, are you trying to say that the attack on the gurdwara was not a wrongdoing. well in my eye's it is. what are you trying to say that it was just and fair, that this guy can come in and burn the gurdwara and guru sahib's beeda inside it. man look i know there are some people out there who think like you. maybe to you this was not perceived to be a wrongdoing or harmful to you. but to me it is, just like it is to alot of people who are commenting on here.
fiorentinaviola03 2 years ago
No, I'm saying for YOU to seek blood in this matter is not only wrong, but Sinful. You preach this _REVENGE_ ideology (which our Folks specifically taught us not to). If that's the message you got, then you completely missed the main point of this Religion. Any crime is wrong doing, but EVERY crime is not justifiable via vengeance.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
Does it look like im talking about Islam?
Oh, Btw. Miri and Piri is "Higher leader and Spiritual High leader" which Guru Hargboind singh took apon himself. No correlation there, unless you believe it was the Army of Vengeance lol. If so, please stop there.
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
hello
i am sorry for the long delay in response i hadnt actually realised you had sent me a reply until just now
just to clarify i come from a sikh background but i dont consider myself a sikh.
i understand the anger and the offence this has caused but the world has come ......
jeevs182 2 years ago
to far to allow people to take human life in exchange for a book.
if we were to do that then how could we stop anybody demanding death for anyone damaging any holy book?
at the end of the day god isnt real, if religious people want to privately worship thats up to them but we can let their superstitious irrational and illogical ideas over flow into the rational world where intellegence and logic is the basis for legality.
jeevs182 2 years ago
I did not make a shocking revelation by calling for blood. I only re-inforced what was already said by the Guru, then said again by Sant Bhindranwalle. I re-conveyed the same message. U can hear it from sant ji yourself...listen to the video. Those who burn saroops are to be killed he said. I am on board with that and in complete agreement with that. if u disagree then u disagree with sikhi.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
once again, if you took the time to read what i wrote or even if you had the sense to understand, you will see what im trying to say is that we cannot allow religious people to influence the reality in the sense of punishment need be based on laws as opposed to spiritual belief that cannot be trusted tested confirmed etc.
if whoever burnt the books said they were doing so in accordance with their own religious belief would it still be a crime in your eyes?
jeevs182 2 years ago
Oh, of all the bull shit i have seen on this page, you're the only one that even spoke the real truth. and you don't even believe lol. Religion has killed more people than it has "saved". Nobody follows what they were TOLD to do. Love man, Love life, Live honestly. Oh well!
MaHaRaJaH 2 years ago
thanks dude
independant thought is the at the root of all logic
jeevs182 2 years ago
oh and i happily disagree with sikhi, ill disagree all day long. this is the sheer ignorance of religion, a single view point that cannot be changed regardless of how the world evolves or the multitude of possibilities that presents itself.
this is the exactly reason why all men of logic define their own states law in accordance with intellect and distance themselves from religion,
to put it simply
can you prove your god is even real?
jeevs182 2 years ago
@jeevs182 how bout u shut da fuk up u dikheddd
skilledalexman 1 year ago
@skilledalexman ok. in exchange will you learn how to spell?
jeevs182 1 year ago
dumbass, if you knew anything about sikhism you would know that the message and the meaning are the important part, not the books themselves, the message doesnt burn by fire. but it does when people that claim to be part of it, like yourself, display such stupidity and violence.
sikhism doesnt encourage someone getting killed for this?
if god was real why did he allow this to happen?
you crazy
jeevs182 2 years ago
such hypocrites.
can anyone display where in sikhism it will state that death would be an adequet punishment for burning the book?
yes i said book. no its not a living thing.
jeevs182 2 years ago
listen here jeevs, i dont know if your a christian or muslim or whatever, but it clearly shows thats the difference between our religions and why ours is so respectful and amazing. the saroops arent books you prick, they carry the words passed down from god to our Guru's that have been provided to us. maybe you drink wine or eat sum halal meast while you read your "books" but ours is more than that u complete idiot!
mahalwala 2 years ago
read below
jeevs182 2 years ago
WJKK WJKF
a message to the culprits.. when u r found you will be killed..there is no forgiveness in burning a saroop of maharaj sahib..you will only recieve death from us.
KHALISTAN ZINDABAD
RAJ KEREGA KHALSA
WJKK WJKF
khalistanikharkoo 2 years ago
KILL THE FUCKER WHO DID IT
sexyjatti666 2 years ago 6
dear sikhs. i hope you find out and who are the culprits
suspect. dark or mixed race man?
forzaitalia2 2 years ago 4
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You sound just like the tw@t who burned your books. Why don't you just help the police find the culprit so they can be tried and punished by the law.
jollyboble 2 years ago
It was not "books", it is our eternal guru and our father. God forbid, if your father was burned, then u would also seek justice in the same mannor as many sikhs do. The justice system will only put him in prison...
Compared to what the sikhs are gonna do to the culprit....prison will be heaven for him. He will be punished.
Ak47Jatha 2 years ago
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...punished by the law. The UK law. The UK law as set down in our democratic country that works by it's citizens obeying the law. If u want to live here; obey the laws. We're all sorry about the books or whatever it was.
jollyboble 2 years ago
the guy will be burnt and we will graffiti on his body
gu81singh 2 years ago
I'm not Sikh, but this is dispicable. My condolences in this time of despair.
Tniggz 2 years ago 9
f....kn cowerds ma da doodh pita hai te ..face a singh (SHER) in an open field and then we'll see ...KERA JAM PAYA SURMA.....
ibsingh 2 years ago
stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupid terrorists!!!!!
Xbadboy360X 2 years ago
this is a big WAKE UP CALL...SINGHS WAKE UP!
ssnutters 2 years ago 4
"Sikhs vow that this act of terror will be punished by death.
Once the Culprit / Culprits are found out, they will burn in the same mannor for this sacrilage. "
How upstanding. Way to dissociate Sikhism from mindless violence...oh wait.
ranz0u 2 years ago
you clearly arent sikh, if your father/mother the most precious thing to you on earth was set on fire, was burned would you not want revenge?
This is now on the mind of thousands of Sikhs in UK, and millions aboard... something we cant forgive.
darkstarvibes 2 years ago
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ranz0u 2 years ago
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No, let's speak of this in absolute terms (not comparing scriptures to people, because they're not).
You're attempting to justify the execution of a criminal, who has not physically injured a person. I don't care how important your beliefs are to you, nobody can justify the killing of another human being for this sort of crime.
Encouraging 'revenge' (instead of letting the law deal with it) is despicable - you're doing more harm than good to the image of Sikhism.
ranz0u 2 years ago
only concern yourself with the truth behind the fire.
tokri3 2 years ago
thats actually bare upsetting
misharma 2 years ago
RAJ KAREGHA KHALSA!!!
desiheadshot 2 years ago 2
i am quwit saddend bout thiz somting sould b done!
littleprincss101 2 years ago
Its time to unite brothers ....find out who did this and fight with all means available. All committee gurdwara's need to be informed that us Sikhs will not tolerate this and we are ready to take armed action against the culprits and their gang/organisation
darkstarvibes 2 years ago
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darkstarvibes 2 years ago
WoW, :( sucha sad video :( ,, well done to whoever made the video (Y), took time and effort. Justice Will Be Done
AmanSohal09 2 years ago
Wicked video bruv! Justice will be done!
ASouljaDude 2 years ago
justice wil b dne!
ssnutters 2 years ago
im with u on that 1 mate
sikhsoldier001 2 years ago 3
i swear whoever dopne it i will fuckin kill them nd i dont even give a crap if i go to jail\ or anything
xluvsanya 2 years ago 4