He is a weak president, he should have not consulted the church or other religious or secular organization as they should have NO saying about how the state should rule or mandate itself.
Bill of rights section 5 . No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion,….
Bro, palala lang, hindi tama na i-interpret ang bible sa sarili mo lang kasi hindi sa pinas ang setting dyan. may words or figure of speech dyan na iba ang meaning sa jewish tradition compared sa ating tradition. Ilang taon yang pinag aralan ng mga bible scholars at hangang ngayon they are still on debate.
kapatid, saan mo naman natutunan yan na may other biological brothers si Jesus? Thats the danger sometimes of understanding by our own self. I accept this is one of the shortcomings of the Catholic Church, educating the people about the bible.
"kapatid, saan mo naman natutunan yan na may other biological brothers si Jesus?"
(Matthew 1:24-25)"Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And KNEW HER NOT ( didn't have sexual contact) until she had brought forth her Firstborn Son Unang anak): and he called His name, Jesus!"
(Matthew 13:55)"Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?"
Yan kasi ang problema sa mga Katoliko hindi kayo nagbabasa ng Bibila. If you just read the Bible you'll discover na maraming Doctrina ng Simabahang Katolika ang labag at kontra sa mga turo ni Jesus. The reason why the Cahtolic Church is denying the obvious fact that Mary had other children is because they want to present her as an Everlasting "Virgin" and a person who was born devoid of original sin which is not even Biblical.
kayong mga pro rh bill , puro kayo cge go niyo ean, kung may Diyos kau hindi niyo ean kayang sabhin dahil ayaw ni Jesus yan pero ang tanong ko bakit ginugusto nio pa din ipush ean eh samantalang ayaw ng Diyos? wag replyan ang message na to kung walang diyos, mga believers lang ang kinakausap ko .
Kailan ba sinabi ng Diyos sa'yo na ayaw niya sa RH Bill? Di ba ayun sa turo ng Katoliko si Jesus lang ang naging "unico hijo" ni Maria? So that means pati pala ang magasawang Mary at Joseph ay naniniwala din sa Family Planning.
@TeeJoe18 mali ka po, dahil after Jesus may sumunod siyang mga kapatid, James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas. may sumunod din babae kaso sabe sa bible hindi ito pinangalanan at hindi sinabe ang bilang. Kailan ba sinabi ng Diyos sa'yo na ayaw niya sa RH Bill? magbasa ka ng bibliya, kung ayaw mo sige ituloy mo ang RH bill mo, para kalabanin mo ang Diyos.
I know that. That's why I specifically said "Ayun sa Turo ng Katoliko" because I came from a Catholic school and Catholic doctrine believes that Christ is the only son of Mary. Dahil sabi raw nila Mary remained a virgin up to her death.
Btw since I converted to Christianity (from Catholicism) I became a regural Bible reader and I couldn't find a verse that mentions that God is against the RH Bill. ANg kalaban ng Diyos ay yung murder (abortion) at hindi yung Contraception.
@TeeJoe18 ok, i am also a catholic but transferred as a Christian last 2010 , so i think we shoudnt debate and i will not give response again to prevent argue. thanks and Godbless
Kung labag sa Diyos ang Contraception, kung gayon ang lahat pala ng mga Pari't Madre ay kumakalaban na Diyos? Dahil ang "Vow of Celibacy" (abstinence) na iniobliga ng simbahang katolika sa kanila ay isa ring paraan ng Contraception or avoiding the act of Procreation.
@TeeJoe18 in the 1st place hindi inutos ng Diyos n wg magasawa, bagkus ay eto ang cnb n Paul 1cor 8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. kng ndi mo kaya magpari magasawa ka,simple lng nmn dba. contraception nmn tau - To the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. im not catho, but i understand them
I totally agee. That's why I fell na di tama ang giunawaga ng mga Katoliko na pinagbabawalan nila ang mga Pari't Madre ni wag magasawa. Yung sinabi ni Paul ay suggestion lang pero ginawang "obligation" ng simabahng katoliko ang hindi pagaasawa ng mga pri't madre nila. They are in fact misapplying what was said in that verse.
"To the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception."
- Ang sinabi lang ng Diyos diyan ay magiging mas mahirap o mas papahirapan ang babae sa pagbubuntis. Di naman niya sinabi na di pwedeng kontrolin ang dami ng anak. Look, if sex is soly just for the purpose of procreation, does that mean that a married couple should abstain from making love with eachother if they don't intend to have anymore children? How ironic is that?!!!
And if the only purpose of marriage is to bear children then people don't really need to get marriage at all. Marriage is suppose to be a union and a partnership between 2 individuals who love each other and are willing to spend there lives together, Bearing children is just part of married life and should not be it's only purpose.
Ang sinabi ni Paul sa 1 Cor 8 ay hindi utos kundi suggestion lamang. In fact marami sa mga alagad ni Kristo ay may mga asawa rin. Sa Katoliko naman ginawa nilang Complusory ang" Vow of Celibacy" sa lahat ng mga Pari't Madre which is kakontra sa tur ng mga Apostoles. In fact yan na mga diguro ang rason kung bakit maraming Pari ang may mga ellicit realtionships at ang iba nang rerape pa ng mga bata.
@kawasakifury bakit kaya ang Roma/Italy ay may RH bill na noon pang 70's...take note, nandun mismo ang Vatican at ang Santo Papa...bakit kaya ang CBCP kung makapagsalita talo pa ang Vatican? Bakit hindi muna sa Italy sila mag-rally?
@jmdarcega hindi nmn representasyon ng teritoryo ng isang relihiyon ang kalakaran ng isang bansa eh, dahil anu paman ay separate padin ang simabahan at politika. ang cbcp ginagawa lng nila ang mkakaya nila para pigilan ang rh bill dahil kahit sang part sa bible mo tignan eh ndi talaga pwede sa Diyos ang rh bill. Sa mata ng tao tama ito, pero sa Diyos ay hindi, para sakin mas susundin ko ang utos ng diyos kesa sa ideya ng tao ang RH bill
halatang hindi masyado clear sa knila ang totoong nilalaman ng RH bill tsk.. . alala ko pa dati sa isang homily, sabi ni father wag laging anak ng anak kung hindi nio naman kaya buhayin ang pamilya mo.. . then eto my RH bill na tutulong ma.educate ang responsible parenthood, ang simbahan naman ang umaayaw tsk! wag nalang sila UMEPAL kung wala naman clang gagawing hakbang panu masolusyonan ang prblema ng PILIPINAS.. .
We're not losing hope on Pnoy! The CBCP is showing weakness and defeat. Their only choice now is campaign on personal attacks to all RH supporters starting with the president. They are Satans using the name of God.
Look at how they attack Risa Hontiveros. Calling her all names and using her in homilies to drive mass goers out of the church.
For the church to drive the Pro RH away from the Church means rejection of this religion. Philippines will be a less Catholic nation in 2011!!
hindi naman ibig sabihin na if na-implement doon eh tama yan at pumayag ang Pope.
When Jesus was was asked by the pharisees on why Moses allowed divorce during his time, He said because of the hardness of their hearts. So at this time also, if ma implement man yan, its the hardness of the heart of RH Bill supporters, and not because it is right.
Italy had their RH Bill during the 70's...nandun pa ang Pope. Pero bakit ang Pilipinas hindi pwede? Kung pro-life talaga ang Catholic church eh di sana nagra-rally din sila sa Roma...CBCP is clearly different and even contrary to the Vatican.
Im not pro-catholics, PNOY should remember that his OWN PARENTS were able raise him and his other siblings well and I believe without the guidance of the RH BILL. THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE PARENTS I SUPPOSE. AS FAR AS MORALITY IS CONCERN, CBCP IS RIGHT THERE TO REACT. IT IS NOT PAKIKIALAM, HINDI KAHAT NG LEGAL AY MORAL AND HINDI LAHAT NG MORAL AY LEGAL!
@drahcirvillez tama po yan subalit hindi lahat ng parents ay kagaya ng kai ninoy. maging open minded na po tayu ngaun. Personally, i never cared about this issue b4 but as i grow older na realized ko na if gusto ng tao mabago ang bansa natin, dpt solusyonan ang main problem ng bansa which is overpopulation. nakakapanghinayang lang GF ko korean, her grandparents told her how rich the philippines was pero dhil sa overpopulation at kurakot ng mga politicians naghihirap tayu ngaun. I suport Pnoy! :)
He is a weak president, he should have not consulted the church or other religious or secular organization as they should have NO saying about how the state should rule or mandate itself.
Bill of rights section 5 . No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion,….
RomeoAlphonso 1 month ago
INUTIL!
gennak2200 2 months ago
So, is he protestant, born again, ADD or what?
jonlim75 9 months ago
@jonlim75 Satan's successor
gennak2200 2 months ago
Bro hindi tama ang pagjudge na maraming doctrina sa Catholic Church na labag at kontra sa turo ni Jesus. Ilang years kana bang nagbasa ng bible?
Kung ganyan daig mo pa ang bible scholars, at leaders ng Catholic church.
jonlim75 10 months ago
@jonlim75 jesus was not even catholic
FiIipinoUnggoy 10 months ago
Bro, palala lang, hindi tama na i-interpret ang bible sa sarili mo lang kasi hindi sa pinas ang setting dyan. may words or figure of speech dyan na iba ang meaning sa jewish tradition compared sa ating tradition. Ilang taon yang pinag aralan ng mga bible scholars at hangang ngayon they are still on debate.
jonlim75 10 months ago
So this is your supporting text that Jesus has other biological brethren?
(Matthew 13:55)"Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?"
Bro, saan dyan na nagsabi that Mary is the mother of James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Another thing pag tawagin ba kitang brother ibig bang sabihin kapatid tayo sa dugo? Ang babaw naman.
jonlim75 10 months ago
@kawasakifury ,
kapatid, saan mo naman natutunan yan na may other biological brothers si Jesus? Thats the danger sometimes of understanding by our own self. I accept this is one of the shortcomings of the Catholic Church, educating the people about the bible.
jonlim75 10 months ago
@jonlim75,
"kapatid, saan mo naman natutunan yan na may other biological brothers si Jesus?"
(Matthew 1:24-25)"Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And KNEW HER NOT ( didn't have sexual contact) until she had brought forth her Firstborn Son Unang anak): and he called His name, Jesus!"
(Matthew 13:55)"Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?"
TeeJoe18 10 months ago
@jonlim75,
Yan kasi ang problema sa mga Katoliko hindi kayo nagbabasa ng Bibila. If you just read the Bible you'll discover na maraming Doctrina ng Simabahang Katolika ang labag at kontra sa mga turo ni Jesus. The reason why the Cahtolic Church is denying the obvious fact that Mary had other children is because they want to present her as an Everlasting "Virgin" and a person who was born devoid of original sin which is not even Biblical.
TeeJoe18 10 months ago
@jonlim75,
And sabi lang sa Bible "Jesus is the only begotten son of God". It doesn't say "Jesus was the only begotten son of Mary".
TeeJoe18 10 months ago
kayong mga pro rh bill , puro kayo cge go niyo ean, kung may Diyos kau hindi niyo ean kayang sabhin dahil ayaw ni Jesus yan pero ang tanong ko bakit ginugusto nio pa din ipush ean eh samantalang ayaw ng Diyos? wag replyan ang message na to kung walang diyos, mga believers lang ang kinakausap ko .
kawasakifury 10 months ago
@kawasakifury,
Kailan ba sinabi ng Diyos sa'yo na ayaw niya sa RH Bill? Di ba ayun sa turo ng Katoliko si Jesus lang ang naging "unico hijo" ni Maria? So that means pati pala ang magasawang Mary at Joseph ay naniniwala din sa Family Planning.
TeeJoe18 10 months ago
@TeeJoe18 mali ka po, dahil after Jesus may sumunod siyang mga kapatid, James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas. may sumunod din babae kaso sabe sa bible hindi ito pinangalanan at hindi sinabe ang bilang. Kailan ba sinabi ng Diyos sa'yo na ayaw niya sa RH Bill? magbasa ka ng bibliya, kung ayaw mo sige ituloy mo ang RH bill mo, para kalabanin mo ang Diyos.
kawasakifury 10 months ago
@kawasakifury,
I know that. That's why I specifically said "Ayun sa Turo ng Katoliko" because I came from a Catholic school and Catholic doctrine believes that Christ is the only son of Mary. Dahil sabi raw nila Mary remained a virgin up to her death.
Btw since I converted to Christianity (from Catholicism) I became a regural Bible reader and I couldn't find a verse that mentions that God is against the RH Bill. ANg kalaban ng Diyos ay yung murder (abortion) at hindi yung Contraception.
TeeJoe18 10 months ago
@TeeJoe18 ok, i am also a catholic but transferred as a Christian last 2010 , so i think we shoudnt debate and i will not give response again to prevent argue. thanks and Godbless
kawasakifury 10 months ago
@kawasakifury,
Kung labag sa Diyos ang Contraception, kung gayon ang lahat pala ng mga Pari't Madre ay kumakalaban na Diyos? Dahil ang "Vow of Celibacy" (abstinence) na iniobliga ng simbahang katolika sa kanila ay isa ring paraan ng Contraception or avoiding the act of Procreation.
TeeJoe18 10 months ago
@TeeJoe18 in the 1st place hindi inutos ng Diyos n wg magasawa, bagkus ay eto ang cnb n Paul 1cor 8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. kng ndi mo kaya magpari magasawa ka,simple lng nmn dba. contraception nmn tau - To the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. im not catho, but i understand them
kawasakifury 10 months ago
@kawasakifury,
I totally agee. That's why I fell na di tama ang giunawaga ng mga Katoliko na pinagbabawalan nila ang mga Pari't Madre ni wag magasawa. Yung sinabi ni Paul ay suggestion lang pero ginawang "obligation" ng simabahng katoliko ang hindi pagaasawa ng mga pri't madre nila. They are in fact misapplying what was said in that verse.
TeeJoe18 10 months ago
@kawasakifury,
"To the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception."
- Ang sinabi lang ng Diyos diyan ay magiging mas mahirap o mas papahirapan ang babae sa pagbubuntis. Di naman niya sinabi na di pwedeng kontrolin ang dami ng anak. Look, if sex is soly just for the purpose of procreation, does that mean that a married couple should abstain from making love with eachother if they don't intend to have anymore children? How ironic is that?!!!
TeeJoe18 10 months ago
@kawasakifury ,
And if the only purpose of marriage is to bear children then people don't really need to get marriage at all. Marriage is suppose to be a union and a partnership between 2 individuals who love each other and are willing to spend there lives together, Bearing children is just part of married life and should not be it's only purpose.
TeeJoe18 10 months ago
@kawasakifury,
Ang sinabi ni Paul sa 1 Cor 8 ay hindi utos kundi suggestion lamang. In fact marami sa mga alagad ni Kristo ay may mga asawa rin. Sa Katoliko naman ginawa nilang Complusory ang" Vow of Celibacy" sa lahat ng mga Pari't Madre which is kakontra sa tur ng mga Apostoles. In fact yan na mga diguro ang rason kung bakit maraming Pari ang may mga ellicit realtionships at ang iba nang rerape pa ng mga bata.
TeeJoe18 10 months ago
@kawasakifury bakit kaya ang Roma/Italy ay may RH bill na noon pang 70's...take note, nandun mismo ang Vatican at ang Santo Papa...bakit kaya ang CBCP kung makapagsalita talo pa ang Vatican? Bakit hindi muna sa Italy sila mag-rally?
jmdarcega 10 months ago
@jmdarcega hindi nmn representasyon ng teritoryo ng isang relihiyon ang kalakaran ng isang bansa eh, dahil anu paman ay separate padin ang simabahan at politika. ang cbcp ginagawa lng nila ang mkakaya nila para pigilan ang rh bill dahil kahit sang part sa bible mo tignan eh ndi talaga pwede sa Diyos ang rh bill. Sa mata ng tao tama ito, pero sa Diyos ay hindi, para sakin mas susundin ko ang utos ng diyos kesa sa ideya ng tao ang RH bill
kawasakifury 10 months ago
@jmdarcega Ang pope wala po sa ROMA/ITALY... independent sate po ang vatican. At hindi sakop ng batas na ito ang Vatican :)
drahcirvillez 9 months ago
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junkim1986 10 months ago
halatang hindi masyado clear sa knila ang totoong nilalaman ng RH bill tsk.. . alala ko pa dati sa isang homily, sabi ni father wag laging anak ng anak kung hindi nio naman kaya buhayin ang pamilya mo.. . then eto my RH bill na tutulong ma.educate ang responsible parenthood, ang simbahan naman ang umaayaw tsk! wag nalang sila UMEPAL kung wala naman clang gagawing hakbang panu masolusyonan ang prblema ng PILIPINAS.. .
arzie08 10 months ago
We're not losing hope on Pnoy! The CBCP is showing weakness and defeat. Their only choice now is campaign on personal attacks to all RH supporters starting with the president. They are Satans using the name of God.
Look at how they attack Risa Hontiveros. Calling her all names and using her in homilies to drive mass goers out of the church.
For the church to drive the Pro RH away from the Church means rejection of this religion. Philippines will be a less Catholic nation in 2011!!
jeansforjustice 10 months ago
@jmdarcega
hindi naman ibig sabihin na if na-implement doon eh tama yan at pumayag ang Pope.
When Jesus was was asked by the pharisees on why Moses allowed divorce during his time, He said because of the hardness of their hearts. So at this time also, if ma implement man yan, its the hardness of the heart of RH Bill supporters, and not because it is right.
jonlim75 10 months ago
Italy had their RH Bill during the 70's...nandun pa ang Pope. Pero bakit ang Pilipinas hindi pwede? Kung pro-life talaga ang Catholic church eh di sana nagra-rally din sila sa Roma...CBCP is clearly different and even contrary to the Vatican.
jmdarcega 10 months ago
Im not pro-catholics, PNOY should remember that his OWN PARENTS were able raise him and his other siblings well and I believe without the guidance of the RH BILL. THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE PARENTS I SUPPOSE. AS FAR AS MORALITY IS CONCERN, CBCP IS RIGHT THERE TO REACT. IT IS NOT PAKIKIALAM, HINDI KAHAT NG LEGAL AY MORAL AND HINDI LAHAT NG MORAL AY LEGAL!
drahcirvillez 10 months ago
@drahcirvillez tama po yan subalit hindi lahat ng parents ay kagaya ng kai ninoy. maging open minded na po tayu ngaun. Personally, i never cared about this issue b4 but as i grow older na realized ko na if gusto ng tao mabago ang bansa natin, dpt solusyonan ang main problem ng bansa which is overpopulation. nakakapanghinayang lang GF ko korean, her grandparents told her how rich the philippines was pero dhil sa overpopulation at kurakot ng mga politicians naghihirap tayu ngaun. I suport Pnoy! :)
junkim1986 10 months ago
Please do not generalize the CBCP! Don't speak bad words!
iyobido 10 months ago