It's above all ridiculous that he must almost apologize to her for his musical choice. There is not only a single way to understand, represent and feel the music (and the Art in general). She is trying to make him a miserable copy of her, Maria Pires number 2. I would never go to a masterclass when the professor has not respect for my ideas. I think the masterclass is useful only to improve the pure technical skills. Once you are technically ready, play the way you feel better.
@DesAbends As other, you have no idea what you are talking about. Learning piano is not about learning style or ideas, is about feeling. And all she does is helping him to feel and discover the music as she understands it. Later on, he will develop his own ideas. Your statement is pure hate speech.
i believe a tacher and a student need to be able to connect on a spiritual and emotional level..it is difficult to explain transcendal matters, interpretations with words...
the problem i see with the way maria joao pires is trying to explain things to her student, is that he cannot relate to those things she talks about...if someone talked to me this way i would probably get very frustrated and feel uncomfortable, i would feel invaded in my personal space..i respond to respectful serenity
not every teacher is right for every student..they have to connect, on a spiritual and emotional level, then they will understand each other, if that doesn't happen, it is better to look for a different coach, i guess nobody is perfect and in the end music is something very transcendent that words cannot easily explain..
Surely her manners aren't strictly "normal", but that should be no problem at all. Her approach isn't the most patient or delicate and her teachings are quite abstract, but they seem useful to me. Of course she can only express her views on the music, but I think she was trying to show the guy how to make the notes and phrases gain meaning and shape, without paying too much attention at each note. She didn't mock him, but criticized what he was doing. In a "normal" world that is nothing absurd.
I think Maria Jao Pires is a good pianist, but I must say I am not too convinced about her teaching here. I think sometimes she is a bit disrespectful to the students. I understand the guy in the start gets a bit frustrated, I would shurely be that too!
m joao pires is an amazing performer..and i understand what she is talking about, she wants the pianist to express something, to say something on the piano that makes sense..however, the way she talked to the student and tried to explain what she wanted to say must have had an extremely frustrating effect on him and he would probably have understood better what she was trying to say had she explained the concept beforehand..i have always hated interruptions when i studied piano
@peaceandjustice99 I have had a teacher like that - it doesn't help you to learn when they cannot articulate clearly what they think is wrong. If its just like "bla bla bla, feel, bla bla bla", then its really hard to understand how to put that into action.
maybe a good musician but horrendous teacher, she strips the young pianist of everything he had worked on in his imagination of the peice and then proceeded to tell him that it is wrong. because of her original interferance.
I agree with you on one level. On another level, technique is not a stagnant aspect of playing the piano, or any instrument, for that matter. The study of technique and how it relates to physical motions coordinated with sound, rhytym, shaping, facility (the list goes on and on) can go infinitely deep. Its not about technique being an issue that needs to be solved in my opinion, because it goes hand in hand with the music.
There is a thing such as verbally over teaching. She is doing this. Music need to have emotion (interpretation), yes, but there also needs to be taught the way to accomplish this technically. Instead of SO much getting the student to feel this or that, what about demonstrating on the piano exactly what she is wanting him to do. This manner of teaching is what J.S. Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Schumann, Brahms, and Franz Liszt did.
And just because she can play beautiful does not mean she has an intellectual basis for what she is saying. In that sense, she is ignorant (intellectually!) And as far as I'm concerned, how would you know if my brain and body aren't one entity? I'm willing to say that I've spent many years aligning the two in order to perform music. Every physical motion related to the score. "Be patient with yourself..nobody is perfect...good luck" I'm sorry wwnone but these are empty suggestions.
In what way did I not understand any of her statements? I understand them for what they were. She is a great artist and her playing is moving. But I think in terms of HOW she is conveying some of her ideas are not effective. As a teacher, in other words. Nothing she says is concrete to someone who doesn't feel things in such an instinctive way. I believe students need more information in order to understand such things. what is "flying like a bird" if you can't even move your fingers properly?
@Luisurbina93 Again, at this level technique sholuld no longer be an issue. It's assumed you have the technique. If not, I don't think the student should be taking masterclasses from performing artists.
This woman is rather ignorant. How can you say that the bar has "0 to do with the phrase?" Every aspect of music is important and works together in an integrated fashion. The phrase the composer writes is born from a sense of the beat. Even if it isn't a metric beat, the pulse gives the phrase structure and can never be lost. Its not just notes hanging in the air. And her advice of "getting nervous" is terrible...one should always feel calm and the affect of the music must be conveyed anyways.
@Luisurbina93 you are ignorant, my dear. you did not understand one single statement of the maestra. maybe with time, your brain and your body will from an entity. be patient with yourself. nobody is perfect. good luck!
@chicoriagrande Isn´t there anything other than "feeling" to interpretation? Nobody needs to attend nobody's masterclass to hear that. I walk into a "cantina" in Mexico City (where I live), and all the people drinking there have strong opinions about "feeling" regarding the mariachis playing there. That means nothing at all when one deals with interpretation. Yo and I and my neighbor and the bank clerk are as able as Pires to give that "masterclass".
I don't think these master classes are to be taken as your average college course If anything these master classes are meant to help students become musicians. It's no longer so much about technique but about expression. And on that note I don't see anything these so called students already know. These master classes seem more like master classes for encouragement than anything else.
I don't think these master classes are to be taken as your average college course If anything these master classes are meant to help students become musicians. It's no longer so much about technique but about expression. And on that note I don't see anything these so called students already know. These master classes seem more master classes for encouragement than anything else.
She keeps telling the student that she doesn't get any "feeling". Where have I heard that...? Everywhere, all the time. One single common place (the most common of all) constitutes her master class. But not a word (one single word) about music.
@chicoriagrande Isn´t there anything other than "feeling" to interpretation? Nobody needs to attend nobody's masterclass to hear that. I walk into a "cantina" in Mexico City (where I live), and all the people drinking there have strong opinions about "feeling" regarding the mariachis playing there. That means nothing at all when one deals with interpretation. You and I and my neighbor and the bank clerk and the physician and the bricklayer are as able as Pires to give that "masterclass".
Overbearing instead of guiding. A piece of music is not a stringent, singularly definable entity. MY interpretation of what the music says to ME isn't wrong...to ME!
Your definition of what music is combined with your social status as a "master" give you this cockiness and judgmental attitude, defining YOUR views as the only views.
Harsh teachers say,"You think you're free" but it can lead somewhere.
Bad teachers add "but it I don't think so", bringing their ego and killing inspiration.
I do not like her teaching at all. These students are good enough artists that their interpertation is just as "right" as hers is. Plus she should know that interpertation comes from the player, not another player telling you how to play.
As a fan, I find her teaching very interesting and inspiring. But I have to admit that also has great difficulties understanding her idea in this vars. Especially in the var1:stacco, legato, leggiermente...what she wants?
Maybe score versions really make troubles in interpretation:in my version d'Albert: var18 should be played with no semtimentality...but she said: Mechanical
MJP has excellent imaginations, which is an advantage.but she's not as strict as Gilels, Schnabel in reading scores.
As a fan, I find her teaching very interesting and inspiring. But I have to admit that also has great difficulties understanding her idea in this vars. Especially in the var1:stacco, legato, leggiermente...what she wants?
Maybe score versions really make troubles in interpretation:in my version d'Albert: var18 should be played with no semtimentality...but she said: Mechanical
MJP has excellent imaginations, which is an advantage.but she's not as strict as Gilels, Schnabel in reading scores.
Maria let him be himself .He do not have your feelings .He has his own.Maria imagine if We all have the same filings.Dont you think its boring. You saying so much about filings but you want to see your filings.
Sometimes I think some of these teachers in masterclasses need to decide for themselves exactly what the difference in their playing versus the students is. Some of the statements seem so nebulous and lacking clarity in what the intention should be. I'm not saying these things only about this video, but about other masterclasses I have watched. "how do you feel?" "It's boring?". I think they need to come up with a machine that breaks it down to: time and volume and perhaps velocity..then compare
Bad Maria. Bad. Why the staccato? How can she host a masterclass when she suppress the students own interpretation of the music. This is a horrible lesson. Talking only about her self and her feelings not the students. A shame. I totally agree their vision on being able to play without bars tho, but other than that its shit.
Of course, she acts like quite a weirdo, but what she has a point... often we overlook the fact that the only true music comes from a deeper aspect of the soul. There is no way, of course, to SAY this in words, which is why she sounds so crazy-- you can only UNDERSTAND it. WOW THIS IS ACTAULLY COMPLICATED STUFF
As a piano player, I deeply admire Ms. Pires. There is only one shortcoming about this whole thing: the intelectualization of emotions. Also, it seems that there is only one way of interpreting those sounds; the way she wants it to be played. Not that the students have their own unique and solid interpretations already. To experience real freedom, listen to Keith Jarrett or Herbie Hancock. These guys obliterate the boudaries between styles and judgments.
The more i watch this masterclass the more i like it. She is absolutely wonderful person. "No style - let's just have an atmosphere.....feel something, don't let the brain do the work!" ....
What a nonsense some people are writing here....there is no reason to blame Maria for your own lack of understanding! This is not about respecting the students "interpretations", it is about to listen and to learn something! The only person who deserves respect here, is Maria.
@nikolaimedtner i agree she's doing a nice job here. she really isn't tell the student exactly how to play or interpret but basically telling him to play with something rather than nothing.
im gettin angry while watching her... its his own interpretation!! and not hers!! shes so respectless, i feel so sorry for this guy he plays with so much sensibility!
@hotbebimauz he's not playing with sensibility. he's playing with kinda nothing. he's playing a bit afraid, timid, and muddled. she's not telling him to play in a particular way, but she's basically telling him to play with more conviction and a clearer idea on what he wants to do with the piece. this piece generally gets played a lot sharper and with much more contrast and color than how that student was playing.
i can see what shes doing, what were picking up on is how intimidating it must be
they're trying to get him to give it his all and feel part of the music
i suppose it would be more productive if there were less questions; because any answer he gives will always be wrong to a teacher, which is why the question is asked in the first place, because the teacher disagree's in some way
She and her colleague are correct about phrasing being at the essence of music, but you can't teach it. That's why so many singers with great voices butcher a song, while someone like Billie Holiday, a very meager voice, kicks everybody's ass at finding the phrase.
@MadMath44 Well, you see, what happens is that Maria's approach to interpretation is 'sensitive', while baremboim is rather 'analitycal'. if you are a thinker rather than a feeler then you must find baremboim's classes more of your taste. but i think we should learn both sides of the coin (or all sides, as the case might be)
What all the pro-Maria do not understand is: the student will get NOTHING out of this - now, go home and try to play piano with someone shouting nasty things at you all the time!!
urtext doesn't represent even 1 percent of the music?!mrs. Pires needs to remember(like most of her colleagues) she's an interpreter. an interpreter translates as accurately as possible from the source to the recipient. e.g.if you translated what you thought Putin meant when he's talking to Obama instead of what he's saying EXACTLY you'd get canned. music notation allows great accuracy so lets forget the delusions of grandeur. otherwise write your own variations and see how popular they'll be.
Perhaps. In analyzing her facial expressions and dialogue, a kind of sincerity is present in the way she instructs him. As professionals, critics will be harsh and unforgiving of us in their reviews. She's asking him to delve deeper into the music and see beyond the illusion of notes, tempo, and bars. He'll be a more aware musician, and his interpretative skills will not be limited to the confines of another individual's opinion of a work; he'll be original -- an artist in his own right.
When music can´t stand for itself anymore - when you have to find your interpretation through an unreal mist of feelings and esoteric pictures .........
Don't forget that perform music exquisitely differs quite a lot from producing a screw. It's impossible to do it with instructions, because it´s a search that is always alive and that include things anyone cannot explain by words of logical analysis.
I think she should let the students make their own music not to force her view upon them. everyone feels music different and that's the beauty of it...
she has these ideals that I feel from her teaching no-one will reach, and this style of mimicking the student and invading their space at the same time as pressing them to express themselves I don't think will work for many people. The genius teachers make their students feel empowered.
I hate how she's forcing the student, but what's frightening about her is that I just have to agree with her. When she shows them how to play the passage, she gave me goosebumps.. She's a really good musician who is just a really bad teacher.
I don't know if she's a bad teacher. Some students just can't seem to get it. It's like teaching a person with no rhythm how to dance. Not everyone is great at expressing their art form but excel technically. Isaac Stern once made a comment about the Chinese violinist he heard that while technique was obvious, their lack of passion made the best of them just mediocre. She's obviously a very visual teacher. Her gestures helped the other students to de/crescendo, accentuate, etc. She's great!
No doubt about that :D I was just pointing out how she was kind of forcing the idea of an ideal use of rubato. I see how she must have felt anxious in a way since the student didn't seem to understand what Maria Joao wanted.
Some people just don't get it, and that's what causes all kinds of disputes not only in the world of music, but also in real life.
I think what is being misunderstood here is that she's critiquing their "interpretation". What is lacking in the student's playing is precisely that; an interpretation.
I got "master classes" and later I gave them too (in a different area). I believe the best thing is to motivate the student, let him show what he can do, praize one or 2 things and correct him in 1 or 2 things. Dont forget these are advanced students. What's the point in speaking half an hour on each and single note?
1. she never says anything positive about his playing
2. does she believe he is going to retain all that??
3. her general feeling is: its so wrong everything you do...
Teachers at a higher level are bossy. They like to show off, making people feel bad. Since we depend on their knowledge, if we want learn something we have to accept their tyranny and put up with the awful torture. This is the way it is and the sad truth is that Maria is taking advantage of the students desire to learn as an excuse to be mean. True bulling is often planed in such a way that the devil will get away the harassing.
The pupil is the Dutch pianist Bas Verheijden! I've heard him once, with the same piece of Beethoven. Impressive, although not comparable with the poetry or mrs. Pires.
I had teachers like this and I run away in tears after a couple of lessons. She does have a point most of the time but the way she is trying to transmit it is sheer psychoterror... Like a machine gun pointed at you all the time... People cannot stop thinking and start feeling more just because someone tels them to do so...
I think this is quite different from your story... This is a Masterclass, they are supposed to already know how to play the piece, she is just giving her opionion on their interpretation.
I don't think she is that bad. She is just trying to help and it comes across a little strong sometimes. Maybe they can't make huge changes in their interpretation on the spot but they have something to think about at least.
I agree with her technique, although I think she could be more graceful when explaining. She is asking for more than the student can ever hope of giving but by doing so he will put that much more into it to try and please her.
3.15 "ALSO NOT GOOD"... with that fu***ing smile... Awful! Who think you are, Maria? God? You're just presumptuous! Actually your Chopin Nocturnes are vulgar and ungraceful, especially for being "night passionate music"...
I used to attend masterclasses like that. A cynical professor tried to mock the way I was playing, making stupid comment while everyone (asslickers) among the audience used to laugh... like the girl at 0:56
@liszt80: I don't think she was mocking him. She merely was trying to express to him-in a lighthearted way- why she feels his interpretation doesn't work. And only the girl behind her giggled a little. But that was just a reaction to the teacher's playful mannerisms that accompanied her explanation to him. If you can't take criticism, then you're not fit to participate in a MC. Criticism is hard to swallow. But it's the pill we all need to take in order to get better.
Forget it. There are limits how to treat a student. And much too often she was not talking about special musical aspects but about her own view, what means this esoteric bull... in music. Sorry, practicing will serve you much better than a masterclass with this weird, egomanic person.
Show me where she says "esoteric bull"? I watched the video again, and heard no such phrase. She did however- starting at 1:53 - asks him "Now what is the meaning of this?... What means this?" An honest question if you ask me. For she just wanted to know why he chose to play that particular passage in that way. I think you just hear things the way you want to. And all those students did come there for her "professional" opinion on their playing. Hence why no one there is taking offense...
She is just not behaving nicely. The students take it as it is as they have too much respect. When booking a masterclass they couldn´t foresee what was coming up to them.
I took part in some masterclasses as well, but I never met such a rude behaviour.
Working on a piece can mean very different ways to do so. Obviously her way is very special, she often leaves the pure musical argumentation.
Watch the Barenboim masterclass and you see how it works much better. Friendly and musically.
"Also not good" in response to 5 1/16s legato and 7 staccato after Bas's fiorst try with 12 1/16s staccato.
She is quite correct: Beethoven writes no staccato 1/16th in the 1st variation. He only says "leggieremente" = lightly, and gives his fingering for the repeated notes.
The final soft notes of the theme are also not written staccato;
Shame on you! What a privilege for a young aspiring to be able to be taught by a master such as the great Maria Joao Pires. I'm green with envy! Anyone who doesn't appreciate their lottery ticket should give it to one of the other thousand of pianist who would die for such an opportunity! And if you can't take being taught then don't bother attending any class period!
I HATE THIS VIDEO! She constantly tries to mock the student's ideas, laughing meanly at feelings he feels about the Beethoven Variations. She uses unclear and abstract metaphors, making actually just a big mental mess. This is not a masterclass, this is just brain-washing rubbish!
She makes SO much sense! Music should not be "mechanical" which is the way that the student was playing. She was explaining it PERFECTLY at the end with the jump. She made MUSIC while he was doing what only the score indicated. A real musician goes beyond the score and into the soul of the piece. Brava Maria! Also when she was talking about the phrasings in poetry...its not just lines...its phrases.
the way she talks to them.. shes so arrogant.. and she expects the impossible from the students... and she says the most pointless things.. like "All of the editions are bad" wtf why would we need to know that to play better...
she's a horrible teacher, I stand by my point.
Jorge Bolet, now you should watch his master class with Rach 3... he was a god of a teacher.
never make rubato??? excuse me?...has she ever played a chopin mazurka? I mean sorry, of course she is a great pianist and I'm not the one to criticise her but how could she then tell or show when the composers wanted a rubato? And the fact that the score is not even 1% of the music - I couldn't disagree more. There would be no music without the score, it is our only material connection with the composers and their thoughts. What more does she want?...Hmm
By never "make" rubato, she means never force it. She's trying to help him feel the music deeper than what his mind is telling him to do. Rather than insert rubato where it sounds appropriate, she's trying to help the pianist let the rubato happens where it's felt.
of course there would be no music with out the score, but only with the score, there would be still no music. and if you are not a great pianist, the score wouldn't help you even if it would have had 90% of the music, while a great pianist will need 1% to make the music sound like beethoven wanted it to sound.
Masterclasses are a little absurd things: a "professor", convincing you that HIS/HER interpretation is the best and the right one, no matter if the "pupil" is Rubinstein or Arrau or Kissin or Lang Lang or Liszt himself, the "professor" always HAS TO CHANGE something of your playing. I have never attended a masterclass where the "pupil" played and the "professor" said "ok, that's perfect!", even if the "pupil" played that same piece 1000 times in every country for thousands people...
well, that's why students attend masterclasses: to see the professor's oppinion. And then the student can mix the professor's ideas with his own ideas.
not at all! i had 1 year ago a master class and the professor not only didn't tell me nothing, he sad i played perfect, so "hop" all you theory has gone!
What is this "beyond" thing "beyond the bars". it's so unproffesional for a teacher. Aa, I think I just found it, she's not a teacher. Baby, and of course I am refering to Pires, don't quit your daytime job, cause as a teacher, you suck! and the blond dude is ok, too ok! 'Beyond' my ass!! If Beethoven was alive, I am sure he would hunt her down for saying such thing as "the score doesn't represent not even 1% of what the music is"! Ha, funny and sad. She can play alright, she can't teach though
Alright, they're both idiots. Come on people...he's a bit emotionally stilted and she's an ego manic. Not all performers are teachers. However, there were moments when he got what she was communicating. Whose to say it wasn't there prior to that moment or in a different context ? Music is/is not a science... the "science" of it is set aside to allow it to come to life. You're inner self vivifies the process. NO teacher can teach that, only guide. Don't judge unless you're on that bench.
unfortunatly americans like to have guide books and manuals to make them play and thats why most of them suck at music. just look at him when he is playing, with all that fake movements with the body and head, probably he was taught how to headbang when playing piano and make funny faces.
"in my version it is written staccato.. probably it is a bad version" .. this shows how bad he is. what his is brain for? omg i just hate this lack of sense in most classical students.. they think that they re reading instructions when playing music. maria joao pires is a great pianist, and she cant teach this "student" to play what she wants because they don't even speak the same language, one person is trying to show what music is the other is to mecanical to feel.
"in my version it is written staccato.." he is just beeing polite. And what language is that that the pianist doesn't speak????? What are you people??? God's? you can make music? Are you Beethoven? Schumann maybe? Wake up, this a very very exhausting thing to do, music. A student has to study the score as correctly as possible, everything else is a matter of taste, and taste is a religion, a very personal thing. I agree with pianology, "not all good pianists can teach". In fact just a few. Bye!
Todos estes senhores que estão aqui a fazer comentérios completamente sem nexo, sem qualquer fundamento, por favor, tenham vergonha na cara!
Tal como diz a grande MJP, "temos de acreditar que os milagres acontecem" e que a "música é o sinal de que os milagres acontecem"... ao ouvir a grande MJP a tocar, a simplesmente tocar no piano acredito que os milagres acontecem e a MJP é um sinal de que os milagres acontecem na música. obrigado pela inspiração, até no olhar e no sorriso.
Falso. Comenzando: El tema de fraseología lo aborda en forma impecable. Del punto de vista académico, está correcto lo que hace.
Otra cosa es el enfoque que el maestro o maestra, a un nivel superior, desee darle y en eso comienza la diferencia. Aquí el problema es que esa Maria Joao es una imbécil prototipo y exageradamente subjetiva. Ese que le sigue no se quien será. Las cosas se dicen en otra forma y se enseñan con argumentos lógicos y no a través de "feelings" banales e imprecisos.
bah... she is annoying and to be honest i dont like neither her style nor her point of view of that piece. but then again i'm not a famous international piano soloist.....
I love this video. I find it very personally inspiring. She's not telling them what to play, she's giving them permission to feel the music completely, and then to play what they feel. It's something amazing when you find a teacher that can bring out something inside of you, and this is the goal of any high level art/music teacher. If you don't like her style of playing, then focus on her passion and absorption in the music, because that is the real lesson here.
I don´t understand the ideas of that woman, is obvious that we have to think what we are playing. The composer write something, you can´t change that.
What is the point of this masterclass? Look at Bolet's Rachmaninov class, or Barenboim's Beethoven class - he respects their ideas. She just indoctrinates - like the last notes of the theme - what if he wants them staccato? They're not 'fear' to me.
Totalmente de acuerdo con Des Abends
lahe777 3 weeks ago
First of all the student plays well!
It's for this reason that she tries to say something and the result is so..silly!!
I am sorry to write this,I like Maria Pires as performer!
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it sounds stupid to me when he playsmusic and then he says probably its wrong... how can you play if you dont even know what you are playing...
leparditas 3 months ago
great teacher !bracvo leave me a comment in u tube theagui100 thanks
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@gilsonmath You have no idea what you are talking about :)
temax 6 months ago
It's above all ridiculous that he must almost apologize to her for his musical choice. There is not only a single way to understand, represent and feel the music (and the Art in general). She is trying to make him a miserable copy of her, Maria Pires number 2. I would never go to a masterclass when the professor has not respect for my ideas. I think the masterclass is useful only to improve the pure technical skills. Once you are technically ready, play the way you feel better.
DesAbends 7 months ago 4
@DesAbends As other, you have no idea what you are talking about. Learning piano is not about learning style or ideas, is about feeling. And all she does is helping him to feel and discover the music as she understands it. Later on, he will develop his own ideas. Your statement is pure hate speech.
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1Thompsonmusic 8 months ago
i believe a tacher and a student need to be able to connect on a spiritual and emotional level..it is difficult to explain transcendal matters, interpretations with words...
the problem i see with the way maria joao pires is trying to explain things to her student, is that he cannot relate to those things she talks about...if someone talked to me this way i would probably get very frustrated and feel uncomfortable, i would feel invaded in my personal space..i respond to respectful serenity
peaceandjustice99 8 months ago
not every teacher is right for every student..they have to connect, on a spiritual and emotional level, then they will understand each other, if that doesn't happen, it is better to look for a different coach, i guess nobody is perfect and in the end music is something very transcendent that words cannot easily explain..
peaceandjustice99 8 months ago
Surely her manners aren't strictly "normal", but that should be no problem at all. Her approach isn't the most patient or delicate and her teachings are quite abstract, but they seem useful to me. Of course she can only express her views on the music, but I think she was trying to show the guy how to make the notes and phrases gain meaning and shape, without paying too much attention at each note. She didn't mock him, but criticized what he was doing. In a "normal" world that is nothing absurd.
Homoclassicus 8 months ago
Does anybody know whre we can find the entire masterclasses. This is very helpful
johnmccowell 10 months ago
@johnmccowell go to vimeo and search for "Maria João Pires - Discovering Sound"
andradevln 7 months ago
does somebody have the contact adres of her in brasil?? please mail to >> sundew59@hotmail (dot)com
sundew59 10 months ago
I think Maria Jao Pires is a good pianist, but I must say I am not too convinced about her teaching here. I think sometimes she is a bit disrespectful to the students. I understand the guy in the start gets a bit frustrated, I would shurely be that too!
JJKjaer 11 months ago 3
m joao pires is an amazing performer..and i understand what she is talking about, she wants the pianist to express something, to say something on the piano that makes sense..however, the way she talked to the student and tried to explain what she wanted to say must have had an extremely frustrating effect on him and he would probably have understood better what she was trying to say had she explained the concept beforehand..i have always hated interruptions when i studied piano
peaceandjustice99 11 months ago 3
@peaceandjustice99 I have had a teacher like that - it doesn't help you to learn when they cannot articulate clearly what they think is wrong. If its just like "bla bla bla, feel, bla bla bla", then its really hard to understand how to put that into action.
bemaniac2 9 months ago
@bemaniac2 do you know what is wrong what you do nor love anymore to somebody? Well, music is the same my friend :)
temax 6 months ago
Her playing of the variation between 7:16-7:34 is beautiful. Has MJP ever recorded the LvB 32 variations?
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Did you even read what i said. I am NOT talking about technique.
DainGerrUsss 1 year ago
maybe a good musician but horrendous teacher, she strips the young pianist of everything he had worked on in his imagination of the peice and then proceeded to tell him that it is wrong. because of her original interferance.
T1carus 1 year ago 2
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1Thompsonmusic 8 months ago
I agree with you on one level. On another level, technique is not a stagnant aspect of playing the piano, or any instrument, for that matter. The study of technique and how it relates to physical motions coordinated with sound, rhytym, shaping, facility (the list goes on and on) can go infinitely deep. Its not about technique being an issue that needs to be solved in my opinion, because it goes hand in hand with the music.
Luisurbina93 1 year ago
Great musician but very bad teacher
bertrandui 1 year ago
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What is te piece? I Like it very much!
Benjii228 1 year ago
What is te piece, I Like it very much!
Benjii228 1 year ago
she is talking such bullshit. everything she says is complete rubbish.
Aryamanable 1 year ago
There is a thing such as verbally over teaching. She is doing this. Music need to have emotion (interpretation), yes, but there also needs to be taught the way to accomplish this technically. Instead of SO much getting the student to feel this or that, what about demonstrating on the piano exactly what she is wanting him to do. This manner of teaching is what J.S. Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Schumann, Brahms, and Franz Liszt did.
DainGerrUsss 1 year ago 2
@DainGerrUsss At the this level, it's assumed that you have the technique to produce whatever is felt.
rodriguezjo 1 year ago
And just because she can play beautiful does not mean she has an intellectual basis for what she is saying. In that sense, she is ignorant (intellectually!) And as far as I'm concerned, how would you know if my brain and body aren't one entity? I'm willing to say that I've spent many years aligning the two in order to perform music. Every physical motion related to the score. "Be patient with yourself..nobody is perfect...good luck" I'm sorry wwnone but these are empty suggestions.
Luisurbina93 1 year ago
In what way did I not understand any of her statements? I understand them for what they were. She is a great artist and her playing is moving. But I think in terms of HOW she is conveying some of her ideas are not effective. As a teacher, in other words. Nothing she says is concrete to someone who doesn't feel things in such an instinctive way. I believe students need more information in order to understand such things. what is "flying like a bird" if you can't even move your fingers properly?
Luisurbina93 1 year ago
@Luisurbina93 Again, at this level technique sholuld no longer be an issue. It's assumed you have the technique. If not, I don't think the student should be taking masterclasses from performing artists.
rodriguezjo 1 year ago
This woman is rather ignorant. How can you say that the bar has "0 to do with the phrase?" Every aspect of music is important and works together in an integrated fashion. The phrase the composer writes is born from a sense of the beat. Even if it isn't a metric beat, the pulse gives the phrase structure and can never be lost. Its not just notes hanging in the air. And her advice of "getting nervous" is terrible...one should always feel calm and the affect of the music must be conveyed anyways.
Luisurbina93 1 year ago
@Luisurbina93 you are ignorant, my dear. you did not understand one single statement of the maestra. maybe with time, your brain and your body will from an entity. be patient with yourself. nobody is perfect. good luck!
wwnone 1 year ago
what is that peace called?
TheOneCrumb 1 year ago
@chicoriagrande Isn´t there anything other than "feeling" to interpretation? Nobody needs to attend nobody's masterclass to hear that. I walk into a "cantina" in Mexico City (where I live), and all the people drinking there have strong opinions about "feeling" regarding the mariachis playing there. That means nothing at all when one deals with interpretation. Yo and I and my neighbor and the bank clerk are as able as Pires to give that "masterclass".
arturonoyolarobles 1 year ago
that Lady needs help,..,pshychiatry Help.,.,,.
bazzatt1 1 year ago
the teacher did sound a lot better though whenever she played
moonstaff1234 1 year ago
is it just me or is that guy not really european conservatoire material? i mean those mistakes, this mindset.. is totally beginner.
meh.
chrsYT 1 year ago
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I don't think these master classes are to be taken as your average college course If anything these master classes are meant to help students become musicians. It's no longer so much about technique but about expression. And on that note I don't see anything these so called students already know. These master classes seem more like master classes for encouragement than anything else.
repietza 1 year ago
I don't think these master classes are to be taken as your average college course If anything these master classes are meant to help students become musicians. It's no longer so much about technique but about expression. And on that note I don't see anything these so called students already know. These master classes seem more master classes for encouragement than anything else.
repietza 1 year ago
difficult if nobody knows how to speak english there ...xD
karazh 1 year ago
She keeps telling the student that she doesn't get any "feeling". Where have I heard that...? Everywhere, all the time. One single common place (the most common of all) constitutes her master class. But not a word (one single word) about music.
arturonoyolarobles 1 year ago 6
@arturonoyolarobles what would you suggest? what else is there to interpretation?
chicoriagrande 1 year ago
@chicoriagrande Isn´t there anything other than "feeling" to interpretation? Nobody needs to attend nobody's masterclass to hear that. I walk into a "cantina" in Mexico City (where I live), and all the people drinking there have strong opinions about "feeling" regarding the mariachis playing there. That means nothing at all when one deals with interpretation. You and I and my neighbor and the bank clerk and the physician and the bricklayer are as able as Pires to give that "masterclass".
arturonoyolarobles 1 year ago
Overbearing instead of guiding. A piece of music is not a stringent, singularly definable entity. MY interpretation of what the music says to ME isn't wrong...to ME!
Your definition of what music is combined with your social status as a "master" give you this cockiness and judgmental attitude, defining YOUR views as the only views.
Harsh teachers say,"You think you're free" but it can lead somewhere.
Bad teachers add "but it I don't think so", bringing their ego and killing inspiration.
Slapnutzmalone 1 year ago
What an awful teacher. No wonder her interpretations of Chopin are so vulgar and irritable.
UnionJaked 1 year ago
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she is amazing
cbodien 1 year ago
she us amazing
cbodien 1 year ago
I do not like her teaching at all. These students are good enough artists that their interpertation is just as "right" as hers is. Plus she should know that interpertation comes from the player, not another player telling you how to play.
Garrettguy457 1 year ago
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As a fan, I find her teaching very interesting and inspiring. But I have to admit that also has great difficulties understanding her idea in this vars. Especially in the var1:stacco, legato, leggiermente...what she wants?
Maybe score versions really make troubles in interpretation:in my version d'Albert: var18 should be played with no semtimentality...but she said: Mechanical
MJP has excellent imaginations, which is an advantage.but she's not as strict as Gilels, Schnabel in reading scores.
gabrielxing 1 year ago
As a fan, I find her teaching very interesting and inspiring. But I have to admit that also has great difficulties understanding her idea in this vars. Especially in the var1:stacco, legato, leggiermente...what she wants?
Maybe score versions really make troubles in interpretation:in my version d'Albert: var18 should be played with no semtimentality...but she said: Mechanical
MJP has excellent imaginations, which is an advantage.but she's not as strict as Gilels, Schnabel in reading scores.
gabrielxing 1 year ago
Maria let him be himself .He do not have your feelings .He has his own.Maria imagine if We all have the same filings.Dont you think its boring. You saying so much about filings but you want to see your filings.
afizadel 1 year ago
Sometimes I think some of these teachers in masterclasses need to decide for themselves exactly what the difference in their playing versus the students is. Some of the statements seem so nebulous and lacking clarity in what the intention should be. I'm not saying these things only about this video, but about other masterclasses I have watched. "how do you feel?" "It's boring?". I think they need to come up with a machine that breaks it down to: time and volume and perhaps velocity..then compare
robertslistening 1 year ago
what is the piece?
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allegretto1862 1 year ago
Bad Maria. Bad. Why the staccato? How can she host a masterclass when she suppress the students own interpretation of the music. This is a horrible lesson. Talking only about her self and her feelings not the students. A shame. I totally agree their vision on being able to play without bars tho, but other than that its shit.
cinemats 1 year ago
"what means this?" the absolutely fundamental question...that most teachers (and even some very good pianists) dont know to ask.
verystacy 1 year ago
The terrific Maria João Pires performing Bach's keyboard concerto BWV 1056 (recorded in 1974, but never before on YouTube):
watch?v=U0hDZpMYu0Q
classicvinylbiz 1 year ago
EXCELLENT!! Blessings Isis
cuoylyf 1 year ago
i like this way of working very much !
Poljub19 1 year ago
She has nothing to say.Standard teaching...
abmsghost 1 year ago
Of course, she acts like quite a weirdo, but what she has a point... often we overlook the fact that the only true music comes from a deeper aspect of the soul. There is no way, of course, to SAY this in words, which is why she sounds so crazy-- you can only UNDERSTAND it. WOW THIS IS ACTAULLY COMPLICATED STUFF
skryabyn 1 year ago
I'd give my left nut to attend one masterclass with the great Maria Joao Pires.
LUCKY DUCKY BASTARDS THESE STUDENTS ARE!
If they don't appreciate her wisdom and teachings. Then they are the sorriest fuckers alive!
brassmonkeyjew 1 year ago
Beethoven says staccato bitch!
fabioso82 1 year ago 2
he keeps coming out with that very annoying part of an agony face... urgh...
october267 1 year ago
What piece is he playing???
luelue221 1 year ago
@luelue221 Beethoven's 32 Variations in C minor
caricama 1 year ago
As a piano player, I deeply admire Ms. Pires. There is only one shortcoming about this whole thing: the intelectualization of emotions. Also, it seems that there is only one way of interpreting those sounds; the way she wants it to be played. Not that the students have their own unique and solid interpretations already. To experience real freedom, listen to Keith Jarrett or Herbie Hancock. These guys obliterate the boudaries between styles and judgments.
guscaldas2 1 year ago
What a horrible woman
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mishakastrov 1 year ago
She cares about music- not the student or her behavior. She doesn't even care about herself. Just listening to the music itself.
kanta15 1 year ago
The more i watch this masterclass the more i like it. She is absolutely wonderful person. "No style - let's just have an atmosphere.....feel something, don't let the brain do the work!" ....
nikolaimedtner 1 year ago
@nikolaimedtner Yes, but she is dictating how they should feel.
guscaldas2 1 year ago
@guscaldas2 I would rather say she is leading them to what the music itself dictates them to feel.
nikolaimedtner 1 year ago
What a nonsense some people are writing here....there is no reason to blame Maria for your own lack of understanding! This is not about respecting the students "interpretations", it is about to listen and to learn something! The only person who deserves respect here, is Maria.
nikolaimedtner 1 year ago
@nikolaimedtner i agree she's doing a nice job here. she really isn't tell the student exactly how to play or interpret but basically telling him to play with something rather than nothing.
bluemonolith88 1 year ago
Great musician and teacher
TheMichmagic 1 year ago 10
These Europeans communicate with one another in English.
freeqwerqwer 1 year ago
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"Im not talking to you - I dont exist " - well shut up then and let him get on with it!
stockcar5472 2 years ago
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im gettin angry while watching her... its his own interpretation!! and not hers!! shes so respectless, i feel so sorry for this guy he plays with so much sensibility!
hotbebimauz 2 years ago
@hotbebimauz he's not playing with sensibility. he's playing with kinda nothing. he's playing a bit afraid, timid, and muddled. she's not telling him to play in a particular way, but she's basically telling him to play with more conviction and a clearer idea on what he wants to do with the piece. this piece generally gets played a lot sharper and with much more contrast and color than how that student was playing.
bluemonolith88 1 year ago
what song are they playing?
davonwhitehead 2 years ago
@davonwhitehead
Beethoven C minor Piano Variations
RonaldBVogel 2 years ago
i can see what shes doing, what were picking up on is how intimidating it must be
they're trying to get him to give it his all and feel part of the music
i suppose it would be more productive if there were less questions; because any answer he gives will always be wrong to a teacher, which is why the question is asked in the first place, because the teacher disagree's in some way
TheBluePianist 2 years ago
She and her colleague are correct about phrasing being at the essence of music, but you can't teach it. That's why so many singers with great voices butcher a song, while someone like Billie Holiday, a very meager voice, kicks everybody's ass at finding the phrase.
cobaltjones 2 years ago
"I am helping you to feel"... and she dont let him finish a single sentence LOL
MadMath44 2 years ago 13
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The more I listen to Maria, the more I like Baremboim, Czifra, Lang Lang and all the others! Please watch Baremboim masterclasses and... compare...
MadMath44 2 years ago
@MadMath44 Well, you see, what happens is that Maria's approach to interpretation is 'sensitive', while baremboim is rather 'analitycal'. if you are a thinker rather than a feeler then you must find baremboim's classes more of your taste. but i think we should learn both sides of the coin (or all sides, as the case might be)
sirdelrio 2 years ago 3
What all the pro-Maria do not understand is: the student will get NOTHING out of this - now, go home and try to play piano with someone shouting nasty things at you all the time!!
MadMath44 2 years ago
urtext doesn't represent even 1 percent of the music?!mrs. Pires needs to remember(like most of her colleagues) she's an interpreter. an interpreter translates as accurately as possible from the source to the recipient. e.g.if you translated what you thought Putin meant when he's talking to Obama instead of what he's saying EXACTLY you'd get canned. music notation allows great accuracy so lets forget the delusions of grandeur. otherwise write your own variations and see how popular they'll be.
zvelekva 2 years ago
Perhaps. In analyzing her facial expressions and dialogue, a kind of sincerity is present in the way she instructs him. As professionals, critics will be harsh and unforgiving of us in their reviews. She's asking him to delve deeper into the music and see beyond the illusion of notes, tempo, and bars. He'll be a more aware musician, and his interpretative skills will not be limited to the confines of another individual's opinion of a work; he'll be original -- an artist in his own right.
MyMemories19 2 years ago
When music can´t stand for itself anymore - when you have to find your interpretation through an unreal mist of feelings and esoteric pictures .........
I would have left the room immediately.
anonymusum 2 years ago
Don't forget that perform music exquisitely differs quite a lot from producing a screw. It's impossible to do it with instructions, because it´s a search that is always alive and that include things anyone cannot explain by words of logical analysis.
jpedrocp 2 years ago
what???
ny564189 2 years ago
I love 32 variations by Ludwing Van Beethoven!!!! The boy is very good pianist
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eliasbb 2 years ago
I think she should let the students make their own music not to force her view upon them. everyone feels music different and that's the beauty of it...
jazzvec 2 years ago
she has these ideals that I feel from her teaching no-one will reach, and this style of mimicking the student and invading their space at the same time as pressing them to express themselves I don't think will work for many people. The genius teachers make their students feel empowered.
femalepianistsara 2 years ago
I hate how she's forcing the student, but what's frightening about her is that I just have to agree with her. When she shows them how to play the passage, she gave me goosebumps.. She's a really good musician who is just a really bad teacher.
caricama 2 years ago
I don't know if she's a bad teacher. Some students just can't seem to get it. It's like teaching a person with no rhythm how to dance. Not everyone is great at expressing their art form but excel technically. Isaac Stern once made a comment about the Chinese violinist he heard that while technique was obvious, their lack of passion made the best of them just mediocre. She's obviously a very visual teacher. Her gestures helped the other students to de/crescendo, accentuate, etc. She's great!
madrigalpictures 2 years ago
No doubt about that :D I was just pointing out how she was kind of forcing the idea of an ideal use of rubato. I see how she must have felt anxious in a way since the student didn't seem to understand what Maria Joao wanted.
Some people just don't get it, and that's what causes all kinds of disputes not only in the world of music, but also in real life.
caricama 2 years ago
ela é boa mas é meio chata x.x
IanPianist2 2 years ago
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she's full of shit.
blacktiger444 2 years ago
Very interesting regarding bars and phrases, the way she played the last bit was beautiful and on a different planet to how he played it I thought
FreddysHamster 2 years ago
amen
Key1Cracker 2 years ago
@ 2:21 .... is that Valentina Igoshina?
decky90 2 years ago
can be..but not sure
zurzica51 2 years ago
I think what is being misunderstood here is that she's critiquing their "interpretation". What is lacking in the student's playing is precisely that; an interpretation.
brown8899 2 years ago
I'll keep watching this video, I want to be reminded that i dont want to teach this way
I guess one can be a good piano player and a bad person and/or teacher
MadMath44 2 years ago
I got "master classes" and later I gave them too (in a different area). I believe the best thing is to motivate the student, let him show what he can do, praize one or 2 things and correct him in 1 or 2 things. Dont forget these are advanced students. What's the point in speaking half an hour on each and single note?
1. she never says anything positive about his playing
2. does she believe he is going to retain all that??
3. her general feeling is: its so wrong everything you do...
MadMath44 2 years ago 2
Teachers at a higher level are bossy. They like to show off, making people feel bad. Since we depend on their knowledge, if we want learn something we have to accept their tyranny and put up with the awful torture. This is the way it is and the sad truth is that Maria is taking advantage of the students desire to learn as an excuse to be mean. True bulling is often planed in such a way that the devil will get away the harassing.
H05311099 2 years ago
Uh, this is an unfair generalization and perhaps too presumptuous. Unless it is intentional comedy? I can't say.
musicLessons2 2 years ago
I think she is not arrogant... She explains the way she feels the music in a very simple way... In my view this is a very great piano masterclass...
StefanoGuarascio 2 years ago 2
The pupil is the Dutch pianist Bas Verheijden! I've heard him once, with the same piece of Beethoven. Impressive, although not comparable with the poetry or mrs. Pires.
greets from the Netherlands
melomaniac1984 2 years ago
I had teachers like this and I run away in tears after a couple of lessons. She does have a point most of the time but the way she is trying to transmit it is sheer psychoterror... Like a machine gun pointed at you all the time... People cannot stop thinking and start feeling more just because someone tels them to do so...
doktordrakator 2 years ago
I think this is quite different from your story... This is a Masterclass, they are supposed to already know how to play the piece, she is just giving her opionion on their interpretation.
suekuh 2 years ago
Amen
brown8899 2 years ago 2
I don't think she is that bad. She is just trying to help and it comes across a little strong sometimes. Maybe they can't make huge changes in their interpretation on the spot but they have something to think about at least.
davidemusica86 2 years ago
I agree with her technique, although I think she could be more graceful when explaining. She is asking for more than the student can ever hope of giving but by doing so he will put that much more into it to try and please her.
DCWWCD9 2 years ago
3.15 "ALSO NOT GOOD"... with that fu***ing smile... Awful! Who think you are, Maria? God? You're just presumptuous! Actually your Chopin Nocturnes are vulgar and ungraceful, especially for being "night passionate music"...
liszt80 2 years ago 4
Yeah!!! I totally agree with you...
FDCRX 2 years ago
I used to attend masterclasses like that. A cynical professor tried to mock the way I was playing, making stupid comment while everyone (asslickers) among the audience used to laugh... like the girl at 0:56
It's always the same show...
liszt80 2 years ago
@liszt80: I don't think she was mocking him. She merely was trying to express to him-in a lighthearted way- why she feels his interpretation doesn't work. And only the girl behind her giggled a little. But that was just a reaction to the teacher's playful mannerisms that accompanied her explanation to him. If you can't take criticism, then you're not fit to participate in a MC. Criticism is hard to swallow. But it's the pill we all need to take in order to get better.
brassmonkeyjew 2 years ago
Forget it. There are limits how to treat a student. And much too often she was not talking about special musical aspects but about her own view, what means this esoteric bull... in music. Sorry, practicing will serve you much better than a masterclass with this weird, egomanic person.
anonymusum 2 years ago
Show me where she says "esoteric bull"? I watched the video again, and heard no such phrase. She did however- starting at 1:53 - asks him "Now what is the meaning of this?... What means this?" An honest question if you ask me. For she just wanted to know why he chose to play that particular passage in that way. I think you just hear things the way you want to. And all those students did come there for her "professional" opinion on their playing. Hence why no one there is taking offense...
brassmonkeyjew 2 years ago 2
She is just not behaving nicely. The students take it as it is as they have too much respect. When booking a masterclass they couldn´t foresee what was coming up to them.
I took part in some masterclasses as well, but I never met such a rude behaviour.
Working on a piece can mean very different ways to do so. Obviously her way is very special, she often leaves the pure musical argumentation.
Watch the Barenboim masterclass and you see how it works much better. Friendly and musically.
anonymusum 2 years ago
"Also not good" in response to 5 1/16s legato and 7 staccato after Bas's fiorst try with 12 1/16s staccato.
She is quite correct: Beethoven writes no staccato 1/16th in the 1st variation. He only says "leggieremente" = lightly, and gives his fingering for the repeated notes.
The final soft notes of the theme are also not written staccato;
students really must use urtexts!
1401JSC 2 years ago
@liszt80
Shame on you! What a privilege for a young aspiring to be able to be taught by a master such as the great Maria Joao Pires. I'm green with envy! Anyone who doesn't appreciate their lottery ticket should give it to one of the other thousand of pianist who would die for such an opportunity! And if you can't take being taught then don't bother attending any class period!
brassmonkeyjew 1 year ago
I HATE THIS VIDEO! She constantly tries to mock the student's ideas, laughing meanly at feelings he feels about the Beethoven Variations. She uses unclear and abstract metaphors, making actually just a big mental mess. This is not a masterclass, this is just brain-washing rubbish!
liszt80 2 years ago 4
which piece is it?¿
Jamespianista 2 years ago
Beethoven Variations op.32, but I'm not sure....
fabrixxy2 2 years ago
i dont understand a shit of piano, but i wudnt let her talkin to me like dat ahahahah
anyways i think she is gud teacher :D
RedLifeBenfica 2 years ago
She makes SO much sense! Music should not be "mechanical" which is the way that the student was playing. She was explaining it PERFECTLY at the end with the jump. She made MUSIC while he was doing what only the score indicated. A real musician goes beyond the score and into the soul of the piece. Brava Maria! Also when she was talking about the phrasings in poetry...its not just lines...its phrases.
brown8899 2 years ago
She's an ARTIST
brown8899 2 years ago 4
what a horrible teacher... omg...
xxh3llfir3xx 2 years ago
Are you crazy?!
christoperfect 2 years ago 3
the way she talks to them.. shes so arrogant.. and she expects the impossible from the students... and she says the most pointless things.. like "All of the editions are bad" wtf why would we need to know that to play better...
she's a horrible teacher, I stand by my point.
Jorge Bolet, now you should watch his master class with Rach 3... he was a god of a teacher.
xxh3llfir3xx 2 years ago
agree!
liszt80 2 years ago
never make rubato??? excuse me?...has she ever played a chopin mazurka? I mean sorry, of course she is a great pianist and I'm not the one to criticise her but how could she then tell or show when the composers wanted a rubato? And the fact that the score is not even 1% of the music - I couldn't disagree more. There would be no music without the score, it is our only material connection with the composers and their thoughts. What more does she want?...Hmm
romanianpianist 2 years ago
By never "make" rubato, she means never force it. She's trying to help him feel the music deeper than what his mind is telling him to do. Rather than insert rubato where it sounds appropriate, she's trying to help the pianist let the rubato happens where it's felt.
christoperfect 2 years ago
of course there would be no music with out the score, but only with the score, there would be still no music. and if you are not a great pianist, the score wouldn't help you even if it would have had 90% of the music, while a great pianist will need 1% to make the music sound like beethoven wanted it to sound.
michaelpiano1 2 years ago
haha shes racist against stacatto notes.
BARRUMUNDII 2 years ago 10
@BARRUMUNDII stacatto notes and black people. She should be banned, racism is soooo 2009
hermanshermits124124 1 year ago
1:55 PATHETIC!
liszt80 2 years ago
Masterclasses are a little absurd things: a "professor", convincing you that HIS/HER interpretation is the best and the right one, no matter if the "pupil" is Rubinstein or Arrau or Kissin or Lang Lang or Liszt himself, the "professor" always HAS TO CHANGE something of your playing. I have never attended a masterclass where the "pupil" played and the "professor" said "ok, that's perfect!", even if the "pupil" played that same piece 1000 times in every country for thousands people...
liszt80 2 years ago 3
well, that's why students attend masterclasses: to see the professor's oppinion. And then the student can mix the professor's ideas with his own ideas.
sigsoundfan 2 years ago
Exactly, sigsoundfan! :D
christoperfect 2 years ago
not at all! i had 1 year ago a master class and the professor not only didn't tell me nothing, he sad i played perfect, so "hop" all you theory has gone!
michaelpiano1 2 years ago
What is this "beyond" thing "beyond the bars". it's so unproffesional for a teacher. Aa, I think I just found it, she's not a teacher. Baby, and of course I am refering to Pires, don't quit your daytime job, cause as a teacher, you suck! and the blond dude is ok, too ok! 'Beyond' my ass!! If Beethoven was alive, I am sure he would hunt her down for saying such thing as "the score doesn't represent not even 1% of what the music is"! Ha, funny and sad. She can play alright, she can't teach though
may17june04 2 years ago
The first one is the 32 vars by Lui, the second one I'm not sure. Is it Schumanns Davidsbluttertanze op. 6(not sure about the spelling as well:) )
may17june04 2 years ago
Alright, they're both idiots. Come on people...he's a bit emotionally stilted and she's an ego manic. Not all performers are teachers. However, there were moments when he got what she was communicating. Whose to say it wasn't there prior to that moment or in a different context ? Music is/is not a science... the "science" of it is set aside to allow it to come to life. You're inner self vivifies the process. NO teacher can teach that, only guide. Don't judge unless you're on that bench.
pianology101 2 years ago 2
unfortunatly americans like to have guide books and manuals to make them play and thats why most of them suck at music. just look at him when he is playing, with all that fake movements with the body and head, probably he was taught how to headbang when playing piano and make funny faces.
bahbuhbih 2 years ago
You sound like quite an expert. Do you have any vids posted anywhere that we can all view ?
dmcII 2 years ago
"in my version it is written staccato.. probably it is a bad version" .. this shows how bad he is. what his is brain for? omg i just hate this lack of sense in most classical students.. they think that they re reading instructions when playing music. maria joao pires is a great pianist, and she cant teach this "student" to play what she wants because they don't even speak the same language, one person is trying to show what music is the other is to mecanical to feel.
bahbuhbih 2 years ago
"in my version it is written staccato.." he is just beeing polite. And what language is that that the pianist doesn't speak????? What are you people??? God's? you can make music? Are you Beethoven? Schumann maybe? Wake up, this a very very exhausting thing to do, music. A student has to study the score as correctly as possible, everything else is a matter of taste, and taste is a religion, a very personal thing. I agree with pianology, "not all good pianists can teach". In fact just a few. Bye!
may17june04 2 years ago 4
Esta mujer es una pianista fantastica, pero es una pesadilla como profesora.
musicolorhythm 2 years ago
Todos estes senhores que estão aqui a fazer comentérios completamente sem nexo, sem qualquer fundamento, por favor, tenham vergonha na cara!
Tal como diz a grande MJP, "temos de acreditar que os milagres acontecem" e que a "música é o sinal de que os milagres acontecem"... ao ouvir a grande MJP a tocar, a simplesmente tocar no piano acredito que os milagres acontecem e a MJP é um sinal de que os milagres acontecem na música. obrigado pela inspiração, até no olhar e no sorriso.
BrunoLamarosa 2 years ago
Es horrible como profesora Pires..
No es Brahms..es Beethoven!
FedeIdoeta 2 years ago
What that bitch thinks she is?
"Doesn´t convince me".... :-) :-))
I still can´t understand why she is famous ..........for her stupidities? or something else?
She just interrupt , she doesn´t allow the pupil to play a complete prhase to have at least an small idea what he is trying to do.
Extremely bad teacher. Either i dont like her pianism.
What about that ashole who is taking "tititi ..tatata....cacaca..otototo.." poor ashole. A kind of Pires asskisser.
It´s incredible
Lokopiano
lokopiano 2 years ago
es malisimo el pibe que toca las 32 variaciones de Beethoven
FedeIdoeta 2 years ago
Falso. Comenzando: El tema de fraseología lo aborda en forma impecable. Del punto de vista académico, está correcto lo que hace.
Otra cosa es el enfoque que el maestro o maestra, a un nivel superior, desee darle y en eso comienza la diferencia. Aquí el problema es que esa Maria Joao es una imbécil prototipo y exageradamente subjetiva. Ese que le sigue no se quien será. Las cosas se dicen en otra forma y se enseñan con argumentos lógicos y no a través de "feelings" banales e imprecisos.
lokopiano 2 years ago 3
ACLARACIÓN.........
Cuando hablo del temas de fraseología y la corrección, etc. obviamnete me refiero al estudiante pianista, que me parece es ruso ( por el acento) .
lokopiano.
lokopiano 2 years ago
bah... she is annoying and to be honest i dont like neither her style nor her point of view of that piece. but then again i'm not a famous international piano soloist.....
mithzor 2 years ago
Pretty bad bad teaching
Grigor99 2 years ago
I love this video. I find it very personally inspiring. She's not telling them what to play, she's giving them permission to feel the music completely, and then to play what they feel. It's something amazing when you find a teacher that can bring out something inside of you, and this is the goal of any high level art/music teacher. If you don't like her style of playing, then focus on her passion and absorption in the music, because that is the real lesson here.
freakytea 2 years ago 7
I don´t understand the ideas of that woman, is obvious that we have to think what we are playing. The composer write something, you can´t change that.
laureanobruno 2 years ago
What is the point of this masterclass? Look at Bolet's Rachmaninov class, or Barenboim's Beethoven class - he respects their ideas. She just indoctrinates - like the last notes of the theme - what if he wants them staccato? They're not 'fear' to me.
Haeronthegreat 2 years ago
Agrre with you totally.
AND .....they play much more than her.
She is just a lunatic woman.
Well is the pupils pay money for that.......well...... is their fault.
"What do you feel ??? ¡¡¡ ho ho ho ho :-) :-) Feel with your body......a new aproach ?
I feel with my fingers.
People like that lunatic disgrace the piano teaching and playing.
Pure empirism. No sciencie of playing at all.
Who were her teachers? It could be interesting to know.. tiki tiki ta...:-) tikita..
Lokopiano
lokopiano 2 years ago
What is the piece called he is playing?
Skygrapped 3 years ago