Awesome video! I gotta get back out there. A friend has an Ideal 18 we have yet to take out. I wonder what we could get it to do in 30kts. Great video, got me in the mood to put on the foulies and get real wet :-)
cold water is an amazing thing. you truly cant fathom the experience of it until you've been in it for an extended period of time. in my younger much more stupid days i swam across echo lake in northern California on a bet. not a big accomplishment by itself. but in 40 degree water it gave me a new appreciation for what happens to sailors in cold water. and the cold doesnt just go away when you get out or dry off. it takes alot of time and energy to warm back up.
Very serious situation. With a life jacket on, the MOB will probably lapse into an unconscious state within 30 to 40 minutes. So 12 minutes in that water temperature is certainly very serious.
sorry I am a complete newbie: is sth like that considered a dangerous or serious situation? A 10 minutes search, is that normal, quick or fast? 10°C, for how long can you take that temperature until you get into trouble? thx for you help, fair wind
Great sailing and recovery Trygve. Had my first experience on board Sean's Pacer 27 on the Vaal today (good fun but wind disappeared...as always). Farid
@NutritionJoe This boat is built in Cape Town, South Africa. It is a registered one design class. The manufacturers are Pacer Yachts (just Google them). Just a rough guide I would say about US$ 45,000 incl racing sails and road trailer. Lifting keel/removable rudder. Tows nicely. Contact the builders and import one in a 40 ft container. Should fit, no problem. PHRF rates 1.080 and IRC 1.054 (which sucks)
Tryg, Giday mate-displaced Aussie living in Newport, RI. Thanks for the comments. What was true wind speed that day, I can recall no reference to same? Life lines issues based on my reading of ORC for offshore boats. Do you have different regs locally for sport boats? Also, having been washed of a 12 years ago and caught up in the sheets, my first response is can I hang onto a line---BUT in the 12 we were going , gee 9 knots, just rounded a mark and the "sheets" were 8 mm gal wire then cheers.
@NutritionJoe Wind speed started at 28 knots, built very quickly to upper 30's and peaked at 48 knots max gust. If you read the article on SA there is a graph of the wind speed that day and hour. Click on it and view full size.
Great video - great driving. Thank you for sharing and a lesson for everyone. This is us doing a similar thing: search Youtube 'Savage Sailing Team'. Like us, you appear to have crew weight too far forward which will not help rudder. Unlike us, you appear to be sailing quite high which, in that much breeze, is likely to end in a broach if the rudder trips out on a wave. Easy to be wise after the event of course. From a safety MOB perspective, anything you would do differently next time?
@Kospictures Thans for the kind words. i have seen your vid before. The J80 is quite a lot more stable than the Pacer 27. Boat design dictates (as you know). The Pacer has a very fine entry and the big, wide, chined stern. in flat water, we usually dont worry too much about pullling the bowman or mastman to sit behind the skipper, but once the waves get nasty, we will do that. The big masthead kite (68 sq.m) is a handfull for one guy, so we have two guys hauling on the sheet. Winch is too slow.
@Kospictures OK, Here's the drill: Shout Man Overboard! Life ring and danbouy thrown at MOB; Hit the MOB button on GPS; one person points at MOB and does not take his eyes off him; If any difficulties or doubt about a successfulrecovery call a PAN-PAN emergency or a MAYDAY. Approach MOB on a fetch with main only. Park the boat to windward of victim. Use heel and width of boat to lever MOB back onboard. treat for hypothermia if needed. Cancel MAYDAY if MOB recovered successfully.
Watch this multiple times. hit pause and then advance the video by placing cursor on the advance button on the video time line. Couple of thoughts. Life lines way too slack versus ISAF requirements- and no this wont stop what happened---just an observation. Cannot really tell who is the skipper until the boat pops up again. The last guy aft in white- closest to the camera is not I think. He seems to be main sheet guy. Broach starts at 1:31. MOB call is at 1:50, good reason to hold on to a line
@NutritionJoe Thanks for your comments.I was the helmsman. I am off camera - you can just see my cap at the bottom of the frame. We have our lifelines quite slack so we can hike the boat hard. You can see from my cap position that I was actually hiking quite far outboard - much further than any of the crew. In fact we had tightened the lifelines up quite a bit just the week before. local rules indicate that they may not touch the deck. We use different tension for the crew who hike up front.
You and your crew are obviously decent sailors. Maybe add a dry suit or a wet suit to your sailing gear when you go out in that stuff. Nice write up on SA. I think anyone that pushes it has stories that scare the hell out of them. Keep it up.
All crew followed correct procedure, however, perhaps approaching the MOB from a position more downwind so that the boat can come up into the breeze and slow right down next to the MOB. Reason for this is that the MOB may be injured and may require more time to get back on board which is difficult to do if the boat is still moving. All in all though, great procedure in the hailing, locating and pointing out of the MOB
Awesome video! I gotta get back out there. A friend has an Ideal 18 we have yet to take out. I wonder what we could get it to do in 30kts. Great video, got me in the mood to put on the foulies and get real wet :-)
silvertip185 2 days ago
cold water is an amazing thing. you truly cant fathom the experience of it until you've been in it for an extended period of time. in my younger much more stupid days i swam across echo lake in northern California on a bet. not a big accomplishment by itself. but in 40 degree water it gave me a new appreciation for what happens to sailors in cold water. and the cold doesnt just go away when you get out or dry off. it takes alot of time and energy to warm back up.
fknra 3 days ago
MOB for 12 minutes in the water of Cap Town. Enough time for sharks to spread the word around.
theeconopiss 2 weeks ago
That video was massively enjoyable viewing and I am please and impressed you got your MOB back safely. Cheers for sharing
MrNarrative 2 weeks ago
Quite dangerous situation !
Freedomhongkong 3 weeks ago
Very serious situation. With a life jacket on, the MOB will probably lapse into an unconscious state within 30 to 40 minutes. So 12 minutes in that water temperature is certainly very serious.
TrygveRoberts 1 month ago 2
sorry I am a complete newbie: is sth like that considered a dangerous or serious situation? A 10 minutes search, is that normal, quick or fast? 10°C, for how long can you take that temperature until you get into trouble? thx for you help, fair wind
theglobalix 1 month ago
what a knock down ... had the a sail up and flying down wind .... pufff on !!!
JEEP5599 1 month ago
Trygve, fantastiese video en 'n groot les om te leer, soveel dinge kon skeef geloop het, bly jy het dit oorleef ou maat!
jovdm1 1 month ago
Great sailing and recovery Trygve. Had my first experience on board Sean's Pacer 27 on the Vaal today (good fun but wind disappeared...as always). Farid
crossbolt01 3 months ago
Pretty cool little boat....so the next obvious question is 'ow much are they and who sells them in the USA....
NutritionJoe 3 months ago
@NutritionJoe This boat is built in Cape Town, South Africa. It is a registered one design class. The manufacturers are Pacer Yachts (just Google them). Just a rough guide I would say about US$ 45,000 incl racing sails and road trailer. Lifting keel/removable rudder. Tows nicely. Contact the builders and import one in a 40 ft container. Should fit, no problem. PHRF rates 1.080 and IRC 1.054 (which sucks)
TrygveRoberts 3 months ago
Tryg, Giday mate-displaced Aussie living in Newport, RI. Thanks for the comments. What was true wind speed that day, I can recall no reference to same? Life lines issues based on my reading of ORC for offshore boats. Do you have different regs locally for sport boats? Also, having been washed of a 12 years ago and caught up in the sheets, my first response is can I hang onto a line---BUT in the 12 we were going , gee 9 knots, just rounded a mark and the "sheets" were 8 mm gal wire then cheers.
NutritionJoe 3 months ago
@NutritionJoe Wind speed started at 28 knots, built very quickly to upper 30's and peaked at 48 knots max gust. If you read the article on SA there is a graph of the wind speed that day and hour. Click on it and view full size.
TrygveRoberts 3 months ago
@NutritionJoe I've had loads of emails from people wanting more info on the boat. You can access it here pacer27.co.za
TrygveRoberts 3 months ago
Great video - great driving. Thank you for sharing and a lesson for everyone. This is us doing a similar thing: search Youtube 'Savage Sailing Team'. Like us, you appear to have crew weight too far forward which will not help rudder. Unlike us, you appear to be sailing quite high which, in that much breeze, is likely to end in a broach if the rudder trips out on a wave. Easy to be wise after the event of course. From a safety MOB perspective, anything you would do differently next time?
Kospictures 3 months ago
@Kospictures Thans for the kind words. i have seen your vid before. The J80 is quite a lot more stable than the Pacer 27. Boat design dictates (as you know). The Pacer has a very fine entry and the big, wide, chined stern. in flat water, we usually dont worry too much about pullling the bowman or mastman to sit behind the skipper, but once the waves get nasty, we will do that. The big masthead kite (68 sq.m) is a handfull for one guy, so we have two guys hauling on the sheet. Winch is too slow.
TrygveRoberts 3 months ago
@Kospictures OK, Here's the drill: Shout Man Overboard! Life ring and danbouy thrown at MOB; Hit the MOB button on GPS; one person points at MOB and does not take his eyes off him; If any difficulties or doubt about a successfulrecovery call a PAN-PAN emergency or a MAYDAY. Approach MOB on a fetch with main only. Park the boat to windward of victim. Use heel and width of boat to lever MOB back onboard. treat for hypothermia if needed. Cancel MAYDAY if MOB recovered successfully.
TrygveRoberts 3 months ago
great video. demonstrates clearly why you need to wear your lifejackets. Nice view of Table Mountain in the back. Thanks for posting this.
jnhspandau 3 months ago
muito bom!
ABELARDOFERRARINI 3 months ago
Clap!Clap!Clap! Very good end! I saw your comments on Sailing Anarchy, many lessons to learn. Excellent!! crew and boat.
Greetings from Mar del Plata Arg
barba61 3 months ago
Watch this multiple times. hit pause and then advance the video by placing cursor on the advance button on the video time line. Couple of thoughts. Life lines way too slack versus ISAF requirements- and no this wont stop what happened---just an observation. Cannot really tell who is the skipper until the boat pops up again. The last guy aft in white- closest to the camera is not I think. He seems to be main sheet guy. Broach starts at 1:31. MOB call is at 1:50, good reason to hold on to a line
NutritionJoe 3 months ago
@NutritionJoe Thanks for your comments.I was the helmsman. I am off camera - you can just see my cap at the bottom of the frame. We have our lifelines quite slack so we can hike the boat hard. You can see from my cap position that I was actually hiking quite far outboard - much further than any of the crew. In fact we had tightened the lifelines up quite a bit just the week before. local rules indicate that they may not touch the deck. We use different tension for the crew who hike up front.
TrygveRoberts 3 months ago
You and your crew are obviously decent sailors. Maybe add a dry suit or a wet suit to your sailing gear when you go out in that stuff. Nice write up on SA. I think anyone that pushes it has stories that scare the hell out of them. Keep it up.
sailor7312 3 months ago
Great crew work, all safe and having fun.
itxpurtsau 3 months ago
All crew followed correct procedure, however, perhaps approaching the MOB from a position more downwind so that the boat can come up into the breeze and slow right down next to the MOB. Reason for this is that the MOB may be injured and may require more time to get back on board which is difficult to do if the boat is still moving. All in all though, great procedure in the hailing, locating and pointing out of the MOB
element9977 3 months ago