life. People look at Christianity and decide they are "better" than it. They decide believing in something can't be that simple. For in itself, it is simple. Believe in Jesus Christ and you are saved. Don't look at your neighbor, for he is his own entity. Believe it for yourself. And Christianity can't breaks rules of science. God made science, how could what he make break the rules of the rules he made?
Did you even listen to what he said? Stop citing stupid bullshit and actually assess the argument in question. Noone has an ounce of interest in listening to your stupid shit if you're going to intentionally ignore everything that is on the table.
day because he created time itself. So, he does control time, but because he is also out of time, him being in the future does not mean that him being with us a week from now because he is outside of time mean that he is going to dictate what we do in that week between, for he is also with us then, but with us in the moment. So as you can see, just by this small statement, God can get a lot more complex than just deciding to believe in something because there is no other explanation for
created time, what he created can't restrict him. For, in life you can only restrict something you make. You can control a model you make, shape it as you wish, but it cannot shape you. And if God lives each day with us, as if he were really with us, he would be living with us right now. So in a sense he is with us right now, and with us tomorrow, and while we think of that as being in two places at once (which in a sense it is) it is more like he is taking time, out of time, to be with us each
about him? That would be like forcing someone (almost brainwashing) someone to know everything about you, in hopes that they would then like you (or in God's sense, not only like you, but also have you worship him, as he expects the people he created to do). So, God made us with free choice. But with that, God also knows everything, so how could we have free choice? Think of it like this, if we are in a set timeline, a straight line, and God created that time line. where would God be? If God
something, art (music, painting, you name it) they normal put a piece of themselves into that art work. So, if God created science, and we don't know everything about science, then naturally we don't know everything about God. I'm sure every one here would believe in God (whether they chose to worship him or not is another question) if they knew everything about him. But, if God wanted a relationship with us, a true relationship, then how could he create us with us knowing everything
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This guy makes a good argument with himself. What he is saying is just things that could easily contradict something he doesn't want to believe in. He is talking about things he himself does not know about, and he admits in the video he doesn't know everything about science. Christians are in the same boat. Not only do we not know everything about science, but we don't know everything about our God. If God created everything, then everything God made describes him. Just like if a human makes
Five minutes of research into Sathya Sai Baba's life will show you just how much of an idiot Sam Harris is for trying to compare him to Jesus. Sathya Sai Baba controls a huge amount of wealth in a very impoverished country; he has dozens of sexual abuse allegations against him; he has made false claims about his health and his wealth. Seriously, people? Miracles or not, Sathya Sai Baba has some serious roadblocks to being a spiritual god. Even Gandhi was a more spiritual man.
@eorembly Ought to make you wonder what would've come out about Jesus if Google and Wikipedia had existed during the lifetime of Jesus...don't you think? You'd at least hope that his teenage and early adult life would've been better documented or maybe even mentioned ONCE on Google had it existed circa 30AD.
Sam's comparison is just fine. You're missing his point altogether. Listen again and focus on the "miracle stories" portion.
@eorembly No, thats the entire reason Sam is making this comparison. A million people will testify that Sathya Sai Baba is a holy miracle worker, but you can't take random people's impressions who are already infatuated with a figure at face value. The same thing is with the story of Jesus, except it's also evolved and been manipulated over the past 2000 years, making it even *more* dubious. If Sathya can create this kind of persona in our day and age, how much easier would be in the years BC?
Ive concluded the accuracy of the gospels, or even the whole bible, does not matter too much. If the ultimate goal is to seek and find a similar Christ experience, using Gods spirit within as a guide.
If God wanted to make and preserve a perfect book, Im sure he could have. But he didnt. So...on to other uses for the bible
@Ellestian No, I was thinking a little more positive than that. Like viewing the Bible as a rich cultural library of a faith, rather than a religious constitution of sorts
I admire this man, he completely obliterates the silly stereotypes given to atheistic thinkers. He had his facts straight, he knows both sides of the story, he made no forceful claims, and most of all he was calm and civil.
I just saw the movie "limitless", and thought of sam harris. It's about a new superdrug. I'm not suggesting anything.. not that that would disappoint me much anyway.
@fox10 except of course that this is true for almost any religious body. (scientology, islam, mormons) And buddism is not a religion because they do not worship any god nor worship anybody (not even buddha), It is a lifestyle.
@crickettitties I'm mad at them because I went to a catholic school and didn't question religion until I learned about it. I had to read passage after passage from the bible and write multi-page reports on it. Then I get into the real world, say I'm atheist and they think they know more about religion and faith than I do. That's bullshit99% of the people who I meet who say they are religious don't even read more than a few pieces from the bible and 100% quote worthless retail verses.
@crickettitties great comment. religious people have always tried to push and or influence others with their unfounded and unproven delusional beliefs. I think more and more people are just getting sick and tired of all the religious bullshit .Since religion is a multi-billion dollar business it should be heavily taxed to help our economy.
No matter how good atheists thrash religious nonsense, the arguments won't bite.
Some people are so ignorant to opposing views, trying to get them to even reflect upon the argument is equal to traveling faster then the speed of light.
It's might be theoretically possible, but we are no way near making it happen.
@Dumass88 Well, Dumass this Dimbulb thinks you're wrong. I've been an atheist for 50 years and I'd say there are about half-a-dozen atheists who wouldn't be atheists if I hadn't made similar arguments to them. Of course, what is 6 amongst millions but I wasn't writing books or making speeches. Sam and others like him are doing a great service to point out the nonsense even the majority don't see the obvious, many will. And this is only the beginning, the times they are a-changin'.
@dimbulb23 Maybe your right, i myself don't feel it. I've been an atheist since i learned the term, i have never believed in any god.
I hope that the division between humans can be diminished thru braking down religious walls. I'd love to live in a world where humans are regarded as humans, not by race or religion.
When I became an atheist, I'm pretty sure I had never heard the word. I know if was a couplel years later that I read a banned short story by Mark Twain (Letters from the Earth) that clued me into the fact that I wasn't the only one.
I was just lucky to have believing bible belt parents who weren't really into going to church themselves and who assumed I'd just believe by some sort of holy osmosis as their other five children had.
@Dumass88 I remember when I was about 14 feeling guilty about not going to church when confronted by neighbors who hadn't seen me there. I really hated the getting up on Sunday morning so I decided to give myself the freedom to decide if it actually made sense. Just a little honest reflection and a couple of hours of TV evangelists was all it took. Once you open your eyes, you see. That was about 1959. I'm actually quite proud that I managed it on my own.
@ProskuneoXriston exactly how does he "demonstrate that he is ignorant"? By bringing evidence and reason into the equation? I guess that out of bounds in any discussion about religion.....silly me.
Harris gives some great generalities in an attempt to discredit the authenticity of Scripture. What he fails to evaluate in his research is the painstakingly tedious process Jewish Rabbi's underwent to copy the "original" manuscripts. This was a process that took years because of the desire for people to have accurate manuscripts to pass along throughout each generation. This was no small task and not taken lightly as you assume.
@sphereofinfluence247 He wasn't even referring to the Old Testament, he was only talking about the New Testament and, how it was written after Jesus was alive, and there are many Gospels that originally were considered divine, but were cast aside for whatever reason.
However it would be even easier to discredit the Old Testament.
The next step for a human civilization advancement & world peace is an intellectual & a technological one, which is the opposite of any religion and it's ideology.
Most or all of crestians, mouslimos and synagoguetes are hypocrites. Lets see an example. Today all of the crestian people are crestian because of baptism. How democratic is to baptise from day one a baby? Similar things are also exists for the other religions.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL "The arrogance is on part of those who would put their IRON AGE FAITHS in the place of genuine scientific ignorance." THANK YOU. And I will NEVER EVER forgive myself for not assisting this talk. I hate myself.
@arhyth Who said anything about hating God? The majority of atheists would never claim to hate the christian God any more than they would claim to hate Zeus; the emotion makes little sense in the given context.
@arhyth I apologize, I realized after commenting that you had specified that it's the "idea of God" which people hate. But even so I think it makes little sense in the context. I'm an atheist, and I don't believe there is a God because that's the conclusion I've come to after thinking about it; emotion plays no role.
@msalazarx Yes! And Pinker is a great addition too, but I mean... last year's with Dennet, Harris and Hitchens, Jerry Coyne and Dan Ariely... it was just... damn
Its interesting, I always see the highest rated comments on these kinds of video on Youtube being Atheistic in nature, and yet we only make up a teeny tiny fraction of the worlds population...Somethings gotta give. Time to come out of the closet, brothers and sisters, the world has lived under the dogmas of ancient books of mysticism for FAR too long.
Harris is right again, as he almost always is. Theists often deride those of us who reject the God claim as "arrogant" and accuse us of pretending to know it all. The reality is quite the opposite. It is the theists who claim to have the answers, and often use our ignorance of the details of the "Big Bang" as an opening to insert a theistic God.
He makes a very good point. Despite thousands of years of trying there is still zero credible evidence supporting the Gospels. Really if they were written about any other subject people would just laugh at them (many still do). Good to see the special privilege given to Christian mythology is beginning to disappear.
@OJB42 well, the special privelage was'nt really gave to them, they simply slaughtered the opposers. i honestly think that many christians wish that they would have not stopped killing atheist and other religious people because they would not have to think when we give them sound arguments against their total and utter bullshit beleifs
@myxoluser man, the effort of listening politely, for extended periods, to people like dinesh d'souza and rabbi shmuley without so much as slapping either of them would exhaust just about anyone
@Prophiscient one question i pose to christians is "do you believe in miracles and exorsisms?" they will ignore the exorsism and say yes to the miracles. it's wierd because according to the Bible, if you accept one (miracles), you invariably have to allow the other because both in the scriptures?
@Clifton100 Good point. There are lots of things like that like witchcraft and strange cures for diseases. You'll hear different arguments. Some people say the old testament just doesn't count or it was a different time back then, as if that would stand up. You'll also notice no two Christians agree on important details of the bible, like what happens if you die before accepting Christ, what happened to all the people who died and never heard about it and if it's possible to lose salvation.
"All the Energy that ever was still is continually changing within the eternal Energy of the Universe...for nothing can be created or destroyed according to our Law of Physics, and therefore we named all that Energy....God and soon, God became useful for scaring Peaceful co-existence into superstitious and territorial and carnivorous Homo Sapients.."
@acebpg your comment "i wanna meet this sati si baba guy. He sounds pretty awesome"
When someone asks you in great earnestness, where the Lord is to be found, do not try to dodge the question. Give them the answer that rises up to your tongue from your heart. Direct them. He is here in the Prashanthi Nilayam.
@acebpg your comment "i wanna meet this sati si baba guy. He sounds pretty awesome"
When someone asks you in great earnestness, where the Lord is to be found, do not try to dodge the question. Give them the answer that rises up to your tongue from your heart. Direct them. He is here in the Prashanthi Nilayam.
In the mathematical subfield of numerical analysis, interpolation is a method of constructing new data points within the range of a discrete set of known data points.
Decimated theism/Christianity? He doesn't even understand it. How can he deconstruct it. Not one of the "claims" he made has anything to do with my belief in Christ.
@munari1976 This only goes to show how horrible the effects of childhood indoctrination are. You believe in a myth about a flying zombie because some people who lived at least a whole generation later wrote a book about it. And you actually seem to be proud of your ability to hold such beliefs after listening to someone like Sam Harris. Unbelievable!
Oh well, thanks to your beliefs many other people have a nice long weekend now, so religion isn't entirely bad.
@Prophiscient You got all of that from my three lines of comment? I simply said that his points have nothing to do with what my faith is about. I do not believe in a literal translation of the bible. I do not believe in God because the Bible tells me so. As a Catholic, we have a tradition that can be traced throughout the centuries with thousands of texts and an unbroken line of popes that goes back to St. Peter. He is a great speaker, he makes good points, but they're not on point for me.
@munari1976 What do tradition and a series of popes have to do with believing in Jesus? The Hindus have a much older religious tradition, and the simple fact that many people have believed something doesn't mean that it's true. On the contrary even, because most people are just dumb herd animals who believe whatever they are told by 'popes' and other charlatans.
By the way, technicallt I still seem to be a Catholic myself, but I think that Catholicism is just hocus pocus for the little people.
@Prophiscient I never claimed it was a "proof" for Jesus. In another Harris video, he INSISTS in making belief in God a scientific argument. It is NOT a scientific argument. Most believers will admit that. Setting it up as such is building a straw man and then knocking it down. Belief in God comes down to faith. But, that does not mean that it is unreasonable. Don't confuse arguments that are against a concept for an argument that disproves a concept. They are quite different.
I'm afraid you have lost me here, because faith is by definition unreasonable. If it had anything to do with reasoning, it would be called logic, but religious faith comes down to simply ignoring all logic and stubbornly staying unreasonable. Religious teach people that "faith" is good and even necessary. I think that "faith" is committing intellectual suicide and cultivating a mental disorder. Unfortunately "faith" is usually already pumped into naive little minds at a young age...
No, faith is not by definition unreasonable. Perhaps by YOUR definition it is, but that is not the definition . Faith is the belief in something without proof. I can't speak to you in particular, but many people put faith in things without their being proof, or at least without seeking that proof. Take the moon landing. I think it happened, but has it been PROVEN? How can it? Unless a person is taken there, there is no PROOF. You must put faith in the ones presenting the info.
> "Take the moon landing. I think it happened, but has it been PROVEN? (...) there is no PROOF."
How much proof do you need? There is a mirror on the Moon that is still being used to reflect a laser beam, and if the Americans had faked that landing, the Russians would have claimed that they got there first.
It doesn't take "faith" to believe that the Moon landing took place, because there is nothing supernatural about it. Rockets can fly. Jewish zombies and virgin mothers don't.
Have you seen the mirrors? How do you KNOW the Russians would have claimed it? How do you know the Russians didn't believe the lie too? How do you know the Russians landed on the moon.
I don't believe any of that either, which makes it difficult to argue effectively, but I'm just pointing out that it is easy to sit and deny something and show how much proof is there really for certain things.
Now, how can you claim that God does not exist. How do you know?
@munari1976 > "Now, how can you claim that God does not exist?"
I don't claim to know that as a proven fact, but that is not a problem, because it's not my job to disprove the existence of everything that other people make up. There is no absolute certainty about anything. Maybe we don't even exist. Maybe we are just brains in a vat, or maybe we are all just part of The Matrix. In theory that's all possible, but I don't worry about, because in my "virtual" world that doesn't make any difference.
@munari1976 > "Now, how can you claim that God does not exist?" (2)
It's a cliché, but the burden of proof is on the one making the positive claim. You believe that there is a god, but you believe in an invisible god that could be hiding anywhere in the universe. I don't see that invisible god, and neither do you, so now the question is where you got you knowledge about that god.
My answer is simple: you only "know" God from the stories of other people who also heard stories from other people.
And my cliche response is, "how can you claim that something does not exist just because you cannot see it." In order to make a claim that something does not exist, you must claim infinite knowledge. Only in such a case can one make a definitive claim that something does not exist.
Now, you may say, I'm not claiming he does not exist, I'm just saying there is no proof. My "proof" is matter. For something to exist, it has to have an origin. What's the origin of an atom?
Now you may say that I just proved God's non-existence. I say not. Something created has a creator. If something exists, it came from somewhere. Reduce this back all the way to the beginning, you have to have an ultimate creator, the "unmoved mover," the "uncreated creator." If the being was created, it had a creator. The creator cannot have a creator. If he has a creator, then he is nt the creator, just another of the created. God is the uncreated creator.
Your response is indeed a cliché. Look up "first cause argument."
I am not saying that matter is proof. What I am saying is that "real" things must be detectible in the real world. If your God cannot be detected because He doesn't interact with the real (material) word. He might just as well not be there. You believe in that God, and you even believe that that old Jewish desert God comverted to Catholicism, so the question is how you know all that and why you believe that.
Could you please present your argument against "first cause argument?" There are multiple possible arguments, none of which I've found convincing.
Perhaps part of the problem is just a difference in base core beliefs. Do you believe there is a reason for you existence? Is there a purpose?
I don't think I'd say God converted to Catholicism. Catholicism is the religion by which I believe in God. Catholicism is fulfilled Judaism. The quick answer, it comes to faith.
This is why Sam Harris is my hero.
RyuHadokenMaster 1 month ago
How to reveal the stupidity of religion in 4 minutes
We evolved. Get over it.
northoforacle 2 months ago 4
988 likes? That's the most I've ever seen.
83alx 2 months ago
Concise, lucid, devastating.
William00048 2 months ago
Well, shit, now I have to worship Sathya Sai Baba.
Zaywex 2 months ago 3
life. People look at Christianity and decide they are "better" than it. They decide believing in something can't be that simple. For in itself, it is simple. Believe in Jesus Christ and you are saved. Don't look at your neighbor, for he is his own entity. Believe it for yourself. And Christianity can't breaks rules of science. God made science, how could what he make break the rules of the rules he made?
timmyy24 5 months ago
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Did you even listen to what he said? Stop citing stupid bullshit and actually assess the argument in question. Noone has an ounce of interest in listening to your stupid shit if you're going to intentionally ignore everything that is on the table.
HaliFins 4 months ago
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You are believe things for no reason and then extrapolate on it. You're dangerous.
Callirgos1 4 months ago 2
day because he created time itself. So, he does control time, but because he is also out of time, him being in the future does not mean that him being with us a week from now because he is outside of time mean that he is going to dictate what we do in that week between, for he is also with us then, but with us in the moment. So as you can see, just by this small statement, God can get a lot more complex than just deciding to believe in something because there is no other explanation for
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created time, what he created can't restrict him. For, in life you can only restrict something you make. You can control a model you make, shape it as you wish, but it cannot shape you. And if God lives each day with us, as if he were really with us, he would be living with us right now. So in a sense he is with us right now, and with us tomorrow, and while we think of that as being in two places at once (which in a sense it is) it is more like he is taking time, out of time, to be with us each
timmyy24 5 months ago
about him? That would be like forcing someone (almost brainwashing) someone to know everything about you, in hopes that they would then like you (or in God's sense, not only like you, but also have you worship him, as he expects the people he created to do). So, God made us with free choice. But with that, God also knows everything, so how could we have free choice? Think of it like this, if we are in a set timeline, a straight line, and God created that time line. where would God be? If God
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something, art (music, painting, you name it) they normal put a piece of themselves into that art work. So, if God created science, and we don't know everything about science, then naturally we don't know everything about God. I'm sure every one here would believe in God (whether they chose to worship him or not is another question) if they knew everything about him. But, if God wanted a relationship with us, a true relationship, then how could he create us with us knowing everything
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This guy makes a good argument with himself. What he is saying is just things that could easily contradict something he doesn't want to believe in. He is talking about things he himself does not know about, and he admits in the video he doesn't know everything about science. Christians are in the same boat. Not only do we not know everything about science, but we don't know everything about our God. If God created everything, then everything God made describes him. Just like if a human makes
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not a problem. just shit load of them.
532956148 6 months ago
"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people." Gregory House. House M.D.
KickbuttAsian 7 months ago 16
This is just gorgeous.
DaBoxMonsta 8 months ago
That closing line is just a boot heel on the face of christian bullshit.
Resenbrink 8 months ago
Sam Harris is starting to grow on me. Very well articulated argument!
38tyranny2 8 months ago
LOL Satya Sai baba is dead. Now what !
kaushiksays 9 months ago
@kaushiksays PS He died 4 days ago on April 24th.
kaushiksays 9 months ago
Yeah, we NEVER fought before religion
ChatterTheBox 9 months ago
20 christians had this video on mute
djbuzzed 9 months ago 6
Five minutes of research into Sathya Sai Baba's life will show you just how much of an idiot Sam Harris is for trying to compare him to Jesus. Sathya Sai Baba controls a huge amount of wealth in a very impoverished country; he has dozens of sexual abuse allegations against him; he has made false claims about his health and his wealth. Seriously, people? Miracles or not, Sathya Sai Baba has some serious roadblocks to being a spiritual god. Even Gandhi was a more spiritual man.
eorembly 9 months ago
@eorembly Ought to make you wonder what would've come out about Jesus if Google and Wikipedia had existed during the lifetime of Jesus...don't you think? You'd at least hope that his teenage and early adult life would've been better documented or maybe even mentioned ONCE on Google had it existed circa 30AD.
Sam's comparison is just fine. You're missing his point altogether. Listen again and focus on the "miracle stories" portion.
owenstc 9 months ago
@eorembly No, thats the entire reason Sam is making this comparison. A million people will testify that Sathya Sai Baba is a holy miracle worker, but you can't take random people's impressions who are already infatuated with a figure at face value. The same thing is with the story of Jesus, except it's also evolved and been manipulated over the past 2000 years, making it even *more* dubious. If Sathya can create this kind of persona in our day and age, how much easier would be in the years BC?
godonarod 9 months ago
Ive concluded the accuracy of the gospels, or even the whole bible, does not matter too much. If the ultimate goal is to seek and find a similar Christ experience, using Gods spirit within as a guide.
If God wanted to make and preserve a perfect book, Im sure he could have. But he didnt. So...on to other uses for the bible
PastorSoto777 9 months ago
@PastorSoto777
Looking for other uses for the Bible?
A door step. Table prop. Paper weight. Door stopper. Fire tinder.
Ellestian 9 months ago 4
@Ellestian No, I was thinking a little more positive than that. Like viewing the Bible as a rich cultural library of a faith, rather than a religious constitution of sorts
PastorSoto777 9 months ago
AND THATS HOW YOU DEBATE!!!
steve0nolan 9 months ago
Miracles in jesus time - heals the blind, miracles nowadays - someone finds their car keys...lol
TheJDorian 9 months ago 11
BAM!
hurricanelullaby 9 months ago
Sam Harris wins. Flawless Victory!
jackimusprime 9 months ago 4
Down ....
ZhaoRenWang 9 months ago
People like him give me faith........that there is rational thought out there.
OmeedAsadi 9 months ago 13
I admire this man, he completely obliterates the silly stereotypes given to atheistic thinkers. He had his facts straight, he knows both sides of the story, he made no forceful claims, and most of all he was calm and civil.
pwnalicious 9 months ago 76
Word.
robbiDun 9 months ago
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Now i know why David Bourbon described his book as full of "startling oversimplifications, exaggerations and elisions".
caysayfla 9 months ago
@caysayfla Care to point any of those out?
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I feel privileged to be able to see what was probably one of the more interesting portions of this debate. Thanks for posting!
wierdfirehydrant 9 months ago
I feel privileged to be able to see what was probably one of the more interesting portions of this debate. Thanks for posting!
wierdfirehydrant 9 months ago
I love facts. Thanks for posting this @sean doumas
metalbendermma 9 months ago
Notice how there is no one trying to defend god here.
architta 9 months ago
@architta I'm guessing they're all the "comment removed" and "removed because it had too many downvotes" comments.
ViciousBabySeal 9 months ago
Religion has a stronghold of the left side of the bell curve.
FloridaRaider 9 months ago 7
@FloridaRaider
I dunno; do hebrew mathematicians write their graphs right to left?
Fordi 9 months ago
I'm glad there are people like him :)
CupcakeFactoryLolita 9 months ago 4
Incoming crazy in 5...4...3..2..1...
lebeaux625 9 months ago 9
I just saw the movie "limitless", and thought of sam harris. It's about a new superdrug. I'm not suggesting anything.. not that that would disappoint me much anyway.
skorpen2 9 months ago
And yet people still believe in religious garbage.
jimjim 9 months ago
@fox10 except of course that this is true for almost any religious body. (scientology, islam, mormons) And buddism is not a religion because they do not worship any god nor worship anybody (not even buddha), It is a lifestyle.
avantar112 9 months ago
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A religion is just a set of rules based on a faith that a group follows. What buddhism is not is a theism.
Fordi 9 months ago
@crickettitties Took the words right out of my mouth!!!!
Ace88Sama 9 months ago
nailed it
savocado 9 months ago 5
I'm not mad at anyone. I feel bad for people who believe in god/gods.
link42792 9 months ago 6
OHHHHHHH SNAP!!!
gregarious24 9 months ago
@crickettitties I'm mad at them because I went to a catholic school and didn't question religion until I learned about it. I had to read passage after passage from the bible and write multi-page reports on it. Then I get into the real world, say I'm atheist and they think they know more about religion and faith than I do. That's bullshit99% of the people who I meet who say they are religious don't even read more than a few pieces from the bible and 100% quote worthless retail verses.
fkylw 9 months ago 3
Goodbye religion!
freethinkingroy 9 months ago 10
YES SAM HARRIS
remmshaft 9 months ago
I fucking love this man. That is all.
PhrAiLGuitarist 9 months ago 3
BUUUURRRRNNNNNN
Greeb17 9 months ago
Me Gusta.
pugwall2 9 months ago 7
@pugwall2 Me Gusta face
trublink 9 months ago 5
You had a good run religion, but now the internet is here to destroy you.
aegisgfx 9 months ago 1069
@aegisgfx damn right.
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@aegisgfx Nerds in mom's basement VS God of Abraham. Sounds epic.
SeracRavel 9 months ago
@aegisgfx awesome comment
RustyCyler 9 months ago 2
@aegisgfx i have never seen so manu upvotes on a comment in youtube. but then again, i have never seen so much truth either
littenburg 9 months ago 5
@aegisgfx i was the 666th commenter on this. I am Satan and i approve this video
jeffsal 9 months ago 6
@jeffsal loololololol
silicon43 9 months ago
If i were in the audience i would shout Boohya, and not care that it would seem not very intellectual
annata12 10 months ago 10
Religion gets PWNED so hard!!
DerrenBrown100 1 year ago 5
@crickettitties great comment. religious people have always tried to push and or influence others with their unfounded and unproven delusional beliefs. I think more and more people are just getting sick and tired of all the religious bullshit .Since religion is a multi-billion dollar business it should be heavily taxed to help our economy.
sciencevsreligion01 1 year ago 2
Sam Harris is SUCH an intellectual BAD_ASS!!! Love'm!!!
AROtotheN 1 year ago 4
Religious folk are terrified of knowing the truth about religion.
southernred8 1 year ago 6
@ProskuneoXriston Care to point out specifically where he demonstrates his ignorance.
dimbulb23 1 year ago
HE IS MAKING A GREAT POINT.
CHRISTIANS ARE FREAKING OUT NOW AND ARE ACTING CRAZY,CALLING PEOPLE NAMES AND SO FORTH BECAUSE THEIR BULLSHIT IS BEING EXPOSED,..,
bazzatt1 1 year ago
@bazzatt1 That said, caps lock, dude.
Fordi 9 months ago
@ProskuneoXriston What is the key issue which he is ignorant of?
jamesrands 1 year ago
@ProskuneoXriston your statement requires a few examples
elephunt78 1 year ago
It would be interesting to see how many turn to religion if they weren't told it to be true since day one.
Dumass88 1 year ago
No matter how good atheists thrash religious nonsense, the arguments won't bite.
Some people are so ignorant to opposing views, trying to get them to even reflect upon the argument is equal to traveling faster then the speed of light.
It's might be theoretically possible, but we are no way near making it happen.
Dumass88 1 year ago
@Dumass88 Well, Dumass this Dimbulb thinks you're wrong. I've been an atheist for 50 years and I'd say there are about half-a-dozen atheists who wouldn't be atheists if I hadn't made similar arguments to them. Of course, what is 6 amongst millions but I wasn't writing books or making speeches. Sam and others like him are doing a great service to point out the nonsense even the majority don't see the obvious, many will. And this is only the beginning, the times they are a-changin'.
dimbulb23 1 year ago 3
@dimbulb23 Maybe your right, i myself don't feel it. I've been an atheist since i learned the term, i have never believed in any god.
I hope that the division between humans can be diminished thru braking down religious walls. I'd love to live in a world where humans are regarded as humans, not by race or religion.
Dumass88 1 year ago 2
When I became an atheist, I'm pretty sure I had never heard the word. I know if was a couplel years later that I read a banned short story by Mark Twain (Letters from the Earth) that clued me into the fact that I wasn't the only one.
I was just lucky to have believing bible belt parents who weren't really into going to church themselves and who assumed I'd just believe by some sort of holy osmosis as their other five children had.
It didn't work.
dimbulb23 1 year ago 2
@dimbulb23 Guess i learned the term in social studies in grade-school, though i've always considered religions as mythology.
I wasn't raised to believe in anything that wasn't backed up by real evidence. I consider myself lucky to have been born in this environment.
Dumass88 1 year ago 3
@Dumass88 I remember when I was about 14 feeling guilty about not going to church when confronted by neighbors who hadn't seen me there. I really hated the getting up on Sunday morning so I decided to give myself the freedom to decide if it actually made sense. Just a little honest reflection and a couple of hours of TV evangelists was all it took. Once you open your eyes, you see. That was about 1959. I'm actually quite proud that I managed it on my own.
dimbulb23 1 year ago 6
@ProskuneoXriston exactly how does he "demonstrate that he is ignorant"? By bringing evidence and reason into the equation? I guess that out of bounds in any discussion about religion.....silly me.
azgman3113 1 year ago
@ProskuneoXriston Did you watch the video? Silly billy.
HWCWTD 1 year ago
I love how he exemplifies logic! Sam da man!
dwolfcoach 1 year ago
@ProskuneoXriston Prove it.
belodeau 1 year ago
is it just me or does sam sound kind of pissed? rightly so, the arguments presented are a joke. at any rate, he is completely right
chyckenfeet 1 year ago
Harris gives some great generalities in an attempt to discredit the authenticity of Scripture. What he fails to evaluate in his research is the painstakingly tedious process Jewish Rabbi's underwent to copy the "original" manuscripts. This was a process that took years because of the desire for people to have accurate manuscripts to pass along throughout each generation. This was no small task and not taken lightly as you assume.
sphereofinfluence247 1 year ago
@sphereofinfluence247 He wasn't even referring to the Old Testament, he was only talking about the New Testament and, how it was written after Jesus was alive, and there are many Gospels that originally were considered divine, but were cast aside for whatever reason.
However it would be even easier to discredit the Old Testament.
samusssbm85 1 year ago
@samusssbm85 - Good thing as a skeptic you have the burden of proof. :O)
sphereofinfluence247 1 year ago
check mate atheists...
eawilson08 1 year ago
@eawilson08 lolwhat?
SevenRiderAirForce 1 year ago
The next step for a human civilization advancement & world peace is an intellectual & a technological one, which is the opposite of any religion and it's ideology.
featheredmusic 1 year ago
Most or all of crestians, mouslimos and synagoguetes are hypocrites. Lets see an example. Today all of the crestian people are crestian because of baptism. How democratic is to baptise from day one a baby? Similar things are also exists for the other religions.
kalimeraHellas 1 year ago
3:16 - 3:42
Metaphysical integrity of all theisms destroyed.
Later.
CntrBrdr 1 year ago 2
Well done, Sam!
AbbeyNO 1 year ago
what could you possibly argue after that
licensedhobo 1 year ago
what an opening line!
waxybadger 1 year ago
NICE!
GeneralArrow 1 year ago
sam, rolled those guys up and smoked em. nuff said.
neilandbobbie 1 year ago 3
what's with the bruises around his eyes? angry christian mob? suicide puncher :) no srsly?
MateiAlexandruBogdan 1 year ago
I like to eat oranges.
Clifton100 1 year ago 4
This should be relabeled "How to Destroy Christianity in Four Minutes"
redchango 1 year ago 319
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL "The arrogance is on part of those who would put their IRON AGE FAITHS in the place of genuine scientific ignorance." THANK YOU. And I will NEVER EVER forgive myself for not assisting this talk. I hate myself.
marianiiina 1 year ago
I wonder why many people hate the idea of God if there is no such God at all.
arhyth 1 year ago
@arhyth I think you answered your own question very nicely. The IDEA of god.
lightfunk 1 year ago
@arhyth Who said anything about hating God? The majority of atheists would never claim to hate the christian God any more than they would claim to hate Zeus; the emotion makes little sense in the given context.
ericbrown86 1 year ago
@arhyth I apologize, I realized after commenting that you had specified that it's the "idea of God" which people hate. But even so I think it makes little sense in the context. I'm an atheist, and I don't believe there is a God because that's the conclusion I've come to after thinking about it; emotion plays no role.
ericbrown86 1 year ago
Dawkins is coming this year event in noviembre to Puebla yeah
msalazarx 1 year ago 2
@msalazarx Yes! And Pinker is a great addition too, but I mean... last year's with Dennet, Harris and Hitchens, Jerry Coyne and Dan Ariely... it was just... damn
marianiiina 1 year ago
Harry potter casting a spell = Witchcraft
Jesus casting a spell = Miracle
turkeyburgers 1 year ago 3
This video should be named "Sam Harris owns Christianity".
VesusSheist 1 year ago 3
@Prophiscient And if people can believe this stuff in 2010, it doesn't surprise me at all that they definitely believed it about 2000 years ago.
VesusSheist 1 year ago
Its interesting, I always see the highest rated comments on these kinds of video on Youtube being Atheistic in nature, and yet we only make up a teeny tiny fraction of the worlds population...Somethings gotta give. Time to come out of the closet, brothers and sisters, the world has lived under the dogmas of ancient books of mysticism for FAR too long.
tipoomaster 1 year ago
very intersting. thank you.
catandpiddle 1 year ago
damn, harris just fucked all chrisians with that speech
patrickledford420 1 year ago 5
Harris is right again, as he almost always is. Theists often deride those of us who reject the God claim as "arrogant" and accuse us of pretending to know it all. The reality is quite the opposite. It is the theists who claim to have the answers, and often use our ignorance of the details of the "Big Bang" as an opening to insert a theistic God.
DandAinTac 1 year ago 3
Sam Harris Epic Win
SHEW--> Glad I'm on the side of reason.
drche420 1 year ago
I'm so glad Christianity is a bunch of lies. Life would suck if the god of the bible was real.
SalSanMar3 1 year ago 5
Bam! I'm an atheist now. In less then 5 minutes!
redchango 1 year ago 4
He makes a very good point. Despite thousands of years of trying there is still zero credible evidence supporting the Gospels. Really if they were written about any other subject people would just laugh at them (many still do). Good to see the special privilege given to Christian mythology is beginning to disappear.
OJB42 1 year ago 4
@OJB42 well, the special privelage was'nt really gave to them, they simply slaughtered the opposers. i honestly think that many christians wish that they would have not stopped killing atheist and other religious people because they would not have to think when we give them sound arguments against their total and utter bullshit beleifs
patrickledford420 1 year ago
Very well spoken
questfortruth85 1 year ago 2
this is fuckin brilliant
element68 1 year ago 3
I like Sam, but it looks like he hadn't slept in days.
myxoluser 1 year ago
@myxoluser i know, he had serious bags under his eyes!
element68 1 year ago
@myxoluser man, the effort of listening politely, for extended periods, to people like dinesh d'souza and rabbi shmuley without so much as slapping either of them would exhaust just about anyone
PlanetBongoSan 1 year ago 2
@PlanetBongoSan
I agree its a 365 day a year job.
myxoluser 1 year ago
Really good argument on pointing out the UN-creditability of "Miracles".
kenshin304 1 year ago
this guy is a heavyweight.
kwiksteen 1 year ago 5
@Prophiscient one question i pose to christians is "do you believe in miracles and exorsisms?" they will ignore the exorsism and say yes to the miracles. it's wierd because according to the Bible, if you accept one (miracles), you invariably have to allow the other because both in the scriptures?
Clifton100 1 year ago
@Clifton100 Good point. There are lots of things like that like witchcraft and strange cures for diseases. You'll hear different arguments. Some people say the old testament just doesn't count or it was a different time back then, as if that would stand up. You'll also notice no two Christians agree on important details of the bible, like what happens if you die before accepting Christ, what happened to all the people who died and never heard about it and if it's possible to lose salvation.
tekproxy 1 year ago
That was awesome.
Serpent257 1 year ago
Awesome! This first time I really liked Sam Harris, Epic presentation!
l337pwnage 1 year ago
He lays waste to religion not ten seconds into this clip with a statement that all sane religious persons know is true.
11111011 1 year ago
When the lighting hits him a certain direction he looks similar to Will Arnett.
saaaammmmm 1 year ago
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Sam Harris, making the oh-so-sure believers not-so-sure.
Thrashaero 1 year ago 5
well...... christianity just died.. let's bury it and never look back.
billcozby 1 year ago 5
invisible friend... he aint there
aegisgfx 1 year ago
Is that a left over stage from the old star search set? Bizarre multi-colored seat audience seat covers as well.
great speech as always Sam.
jmosler9 1 year ago
I came. Twice.
AleximusMaximus 1 year ago
Epic pwnage. I love Harris.
mathmexican4234 1 year ago 2
"All the Energy that ever was still is continually changing within the eternal Energy of the Universe...for nothing can be created or destroyed according to our Law of Physics, and therefore we named all that Energy....God and soon, God became useful for scaring Peaceful co-existence into superstitious and territorial and carnivorous Homo Sapients.."
nanofiggis 1 year ago
Seeing the comments of the religious people on this page alone is proof enough for me there is no god. Wow.
bigfookingun 1 year ago 7
i wanna meet this sati si baba guy. He sounds pretty awesome
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When someone asks you in great earnestness, where the Lord is to be found, do not try to dodge the question. Give them the answer that rises up to your tongue from your heart. Direct them. He is here in the Prashanthi Nilayam.
- Bhagawan
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- Bhagawan
4bbc 11 months ago
He said "interpolation"?
That really isn't a word is it...
Forserean 1 year ago
@Forserean
In the mathematical subfield of numerical analysis, interpolation is a method of constructing new data points within the range of a discrete set of known data points.
Prophiscient 1 year ago
@Forserean Sure it is. It's when you're able to extrapolate a position or point in space based on surrounding data.
parttimehuman 1 year ago
Decimated theism/Christianity? He doesn't even understand it. How can he deconstruct it. Not one of the "claims" he made has anything to do with my belief in Christ.
Happy Easter!
munari1976 1 year ago
@munari1976 This only goes to show how horrible the effects of childhood indoctrination are. You believe in a myth about a flying zombie because some people who lived at least a whole generation later wrote a book about it. And you actually seem to be proud of your ability to hold such beliefs after listening to someone like Sam Harris. Unbelievable!
Oh well, thanks to your beliefs many other people have a nice long weekend now, so religion isn't entirely bad.
Prophiscient 1 year ago
@Prophiscient You got all of that from my three lines of comment? I simply said that his points have nothing to do with what my faith is about. I do not believe in a literal translation of the bible. I do not believe in God because the Bible tells me so. As a Catholic, we have a tradition that can be traced throughout the centuries with thousands of texts and an unbroken line of popes that goes back to St. Peter. He is a great speaker, he makes good points, but they're not on point for me.
munari1976 1 year ago
@munari1976 What do tradition and a series of popes have to do with believing in Jesus? The Hindus have a much older religious tradition, and the simple fact that many people have believed something doesn't mean that it's true. On the contrary even, because most people are just dumb herd animals who believe whatever they are told by 'popes' and other charlatans.
By the way, technicallt I still seem to be a Catholic myself, but I think that Catholicism is just hocus pocus for the little people.
Prophiscient 1 year ago
@Prophiscient I never claimed it was a "proof" for Jesus. In another Harris video, he INSISTS in making belief in God a scientific argument. It is NOT a scientific argument. Most believers will admit that. Setting it up as such is building a straw man and then knocking it down. Belief in God comes down to faith. But, that does not mean that it is unreasonable. Don't confuse arguments that are against a concept for an argument that disproves a concept. They are quite different.
munari1976 1 year ago
@munari1976
I'm afraid you have lost me here, because faith is by definition unreasonable. If it had anything to do with reasoning, it would be called logic, but religious faith comes down to simply ignoring all logic and stubbornly staying unreasonable. Religious teach people that "faith" is good and even necessary. I think that "faith" is committing intellectual suicide and cultivating a mental disorder. Unfortunately "faith" is usually already pumped into naive little minds at a young age...
Prophiscient 1 year ago
@Prophiscient
No, faith is not by definition unreasonable. Perhaps by YOUR definition it is, but that is not the definition . Faith is the belief in something without proof. I can't speak to you in particular, but many people put faith in things without their being proof, or at least without seeking that proof. Take the moon landing. I think it happened, but has it been PROVEN? How can it? Unless a person is taken there, there is no PROOF. You must put faith in the ones presenting the info.
munari1976 1 year ago
@munari1976
> "Take the moon landing. I think it happened, but has it been PROVEN? (...) there is no PROOF."
How much proof do you need? There is a mirror on the Moon that is still being used to reflect a laser beam, and if the Americans had faked that landing, the Russians would have claimed that they got there first.
It doesn't take "faith" to believe that the Moon landing took place, because there is nothing supernatural about it. Rockets can fly. Jewish zombies and virgin mothers don't.
Prophiscient 1 year ago
@Prophiscient
Have you seen the mirrors? How do you KNOW the Russians would have claimed it? How do you know the Russians didn't believe the lie too? How do you know the Russians landed on the moon.
I don't believe any of that either, which makes it difficult to argue effectively, but I'm just pointing out that it is easy to sit and deny something and show how much proof is there really for certain things.
Now, how can you claim that God does not exist. How do you know?
munari1976 1 year ago
@munari1976 > "Now, how can you claim that God does not exist?"
I don't claim to know that as a proven fact, but that is not a problem, because it's not my job to disprove the existence of everything that other people make up. There is no absolute certainty about anything. Maybe we don't even exist. Maybe we are just brains in a vat, or maybe we are all just part of The Matrix. In theory that's all possible, but I don't worry about, because in my "virtual" world that doesn't make any difference.
Prophiscient 1 year ago
@munari1976 > "Now, how can you claim that God does not exist?" (2)
It's a cliché, but the burden of proof is on the one making the positive claim. You believe that there is a god, but you believe in an invisible god that could be hiding anywhere in the universe. I don't see that invisible god, and neither do you, so now the question is where you got you knowledge about that god.
My answer is simple: you only "know" God from the stories of other people who also heard stories from other people.
Prophiscient 1 year ago
@Prophiscient
And my cliche response is, "how can you claim that something does not exist just because you cannot see it." In order to make a claim that something does not exist, you must claim infinite knowledge. Only in such a case can one make a definitive claim that something does not exist.
Now, you may say, I'm not claiming he does not exist, I'm just saying there is no proof. My "proof" is matter. For something to exist, it has to have an origin. What's the origin of an atom?
munari1976 1 year ago
Now you may say that I just proved God's non-existence. I say not. Something created has a creator. If something exists, it came from somewhere. Reduce this back all the way to the beginning, you have to have an ultimate creator, the "unmoved mover," the "uncreated creator." If the being was created, it had a creator. The creator cannot have a creator. If he has a creator, then he is nt the creator, just another of the created. God is the uncreated creator.
munari1976 1 year ago
@munari1976
Your response is indeed a cliché. Look up "first cause argument."
I am not saying that matter is proof. What I am saying is that "real" things must be detectible in the real world. If your God cannot be detected because He doesn't interact with the real (material) word. He might just as well not be there. You believe in that God, and you even believe that that old Jewish desert God comverted to Catholicism, so the question is how you know all that and why you believe that.
Prophiscient 1 year ago
@Prophiscient
Could you please present your argument against "first cause argument?" There are multiple possible arguments, none of which I've found convincing.
Perhaps part of the problem is just a difference in base core beliefs. Do you believe there is a reason for you existence? Is there a purpose?
I don't think I'd say God converted to Catholicism. Catholicism is the religion by which I believe in God. Catholicism is fulfilled Judaism. The quick answer, it comes to faith.
munari1976 1 year ago